ARSENAL ROUND-UP

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As we enter Tuesday morning, the joy has barely settled on a MONSTER win; everything is good in the world.

Well, unless you are reading Manchester United Twitter. MS Paint has been dusted off and has new relevance as United fans seek to prove that, in actual fact, a pretty clear offside was onside. Erik ten Hag went into victim mode after the game and complained about literally everything. United fans don’t need an excuse to follow suit and so they did.

I’m not really that fussed about arguing the case. The technology spotted the offside, I’m generally about 95% confident in the little lines they draw, so the noise is basically a deflection tactic because the Dutch manager has a lot of mess on his plate this morning.

How can you spend that much money on players and not be able to compete away from home?

Why were there so few touches in our box?

Why are you trying to save a game with a defender you’ve humiliated and a 34 year old from another era?

Why is Jadon Sancho writing press statements about being dropped?

Why is EtH always making excuses – is that good for his team to hear?

How is the club going to deal with another very public domestic violence issue after Brazil took action?

Those are some pretty big problems to have heading into an international break.

A look around the post-win noise, there’s obviously less histrionics because we won a game. But I’ll maintain what I said after the game. Our defending was probably worse than it was against Fulham with our more familiar back 5, but no one noticed because we won. United managed to get double the xG of Fulham but only scored one goal. United didn’t get many touches in our box, but as a team, we gave up the ball cheaply in transition, and we didn’t do a great job for the Rashford goal. Bill Saliba didn’t cover himself in glory and obviously, Kai Havertz won’t like seeing that pass in the post-game analysis session.

When you boil it down to quality of chances and quality of chances conceded – the game worked out. We deserved to concede one goal based on xG and that happened – we deserved to score three goals and that’s what the xG was.

The performance wasn’t perfect, there are lots of bits to continue working on, but against a high-quality top 4 opposition, we did the business and now everyone feels great.

Kai Havertz has a lot of work to do over the break. He needs to get a meditation app, eat some ice cream, watch boxsets of friends, then shake off the victimhood and come back a new man after the break. Channel Arteta’s courtship approach to his wife – conquer your fear in goal like you’d conquer and awkward chat at the bar with a stranger.

*On that comment. It was not surprising to see the permanently offended part of Twitter jump on the comment to make inane cultural commentary over the insidious nature of the story. Firstly, why do we always have to assume the worst in society? Secondly, the phrasing was taken badly out of context because ‘conquistar’ in Spanish means to win the heart. Thirdly, I think everyone understood the context of what he was trying to say. Arteta obviously thinks one of the biggest achievements in his life was convincing his wife he was worthy of her love – he’s allowed to think that – to turn that into an HR violation or create the impression it was a neanderthal comment is disingenuous in the extreme.

Back to Kai…

I do think that because so many people are focused on the lack of output, they missed why Kai Havertz started – he was tactically the right option. He has very strong defensive abilities, he occupies defenders, he has very strong pressing abilities, and he gives you strength in the air. Not many people have noted that a lot of the problems we’ve had so far this season have come down the right. Kai Havertz is doing a good job securing the left. We’re missing a lot of the nearly moments as well and far too many people see those misses as forever stains on his career, vs the early greenshoots of a player who is going to give us more final action output than Granit Xhaka.

This is a man who has scored goals in the Champions League final – he’s not going to air shot again this season. The players will eventually work out how to find him from corners. They’ll learn his runs and find him earlier. I’m not really that worried about the output. This is a very young player by most standards and we need to give him time. Declan Rice has been a #6 for 4 years, he’s coming in after a Euro Cup win, adapting as a #6 isn’t going to be that tough. Kai is coming in from an extremely turbulent 2 years of players mostly as a back-up #9. Adapting to that #8 position will take time but it’ll come. Don’t write him off.

Tomiyasu didn’t get enough praise in my match review post for his brilliant performance coming in at right back. His game looked better, he moved around the pitch like he was copying Zinchenko, and he didn’t make any errors. We always forget that players that are coached well get better. He looks like he’s improving. The only thing lacking with him – as ever – is his availability. Our fullbacks outside Ben White don’t seem good for many games. Is that bad luck or the nature of that position?

Finally, Perry Groves has gone on the radio to talk about his battle with alcohol. It takes a big man to admit a problem like that. We love Perry, he’s been great on our podcast, we wish him all the best on his journey. Big love from everyone at Le Grove! x

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Wicked Willy

Matt

You think playing a new position is easier than playing a new league? He was a 10 at Leverkusen. Chelsea then clumsily played him as a 9. And now we are asking him to be an 8 in a JgP system. Give the guy a break for f*cks sake.

Josip Skoblar

It’s not Havertz’s transfer fee that matters (it’s not his decision), but his salary (which he pockets). When you are paid so much money to play football, it’s only fair to expect a player to be good on the pitch. Everyone can be momentarily out of form, but to be consistently mediocre for three years in the PL and have such a poor start with us is problematic. He may come good and the issue will be settled for good. In the meantime, the “show him love” business is frankly puerile. When I am in trouble at work, my colleagues… Read more »

Trilbilly

I think EtH’s problem with the goal being disallowed is that Gabby played Garnacho like a fiddle and very obviously checked himself by jumping onside. Utd seem to be in some form of perpetual crisis every season, warms the heart.

Bob N16

‘“show him love” business is frankly puerile. When I am in trouble at work, my colleagues do not particularly “show love” to me.’ Wow Josip, you’re in a hard arse workplace. Personally, if I see someone who is having a bad day I try and make a point of being supportive, similarly I appreciate and benefit from any support offered if I’m struggling for whatever reason. There is a big difference in slagging off say Maguire and having a go at one of your own. Being supportive is what supporters need to do to help the team, it’s not rocket… Read more »

local

On Kai, although I don’t support abuses, boos or angry shouting, it’s understandable that people groan when he misplaces a backpass or hits an air shot.

Most fans haven’t given up on him(some actually have and want him gone/sold), they just want him to earn his place as a starter.

When Partey comes back I wouldn’t be surprised if he is dropped to the bench with Rice taking over as no 8.

Bob N16

local,
I think with Cup games starting soon, they’ll be a chance to rotate a fair few players which will probably mean Havertz is in and out which could be of benefit, taking him out of the firing line without having to ‘drop’ him.

local

True.

Josip Skoblar

Bob N16
Maybe. 🙂
I wish Havertz well, and I want him to succeed at Arsenal because I want my club to win trophies and competitions. At the Emirates I never boo my players let alone insult them (even those I do not like or rate). Never ever. My point is that a footballer like him is paid an awful lot of money to play football, and that he cannot expect to be “loved” by the fans if he consistently plays badly. These are early days and he may eventually come good. Let’s hope so.

Dissenter

Wicked Willy After all the fighting talk about what you’re not going to settle for What are you really going to do the show your empty Havertz support? You can write all the lovely hopey dopey odes you want, go sing them with a megaphone in front of Havertz house….and it still won’t make a difference. Haverts needs to dig in, work off his socks, keep the support of his manager and maybe he’ll run into some luck. The only one who can turn it around is the player, not even the manager or fanbase. He’s a £65 million marquee… Read more »

Dissenter

Josip
‘ In the meantime, the “show him love” business is frankly puerile. When I am in trouble at work, my colleagues do not particularly “show love” to me.’

Exactly
Never heard Arteta tell the fans to show players like Pepe some love.
In the end, every player gets so many chances.
Havertz needs to keep working hard and take the chances that come his way.

The crowd that changed their minds about Xhaka will give him a chance so long as he keeps working hard.

FB

Xhaka always kept “working hard” but that never stopped the abuse. The fact was that he produced a stunning last season for us once relieved of some of his defensive duties by Thomas.

The elements within the crowd that “changed their minds” over Xhaka, will always find someone else to pick on with their vile abuse. Sadly.

Mr Serge

Nice one cyril I could not resist either glass up to an Arsenal stalwart
RIP Steve Powell

Dissenter

Actually one of the reason reason why Xhaka triumphed and had my respect all through was because he never stopped working hard, didn’t give a shit and he also know how to block out the nonsense.That too is Arteta;s mantra- “keep going and you shall conquer” At the end of the day, it’s the support of your friends, family, manager and your team mates that should lift you in any endeavor, not random people talking about ‘showing love” they don’t have to give. It’s also a myth that certain people hate Havertz. It’s not like he gave anyone the middle… Read more »

Madhu

Josip agree with you. Some us will loose jobs if we don’t perform at a level expected. Hell we don’t get wages if we don’t meet our targets. The love for player from fans goes both ways. The fans will surely give love when they see effort , passion and drive. Kai has to show these in ample amounts for fans to start connecting with him. Also I feel that the part of the frustration is to see players like ESR on bench while Kai gets chances.

Positive pete

Diss.So fundamentally you’re saying the Havertz abuse is only because he’s not working hard.Yet there been numerous posters on here who’ve provided stats to show he is?
Perhaps a little patience wouldn’t go amiss instead of crucifying him so early in his Arsenal career.Pepe had a lot longer to adjust before the ‘ boo boys’ were on his case.

Wicked Willy

Madhu

Kai ran more yards and won more duels than any other player in the first two matches and still he got grief. That is effort is it not? Or are you implying that the whole team are lacking effort?

Matt B

WW: I’m giving the guy a break — I ‘ve always reserved judgement on players till I’ve seem them play a lot. I don’t think making a judgement on a player after half a season playing in a league he’s played in for 3-years is unfair.

I haven’t judged him yet, so chill out ffs, as you say

Dissenter

Positive Pete
What I’m saying us that what/ he needs is to ignore all the noise from everywhere, enjoy the love of those that truly matter to him and work hard.
His luck will change
He came close last game, that penalty could have started his story.

My work hard approach is not about causation, it’s about getting out of the rut.
Got it now

jwl

“Manchester United shares have suffered their steepest single-day fall in price after a report claimed the Glazer family was considering a U-turn on plans to sell the club … the Mail on Sunday reported that the Glazers were holding out for a much higher bid, and potentially as much as £10bn. The report said the Glazers would wait until 2025 to sell the club, when increased television rights revenues and the expansion of the football World Cup could make the club appear more valuable.”

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2023/sep/06/manchester-united-shares-in-record-fall-after-report-of-sale-u-turn

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2023/sep/06/manchester-united-shares-in-record-fall-after-report-of-sale-u-turn

jwl

Havertz is just another failed chav at the moment, and football is very tribal, easy to see where the problem is. Also, the chav is keeping out esr, who a lot of us think is potentially the better player and Havertz is only being played because of our managers decision to buy player we didn’t need for a lot of money. Also, we remember what we looked like last season and now this season we cant defend 2-1 lead against 10 man Fulham. I wonder if Havertz criticism is just displaced criticism of our manager deciding to change system from… Read more »

Wicked Willy

JWL

Interesting point about displaced criticism. probs better to direct at Tets than our boy though. even though i disagree that its been a bad call given zinchenko and Timber absences, I have more sympathy for that view than getting on a new guys case. It also feels like he had a target on his back even before the season kicked off, which suggests that only some of it is displaced frustration.

Positive pete

The Rut as you put it Diss needs a bit of good fortune too.Comprende?

Cyril

Nice one Bob and Mr Serge.

jwl

Arsenal announce our potential player of the month, who gets your vote? I think Nketiah has been our best player in Aug. Havertz is not nominated so his critics are not only ones to notice his performance so far.

Ben White
Eddie Nketiah
William Saliba
Declan Rice

Bob N16

Either Declan or Eddie!

Dissenter

Positive Pete Yes, he needs some good fortune to come his way He needs a deflected shot to fall into his path to tap into an empty net But that will only happen if he keeps doing the basics right every time, keep making the runs and working hard for his team mates. He needs to lift up his head and tune out all the noise By noise I mean, the boo boys [if any exists right now ] and the folks cheering him as a loyal duty. All is noise. Arteta needs to stop making it seem like he’s… Read more »

jwl

WickedWilly – it just when I think of what I don’t like about Havertz it is probably more Arteta fault than they player’s. I never paid attn to Havertz before now but I find it weird that he doesn’t seem to have a position – he 8/10/false9 depending on who talking about him.

1970 Gooner

I hope Havertz comes good for us, but I always have doubts about any player who is a jack of all trades but master of none. What his best position is seems to be anyone’s guess!

jwl

Bob N16 – I think Rice will easily win fan vote this month but I would choose Nketiah or Saliba first.

Guns of Hackney

When Peter doesn’t give you lot something to follow, you fall apart.

Havertz should be a discussion. It’s over. We know it and Arteta knows it. He’ll keep playing him in the vain hope that he wins games. He won’t. Nothing he’s done in 300 career games says he will. He’s 25, not 18.

Let this be the end.

Markymark

Arteta I feel has a need to show his genius every now and again and I say that as someone who is committed to his project. We had Willian and hod knows how much emotional support he got , now we have Kai. At some point Kai will turn things around or will become a blame figure and rumours will start emanating out of the Colney rumour control. All the time our ESR sits in the reserves. A man who could be a local ( well Thornton Heath ) superstar. I did hear some rumours that Emile isn’t the brightest… Read more »

FB

JWL

“Havertz is just another failed chav at the moment, and football is very tribal, easy to see where the problem is. Also, the chav…….”

Guess if you keep thinking and referring to him as a Chav, it’s pretty obvious what your agenda is!

You boo’d Granit, didn’t you?

Positive pete

Yes Diss.100% agree with you on the “ Arteta needs to stop making it look like his on some constant audition”.play him ,when & IF needed only.Give him space.Ots not as if others can’t play the Eight.

jwl

Xhaka was a cockwomble, FB, and I’m glad he finally left but so far Havertz is a worse version of xhaka and I didn’t think that was possible.

Guns of Hackney

FB

Granit did the havada kadavra on his own fans. He deserved every second of his abuse.

Booing happens in the politest of circles so what do you think happens in front of 50,000 morons?

Play well, you get cheered. Act up, play poorly and you get the business. That’s acceptable.

Guns of Hackney

JWL is correct. This Havertz thing is an actual downgrade. And that’s hard to do. Granit was terrible but we’ve managed to find an even more terrible player.

Arsenal. Bantering since 2005.

WinOrDie

“Local September 6, 2023 10:31:51 On Kai, although I don’t support abuses, boos or angry shouting, it’s understandable that people groan when he misplaces a backpass or hits an air shot.Most fans haven’t given up on him(some actually have and want him gone/sold), they just want him to earn his place as a starter.When Partey comes back I wouldn’t be surprised if he is dropped to the bench with Rice taking over as no 8.” Its okay to criticize a little bit but Saka made an error that resulted into a goal (Fulham) and then he missed a good chance… Read more »

TheLegendaryDB106

Jwl

I’ll be voting for Eddie!!

He has had an incredible start to his season, capped of with an England call up.

He surely deserves to be player of the month!

Madhu

WW – Fair enough but end product also matters. when you see him passing back in teh center rather than pushing forward, or failing to take the chance against Man U the fans are going to get frustrated. The fact that he got opportunities also signifies that he is getting into the right positions but unable to get it right. He is lucky tat he is getting opportunities and the manager is calling for patience and love. Fans will be frustrated for now but once he starts turning it around they will shower love that’s how it works. Rarely we… Read more »

Guns of Hackney

Win or die

I wanted Saka sold as I think he’s peaked. We’ve just missed out on £130m maybe…maybe £200m if a Saudi team came in.

The first three games have shown me that Saka is on a steady decline.

FB

Hackers

Granit did the havada kadavra on his own fans. 🙂

I 100% supported him in giving the morons the finger

G

‘’ Hell we don’t get wages if we don’t meet our targets.’’

Maybe change jobs

Guns of Hackney

FB

No! You can’t do that. Granit did the unthinkable and in most teams, he would have been sold.

He wasn’t good.

AFC

Guns “We’ve managed to find an even more terrible player.Arsenal. “Bantering since 2005.” Will you quit the ‘we’, everyone knows you’re not a frigging Gooner….!!. From the ‘you Arsenal fans” to “Banter Club” to ‘Bantering since 2005’ it’s obvious you’re trolling this site. I see you got yet another prediction of an Arsenal defeat wrong, claiming Man Utd would win 3-1, so I do hope you are not a gambling man. You may be the reincarnation of Bamford. Like you he would abuse Arsenal at every opportunity, while every now and then switching to ‘we’ in order to cover what… Read more »

Positive pete

Gunz.Bantering since Birth.😉

jwl

TheLegendaryDB10 – I think Nketiah deserves it as well but it’s fan vote and im guessing many gooners going to vote Rice to welcome new guy.

G

‘’ wanted Saka sold as I think he’s peaked.’’

Yes we know, you’ve mentioned previously, unfortunately no one agrees with you

Guns of Hackney

G

Then everyone’s wrong. You’ll see.

Pierre

W willy “Kai ran more yards and won more duels than any other player in the first two matches” it is possible that Havertz is expending too much energy as he does always look knackered when the camera is on him. For me، an offensive player conserving energy for when they are on the ball is essential as tiredness can contribute to a poor first touch ، sloppy passing or a mistimed shot at goal.. Thierry Henry was the master at conserving energy to allow him to use his electric pace when we gained possession of the football، I’m not… Read more »

Guns of Hackney

Where is everyone? Surely not working as wilko has closed down.

I’m kidding. My local wilko was lovely and had wonderful people in. Very sad day for them.

Northbanker

We have one job as fans and that’s to get behind the team and encourage the players

There’s no place for the acid and spite shown by trolls such as Jwl and GoH, who still somehow fool themselves into thinking they’re fans.

Workplaces won’t tolerate their behaviour anymore and neither should supporter fan bases and

Northbanker

No ‘and’

G

Guns were u right about santi and Jack

local

“Its okay to criticize a little bit but Saka made an error that resulted into a goal (Fulham) and then he missed a good chance against Manure but all the criticism online about 90% is on Kai. WHY? – WinOrDie I said a couple of days ago that Saka did play a part in both the goals scored by Fulham. I also think he should have done better on that sitter against UTD. I also think he needs to work on penalties as well as defensive work and clearly mentioned that some of the technical players(Ode, Saka, Zinc, Partey) in… Read more »

local

People have also(correctly) criticised Rice for losing Palhinha on that corner and not getting tight to him(saka as well).

Kai gets a lot of stick probably cause him and Rice have same amount of experience and both are new to the system, but Rice has been more effective(1 goal already) than Kai although the latter seems more technical than the former.

Guns of Hackney

G

Let’s look shall we.

Peanut face. 129 games and 29 goals. 1/4. Okay but not great. Two FA cups. Whatever.

Injury prone. 197 games and 14 goals. 1/14. Dreadful. Never on a pitch while Arsenal won something.

Sorry. I don’t get it. It was a dire period for Arsenal and if Carzorla was in a different era, maybe I’d rate him higher than I do.

Whatever metric you use for Wilshere, he’s was injured his whole career and ergo, not a legend.

G

Not saying Jack was a legend, not saying santi is a legend but did you rate them as footballers
Yes or answer really

Zacharse

Josip SkoblarSeptember 6, 2023 09:48:46
He may come good and the issue will be settled for good. In the meantime, the “show him love” business is frankly puerile. When I am in trouble at work, my colleagues do not particularly “show love” to me.

on what planet are you a ‘colleague’ of Mr Havertz? what a crap analogy

WinOrDie

local I am trying to work out why there is an imbalance in criticisms of arsenal players(Kai vs rest of arsenal players) from different groups( TV presenters, Youtube content creators, Arsenal Fans) . Motive: Tv presenters- Well, the easy route to analyze the game is to find what Kai did not do right and package it as the main issue. God knows what they would say about Kai if arsenal lost the Match against Manure. Another reason would be that most of them are former players from rival teams, so trying to knock down Kai’s confidence works fine. YouTube Content… Read more »

local

WinOrDie

While all or ome of that could be true, it’s on Kai to change the narrative and I hope he does.

Josip Skoblar

´Winning is just one day, a reputation can last a lifetime. Winning is an important thing, but to have your own style, to have people copy you, to admire you, that is the greatest gift.’

— Johan Cruyff

So true. Cruyff, ultimate football legend.

Zacharse

“Cavallin, a social media influencer, also alleges she was punched in the chest by Antony, which caused damage to a silicone breast implant which then required corrective surgery back in Brazil. The matter has been reported to police in São Paulo and in Manchester.”

he seems destined for his own song… what was the lukaku song again?

raptora

“Thierry has been magnificent for me,” Nketiah revealed. “I was able to be coached by him as a first-year scholar at 16, it was amazing, one of my best and most enjoyable seasons, being able to bounce ideas off him and he gave me a lot of confidence and still to this day when I see him he is still supportive and still really helpful.” Asked for the best piece of advice he received from the France World Cup winner, whose old number 14 shirt he now wears, Nketiah replied: “Probably just to believe in yourself. “He came in and… Read more »

Guns of Hackney

G

I don’t rate either. They wouldn’t make the bench in an all time squad. Not close.

Cyril

I only occasionally post on here . It is popular so it’s a platform as well today for me to point out some very important past which shaped the 17 years. I wanted to say that I remember in around the early 90’s watching a Channel 4 footy programme on a Sunday presented by Richardson – about Serie A. Anyway – I was illuminated by Dennis Bergkamp who played for Inter. His first touch was blessed – yet he struggled in truth by comparison in the best league in the world – circa see [AC Milan] domination – post 88… Read more »

Karsa

I’m surprised to find that so many posters are employed in unsupportive work environments.

Thought that went out decades ago.

Zacharse

jwlSeptember 6, 2023 12:06:12
Also, we remember what we looked like last season and now this season we cant defend 2-1 lead against 10 man Fulham.

i remember 3 draws and 2 losses in 7 games. part of what’s happening this season is putting to bed what happened last season, not fucking glorifying it. team has quite clearly not gelled yet. this happens when 4 new big personalities come into a dressing room/starting xi as well as after suffering a crushing disappointment and there is no clear cut solution other than to play through it until the vibes return.

Wicked Willy

“so far Havertz is a worse version of xhaka and I didn’t think that was possible.” Statistically this doesn’t hold water. Scott Willis at Cannon stats posted last season Granit chart versus Kai, and Kai’s is superior even though he’s playing massively within himself. I do think JWL has a point. The lack of traditional positional definition is working against, as is his seemingly languid style. It reminds me of Thomas Mueller, who I could never quite work out what he is, but he certainly was effective! If Chelsea hadn’t have Kerbed his development, I think Havertz would be very… Read more »

Zacharse

i’m hoping the rice winner signals the end of the settling in phase and the beginning of the next one.

plenty to look forward to in fabio veira, eddie, more of gab jesus on the right- and fucking declan’s world class clutch moments- a real competitor.

Wicked Willy

Q: Will Declan Rice be an even bigger midfield legend for our football club than PV4? I really think he can match him, and possibly even surpass him. We yearned for so many years to have a Paddy replacement, and I finally think we’ve got him, and one that doesn’t need a Petit or Gilberto to back him.

It’s early days, but it’s ducking exciting is it not chaps?

EdTheRed

Love is a two way street, at least that’s what I’ve been told. So how about Arteta showing some love to ESR?

EdTheRed

Northbanker I think you’re going too far with all that “thought police” stuff. Things that GoH writes are exactly how conversations about Arsenal went in pubs before hipsters and millenials took over the fanbase. If you don’t remember everyone thinking Wiltord was utter shit in 2001, then you haven’t been there. But I’m sure you have, at least your nickname on LeGrove suggests that. Remember angry shouts of “Sort it out Wenger” at the old stadium when things were not going as expected? I’m sure you do. Controlling the the way fanbase thinks is utter waste of time and also… Read more »

Tony2

Replying to Marky M. Social media has given rise to keyboard warrior’s who can vent their spleen from the safety of their own home or office. Point I’m clumsily making.. I was there for Willie Youngs debut for us (v ipswich) . Took the short journey down the 7 sisters. Crowd most supported of our very average team. Willie comes out of the tunnel to a chorus of boos and chants of ” eyes of blue 6″2 Willie young’s a fu****g j**” we lose 1 4 Eric Gates Alan Brazil et Al ran us ragged and big Willie concedes a… Read more »

G

‘’ GI don’t rate either. They wouldn’t make the bench in an all time squad. ‘’

Wow if a neutral fan said that I’d tell him he knows fuck all about football.. coming from an Arsenal fan I’m speechless

EdTheRed

Wicked Willy

A: Yes. The energy, the will to win, never die attitude, Rice atm can be compared to Vieira, 100%.

AFC Forever

Wicked Willy “It’s early days, but it’s ducking exciting is it not chaps?” Absolutely! To echo Bob’s earlier sentiments; it is for some of us. Rice is top quality. He will become a huge player for Arsenal especially as he’s going to develop with all the young players who have been happily signing new contracts. We have the youngest squad in the PL, Chelsea the biggest and Man Utd have the highest wage bill in the universe and a load of bang average players. Manchester City are cheats who bought their success by cooking the books, Liverpool have uncertainty over… Read more »

Wicked Willy

Hahaha. Love it

TheLegendaryDB106

WW

Q: Will Declan Rice be an even bigger midfield legend for our football club than PV4?

I actually believe he can. He already has the mentality and it looks like he is getting a grips with Arteta’s system which shows his intelligence.

I am being really early about calling him our captain but I just know he will at some point further down the next seasons.

Exciting times ahead with Declan in our MF!!!

TheBayingMob

“MS Paint has been dusted off and has new relevance as United fans seek to prove that, in actual fact, a pretty clear offside was onside.”

hahahahaha ,,,,

Thorough

I think Havertz money could have been well spent. I absolutely wanted Dani Olmo and his release clause is even way cheaper. But what’s done is done.

Funny enough I’ve always liked Kai everytime I’ve watched him. He was poor at Chelsea, everybody is poor at Chelsea actually. Even though Kai may never be the pillar upon which we build this team, I’m 100% sure he’ll be winning us points in no time. Just don’t put so much pressure on him by playing him game after game after ge when it’s obviously not clicking just yet.

Montana Gooner

Thanks Nigel, and thanks for posting those Scott Willis comparison stats. Also, again well said Dissenter. I’d point out the progressive passing stats in the Xhaka comparison. This was a new development in Granit’s game last year that also came from his new position/role. He became far more progressive. His ability to make this change was due to two things beyond the new positional role: familiarity through training (knowing where someone will be without looking) and trust in your teammates. You need to have that trust to do what Partey does do well, which is always look to push the… Read more »

andy1886

Rice has been demonstrating just what many of us expected but a few didn’t initially recognise. Yes, he’s a great footballer, but more than that his character will be absolutely massive for us. Just the sort of drive and aggression that we’ve been missing for years. With the very best it’s always about more than just pure talent.

TR7

Wicked Willy “You think playing a new position is easier than playing a new league? He was a 10 at Leverkusen. Chelsea then clumsily played him as a 9. And now we are asking him to be an 8 in a JgP system. Give the guy a break for f*cks sake.” Trosaard came from a small team and hit the ground running at Arsenal even as he was played in various positions by Arteta. You play him anywhere behind the striker he will make a difference for us. In this quest to show love to Harvertz injustice is being done… Read more »

TR7

Can people tell me what is it about Harvertz that makes him better than ESR and Trosaard or more deserving to get opportunities ahead of them ?

I would much rather our own ESR got chance ahead of Harvertz to prove himself. And honestly I think both ESR and Trosaard are better on the ball players and overall better players than Harvertz.

TheLegendaryDB106

+1 to your question TR7.

I am also very curious as to why Arteta thinks that Havertz should be pushed ahead of ESR.

It really feels like Arteta is not sure how to use him.

Hopefully, we’ll see him in FA Cup games, or maybe some CL games, where he can really show is what he can do.

My worry is that the lack of game time is not playing in his favour at all.

I hope I can prove Arteta wrong and give him.an even bigger headache in MF.

Wicked Willy

TR7

Brighton is one of the most settled and structured systems in the league

EdTheRed

I find it hard to express my love to someone who were shit at their job this week. And for that they got paid 6x my yearly salary. Fuck that.

To slightly misquote Portishead: “Give me a reason to love you…like Declan did.”

Montana Gooner

Ed, I hear you on ESR. I think we will see him feature at least in the Cup and possibly UCL, but he needs to grab his chance like Eddie.

Speaking of UCL, I’ve watched the PSV qualifier games and I think they will be a real pain in the arse for us. This next run of games looks daunting to say the least.

EdTheRed

Let’s imagine ESR was playing first four games instead of Havertz, and he gave exactly the same performances as Havertz did, missing ball and all.

What would Le Grovers make of that? What would excuses be, if any?

Guns of Hackney

I wouldn’t say Eddie has grabbed his chance. He’s still doesn’t look like he could trap a bag of sand most games but I like his energy levels. He also seems to have gusto and spunk. He doesn’t look like a quitter.

Also, G.

Name your all time Arsenal 11 and 5 subs. Go on son. I’ll do mine.

Guns of Hackney

My starting all time 11

Seaman

Lauren
Adams
Campbell
Winterburn

Viera
Brady
Pires
Gilberto

Bergkamp
Henry

I’ll work on my subs.

Adams

Havertz may have not hit the ground running but he is better than smith rowe. Their career speak for themselves.

Rich

Ed If ESR had some rust after playing almost no football for 18 months, in a new position, I’d be fighting his corner, but he should have left this summer for the sake of his own career. He’s currently behind Martinelli, Nelson, Trossard on the left. Ødegaard owns the right 8, and Vieira has been the preferred alternative. He’s been overlooked for Havertz, Trossard, Vieira, Rice, at left 8. Our schedule picks up after the internationals, and I like the player, I just don’t see where his game time is coming from without significant absences. The longer this goes on,… Read more »

Guns of Hackney

And yes, apart from Brady, all 1992 onwards but only because I believe these were the best players we’ve had at the club. No nostalgia. Pure facts.

I’d love Jennings in there but seaman was better.
Keown
O Leary
McKlintok
Bould

All greats but not as good as Adams and Campbell.

Ian Wright will make the bench.

Tough job.

Guns of Hackney

Swapping Nigel for Ashley.

Montana Gooner

I love ESR, but his performances in preseason didn’t look like he was breaking into the lineup to me.

TR7

“He’s currently behind Martinelli, Nelson, Trossard on the left.”

He is behind them only because Arteta has put him behind them for reasons known only to him. It’s not like he is a lesser player than any of them. It’s all about who gets the opportunity.

TR7

“Brighton is one of the most settled and structured systems in the league”

Cucurella, Caiceido and Bisoumma came from the same system but didn’t hit the ground running.

Trosaard is technically so good that he could straight away link up well with others as well as create chances of his own.

AFC Forever

TR7

“And let’s be frank the only reason you are making a rallying cry for Harvertz is because Arteta has thrown his weight behind him.”

The absolute irony of that comment…..!

I’m not sure Willy deserved to be insulted mate, he was politely presenting his own opinion.

Cyril

G OF H – excellent stuff – I might Petit in the middle with Vieira. What a player – there was a stat that when Wenger was trying to manage the ‘head scratching sending offs’ – and remember the sporn of PGMOL – which became that was ofcourse refs from er- shall we say ‘about’. Anyway there is a stat floating about that we only lost one or two league games where either Petit or Vieira wasn’t sent off. EEEEERRRR- well they worked that out quickly and ofcourse it was a RED to one or the other in our defeats.… Read more »