ARSENAL LOW FEES – 5 YEARS IN THE MAKING

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I’m watching the England game while writing this post. I’ve just seen James Maddison get scissored over with a horrible challenge. I find international football so painful to watch. It’s such a massive risk so early on in the season – Gabriel M went off on 85 last night after an impact injury. Not great.

Gareth Southgate has fully embraced his comfort-blanket stage. He has Jordan Pickford in goal, a man who concedes like a sieve and has never played at a high level. He has Harry McGuire starting, a 31-year-old that was de-captained and hasn’t had a good game in 6 years. Jordan Henderson is still getting game time despite moving to another continent on a retirement contract.

This is a manager out of ideas – and a guy who doesn’t truly believe in high performance. Hopefully the rumors of him exiting after the Euros are true. Need to get us a bit of Pep Guardiola in the mix bringing some of that JdP electricity to international football.

In Arsenal news, Nico Pepe was finally sold, for £2.6m. I’m not sure he’s the worst Arsenal signing of all time, but he’s certainly in the top 3 for disappointment. I just can’t get over how a player can lose 186% of his value. £2.6m fits into £72m about 28 times. This is a disgustingly poor transfer.

Did I speak like that when we did the deal? No way. I thought we’d landed. He was the hottest player in France. The fee was massive, but we needed to do something big.

Little did I know – Lille was up to all sorts of dodgy dealings. A club built to create fees for agents. An exBarca contact there that our guy knew. Rumors that Everton were quoted a much lower price. The whole episode ended up smelling like rotten fish – made all the more painful to stomach because the player didn’t deliver. Napoli signed Oshimen for a massive fee and there are all sorts of problems with that one – but at least they landed a decent player.

Niko felt like the start of a new era, when in fact, it was the start of a horrible run under a disgraceful Football Director who ran the club into the ground, putting agents over club time and time again.

The player wasn’t terrible. He had a lot of output. But he lacked focus and discipline. He was built for counter-attacking football and we didn’t really play that game. Then his confidence went, his output dried up, he tanked at Nice last season, and in the end no one would pony up for a player who couldn’t deliver if the wages were £140k a week.

Trabzonspor have taken him on, I’d not be shocked to hear we were picking up some of his wages, there’s a nominal fee that has been put down… we are finally rid of a weight around our neck.

Still, it’s hard to be mad about anything right now. We kicked out the Football Director. We got Edu on a better track. We hired a world class coach. Now the whole club feels like it’s working towards the right things under a process that bangs.

So the clear-out is basically complete. The only two players left that don’t really hit the level are Mo Elneny and Cedric Soares. Mo will stay around because he’s good for the dressing room and doesn’t pick up much of a salary. We’re also well-equipped in midfield. Cedric might have been exited on a free if we didn’t have so many injuries. But overall, you can give the club a B+ for exiting players, but maybe a D for the fees we landed. Rob Holding for £2m really is poor – he’s worth much more than that.

A lot of this feels like a problem of our own making. Primark will never be able to sell a £1000 trenchcoat – because people associate them with budget clothing. Burberry lost control of their famous print pattern in the 90s and had to build a whole strategy around making it scarce again because the brand was not supposed to be worn by the masses. They went after people peddling fake goods and pulled all their licenses that landed their goods in cheap shops. Sears was a struggling retail brand famous for coupons, a big fancy exec from a tech company came in, tried to upscale the product, and killed the coupon book… big mistake, that wasn’t not what the market wanted, and things went south very fast. Why? Because once people get used to your market positioning, it’s hard to retrain them. We are a discount brand. Arsenal spent a lot of time post-Wenger/Emery giving players away… the market now knows if you wait long enough, you can get a coupon player at the end of the window. We are not in the premium game yet. Liverpool, City, and Chelsea certainly are.

One day…

Ok, short one today, listen to the latest podcast. It’s the premium goods. Pay up, right now, be part of the elite. No coupons here baby. x

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dSidstathopoulos

1st!

Logie Bear

Second?!

Jim Furnell

Henderson not on the same planet as Bakayo, Benny B ignored because he outed a shit coach. Maguire . . . having a decent cloggers centre half game. Great for Zinny to get a goal.

rollen

4th

Logie Bear

Just hoping we avoid injuries to any of our players. Crazy having a break in the season already!

Logie Bear

In other news, our women’s team are already out of their Champions League! Semi-finals last year, already out this season

rollen

Past glory is all mine, Pepe is big disappointment, he could easy be a WC player. Fees that we are getting are embarrassing, but Pedro is right on that one, we created that image in the market.

Hate international break.

china1

top 4

Logie Bear

Please take our Starboy off! And please don’t select him for the even more pointless friendly next week…!

Reggie

Southgate is such a poor manager

TallestTiz

Southgate is so clueless

How he stays on the job baffles me

MidwestGun

Yep.. like I said previous post.. Glad the Pepe era is over. Very disappointing. Just hope Havertz doesn’t end up being the sequel that nobody wanted. Like Speed 2.

MidwestGun

No way England shouldn’t have won that. Not sure what the hell the system was today. Maddison looked lost, Chilwell bad, Henderson useless.

Mudryk was awful.. though. Zinny was great until he ran out of gas.

Karsa

I was excited at the signing of Pepe, but was ultimately disappointed.

Lots of skill and a first class shot, but devoid of fight and with zero aggression. Makes Vieirra look like a drug fuelled berserker by comparison.

Chaz

Think Gareth has taken this team as far as he can. We have the best squad in the world.

Chaz

Havertz will make it at Arsenal… let’s not forget he was a midfield 8 and 10 at Leverkusen before becoming a 9 for Chelsea for 3 years. It’s a big change. He is quality… when has Germany consistently selected players who have no talent?

Let’s support him lads and if your at the Northbank or Clockend make that clear to your neighbour.

Belfast Gooner

@ TallestTiz Southgate is so clueless. How he stays on the job baffles me

It’s because he is happy to repeat the politically correct messages his FA bosses want to hear. They are happy to compromise on the ability of the manager as long as he toes the line and sticks to the script.

Rich

100% Southgate is an establishment shill, he’s the FA’s wet dream though.

Kadibia

No Chaz. France has the best squad in the world

dSidstathopoulos

Southgate is male, stale and loves ale

Matt B

Nice one Chaz

Savage

Surprised to see Pepe had 111 appearances – how many of those were genuinely world class performances?

Nigel Tufnel

Chaz will be proven right on Kai, and knows how to give support for the team.
Havertz success will make the majority here very wrong, but they should be happy to be that way.

MidwestGun

Might be time to say Germany are no longer a top 10 world football team.. Comically bad defending. Blunted attack. Can’t comment much about Kai as he has been a ghost.. touched the ball maybe 3 times. TT is playing well though for Japan at CB. Japan should be winning about 4-1. But only 2-1 at halftime.

Guns of Hackney

I’m watching England. But not those pussy fanny dicks on a football field but the real tough chaps doing rugby. Do yourself a favour, watch England v Argentina. It’s a goddam cracker.

Belfast Gooner

Germany currently losing 1-2 at home to Japan in their international friendly.

Looking at the line up chart, it seems Havertz is being played at centre forward.

Belfast Gooner

Sorry MidWest, I didn’t see your comment before I posted. No change on 55mins

Josip Skoblar

Germany were the best team in the world in the 70s and 80s. Now they are so poor. By the way, Havertz is paying as number 9 tonight.

Un

Sid is the no1 batty crease on this day in 2023

Un

Congrats mate
How does it feel
You’ve been plugging away for so long
Now you have arrived
Made up for ya mate

MidwestGun

No worries Belfast…. yep not looking good for Germany.. and they play France next. I almost feel sorry for them.

Chaz

I disagree Kadibia.. France are a great team, they have a great squad…. one of the top 4 in the world…. but they are not better than England man for man across the pitch…. as an Arsenal fan that watches Ben White week in and week out and England ain’t heavily affected without him demonstrates the levels England are right now… if we had a Pep or Tets at the helm I would expect back to back world cup and euros.

Un

Guns
Rugby team don’t kneel for socialism do they old mucka

Chaz

The culture, the training, the intensity, the tactics, it’s a huge change for Havertz… I would argue that his change is more demanding and challenging than Rice and Timber, tets has to reverse engineer his stagnant progress with Chelsea…. there is a player there… We need to get behind him… our confidence in the stadium will help.

Kadibia

Nice post Pedro. We’ve been bad at sales for since Wenger’s era. Heck!!! Liverpool bought Benteke for £32.5m in 2015 and sold him for £32m in 2016. Benteke!!!

How much did Fabregas, Nasri and Sanchez go for? Liverpool sold Suarez for 75m, Coutinho for 146m. We’ve never been great at selling

Belfast Gooner

I don’t feel sorry for them. France v Germany is a game I wish both sides would lose. It’s frustrating that England have the players capable of beating both, and even winning the WC. But they have a poor manager.

Greg

Pepe could cut in from the left at speed, had some fancy footwork and could nutmeg his man, Arjen Robben style. Arteta and English football require wide men to do the dirty work too, he never seemed too interested. Still amazing that he had a decent goal record and nobody would pay for him. Now he is some Game of Thrones Essos city for the rest of the prime of his career. Seemed like a nice guy and was well liked. This sounds like a funeral eulogy.

Belfast Gooner

Havertz has been subbed off.

MidwestGun

Belfast.. I said .. I almost feel sorry for them.. haha Almost. They are way down on quality players though.. And their defense is so bad. They still have to bring on old man Muller to try and save it these days. They will switch managers most likely not sure it will help.

MidwestGun

TT has been great,, must say… single handedly stopped at least 4 or 5 attacks.

Thorough

Watching Japan now and Tomiyasu looks a far better central defender than a full back.

Belfast Gooner

TT spent a lot, if not most, of his time at Bologna at left centre back. He’s good cover for Gabriel.

MidwestGun

Keep expecting Bastian Scweinsteiger , Toni Kroos and Phillip Lahm to run out there. … shouting enough is enough.

MidwestGun

Could have been about 8-1… 4-1 is actually catching a break.

Belfast Gooner

Germany 1 – 4 Japan.

Says it all.

Nigel Tufnel

Thorough I thought Tomiyasu looked really good when he came on for us the other day. I have given up on ever expecting a good final ball from him, but he can help in many other ways.

Josip Skoblar

I’m a great fan of Tomi.

Josip Skoblar

Hazard and De Gea are free agents. Crazy. Hazard was such a great player…

Josip Skoblar

Official: Nicolas Pépé leaves Arsenal on free transfer, contract termination now confirmed by club statement ⚪️🔴❌
Ivorian winger has joined Trabzonspor on short term deal, done and sealed since two days ago.
Free transfer!?

allezkev

Great performance by England, that’s the rugby union team.
Not interested in watching 90 mins of Southgate rubbish.

bacaryisgod

Josip

I think Pedro got his wires crossed on us getting a transfer fee. A free transfer makes the most sense considering Pepe refused to go to Saudi Arabia. The only question is if we had to eat any of his wages to add insult to injury.

Danny S

Southgate is literally the dullest man in football.

The players England have available atm we could be lighting tit up, but instead we are watching Henderson and Maguire.

englandsbest

On Pepe if you change the decor, most of the old furniture goes in the bin. The new stuff didn’t suit Pepe style.

Jonathan

Can you lose more than 100% of a value? Value is a finite number in this case, £72M. Going for a free is losing 100%.

Thorough

Nigel.
I think he’s just an old fashioned cebter back. He just stood there alike a wall as Germany kept knocking.

Nigel Tufnel

I think we need to stop obsessing over the Pepe in and out. I’ve been over him for about 2 years since it became clear he couldn’t play our new style. I shouldn’t have to go into detail, it should be obvious. People here were still calling for him to be brought back in 2 months ago! It’s insane. He didn’t fekking fit. Looking back, he wasn’t nearly as bad for us as Chelsea and United flops in production…so no need to cry or argue either way. Get used to the fact that all big clubs have expensive disappointments, and… Read more »

One

Something is clearly wrong with Man Utd… Maguire plays like a king for England and shows more confidence in an England shirt than when he’s wearing the Manure Jersey. I mean, he did a good job for England in my opinion. Heck, He even did more aerially than I expected and might have scored for England (give or take). He played cleanly and did his job. The only 1 player did better defensively (walker), and that’s because of the largesse of the attacks coming through Mudryk who he shutdown. At 33 with that much pace to go with a 22… Read more »

bacaryisgod

At this point, our reputation for selling is so bad that we should just dress it up like a sale.

For example, instead of letting a 100k player leave on a free, we should just announce a 5.2m sale and then pay his 5.2m wages directly to his new club without publicly announcing it. A lot less embarrassing and still legal (I think?!).

China1

‘Something is clear wrong with man Utd’ Everything 😀 My heart is really warmed to see that after making a bit of progress last season they don’t appear to be moving forwards this season The tactics are still basic. Their squad hasn’t improved much (hopefully that new CF flops). They’ve dropped points multiple times already. The manager is moaning. Sancho is moaning. Off the field the sale situation is a complete mess. Anthony is still trash and hasn’t kicked on. If they don’t turn the corner quickly I feel this season could go down the pan. Aside from how much… Read more »

China1

Re maguire yeah I agree He’s a dumpster fire player at Utd. Probably worse even than mustafi was for us But he isn’t for England. He’s been a really good CB consistently for England. He never deserves to make the team based on club form but you can’t argue that he justifies his selection in the national team itself Tbh I think at Utd his confidence is just shot to pieces and the club doesn’t suit him. If he’s gone to west ham or villa or a team like that I actually think he could do really well again. Much… Read more »

China1

Tomiyasu is one of the most underrated players in the PL He’s not world class but he’s an excellent and extremely versatile player. His problem is injuries. Nothing else If he gets a good run of games anywhere across the back line I expect him to play very well. In his first season he was excellent at RB with Ben white inside him (until he started getting injured). His ability, versatility and that he can play to whatever game plan the manager wants are invaluable as a squad player. We saw it last year in a couple of key games… Read more »

China1

Gotta say a big thank you to artedu after we suffered through Bellerin at RB for years that now we have white Tomiyasu and timber all for that position

Bellerin from 2020 onwards was absolutely painful to watch.

Nigel Tufnel

China, Guess you haven’t been reading Grove enough, the prevalent narrative here is that he’s a crock and we need to get rid. Maybe it’s just the dickhead cynics, but they are loud and frequent. I’m with you though… especially considering he held up all through last season including a busy world cup… Only the bad luck of a slip, twist, and impact on his knee took him out finally. A great player to have and versatile as anyone I can think of in the league. Even for a burst of energy off the bench, as his most recent sub… Read more »

kjelli

Good to have a football related article to read during the dull intl. break. It would be interesting to
add up all the shite signings we’ve made in the past from Jeffers to Chamrack to Pepe.. Or maybe not, rather look ahead to the future. Mistakes are part of the game..

dSidstathopoulos

German team was made great by Turks and East Germans

dSidstathopoulos

There are quality Japanese players in the Belgian league we should be scouting

dSidstathopoulos

Wataru Endo is a better option than Elneny

FoxInTheBox

‘ He was built for counter-attacking football and we didn’t really play that game. ’

Really? Pepe is a great counterattacking (ca) asset? Accepting Arsenal under Diet cannot ca, didn’t even Lille get to know this simple fact?

FoxInTheBox

While on this subject of wasting Pepe’s CA skills, goals Arsenal score from CAs in a decade are just a handful. Why so? Why the this Jesus goal is only the first CAs, in last 15 games?

The last great one i can remember was 2 years back – Martinelli ripping thru the Chelsea midfield.

Why so few? Why the fu@& so few???

Berg10kamp

Pepe did try, there were a few games after when he was out for a while, he played well and tracked back. Had a few decent showings. What happened? Got dropped again. Hardly subbed in anymore. Then he lost hope cos he worked hard on changing his game and arteta didn’t encourage him by giving him more chances. He should have started a few games and he would have hit form. Arteta wanted him to be like saka but he is a different player. Arteta is not fully blameless on this one, if he put more time and effort into… Read more »

Nigel Tufnel

Pepe been gone for like 2 years….
Who cares?

EdTheRed

when has Germany consistently selected players who have no talent?

The answer is now.

Freddie Ljungberg

Yeah, we signed Pepe for 72m that summer (where he was one of the hottest players in Europe btw) but we also signed Saliba for 27m, Martinelli for 6m and Tierney for 25m. Hard to argue that wasn’t one of our best windows ever. Martinelli is valued at 150m and Saliba can’t be far behind. Tierney has been brilliant for us injuries aside before we switched to an inverted lb. Pepe was a disappointment in the end but it could have ended differently if he got the chances players like Willian or Vieira got under Arteta. Still amazes me today… Read more »

Pierre

Fox in the box
“While on this subject of wasting Pepe’s CA skills, goals Arsenal score from CAs in a decade are just a handful. Why so? Why the this Jesus goal is only the first CAs, in last 15 games?”

Counter attacking football comes at a risk as losing the ball will immediately put the Counter attacking team under pressure، Arteta prefers possession with little risk، (cue the Counter attacking highlights from nigel/rich)، of course wenger was a manager who loved counter attacking football .

Pierre

As did Alex Ferguson

Pierre

Also to play counter attacking football you need someone in the side who can play the perfectly weighted ball (the killer ball I think they call it)

It is no coincidence that probably our last 2 counter attacking goals were last weekend v united and Martinelli’s goal away to villa were when Vieira was on the pitch ، the one player in our side who can play the killer ball consistently.

Un

KadibiaSeptember 9, 2023 21:08:25
Nice post Pedro. We’ve been bad at sales for since Wenger’s era. Heck!!! Liverpool bought Benteke for £32.5m in 2015 and sold him for £32m in 2016. Benteke

Kadibia

Sorry lad but that’s an extremely uninformed take
Wenger was an absolute monster for selling players at huge profit. Even in his last year
Sold Giroud and Walcott for about £45m combined

Sold rvp for £24m
Sold cesc and nasri for £60m at profit of 48m
Sold anelka for a world record 23.5m and overmars for 25m at a profit of 45m

Rich

Vieira is a killer, but his 2 assists were dependant on game state. In our 2-4 win at Villa we went 1-0 down, then 1-1, then 2-1 down, then 2-2. Game state meant we had the majority of the play, and Villa were looking to kill us with the counter, and almost did a couple of times, After Martinez own goal in the 93rd minute to make it 2-3, it was the first time Villa had to throw caution to the wind, they committed every player forward for a corner in the 98th minute, including the keeper….. We got it… Read more »

Rich

Vieira is a killer, but his 2 assists were dependant on game state. In our 2-4 win at Villa we went 1-0 down, then 1-1, then 2-1 down, then 2-2. Game state meant we had the majority of the play, and Villa were looking to kill us with the counter, and almost did a couple of times. After Martinez own goal in the 93rd minute to make it 2-3, it was the first time Villa had to throw caution to the wind, they committed every player forward for a corner in the 98th minute, including the keeper….. We got it… Read more »

Un

Rich

I’m not sure that vieira is only capable of changing games on the counter with open spaces to pass into
He probably the best in the squad at those passes on current evidence but against a side who comes to sit he can find passes around the box and is probably our best long range shooter along with Saka so is dangerous there too.

Hitman

Are sales are bad because we buy too many duds on inflated wages.
We’ll end up like Utd if not careful.
You can’t claim to lament the huge loss on Pepe but support the even more stupid risk taken on Havertz.
PS for £65m and highest wages the club has ever paid, I want a player they bangs now. Not one that needs TLC and time. We should have got a huge discount for a project.
Like I said bad buyers.

Markymark

Pierre – of course wenger was a manager who loved counter attacking football .- not in his second phase of management he didn’t. Tikka takka Barcelona lite was the overall game plan with continual criticism or at least parody of attempting to walk the ball into the net and actually being continually undone by counterattacking football. Athletico Madrid at the Emirates was a perfect case of this

Rich

Un

I never said Vieira was only capable of changing games with wide open spaces.

I was just replying to Pierre’s usual poorly thought out nonsense, in terms of how those 2 specific counter attacking goals came about and why.

Pierre

Markymark
“actually being continually undone by counterattacking football. Athletico Madrid at the Emirates was a perfect case of this”

A very poor example .

We were outdone by a schoolboy error from kosielny، nothing to do with counter attacking football from atletico.
We pulverised them that day with 28 shots at goal .

Josip Skoblar
englandsbest

Possession football or counter-attacking football? The answer is both. Which is what Arteta is aiming to achieve this season. Hence Rice, Havertz, Timber. (Shame about Timber.) I’d like to know why he loaned Tierney. Maybe he has a mid-term option to call him back?

Pierre

Rich Cast your mind back to liverpool/Arsenal last season، the score is 2-2 in the dying seconds of the game… Martinelli had time and space to pick his pass، saka was completely free in the liverpool half ، what happened next shows the importance of having a player who can play the killer ball with perfect timing and weight of pass…Martinelli overhit the pass and the golden chance for the winner was gone. Vieira in that position is as good as anyone in the league، it is not a skill you can learn ، you are born with that ability.… Read more »

Vickingz

There’s no way you’d look at the goals that pepe scored and understand why we got nothing for him. I really hope Arteta justifies his high handedness with EPL trophy because the players we have sold at give away prices and some that we have given away freely while we still pay their wages is unjustifiable, it’s crazy, really crazy.

Bob N16

Sid v Un
Rich v Pierre

Anyway…I was just luxuriating in the quality of our squad and the international teams they play for. In the last few days:

Two Brazilian caps(one on the bench)
Two English caps (two on the bench, would be three but for Southgate and his coaches)
That’s seven(+1) of our squad right there!

Saliba, TT, Zin, Odegaard, Havertz, Trossard, Kiwior all started (except for Saliba but it was for France after all) with Partey and Timber injured first choices.

not too shabby.

Bob N16

Vickingz- ‘There’s no way you’d look at the goals that pepe scored and understand why we got nothing for him.’ If that statement stands up, why did other clubs not see those same goals and think, ‘let;’s sign him up’. Last season on loan in France was Pepe’s chance to prove the doubters wrong. He failed to do that. Imagine if in any way approached Balogun’s stats- I think it would have been straightforward to get £15-20m for him. Do you think Arteta gets involved in transfers negotiations of outgoing players? If a player was an Arteta pick in the… Read more »

Rich

Pierre I’m not disagreeing with you about what Vieira’s qualities are. Just that the 2 assists you mentioned, we’re almost entirely dependant on game state…… That space only opened up for us once Villa + United had to take more risk, and committing more players forward. At no stage in those games did either team have any interest in sustain attacks or pressure in our half, until they had too. At Liverpool the roles were reversed, we played brilliantly and went 0-2 up. Then conceded a bad goal just before half time, Liverpool at home playing towards the Kop chasing… Read more »

Pierre

Creative and offensive players live for certain moments in games Vieira lives for the moment he picks the ball up in space and looks up and sees a runner. Martinelli lives for the moment when he a can run onto a through ball that breaks the defensive line for a one on one with the keeper. Saka loves for the moment when he can cut in on his left to curl the ball inside the far post. .Eddie lives for the moment when the ball is put into the corridor of uncertainty Jesus lives for the moment when he can… Read more »

Bob N16

There is strong, recent evidence that Vieira is a very effective player, coming on and changing games as a sub. I don’t recall him playing as a starter and being a major influence though. He’ll no doubt get some starts during ‘cup season’ and I hope we’ll start seeing him impact games earlier in matches. We still have an issue of midfield chemistry at the moment with Havertz’s ‘teething pains’. If Vieira comes in for Havertz it might be fine against a team who is up against the ropes for much of the time against us. If however, he gives… Read more »

Bob N16

Pierre, you make sense and then this:
‘Odegaard lives for the moment when he can run and run and run and run in a.vain attempt to press the ball’. Get a life!

Pierre

Bob
Get a sense of humour.

Un

Arteta killed Pepe’s career
Look at the goals and assists he registered
You telling me he couldn’t offer goals off the bench and change games? I think that Arteta just personally disliked him. It’s the only reason I can think of not utilizing such a potent final third player
Vieira has been far more wasteful and weaker off the ball yet he persevered with him and keeps giving him chances.
I’m really disappointed in Arteta with his treatment of Pepe

Rich

Arsenal concede an 87th minute equaliser at Anfield, after tidal waves of Liverpool second half pressure….. All the momentum is with Liverpool playing towards the Kop…. Pierre is then complaining that Arteta didn’t bring a very raw Vieira on to play a killer pass at that late stage if the game?…. I like Vieira, he’s incredibly technically gifted, and it’s certainly worth giving him time to develop, and learn the tactical requirements without the ball. Vieira is the guy you want to break down stubborn defences, not the guy you currently want to sit deep and defend for sustained periods.… Read more »

Bob N16

Pierre, I have a sense of humour that clearly doesn’t overlap with your attempts to amuse yourself and to wind up others.

Pierre

Rich

“Pierre is then complaining that Arteta didn’t bring a very raw Vieira on to play a killer pass at that late stage if the game?”

I think you’ll find that you have just gone into jackanory mode..
At least show quotes of me making such a complaint…you won’t because there isn’t any.

Un

Sid
People who were already here yes
People who are arriving hundreds of years after the British slave trade was abolished? Absolutely not
Did you know that there are more slaves in the world today than there was at the height of the slave trade 400 years ago?
Have word with the middle east about your grievances.
Fly out there and tell them in person at one of their markets, see how far you get
Make sure you bring a crash helmet though.

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