GALAXY BRAIN FLUNK OUT – IS THAT FAIR OR LAZY?

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If you’ve been following the site and the podcast this summer, you’ll know I’ve spoken of the pain I think we’ll feel this season as Arteta transitions his team from a predictable 13 to a formationally fluid 18. The draw against Fulham is a sharp example of that pain.

Arteta rolled with a very odd starting 11. He dropped Eddie, who has been on fire, Gabriel stayed on the bench with White lining up with Saliba, and both our full backs were not full-backs.

The football was not champagne; we conceded in under a minute, and the whole plan that was built on newness was blown instantly. Everything felt 5% off. Not shocking, but far from characteristic.

That said, we dominated. Some fixes were implemented at halftime. The team clawed the game back to 2-1. Then we blew it when Zinchenko brainfarted in open play and let Fulham get into our 3rd. We fluffed the corner – no big man on the front post, a great shot, a disappointing draw.

It felt like the easiest place to lay blame was Arteta.

But…

19 shots.

11 shots on target.

4 big chances

xG of 3

71% possession

We lost to a team that…

Hit the target 3 times

Scored 2 goals

Recorded a 0.43 xG

Only made 26 passes in the final third

Could the starting 11 have been better? Of course. But you have to be able to hold a long-term thought in your mind when you have a pop about that.

Arteta vision: Having 18 players that can play any formation, against any team, to create unpredictability for the opposition.

To get there, you need to try new things. New things come with pain. But do you take some of that pain early so you can be ready for the business end of the season?

Arteta has gambled on a yes here.

There are some worries from the game. Kai Havertz looked very Chelsea out there. He did good work off the ball, found some good positions, kept control of the ball well. But we didn’t sign him to be good at running around and I don’t think fans are going to show much patience for him this season. He has to be better, fast. I’m sure he will. Dennis, Thierry,  Pires, and Freddie all started slow. Give the man more than 3 games.

Trossard – more like Drossard. Where did his game go? He was outstanding during preseason, great touch, impact every time he played, and output. He was WAY off the pace and deservedly took an early shower.

I don’t like playing Partey and Kiwior as full-backs. One, sure. Both? Seemed like a big risk. I know Kiwior has impressed in training and they wanted to give him minutes, but please, not when Partey is the other side.

Our finishing wasn’t up to speed. Saka, Martinelli, and Havertz need to better off 11 shots on target and some great openings. I’m not concerned though – we know this team has goals and they scored two today.

The subs were largely decent. Eddie was a difference maker. He occupied Fulham defenders, he was very direct, he forced a red card, and he was in the right position to finish. Same for Fabio Vieira. I got pelters for saying he’d be one to watch last year, fairly as well. But this year? Maybe we need to reassess. Let him seduce us into loving him. He was pivotal. He won the penalty, set up Eddie, and nearly scored a screamer late on. Let’s see where his game goes this season.

Unforced errors were the main concern of the day. It’s hard to shout “WE GOTTA STOP CONCEDING AFTER A MINUTE” because I’m sure the players know that. What might be a bigger catch-all is that individual errors have been costing us for the last month and our players are too good for that. Zinchenko had errors in him last season, Saka almost never does… correcting those is easier than correcting meek talent or a bad system.

Sadly, there are some times in football where you have to say… shit happens. Shit happened, we didn’t deserve a point, but we got one. We still have a chance to exit phase one of the season with 10 points which will be a good haul. United are a mess, they got VERY lucky against Forest, and Onana looks a total mess at the moment.

Arteta took a chance on Fulham. He thought rotating against them at home was a good bet. We can’t go too hard at him addressing an issue that blew up our season last year. Rotation is necessary, especially with Champions League. That said, I want to see a more serious 11 against United. That’s a blockbuster game and there’s no need to do anything mental.

So let’s see what we have. Big week ahead on the training pitch. Don’t get too down in the dumps over a point against Fulham. Plenty of time to catch up.

Right, see you in the comments. Check out the pod if you haven’t.

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Sadra Tehrani

1st

Chrispy

What’s with weird security bollocks

Chrispy

To continue with what ffs.

Josip Skoblar

Yo

EdTheRed

Tro4hy!

Fredo

Very impressive impact from Vieira and Eddie.
I think its obvious now that the Havertz thing isn’t working yet. Hopefully with time but let’s use him rather as a sub as he finds his feet because Vieira and Smth Rowe not forgetting Trossard who was his usual self today are all ready to play the system now. Undesired draw but lets experiment a bit less

Fredo

*Trossard was NOT his usual self*

EdTheRed

Time will come soon Pedro when you won’t be able to defend this anymore. I could write an essay about this, but I’ll just say what surely we can all agree with: Not one player looks comfortable in this new system. Not one.

If you guys think that’s not the problem, then the problem is you.

Marko

transitions his team from a predictable 13 to a formationally fluid 18. I’m sorry but this is actually bullshit. I dunno what he’s doing but it’s not fluid and he’s not nearly using his squad enough. He regularly doesn’t use his full allotment of subs and his starting 11 is painfully similar every game. He’s trying something out and it’s not working. The question should be why is he trying out something that isn’t working and why won’t he change? Is it to force some players out? Is there a break down with some in there? I personally think that… Read more »

EdTheRed

On the other hand, there were always going to be a few obstacles at Stage One of Phase Four, so it’s understandable. Kai had more jumps and more distance covered than Saliba and we all know that’s what really counts. Also XG was UNBELIEVABLE! It was a MASTERCLASS in everything but the result. But as Arsenal PR will soon declare: Winning is 4 Losers.

Belfast Gooner

from a predictable 13 to a formationally fluid 18?

For me that should read “From a predictable and effective 13 that needed more cover and a replacement for Xhaka, to a formationally nonsensical 18, with players out of position, not used to their strengths, and the combinations of players on both wings who made us a real attacking threat with overlaps and triangles, dismantled.”

It doesn’t look right and it isn’t delivering.

gnarleygeorge9

I think what The Arsenal’s title chances will come down to is whether Arteta is big enough to admit he got the Havertz signing wrong, and is therefore able to start him on the bench going forward. Because it appears that the line up changes are an attempt to accommodate him in the starting 11. Well to me anyway.

R.S.P.C.Arsenal

Un the bully has been put in his place

Three cheers for end of a cunt
Hip. Hip hooray
Hip hip hooray
The bully has left the building

Rainman

A bit disjointed in the final third at times, but not the disaterclass some are making it out to be. Absolutely dominated Fulham and clawed our way back to lead which was actually quite impressive and speaks to our strong spirit. The big error was that after scoring we immediately retreated into our shell, instead of going for the third and killing the game off. Seems to be a tactic from Arteta, I dont think the players did that on their own volition. We were a man up, and it was Fulham not say, Man City. So it was a… Read more »

Matt

Havertz is not going anywhere from the staring 11 anytime soon.

Arteta really seems to be intentionally trying to overcomplicate things. He’s now got a very good squad and it at the moment like he doesn’t know what to do with it.

R.S.P.C.Arsenal

Peter

The only facts were we were white

Sot are for bookies ….
Arteta brain farted

We move on after international cunt break

Dissenter

Arteta reinventing the game and the shape of the female derrière all in the same go

Who would have thunk ?

Give the man a standing ovation ?

R.S.P.C.Arsenal

Platers seem lost….
And that don’t lie,

They are humans can’t programme them like software.

TheLegendaryDB10

To get there, you need to try new things. New things come with pain. But do you take some of that pain early so you can be ready for the business end of the season?

Someone correct me if I am wrong, but surely this is something that should be done consistently in training first before doing it in real live games to ensure that everyone is attuned to the new system and comfortable with it, right?

Until then, keep playing the system that worked the previous season to ensure fluidity and strong, confident performances by the players.

Dissenter

Pedro
Sometimes you’ve just got your put away the ready to go ChatGPT xG toolkits and just admit that this isn’t good enough.

Last season we needed quality personnel to make rotation easier
Instead, he’s tearing up his own successes and stinking out the place

Un

I’m sorry but this is actually bullshit. I dunno what he’s doing but it’s not fluid and he’s not nearly using his squad enough. He regularly doesn’t use his full allotment of

Marko
Oh ye of little foresight
Keep watching but you’ll never learn
Bet you’ve never put a pair of boots on

Danny S

It wouldn’t have reflected badly on Arteta and Havertz at all if he’d have integrated the German into the team slowly.
Slot Rice straight in as he’s what we needed, but for Havertz in over time. Meld him into the system, not jam him in and pray he fits.

R.S.P.C.Arsenal

Un

No one cares you fat bully

Un

RSPCA

What are you on about?
Saka scored today and caused them problems all night
What were you watching?

Dissenter

I mean Arteta played Gabriel and Saliba together in preseason then he proceeds to start lab 101 purse at the start of the real season.
Saliba is now reduced to last ditch tackles to prove his brilliance
Yo8 know it’s not working when at least 8 regulars aren’t performing at their best

R.S.P.C.Arsenal

Danny …
Quality words,

Un

Arteta vision: Having 18 players that can play any formation, against any team, to create unpredictability for the opposition.

To get there, you need to try new things. New things come with pain. But do you take some of that pain early so you can be ready for the business end of the season?

Truth

Un

What kind of a prick wants Saka off at half time ?
I know
Bloke claiming to be in his 70s talking like a fucking gen z edge lord. I don’t know any 70 year old who gives it large on the internet and then calls others a bully when they get mugged off
Kid

Belfast Gooner

Arsenal manager Mikel Arteta said his side were “10 times better than last season” despite dropping points for the first time in this Premier League campaign against 10-man Fulham. (BBC Sport) “If I compare the game this season to last season, we were 10 times better than last season. At least 10.” I hate to come across as literalist, but I’m still hacked off at the performance and the result, and the stats simply don’t bear out Arteta’s claim. If he’s trying to kid the fans that’s one thing, but it sounds like he’s kidding himself. Apart from a marked… Read more »

Un

Diss is just squawking because Gabriel has been found out
It’s done fella
Generational had enough
Let it go

Un

Belfast
We were by far the better team
They got lucky
Long season
Such a frantic overreaction from a bunch of screeching pansies

Un

Arteta is shit as he won’t sign a player we want
Player gets injured
Arteta is shit cos he won’t rotate
He rotates
Arteta is shit cos he won’t pick the player I like best

Booooo fucking hooo

Matt B

Do be quiet RSCP, your racist comments in the previous comments didn’t go unnoticed

TeeCee

Havertz is currently playing like Prime Xhaka, the guy who made it feel like we only had 10 men on the pitch each game, the only good thing is that Havertz doesn’t get red cards or give suicide balls away around his own area…… But the bottom line is, we’re literally back to playing with 10 men again.
Arteta literally LOVED Xhaka and it cost us until his marvelous last season here. . Arteta also LOVES Havertz….. There’s a train crash coming…..

One

Un… Saka should have been subbed off. He lost the plot. He wasn’t effective and cost us two goals (dunno why Pedro didn’t sound it… Favouritism?) Martinelli didn’t create a single chance. It’s becoming evident he needs a wake up call from Trossad who created 3 big chances in the game. Everybody blames Kai Havertz even when it’s clear the other players aren’t playing up to standard. I didn’t speak on our defence because they’re playing according to Artetas’s plans, but the forwards are leaving Kai out. They need to start looking to adding him to their game. I said… Read more »

Belfast Gooner

Un, the fans I’ve spoken to say the problem is Arteta has moved players around to perform roles that are hugely different from last season, where they previously had a great impact. Saka hasn’t got White with him on the right. Martinelli looks lonely on the left. Where Xhaka was playing balls in to create chances and assists, we now have Havertz getting into “duels” but contributing next to nothing to the attack. Partey is most effective just in front of the defence and breaking up play. Rice isn’t replicating that exact role that worked well for 2/3rds of last… Read more »

One

Belfast, A lot of your data is wrong. Havertz is contributing to the attack, My post above yours highlights why he’s not being effective, and it’s the fault of the fellow attacking players not trying to get the ball to him or towards him. Rice has being one of our best players in the last 3 league matches, dunno or understand what you’re saying in that regard. Saka and Martinelli aren’t being creative as they should have been

Vickingz

Formationaly fluid 18? Be deceiving yourself and the gullible folks. What project is this though? Vision 2030? It’s not about winning Epl again but about formationaly fluid 18 at the expense of what?

Belfast Gooner

If Havertz isn’t getting the ball, perhaps he isn’t in the right position to receive and do something with it? He’s made an average of 35 passes per game so he’s receiving the ball from teammates. Only one of those passes was a cross. No chances created, no assists, and 4 shots, all off target. I want the lad to do well, but I’m not going to blame other players who are actually contributing more.

englandsbest

‘Arteta’s intention, rightly, was to make Arsenal style less predictable, but I believe he is mistaken in the manner in which he is going about it. Rather than dilute the old style, he should keep it intact, but make sudden switches to different style.. Right now, the players deem confused, leading to the kind of errors we’ve seen.

Effectively he should be playing two elevens – a first choice if you like – and a sudden switch to a second. Fuller use of subs. And use proper full-backs not guys who are essentially mid-fielders.

salparadisenyc

For United.. lets get down to the most primal.

_______________Jesus_________________
Martinelli________________________Saka_
_______________Ødegaard_____________
________Rice_______________________
___________________Partey___________
Zinchenko_______________________White
__________Gabriel_____Saliba___________
_______________Ramsdale_____________

Bench LIT

Marko

Also where are people getting this interchangeable 18 crap from? Motherfucker barely does 5 subs and he barely rotates the starting 11. Interchangeable…ask Emile how interchangeable things are. Or Tierney. Or Gabriel. Or Trossard up until today.

into the red

Haha, Arteta passed the crack pipe to Pedro after the match. And they both insisted the stats proved they were right and the world wrong. That’s a real stretch telling us that it was all part of the master plan and was the result of playing different formations Pep style. It’s obvious tripe because Arteta has played exactly the same formation for three games, not three different rotations, with similar results. Forest and Palace were very close to the draw Fulham got. So hardly a master class in different tactics. Arteta had to dump his galaxy twaddle and revert to… Read more »

Dissenter

Arteta is getting tetchy and twitchy
That comment about the team playing 10x better this season just takes you back to December 2020 all over again.
When he gets so defensive, it forebodes another lean patch.

One

Belfast, some of those passes came from duels he won, What does four touches in the opposition’s box tell you? I mean we’re regularly seeing him make runs inside the box, explain how is it that they can’t find him. I’ve watched Saka and Odegaard take shots in the last two matches instead of putting a cross for Martinelli and Kai who were positioned to attack the cross, but no. Nobody sees it. They all see the shot, but not the expected play they (Saka and Odegaard) should have delivered. https://www.sportbible.com/football/football-news/arsenal-kai-havertz-stats-fulham-mikel-arteta-513360-20230826 Check out his passes received. Only one from across… Read more »

Hitman

Reframing failure again. Fluid 18 my arse. 3 points & fluid performance was the order of the day. You’re not a managerial genius. So don’t over complicate, pick players on from and position.

Hitman

Perhaps they don’t like Kai. Perhaps they have seen how awful and lazy he is in training so won’t pass to him during a game.
The fans know it, so do the players. A misfit signing from the off.

Mikel Coneteta

Arsenal have kept 4 clean sheets in their last 20 home games, and have conceded a goal in the opening minute in 3 of their last 9 home games.

But Kai Havertz innit

Belfast Gooner

One. The stats on the page you linked don’t bear out what you claim. The only thing that does is Arteta claiming Havertz got into “great areas” and the ball didn’t come. Given Arteta’s hyperbole about this performance against Fulham being 10 times better than the one last season, I think it’s fair to surmise that Arteta was exaggerating again to justify his continued selection of a player who plays 75% of his passes backwards in forward areas. I want Havertz to do well because the team needs it. But the truth is apart from some ball recoveries he is… Read more »

Aaron

Not buying this. Making changes to the start the season is a great way to not be at the pointy end at the conclustion of the season. Season over before it starts and all that. Our passing, movement and combinations, when the did work looked good, but that was the exception to the flow of the game. Partey and Kiwior on the flanks might work in practice, but today it clearly did not. Many of the interchanges looked off as well they should. Fulham could have scored more. Saliba making supreme last ditch efforts is going to put him out… Read more »

rollen

Play Gab is CB and Partey in CM and we win this game easy.
This one is on Tets. Zenchenko should be benched for that fuckup, but he is managers pet…
Biggest problem we take one goal lead and switch off.
We didn’t play great so far, not a single game.

One

Belfast, Saka was adding something when he made the backpass that forced Ramsdale to backtrack badly? Y’all need to stop targeting the Kai. Xhaka left, Kai is now next in line. If he’s benched, Ramsdale is the next meat bag. I didn’t even know Arteta saw what I was seeing, ” He got into great areas, but the ball didn’t come” I already said it since the last match. He would have been giving us goal returns by now. Saka and Odegaard need to find him more. Hitman Kai is Anything but lazy. If he won you 18 duels, He’s… Read more »

One

Next best move of those players**

allezkev

Good to see Pablo Vieira put in a vastly improved performance today despite the result, now he’s got to do it again and again and maybe start a few games. But it’s taken him a year to finally fit in and maybe convince many of his critics that he can actually play, but he’s got to do it consistently and if he can then happy days.

One

However, Arteta defended Havertz during his post-match press conference. He said: “I think he’s done good things today. It was tough for him in certain moments. “He got in great areas again and the ball didn’t arrive, it didn’t arrive. A lot of situations he could have scored a lot of goals already and that’s the thing he is missing.” Everybody blaming Kai is saying shit. I decided to look up the post match interview and found this. I saw it, I called it out. Artetas’s system isn’t fucked up, it’s a great system if the players bring in their… Read more »

David.D

Seems I’m not the only one who thought Zinchenko was to blame for the 2nd goal.
If he doesn’t lose the ball they don’t get into our third , force the corner and score .
Quire simple really for the idiot throwing ‘idiot’ slurs around.

Belfast Gooner

Yeah OK One. The more you keep battering the same point, the more it’s clear you’re just seeking confirmation bias. The moment you default to that “duels” stat, is the moment people see you have no other stats to fall back on to support your argument, which is emotional. It’s one thing to beat a player to a loose ball, it’s another to do something useful with it. If Arteta decides to drop him, I’m guessing you will be first in line to explain why it’s the right decision.

MidwestGun

https://www.whoscored.com/Matches/1729256/Live/England-Premier-League-2023-2024-Arsenal-Fulham Whoscored.. a very good statistics site who uses real stats and analytics to do player ratings had Saka as one of our highest rated players along with Vieira and Havertz one of the worst on our side along with Ramsdale. Sounds accurate to what I saw. Not some observational stuff about runs and duels. If you have to bend yourself into a pretzel and talk about runs and duels when dude only touched the ball 28 times as a midfielder. Means Kai probably didn’t have a good game. Hence why he got hooked after 65 mins or whatever. I… Read more »

izzo

I literally said Havertz is the Elneny of the attack. What a waste of a signing. Another loser taking up squad space. I hate Chelsea players.

Nigel Tufnel

Come to legrove where they believe the root of all problems is Kai Havertz.
He’s the devil with his unemotional facial expression!

I’d call it a mob mentality, but it’s really a mob with a child’s mentality.

allezkev

I can’t really pin this down and maybe I’ve got it completely wrong but it seemed to me that Trossard spent more time out wide left with Martinelli coming inside to probably to link up with Havertz and although it seemed very interchangeable with players swapping positions it obviously, on this occasion, didn’t result in a goal, although both our goals did eventually come from the left.

Nigel Tufnel

Pedro,
I’d say Eddie and Vieira were much better than decent. Really impressive.

Pierre described Vieiras work very well, and his ball to Eddie couldn’t have been better. He is a natural game changer.

Their work, along with Rice getting very comfortable in the team, is really encouraging.
We have a long season with plenty of exciting times ahead.

Dissenter

Arteta is very generous with Kai Havertz
One has two wonder why

What’s he’s doing is the barest minimum. ESR would put in that performance even in his sleep but he may not get that love in.

Dissenter

Nigel
When Kai played for Chelsea for three season, did you even fancy him then

Mr Serge

Some drunk arse peeps on here tonight lol

allezkev

Champions League draw this Thursday

Guns of SF

Good post Aaron

Guns of SF

Mike has 65 millions reasons to continue with Kai
Let that sink in.
Kai is not going to the bench anytime soon sadly. See more of this coming

Guns of SF

Serge you see that knockout today by my boy max

Guns of SF

Those City players, Saka and Kai are untouchable to Mike.
His pets
Ode too

Guns of SF

how many days left in the window? 5?
We need a new LB, that position is fast becoming the boogie man position

MidwestGun

No the root of the problem isn’t Havertz….alone it’s that we have become more defensively unstable to get more attacking players into the attack and it hasn’t resulted in better attacking play so far and our defense is giving up easy goals on a few chances. It’s risk/ reward I get it but We have tried the 3-4-3 thing since late last season with Partey and it has yet to click.. that I can remember. The good news is we have yet to lose this season and we haven’t played particularly well. But if there is steady progress with it..… Read more »

Mr Serge

Guns yes I did stunning punch, shame he does not have the power to beat Volk

Mento

How can a club like arsenal have no natural fbs?

Nigel Tufnel

Dissenter, I thought Havertz was shit at Chelsea. An 80m waste. A very superficial view from me. My first reaction when he was linked to Arsenal was anger. I said it here, I wanted nothing to do with him. Then I did real research, listened to a few Bundesliga watchers/journalists on podcasts, even found old professional scouting reports in an article on ESPN. I became convinced within a week that our club know what they’re doing. In my opinion…. Chelsea screwed him up badly, used him wrong, and there’s the player that was considered one of the best young midfield… Read more »

One

Yeah OK One. The more you keep battering the same point, the more it’s clear you’re just seeking confirmation bias. The moment you default to that “duels” stat, is the moment people see you have no other stats to fall back on to support your argument, which is emotional. It’s one thing to beat a player to a loose ball, it’s another to do something useful with it. If Arteta decides to drop him, I’m guessing you will be first in line to explain why it’s the right decision. Confirmation Bias? Call it whatever, it IS the truth. Taking pot… Read more »

Dissenter

There’s an avalanche of criticisms against Arteta;s tinkering. It’s no wonder he made that ‘Arsenal are 10x better this season’ remark

This comment on Arseblog; “ Arteta was total shit today. Doesn’t mean one has lost faith in him. But today was a terrible mistake by him.” was scored as +51/-7 on Arseblog . Typically even the faintest criticisms against Arteta is shut down….not today.

Dissenter

Nigel
Thanks for your honesty

The thing about Havertz is he didn’t come in on a neutral plate. There was good data at Chelsea to assess him. It’s like Willian, he wasn’t some unknown quantity.

One

David.DAugust 26, 2023 23:49:01 Seems I’m not the only one who thought Zinchenko was to blame for the 2nd goal. If he doesn’t lose the ball they don’t get into our third , force the corner and score . Quire simple really for the idiot throwing ‘idiot’ slurs around. There was no slur in my comment because it’s true. Force the corner? In what bullshit media circus did you learn that compilation of words? They forced NOTHING players lose the ball all the time, even the great man city have players who do that regularly. Bukayo Saka fucked us during… Read more »

Cheffy

Yes super disappointing to concede 2 points like that. Almost unprofessional-like. Agree with Midwest. Though the funny thing about this expansion of the team’s versatility is that we are so predictable. I have been noticing that Saka has been going into defence cover half hearted. a lot of players seem to manage to move the ball or themselves past him and he doesn’t look like he has been genuinely trying to stop the ball, rather almost like pretending to and hoping his colleague comes in to do the actual dirty work. I know he is a darling but I didn’t… Read more »

One

Nigel TufnelAugust 27, 2023 00:44:01 Dissenter,I thought Havertz was shit at Chelsea. An 80m waste. A very superficial view from me. My first reaction when he was linked to Arsenal was anger. I said it here, I wanted nothing to do with him.Then I did real research, listened to a few Bundesliga watchers/journalists on podcasts, even found old professional scouting reports in an article on ESPN. I became convinced within a week that our club know what they’re doing. In my opinion…. Chelsea screwed him up badly, used him wrong, and there’s the player that was considered one of the… Read more »

Paul Mc.

Arteta cost us them points, He has not got the team ready, He is playing games with players, All he has to do is play our best players in there correct positions. Trying to let on he is something he is not will only get him the sack, Paying 65 Million for Kai is actually a sackable offense after stinking the bridge out, Could of got him for about 30 I’m sure, Anyways he better be on the bench at best next week, Gabs, Eddie and Zinc all have to start against Utd, Pity our best left back has been… Read more »

One

CheffyAugust 27, 2023 00:59:37 Yes super disappointing to concede 2 points like that. Almost unprofessional-like.Agree with Midwest. Though the funny thing about this expansion of the team’s versatility is that we are so predictable.I have been noticing that Saka has been going into defence cover half hearted. a lot of players seem to manage to move the ball or themselves past him and he doesn’t look like he has been genuinely trying to stop the ball, rather almost like pretending to and hoping his colleague comes in to do the actual dirty work. I know he is a darling but… Read more »

One

The day Kai makes the mistake of Saka’s, ARSENAL fans will burn his home down, I kid you not. If he had stepped off during that corner in which Saka did the same thing, He would be burnt that a stake. I’m tired of these Maligned views that don’t place the blame effectively.

Guns of SF

I mentioned that Saka should have stuck a leg out on that corner. He did seem to make himself skinny, almost scared of being hit by the shot. Not good defending. I think others commented that too

David.D

One
Do One…..
You’re chatting shit.

Dissenter

Saka didn’t use to put in defensive shifts last season as well. Don’t pretend that it s a new thing, it’s always seemed like the trade off for his longevity and hardiness was to let him slide for not defending like Martinelli does

The only difference between this season and last season is that Arteta moved Partey to the center and BW to the right.
Ben White was covering for Saka’s defensive laxness and now he’s not there again.

Tom

Arsenal are still work in progress but individual mistakes are dogging us at a bigger clip than they should at this stage. There’s not a better player in the league than Saka at turning a defender on a touchline in possession, so kinda shocking seeing him play a back pass to no one for their first. When you struggle for fluidity in play, like we are right now, these mistakes put additional pressure on players adapting to new surroundings. Drooping points to the likes of Fulham at home isn’t great but it could’ve been worse. Vieira had a really good… Read more »

Dissenter

* The only difference between this season and last season is that Arteta moved Partey from the center and BW away from the right.

Tom

Bassey better have a serious knock from his tussle with Saka or Silva’s gonna have some stern words with him.
By staying down and inside the pitch he kept Partey on side for the loose ball in the build up to our second.
I feel, as much as we bitch at refs, this was a really good performance from them on the day.

Nigel Tufnel

Pedro ,
Rumours that Nketiah being looked at for the England squad?

Is this what you referring to recently calling him England striker?

Get the video of this game to Southgate.
Either way, I’m as happy as Pierre.
He’s been great for us so far this season.
He deserves lots of applause. Has a perfect attitude.

MidwestGun

I really don’t like to get into to tit for tat on errors….. but Havertz cost us a goal by being offside in the buildup for Odegaard’s goal which got chalked off. Which was unnecessary. The whole team made errors though when you have like 20 shots and only score on one from open play .. plenty of mistakes to go around.

Also I doubt anyone’s house is getting burned down… Willian, Xhaka, Ozil, David Luiz all survived without any flames that I’m aware of.

Tom

Midwest. Havertz had a game to forget for sure but that’s harsh.
An offside like that one, when a player has his back to the entire back line trying to time his run, happens in every game.

LoveSausage

Formationally fluid? Is this supposed to be a serious comment? There is no such thing as a formationally fluid team. Every top team, including City, have a preferred formation or system. The goal should be to have 17-18 players who can play well in that system. Once you have that, you can start introducing tactical adjustments to make the system more flexible, like Pep did when he absolutely cooked Arteta last season by going over the midfield. Arteta has destabilized the team with his back 4 experiment. Havertz was awful today. On top of that, our wingers have struggled a… Read more »

Guns of SF

Pedro,
Arteta should not be trying to emulate total dutch football. Players need to know their positions and in turn, chemistry forms.

tinkering this much and then having fans say that so and so did ok in his new position is not going to move us forward. Accepting this strange tinkering just going to lead to more accepting of his lapses in judgement

TP is a beast CDM play him there
Ben White is a good RB, play him there.

Play Gab Ma, he is a great CB with chemistry with Saliba

No brainer stuff. This was hard to comprehend

MidwestGun

Tom it might be harsh in isolation but did you know Havertz was offside 28 times last season? Second most.. in the whole league., so not a new thing for him.

Kpankulu

1. Blaming Kai Havertz for our tying the game is simply simplistic screeching and moaning. Did he score two own goals? 2. Fabio Vieira and Eddie Nketiah are steadily causing their vitriolic haters tummy heartburn. 3. Simply expecting to beat any team in the Premiership based on the opponent’s last game or name or reputation [on paper] is the height of arrogance. I am not happy we didn’t win, but at least I’m aware that no team wins ALL its games. Some of you will still cuss the gaffer out even if was a tough narrow loss to a [on… Read more »

Kpankulu

1. Blaming Kai Havertz for our tying the game is simply simplistic screeching and moaning. Did he score two own goals? 2. Fabio Vieira and Eddie Nketiah are steadily causing their vitriolic haters tummy heartburn. 3. Simply expecting to beat any team in the Premiership based on the opponent’s last game or name or reputation [on paper] is the height of arrogance. I am not happy we didn’t win, but at least I’m aware that no team wins ALL its games. Some of you will still cuss the gaffer out even if was a tough narrow loss to a [on… Read more »

Guns of SF

Is there an echo in here?

Guns of SF

against some teams, maybe start Kai as striker. His height will be an asset there. The grunt work of playing Mid might be a step too high for him.
Tinkering the team to fit him in Midfield and altering the defense aint gonna work.
Knowing Mike, he will play kai at OT, wanting to keep proving others wrong. I would take him off the bench and go with our tried and true lineup

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