DECLAN KILLS UNITED IN FERGIE TIME

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Call the emergency services, my EKG is still off the scale, and the game has been finished 12 hours. Arsenal took a cagey game against United into a marathon of overtime and put EtH to the sword with two MASSIVE goals.

It’s hard to know where to start – but we should address the bullshit narratives that have been peddled all week. Just flick through your twitter feed or your group chats and remember all those characters that have spent the last 5 days complaining about the world caving in because we drew against Fulham. How are Arsenal fans so damaged? What did those cold nights during the banter years do to them? How can putting Thomas Partey at right back trigger a reaction so bad I had to keep double checking we didn’t lose that game?

Who knows… but those people were ready with the knives out when Garnacho broke through on goal in the 87th minute.

Kai ain’t right…

Arteta has regressed the side…

United are going to surpass us this season…

WE SHOULD NOT HAVE SOLD HOLDINHO!

Then BANG… those pre-written obituary notes went in the bin and all the carry-on last week was forgotten and brushed under 180 pivot carpet with platitudes like: ‘well, he picked the team I wanted.’

Mikel Arteta tactically outsmarted EtH, again. The Dutch manager offered up the ultimate sign of respect by doing absolutely nothing adventurous all game. He parked the bus, instructed his team to waste time, and he thought his bland plan had worked when his sub broke free of the offside trap late on.

It wasn’t to be.

Garnacho was played offside by some incisive body-shifting from Gabriel.

Arsenal made the 12 minutes of added time count with two brilliant goals.

But let’s talk about the shape of the game because it’s important to remind everyone how good we were. The first half was totally dominant from Arsenal. We did well in the duels, we hoovered up second balls, and we kept United looking very ordinary. Our defenders stopped United’s main attackers from turning with aggressive pressing and hustling.

Gabriel was welcomed back into the side and he showed no signs of being upset about missing the first three games. He kept Antony at bay, not allowing him to fidget spin or cause other problems.

We were very buttoned up, but United snapped at us first the only way they know how: Marcus Rashford, in transition, with Aaron Ramsdale conceding from the first shot on target in the game for the 7th time in 2023. No team concedes more first-time shots in the league than Arsenal. The super annoying part about the goal was the error came from Kai Havertz sloppy pass. He looked upset, Saliba comforting him. Those feeling were likely exacerbated by his air shot early on when he had time and space. When it rains, it pours. No amount of off-the-ball work or defensive stability down the left (noting that all our goals are leaking down the right) will assuage some fans from planting a tombstone in his 4-game old career.

Back to conceding… My life was flashing before my eyes; what would the narrative be if we lost? How could I exist after pumping the side all week? But before I could even pen a single piece of propaganda onto Twitter, Martin Odegaard was found alone in the penalty box by Martinelli and he drilled home to level things up. Captain Fantastic at it again. There are some players that hit a certain level of consistency that is so top tier, you barely comment on them. That is Martin these days.

The second half was a little more cagey. We controlled, but it felt like a less confident performance because United were catching us in transition every error we made. Arteta will no doubt be looking at that this week, because against good teams, we’re going to get put to the sword.

The offside goal happened in the 87th minute. I sent out Whatsapp messages saying ‘TUCKED UP, AGAIN’ but I needn’t have worried. The big man in VAR heaven blessed us by putting down the magic graphical lines – showing that Gabriel played the offside trap to George Graham levels of perfection.

That gave Arsenal the chance to go for the jugular. United had nothing to offer. Arteta rolled on the chaos crew.

Vieira (assist)

Jesus (goal)

Reiss (brilliant)

Jorginho (can’t remember)

Tomi (also brilliant)

It worked. The structure we had most of the game disappeared – Arsenal became ungovernable. United shot off green and white panic flares and tied white pieces of cloth to the corner flags. EtH, the manager who has spent £340m on players, rolled on Jonny Evans and Harry McGuire. We kept pressuring, poking, and ragging United left to right.

The moment came from a corner. Bukayo, fairly anonymous all game, found Declan at the back post, he brought the ball down on his chest, no one pressured him, WHACK on the half volley, GOAL, in off some United legs.

THE CROWD WENT WILD! RICE, RICE, BABY!

We still had time to play out – and there was enough of it for another goal. This time Arsenal broke on the counter, Fabio Vieira picked up the ball on the halfway line, most thought he’d roll it into safety to kill time, but the hot 8 slipped the ball into Gabriel Jesus, he powered down on goal, chopped the ball back, sent Dalot sliding down Holloway road, then he curled the ball past the extremely annoying Onana.

BEAUTIFUL.

So where have we landed?

Are Arsenal back to being a good team after a week of doubt?

I think so.

There are certainly some areas to work on.

Kai Havertz looked a little lost. His confidence has been shot to pieces, things aren’t rolling for him, but I’m telling you, he’ll be a great player for us. If you think Arteta is going to give up on him, you’d be totally wrong. I’ve been told that Kai is a top professional, he’s great at training, he’s well-liked by everyone, and Arteta thinks he has incredible qualities. Clock the people that relentlessly bag on him over the next few months – and when the time comes to take vengeance, do not tolerate ‘I was kidding, gotcha.’

One thing that might impact Kai is the great form of last season’s ‘he should go on loan to Swansea’ meatbag, Fabio Vieira. The Portuguese came on again and delivered when it mattered. 2 assists in 50 minutes of game time. He’ll be eating up some of those Champions League games, no doubt. But fair play to him, he hasn’t had an easy ride, now he’s starting to look the part, even if he does still boast the frame of a medium build 15-year-old boy.

Aaron Ramsdale has conceded quite a few goals from very few shots on target. I’m just not sure how long his run is going to last with David Raya at the training ground. My prediction is Raya is going to start against PSV – then the countdown clock begins for Ramsdale. At the level we need to be at, you need your keeper keeping out the impossible, Aaron hasn’t been doing that consistently for a while.

Johnny said on the Podcast that the standard back 5 from last year did a better job than the group that was put forward for Fulham. I don’t agree at all. We limited United to two shots on target and still managed to concede. But the bigger worry is United carved through us numerous times after picking up erroneous passes. It was basically their strategy – refuse possession, wait for a bad pass, cut through us. On a different day, we’re paying a heavier price than one goal. I doubt the coaching staff will have missed that, regardless of how solid some of the individual performances were.

Eddie had a really powerful game. His movement was brilliant, he showed great strength all game, and he worked tirelessly. But when Jesus entered the fray, you could see the difference. Defenders stood off him, his skillset has a little more shine to it, and when he was presented a chance, he took it with gusto. Jesus is still number one, but now Eddie is a meaningful option to rotate.

Declan Rice. What a player. Matt said on the podcast he’s a blend of Granit and Partey and it’s hard to disagree. He was a boss yesterday. He has on pitch presence and charisma, his passing is outrageous, those switches are NSFW, he offers up composure well beyond his years, and now we’ve just been shown he’s a big game impactor. What a way to announce yourself to the Arsenal faithful. Not many players over £70m represent value for money – that ain’t going to be the case with Rice. He looks worth every penny.

So what about Mikel Arteta? He showed once again, he is a top 3 manager in the Premier League, and he reminded anyone that is willing to doubt him they are likely going to end up eating their terrible opinions. EtH was probably the last of the ‘we should have hired him over Arteta’ and I think we’re now seeing that that can go on the scrap heap with Carlo, Jose, Antonio, Allegri, and Potter.

The vision for Arsenal is clear – we’re going to use certain games to try new ideas and give minutes to players who are on the fringe. That keeps players fresh, it gives them experience in a live environment, and it makes Arsenal unpredictable.

There will still be big game teams like today that require us to play our best / most familiar 11. That starting 11 wasn’t the realization that we’ve been doing something wrong. That was Arteta matching the players, formation, and system to an opposition that merited it. Arteta needed Gabriel today to deal aggressively with a brilliant forward line. He was always going to revert back to Ben White and Zinchenko against the best teams because they are first choice. Our midfield picked itself based on the physical requirements needed against United – Fabio Vieira has been in great form, but are you really putting him in from the start against United? Kai did his defensive duties better than Vieira likely would have (and Vieira did switch off as part of the Zinchenko mishap against Fulham).

Everyone is entitled to bang the table and scream – but it feels like people are far quicker to do it than ever before. Writing Havertz off after 4 games is a fool’s game – I honestly can’t believe it has so much traction. Complaining Arteta has regressed the squad this summer is just silly talk. Loudly proclaiming the solution to moving the club forward is to do exactly the same as we did last season is beyond parody. It’s not criticism, it’s folly. We’ve gone from spending 15 years in the doldrums of European football to Premier League contenders – and our manager had to spend the last 3 days justifying new players and ideas he’s trying to implement because the reaction has been so bad he can hear it in the stadium.

It’s going to be a very unenjoyable season if people can’t be realistic about the challenge ahead… let’s hope that win was a sharp reminder that those who scream loudest these days tend to have the worst takes. We’re trying to topple a Manchester City team that has the best manager, best striker, and the best technical staff building a beast squad for 10 years. That’s not going to be easy and getting there won’t be smooth. But we have a powerful idea, we have a crop of young players up to the challenge, now we just need the timing to work out.

Arsenal did a brilliant job today – never underestimate this group. We’re on the righteous path. Now go and get screenshots of the naysayers and think of all the ways you’ll make them pay in the future. x

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Bob N16

Tom, I don’t tend to comment on Pedro’s posts.

bacaryisgod

Rich

To clarify, I don’t think Fabio needed to gain 10-20lbs of muscle-5-7lbs is just fine!

Dissenter

Year< I argue a lot with Rich but his footballing erudition is undoubted The statement about ‘the noise around his [Vierra] size is a Red Herring” is shamelessly disingenuous Last season, Vierra didn’t have a pre-season and never got a chance to adapt to the premier league so he was grossly unprepared for premier league physicality last season. The player has said as much and anyone with eyes can see that he’s put on lots of muscle over the right areas. Also let’s stop using Vierra as smokescreen for Havertz Vierra came with little senior football experience at Porto and… Read more »

allezkev

Tallest Tiz, is there any mention of a transfer fee, however small?

dSidstathopoulos

Any side with Maguire and Evans is mediocre

Josip Skoblar

Vieira is technically very gifted. It shows even when he doesn’t play well or contribute next to nothing. I do not have this impression with Havertz. I do hope I will be proven wrong.

dSidstathopoulos

Viera has grow bigger but Not physically just mentally

G8

We weren’t at our best and we got lucky.,but we deserved to win Manure were all over the place, and still caused us big problems Rashford goal could have been avoided From the first fuck up by Havertz to the clowning defending by white and Saliba Ramsdale might have done better, but I don’t blame him for this goal, or the Garnacho offside one, however I don’t have faith in him stopping those low hard shots Saka was not his usual self and looked really unfit. Hopefully he doesn’t get played too much in the interlol Parteys midfield control was… Read more »

Josip Skoblar

When he sees United play, Fergie must be desperate.

Greg

Ramsdale got a hand to a high quality shot from Rashford, the problem is not him on those but rather our bad giveaways that give forwards the chance to charge in and blast away.

GillespieRoadNoMore

Anthony, I look at him and think he should be flushed down the pan, an intensely unpleasant specimen. EtH is a fraud, he lucked out with 3rd in the league last season, can’t see that happening this season, rolling on Carthorse Maguire and Chelsea Pensioner Evans was quite the statement. I’m sure KH will come good, something will happen to unlock the floodgates and then what Mikel sees in him will be obvious to us mere mortals. Chelsea 6 points below us already is lovely to see, Newcastle one worse is even better. Early days I know but hopefully Sp*rs… Read more »

Rich

Vieira will have access to some of the best strength + conditioning coaches in the world…. And he did technically have a pre-season during the World Cup. The usual knee jerk lunatics were expecting instant results, from a medium term project…. And instead of getting behind a talented young player, they instead decided to actively look for a stick to beat him with. Same happened with Ødegaard. Vieira is never going to be a physical player….. He’s never going to win the physical battle with 7 extra pounds of muscle or not…. And it would be foolish for him to… Read more »

Dissenter

Ten Haag made a fool of himself when he couldn’t acknowledge the obvious after Onana almost took the head off Kalajdzic; it was a blatant penalty
Now he’s assessing referring performances in press conferences and no one is taking him serious

Emiratesstroller

Rich

I am not personally a fan of Vieira. Yes he came off the bench against Fulham and played quite well.
Also he provided an assist for Jesus to score against Man Utd

However, I have seen nothing since he joined Arsenal to suggest that he can play consistently for
90 minutes in a physically demanding game in EPL.

If he stays at Arsenal he will be always a fringe player to come off the bench.

jwl

Crazy stories coming out from brazil, there reports that Antony is being investigated for domestic abuse of ex-girlfriend. The woman has given police videos and texts, apparently one of the videos shows an “injury that exposed the bones of Gabriela’s fingers”. No wonder Sancho got the hump, the fidget spinner is preferred to him and this is what he like. What going on at manure, first greenwood and now antony, they collecting a cast of undesirable characters.

TallestTiz

Allezkev

No mention of a fee yet

We all know Turkish teams pretend to be broke when buying from England

dSidstathopoulos

Estrollers comment about Viera is closer to the truth than @Rich hyperbole

McBright is Wright

What a game! What a time to raise, like Rice, and make your price look irrelevant, despite the rants within the rank. Graciously, we didn’t tank, but are thankful for the full time result. Though, we often resort to blame and shame, the theme of the last 2 dacades, these facade Mikel is building, is attractive. Impatience is the weapon of distrust. Mistrust suggests you should have known better. No you don’t! So watch what you catch; and swatch your shred before you do your mental health a damage, in the name of a damaged Arsenal. Do I like Kia?… Read more »

raptora

I obviously don’t give a fuck about whatever’s happening with Manure. But I’ve never been a fan of managers publicly criticising their players.

Even if Sancho is at fault, stuff like that should not come out in the media space. That Ten Hag himself rinsed his player in an interview, well that’s a twat in my eyes.

Dissenter

Rich Your argument would have more credence if you were not angrily basing it on a straw man that “If Fabio Vieira tries transitioning into Patrick Vieira“, hyperbole aside no one is suggesting that Viera become a body builder It’s no wonder that you unwittingly agreed with what many posters were asking for when you wrote that: “His issues will be…. Can he adapt to the pace + intensity of the league? To adapt to the pace and intensity of the league- he has to improve on his core and robustness body strengths and build muscle in the right places.… Read more »

Mysticleaves

Rich and ES basically said the same things. Rich just wanted to be cuter and more intelligent. He worded his letter in such a way that proves him right if Vieira wins Ballon D’or in 2 years. Everyone knows Fabio is talented. Everyone also knows he’s not physically perfect for the EPL. If he were not to make it, it won’t be because of lack of skill. Rich acknowledged these and yet threw other posters that have the same views under the bus. Much like WW did on the previous post I quoted concerning Haverts. I don’t get why people… Read more »

local

“Roses blossom with care and when they do, we hold them in bossom positions. Right now, Kia is naked like a possum, he ran from the destitute bridge to fly at at Emirates”
“Harp right back to support, shield your Sharp sword.of pain. The gains are in plain sight”
– Mcbright is wright

Amazing stuff.

Dissenter

Ten Haag ought to shat up about Sancho. He threw the lad under the bus to create a diversion.

His own expensive signing in Anthony is far worse that Sancho

Matt

Sancho was given weeks off not that long ago for mental health reasons. Fast forward a few months and Ten Haag is throwing him under the bus in public. Very poor and I imagine other players will not view that sort of thing too kindly either. Not that I care as I hate United with a passion so long may it continue.

Rich

Adopting to the pace and intensity of the league, just means operating at a much quicker level…. If players have better movement and execute their actions more efficiently, size becomes less relevant. Cazorla wasn’t quick, and he certainly wasn’t powerful either, but he could still take 3-4 players out of the game with a little drop of the shoulder, he was just infinitely more intelligent and technically gifted than the other players around him. He was always in the right spaces, his movement was elite, and his first touch could more than counter any athletic deficiencies. Arguably the second best… Read more »

Emiratesstroller

Mysticleaves I am not sure what “intelligence” has got to do with observation and opinion. I have seen Vieira play on a number of occasions at Emirates. Unlike when people watch players on tv or elsewhere this provides the spectator to see a player both on and off the ball. What I have seen sofar is a player who is easily disposessed and often taking an age to get off the ground. In the Epl you need to be physically strong and more importantly recover quickly when tackled. Vieira prefers to spend his time on the ground and hope that… Read more »

Dissenter

Now you’re waffling Rich When people talk about Vierra’s weight, no one is asking that he morph into Adama Traore It’s about targeted muscle conditioning that will increase mass in certain areas of the body to make the player more robust, quicker and explosive Cazorla’s weight was about 148lbs when he played for us, Vierra’s weight last season was 128 lbs Just stop waffling ffs Viera himself has alluded several times to the fact that he needed to build up muscle bull to adapt to the English game https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-11315115/Arsenals-Fabio-Vieira-says-hes-lifting-weights-adjust-physical-Premier-League.html ‘It’s a different type of game. In Portugal it’s different, in… Read more »

Rusty

Were gonna see even more low blocks now this season after yesterday, teams will know that when they break on us that we are ragged in those situations and also likely to concede off a small number of attempts. Think Ramsdale will be gone from the side quite soon honestly. Obviously so so so amazing to get that win yesterday but make no mistake, we were inches from a much different outcome all down to being unable to control transitions. With regard to Havertz, don’t conflate people saying he shouldn’t be in the side at the minute with writing him… Read more »

Matt

Vieira has been very good when he has come on the last two games. I cant see him being a player that starts too many games though. Similar with Nelson, he generally always makes an impact when he comes on as a sub so the tendency is to say he should be starting games, but like Vieira I just think he is one of those players who is far less effective when they are involved from the start.

Vickingz

Even the rich is sounding poor

Vickingz

Nelson can give you 30 minutes of impactful football and viera isn’t even as strong as fabregas was at 18

Leftside

“With regard to Havertz, don’t conflate people saying he shouldn’t be in the side at the minute with writing him off.”

This is it Rusty. Tell that to Raulishus aka Legroves prime Mike Tyson. Always ready to go at someone rather than just comment

Mysticleaves

Emirates…

When you look at what Rich posted, it sounded “intelligent” but he was basically saying the same thing with you.

I agree with you and Rich (haha) that Fabio is technically gifted but not physically suited to the EPL.

Emiratesstroller

The issue for me is that we need a starting eleven + bench ie 20 players who are good enough to rotate or start games at the top level of EPL and Champions League..

There is no point today having players sitting on the bench who are just there to come on for 10-15
minutes, but are not good enough to play from the start of game.

The question is would you be confident that Vieira and Nelson are good enough for that role?

Rich

Diss The idea you “have” to pack on bulk to become more robust, quicker, or explosive, is a complete fallacy. Adding too much bulk could negatively effect mobility. It’ll be different for players in different positions, there’ll be no value in Vieira having an Eddie style transformation, because he plays a completely different role in the team. Vieira is never going to offer elite hold up play, consistently run the channels, or offer any type of physical attributes, or battling consistently with defenders…. That’s flat not why we signed him. Instead of trying to physical battle defenders, he’s going to… Read more »

Dissenter

Rich ‘ Adding too much bulk could negatively effect mobility’ That we agree on, but that’s not what was proposed. I really think you’re responding like this because you think someone is trying to have the lad pack on wight like a body builder. When you compare him with diminutive players that have been successful, he was way too small. David Silva 148 lbs in his playing career Santi was 148 labs Bernardo Silva was about 141 lbs Viera we listed as 128 lbs when he joined us last season. He couldn’t withstand the the physicality , every pump sent… Read more »

Rich

Diss

You just did your usual thing with Vieira, like you do with every other new player…. Now you’re trying to claim it’s because Vieira has been hitting the gym lol…

You wrote off White, Ramsdale, Ødegaard, Vieira, Kiwior, Jorginho, Havertz… You never wanted or rated Rice.

Havertz is just your current object of hatred… While I’d agree this needs to work reasonably quickly, you’ve been willing this to fail from the off, rather than giving him a chance first.

You’re the type of guy who’d side with your neighbours cat, in a dispute with your dog.

Guns of Hackney

Yo. What’s up my cloven hoofed faithful? Everyone still okay without a few hours of the ‘source’, the ‘Real Deal’, the ‘apostle’, the ‘magic man’?

Who’s getting the business this fine, midlands 29 degree, small town based Monday afternoon?

Holla if yo hear me.

Guns of Hackney

Rich

As much as Dissenter is a sanctimonious, self righteous ignoramous, he’s totally right about Havertz. Except for Peter the pumpkin eater, no one likes him. He’s a dumpster fire.

Marko

Why is it when someone dares criticize a player sure enough there’s some idiot bringing up hate and hatred. I don’t hate Kai Havertz but it’s pretty obvious that he’s playing shit and not an 8. Unfortunately we’re stuck with him for the foreseeable in that position.

Guns of Hackney

Marko

You’re the master of hate crime

izzo

Emiratesstroller
Ff Fabio Vieira keeps racking up assists, i couldn’t give a shit if he’s nothing but a bag of bones. Thats all anyone should want from him. Why are you so obsessed with his body. Weirdos.

Marko

I feel like everyone is talking about the wrong thing today. Anybody know why the fuck we saw Zinchenko at RCM and Gabriel at LB yesterday? Or when Tomi came on he was in midfield as well? Like we got caught out a few times with simple balls because of what the manager is trying and the only reason we weren’t punished is because united are piss poor. Better teams will pounce on it.

Also White was awful yesterday along with Saka to the point where dalot looked world class

Guns of Hackney

Izzo

Dude. No one cares about Vieria’s body. We care about his ability, firstly…and that’s been lacking. And his ability to absorb a waft of air hitting him at running pace. He’s not just slim, he looks ill. Proper unwell.

Guns of Hackney

Agree with the creepy Marko. Saka was dredge. I said sell that cunny for big money…he’s a two season wonder. High roller, stroller. Not for me

jwl

I only started playing attention to football when I was in mid 20s and I have never understood why soccer people have belief that muscles are bad because they slow you down or affect technique. It is crazy that its left up to individual players if they in gym or not, muscles help in everyway even in your personal life. Vieira should have been doing daily gym routines since he arrived, he should not need cajoling to improve his health.

EdTheRed

I always give my honest opinion about this club that I (for some strange reason) care so much, so this will be no different. I was at the game yesterday. Let’s not pretend that it wasn’t a mixed bag, but since yesterday I am certainly seeing things at Arsenal as “glass half full”. And some of my questions have been answered. Good things: Arteta’s not gone completely bonkers, and I’m referring to his choice of back four. Declan Rice is worth every fckng penny we paid for him. He is amazing. He reminds me of Patrick Vieria, the energy, the… Read more »

izzo

Again couldn’t give a shit how he looks. He’s not injured and his providing what he’s meant to do “assists”. We all know he can score screamers so you all need to stop getting all hot and bothered with his physical appearance. Fucking weirdos.

Guns of SF

ETH is such a cry baby

Wicked Willy

Rusty

Thanks for your thoughts. That feels like a very fair and balanced appraisal.

gunnerman

jwl

What going on at manure, first greenwood and now antony, they collecting a cast of undesirable characters.

This has always been manure’s way. Go further back and you’ll find more examples like Keane and Cantona

McBright is Wright

Ramsdale will go higher with Raya. Tomi may not be white, but my word, the bar of getting Right back-in, is so raised with Sir, Saliba leaving me salivating for more – flanked by archangel Gabriel – No more less. Zinchenko is reechoing support we love when he reverberants the grounds and I hope we apply the shines on our shoes with Kiwi. Oh! Timber, my number one defence lumar. Sad that before you could limbar, you were pegged down. We hope to see you overcome like Simba. Water may run dry, but Walters will cascade soon. Rice, Rice, baby!… Read more »

Matt B

Brady was a wiry fella and he did okay for us

Dissenter

Monday lunch and another Rich meltdown when challenged
My Monday is complete

Positive pete

Well Tets has got another 2 wks to work with Havertz.Lets see what happens.Besides those who think he’s a lost cause I think the rest of us are prepared for a slow process with him in the hope he turns it around.After all,if he’s a success so are Arsenal.But please Mikel ease the guy in.It’s the fairest way.

Positive pete

On yesterday’s match.It was spine tingling to hear the Arsenal crowd belt out” North London forever”.Loud & proud.Finally an anthem worthy of our great club.Lets hope it’s always sung as loud each match.

R.S.P.C.Arsenal

From.tjevfirstvminute United keeper was slow with the ball coming out… we seemed to stop chasing him in the second half because he was good at bringing it out…
Unsure that he is a good shot stopper… time will tell

Nigel Tufnel

Un, Awesome comment on the last post praising Gabriel. It made my day to see a fan with principles move away from a long held belief, to go out of his way to give strong credit, not just for the single performance, but pointing towards more to come. When I talk about supporters with class, this is the best example I could possibly show you. Pierre made a great comment rightly praising Vieira who I always supported, but oddly went on to say he’s the only player we have for a “killer ball”. Un correctly pointed out that he left… Read more »

R.S.P.C.Arsenal

ES
The question is would you be confident that Vieira and Nelson are good enough for that role?

Yes.
The old adage give them enough rope to hang themselves…
Give them games ..I think they will suprise ..
Nelson has this ability of causing chaos late in games … let him try it from the off.

jwl

Arsenal –

We can confirm that our Carabao Cup third-round tie against Brentford will take place on Wednesday, September 27.

The game will take place at the Bees’ Gtech Community Stadium with a 7.45pm kick off.

Thierry Martinelli

Ramsdale is alright. Raya will only play because we have so many games to play not because of Ramsdale’s form, which I think is ok

dSidstathopoulos

Onana is erratic and uses diuretics

TheLegendaryDB106

The vision for Arsenal is clear – we’re going to use certain games to try new ideas and give minutes to players who are on the fringe. That keeps players fresh, it gives them experience in a live environment, and it makes Arsenal unpredictable. So we should expect to see ESR in the next couple of games then, I hope, if what Pedro is saying is correct? Writing Havertz off after 4 games is a fool’s game – I honestly can’t believe it has so much traction. I won’t say that Havertz is being written off but I do find… Read more »

Rich

Diss Just pointing out some truths on how you consistently treat new signings for the club you claim to support…. But in fairness you’re always having some girly meltdown about something… If it wasn’t this…. it would be something else. Having some lunatic fantasy about turning Fabio Vieira into a mini Arnold Schwarzenegger… I don’t know what type of desire that is, or where it comes from?… But each to their own I suppose… I just don’t believe for a second that your cunning plan/fantasy will be particularly productive with this guy, picture taken 14 months ago: https://twitter.com/DailyAFC/status/1538922969690521600 And here… Read more »

Bertie Mee

Rice is an excellent buy and Arteta is developing tactics to strengthen the side.BUT Havertz had the lowest XG of ANY regular forward in the Premier League last season. He is the worst finisher in the league . His assist record is mediocre and no Chelsea fan I’ve me5can remember him having a standout game in three years. Rice has had two in four games . Havertz is the most overhyped player we’ve ever bought and his fee was catastrophically high, I fear he will crash and burn

Dissenter

Rich Have to note you’re coming across as a d-bag because you’re agreeing with me [as well as lots of posters] that Vierra needed to gain weight As you can see yourself, and from the players account that he has indeed gained muscle in the right areas. That skinny dude in the first pic wasn’t ready for the premier league. What are you smoking man? .I posted quotes from the player saying he’s working had to improve his conditioning. Then you put up instagram posts that confirms it…and yet you’re still stomping around? You’re not arguing with me mate. You’re… Read more »

Northbanker

The only reason so many posters on here envisage Vieira being a 90 minute player is because he isn’t getting that opportunity

Let’s see what he can do once we have to start rotating ( assuming Art can bring himself to do that this time)

The trouble is most players need a decent spell of game time to get into the rhythm of the team

Nigel Tufnel

Pedro, Another brilliant post. Basically shredding the doomers, and it’s been a long time coming. A favorite part – common sense “Arteta needed Gabriel today to deal aggressively with a brilliant forward line. He was always going to revert back to Ben White and Zinchenko against the best teams because they are first choice.” … I’ve been predicting that lineup for 3 weeks as everyone has been crying about Artetas first 3 starting 11’s….. But the clowns never referred back to the lineup we used against Man City in the shield, to understand. Dissenter even insisting yesterdays team was only… Read more »

Spanishdave

We have had numerous slightly built players in the past so the debate is pointless.
George Best was the same dripping wet.
It’s what the do that counts .

Tom

Now that the TW is shut it is high time for some league table predictions.
1.City
2.Arseanal
3.Liverpool
4.Tottenham
5.United
6.Brighton
7.Newcastle
8.Chelsea
9.Villa
10.Westham

These are my top half table predictions, since I have zero interest in the bottom half.

When the rest of you get tired of squabbling over Vieira’s Greek god like physique and Havertz dumpster fire of a transfer maybe you can post yours.

Guns will consult his cat on the matter I’m sure.

Bob N16

No2 spelling is a little Freudian Tom?

Tom

Bob, 😂

izzo

of course a spud fan can’t spell Arsenal.

Danny S

At the risk of summoning Pierre to tell us all how right he was, just imagine if we’d have spent 30m on Maddison and not 65m on Havertz.

Maddison would have eaten that role up.

Mysticleaves

Since haverts wasn’t dropped, I’m sure that if Partey wasn’t injured, Gabriel and Zinchenko would not have started either.

Youdaman

So we are supposed to wait for Havertz to get his confidence back And click into gear. A serious question for Pedro, so what exactly does Havertz excels at?
Once he is firing on all cylinders what can we
Expect of him? Have seen nothing from him
In three seasons in Chelsea, or the few games
With us.
So what are his supposed strengths?

rollen

Cmon, game was pretty bad, another propaganda piece.
We looked much worst than last year. Midfield was very easy bypassed even with Rice playing well. We nearly lost to the worst Manure side in like forever.
Havertz should not be automatic starter just because Arteta has a point to prove.
Hopefully we will improve soon.

Tom

What can I say Izzo, spelling bee was never my forte.
Kinda like you and making accurate predictions.
Jesus out till Xmas, eh?

Mysticleaves

Just like how he stumbled on Martinelli.

Just like how he stumbled on ESR.

All because of injury. Also remember he played Willian to the ground when everyone was telling him it wasn’t working my match day 6.

Arteta is a stubborn man. If he persists with Haverts when it is clearly not working, I hope he dies on that hill.

Mysticleaves

I thought Haverts was supposed to be this physical player with height that has very good ball heading abilities. We were supposed to go long with him in the side or atleast cross the ball to utilise his biggest strength? Where has it gone? Why are we still playing crab football?

izzo

Nobody had a clue about Jesus’s injury. Nice try though.

Dissenter

Nigel I told you that you have no way of knowing whether Arteta was going to revert back to the formation he deployed yesterday and because Partey was out .. the rest of us will never know that’ too. You’re forgetting that Arteta is jailing about , unpredictability” a lot which goes against the hats you’re proposing This is Arteta from the post match conference He was asked about Partey. “”We need a few more tests,” Mikel Arteta revealed ahead of the match. “He felt something in training and we think he’ll be out for a couple of weeks. “He… Read more »

Dissenter

*You’re forgetting that Arteta has been talking a lot about

Tom

I appreciate self deprecating humor as much as the next guy but no need calling yourself a nobody, Izzo.
I’m sure you’re somebody to someone.

Pierre

Danny s
“At the risk of summoning Pierre to tell us all how right he was, just imagine if we’d have spent 30m on Maddison and not 65m on Havertz.”

Predicting Maddison would be a success wasn’t difficult….Unless your name is Rich..

Rich

Pierre

Excuse me for not consistently wanking over a Spurs player….

The spunk drenched Ozil poster is bad enough, the Ødegaard dart board was weird…. But a spunk drenched Maddison poster in his Spurs top… Is a step too far.

I think you need some professional help.

Pierre

I went fishing and I caught Rich….he always takes the bait.

Tom

“izzoAugust 3, 2023 00:39:20
Jesus ain’t coming back in three weeks. If we had sense it will be end of the year or January……”

Good call.

Tom

Wait a minute Rich, technically Pierre was wanking over a Leicester player.

raptora

Last time I checked Maddison became a spud a couple of months ago. Pierre been talking about him for 3-4 years.

Andy1886

And by that standard Rich was wanking over Chelsea’s Caicedo..

Tom

I was actually surprised City didn’t go for Maddison.
At £40m he was the bargain of the window.

Northbanker

Time for bed now children

Samesong

Too much wanking going on.

Northbanker

Or us Tom for that matter

I can’t help but think another 20m and we could have had Bellingham rather than Havertz. Probably similar wages

Tom

Northbanker, Bellingham was probably always going to Madrid, but Maddison would’ve jumped at a chance to play for us.

TeeCee

Pedro,
People aren’t ragging Havertz after 4 games, it’s 3 seasons and 4 games! The fella has had a handful of good games for Chelsea in 3 seasons. He’s technically gifted but he’s awkward, he’s not natural on the ball or moving for it, he’s like a giraffe on ice. I hope he comes good but I doubt it.

Billp79

Arsenal forgot the memo about keeping the ball on raahfords left foot

Mr Serge

Tom calling us Arseanal is all I need to know that he is a spud I only ever suspected in the past