Let’s get it out of the way.
There’s a lot of speculation going on at the moment with regards to a Premier League player, some of it from people that should know better. A chunk of it is badly wrong. There seems to be far too many wannabe accounts trying to guess at serious accusations to create a perception they are close to Arsenal. Some of them are being exposed, even today, it’s a terrible look.
In serious moments like this, it’s wise to look at who isn’t posting content.
However this next week plays out, let’s remember there’s a women, two according to The Telegraph, that might be victims of something hideous. There’s also a career on the line, because if this player is charged, that is the end of their season at a minimum. If they are prosecuted, that is their career over, and let’s be honest, if they did it, fuck them, they deserve everything that is coming their way.
Best to let the police do their jobs and leave the outcome of the case to the courts before casting judgments.
Also, be super careful what you write online. Your tweets and social posts can get you into serious trouble. It’s just not worth it.
Onto football.
We’re being linked with Savic of Lazio. There are stories in Italy that the 27 year old is a target of Arsenal for a staggering £55m. This feels like the sort of story that is created to generate interest from a club that doesn’t have a lot of money. He’s a top player, he looks like he could be a right wing podcaster talking about cancel culture… or he could be a delightfully pleasant nerd that waxes his moustache and gives evening seminars at Peckham natural wins shops on communal gardening.
The Tielemans stories are ramping up, midfield is a massive priority for Arsenal this summer, we can’t be caught short next season, so we’re heading to Leicester with a bid for a player that sounds like he’s already agreed he wants Arsenal. It’s quite amusing to me that Tielemans wasn’t that interesting until people imagined him in the Newcastle midfield next season. He’s a top player, if we get him, it will be a major coup for us.
The Lisandro Martinez story continues to drag. The player has two offers on the table, one as a centre back, one as a left back. Does he want more of the same with Ten Hag? Or does he fancy something a little sexier at Arsenal? Hopefully we find out soon because we need him in the squad ASAP.
The good news, as it stands, is that we’ll have a first team ready for game one of the season. We don’t need Tielemans, Martinez, or a wide player for the first month. They are nice to haves, but they are quality and depth signings. The key is having a first team to choose from on game day one. So far, that looks likely.
Let’s see what the club do this week.
Pierre It would suggest to me that due to his injury Martinelli had to be brought back into the fold and given game time to ensure he was fit, firing and confident for the final run in. That’s ESR was struggling and was reserved for cup games and not doing the full 90 due to this. He was preferred over Martinelli for 2 crucial games during that run. Chelsea and Newcastle Chelsea and Newcastle. He missed 2 very good changes against palace (when he started, with partey) and just wasn’t his usual self outside of his performance vs Chelsea for… Read more »
Pierre Odegaard is 23, and he’s elite, he’s got another few levels in him, of that I’m convinced. He needs to improve in physical away games, he struggles a bit as well when we don’t get the ball into him early enough from deeper areas, but so did your boy Ozil as well…. His end product numbers also need to improve. But I’m confident that when you have his level of talent, and his level of professionalism, that we’ll continue to see him progress, Odegaard + Smith Rowe are better options than Eriksen, and we’ll have to see where we… Read more »
Rich: “Odegaard is 23, and he’s elite”
In your opinion.
Also
He started just 3 cup games last season and they were league cup and they were all beifre xmas
We played 3 cup games after Xmas and martinelli starts all 3
He also starts him fit the United game as well as the chelsea which we win, emphatically. Then he goes to the bench for a few games
Logic would tell me that ESR needed a rest and that he had a very capable alternative in martinelli
Yeah I’ve got to say Pierre I’m surprised at your stance You wanted Eddie involved and given a run, as well as a new deal and that’s what’s happened You wanted Saka and ESR to be heavily involved and they are You want us to play creative attacking football and we are building our side around ESR Saka martinelli vieira Odegaard Jesus and Eddie plus looking to add players like lisandro Savic and tielemans who are all ball players You bemoaned the lack of technical footballing brains under emery and now that we are moving back to that you seem… Read more »
raptoraJuly 6, 2022 13:14:22
Rich: “Odegaard is 23, and he’s elite”In your opinion.
In most arsenal fans opinion I’d say
But most importantly, our manager’s
Back to that* being back to technical footballers
Odegaard is not elite, and he’s not progressing anymore.
A bit harsh IMO. He was better last season than on his loan, and was better in the second half of the season.
According to a report by Spanish outlet Defensa Central, via The Hard Tackle, Arsenal and AC Milan are stepping up their efforts to sign Marco Asensio in the summer transfer window.
The Gunners have lodged an offer worth €40million (£34million) for the 26-year-old Real Madrid forward, with the Serie A champions bidding €30million (£25million)
Watching the highlights of the 07/08 season and boy how did we screw that up
Odegaard is steadily progressing, he’s the best young attacking midfielder in the league.
The comparisons to Bernardo are spot on.
Apart from the obvious difference which are age, level of experience, and the overall quality of the players around them
Very similar profile of players, very similar qualities.
Odegaard is a joy to watch, he’s an elite technician, that puts in a shift, and now at an age + level of experience where we should still see significant improvements.
Brilliant player, we’re so lucky to have him.
the 4-4-2 remains the best i’ve ever seen us play.
Adebayor/Edwardo partnership was brilliant
Batistuta
We had a brilliant young team in 2007/08, played excellent football.
Alonso was desperate to join us in 2007, had we paid the extra couple of million, he would have been a game changer for us.
Rich
Don’t know though, we had a pretty good midfield that year. It was mental more than anything after the Edwuardo injury. Had some really stupid draws after then
Am I the only one who doesn’t rate Asensio that highly? Surely not, right? It’ll be a mistake and I hope the rumours are false.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0Dz8SebIq3s
Odegaard created 2 chances here within minutes of each other with just one touch in a huge match against a big team, our direct opponents for top four.
If Eddie calms down that’s another assist.
Please note that Gabriel was again awful that day and at fault for one goal and let Ronaldo got for a second which was ruled for offside. Sol Campbell he ain’t
Sid
Giroud has won champions league and serie A since he left
Hmmmm
BatistutaJuly 6, 2022 13:56:40
the 4-4-2 remains the best i’ve ever seen us play.Adebayor/Edwardo partnership was brilliant
dont remember wright and bergy?
Thierry and bergy?
god i remember frank stapleton and Malcolm macdonald lol
Rich
Agree 100%
Batistuta I think that was the season Flamini played next to Cesc, and he left at the end of the season on a Bosman to AC Milan. We were after Alonso in the summer of 2007, but missed out over a couple of million, and he stayed at Liverpool Then in a game against Liverpool, Cesc went into a challenge with Alonso, that put him out for 5-6 weeks. Alonso for me was one of the best central midfielders of a generation, missing out on the opportunity of putting him next to Cesc was a big miss, Flamini was excellent… Read more »
RP7July 6, 2022 13:46:19
“But most importantly, our manager’s”So is Xhaka. Your point?
Odegaard was bought in as part of Arteta’s future vision
Xakha has been kept as he is stable, reliable and never injured. He’s also liked and respected within the squad and hasn’t let Arteta down. I’m more concerned by the signing of Gabriel and Tavares
“Odegaard is 23 and elite”
Is it joke Friday already?
Barcelona are pulling off some deft magic tricks with free transfers.
If they can succeed in signing Bernardo Silva from city to replace De Jong then they would have pulled off the fastest rebuild in modern times.
t doesn’t excuse all the mistakes they made in recent years but to get the likes of Andreas Christensen [26] and Franck Kessie [25] on free transfers is excellent work.
Regarding Odegaard, I have to admit that I didn’t rate him during his loan and had no expectations for him when he was permanently signed. He exceeded the low expectations by a country mile. There were stints when he looked untouchable mixed in with large patches when he was missing or hiding in plain sight. I do wish Arteta had rotated him with ESR more often, maybe he needed a rocket up his arse to stay sharp. He has lots of improvement to make to deserve all the plaudits that Un and Rich are throwing his way. I’m sure the… Read more »
Dissenter,
it is impressive what can be done when you get rid of the remnant of Raul “director of football operations” regime. Put people in place who are competent, at the club for the right reason and who know the market and the financial implication of messing things up.
At Barcelona the pressure is intense because the staff know that if they mess things up the club will disappear. Meanwhile at Arsenal, A&E will just ask the Kroenkes to fund cleaning the mistakes of the previous seasons.
I can’t believe I am reading all this negativity around Odegaard. He links our midfield and attack and was creating chance after chance only for our strikers to fluff their lines.
It is easy to put a player down because if they don’t meet your expectations then you can be proven right, however if you are wrong it is still a win win situation as they will be doing well for arsenal.
It’s like betting on spurs to win, you either win your bet or spurs drop points.
The negativity is that he’s not elite. Okay.
I don’t see him part of the title winning group at Arsenal. There are players like Saka, Jesus, Martinelli, Partey, ESR, Gabriel, Saliba, Tierney that one day might be good enough win the title with. Odegaard? Nope. My opinion ofc.
Any more news on Partey boy or are we not allowed to talk about it?
Crabgras
No one is suggesting that Odegaard is a shiity player.
He’s a good young player who has lots of improvement tiers to make to be considered “elite”.
He doesn’t have the consistency of top performances that the likes of KDB or even Mason Mount have proven.
It’s a case of measured praise from some of us vs the giddy flamboyant praise from the likes of Rich and Un
I meant* Crabregras4, my apologies.
WIh the recent news, Arsenal’s roster is beginning to resemble an hourglass. Plenty of talent up front and in defence but very little of note in the middle. I can understand the strategy of delaying the move for Tielemenas to increase leverage over Leicester and move out players like Torreira but it’s got to the stage now where we might need to take a financial hit to lock him in now.
Dissenter,
You low expectations were met by Odegaard creating the 2nd most open play chances in the Premier League at 23 years old.
75 – Bruno Fernandes 🇵🇹
66 – Martin Ødegaard 🇳🇴
62 – Kevin De Bruyne 🇧🇪
62 – Mohamed Salah 🇪🇬
58 – BERNARDO SILVA 🇵🇹
Bentancur played with the best striker pairing in the Premier League. Odegaard has been feeding balls into Auba who was finished and Lacazette who couldn’t run.
When you are defining elite, look at the company the players keeps.
Most chances created in Premier League 2021/22.
9⃣0⃣ – 🏴 Trent Alexander-Arnold (#LFC)
8⃣9⃣ – 🇵🇹 Bruno Fernandes (#MUFC)
8⃣7⃣ – 🇧🇪 Kevin De Bruyne (#MCFC)
7⃣7⃣ – 🇳🇴 Martin Odegaard (#AFC)
7⃣2⃣ – 🇰🇷 Son Heung-Min (#THFC)
https://www.fotmob.com/leagues/47/stats/season/16390/players/big_chance_created
Odegaard is on page 4 next to Henderson, Demarai Gray, Josh King, Sessegnon, Dwight McNeil, Jorginho, Che Adams, Tielemans, Pascal Gross and half a season Bentancur and Kulusevski.
Elite company if I’ve seen one.
So most openplay chances Odegaard is 2nd
4th most overall chances created
But Odegaard isn’t elite, and we should be trying to compete with Southampton to buy some bum from Rangers for £10 million,,,.
Some really interesting “Hot Takes” going on today…
Big chances is passing the ball on a platter for the forward. Odegaard don’t do these. His passes are safe and he’s padding up his stats cause all of our attacking actions go through him as Arteta has instructed. Not surprising we had another shit season in front of goal.
Does anyone have stats on usage % vs chances created. For example, in the NBA some players have the ball way more than others and so the usage % is an important statistic. Of course, trams want their more creative players to have the ball as much as possible but the best most impactful players will have the highest chance creation stats vs usage ratio. Not sure how that applies to Odegaard. From an eye test, he has both high usage and high creativity but his main problem is disappearing in certain games. However, his disappearing usually is a consequence… Read more »
If the ball comes 100 times to Odegaard and he gives it back at the passing player’s feet 100 times, then the receiving player dribbles and then shoots -> BOOM -> chance created. You can literally make the shittiest pass in the world but if your teammate manages to do something with the ball you’re gonna get your stat padded. And Arteta forces all of our attacks through him. And he always starts him. Always. How is it surprising he’ll be up there? But in the stat it matters cause big chances have a high chance to become a goal,… Read more »
Here we go again, ‘chances’ is a meaningless stat, big chances are a more reliable indicator and Odegaard was equal 40th last season.
Bernardo comparisons are well wide of the mark. Barca are interested in B. Silva at £80m. So why aren’t they interested in Ode who would cost half as much?
To be clear, the official definition of a chance created used in these stats is ‘assists + key passes’ Key passes are apparently defined as a pass to a team mate who takes a shot that doesn’t go in. So to be blunt, if you play a 10 yard sideways pass to partey 35 yards from goal and he skies it, it’s +1 on your chance created. So a chance created doesn’t have to realistically be a decent chance at all. It’s only a question of your team mate receiving your pass and taking a shot seemingly irrespective of context.… Read more »
Rich
The hot take is you misusing data to get your woozy points across.
You’re equating creating clear cut goal scoring opportunities with puny metrics like “chances created”
Lumping the ball into a crowded 18 yard box can count as a “chance created”
Odegaard chances created, according to Pierre we still need a player to play a ball between full back + centre back, because Odegaard doesn’t play that ball:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5toL3BdSW_E
Bacary,
100%
I mean, for balance, I was deliberately measured with my Odegaard comment.
It’s more anchored to reality than Rich talking about “elite”
He’s got some ground to cover to be in the midst of the KDB or Mason Mounts in the league. We are talking consistency here, not show up some day, then disappear in big games.
Not to say that a player with high chance created stats isn’t creating lots of chances. But that the statistical definition is pretty poor and only loosely indicative of chances created If your team mates are willing to shoot when the chance is not really there or it’s only a half chance you have an inflated chance of chalking up ‘chances created’ figures with this definition. Much better to trust the eye test than this stat. The eye test to me says Ode is a very talented player with the potential to become amazing – but he needs to take… Read more »
Pedro’s defence of Odegaard not being in the company of elite players is plausible and passes the smell test.
I can live with the expectation that he will get better when there a striker about him making clever runs, not Laca puffing around
There is a certain contingent here that will always be biased against Ødegaard and Ben White. It can only be because Arteta chose these 2 players.
White is rated by professionals in the game, and Brighton, Leeds fans.
Ødegaard is rated by a massive majority of Arsenal fans. Chosen just behind Saka as player of the season.
Imagine ripping into your own excelling players because you have an old grudge against a manager.
The lives of these losers.
Odegaard has ability but doesn’t seem to have the confidence to take a game by the scruff of the neck. And he tends to fade when the going gets tough. Sure there are some nice moments, and even some very good game performances, but nowhere near enough to be bracketed ‘elite’ yet.
Also Arteta needs to stat using players to push one another in the same position
I always wondered why ESR never got that many opportunities to play the role Ode gets
In reality creating a chance should have nothing to do with whether or not your team mate scored or took a shot. With this definition you can play a peak DB10 through ball cutting the entire opposition team in half and playing in Welbeck in behind the defense. Goal keeper trips over his laces, it’s an open goal. Welbeck rounds the keeper. Empty net. Falls over and the ball is collected by a defender and cleared. NOT a chance created according to Opta as there was no shot. But denilson pass it to Bentdner in his own half who tries… Read more »
He did get some really nice assist and pre assists or whatever they’re called tho
Which game was it when he played that one two with saka. Starting with a back heel flick and I think he finished the move himself.
That was sick
Nigel, fans having different opinions on players is nothing new. Plenty on here didn’t rate Alexis because he ‘lost the ball too much’ or was ‘selfish’. Nothing to do with an agenda, just a different evaluation of a player. The idea that we should all agree like sheep is a nonsense.
Odegaard was one of our worst performers in the last games of the season. When he had to rise above the occasion and give us his best games when it mattered the most, he hid and did nothing of note. It’s like we were 10 vs 11 in some games. The mistake on Arteta for misusing him and not benching him for a couple of games in situations where he wasn’t going to be very useful. And on Odegaard for not being adequate enough when it mattered.
Diss
I touched on Odegaard’s age, and areas he needs to improve.
I think he’s the best young attacking midfielder in the league, and that my friend, makes him elite…..
Feel free to disagree, but I’m pretty sure that as per usual, you’ll be choking on your words in no time…
Imagine not liking our own player who at age 23-24 has Ozil esque skills, but also works his ass off on the pitch, leading the press, defending, and organizing.
These are emotional problems displayed on legrove by some.
It’s funny that they ignore all the stats posted by Pedro and others above.
Never a response to those posts that put him up with Trent and Bruno statistically. Somehow those get ignored.
Err, Nigel, didn’t you read the multiple rebuttal posts to Pedro’s ‘chances’ post? Or did you, as you accuse others of, ignore them?
On Odegaard’s pressing. Absolutely he does that chasing thing and often gets the crowd going or tries to encourage his colleagues to step it up, completely agree on that. But is it effective? To a certain extent it is, but if you actually watch what he’s doing isn’t trying to win the ball, just hurry the opponent. Again that’s great, but he never actually looks like he’s seriously trying to win the ball. Reminds me of one of those little yappy dogs that chases but if the chased ever turned around and faced him he’s crap himself. Ultimately we need… Read more »
Sorry lads, there is just no world in which big chance creation is a real stat anyone pays attention to because it is so loaded with context that it can’t truly be measured.
It is so painful watching the usual suspects, constantly upset about good things happening at Arsenal, lining up to find ways to take down a 23 year old chance creation machine on an Arsenal blog.
Andy, he’s pressing to shut off angles. Manchester City won the league making the least tackles in the Premier League 2 seasons ago. How? Because their players have the best off the ball movement and force the opposition into making extremely difficult passes. Odegaard doesn’t just run around. That is a gross misrepresentation of what he’s doing.
“I think he’s the best young attacking midfielder in the league, and that my friend, makes him elite…..” There’s like 5-6 AM in the league. It’s a position very few teams have the luxury to play. Maddison, Fernandes, Mount, Benrahma, Lingard, Smith Rowe. Even the likes of Mount and someone like Bernardo drop quite deep in their own half and more like CM than AM. It’s a position that’s being used less and less. Because no team can afford passengers and AM usually aren’t good enough in defence and if they are good in defence and to start the attack… Read more »
Pedro
You have to admit that Odegaard was anonymous in lots of the big games last season, particularly in the second half of the season.
Does that not concern you?
As andy said, Odegaard’s defending my lord. It’s like he was yelled at by someone senior at the playground to try harder to press but he doesn’t wanna do it so he’s just moving imitating some defensive action.
Gotta feel for Nadal, looks in real pain out there.
What response to great chance created numbers? There is no response. Lots of chances created by a young player who also works hard for the team.
There is nothing to refute it. All you have here are a few self appointed experts, who somehow don’t want to see what the overwhelming majority of gooners agree on.
Dissenter Your comments on Odegaard are fair in my book and I’d tend t agree with them. Of course he can improve but for 23 to have the same numbers as B. Silva in his first full season in the prem is pretty impressive To be in the top 3 for chances created is even more impressive Were it not for our prolificacy in front of goal and lack of movement from our strikers then his numbers would be even more impressive. He’s not the assist guy to make this clear. Ha the guy who carves the opposition open for… Read more »
Matt, Arsenal finished on 69 points last season without a striker that could run until the last 8 games. Am I concerned about the Newcastle game? Sure. Am I concerned about Odegaard? Absolutely not. 23 years old, keeping company with the best in his first full season. You wait until you see what he does with electric players to pick out. The same people picking on Odegaard now are those that were championing Auoar and Soumare last summer. I’d say they’ll be eating humble pie next season, but they can’t even eat it with Odegaard sitting in the top 5… Read more »
Art
Odegaaed was brilliant against Chelsea and United
Probably 2/3 if our biggest games of the season (spurs being the other when the whole team were fucked by the sending off)
Ødegaard is the least of my worries in this Arsenal starting XI.
Un
Thanks for the nuance
This place shouldn’t be the arena of concrete thinking and waving pom poms.
I agreed that Pedro’s initial rebuttal regarding the quality of personnel around Odegaard passed the smell test. I hope he takes thinks up a notch this season.
“Sorry lads, there is just no world in which big chance creation is a real stat”
Pedro, the Premier League disagree with you. They include ‘Big Chances Created’ on their available stats however tellingly they don’t include simple ‘chances created’ You’d think that the PL know their stuff wouldn’t you?
https://www.premierleague.com/stats/top/players/big_chance_created
Rap
I never said anything about Fofana, I do remember the thread, but can’t remember who made those arguments
Nice to see your now onboard with teams defending as a collective, and impact players being consigned to the dustbin of history
I’m sure over the last few days you were telling me that forwards who defend from the front, are some type of new age, faux, pseudo intellectual nonsense?….
Regarding pressing from the front, pressing isn’t just about getting the ball, it’s about directing the play, and shutting down angles
Matt
Not art*
Mason fucking Mount is not elite. Get the fuck outta here with that nonsense! Anyone mentioning his name along KDB must be drunk.
Mason mount
Looool
Pedro, I don’t think that he’s just running around and I said that, I’m aware that he’s trying to hurry players into mistakes. What he does IS useful but he rarely wins the ball back and that’s something we need more of. And it’s pointless comparing with City that have something like 80% possession on a regular basis because they don’t need to win the ball back for the vast majority of the game. IF TP isn’t available we will struggle to regain possession and the point remains you need to win the ball first before you can get it… Read more »
Looks like we will be going all in for Asensio very soon after missing out on Raphinia. Not a great fan of him to.be frank. The least impressive player in Madrid.
andy1886 Of course, POdro doesn’t agree with big chances created because it doesn’t suit whatever point he’s trying to jam through Odegaard is on page 3 , sharing 40th place with Dejan Kulusevsk who didn’t start playing till January. I mean, it’s not like the “detractors” invented the statistic. This is how the premier league defines “big chance created”; “A ‘big chance created’ is defined as providing an opportunity where the receiving player would reasonably be expected to score and manages to get a shot away. These usually in occur in one-on-one scenarios or from very close range. A big… Read more »
Odegaard is absolute class.
Going to be a superstar that lad, he has it all. Very important to our team which is why everyone loves him. Except the ‘usual suspects’ on here but that’s to be expected.
Mason Mount not elite but nhis performances helped Chelsea win a Champions league. Go watch his performances in the CL that season. Chelsea won without a proper striker.
Get outta here
Asensio as a back up to Saka is good enough. We’re not trying to replace Saka ffs. Pretty sure he was among Real’s top scorers the past season. Would you all rather roll with Pepe or Nelson instead? Sheesh! Whiners!
Yep I’ll agree on that..as a back up to Saka, Asensio can be a shrewd signing
Dissenter one game in CL does not make Mason Mount a top player being named along KDB. Chelsea can easily replace him with any midfielder in their current team or buy one and they wouldn’t miss him.
Asensio at 25-30 mill is a better deal than Raphinha at 50 million
We are talking about players that have been around major CL successes.
I would consider Asensio a marquee signing, man is only 26 years old.
Paul Merson “Martin Odegaard has proved me wrong and is becoming the leader Arsenal need. He is the main man there now and the first name on the team sheet for me. He has really improved and is doing the business. I think the players respect him because they can see he’s a real player. I didn’t see it at first, I have to admit. He’s Arsenal’s go-to man and he makes them tick. He isn’t a leader in terms of running around and kicking people or barking out orders. But in terms of the way he’s playing he is.… Read more »
Izzo
One game?
You mean it took one game to win a CL?
I’m talking about Mason Mount facing up to the best teams in Europe all season and CONSISTENTLY showing his quality
Andy, I didn’t say it wasn’t a stat you could pick up for free on a website, just that it’s a shit statistic that no one serious pays attention to.
Just look at the crew using it right now to say that Odegaard isn’t in the elite despite being a top 5 open chance creator in the Premier League.
Conor Gallagher eats Mason Mount for breakfast. You wanna argue about that???
Mason Mount, valued at £80m by Transfermarkt, Mendy said Tuchel likes him so much he treats him like a son, he’s won a Champions League… but not elite.
My oh my Dissenter you have some shocking takes.
Pedro
“Just look at the crew using it right now to say that Odegaard isn’t in the elite despite being a top 5 open chance creator in the Premier League.”
So you shit on the other stat that puts him joint 40th in the league on big chances
The one stat that the league chose to use
Ok, you’ve made your point clear
Anyways…who we buying?
Dissenter you’re making things up in your mind because he played in CL for Chelsea. Did he assist or score winning goals?? Nope. Overrated player stunk out the place for England at the Euros as well. He’s an average midfielder that runs around and doesn’t really impact the game. I would prefer others to him. I would even prefer James Ward Prowse to him.
Dissenter, ‘big chance’ is a nonsense. A big chance for Thierry Henry is very different to a big chance for Lacazette. Unless you think every striker is the same? That’s before we even get into how do chances come into existence. In your limited view of the game, you seem to believe that the serving up of a perfect chance is a one way thing. Not quite understanding that the best strikers in the world make the best runs and have the best movement. Auba didn’t have the physicality to move the way we needed him to, went to Barcelona,… Read more »
Pedro, A rational thinker would see the obvious. How can something be considered a statistic with the descriptor “big” in the category? Somebody has to decide what’s big. It’s a flawed stat for that reason. Trust stats that are more objectively quantifiable. Stats like big chances might be a little interesting around the margins, but if you watch the games, you can see what all the fans see. The fans who don’t subliminally link Ødegaard to a manager that they don’t like, so they need to downplay his obvious good performance. Of course biased posters will search out stats like… Read more »
Honestly, only online Arsenal fans can look at chance creations and say, actually, Odegaard is the problem at Arsenal.Painful. We’ll pull you in it next season when you see what happens when Odegaard has a modern striker to aim for.
This ☝🏻☝🏻☝🏻☝🏻☝🏻☝🏻☝🏻
odegaard a problem? typical banter here…
who do we reckon this mystery signing is fab romano has us in for?
Pedro As you know, stats are just numbers if you don’t weight them. You have provided context but sadly that’s an inconvenience to those who are desperate to slag off Arsenal players. I tend to trust what I see with my own eyes because that tells me everything I need to know. I have enough knowledge, however limited, to have the confidence to make an informed and robust opinion. Odegaard is crucial to the way we play and has proven to be a great signing. The fact that upsets some people is very bizarre but we have the same shit… Read more »
“Dissenter one game in CL does not make Mason Mount a top player being named along KDB. Chelsea can easily replace him with any midfielder in their current team or buy one and they wouldn’t miss him.”
Odd then that he was in the final list for young player of the season whereas fantastic talent Odegaard didn’t get a mention (Saka and Ramsdale also made the list).
Odegaard is good. His assists should pick up now we have an actual PL winning striker leading the line and not a cooked Laca or past it Auba.
Big chance
A left foot volley at near post for Rob Holding. Big chance? For RvP it is. For Giroud it is. Not for big Rob
Header from the penalty spot a big chance for Torreira? For Giroud it is. For Gabriel it is. For Torreira it isn’t
Big chances can be subjective. Who decides wether it’s a big chance?
Pedro
“Painful. We’ll pull you in it next season when you see what happens when Odegaard has a modern striker to aim for.”
You must know that I gave you latitude for this line of argument
When Ode has better forwards making quality runs, he may go up several notches. Auba used to get in his way, in some instances blocked goal bound shots.