DECLAN KILLS UNITED IN FERGIE TIME

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Call the emergency services, my EKG is still off the scale, and the game has been finished 12 hours. Arsenal took a cagey game against United into a marathon of overtime and put EtH to the sword with two MASSIVE goals.

It’s hard to know where to start – but we should address the bullshit narratives that have been peddled all week. Just flick through your twitter feed or your group chats and remember all those characters that have spent the last 5 days complaining about the world caving in because we drew against Fulham. How are Arsenal fans so damaged? What did those cold nights during the banter years do to them? How can putting Thomas Partey at right back trigger a reaction so bad I had to keep double checking we didn’t lose that game?

Who knows… but those people were ready with the knives out when Garnacho broke through on goal in the 87th minute.

Kai ain’t right…

Arteta has regressed the side…

United are going to surpass us this season…

WE SHOULD NOT HAVE SOLD HOLDINHO!

Then BANG… those pre-written obituary notes went in the bin and all the carry-on last week was forgotten and brushed under 180 pivot carpet with platitudes like: ‘well, he picked the team I wanted.’

Mikel Arteta tactically outsmarted EtH, again. The Dutch manager offered up the ultimate sign of respect by doing absolutely nothing adventurous all game. He parked the bus, instructed his team to waste time, and he thought his bland plan had worked when his sub broke free of the offside trap late on.

It wasn’t to be.

Garnacho was played offside by some incisive body-shifting from Gabriel.

Arsenal made the 12 minutes of added time count with two brilliant goals.

But let’s talk about the shape of the game because it’s important to remind everyone how good we were. The first half was totally dominant from Arsenal. We did well in the duels, we hoovered up second balls, and we kept United looking very ordinary. Our defenders stopped United’s main attackers from turning with aggressive pressing and hustling.

Gabriel was welcomed back into the side and he showed no signs of being upset about missing the first three games. He kept Antony at bay, not allowing him to fidget spin or cause other problems.

We were very buttoned up, but United snapped at us first the only way they know how: Marcus Rashford, in transition, with Aaron Ramsdale conceding from the first shot on target in the game for the 7th time in 2023. No team concedes more first-time shots in the league than Arsenal. The super annoying part about the goal was the error came from Kai Havertz sloppy pass. He looked upset, Saliba comforting him. Those feeling were likely exacerbated by his air shot early on when he had time and space. When it rains, it pours. No amount of off-the-ball work or defensive stability down the left (noting that all our goals are leaking down the right) will assuage some fans from planting a tombstone in his 4-game old career.

Back to conceding… My life was flashing before my eyes; what would the narrative be if we lost? How could I exist after pumping the side all week? But before I could even pen a single piece of propaganda onto Twitter, Martin Odegaard was found alone in the penalty box by Martinelli and he drilled home to level things up. Captain Fantastic at it again. There are some players that hit a certain level of consistency that is so top tier, you barely comment on them. That is Martin these days.

The second half was a little more cagey. We controlled, but it felt like a less confident performance because United were catching us in transition every error we made. Arteta will no doubt be looking at that this week, because against good teams, we’re going to get put to the sword.

The offside goal happened in the 87th minute. I sent out Whatsapp messages saying ‘TUCKED UP, AGAIN’ but I needn’t have worried. The big man in VAR heaven blessed us by putting down the magic graphical lines – showing that Gabriel played the offside trap to George Graham levels of perfection.

That gave Arsenal the chance to go for the jugular. United had nothing to offer. Arteta rolled on the chaos crew.

Vieira (assist)

Jesus (goal)

Reiss (brilliant)

Jorginho (can’t remember)

Tomi (also brilliant)

It worked. The structure we had most of the game disappeared – Arsenal became ungovernable. United shot off green and white panic flares and tied white pieces of cloth to the corner flags. EtH, the manager who has spent £340m on players, rolled on Jonny Evans and Harry McGuire. We kept pressuring, poking, and ragging United left to right.

The moment came from a corner. Bukayo, fairly anonymous all game, found Declan at the back post, he brought the ball down on his chest, no one pressured him, WHACK on the half volley, GOAL, in off some United legs.

THE CROWD WENT WILD! RICE, RICE, BABY!

We still had time to play out – and there was enough of it for another goal. This time Arsenal broke on the counter, Fabio Vieira picked up the ball on the halfway line, most thought he’d roll it into safety to kill time, but the hot 8 slipped the ball into Gabriel Jesus, he powered down on goal, chopped the ball back, sent Dalot sliding down Holloway road, then he curled the ball past the extremely annoying Onana.

BEAUTIFUL.

So where have we landed?

Are Arsenal back to being a good team after a week of doubt?

I think so.

There are certainly some areas to work on.

Kai Havertz looked a little lost. His confidence has been shot to pieces, things aren’t rolling for him, but I’m telling you, he’ll be a great player for us. If you think Arteta is going to give up on him, you’d be totally wrong. I’ve been told that Kai is a top professional, he’s great at training, he’s well-liked by everyone, and Arteta thinks he has incredible qualities. Clock the people that relentlessly bag on him over the next few months – and when the time comes to take vengeance, do not tolerate ‘I was kidding, gotcha.’

One thing that might impact Kai is the great form of last season’s ‘he should go on loan to Swansea’ meatbag, Fabio Vieira. The Portuguese came on again and delivered when it mattered. 2 assists in 50 minutes of game time. He’ll be eating up some of those Champions League games, no doubt. But fair play to him, he hasn’t had an easy ride, now he’s starting to look the part, even if he does still boast the frame of a medium build 15-year-old boy.

Aaron Ramsdale has conceded quite a few goals from very few shots on target. I’m just not sure how long his run is going to last with David Raya at the training ground. My prediction is Raya is going to start against PSV – then the countdown clock begins for Ramsdale. At the level we need to be at, you need your keeper keeping out the impossible, Aaron hasn’t been doing that consistently for a while.

Johnny said on the Podcast that the standard back 5 from last year did a better job than the group that was put forward for Fulham. I don’t agree at all. We limited United to two shots on target and still managed to concede. But the bigger worry is United carved through us numerous times after picking up erroneous passes. It was basically their strategy – refuse possession, wait for a bad pass, cut through us. On a different day, we’re paying a heavier price than one goal. I doubt the coaching staff will have missed that, regardless of how solid some of the individual performances were.

Eddie had a really powerful game. His movement was brilliant, he showed great strength all game, and he worked tirelessly. But when Jesus entered the fray, you could see the difference. Defenders stood off him, his skillset has a little more shine to it, and when he was presented a chance, he took it with gusto. Jesus is still number one, but now Eddie is a meaningful option to rotate.

Declan Rice. What a player. Matt said on the podcast he’s a blend of Granit and Partey and it’s hard to disagree. He was a boss yesterday. He has on pitch presence and charisma, his passing is outrageous, those switches are NSFW, he offers up composure well beyond his years, and now we’ve just been shown he’s a big game impactor. What a way to announce yourself to the Arsenal faithful. Not many players over £70m represent value for money – that ain’t going to be the case with Rice. He looks worth every penny.

So what about Mikel Arteta? He showed once again, he is a top 3 manager in the Premier League, and he reminded anyone that is willing to doubt him they are likely going to end up eating their terrible opinions. EtH was probably the last of the ‘we should have hired him over Arteta’ and I think we’re now seeing that that can go on the scrap heap with Carlo, Jose, Antonio, Allegri, and Potter.

The vision for Arsenal is clear – we’re going to use certain games to try new ideas and give minutes to players who are on the fringe. That keeps players fresh, it gives them experience in a live environment, and it makes Arsenal unpredictable.

There will still be big game teams like today that require us to play our best / most familiar 11. That starting 11 wasn’t the realization that we’ve been doing something wrong. That was Arteta matching the players, formation, and system to an opposition that merited it. Arteta needed Gabriel today to deal aggressively with a brilliant forward line. He was always going to revert back to Ben White and Zinchenko against the best teams because they are first choice. Our midfield picked itself based on the physical requirements needed against United – Fabio Vieira has been in great form, but are you really putting him in from the start against United? Kai did his defensive duties better than Vieira likely would have (and Vieira did switch off as part of the Zinchenko mishap against Fulham).

Everyone is entitled to bang the table and scream – but it feels like people are far quicker to do it than ever before. Writing Havertz off after 4 games is a fool’s game – I honestly can’t believe it has so much traction. Complaining Arteta has regressed the squad this summer is just silly talk. Loudly proclaiming the solution to moving the club forward is to do exactly the same as we did last season is beyond parody. It’s not criticism, it’s folly. We’ve gone from spending 15 years in the doldrums of European football to Premier League contenders – and our manager had to spend the last 3 days justifying new players and ideas he’s trying to implement because the reaction has been so bad he can hear it in the stadium.

It’s going to be a very unenjoyable season if people can’t be realistic about the challenge ahead… let’s hope that win was a sharp reminder that those who scream loudest these days tend to have the worst takes. We’re trying to topple a Manchester City team that has the best manager, best striker, and the best technical staff building a beast squad for 10 years. That’s not going to be easy and getting there won’t be smooth. But we have a powerful idea, we have a crop of young players up to the challenge, now we just need the timing to work out.

Arsenal did a brilliant job today – never underestimate this group. We’re on the righteous path. Now go and get screenshots of the naysayers and think of all the ways you’ll make them pay in the future. x

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Nigel Tufnel

Dissenter, I heard Arteta’s quote about Partey. He was clearly saying Partey was not going to start at RB… Now tell me where you think he would have been used against United… Keeper? False 9? Remember he started in midfield in the shield against Man City. You heard that quote and are still in denial that I was right all along? Arteta was never using the Forest, Palace, Fulham setup for United, Man City, Chelsea.. The lack of common sense here is incredible, but also stubbornness refusing to admit when someone (me) was obviously correct. It’s wouldn’t be important except… Read more »

SAGG

Hi guys

Yesterday I was discussing with a friend about Havertz who is starting his Arsenal Career, that lead us to a more interesting conversation about all the signings made by Arteta since he arrived to Arsenal. We classified them in 3 categories: Success, Failure and To be Determined. This is the complete list of signings so how would you classified all Arteta’s signings?

Zinchenko
Jesus
Odegaard
Gabriel
Rice
Trossard
Partey
Tomiyasu
Ramsdale
White
Runnarson
Mari
Cedric
Willian
Lokonga
Tavares
Trusty
Turner
Ryan
Jorginho
Timber
Kiwior
Marquinhos
Havertz
Raya
Vieira

Nigel Tufnel

Anybody who rated Maddison was clearly right, but not exactly finding an unknown diamond, I always thought he was an excellent player, but didn’t picture him taking over the Xhaka role, because I don’t think he’s robust enough as a CM. Still a great creative player. But I’m going to go out on a limb and say I think Havertz will work out better in his position in the long run. Different skill set and needs. I know that sounds crazy now. But unlike most of you, if I’m wrong I’ll admit it, and I won’t try to hide from… Read more »

GoonerDave

I don’t rate JM even though he’s had a great start to his rottenham career. I doubt very much he will be consistent for the whole season. He is having a good spell but would never dislodge Ode in our team. And that is his position.
As for Kai, I don’t know why we signed him and I’d prefer to see Partey, Rice and Ode start together as often as possible. Kai can help defend late set pieces and keep the ball for the last 10 minutes. I hope he improves. Quickly.

Zacharse

pepe to turkey…???????
oh lord don’t tease

Zacharse

ten hag sounded cracked after the game. i feel for the guy. he should have never gone to utd…

truth is his team was outclassed by us in every dept except the marcus rashford dept

Aaron

Great, Jesus called up for intl’s, has not played for us in months and now goes away.

Despise that competition, as the Nations incur no financial resposibility if players get wrecked….

Aaron

Nigel,

Thanks for that!
Nelson needs to play more…

Madhu

Just as Arteta wants to experiment with new formations with TP ar tight back for games against ‘lesser’ opponents I would love to see him utilising squad and giving the likes of ESR, Viera, Riess starts in such games. Would it be too much to ask?

Madhu

A judicious mix of squad in PL games ensures that the likes of Saka, Martinelli etc are not overplayed and broken by April.

China1

Lol @ Pedro going bold doing a victory lap by doing the following 1) strawman that people were only irked about dropping points at Fulham – knowing full well people: A) were irked because we dropped points vs Fulham whilst galaxy braining unnecessarily hard. B) people complained about much more than Fulham. It was also the bigger picture of arsenal gutting our defense with loans and sales whilst galaxy braining the defense (Gab out) and overplaying partey in the wrong position – which would surely (and did) end in injury. Unless I’m mistaken nothing has changed whatsoever on point B.… Read more »

China1

Re Havertz, I don’t have any doubt about his actual ability. I also think he works very hard off the ball. But my main concern is being so sloppy just comes across as careless. if he had a less languid style is might not make such painful watching, but when a player looks half asleep half the time then takes an air shot and hands the ball to the opposition in the lead up to a goal, it’s really hard not to just feel it’s basic and sloppy you can be the hardest working and most talented guy in the… Read more »

China1

one nice observation is that so far Rice is looking better and better every game. first few preseason games he was finding it a little difficult to do what Partey does in this system but now I think he looks totally settled. he was sublime vs utd not only is he so good at winning the ball and plays with intelligence and positivity but he’s so, so tidy as well. I think he might not have lost the ball once until around the 70th min. maybe only 3 times in the whole match. his play is so smart AND positive.… Read more »

China1

I’ll be very glad if Pepe to turkey finally gets done I just hope we’re insisting on a fee. even a small fee is better than the pure embarrassment of paying a player to leave so he can join a club which wants him and just is refusing to pay for him. it’s a proper piss take to pay players off.

Madhu

China precisely. All these narrative that tinkering earlier on is to keep the team fresh for April is losing the sight that if you drop points against teams.like Fulham at home done to 10 will run the risk of falling so far behind the leaders that come.April we may not have a league title to chase. A judicious mix of complete squad to keep everyone fresh while not comprising on the team strength is what is needed. Offcourse Arteta knows it better than anyone else you would assume.

Nigel Tufnel

Madhu very reasonable … I agree about seeing more of Reiss and Emile. Sometimes I think that Nelson could be a better player than Martinelli if given the chance. There are wrinkles to his game that Gabby just doesn’t have. If you find a compilation of all Reiss appearances last season, the actual quality is impressive. If we were scouting a player from another team that we were linked to, we would be really interested watching that same video. Another big tell – Brighton wanted Nelson this past summer. Their eye for talent is currently one of the best in… Read more »

dSidstathopoulos

Partey needs to stop eating yams and ESR, Zinc stop eating chips(potatoes) both have high estrogen that makes men weak.

China1

Yes Nelson is really explosive at least as a second half sub

He needs more minutes and for us not to wait until saka is running on empty or injured before we dare to utilize him

We have a very strong squad aside from a problematic lack of numbers in defense and that squad needs fully utilizing

I’d be interested to see vieira start over Kai next match but I have doubts he will as arteta tends to pick his favs

China1

Lol sid laying down the science

Madhu

Nigel what we are all asking is to make a change in one position and more rotation / subs within the game to give opposition different issues to resolve. We don’t need wholesale changes but say a Viera/ESR over Kai Reiss over Saka/Martinelli to start a game against a bottom half side. Make subs at 50-60 mark to give others time to play. That way the whole squad will be kept interested and give players like Saka a rest. Instead of giving 4 starts to Kai we could had a start for ESR or Viera and couple to Kai with… Read more »

Why I Gunna

Havertz takes ghosting into the area to whole other level. We all hope he’s the next Bergkamp but on no grounds does he justify being in the team ahead of anyone else at the moment who can play that position. Meanwhile everyone else rots on the bench and they must be wondering why they are

EdTheRed

Havertz is Chamakh and Sebastian Squillaci rolled into one.

dSidstathopoulos

Unfair to Squillaci

dSidstathopoulos

Squillaci
two consecutive french league titles
the Coupe de France
the Copa del Rey

China1

Fully agree Madhu Havertz might do well sooner or later but I am not convinced that making him an unstoppable starter is necessarily doing him any favors If getting used to the system is still a challenge for him, it won’t hurt him to miss games here or there and focus on his role in training without the pressure of the match and it gives others the chance to make their case to play as well Rice required a handful of games to really look at ease and said he found it very difficult the first few matches processing what… Read more »

dSidstathopoulos

Havertz should ask Szob0zslai for tips on how to do well in a new team in the EPL.

China1

Szobozslai is looking really really good

I wanted us to sign him a couple of years back! A shame he’s gone to Pool

EdTheRed

If it was “only four games” I would still give him benefit of the doubt, but if player after four years in EPL gives a performance like Havertz did on Sunday, I’m afraid there’s no hope.

So Carragher is basically saying same shit I said on previous page. Arteta needs to tone down, get out of “It’s 2020 and I need to CONTROL everything ALL THE time” mode and let players do the talking. And as I sad, he’s in the great position to do so, just hope he can see the woods from the trees.

kjelli

Seems like we have dodge a bullet in Yuri Tielmans,we need to look at options in dm´s in jan.
and as for a power forward I like Mbeuma at Brentford a lot.

Josip Skoblar

I never understood how making a sub 10-15 minutes from time could have an impact on the game. A player needs to be at least 30 minutes on the pitch to really get into the rhythm of a game. Anyone who has played football knows that. Late substitutions usually do not impact the game.

bacaryisgod

I have found a solution for time wasting. Here’s the breakdown and even if I do say so myself, it’s genius. First, what are the reasons for injury time being given?: 1. Injuries 2. Time wasting-Team A 3. Time wasting-Team B 4. Substitutions (substituting slowly should go into Time Wasting category) 5. Prolonged Goal Celebrations So let’s say that Team A has been clinging on for a draw for the entire second half and has been wasting a lot of time but Team B scores in the 89th minute. However, there is now 10 minutes of injury time (eg. 2… Read more »

Madhu

Ed, the control of Arteta seems to be true to an extent. I look at Martinelli for ex, sure he has smoothened a lot of rough edges of his game, but he was shot monster but he rarely takes shots. I think in the Man U match he didnt take a single shot i guess. For the talent that we have in the team we should be feerless and just let their talent take over in key moments.

dSidstathopoulos

Flawed, team B might need one more goal for purposes of GD.

Chaz

Rumour has it Dalot was seen still sliding past Waitrose this morning toward McDonald’s!!!

bacaryisgod

If that’s your biggest issue with it Sid, then I’m really onto something here!

bacaryisgod

Madhu.

Martinelli did take a shot early on in the United game and it was blocked. Hard to blame Arteta for this because Saka and Odegaard have taken plenty of shots from distance.

Last season, I recall Martinelli cutting inside a fair amount and shooting without much success. Maybe he’ll find his shooting touch soon but overall he’s still a dangerous weapon for us.

Karsa

A sub made at the 50-60 minute mark may well play the greater portion of the match.

Wicked Willy

China

I agree with your comments re Havertz. However, due to Everton being big bastards in midfield, and due to Jesus availability, which could transform the entire front line, I’d be in favour of him starting that game, but then reverting a diffeeent option unless it’s a breakout game for him.

Raulishuss

MadhuSeptember 5, 2023 08:21:29 Ed, the control of Arteta seems to be true to an extent. I look at Martinelli for ex, sure he has smoothened a lot of rough edges of his game, but he was shot monster but he rarely takes shots. I think in the Man U match he didnt take a single shot i guess. For the talent that we have in the team we should be feerless and just let their talent take over in key moments. Look at this miserable cunt. All you do Is moan and moan. Are you twelve? Glory hunting no… Read more »

G

So Arteta is saying to Martenelli.. when you get a chance Don’t shoot

Wicked Willy

You guys seen this from our two future superstars? 🔥

https://www.instagram.com/reel/CwxNIZVt9-L/?igshid=MTc4MmM1YmI2Ng==

raptora

Something I didn’t like when we had to sign both Myles Lewis-Skelly and Ethan Nwaneri on pro contracts. MLS signed without much fuss unlike Nwaneri, so his signing went completely under the radar. Like he was the additional news on the page of Nwaneri being wanted by many teams and his Arsenal career being in huge doubt. It was unfair to the fella and his brand basically suffered for being more committed to us compared to Nwaneri who a lot of people on twitter and podcasts were talking about because he was almost a certain goner. Well, the other reason… Read more »

Positive pete

How true I don’t know.But apparently the ‘ fan’ who head butted Keane is a £2500 season ticket hospitality holder.Who took exception to Keane screaming out a cheer for Garnachos goal before it was disallowed & to supposed abuse Keane had been hurling from the commentators gantry to supporters below.The head but has reportedly left Keane with a gash & the perpetrator with a broken nose.Mica Richards & security intervened to stop the altercation & Keane wanted the police called. Have to say I find the whole thing a bit bazaar that a season ticket holder would risk his ticket… Read more »

Madhu

Raulishuss – Mind your language well i guess that’s your class. You cant bully me to not state my opinion. You can call me all the names that you have in your esteemed vocabulary. You are nothing but a bully and i wont be scared of you.

Josip Skoblar

A decent team in the Saudi League.

Bono

Koulibaly Fabinho Laporte

Kante Brozovic

Mahrez Neymar Mane

Benzema Ronaldo

EdTheRed

However you look at it, it’s shameful behaviour. No excuse.

andy1886

Sure that the ‘fan’ wasn’t Raulishuss? Certainly has anger issues, would probably try and lump half the stadium given the chance.

Positive pete

Agreed.Ed.But if Keane was goading he should known better.You don’t poke the Bear.

EdTheRed

It could be an open season on Martin Keown’s head when we go to OT.

EdTheRed

Pete, if true, and apparently there is a video of the incident doing rounds, the Arsenal supporter in question will get lifetime ban, no doubt. Not fckng worth it.

allezkev

Nice bit of X there Nigel, yes having Reiss, Vieira, Jorginho etc on the bench is vital, even if they don’t start games having them to come on with fresh legs and knowing their quality and ability to see games out is a blessing, particularly with games going 100 minutes plus this season and beyond.

Positive pete

Yep Ed it could turn out tit for tat.Maybe Keane will need a police escort on his next Emirates tour.Or alternatively they may decide to keep the c** t away from us & pick an alternative bias Manc for commentary duty..Bit of a conundrum for sky im afraid.

China1

The fan who head butted Keane is a total twat who deserves a life time ban and the rest

But alongside the above being true, it is a little amusing that a player who used to assault opposition players every 3 days for 15 years wanted the police involved when he got hurt

Another amusing observation is that the guy who did the head butt broke his own nose on keane’s head which is kinda hilarious. Who headbutts with their nose???? What a tit

China1

Is it just me who is mad excited to have Jesus back?

We are now able to play a full strength team aside from partey/open questions about havertz position

Looking forward to a big performance next match

raptora

Ye I was so excited about having Jesus back. I loved it when he dropped in the DM position to receive the ball, then tried to dribble around 3 people and almost decided the game.
https://dubz.co/c/715b35

Jesus is a superb player but let’s not go overboard with him. He would have been ripped to shreds if we had lost the game because of his mistake. He scored a goal when the game was already over.

Great for his confidence and the cherry on the cake, but he’ll need to do more to consider him back to his full strength.

Positive pete

Yes China.Absolutely great to have him back.Lord of Chaos.

allezkev

Jesus took his goal wonderfully well, the shuffle to leave Dalot floundering and the calmness to beat Onana and make it look so easy, we need him fit and firing with so much to play for this season.

EdTheRed

China

I always said, cocaine and football don’t go together.

As for Jesus, I would love to see more of what we saw last 20 minutes of manUre game, him on the right, with Saka having a sort of free role in the midfield. I think both players would embrace it. Jesus said himself he prefers playing wide, and Saka on the right flank is beginning to look a bit predictable. Our star boy is capable of much more.

raptora

TheSecretScout
Excl – Understand Pepe have received a proposal from Saudi club Al Shabab 🔴#AFC
Arsenal looking for a fee of around £2m.
Representatives are out in Saudi to work on and complete deal.
Boom 🔜 💥
____________________________________________________

Better than nothing I guess. No idea how we reached that place but Pepe is much better than this fee shows. Ziyech was on course to join Al Nassr for £8m and he’s 30 yo, while Pepe is 28 and I think their class is very similar.

raptora

We should be getting £15m for Pepe even if he’s on £140k pw but I guess not.

Positive pete

Ed.Saka looks knackered.He’s been doubled up on every single moment with rarely any help from an overlapping full back.Either as you suggest put Jesus there as an alternative & Saka drops back slightly to break things up or bring in Nelson to share the load.There are options.

Foxy

Ed Yes that is the sort of tinkering we actually need Arteta to do more of to make to us less predictable including more rotation for or in games and even just having our wide players swap flanks during games. But if Jesus goes wider that again raises the CF issue and is Eddie the solution or the problem.

Un

Rap

Arteta tanked him
Just as he has with a lot of the players he doesn’t want
It’s one of the big criticisms I have
He could have got end product out of Pepe vs tried legs
He knows how to score and create even if he’s not great at taking on detailed tactical instructions

We should be getting £25-35m easily for a player who offers goals and assists like he does

Positive pete

Un.If El kebab get him it’s a steal.That goes without saying.Hardly worth mentioning £2 million these days to be honest.

Un

China

Keane has assaulted members of the public
He assaulted me when I was a 14 year old
Literally barged me when i asked for his autograph
And he assaulted a boy while walking his dog after he quit the 2002 World Cup after hurling abuse at mick McCarthy
Fun to watch on tv but not a nice bloke

Dissenter

Un
I actually agree with you.
Keene has adopted this public persona of hard man, that’s what his commentary is about
.
I can’t understand for the life of me, why these so called pundits can’t be can’t be professional. They ought to be called influencers like the characters on YouTube

Davey

I would like to fight Keane

raptora

I think Micah Richards was the star in that idiotic encounter. Keane hiding behind Micah is quite funny.

Ken

Maybe we should get the hardest man on the internet, Raulishuss, to take on Keane. It might help relieve some of the pent up rage he has going on.

China1

2m is a joke valuation for Pepe especially from a Saudi club that has infinite resources

BUT

It’s less embarrassing and insulting than paying players to leave.

Davey

A return of 2m on the clubs second biggest outlay 72m not the Arsenal’s greatest business.

Un

Davey
He’s only a little fella. I can’t imagine he’d be a handful
Awful temper
I remember him trying to land one on shearer back in the day but I’d imagine I’d it were a square go without his team mates to intervene shearer would make mince meat of him
Shearer was an ox and a proper bloke
Didn’t he deck Keith Gillespie back in the day? And Craig Bellamy who was meant to be a right little arse hole

Rich

£2 million and a saving of £140,000 p/w for 43 weeks, is a saving of £6million in wages + £2million in fees. We’ve currently got plenty of forwards, Pepe was a good finisher, and could produce quality moments, but his stock isn’t high, isn’t coming off a good season in France, and his race at Arsenal is clearly run. Take whatever’s on the table alongside a significant saving to our wage bill…. Give Ødegaard a new long term contract with some of that saving, and write a line under it. There’s a chance we’ll promote Cozier-Duberry permanently, can’t see him… Read more »

Davey

You know what they say – the bigger they are the harder they fall.

The smaller they are the further they go!

Un

Davey
I notice he never tangled with big dunc or John Harrtson and when vieira lost it keane backed down
I think he was more a bully who picked on people he felt he could intimidate, for the most part

Dissenter

This is a very sad day for Arsenal with the Pepe deal. We dodged one with Willian because the player showed very rare integrity in cancelling his contract.
Pepe wasn’t really that bad. It could have worked because he wasn’t poor

Let’s just get this one behind us and move on, making sure we don’t keep overpaying everyone we sign because it makes it very hard to move them on.

EdTheRed

Ken, I would pay to watch that 🙂

We all agree that Roy is a first class cnut, at least when it comes to Arsenal. But our geezer should have never gone for him in a manner he did. Plenty of verbal abuse would have been enough, and he wouldn’t be facing lifetime Emirates ban and possible criminal charges against him.

Dissenter

The Saudi club could have just waited for us to cancel the contract and they’re signed him in January.They probably felt sorry for us.

NORG

Dissenter
Willian walked away with £12M.

Rich

Doing the rounds on Twitter: Arsenal were 23rd amongst all PL clubs in terms of net spend between 2003 – 2013, spending just £7.7 million. 1st – Chavs £700 million 2nd – City £564million 3rd – Liverpool £279 million 4th – United £276 million 5th Spurs £233 million Also take into account for market inflation. I still maintain that Wenger’s best years were between 2004-2013, when we didn’t win a trophy, and that he gave his best years to Arsenal on a shoestring. Unfortunately when the taps got turned on again, he’d lost his magic in the market and was… Read more »

Josip Skoblar

Rich
Amen to that.

Positive pete

Ed.Think Keane believes his own ‘ hard man’ publicity.The thing is you play with fire & at some point you’re get your fingers burned..Yep it was wrong.But it was inevitable at some stage.

Positive pete

Rich.On that basis.He was a martyr who took the flak with a board that didn’t come clean about it.Some would say,how could they? It would be telling the football/ transfer world we were effectively skint.Ah but I hear you say,what about that £200 million transfer warchest we had supposedly built up?
Guess we’ll never know & prefer now to move on.That debate has been done to death.

Madhu

Rich agree with you. always respect the man and a dignified way how he walked away and never has said anything about his Arsenal days. That shows his class.

China1

Yeah sorry but not buying it that those were wengers best years

If he was so constrained financially then where did the massive warchest appear from a couple of years later? And why was he lying to the fans that he could sign expensive players if he found the right one?

Wengers best years we’re when he created a contender for the greatest team in English history off a small budget and went unbeaten with it

Josip Skoblar

Arsenal players on international duty:

🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿| Eddie Nketiah, Bukayo Saka, Declan Rice, Aaron Ramsdale
🇧🇷| Gabriel Jesus, Martinelli, Magalhaes
🇳🇴| Martin Ødegaard
🇩🇪| Kai Havertz
🇫🇷| William Saliba
🇵🇱| Jakub Kiwior
🇧🇪| Leandro Trossard
🇺🇦| Oleksandr Zinchenko
🇯🇵| Takehiro Tomiyasu
🇪🇸| David Raya
🇪🇪| Karl Hein

Un

Rich
Agree
The way some of the most clueless dick heads here spoke about him was utterly disgusting
Senile French prick was a often posted
Same cunts who think emery was the better manager
Mugs

allezkev

Ah, the mythical ‘transfer war chest’.

A ploy perhaps to sell season tickets?

Rich

China When we secured the financing for our move to the Emirates, we locked ourselves into long term sponsorship + manufacturing deals to secure financing, but by the time they expired, they no longer held market value…. We signed a 17yr deal for the stadium naming right in 2004 until 2021. We renewed our shirt deal in 2013 and manufacturing deal in 2014, and that’s when we had some more money in the market. KSE were also reluctant to invest while they didn’t own 100% of the club, but since they took full ownership in Aug 2018, they have turned… Read more »

jwl

Was making almunia our starting goalie for a few seasons also part of financing deals, Rich? Or how about refusing to buy alonso because he wanted to protect denilson, was that also forced on him or was he making idiotic choices?

jwl

Latest rumour is that Saudis have offered £215m for Salah, which is crazy money I don’t know how you turn that down. Liverpool have bad season this year but next season they cooking with four new £50 m players.

Un

Jwl

No manager in the history of the game has gone without mistakes
Fergie signed veron djemba djemba cryuff poborsky kleberson Anderson taibi and many many more duds

Un

Wengers biggest mistake was getting rid of Keown as defensive coach
He turned flamini eboue almunia and sender is into the best defence the champions league has ever witness
Still holds the record for goals conceded

Chris

Even without Salah, exceptional player as he is, Liverpool have lots of options up front who are top quality.

If the £215 million bud is accurate, you have to take that for a 31 year old (again, acknowledging he is a WC player). It’s insane and obscene money.

Chris

After the 2017 Cup final Wenger really shouldn’t have renewed his deal and should have gone off on a blaze of glory, the last year was very painful and he obviously didn’t deserve all the shit he got.

Davey

Yes agreed Un, we never conceded in the knock out stages then the season after Martin was out?

Mr Serge

The fact we are getting 1988 prices for most of our players is a worry
Are there no negotiators in our management team ?
Ridiculous

G

China from 2005 to around 2012 AW was asked to have a net spend of zero.. that’s a fact said by DD
Lost his way near the end but as said still won 3 Fa cups