SAFE STANDING + ORLANDO CITY MISERY/MAGIC

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Arsenal vs Orlando City was 45 minutes of hell followed with a tasty shot/chaser that showed where we are heading as a club.

MLS is a league on the rise, better coaching, more exciting clubs developing, and a generation of top-tier athletes coming through that said no to NFL. The Premier League is also HUGE in America. The amount NBC pays for the rights dwarfs even what Apple pays for the MLS direct-to-market games.

My point, the MLS is a league that will innovate, especially with Apple helping, because it needs to have a moment post-2026.

One of the elements they do well, especially at the newer clubs, is ‘supporter sections.’ In English, they have safe standing, where the noisy folk go. LAFC, Austin FC, Seatle Sounders, and the Portland Timbers have atmospheres that would put most Premier League clubs to shame. They have a group of fans that are all a bit nuts, they work closely with them, and they make sure the noise in the stadium is orchestrated by them for the entire game.

Why can’t the Premier League have that?

Well, they can. But the Premier League’s overall capacity in games was about 96% last season. I know that’s tickets sold, but overall, there’s no league in the world that delivers more fans across the board. Our second division, The Championship, is the best attended second division in the world clocking in at 21,000 per game. MLS averages about 22,000 a game, it’s on the rise since COVID. But my point here is the Premier League doesn’t need to fix something that isn’t broken.

WRONG MOVE.

Arsenal didn’t need to fix Arsene Wenger, because on paper, he was delivering 4th.

No one paid attention to the grim reaper marching on his abilities, or the innovative talents coming into the league, by the time everyone realised that all was not well, we were ready for a painful 5-year rebuild.

The average age of a MLB fan in America is 58 and the skin color is very white. They didn’t pay attention to young people. The average age of an MLS fan is 37, the skin color is very mixed (don’t get at me with your ‘this is woke’ stuff, on a pure business level, this is what America looks like in the younger generations, so outside it being good to open the doors to everyone, it’s also the only way to survive as a business), as a sport it is on the right track and it continues to funnel young people through the doors.

Young people are the lifeblood of any sport. Average age of a Premier League ticket holder is 43. Clubs need to pay attention to that number in the good times, because you cannot go begging for young fans when you have a problem. And look, young fans are hard to come by, according to lots of private data I’ve seen working on big soft drink brands, the generation coming through doesn’t really give that much of a shit about live sport in the way my generation did when we were 16. Games like FIFA are genuinely gateway drugs to the actual game. Sports clubs are also competing for attention minutes with things that are cheaper an easier to access… TikTok, Netflix, Fortnite, and Roblox, to name but a few.

Live sport has to compete and funnel new blood into venues, otherwise, there will be empty stadiums.

This is a curveball, but Spotify worked out that people who created a playlist in the app were something stupid like 8x more likely to subscribe to Premium, so they invested in that feature with their paid media and creative spaces. I don’t have the data here, but I’d imagine there are two ways in at football… if your parents take you to live games, you are likely going to be a lifer. But phase two is when you get a bit older. If you can get to games easily with people your own age, you are going to start the cycle of being a proper fan minus parents.

That stage of fandom is really fucking hard if you’re a 22-grand-job-in-City, that-sounds-nice type of 24-year-old. £900 on ticket, £60 beers with your mates, train fare…

More defined supporter sections could be a good holding pen before you graduate into gen-pop tickets as you get old and withered and reluctant to sing or tolerate £5 rat burgers and £10 warm Carling.

Ok, don’t know why I went off on that tangent.

LET’S TALK ORLANDO CITY!

THE BAD:

There were players on in the first half that clearly aren’t going to be here in a few weeks. They didn’t make a case for a stay of execution.

Pablo Mari, awful.

Nico Pepe, uninterested, awful.

Ains, just so bad.

Hector, clearly hating his life and existence in a red shirt.

These players aren’t good enough, they have no future, I wish we didn’t have to suffer them.

Where are the bids?

Arsenal need to shift players to buy now, so we need to get cracking here!

Our first half was basically like watching Emeryball. We were getting ripped through the middle, we had no creativity, our players were passing it around in circles.

… but we know that isn’t Arsenal now.

THE UGLY:

My biggest fear this window is the keeping position. Aaron Ramsdale hasn’t recovered his early season form. Yesterday, he dropped a brilliant one vs one save before totally switching off and letting a low/soft/telegraphed shot roll into the bottom corner across goal.

Not good enough.

Every keeper has a dip. Young keepers always do. But we can’t be tolerating 4 months of bad form and a really poor shot/save ratio. That goal was a worry because the understudy has never played in the Premier League.

Bernd Leno exiting feels like a risk right now.

THE GOOD:

When the tuned-in players came on, we were absolutely sensational.

Gabriel Jesus IS our Luis Suarez. The guy has a chip on his shoulder and a point to prove. He was structured chaos. Aggressive, clever, powerful, and efficient. He’s going to score a lot of goals in this system.

Eddie looked really solid in the second half. He’s ready for the season. His goal was very, very Eddie. He’s so alert and sharp in front of goal. Keep an eye on his shooting, he might not always score, but he’ll rarely miss the target.

Odegaard was absolutely singing all games. His assist production is going to ramp up a level now he has an actual target to find. The ‘big chance’ bores can find something more interesting to talk about.

Also, special shout for Sambi Lokonga who made some great passes and showed his range nicely.

My major concern was at right back. The first half had Cedric there, he seemed to be part of the second-stringer crew, and he was replaced in the second half by Ben White. If you see Benny Blanco there at the weekend, assume that’s the plan for the start of the season if Tomiyasu takes his time getting back to fitness. Here’s the thing, I didn’t hate it. He’s pretty decent as a right back and he inverts really, really well. I’d rather have Ben White at right back than Cedric if we get another long-term injury.

I was pretty annoyed that we had 58 players on tour with us, but then I realised that we’d asked Arteta to be more human in his managerial approach. He took everyone, made them all feel part of the squad, and that’s proper leadership. It certainly beats what Conte is doing by freezing players out he might not be able to sell. I think we leaned into the second stringers in the first half mainly because of the heat and the double sessions the players will be doing behind the scenes. All the embarrassing propaganda in The Daily Mail about Spurs players being the fittest in the league because Conte has them vomiting after laps is so, so laughable, let’s see where their squad is in January. You don’t overheat the oven when you bake bread, because it’ll rise too fast and fail. Same premise with athletes, if you overheat now, make no mistake, those players will be overcooked at the wrong point in the season and there will be a price to pay.

Talking of leadership, you gotta love all the weird shit Ten Hag is putting in the papers. The Sgt Major carry-on doesn’t work when you are in the big leagues of the EPL. Telling players they aren’t good enough and asking journalists to cover it is embarrassing. United fans are lapping it up: ‘Look at the standards, I love him.’

Flying millionaires around the world and telling them they can’t visit the Neighbors set is beyond pointless. Again, like fitness, these little microaggressions tend to catch up with managers in the end. It certainly didn’t work for Louis Van Gaal.

Back to Arsenal.

Preseason has been solid so far. Let’s hope the injuries to players like ESR, KT, and Tomi are minor and we see them back ready for the first game. If they aren’t ready, at least we have decent options to cover them, and at least the prep this season looks far more solid.

I cannot wait to get going.

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Marko

Do you think the starting line up had something to do with the first half performance or is that irrevelant to the point you were making?

No I was making the point that a bad performance isn’t exclusively related to emeryball we saw plenty of artetaball to know that it’s just as bad

Mulerise14

Penny is on Saliba extending his contract….. let’s keep fingers firmly crossed.

Batistuta

The links to Melo at Juventus won’t go away, would be the laziest type of transfer if we pushed it through. Would rather keep Torreira

Batistuta

Again though, as much as the work we have done with incomings have been good so far, if we do not get a CM, we will flatter to decive yet again as we have only one dependable player in that position and we cannot depend on him for a full season based on what we have seen since he has been here.

The other options are average and only good enough as back ups

Rich

Diss The other day you were spouting nonsense about me not wanting the club to strengthen in January, and I had to go back and show you what I’d actually written at the time, which was nothing of the sort… Our squad building is a fluid situation, until we actually sign someone, so we’re dealing with hypotheticals: I think we’ll move to a single pivot in midfield, whether that happens straight away, or is a gradual shift, will depend on our transfer business, the quality of our defenders to bypass the midfield, and how quickly we can integrate Vieira, or… Read more »

Henley Gooner

Always liked the Rakes. Shame they split up.

Dissenter

Batistuta
I would be careful not to be so dismissive of Melo

If we end up signing Melo. It would be.a conviction based transfer that would have been assessed and argued relentlessly within the transfer team.

No one persists with signing such a player without seeing something special in him.
Lazy is the last description for that type of signing.

Northbanker

Still can’t see the point of taking the dross with us to the US

We should have filed those places with our top Academy players and let the Outs get on with Outing themselves by spending time on following up leads for new clubs.

What have we achieved with their appearances – only more evidence that they aren’t good enough and probably made selling them that bit harder

I don’t disagree with what Conte is doing – if they’re not gone then they languish in no man’s land. They might get their basic but none of the add ons

KAY Boss

Honestly I still don’t get what Artetaball is. Too much inconsistency is what we’ve witnessed from the few seasons he’s been here. Some of you are too aligned to individuals than the progress of the team. As said in previous posts, I’m still unconvinced with what our game’s identity. We should be aiming higher than 5th we are made to believe is progress. I would prefer us getting a champions league spot than a trophy and 5th place.
Champions league or bust for Arteta should be our aim an target.

Freddie Ljungberg

Lots of rumours that Saliba is about to sign a new contract, huge relief if true, he’s going to be a beast.

Carney refusing to sign a contract for Villa, they want 20m for him but maybe has to settle for less if they don’t want to lose him for free next season.
Well worth a punt on a top english prospect in a position we need some more quality.

Un

Freddie recommending a young Englishman?? 😯
Did hell freeze over?

Markymark

Newsnow has a link suggesting that Saliba is signing.
In regards to Melo and as Dissenter noted that’s based around real risk assessment. Wenger in his pomp was constantly pulling this sort of move and when it worked glorious.
Melo was obviously very highly rated. His star has fallen but if you think you can turn him around it’s a potential brilliant bargain.

Freddie Ljungberg

Don I’ve been lobbying for Carney a while, also wanted Olise before he went to Palace, Bowen before he moved as well. Problem with the few top english prospects out there are that if they aren’t already at a top club that won’t sell to us they’re still insanely expensive. I mean who wouldn’t like some Bellingham right now for example but at 100m+? Nah. In most cases it just makes more sense to go for the often superior foreign player for much cheaper. There are always exceptions though. I wouldn’t mind Carney + Olise for 50-55m and then call… Read more »

Graham62

Kay Boss

100% spot on.

TR7

As per Romano Tavares is attracting interest from Atlanta and Tielemans is really keen to sign for Arsenal. He doesn’t think there is any truth in Melo links.

Un

Freddie

I’d say Jude is worth every penny of £90m. He’s going to be the best I. The world

G

‘’ Rumors of Saliba being a target for Barca if Kounde falls through. Saliba would be a fool to extend with Arsenal without a kings ransom. Arteta treated him with disdain and showed no love so payback is a Biatch.
Not counting the issue of the foolish 50 mill spent on Ben White when we should’ve signed Bissouma. If I’m Saliba nothing short of 180k per week will even engender a conversation … Arteta put himself in this bind‘’

Yeh Arteta treated him so badly that he’s probably going to extend his contract

Freddie Ljungberg

I’m sure he’s worth that to some teams, we’re not in a position to spend that much on 1 player yet though so it’s pointless speculating about him. When there’s a realistic english prospect that is lso value for money then I’m more than happy to mention it.

Graelish for 80m or Bellingham for 100m isn’t worth talking about imo.

Carney looks really good though, especially for a 18 year old. Already have PL experience as well.

China1

If the Saliba new contract claims are accurate and he’s signing that’s *fantastic* news

Here’s to hoping

Full credit to both Arteta and Saliba if they’ve managed to work this out after the shambles of the last couple of seasons handling of him

Good shit!

Would also show elite maturity from Saliba to sign on right now

Brilliant news, really

GD4

William Saliba just looks the part.
His touch, his presence and composure on the ball.
IMHO he is first player on the team sheet when it comes to central defense. Sorry Ben White and your overpaid transfer note …

Bob N16

Graham, ‘Echo locator’

GD4

Anyway Edu/Arteta have been incredible in retaining the likes of ESR, Saka, Martinelli and Balogun and getting them to sign extensions but the Saliba one would be immense.
The challenge is huge …

EdTheRed

Before Mikel `soon.to have a statue outside Emirates’ Arteta arrived at Arsenal, our No1 & 2 goalkeeping options were Leno and Martinez. Today it’s Ramsdale and Turner. This is not a progress.
It’s where our season will falter. You can quote me on it come May 2023.

Tom

“I don’t disagree with what Conte is doing – if they’re not gone then they languish in no man’s land. They might get their basic but none of the add ons” Most Arteta/Conte comparisons are flawed. Arteta just signed an extension when missing out on CL was a real possibility, which says to me making CL and his immediate future aren’t exactly intertwined. As a matter of fact, I believe top five and no trophies next May would still keep him in the job. Had Conte failed to make the CL last season, which btw, I always said was his… Read more »

Bob N16

Tom being Tom! ‘ Pedro’s obsession with Conte is well understood’ Pot, kettle etc

Tom

Sorry Bob, I forgot I wasn’t supposed to trigger certain irrational posters with my rational musings.

Un

Freddie
Next summer we will be ready for that level of signing I’d say. The £75-£100m bracket

Matt B

Graham: Were you born in 1962 or 1862?

Nigel Tufnel

Saliba would be great news, but I’ll only believe it when I see it. Will be good for the team.
There were rumours that we were close to getting his signature a couple weeks back, then those were refuted.

Saka is a sure thing and I have no worries about that one.

Un

There’s been so much good business in squad building in the last 2-3 years, I think it will stand us in great stead as if we keep producing valuable kids who we can ether make 20-30m on each actually makes our first team and then we can sell on squad fillers, whoever that turns out to be. One of white Saliba and Gabriel will be gone in the next 2 years and will all retain high value. We’ve got 2 great young right backs coming through. A talented young keeper. Eddie and Balogun. Maybe one of ESR vieira martinelli Marquinhos… Read more »

Bob N16

No apologies necessary Tom, keep being you!

englandsbest

Something we all know is that pre-season results count for nothing when the real business begins. So will the Florida Cup game be just another friendly work-out – or will it be a trial of one-upmanship? I expect Arteta to tell his squad the result doesn’t matter a damn, but that they should give their best, they have a crowd to entertain. And I expect Tuchel to say the same. But once the game gets going, and tempers fray, anything can happen.

Just hope there are no injuries.

China1

I’m not saying we should sell KT or anything but he didn’t play anywhere near his best last season AND he has shown he is injury prone He needs a much better season this year and a lot fewer injuries. Otherwise we could end up regretting not cashing in while his rating is still high We used to say Bellerin was a big deal and worth 40-50m. A sure fire future Barca signing. We kept hold of him in spite of waning form and some long term injuries. We can’t give him away for 7m now and he’s only in… Read more »

Marko

I think Tierney as a prospect was always higher than bellerin China. I think with all due respect to bellerin he was given far more credit by arsenal fans than perhaps his ability deserved. Good player at his height but nothing more. I think the fact that he’s had so few caps for Spain speaks volumes as well

Bob N16

Marko,
Do you think Tierney would have been picked for Spain?

Matt B

Graham: Were you born in 1962 or 1862?

It’s just that you sit so rigidly with your pov, it feels a bit old-fashioned.

You must be one of the only posters who can see nothing positive about what has transpired this off season.

We know you doubt Arteta has this and that management skill, but is it not time to move along a little?

Even the slightest recognition that he has done something right would no go amiss

Marko

Bob you’re in a very contradictory mood I sense. Hard to say with Alba an ever present for Spain and Barcelona but now? Possibly given their options

Un

For once I agree with marko
Hell really must have froze over
Bellerin was hugely overrated as a footballer
His insane pace gave him a huge advantage but his ball skills and defensive nous never kicked on. He was never a footballer but an athlete and like all athletes once that superpower deserts them then they are left with little else
It’s why players like Bergkamp and Zola and scholes and Sheringham carried in into late thirties at a high level. They played with their brain

Un

Matt B

Wasn’t aware that people born in 1862 were incapable of changing their views

Bob N16

True Marko, apologies!

Rich

Bellerin was declining before his injury. I see no value in keeping him around, take whatever shrapnel Real Betis are willing to put on the table, quickly accept, and move on. Numerically we’ve got plenty of other options at right back, we wouldn’t need to replace Bellerin. Once players who are reliant upon elite athleticism, lose that elite athleticism, what’s left usually isn’t pretty. It’s my concern with Tierney, his strength is in 1 v 1 situations, and getting the ball across the box, or with a pull back. Once he loses that ability to get past his man 1… Read more »

Freddie Ljungberg

Don

“Freddie
Next summer we will be ready for that level of signing I’d say. The £75-£100m bracket”

If we get Zinchenko and 1 or 2 more quality signings in this summer I think we are yeah.

No more need for wholesale changes, going to be great to only have to strengthen 1 or 2 positions a year and go all out on them. CL will be very important too though.

Un

Rich

Tierney is a better reader of the game with better awarenes and a superior pass, touch and technique. Once he loses that power in his game he will still have more than bellerin can offer now to a club like arsenal

Samesong
Nigel Tufnel

Bellerin stagnated very early on, then lost that extra bit of pace that made him special.

From that point on, he’s been below Cedric on the pitch in my opinion.

If he’s turned down offers completely limiting our ability to get a little decent cash for him, then he’s a little twit.

Hoping BNC has a great loan this season.

Un

Jokes Friday

Paddy is on a nudist beach in Spain
Out of manners and to prevent sunburn he keeps a hat over his private parts

A woman walks past sniggering and says “if you were a gentleman you’d lift your hat”

Paddy replies “if you weren’t so bloody ugly it would lift itself” 😂

Un

Nigel

I think Cedric gets a rough shake on here
I don’t think he’s that bad. He’s no Bacary but he’s a decent all round full backs and able cover IF Tomiyasu could keep relatively fit for the key moments in a season

It’s like this though, had Kyle walker not gone off injured Real Madrid wouldn’t have made the final
That’s the 1% margins

Rich

Un

With Saliba, we’ve now got the option of White at right back.

White can play that role, it’s the role he predominantly played for Brighton in 2020/21, he played there a couple of times for us last season.

I don’t see us stationing White high + wide, but stepping into midfield in possession, he’s more than capable.

englandsbest

Bellerin was a fullback who thought he was a winger, a footballer who imagined himself a fashion icon

Rich

If we end up with something like this by September 1st?.. Ramsdale, Turner, Hein Tomiyasu, Cedric Tierney, Zinchenko White, Saliba Gabriel, Colwill Partey, Elneny Xhaka, Tielemans, Sambi Odegaard, Vieira Saka, Zaha Martinelli, Smith Rowe Jesus, Eddie Then get a really good season with little injuries, specifically Partey staying fit. We wouldn’t be favourites for the title, and I’d expect us to come up just short across 38 games. But surely we’d be in the conversation, with an outside chance of winning it, if the cards fell in our favour?…. Maybe like a 10-15% chance?… Which would definitely be progress, because… Read more »

Un

Rich

Yeah
Man like Matt Kandela said the same thing in the pod this morning
I think it’s a sensible assumption but my point around Cedric was that he’s not awful and certainly better than bellerin for me. Shame about AMN though
He’s have been a very good prem standard right back if he wanted to be that

Mr Serge

UnJuly 22, 2022 16:29:51
Matt BWasn’t aware that people born in 1862 were incapable of changing their views

They would be incapable of anything except being dead lol

Mr Serge

White can play RB for sure saliba is taking his place as a cb anyway the kid is a beast

I also prefer Cedric to bellerin

Samir

Zinchenko deal official.

Redbearer

Nice one Samir – I’m very happy about this signing. Hopefully more to follow…

Karsa

Great signing. Nice to have it confirmed.

Samir

Tielemans next please Arsenal 😀

Mr Serge

Fantastic signing

Rich

Love the ambition in this interview, nice to hear an Arsenal player directly say that winning big trophies is the aim.

https://www.arsenal.com/oleksandr-zinchenko-interview-transfer

Bob N16

‘Dream come true’ – Gooner as a kid, Zinchenko is ready, willing and able!
‘If the manager wants to put me in goal, I’m ready’ – love his attitude.

Un

Rich

Not to be negative as it’s not my style but didn’t William say something similar?
Personally I agree and it is refreshing to set the har high rather than talk of just “competing”
I think we are going t surprise the country this year

Nigel Tufnel

The bit about Zin saying he’ll play wherever the manager sees fit…. very big for me.

Shows we won’t have an unhappy new player if Tierney goes down, and he’s not expecting to start in midfield on day 1. He didn’t come just because of a midfield preference.

I’d prefer him over Xhaka at 8.. and Sambi looked decent the other night, i just saw a video of all his touches.

I’d almost feel secure selling Granit if we bring in one more good CM. This won’t be until last days of the window anyway.