ACCEPTING THE PAIN OF PROGRESS + FIRING UP THE 12TH MAN (LONG READ)

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Arsenal drew against Fulham, and there have been many meltdowns. My group chats, Twitter, Arsenal fans sacrificing themselves to the gods in the streets.

It was only a draw folks; it’s really not the end of the world.

There are two things that need straightening out for me.

1.Why we drew

I’ve seen people picking on Havertz, blaming Martinelli, and digging out the Trossard performance. It wasn’t an attacking issue. They did their job. We created 19 chances, 11 shots were put on target, the quality of the chances merited a 3+ for xG and we scored two goals.

Two goals against Fulham and the best shot stopper in the league is very, very good. It doesn’t matter what you thought of the system or the personnel, if you’re criticizing the forwards, you are looking in the wrong place.

The issue was the defence and there was a very specific problem: Individual errors.

Bukayo Saka gave it away uncharacteristically. Perriera tried to chip Ramsdale and scuffed it past him. A total freak. Should Partey have moved into midfield so quickly? Hindsight, no. But we’re at a level nowhere you don’t expect Saka to play a through ball for an opposition attacker.

Zinchenko gave the ball away trying to play an unnecessary ball in a game we should have been killing.

The system can’t really save you in either of those situations unless you are being really critical and maybe a bit hopeful. Could Ramsdale have made sure a big man was on the front post? Maybe. But is that all on him? The fault is how the corner happened.

The good news is reducing brainfarts from quality players should be a fairly straightforward challenge to overcome. It’s a concentration issue. The biggest challenge we have in the area beyond the individual is early goals becoming our thing, a bit like it was under Conte at Spurs last season.

But in short, we’re not going to drop two points to many teams this season when we record 3 xG and concede less than 0.5. To put a finer point on it for the xG haters.

Teams that registered more than 2.5 xG this weekend.

Arsenal

City

United

West Ham

Villa

Only 2 of those teams didn’t score 3 – Arsenal & City

Only 1 team didn’t win – Arsenal

A little bump of copium for you there.

2. Why we’re changing

I chatted with three different groups of people yesterday that all reported the same thing: The atmosphere at the stadium has changed and it’s not like it was last year.

There are some soft reasons for that – it’s harder to get a ticket, the make-up of the stadium is more random, and maybe a reduction in allocations for the noise makers has had some bearing.

But the hard reason? Expectation. Every group said the same thing. Last season, we were underdogs. This season, every fan that is sitting in that stadium has shifted their expectations to CHAMPIONS ELECT.

It’s not YOUR fault if you feel like this. Arsenal finished a close second last year, we added some serious equipment to the side this summer, and we tied elite boys to contracts, and now we see them as MEN.

I wrote a few months ago that Arteta should do a better job explaining his plans. He hasn’t really and it’s biting him already. Fans are at their worst when they don’t understand the direction.

Here’s where I think we’re going and why:

Arsenal overachieved last season with 14 players (very young players). We started well, everyone came good, the system shone, and we competed for the league for 95% of the season.

It all collapsed for two reasons:

  1. Our squad wasn’t deep enough
  2. Arteta refused to rotate when he had the choice – rotation only came when his hand was forced because of injuries
  3. We were predictable because of the two points above

I don’t care how close we were in the league – the reality is Manchester City took us out into the garden, pulled our pants down, and spanked us with a stick. It was men vs boys – and our manager looked like a rookie chump.

Arteta felt that, it impacted him, he knew there was work to do.

Here’s the difference between Wenger and Arteta.

Arsene would have looked at the close finish, changed almost nothing, and maybe signed one or two players. His belief was too much change hurt the dressing room. He was a man of incremental improvement. Theo Walcott said the other day that he hated conflict. Arsenal fans were like docile dogs being petted in front of the fire when he convinced us all that there was simply no way to compete against monied teams – and we should basically shut up and let him have a good time with no accountability. We let that happen. It ended badly.

Arteta didn’t look at the five points and point to refereeing issues whilst drawing hard on a pipe of ‘maybe players won’t get injured’ hopium.

He realised to best City, we needed to add depth, we needed to have a deeper bench of super-intelligent players, we needed more height and power, and he needed to have more than one way of playing to keep opposition analysts guessing.

It should also be noted that the average age of our signings this summer was 23.75. The club has aged down our squad despite already having the second youngest in the league. Nothing gets people more angry that raising age as a challenge – ask ANY coach in ANY sport whether age impacts sporting outcomes and I’m telling you, none of them are going to deny it. Just think about how much you grew between 22 and 29 years old. Think if the mindset you had, the fuck ups you made, all the things you DID NOT KNOW. Then tell me age isn’t a factor. There’s a reason the average age of a CEO is 58 years old in America. There’s a reason that the average age of starting 11 teams that win BIG trophies usually sits at around 29 years old. Experience matters.

There’s also a deeper more tactical reason for ageing down. >>> Arsenal are aiming to peak when Manchester City fall. They won’t say this publicly because fans will be up in arms. But I have absolutely no doubt part of the summer rebuild was focused on two things:

When will Pep G leave?

When does this squad need to peak?

Pep will almost certainly be out in 2 years, maybe one.

As I said, squads tend to peak across all sports at around 28 to 29 years old. The average age of our starting 11 yesterday was 24.9 years old at the weekend. In 2 seasons’ time, the average age of our squad will probably be at about 25-26 once we ship out players like Partey and Jorginho. Then they’ll be ready to takeover… and stay there.

Part of peaking isn’t just about being mature enough to handle the pressure and the moment. It’s also being equipped with the right tools to take down any team. Arteta has said in the past that sometimes he makes decisions on who will play right up to the last minute. Being unpredictable is the ultimate weapon in the league. If you don’t know who is going to play or what shape will be deployed – it makes it very, very hard to plan.

Would the simplest way to compete this year just be more of the same? Yes. But eventually, in a league with the coaching talent we have, you get found out. Mourinho, dead. Carlo, dead. Antonio Conte, dead. Wenger, dead. Why? Because they were predictable.

Arteta wants to be unpredictable because he knows the best coaches in the world are working on exactly that at the moment. Pep G is the gold standard, he’s always doing new things, people disagree, they call him an galaxy brain thinker, but look at his accolades.

Our manager knows he’s the gold standard and the only way to match what he does is to have a deep squad of young players who are intelligent enough to be able to slip into any system, against any team, and play any way they are told to take the W.

My question here: Why wouldn’t you want that? Well, you would.

Now for the pain – it takes time to learn new skills. Arteta has a very complex system that took 18 months to get up and running. He’s trying to speedrun players into his way of thinking and it comes at a cost sometimes. The Fulham game was lost because of individual errors, but people don’t like change, so the finger of blame will always lie at the door of the obvious. That’s just something Arteta is going to have to deal with. Fans feel like they’ve been served tomorrow for 15 years. We’re 4 years into a project, and now we’re getting more of that. But we have to give managers freedom to move things forward, even if that causes light disturbances in our season. The alternative is a manager paralyzed to try new things – like Graham Potter at Chelsea.

What could make things easier for Arteta? Bring fans into the process. The more we know, the better we’ll handle days like yesterday. Right now it looks like Arteta is moving goalposts and creating complications where simplicity was winning.

We also have to be a little more accepting as fans. Too many people focus on the wrong problems and want to fight change. Football is always changing, as soon as you stand still to marvel at your achievements, you’re Antonio Conte screaming at shadows in a press conference.

The way I’m looking at the Fulham game is through my own lens of criticism last year.

  • Rotate in games you think you can get away with it
  • Lean into the full squad when everyone is available, not just when you need the players
  • Continue to develop the club to be future-proof

A lot of what happened yesterday was Arteta building on previous weaknesses – and people don’t like it.

It was extreme though. Does Arteta really have to play non-fullbacks as fullbacks? I’m not so sure. Jurrien Timber out injured threw a wrench in the system he’s trying to figure out. The manager really believed he was going to be an unreal piece of machinery this season.

Do we need to be dropping red-hot players 3 games into the season? Again, with foresight and hindsight, I think you could say that was an odd move.

I could go on – but two things I want to end with.

The 12th man has been one of the biggest attributes of the last two season. Arteta was worried some of our players were scared to play at home the season we opened with 3 losses. The turnaround has been outrageous. Whatever can be done to get that back in the mixer will pay dividends. The best space to learn is one that is warm, welcoming, and forgiving in the bad times. Groaning at misplaced passes makes for a shit day out and it causes issues with players who are listening.

Our manager has brought high-performance culture to Arsenal. He makes tough decisions 99% of Arsenal fans would never dream of. He puts blood on the floor and makes you look at it, weeping, like a small child. No one wants to win more than him. We’ve gone from being a laughing stock of the league, to genuine title contenders in 4 years. If he is running at change this hard, there comes a point where you have to sit back, and kind of let him do it. The base premise of what he’s trying to do isn’t wrong – if you think it is, please explain why you’re a fan of being predictable.

Is that AKBism in a nutshell? Could be. But for me, trust is a reward for getting majority of your decisions right. People were trusting Wenger when he was going entire summers without signing a single player. People trusted him when we passed on Toby Alderweirald and Virgil Van Dijk to bring Cal Chambers to the carpet. Trust shouldn’t have a forever window. But I think we can give change more than 3 games before declaring our season is over.

This is going to be a good season, the hard work we put in now will come with some bumps, but come the end of the season, we’ll be a better team, we’ll be more unpredictable, and hopefully we’ll be able to put Manchester City to the sword and show the world we’re a serious outfit that is built for the next decade.

LONG post today. Hope you enjoyed. Jump on the podcast if you haven’t already.

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Marko

Don once you try to write intelligently I doze off cause it so transparent that it’s a copy and paste job cause you’re too thick to educate yourself on serious matters.

Un

Pierre
Do you remember that lovely doctor that used to work at chelsea? What a sweetie she was. Heard a few of the squad “admired” her. What I don’t recall is her wailing about it. It was before woke cancer infected society though

Un

Marko
Cheers for the compliment darling 😘
My own work. Not just a pretty face ya know.

Marko

Don you still haven’t said what you would do if someone grabbed their dick around your daughter? You gotta be consistent mate you gotta high five him and call him a man’s man

Marko

You just thanked me for calling you thick… you’re welcome I guess

Un

Marko
Nah I thanked you for complimenting my response. What a pity it is that you’re too low functioning intellectually to grasp that you’ve inadvertently complimented me though. I’d loved to have rubbed your nose in it.

Tom

Un, the crotch grab, a few too many super tight hugs, hoisting a player on his shoulder and posing for a pic as if he was carrying a trophy wife ….. and the kiss he said was consensual when it wasn’t.

If that’s the look the head of FA should project in public one can only imagine what he deemed acceptable in private.

But hey, he didn’t grab anyone by the pussy …….not that it would make the difference to real man.

Rich

Arsenal are screening their under 21 game against Forest tonight on the official website if anyone’s interested, coverage stars at 18.55.

Nwaneri, Lewis-Skelly, Walters, Cozier-Duberry, Sousa, Edwards all start.

Strong looking team.

Un

Marko
On a serious note
Strong words or even physically removing the guy from the vicinity would be my action of preference. I’m not condoning the behaviour of grabbing your crotch around a 16 year old girl but I’ve not seen any footage of this so can’t say this happened as you claim.

Un

Tom
My thoughts exactly
Welcome to the club

Un

Rich
Make sure you update us every 5 minutes on that one
If it’s not at least 5000 word posts then I know it’s an imposter so don’t let me down

kjelli

I fail to agree to the use of the word progress in the headline. Mikel Arteta has by having brain farts
silenced the fanbase and made it nervous

Rich

Un

I don’t post during games…. But I’ll let you know all about it after the final whistle, don’t you worry.

Un

Rich

In that case I eagerly await your detailed match report
Gonna be far more interesting than anything that happens in the woman’s game. Apart from when a man does something, of course 😝
Then it’s global news

Un

Dunno what the problem is
I love women
I think every home should have one. Who would wash our clothes otherwise?

Luteo Guenreira

Just a public service announcement to all but.

Un is literally a dumb child. Literally. Trying to reason with him about anything that requires deeper consideration than “good bad, black white, man woman” is literally like trying to reason about complicated things with a dumb, petulant child. Don’t waste your energy, don’t waste your breath. Treat him like a homeless person talking to himself while holding up traffic in the middle of the street, it’s for the best.

Un

Treat him like a homeless person talking to himself while holding up traffic in the middle of the street, it’s for the best.

Luteo
Is that how you treat homeless people? Wow, there’s that bleeding heart you pretend to own

Luteo Guenreira

Bro. You’re just so fucking dumb, it’s unreal. Yes Un, unlike you I don’t pretend to have an answer for every planetary, political, social, or moral issue. So yes if I see a transient who is talking to himself and ignoring oncoming traffic, I’d be likely to ignore and avoid them 99999 out of 100000.

Un

Luteo

Oooo
Wear a bigger dress. Your triggered is showing. Such a liberal. Pull back that curtain some more you lil ol humanitarian you

Un

Lut

Listen to me
I’ll solve all your problems. I have the answer to everything
What’s your bank number? Give me your digits
And I shall reveal the answers you seek

MidwestGun

Oh man… I’m so glad Dissenter brought up the “kiss” topic.
🙁

This is on you Diss.. yellow card bordering on red.. hahaha

Luteo Guenreira

Un you’re the one who’s always typing out chains of responses when subjects like this come up.
See how often your name comes up in the last 2 pages of comments, it’s 100% obvious that you’re the one gets most easily triggered by anything. Zero self awareness, along with the intellect of a stunted child.

Zacharse

definite red.

Zacharse

“Wear a bigger dress. Your triggered is showing. Such a liberal. Pull back that curtain some more you lil ol humanitarian you”

UN go lapse into dementia somewhere else.

Un

Luteo
Jeeze chill your herbs
Why you got to go and get all serious
Blog of lube

Un

Mid
I was just trying to have a laugh
🤷🏻‍♂️
Some people are extremely uptight

Zacharse

“Some people are extremely uptight”

ya Un, you are extremely uptight. why else would you throw a hissy fit about a very straightforward sacking of a shithead you don’t have any connection to

try not to shit yourself next time you have a laugh at yer own jokes

“Your triggered is showing. Such a liberal.” did you write this one yourself?

Dissenter

Midwest
The Spanish FA kiss issue has to do with football though.
I didn’t take any strong position either way, just said it was entaerta8ning and the Spanish people will sort it out .

That said I know I gave Un an opening

MidwestGun

I don’t blame you Un… to me it’s like going to the zoo and throwing a raw piece of meat into the tiger cage and sayin… this should be interesting.. All it ends up looking like from the outside is a bloody mess of activity. But do you blame the tigers… or the person who threw the meat in there? These days everything escalates so quickly, I’ll give you that.

Guns of Hackney

Man this site falls apart when the king is t around for a bit. Sorry guys, I was at my child’s friends birthday. But I’m back now so relax. I’m here to guide you through the difficult times.

Guns of Hackney

Oh man. Was the dick grabber sacked?

Un

Mid
I don’t know mate
I thought there might be a joke or two in the other direction but bloody hell…. These pansies three their toys out the pram

Also.. zach
No fella
I’m not laughing at my jokes, I’m belly laughing at your reaction though. Please, don’t stop

Un

Hack
He’s a level above half of Le grove
At least he has a dick

Luteo Guenreira

“Jeeze chill your herbs Why you got to go and get all serious” What, really? I was just making fun of you, I didn’t think you’d start crying about it. Don’t be such a pussy, dude. I know it’s hard for people like you when you don’t have the vocabulary to describe the emotions you’re feeling inside. It can get frustrating, so you start to lash out like you do all the time here. I have friends who work with special needs kids, and it’s the same with those kids too. The best thing for people like you to do… Read more »

Luteo Guenreira

“Sorry guys, I was at my child’s friends birthday. But I’m back now so relax. ”

Let me guess, they kicked you out for urinating in the bouncy house.

Un

Luteo
Nice try darling
No way to walk yourself back from your public woke outrage. 😂 😂 😂
You can’t delete posts on here but I am certain you would right now
Tell us again how you treat homeless people? Walk over them? Drive through them? Over them?

Luteo Guenreira

Not that I want to, but I’d have to delete 3, and you’d have to delete a number higher than you can count with your fingers and toes.

Bro, I’m not that liberal you think I am. Just cause I oppose your stupidity doesn’t mean I’m a liberal. Fuck the homeless, they can take turns taking shits on your mother for all I care.

Tom

Un, I’ve got a short story for you bud re women’s game. True story too. A client of mine brought his two little daughters to the job site, a house addition I was building for him. His older daughter brought a soccer ball with her and kept bouncing it while he and I were talking. When the ball got away from her I picked it up and started free styling. He was impressed and asked me to play on his coed soccer team he personally ran and played on. You don’t want to say no to a client on a… Read more »

Victorious

Can’t believe a simple gesture such as a kiss can cause the kind of chaos I’m currently witnessing everytime I go online these days. People should give it a rest already, nobody was murderd, the holier than thou attitude is just so cringe, much more serious stuff are happening worldwide and you are not hearing a pimp from this set of people. I mean do me a favour

Marko

Luteo absolutely smoking Don right now and the idiot doesn’t even know it

Un

Marko

Nope 😂
Keep hanging on to shirt tails though. One day it might elevate you if you snivel enough 🤞

Un

Luteo
No. You’re actually the real bigot.

Vickingz

Spending this huge amount of money preparing for when PEP leaves? Do people even think at all?

Luteo Guenreira

“No. You’re actually the real bigot.”

Hahaha I really got to you earlier, didn’t I? Still so triggered and can’t let it go. Just get over it, cupcake.

Spanishdave

When Pep leaves you won’t see Arteta for dust.
That’s why he models himself on him, he would take our players with him

Mysticleaves

Chelsea sniffing around ESR. If rumours are true there’s no point keeping him around.

Guns of Hackney

Ha ha. You guys are on fire. Yeah, I weed in the bouncy castle and was booted out the party.

The floor is yours tonight.

Vickingz

It’s obvious to pedro that Arteta has nothing to succeed here, he’s never going to succeed and instead of coming out clear, pedro is trying to put out feelers about Arteta’s project within project for pep’s departure. It must definitely be ment, not malaria

Vickingz

Lady luck seems to have given ESR a second chance, he better take it with both hands and run cos he’ll never be great under the galaxy brain

Jamie

The under 21s suffer from the same malaise as the senior squad – can’t beat a deep block/team press. Pity.

Guns of SF

ESR should leave. Yes,, its sad but for his own sake, and peace of mind, and to get mins, he should go.
Ask the scum for 65m. I bet they pay it. Maybe we recoup the waste on Kai

salparadisenyc

It’s going to be a l o n g season on the LG.

Guns of SF

Sadly ESR never saw a low block he didnt like.
Just like Cesc, who could find a pass to break the block with ease

Josip Skoblar

I want my beloved club to win titles and cups. I now fear that Arteta, however gifted he may be, is not an elite coach like Pep, Mourinho, Fergie, Wenger, Klopp, Ancelotti or Zidane. Those guys were winners in the early stages of their career. Only elite coaches win big and consistently.

Jamie

Guns, absolutely. Cesc was a pro at defence-splitting passes. Ozil too when he could be fucked.

I’d hate to see ESR be sold to the scum. He had a terrific season (the one before last?) when he ran at defenders and scored important goals.

Josip Skoblar

ESR. What a wasted talent.. It is sad and infuriating.

Jamie

Oh man, under 21s absolutely done by Forest for a 2nd goal.

Un

Luteo

Dream on sunshine
Takes more than a homeless person jibe to rile me.
You’re overrating yourself
Stick to the fiesta jokes you rob off the internet

Jamie

Nwaneri incredibly raw and nowhere near ready for the PL. ESR is streets ahead of him and can’t get a sniff.

Mysticleaves

2 observations about the Spanish debacle I won’t be surprised when a man hugs a woman in the near future and a big deal is made out of it by serious people that should be concerned about more serious stuff going on in the world. Secondly, if it were a woman that excitedly kissed a man, it would probably generate uproars and a different kind of headline on social media. I mean in an era that’s so so big on equality and all that bullshit, why is the public opinion, perception and reaction of things like this so different concerning… Read more »

Omozuafo Frank

Arteta needs to wake up from his slumber and do the needful concerning his selection of the team. We don’t need to play catch up this season.

Jamie

“Secondly, if it were a woman that excitedly kissed a man, it would probably generate uproars and a different kind of headline on social media.” You can provide a stack of verifiable instances of women sexually assaulting men? The spanish cunt fucked up, it’s on camera. At a minimum, he should be sacked from his very public role. The rest is up to the victim. Men always have an opinion of how female victims should minimise a sexual assault – which is exactly what this was. Or have absolutely nothing to say if a grown man grabs your wife’s/mother’s/sister’s/daughter’s face… Read more »

Matt

If we sell ESR to Chelsea having handed them £65m for Havertz, I think I will be done with Arteta.

Josip Skoblar

The territorial branches’ presidents of the Spanish FA are asking for Rubiales’s resignation. He is finished.

Josip Skoblar

Breaking – Spain prosecutors have opened a preliminary sex abuse investigation into Spanish FA president Luis Rubiales.

Mysticleaves

Jamie how do you define sexual assault?

Mysticleaves

If a kiss on the cheek is not considered sexual why is a kiss on the lip considered sexual assault?

Does that mean that people that kiss babies on the lips are paedophiles? It’s just very crazy to allow so much hysteria to be made out of an non issue like this.

A simple apology would have sufficed. The man already apologized and the woman previously said no big deal. Why will people like you not let it slide and continue your daily dealings?

Jamie

Mystic – I don’t need to define a sexual assault for you, the Spanish prosecutors will do it for me. If you’re drawing parallels between Rubiales grabbing an adult female by the face and planting a kiss on her lips and an adult kissing a baby (with the parents’ permission), I can’t help you. What about a stranger grabbing a baby in a park and kissing them? No issue on your side? Ok mate. “Why will people like you not let it slide and continue your daily dealings?” People like you excuse kissing people without consent. Be a better human,… Read more »

gnarleygeorge9

Pedro

That is a long read for just a simple tweak of Gabriel into a back 4 again & Havertz starts on the bench.

Vickingz

https://www.football.london/arsenal-fc/transfer-news/arsenal-arteta-guardiola-havertz-shock-27610239

Arteta getting called out for using a style that Guardiola no longer uses, a fluke

Dissenter

Mystic
‘ this.A simple apology would have sufficed’

No. He should have apologized … and stepped down
He’s the head of the FA, a task that depends on public trust. A job that interphases with the government [subject to good practice expectations] and commercial sponsors .
Once he becomes a distraction and side show he has to do the right thing and leave.
No one is talking about the World Cup now because the head of the FA is fighting a losing battle to hang unto power.

Matt B

Luteo: I’m guessing you’re a yank, you can’t be a Brit cos you’re blind to sarcasm and irony. And all your Bro this and that nonsense and disdain for homeless people, well it kind of places you in Trumps’ good ole US of A

Dissenter

Never seen anything like this
There’s a kingpin narcissist in the Rubiales dude
‘ The Spanish football federation (RFEF) has asked Uefa to suspend it from international competitions because of government interference over demands to remove its beleaguered president, Luis Rubiales, from office.’

Talk about losing public support and trust
He’s willing to push everyone under the bus to save himself Whatever principled support he had must have vamoosed by now.

gnarleygeorge9

Matt B

Trump isn’t in power, that dopey old pensioner Joe Dopey is😖

Matt B

George: I know that mate! Some of the attitudes on here are pure Trumpian though

gnarleygeorge9

Matt B

What a fine example for democracy the US of A has become under the East German style Biden regime. If you disagree you get cancelled!!

Jamie

“that dopey old pensioner Joe Dopey is”

Not like the spring chicken Donald Trump at 77 years old. His whole life is ahead of him, am I right?

Un

Woah Jamie
Chill bruh

Un

What about a stranger grabbing a baby in a park and kissing them? No issue on your side? Ok mate.

Jamie
Not even the same sport let alone the same ball park
Bruh
Bruh
Bruh
Come on

Mysticleaves

Jamie, that’s unbelievable. The level of spin you are willing to put on this.

Dissenter, I’m not sure that every act that the public finds “not good” in their courts should be met with resignation and victimisation. That’s what type woke nation wants but I hope the dude in question pushes back to the last. Thai debacle absolutely makes no sense.

Jamie

Un –

I hear you. But if being of the age to draw a pension is a stick with which to beat a political candidate, both Biden and Trump are in the same boat.

Jamie

“Jamie, that’s unbelievable. The level of spin you are willing to put on this.”

Ah ok, you’re out of answers. No bid deal.

Un –

“Jamie
Not even the same sport let alone the same ball park”

Mystic drew the parallel, not me.

Un

Jamie

You’re better than this
You have a lovely new little one in your house. He or she needs all that love and attention. Don’t get wound up. Give that little one your energy. I know this is out of character for me but I’m serious.
Kudos to you for the new life you have that child

Un

Gave*

Jamie

Un – Cheers, I appreciate it. Everyone is asleep, so no responsibilities until someone wakes up. You agree, surely, that someone kissing your wife is not ok? Even if he’s super excited at seeing her? I’d level someone who did that. I grew up in Brussels, so kissing strangers (male or female, age irrelevant) on the cheek to greet them is what we do here in the form of a handshake. What Rubiales did is not the same thing, or the prosecutors in Belgium/France/Middle East would be charging everyone with sex crimes. Come on, be reasonable. No need for a… Read more »

Un

Men always have an opinion of how female victims should minimise a sexual assault – which is exactly what this was. Or have absolutely nothing to say if a grown man grabs your wife’s/mother’s/sister’s/daughter’s face and plants his lips on her because ‘he’s excited’. Jamie I think, in verifiable instances such as this, the father or a male relative of the victim should be allowed gladiatorial rights to batter the perpetrator I know I’ve been on a wind up about it but if it were my daughter I’d hammer him. Not in a sexual way. I know that’s what you… Read more »

Un

Jamie
I do agree. My honest opinion is that it’s not right to kiss a woman like that. On my first date with my partner, I asked her if I could kiss her before our first kiss. That’s true. She told me that she’d have preferred that I didn’t ask and just went for it though.

Un

I won’t read your response
I’m off to smooch a random waitress
Hope she doesn’t call the 50 on me. I’ll have to fight em all

Jamie

Un –

Just ask the waitress first and the 5-0 can deal with real crime.

I’m with you. If someone put his lips on my wife’s/daugher’s I’d level him. For sure lots of crimes are committed regardless of from where the perpetrator originates, but I’m sure you’ve taught your kids that 1000 wrongs don’t make a right.

Un

Jamie
I teach them an eye for an eye or if some kid is bullying you then stand up to them
I doubt you’ll agree with it but hey Ho
We do agree on respecting a woman’s boundaries though
I’ll break character momentarily to underline this point.

Marko

Well Don called him a man’s man originally Jaime so I’m not sure why he’s flip flopped. Probably out of embarrassment

Jamie

Marko slides in two-footed. Honestly sometimes this comment section is fantastic.

Not when Nigel’s posting, obviously.

Un

Marko
Nah
I just love using you as my own personal mop

Jamie

Un –

One last one before I call it a night.

“We do agree on respecting a woman’s boundaries though
I’ll break character momentarily to underline this point.”

Nice. We agree. There are boundaries which need to be respected. Some folk get it, others simply don’t. No idea why there’s an aversion to harmony, respect, class, and decorum, but it is what it is.

WengerEagle

Honestly piss myself laughing half the time reading Marko’s comments. Guy has zero chill as the kiddos would say, lol.

WengerEagle

”On my first date with my partner, I asked her if I could kiss her before our first kiss. That’s true. She told me that she’d have preferred that I didn’t ask and just went for it though.”

How very Hugh Grant of you Un. Not exactly the Lothario swagger I was envisaging…

Left Testicle

I remember when men were men and women were women. Now I don’t know where we stand. Especially when men get offended on women’s behalf.

Left Testicle

And a man with a penis can ‘compete’ with women in sport.

Luteo Guenreira

“Well Don called him a man’s man originally Jaime so I’m not sure why he’s flip flopped. Probably out of embarrassment”

It’s because Un is literally a dumb child and he acts the way he does because it gives him an excuse to seek negative attention, not because of any morality or real conviction he has. Honestly just think of him as an 8 year old who was given too much unsupervised screen time and it will make more sense to you.

Un

Luteo
Suck my anus you snivelling little pansie
You would cower if you encountered my shadow