LOW BLOCK MUSCLE MEMORY (LONG READ)

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It does feel like a majority of Gooners are finally coming around to the idea that the weekend draw (reaction so bad I listed it as a loss yesterday by accident) wasn’t due to a shocking performance, but on the balance of play, down to two problems.

  • We made two very dim defensive errors that received the ultimate punishment
  • We didn’t perform to xG – which means the quality of our chances merited 3 goals and we only scored 2.

This tweet thread from @Bielsista summed up our first three games quite nicely.

This new unpredictable system we’re playing is delivering more possession, more xG, more shots, but less goals, and one more goal conceded compared to the opening 3 games last season.

Performance ALWAYS catches up with expected performance. Overperforming like United has been is lovely in the short term, but for me, when you’re trialing a new system, it’s great that the underlying numbers point to it working (and it failing because of a fluke) – because our players are really good and it will bang. So in short, you might hate the system, but it’s doing its job, and the solves for course correcting it are simple.

I do want to double down on some details I think are missing from the conversation.

Now, I have no clarity on the plans of Gabi M. He might be out the door by the time I wake up – but I suspect it’s too late in the window for a move like that, though I can guarantee longterm, he’ll be out.

So why is Arteta benching someone he played every game last season?

Low Blocks.

Mikel Arteta said in February that Arsenal had faced 16 blow blocks.

“We have faced 16 low blocks this season and we have won a lot of those games. Then it’s about efficiency. When they block everything and the ball doesn’t go in the net, it’s great (for them). If you win 2-0, then you attacked the low block really well. Against Aston Villa it will have to be a really high level to beat them.”

That was match day 24 – 66% of games up until that point Arteta deemed we’d faced a form of low block. To double down on that, he recently said that we actually faced more low blocks than Manchester City last season. That has been a problem for us. Clearly, we’ve mostly beaten them, but when we don’t, everyone says we’ve been sussed. This season, we’ve faced Forest who played a deep-deep block, followed by Palace and Fulham who just played normal deep blocks.

The new system we’ve been trialing has been a tactic in unleashing more ball-playing players by taking out bodies we haven’t really needed against weaker opposition.

The complicating factor has been losing Jurrien Timber – a true unlock in this system. Thomas Partey is playing right-back because he’s unreal in possession – but he’s only there because Timber is out and Tomiyasu can’t match him on the ball. Kiwior started at the weekend for two reasons – Zinchenko is making his way back to fitness, and Kiwior has been excellent in training. The reality of Zinchenko is he’s injury-prone, so giving Kiwior minutes against weak teams gives him the chance to feel out the Premier League for real – versus waiting until February when it really means something and he has to come in against City.

You can hate the system, but if you think the game was lost because Thomas Partey was getting skinned for 90, you’re wrong. If you think Kiwior was getting brutalised on the left, you’d also be wrong. Were they as good as Timber and Zini? No. But they offered more to the game than Tomi and Tierney would have. A subjective opinion, but one shared by the coaching staff.

It’s also worth noting that Saliba has played on the right and left side of defence this season. Partly, because Ben White is better with the ball at his feet than Gabriel, but I also suspect Arteta might see White as the superior and more experienced defender – he’ll want him in the middle if Saliba gets injured this season and he might even want him to start if Gabriel picks up a knock.

There are lots of scenarios Arteta has been working through – and whether people like it or not, the best place to test these things is in a live environment. It allows players to get used to the pressure in a controlled setting – versus an emergency one. Arteta did not test these scenarios last year which led him to lean on less innovative ideas during the backend of the season. Thomas Partey at right back and Ben White at centre back might have closed the gap on City – but there was no muscle memory for that type of move. We opted for Rob Holding and the rest is history.

There also needs to be some recognition of the challenge Arsenal is taking on this season. The best coach that has ever lived, with the most expensively assembled squad of all time, all peaking as I write, with a freak of a striker on 1 million euros a week. We aren’t topping them doing the same thing we did last season. The club has to invest in better ideas and we have to take the pain bedding them in. If you want a progressive coach – you have to accept that they have to experiment and occasionally get things wrong. It’s the only way to learn.

Arsenal also wants to become a sustainable club, they aren’t betting on one season of success, they want to invest in players that can dominate for 8 years when they peak. We aren’t going to peak this season, but the way we’re building the squad, it’s clear that’s not the plan (focus on young guys). The club wants to peak when City takes a shock to the system.

Does that mean we can’t win the league this season? No. But I suspect the most pressing matter is sustaining what we did last year without crashing because we can’t handle 3 games a week from September. Just read what Martinelli said about CL this season.

“I think we need to prepare ourselves for the worst, we need to prepare ourselves for the best teams and the whole team is doing that,”

“I think we are ready for a new challenge.”

“It’s so important (our squad depth) because we have too many games in the season and it’s going to be tough again,”

When you read that, you can start to understand the magnitude of the challenge, and maybe why we’re testing the squad hard early on.

All these things are painful to read – but they are based on the reality of the Premier League and what we’re up against.

Again, I’m not ruling out winning it all this year – I’m just saying a lot has to go for us for that to happen.

What I do believe is when this squad of 23.75-year-olds peaks, playing an unpredictable style no one can suss, we are going to be unstoppable. I just don’t think we’re there yet. We don’t have a Haaland, we don’t have right-wing cover, we’re not experienced enough, and I think the Timber injury has put us back a few steps.

If you don’t like the approach, tell me a better one?

Spend £900m like Chelsea – what has that got them?

Invest in a more seasoned manager – like Ten Hag? Mourinho? Conte? Carlo? Are there even any ‘we should have’ names left at this point? They’ve all come and gone, tails between their legs.

Do a Newcastle? Sure. I like what they’re doing. But is it better than what we’re offering?

Try what Klopp is doing? Do they look close to winning the league? I’m not so sure.

I like our idea the most right now. Young, technically brilliant, with a very innovative idea that will make us extremely difficult to play against, trying ready before the big changes at City. The shame is we have to wait for another club to dip before we can reach the promised land… but that dip will come one way or the other. Then we’ll be ready.

Ok, shorter one today. See you in the comments. x

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Marko

The city game was a draw and then it went straight to pens. It’s not a great achievement

Northbanker

Rich – you still happy with Havertz then. I know it’s early days and all that and keep hearing (esp from you) about his great off-the-ball runs but means f*** all if you do nothing on the ball

Personally staggered ESR is not playing as a sub for Havertz. If it’s going to be true competition and rotation then it has to be 50:50 until at least the point when it is clear who is the better player.

Marko

China he’s Danish

Terraloon

Chris

I ask sincerely because I have lost track of how many midfielders they have bought.

From last seasons squad they have let 7 go

Kante, Kovacic, Mount, Loftus Cheek, Zahkaria Havertz, & Zieych

This season they have bought in 3. Caseido, Ugochukwu & Lavia

Marko

Mudryk ESR swap rumors are hilarious. It would be very interesting to see how people react to that if it came off. But I think what is likely to happen is he stays and barely plays

EdTheRed

If you can’t see a problem with our performances this season, then you haven’t been watching it. It’s as simple as that.

BTW what was our XG when it came to players running into each other?
What XG is assigned to a manager who defends 2:1 lead vs 10 men Fulham at home?

No stat will show you that data, will it.

zaco

I don’t understand how some people think,
You have a better player (ESR) in your hand and want to swap him for somehow worse (Mudryk), in the hope that the worse player would somehow, someday come good, like that has ever happened with the likes of Willian, Luiz, Gallas or any ex Chelsea we’ve had?.

Guns of Hackney

Rich

You’re too positive. You have to embrace the dark. I like you too but the positivity doesn’t do it for me.

Aaron

Free ESR

Rotate and sub players

Never buy from manure and the chavs-EVER! cech was one of the worst I have even seen.

AFC goes all turtle against Fulham and blows it.

Will say it again, when Saliba gets overplayed this year and breaks, you can forget any formation, there will be no cover in defense.

AFC needs to buy a few more defenders, end of……

Defense will keep AFC from reaching it’s potential any year.

Mr Serge

China1August 29, 2023 15:07:13
Man U appear to be interested in HojbjergAnother meh signing of a player just because he’s Dutch just like that elite CF they got last season in Jan lolI’m all for it. Hope they spend big. He’s not even good by Spurs’ standard so aside from being Dutch I’m really not sure why he’s be looked at by Utd

He is danish China

TR7

Selling ESR will be nothing short of a crime in my opinion.

Chris

Terraloon Cheers. They have let a few go then but I’m Not convinced ESR wouldn’t face a similar situation there as he does here. If ESR genuinely wanted to leave for minutes then not sure Chelsea is the place to go. Not sure who else would be willing to splash out on him though, given his fitness issues. And I doubt we would accept less than say £40 million for him. I’d rather see him go out on loan somewhere, home or abroad, in an attempt to get his groove and form Back, rather than kick his heels on the… Read more »

Marko

Tierney and Tavares looking like loans and I’d imagine Holding too cause who’d pay for him. Looking like Balogun the only sale going through this week

Dissenter

“Hyper hysterical bedwetters are out in force today.” aka people who disagreed with me

China1

Oh I thought he’s Dutch

Never mind

Danish and average in any case!

Mr Serge

Tr7 totally agree with you and other selling ESR is a crime
Why he does not get minutes is beyond me

EdTheRed

Any update on club’s website about how is Win feeling following draw at home to Fulham?

Has Elneny remembered to water the tree?

Dissenter

Ed
“Any update on club’s website about how is Win feeling following draw at home to Fulham?”

The doggy’s middle name is “Less”, He’ll be just fine

Mikel Coneteta

Knew the same people would be frothing at the mouth over the ESR rumours.

Would actually love to see a Mudryk swap occur, mainly because I think both players are nothing but promise and the Ukrainian at least promises us the sort of thing we simply don’t have – plus he stays fit.

Hale End sentiment will likely win out in this one though.

EdTheRed

Serge

I know it’s hard for some people to accept it, but everything goes back to the manager. I think writing was on the wall for ESR the moment Arteta laid his eyes on Fabio Vieira.
Now we can speculate if Vieira’s first decent appearance in Arsenal shirt had triggered the decision to sell him, but from where I’m sitting, that could have been reason enough.

raptora

Fabrizio Romano 4m
Nottingham Forest, close to reaching an agreement for Nuno Tavares! Loan deal discussed with Arsenal after new round of talks 🚨🌳 #NFFC

It could be completed in 24h and it will include an option to buy clause.

Told Nuno already said yes after interest revealed two weeks ago.
___________________________________

His contract is until 2025. Interesting what the plan is in a year when he’ll have just 1 year left. How do clubs sell players but we can’t? Nuno did well at OM and is young ffs.

EdTheRed

Just to remind amnesiacs on Le Grove, ESR was our top goalscorer in season 21/22. You know, the season when Arteta’s ‘enablers’ were celebrating 5th place, The Great Success!

rollen

It’s all good but we need to manage games way better and stop this switching off with small leads without that it’s same old Arsenal.
Timber is a big loss, agree.

Foxy

I seem to recall Pepe being one of our higher goal scorers as well but that did not help him impress Arteta either. Remember it is all about the process

Mikel Coneteta

“Just to remind amnesiacs on Le Grove, ESR was our top goalscorer in season 21/22.”

No he wasn’t.

Saka scored 11, ESR scored 10, Odegaard scored 7, Martinelli scored 6.

Hope that helps.

Sly

ESR and tierney are unfortunately injury prone and have fallen down the totem pole
Partey is being phased out too
Cut throat approach but necessary
Timbers injury contributes immeasurably to our defensive dysfunction
I think we’ll see a more familiar setup with zinchenko and Gabriel back for the united game and Benny in RB
Won’t last tho as zinchenko needs wrapping in cotton wool

Adams

According to sami mokbel from daily mail. Arsenal just rejected an offer from chelsea for smith rowe and are unwilling to sell. So we can calm down for now.

Pierre

Eddie a nailed on starter this weekend if Arteta has any sense، hate to think where we would be without Eddie’s contributions this season.

Marko

Start of the summer I was perfectly fine with ESR and Partey potentially being sold if it meant a better balance to the squad but this late with no likely replacements to come in and the manager doing his best to screw it all up I just don’t know now

Adams

Selling smith rowe will be the greatest mistake arteta will make. Smith rowe made him who he is today, if smith rowe did’nt play that chelsea match it would have been a different story for arteta today. Smith rowe is a unique midfielder and the best ball carrier in our midfield nobody comes close to him on that aspect. His only problem is fitness. Arteta will lose the fanbase if he sells the smith and i say this as a big fan of arteta and the work he has done at arsenal

Adams

Nketiah has definetly earned the right to start against united.

Adams

Same as viera

Pierre

Coneteta
Season 21/22 premier league

Smith rowe 0.47 goals per 90
Saka 0.33 goals per 90
Martinelli 0.29 goals per 90
Odegaard 0.23 goals per 90

Hope that helps.

Pierre

Coneteta
“Would actually love to see a Mudryk swap occur”

Clueless.

Marko

Isn’t that the season we finished 8th? So ESR did well in the worst season in recent history.

Andy1886

Pierre, common sense says Eddie starts, knowing Arteta thought it’ll be Jesus. #Unpredictability.

Andy1886

Missing out on Mudryk has been our luckiest escape in years. Let it go.

Wegotsupermik

Every transfer window there are a series of posts about the 100s million we will make from player sales (listing the players and the minimum fees we will get) … and every transfer window we end up either paying players to leave, sending them on loan or at best getting cut priced fees. And the same posters say next time we will learn and sell better … but it just repeats again. It’s like the “stupid mistakes” Pedro has been saying fit years that we “just” need to finally eliminate from our game and which are “easy” to fix. Not… Read more »

Madhu

Chelsea haven’t suggested any names for ESR swap. But they are supposedly willing to negotiate on player swap. It’s all pretty depressing. I still can’t get over the sake of Willock. Who would argue he couldn’t have done the Havertz job. Ridiculous really.

local

Re ESR,
I like the guy and hope he does well wherever he goes.

Maybe there is some fitness/mentality issue that we don’t know about.
Maybe Arteta asked him to play in a different position and he refused.
Maybe Arteta simply doesn’t fancy him.

I just hope we don’t sell him to any of our rivals.

The Magalhaes situation is also intriguing, he suffered from some judgement/decision-making errors but was not as bad as some were claiming.

Pierre

The writing was on the wall for smith rowe the day Odegaard arrived on loan as he never again played the role he was born to play. He did fantastically well out wide in the 21/22 season، although I think playing such a demanding role out wide contributed to his groin problems، Smith Rowe’s body is built for short sharp bursts، that’s why the no. 10 role suited him so well.. Smith rowe is not and never will be an Arteta type player، Arteta regards off the ball work more important than on the ball talent and that’s where Smith… Read more »

Foxy

Interesting article in Mondays The i newspaper questioning if Arteta’s ego is getting in the way of sensible team selection especially as regards Havertz who no one other than Arteta seems to rate.

https://inews.co.uk/sport/football/kai-havertz-mikel-arteta-maximum-fluidity-arsenal-2575415

I wonder whether journalists have had enough of Arteta being a bit of a smart ass in press conferences even though he has no real track record to back up his perceived arrogance.

Raulishuss

Also he has often praised Ozil which probably didn’t go down well with Arteta and we all know how Arteta holds grudges.

Clueless

Raulishuss

him so well..Smith rowe is not and never will be an Arteta type player، Arteta regards off the ball work more important than on the ball talent and that’s where Smith rowe fails.
Whilst Arteta is manager Smith Rowe’s career will be wasted at Arsenal، his choice is to wait until Arteta leaves or look for pastures new now

It’s funny how sad your life is TBH.

Pierre

Raulishuss
Smith Rowe not being an Arteta type player is neither a criticism nor a compliment….it’s a fact.

But of course you would know that.

Marko

I remember there was people who actually believed we were getting 30 million for Tavares. Hilarious

Rich

Madhu When I suggested we give Willock a run of 10-15 games back in the first half of 2020/21, I had almost complete pushback, Smith Rowe was out with a shoulder injury at the time. Willock was labelled never going to be good enough etc etc…. But he at least did things our other midfielders at the time didn’t, like make off the ball runs forward, attack the box, and get some shots off. Interestingly Havertz is just 2 months older than Willock, and stylistically they’re similar types of players… I’m not convinced either will ever develop into high touch… Read more »

Nigel Tufnel

I said here a few days ago that Arteta’s plan all along was to bring Gabriel back in against Man United after 3 lesser attacking threat teams. No doubt in my mind about that for the past 3 weeks. If Zinchenko can start, it’s even MORE likely. Then dissenter came at me with “how can you know that?” … Maybe I don’t know for certain, but it’s a very strong suspicion. A other reason: what was the lineup for the community shield ? Stop spinning yourselves into a tizzy over every little thing about Arsenal. I like the manager making… Read more »

Foxy

If Arteta is going to back Havertz big time the he needs to change the way we are set up and play to suit him like Pep did with Haaland. Just shoehorning him into our current high tempo intricate attacking style is not going to work on the evidence so far.

Dissenter

Andy1886
“Missing out on Mudryk has been our luckiest escape in years. Let it go.”
Mikel the miracle worker can do anything, just send the broken Chelsea rejects to him and viola …

bacaryisgod

Rich-interesting stats but one key stat is that Willock cost us £0 and Havertz £65.

bacaryisgod

Havertz £65m that is!

Foxy

I hope you are right Nigel we just must not lose or even draw with Man U.

ESR to Chelsea doesn’t make sense with them not being in Europe, unless they have a big ESR size hole in their current line up. He could flourish under Klopp or Emery though.

Dissenter

***Mikel the miracle worker can do anything, just send the broken Chelsea rejects to him and voila …

Marko

Willock tends to actually run at people unlike Havertz

bacaryisgod

We’ve seen Poch transform Sterling back to his best. If we’re seeing very little out of Mudryk, it’s not the greatest sign in the world. If Poch can work miracles on Mudryk, that’ll be a really scary one-two punch Chelsea will have out wide.

Dissenter

Something tells me that Willock can play that Havertz role a lot better than the £65 million man

local

“Arteta regards off the ball work more important than on the ball talent and that’s where Smith rowe fails.”

I also think that attacking midfielders should help with the pressing and if ESR is unable/unwilling to do so then maybe it’s better for both parties that he leaves.

This could also be the reason why we never went for Eze or Maddison as both don’t do much defensive work.

However all of these people would have contributed more from an attacking perspective than Kai has so far.

raptora

‌John Cross, Mirror, 17 Aug 2023 But Timber’s absence is unlikely to stop Kieran Tierney leaving – with Real Sociedad keen – while West Ham and Forest have both shown interest in Nuno Tavares. Forest are hoping to do a £30m deal. Arteta also appeared to rule out Gabriel leaving before the end of the window despite interest in the left-sided centre half from Saudi Arabia. _______________________________ Pedro Nuno Tavares is being touted at £30m and people are shocked. They shouldn’t be. He has a very unique profile in European football that is desirable. His power and speed are unmatched.… Read more »

WengerEagle

Yeah we ain’t getting close to 30m for Tavares.

More like 15m I’d say, which would be decent considering he only cost 8m.

WengerEagle

To call ESRs fitness into question is fair game but labelling him unfulfilled hype like Mudryk? Pretty dense considering he has already proven himself for an 18 month period and hit double digits PL goals without pens

Mikel Coneteta

ESR is entirely unfulfilled hype at this point. Being a standout for a woefully shit mid-table Arsenal team isn’t the commendation some believe it to be. Arsenal are several levels above that team of two years ago and whereas players like Saka, Martinelli, and Odegaard (who were the leading scorers two years ago alongside ESR) are now firmly established top class talents at the top end of the PL – Emile isn’t, he’s still just promise. Mudryk is in the same bracket albeit differently because he’s just arrived here. But fact remains that neither ESR nor Mudryk are established top… Read more »

Marko

Loan and,12 million option to buy. Even that is generous

bacaryisgod

Raptora

‘Forest are hoping to do a £30m deal’.

I think John Cross meant that Forest are hoping to sell Tavares for 30m once they get him for under 10m from us!

raptora

BiG, now that would make perfect sense.

Dissenter

Mikel
When the conversation shifted to ESR, I just knew you would make or support that type of comment.
You’re ever ready to defend Havertz/Mount but will jump all over ESR
Is Havertz in that “unfulfilled hype” as well, given that he’s been pretty much shit in the middling Chelsea setups he was part of , except for the brief CL run.
Havertz impact at Chelsea was no different from the likes of Pepe at Arsenal, who is universally accepted as a flop.

Matt B

ESR is entirely unfulfilled hype at this point. Being a standout for a woefully shit mid-table Arsenal team isn’t the commendation some believe it to be.

Is this a joke Mikel?

Havertz now and in his last 3 years is nowhere near ESR was during the season you refer to and to suggest otherwise is laughable.

Rich

Bacary The same people who kicked Ødegaard through his development stage, and labelled Vieira a nothing player last season at 22….. Are the same ones who’d have kicked Willock if we’d decided to develop him back in 2020 -2023….. But are now swooning over him. Maybe we could have developed Willock to attack space higher up the pitch, forcing turnovers, and have him attacking the last line… He’s certainly got the pace, and is a decent enough finisher. But overall I’m not disappointed we sold Willock, but signed Ødegaard that summer. What I’m certain of though, is that we need… Read more »

Dissenter

Rich
“The same people who kicked Ødegaard through his development stage, and labelled Vieira a nothing player last season at 22…..Are the same ones who’d have kicked Willock if we’d decided to develop him back in 2020 -2023….. But are now swooning over him.”

If you’re referring to me then you need to take your head out of your ass ‘cos you’re misguided
Always rated Willock, always defended him and was crushed we sold him. I got dog abuse here for backing him.

Un

MarkoAugust 29, 2023 16:52:13
Isn’t that the season we finished 8th? So ESR did well in the worst season in recent history.

Marko
What a painfully narrow lens with which to view that season. We had a squad that was short of its attacking powers. Auba and laca dropped off a cliff
Emery sold all of our creative players
ESR picked the team up and shone with little support and dragged us up the table with Saka. If he can do that in a struggling team then why could he not In a team as good as we are now?

bacaryisgod

Rich

For the most part I tend to agree with you althoughHavertz is still a puzzling transfer to me (even though he’s a much better player than many make him out to be).

There might be a little irony in this situation where last season’s most unpopular player, Fabio Vieira, looks to be coming good at the possible expense of Havertz, this season’s most unpopular player.

Dissenter

Un,

“Emery sold all of our creative players”

You’re back to peddling conspiracy theories again?

How did Emery “sell” anyone

Un

Diss

Wilshere
Mkhitaryan
Ozil
Ramsey
Santi

All dropped or given away for free
We then had no creative players until Arteta brought in ESR and Odegaard

raptora

Rich, If we go back to White playing at RB and Zinny at LB, meaning the triangle on the right that worked so well of Bukayo, Ode and Benny will be restored, do you think we can see a similar triangle between Marti, Havertz and Jesus? Before, Xhaka would be the one doing a bit of playmaking and giving sweet passes to Marti but Xhaka wasn’t making off-the-ball runs behind the opposition’s defence. Havertz makes them all the time, I just don’t see the playmaker on the right to use this strong quality of his. Imo, his profile is a… Read more »

Un

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=GKJ5wqKjous

Interesting discussion centred around the differences between men and women In sport, academia and socially. Thought it was quite poignant after the recent chat about “the kiss”

raptora

Marko: “Isn’t that the season we finished 8th? So ESR did well in the worst season in recent history.”

No, this is the season Holding was sent off for 2 yellows in the first half vs Spuds and we lost 3:0. Next game we went to St. James’ Park and got absolutely destroyed. Our top 4 crusade ended and we finished 5th.

Un

If ESR is sold to chelsea i would be extremely unhappy. This would surpass letting Martinez go for a paltry £24m
I wouldn’t swap him for mudryk and I rate mudryk as a player with huge potential. ESR has equal or even superior potential and is our own academy graduate
Hopefully Arteta gives him the sort of opportunities that vieira and Havertz have had to prove he can be an arsenal great

Un

Rap

It’s both those seasons
Was
January to January of both seasons

Marko

Wilshere – shite and broken.
Mkhitaryan – shite for us
Ozil – uninterested, overpaid and shite the last few seasons
Ramsey – shite and broken
Santi – absolutely broken at the end there

Marko

Luton working on a loan deal for Holding btw. That’s about his level

Raulishuss

Smith Rowe not being an Arteta type player is neither a criticism nor a compliment….it’s a fact.

Pierre esr has played more times under arteta than any other arsenal manager so shut up with your facts cause it ain’t

raptora

Don,
The stat Pierre gave is from season 21/22 so it’s that season we finished 5th.

ESR scored 10 goals in 1920 mins.
Bukayo scored 11 goals in 2988 mins. (2 pens)

Dissenter

“Wilshere – shite and broken.
Mkhitaryan – shite for us
Ozil – uninterested, overpaid and shite the last few seasons
Ramsey – shite and broken
Santi – absolutely broken at the end there”

…and Emery did not “sell” any of these five players

Still waiting on Un to explain how a head coach managed to ‘sell” anyone when we had 2-3 people over seeing him

Un

Marko

Wilshere best midfielder of his age group
Mkhitaryan extremely talented player who looked much better before and after emery
Ozil yeah ok
Santi wasn’t actually broken
Ramsey best season he had apart from his 2013 year
All had value
All were given away or dropped
Point stands

Un

Diss

Ramsey left on a free adapter bueng dropped for half a season
Wilshere and santi given away
Mkhitaryan loaned
Ozil dropped

Don’t forget the big talk emery delivered in the beginning about how important Ramsey and Ozil were and how he’s build
Our team around them only to drop both 5 weeks into the season
Ozil was a bell end and had it coming. The rest was bad business in my opinion

Un

Rap
Ok I can’t be bothered to go back and check the stats but I’m sure his best period was a jan-jan period across 2021 and he was injured in jan 2022 again and never got his spot back

Nigel Tufnel

Foxy,
Great point about Klopp and Emery with ESR! I could really see it.

WengerEagle

”I don’t care about the sentiment behind smith-rowe or his 10 goals for a terrible Arsenal team. Pepe scored 10 for us in the league to the season before and he was/is garbage.”

Yeah, this is simply dreadful commentary.

If you’re really comparing ESR to Pepe in terms of contribution past goals alone then there’s nothing more to be said really.

Dissenter

Un
You still don’t get it
Emery didn’t sell anyone
The one player he told to fock off was Mustafi…the club overruled him and kept the corrosive player in the squad. He was one the problem players that stymied Arteta.
He wanted Zaha, the club brought him Pepe
Emery wanted Nkukun, the club didn’t take his recommendations
Emery wanted Nzonzi, the club overruled him

Emery didn’t have any powers to buy anone.

raptora

Raul: “Pierre esr has played more times under arteta than any other arsenal manager so shut up with your facts cause it ain’t” Surely you’re trolling. Emery promoted him to the first team with 3 starts in Europa League in 2018. The Smith was 18 years and 2 months old at the time. Ljungberg gave ESR his PL debut in December 2019. The Smith was 19 years and 4 months old at the time. A few days later Arteta took over and send him on loan to Huddersfield. You are acting like you discovered electricity or something that ESR has… Read more »

WengerEagle

I don’t get either why ESR is having it held against him that he put up that season for a fringe top 8 Arsenal because it’s never been held against Saka or others in past years.

I’d love to know Coneteta what it is that Havertz has done to impress you more in his 3 seasons at Chelsea then ESR in those 18 months of regular game-time before his injury issues. Because if it’s the CL Final goal alone then I have an Eder or a Divock Origi to offer you as a Jesus replacement.

Un

Diss
Emery had the power over team selection
He chose to end wilshere and cazorla arsenal career
He chose to take Ramsey’s offer off the table
He chose to drop Ozil and Mkhitaryan
Come on

Dissenter

Why isn’t there talk about Elneny moving out to Saudi or wherever?

Un

Eagle

Agree entirely
Why would any gooner attempt to discredit ESR’s breakout season?

Un

Diss
Yeah and he then threw a tantrum and played Torreira as a defensive 10 when he played so well for half a season as a dm
He was never cut out to be manager of a prestigious club like arsenal
He’s a picky underdog
He is where he belongs

raptora

Coneteta: “Being a standout for a woefully shit mid-table Arsenal team isn’t the commendation some believe it to be.”

Arsenal finished 5th the season ESR scored 10.

Un

Coneteta
Maybe we shouldn’t have signed Declan Rice then. Or Ben white.

Marko

Santi wasn’t actually broken

He was missing for like a year and a half and reportedly nearly lost his ankle. He absolutely needed to be released

Un

Marko
Yeah
Then he went and played his best football for two seasons
🥱
Who you trying to kid
It was a shit decision to let someone of that quality leave
And for zero pounds Sterling. Best currency in the world btw 😜