MONDAY ROUND-UP

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It’s weird that I want to talk about a transfer window like it’s a person:

I feel weirdly disconnected to it. Is it me? Or them? Maybe it’s because I see the power of other clubs and know that there’s no point in getting to excited until we see how the chess pieces land? Maybe I’ve grown up and realised that the exchange of grown men for money shouldn’t be the most important thing in my life?

Ok, the last bit was too far… I BLOODY LOVE TRANSFERS.

Though I am a bit despondent at the money being thrown around that we quite simply don’t have.

Haaland for £500k a week is mad.

Darwin for £100m is mad.

Mbappe for £300m is mad.

Tchouaméni for £100m is mad.

The haves and the have-nots in the footballing world are getting further and further apart, but what is interesting is was, as fans, lose our mind that all this money makes a mega difference… but at the end of the day, great teams can only put so many players on the pitch, and not all money equates to success.

Barcelona were dreadful last season, as were United, Chelsea, and PSG.

The more money I see getting splashed elsewhere, the more I think our strategy of getting back to the top can work.

If you are a young player right now, are you going to move to City and sit on the bench like Jack Grealish, or would you like minutes? What was the better option for Odegaard last season, stay with Madrid on the bench, or get a season in the first team at Arsenal?

I see a lot of ‘young players was our decision’ and it’s true, that’s called a strategy. But I think if you are very good at finding the young players, you can grow a team to the level of one of the bigger teams, a bit like Liverpool did to get where they are now.

Arsenal is in a unique position this summer, we are the premier destination for 21-24-year-olds who want to develop their career. We’re not getting the Darwin’s of this world who are the top tier, but there will be names that sit below them that carry more risk, but have the same talent ceiling. The job we have to do this summer is find the players with the high talent ceiling without the tall price.

Those moves aren’t always popular, but if you get them right, they can work wonders for your squad. Aaron Ramsdale was a terrible signing last season, the other night, he’s keeping a cleansheet against Italy. Martin Odegaard wasn’t at the level, was written off as boring, then he ended the season as one of the top 5 chances creators in open play in the Premier League. Eddie, I believe, will be a striker that fits that shape next season when he proves out his credentials next season.

Youri Tielemans also lives in that world, top quality, a little out of fashion, people calling him shit despite being a regular in the the midfield of the 3rd best national team on the planet.

My bigger worry is that there are rumblings that KSE are talking about sell to buy and that’s why there’s a holdup. Could the tanking stockmarket and overall pessimism in the world be impacting plans? I don’t know. The simpler answer to the bad news is there is no news and Arsenal fans will click on anything.

We have signed a player, he goes by the name of Marquinhos, and no one knows the Brazilian market like Edu. Do we have a Martinelli like talent on our hands or are we talking more like a Pablo Mari?

Who.

Knows.

Still, great to have another youngster in the squad that seems to have all the core ingredients needed to make it in the league. It’s also extremely amusing that Wolves lost out. It has to be noted, they were planning to send him to Grasshoppers next season, so this player is not for the first team just yet.

Right, short one today, see you tomorrow. We’ll have a podcast for you then! x

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  1. TitsMcgee

    These stats are horrendous
    “Aaron Ramsdale ranked 40th out of 42 Premier League goalkeepers in Goals saved compared to Post Shot xG, allowing 4.6 more goals than expected based on the locations for an ‘average’ goalkeeper. He ranked 200th out of 218 in the big five leagues combined”

    Blimey!

    He had Pedro and a lot of Arsenal fans fooled with his gesticulations and hand-waving early in the season but he’s an average keeper and a bit too short for my liking for a shot-stopper.

  2. Thorough

    I wonder when this hypocrisy is going to end – it’s just another player they signed.
    So at the back end of last year they made 2 astute loans and bested us, while Arteta, Edu and Pedders were busy saying ‘signings that’ll move the needle can only be gotten in the summer:.
    Here comes summer and guess who’s active again? Yeah, fucking Spurs! They have 2 very good strikers yet went ahead and are about signing a shiny new one that’s EPL ready, yet we are okay with the only striker we have that should at best be a sub and playing cup games.

    NOW, Partey’s absence towards the end of the season totally ruined our midfield. Those softies couldn’t play without him. But no, let Tottenham have the cheapest and most EPL ready partner/replacement for Partey that we could have easily signed.

    Foster, Spence, Ivan Perisic, and potentially Bissouma and Richarlison.

    IF that was us we would be laughing at Spurs getting Marquihos.

    They’re on their way to builng a team of 22 players while we haven’t even sorted our first 11.

    It’s shitty Spurs. Always only adding just another player.

  3. TitsMcgee

    “There was literally 0 hype about Martinelli and look what happened”

    For every Martinelli there are 5 Sanogo’s/Gervinho’s.

    What has Martinelli really done so far though? He’d thrive under a real manager I think but unfortunately for us….

  4. salparadisenyc

    Eagle

    TBF regarding Gnabry, if he doesn’t move to Madrid wheres he going? Liverpool, PSG, City don’t really need him. Leaves a very narrow space that can stump up the wages he’s after. Chelsea only ones in Champions league in very unpredictable waters.

  5. DivineSherlock

    TR7

    Last season it was Leicester and Manchester Utd , this season its Spurs. For me I rather hope Edu and Arteta are working on how to improve Arsenal rather than who Spurs bought .

  6. Jim Lahey

    “So Jim its like we buy Martinelli when he is a prospect and not when he becomes world class and unaffordable and since he is been with us , he has been called up to Brazil NT which in itself is recognition of his talents. But I guess they are stupid too just like Arsenal to give him a chance .”

    What? 🤣. I said he is still a prospect, not a finished article. You used him as an example of a success story, while we are still waiting for that… nothing wrong with giving a player like Marquinhos a chance, but let’s not hold it up as some astute piece of business.

  7. DivineSherlock

    Jim Lahey

    I dont get it you like Martinelli but you think Arsenal shouldnt have bought him because he hasnt done nothing so far ? Weird .

  8. Nigel Tufnel

    None of you wonder why no big or medium club wanted Bissouma at a low 25m ?

    He’s not good enough for those clubs. Not just premier league clubs either, where was the interest from other leagues?

    The guy is nothing special. The spurs are bargain hunting because that’s Levy, and Bissouma is their level.

    Wasn’t Bissouma throwing hints begging for Arsenal interest on his Instagram just a few days ago.
    Yes, he was.

    Fact.. the guy is nowhere near the level of Partey. He is a little better than ElNeny. We need a midfielder who can play a high quality pressing and PASSING game. A player who can contribute to the attack in and around the box. To replace Xhaka, that is the priority right now.

    A slight upgrade on ElNeny settles for Spurs, and most of you lose your minds.

  9. TR7

    “The spurs are bargain hunting because that’s Levy, and Bissouma is their level.”

    Since Spurs are bargain hunting signing average players who are not good enough for us , Spurs should not finish above us this season, should they ?

  10. raptora

    “For me I rather hope Edu and Arteta are working on how to improve Arsenal rather than who Spurs bought .”

    Like they did in the last 2 Summers? Sorry to say but we could have had a much better squad after almost £200m net spend.

    It goes back to this list where we have wasted hundreds of millions with not much return investment:
    https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/12535322/transfers-man-utd-top-man-city-psg-barcelona-and-arsenal-for-net-spend-over-decade

    We are ranked 5th in net transfer spending over last ten seasons.

    Liverpool weren’t even in top 10 in February when this research was made. Dirty money dark mafia boss Abramovich’s Chelsea sitting 9th.

    We’ve no clue how to do our business for the past 10 years. Artedu are just continuing the trend.

  11. TitsMcgee

    “The guy is nothing special. The spurs are bargain hunting because that’s Levy, and Bissouma is their level.”

    They’ve been to a UCL final in the last 5 years. just saying….lol

  12. InsideRight

    Look on the positive side. If we only sign Marquinhos we can still keep saying that we have the youngest squad in the Premier League.

  13. Davey

    Nigel- wtf are you talking about? Carry on saying he is nothing special for 25m, I guess you have not been watching premiership football for the last 3 years, you carry on buddy if it makes you feel better.

  14. salparadisenyc

    Eagle

    Can never underestimate PSG ability to throw money so theres that. Suspect Neymar does another season in Paris as much as club may want to get rid. Nobody taking that on barring maybe a Newcastle trophy signing similar to Robinho in City’s opening stages.

  15. raptora

    “None of you wonder why no big or medium club wanted Bissouma at a low 25m ? He’s not good enough for those clubs. ”

    Spuds are apparently not even a medium club now – 4 top 4 finishes in the last 6 seasons, we have 0 in 6. They have 1 CL final. We have 1 EL final. Where does that leave us?

    “Not just premier league clubs either, where was the interest from other leagues?”

    Same stories for Tomiyasu that he was offered to all the clubs in England and only we were interested in him. Did that make him a bad player? No, we laughed at Spuds getting ex Barca Emerson Royal.

    “A slight upgrade on ElNeny settles for Spurs”

    You’re having a laugh there.

  16. CG

    Tits

    ”’He ( Ramsdale ) ranked 200th out of 218 in the big five leagues combined”

    Through and detailed analysis too.

    And damning evidence of his true ability.

    His supporters completely duped by his buffoonery and immature antics

    200th/218 also illustrates why he has probably racked up so many relegations.

  17. Ishola70

    I think some are going to be a little startled at the lack of funds Arsenal are going to have for this summer’s transfer market.

    Arteta was given a lot of money to spend in a relatively short space of time by Kroenke but as the club have yet again failed to get CL football and now the seasons are building up in how long Arsenal have been off the top table we can’t expect the spending to that previous degree to continue. It has to dry up. There is not an never ending well to dip into.

    The line we are likely to get is this is a project with young players and we must be patient in seeing these players develop. That is not in line with another transfer splurge I’m afraid.

    Why you want to sign multiple players instead of seeing these young players grow together? That may well be the line we will be hearing from the club.

  18. Jim Lahey

    @Raptora –

    I guarantee he has never seen Bissouma play. Since Partey will undoubtedly be injured for large chunks of the season Bissouma at £25m is a simple choice. Partey, Bissouma, Tielemans and Lokonga are a solid midfield core for a 50+ season game. We lost out CL last season because our midfield fell apart.

  19. David.D

    I’m really surprised not more clubs are in for Bissouma at 25 million.
    Pound for pound that is lookinbg for a very good signing.
    I can understand no one biting at 45 to 50 but 25???
    Utterly pissed off that Spurs have snapped him up because he would definitely improve our midfield and a perfect deputy for Partey who cannot stay fit.
    FFS Tielemans AND Bissouma totally rebuilds our midfield for combined 60 million.
    We should be all over that and it means we don’t fall apart when Partey’s inevitable injury comes calling.
    Very interesting to see if after today’s nations league/international there are any incoming signings in the next week or so. Not Marquinos type signings but signings who improve our first 11.
    i wont be holding my breath….

  20. DivineSherlock

    TitsMcgee

    They’ve been to a UCL final in the last 5 years. just saying….lol

    And please enlighten us how many trophies have they won in last 5 years ?

  21. Ishola70

    We may be getting rid of some players off the wage bill but that doesn’t mean they will necessarily be replaced and with high quality players.

    Kroenke and the club looking to re-balance that earlier transfer splurge wouldn’t surprise me.

    Of course if CL had been gained it would have been a whole different story.

    Qualifying for Europa League hardly changes anything in terms of spending power.

  22. raptora

    DS: “And please enlighten us how many trophies have they won in last 5 years ?”

    Yet Pedro would have proclaimed Saint Arteta had we nicked 4th this season. For real though. We want to be in top 4. Spuds did it signing a world class manager and 2 very good players in the winter.

    We wanted to finish where they did, very rich to say they have failed, in trophies yes, but as an organization in their club, they’ve been doing better than us.

  23. Jim Lahey

    “We wanted to finish where they did, very rich to say they have failed, in trophies yes, but as an organization in their club, they’ve been doing better than us.”

    And to be honest, I would gladly give up an FA Cup to have another crack in a CL Final.

  24. raptora

    If Arsenal had been doing a good job as a whole, we’d be sitting comfortably in top 4 ahead of shitfest United and the yid spuds.

    Nothing much to say we’re going to do much better this window.

  25. Ishola70

    This is why the Elneny extension worried me.

    And people were saying nothing to concern yourself over as he’s just a back-up.

    Extending back-up players can also signify that not a lot is going to happen regarding the first team places.

  26. Nigel Tufnel

    Davey,

    Why was no club in for him? At that low price…

    But you and Grovers know better than 19 premier league managers and directors of football.

    We are looking for skilled players who can improve us. He’s a downgrade at number 6, a backup at best, and not nearly good enough for an 8 in the system we are trying to play.

  27. DivineSherlock

    Raptora

    Yet Pedro would have proclaimed Saint Arteta had we nicked 4th this season. For real though. We want to be in top 4. Spuds did it signing a world class manager and 2 very good players in the winter.

    Lets face it if it was the other way around, you would still be here moaning that we failed to win a trophy with world class Kane and world class Son despite being backed with transfers , so spare me that bs.

  28. WengerEagle

    Think Ishola hit the nail on the head with that post.

    KSE have pumped over £600m into the club since we have last qualified for the CL and for what kind of return?

    Will come a point, maybe this summer that enough is enough. And if you are banking on our stubborn rook manager to trailblaze his way to a PL or CL title without major investment then I don’t know what to tell you.

  29. Ishola70

    Arsenal need more control and physicality in midfield.

    We have been suffering for years in this regard with Xhaka and still all some obsess over is passing.

    We do not play teams off the park anymore. We haven’t for many years and we are nowhere near doing that in the foreseeable future.

    The EPL is a physical league. The most physical in the world.

    Cut your cloth to suit.

  30. Nigel Tufnel

    Ishola,
    I agree about the elneny extension. Definitely limits the midfielders we would add.. I just didn’t want Bissouma as one. I’d rather put the 25m to something else.

  31. salparadisenyc

    “This is why the Elneny extension worried me.”

    Agree to certain extent, definitely signals likely Tielemans or another similar profile the only midfielder we are bringing into fold in this window. All else going into attack and depth to Tierney.

    Arteta has found what he needed in Elneny’s late season play for another season, won’t go down well here but that is the reality.

  32. TitsMcgee

    “And please enlighten us how many trophies have they won in last 5 years ?”

    Top 4 is a trophy right? lol

    Or does that only apply to us?

    You can take those FA Cups all you want, I’d take consistent top 4, with actually trying to win/get better than 8th with an FA Cup.

    It’s pretty disingenuous to suggest that we’ve done better than Spurs have the last 5 years.

  33. Ishola70

    TR7
    “Elneny extension was a right decision. It’s Xhaka who needs to be offloaded.”

    They are entwined. That’s why I hated hearing the Elneny extension.

    It means yet another season of Xhaka.

  34. Ken

    “The guy is nothing special. The spurs are bargain hunting because that’s Levy, and Bissouma is their level.”
    As in Champions League level? Which is a level above us. Very hard to take somebody seriously when they come out with self owning lunacy like this.

  35. TitsMcgee

    Wigan won the FA Cup in 2012-2013 and were also relegated the same season, did they have more success than us? lol

    Jesus!

  36. Ishola70

    You don’t keep players like Elneny if you are being seen to be competitive and razor edge.

    You clear the decks of these sort of players and even more so if he is seen as back-up to make room for improvement.

    If he was a youngster fair enough but he’s been around for years now.

  37. InsideRight

    Don’t worry folks.

    Top 4 next season and a title challenge the year after. It’s a given because I read it somewhere.

    We saved money in January and we are in Europe. The plan is all on track. Trust the process.

  38. JOEL

    It is clear that Arsenal need to bring in not one but two Midfielders and preferably ones who are PL ready.If Arsenal do finally buy Tielemens it will mean that Xhaka will immediately ask to leave given that it will be his place which will come under threat.At the same time Partey’s injury record requires a “like for like” player to be brought into the mix and similarly someone who could sit in a double pivot in those games where the opposition’s attacking threat needs to be negated…This being the case Bissouma for £25m seems to be an absolute “no brainer”…
    Pick holes in Spurs all that most Arsenal fans might like to do but they just finished the season ahead of Arsenal with a team that consisted of probably only 3 “class players” . They do,however,have a coach who knows how to best use the resources at his disposal.If rumours are true that a player who only last week had issued a “come and get me” plea to the Arsensl Board…ends up signing for our annoying neighbours then I for one will be further annoyed by Arsenal’s continuing ineptitude in the transfer market.So far they’ve managed to steal another young raw Brazillian winger ( who we don’t really need) and give away two players who have both been consistently playing in two of Europe’s top leagues and should have brought in close to.double their actual fees….and otherwise sat firmly on their thumbs…Not altogether “fiddling whilst Rome burns” but certainly not supporting a Manager who frankly needs all the support he can get!

  39. Ishola70

    And before people quote me someone like Milner being extended for Liverpool there is an obvious difference there.

    Liverpool have been a winning team for long enough now. Arsenal in comparison haven’t been.

    Liverpool are generally happy with their lot.

    Arsenal shouldn’t be.

    That’s why Elneny extending was disappointing.

  40. Jim Lahey

    Regarding Elneny. The very idea that Arsenal would entertain the notion of a “squad player” is a worrying look into the drive and determination of those running the club. Each player in the squad should be pushing to break into the first team at all times and not content with bench-warming until there is an injury crisis.

    Every player should be looking over their shoulders in training wondering if there is someone looking to take their spot in the first 11. We have seen what happens when this isn’t the case numerous times over the years. When Hector lost all any competition for that RB position he went drastically downhill. Xhaka knows that no matter what sort of performance he puts in he will be in the team next week regardless, this doesn’t breed elite players its breeds complacency.

  41. Siddeeq

    Elneny is a better player than Xhakalson. He can do as well as Coquelin with a partner like Carz.

    Xhakalson is a jack of Midfield master at nothing

  42. Ishola70

    Arteta has had a very big turn around of players since he has been manager. New players coming in.

    You would think this inevitably has to slow down at some point and even more so in the profile of many of these new players that were brought. Young and so-called progressive.

    It can mean we settle for our current lot by and large.

  43. NORG

    The younger players at AFC are hungry for success. There is no queue of budding stars of the future waiting to be coached by the mighty Arteta. Why would Saka want a release clause in his contract? The manager may be happy with GX but are the younger players on a quarter of his salary.

  44. Siddeeq

    Arsenals woes with fullbacks started with Xhakalsons inclusion in midfield. Its a tactical issue Not personel.

  45. InsideRight

    If the club doesn’t give Arteta what he wants in this window, I wonder if he will want to move on somewhere else.

    He’s coming up for three years as a manager. Man City’s players say he was a great coach. He’s generational. If he’s not happy with Arsenal not backing him with more money, there’s likely a queue of clubs that would be in for him.

    It could be time for some succession planning at Kroenke Central.

  46. Ishola70

    InsideRight
    “If the club doesn’t give Arteta what he wants in this window”

    Arteta went with this plan so it shouldn’t be a case of him feeling let down.

    Young and progressive. That is the plan.

    And in many cases you don’t buy other players over these relatively new purchases do you.

    Arteta has had plenty of backing in this “project”

  47. InsideRight

    Ishola – “Arteta went with this plan so it shouldn’t be a case of him feeling let down.”

    I would usually agree with you. However, he recently called for the money to go into the market this summer. Truth be told, I’m not seeing much player development, just a bot of chequebook activity.

  48. Ishola70

    InsideRight

    “I would usually agree with you. However, he recently called for the money to go into the market this summer. Truth be told, I’m not seeing much player development, just a bot of chequebook activity.”

    It doesn’t add up.

    If this project is dumped after just one season then that is embarrassing really.

    He has brought in many players since he became manager and many of them had this young and progressive tag?

    Has he lost the stomach for this already?

  49. David.D

    Wow
    What happened???
    Not too long ago
    Alexis Sanchez was snubbing Liverpool for US.
    How times have changed.

    We could have had Klopp had Wenger not held on for dear life.
    I loved Arsene but he stayed on too long and had we been ballsy enough we could have had Klopp when he had taken a sabbatical.
    sigh….

  50. Vintage Gun

    “He’s coming up for three years as a manager. Man City’s players say he was a great coach. He’s generational. If he’s not happy with Arsenal not backing him with more money, there’s likely a queue of clubs that would be in for him.”

    Key word ‘coach’. Here he’s a manager. A coach at city doesn’t have full control of incoming/outgoing players.

    Secondly what club would currently take Arteta and back him with more money than he’s had since he’s been here? Someone name one, .. I’ll wait.

    I do believe he is a good coach. But he has a lot to prove to be considered an elite manager

  51. Naija+soccer

    David.d

    Its not Wenger’s fault for staying too long. Would you leave your cozy, well paying, once in a lifetime job , because there is another guy who can do the job better than you ?

    The club owners are the ones responsible for protecting their assets.

    If they have balls in 2018 to sack him, where were their balls in 2015-16 ? In a freezer ?

  52. Naija+soccer

    The sad thing is we ve spent so much money in the last 6 years alone to at least be playing in the champions league. Yet here we are still trying to lift off.

  53. David.D

    If they have balls in 2018 to sack him, where were their balls in 2015-16 ? In a freezer ?

    Naija
    you cracked me up with that comment.
    Good point though.
    Yes Arsene was probably not going to walk was he.

  54. Tom

    This is what Bissouma said in his BBC interview last year when asked who he thought was PL’s top midfielder: “I don’t want to be arrogant, but it’s me because in my head I am working to be the best.

    So I cannot say another name, I know in the Premier League there are so many good midfielders, but for me, it’s me because that gives me the confidence and the energy to work hard to show people I am here and I am Bissouma.”

    Now, does he sound like anyone Arteta would touch even with a barge pole?
    We sold Guen for peanuts because of shit like this.

  55. Ishola70

    David d

    “Yes Arsene was probably not going to walk was he.”

    Not when he had fans smacking other fans on his behalf.

    Did he ever condemn that? I know these fans were clocking people in support of him but you would think Arsene would have said violence is a bit too much here.

    For all the wonderful things Wenger did and they were fantastic the sad thing at the end was that he never left the club in a great position for his predecessor and he always promised that he would do that. And that in itself of course clearly signifies he stayed on too long.

  56. G

    For those wetting themselves over Bissouma we didn’t get him because we didn’t want another defensive midfielder.. and instead would rather go for Tielemans which is definitely what I would prefer..

  57. WengerEagle

    We had some huge egos and personalities in that Invincibles team in TH14, Bergkamp, Sol, Vieira, Cole, Pires, etc.

    If Tets cannot handle these types then he will never progress on to be an elite manager. No matter how great he is at Xs and Os on the tactical whiteboard or at laying out training sessions, etc.

  58. EdTheREd

    Maybe, it could be that majority of professional footballers simply don’t have any wish to experience Arteta’s non negotiables.

  59. Naija+soccer

    Bissouma going to Spurs is not the issue, its Bissouma going to Spurs on a cheap while we are in serious need of good midfielders and the players we can buy to fill this need are being linked to our rivals.

    In case anyone may have already forgotten we literally just missed out on making the champions league because we didn’t score enough goals and because we didn’t have proper midfield cover

  60. InsideRight

    Ishola – “It doesn’t add up. If this project is dumped after just one season then that is embarrassing really. He has brought in many players since he became manager and many of them had this young and progressive tag? Has he lost the stomach for this already?”

    You’re right, it probably doesn’t add up. It’s just a scenario. But we know he has always convinced himself that he is right. Maybe if he doesn’t get funding, having said he needs it, he might feel he’s been undermined by the board.

    He’s apparently already committed to deliver Top 4 next season and as our rivals are improving their squads we appear to be bouncing from target to target and could repeat transfer sagas of recent years. It won’t be a good look if the league position stays still or goes backwards. If after three full seasons he can’t improve on Emery’s league position (with the club a basket case as we are told) I’m not sure he will want to own that.

  61. Ishola70

    Insideright

    “It won’t be a good look if the league position stays still or goes backwards. If after three full seasons he can’t improve on Emery’s league position (with the club a basket case as we are told) I’m not sure he will want to own that.”

    He will still be backed if he comes a close 5th again next season by both Kroenke and enough of the fans. Whether that happens is anyone’s guess though.

    It is a young team after all will be line.

    Then it will be up to Arteta?

    Does he want to see this project through or doesn’t he?

  62. Ishola70

    Of course if Arteta nose dives in terms of league position next season which is by no means out of the question then it will get very ugly and he will likely be on his bike out of the club then.

    Or would a Europa League cup triumph compensate for failure in the league? Probably yes for many fans.

  63. Ishola70

    Would we be on the cusp of greatness again if Arteta bagged a Europa League?

    No. This is a cup that a midtable Bundesliga side just won.

    Would be nice to be back in CL though for a season but wouldn’t totally signify anything.

    EPL placing of course of more significance in where the club really stood.

  64. Un

    Cor

    Don’t visit le grove if you’re in need of a laugh
    Miserable fuckers
    This place only picks up when there’s a knife to twist or wounds to have salt poured into.
    Also dissenter. So Ramsdale cheered in the face of a much despised opponent when he missed a penalty… boo fucking hooo.
    Most football fans around the country were probably cheering and laughing their arses off
    He’s a hateful rat faced little shit and I think Ramsdale is a fucking hero for the way he reacted
    Once again, Gabriel is 3rd over two seasons for mistakes leading to goals. Not white. Not Ramsdale. Not holding. Not Tierney. Not Cedric.
    Gabriel
    That man is the weak link
    Jury still out in white for me but so far he’s better than Gabriel. Not by an awful lot

  65. Dissenter

    Un
    “Also dissenter. So Ramsdale cheered in the face of a much despised opponent when he missed a penalty… boo fucking hooo.”

    Yea, had Ramsdale made the save, I too would say boofucking hooo

    ….but Ramsdale dove the other way and the ball clipped the bar

    To then go and celebrate in the face of your opponent in that manner after going the wrong way… is clownish behavior.

    Someone needs to have a word with Ramsdale

  66. raptora

    Gabriel was also bought under Arteta. One if his good value transfers truth be told regardless of who pushed for it. Is Gabriel a good value for 23m? Yes, he is. Can’t say the same for the Rolls Royce defender for 50mil.

  67. Un

    To then go and celebrate in the face of your opponent in that manner after going the wrong way… is clownish behavior.

    Diss

    No it’s not. It’s a young man letting a hateful opponent have a taste of his own medicine
    We’ve moaned for years that the arsenal dressing room was filled with nice boys and now that we are adding people who give a bit back you’re taking the opposing view
    Bruno got what he deserved for being a dirty cheating little bastard

    Just like Van nistelrooy before him

    Good job I say

  68. Un

    Rap

    Then holding must be steal of the century as he’s given away less goals in two seasons for only £2m
    I don’t care what we paid for for Gabriel. He’s the Liabilty. Not Ramsdale

  69. Negative Nigel

    Tielemans should be the hacker replacement,no? Then why are we not all over Bissouma @ £25 million When we have an injury prone Partey? This will come back to bite us unless he turns into another Ndombele which having proved himself for the last 3 seasons,in the prem is highly unlikely.This really is negligence or incompetence or both.
    Still ,you never know,someone might give Edu a slap & wake him up & Bissouma might come to his senses & do a Petit staight after the medical.Uber on standby 😉

  70. The Bard

    Insideright you make an interesting point. Arteta has spent money. Some of it has been good and some bad but that football. Its not a science. If the owners don’t back him is it worth staying. Conte would say know. We have to believe that Arteta knows that if he doesn’t get most of what he wants he is a sitting duck for the sack early doors and that would dent his CV. Maybe better to leave citing lack of support. It’s a strategy that’s served Conte well.

  71. Un

    Sid

    He’s a centre back 😂
    He’s there to prevent the opponent from scoring
    Oh look I’ve bought a new car. It doesn’t drive but it looks great parked outside my house…..
    If Gabriel is leaking more goals than anyone in the league bar two players then I’d say he’s not value for money, despite nicking a few headers at the other end.

  72. into the red

    If Arteta couldn’t recognise the promise of Eddie in his own squad, belatedly deciding he was worth playing and offering a new contract, and has decided that Elneny is now a useful player, how good do you think he will be at spotting talent in other club’s squads, when he makes those kind of decisions after a season of not playing either of them?

  73. raptora

    Don,
    Chavs made a horrible mistake with Kepa, quite similar to ours with Pepe.
    That being said, they corrected it by getting Mendy for 21m. Mendy is a better keeper than Rams and cheaper too.

    If you go by this logic, Emi was ours and we wouldn’t have spent a dime and we would have a better GK than Rams now.

    What did Arteta do? Told Emi he will have to fight for his place with Leno just to bench Leno for a 3rd keeper one season later.

    Had Arteta know better he would have said – “Yes, Emi, you are better than Leno, I was looking for a keeper like you. We need you and you’ll start the season as the #1”.

    He didn’t though, cause he’s a rookie. He gave contract to Auba to then kick him out of the club. Did the same with Willian. Kept Nketiah on the bench all year long to say he’s sorry he didn’t play him instead of a barren striker. Arteta is just not all that. It’s very clear.

  74. Ishola70

    into the red

    “If Arteta couldn’t recognise the promise of Eddie in his own squad”

    Are you happy with Eddie N being the No.1 striker at Arsenal next season?

    If the answer is no then we can’t really criticise Arteta on that one. It would just mean that although he showed some promise he still is seen as not good enough by Arteta to lead the line of attack all season for a team that is claiming to want to qualify for CL through league placing.

    If your answer is yes……….well that opens a can of worms.

  75. raptora

    He refused to sell AMN for what was going towards 20m pounds, told him he needed him. Then benched the shit out of him. Now we’re struggling to sell him.

    Played Lokonga and Tavares at the beginning of the season, then stopped playing them for months. ESR was a squad player for 6 months in a row.

    I can go on and on.

  76. Dissenter

    Un
    Okay, you almost won me over when you used the Martin Keown vs Van Nisteroy comeback.

    ..almost, those lads were winners, these ones choked.

  77. Chris

    “a, had Ramsdale made the save, I too would say boofucking hooo….but Ramsdale dove the other way and the ball clipped the barTo then go and celebrate in the face of your opponent in that manner after going the wrong way… is clownish behavior.Someone needs to have a word with Ramsdale”

    I seriously doubt you’ve ever played a minute of football at any level in your life. It’s called shithousery and it’s a part of the game. You must be electric at parties, my goodness.

  78. Dissenter

    Un
    Ramsdale started on a cravy level but by the last quarter he was a bag of nerves, his anxiety seeped into the rest of the defence.
    He should have been dropped at some point.

  79. Un

    Giving auba a contract then letting him walk
    Not playing Eddie
    Bringing in Willian and David Luiz

    Let be fair though
    Emery let all of our creative players leave for free (bar iwobi. That’s negligence

  80. Un

    almost, those lads were winners, these ones choked.

    Diss
    Ramsdale is 23
    By the time he’s Keowns age (that day, 34?) he may well have a few league winners medals to show off.
    The fact that he cares so much means something to me as a fan. That’s what I want to see from our players. Not little sissy boy pushovers. Give the opposition shit. We’ve had it enough down the years

  81. Habesha Gooner

    Gabriel and Ramsdale are going to be top players for us under the right manager. Arteta has done okay but we will see if he has it in him to topple these 4 coaches. He should get 4th or he needs to go.

    And people down playing Bissouma signing for spurs haven’t watched Brighton play the last three seasons. We even underplayed the signing of Bentancur. And conte got more out of him than we have seen. I feel like Conte is going to use him like he did Kante. They have a genuinely quality midfielder for the first time.

    The only way we can compete is if we sign the likes of Jesus, Tielemans, Zinchenko, Raphinha all in one window. Even then spurs might have too much for us considering they will have Kane focused, Son coming back from a 23 goals season and Kulusevski in his first full season. Plus there are rumors that they are in advanced talks to sign Spence and Richarlison. They are also linked with Bastoni and Pau Torres as CBs. So conte might fix his midfield and defence all in one window.

    If Arteta doesn’t show some of that elite sauce that pedro keeps mentioning then I see one end for him. Top 4 is going to be seriously difficult. The only way he might stay beyond next season is if he wins in Europe which is easier said than done.

  82. Dissenter

    ‘Emery let all of our creative players leave for free (bar iwobi. That’s negligence”

    Who did Emery let leave for free?
    Mkhitaryan went to Roma on loan, he still had two years on his contract when Emery giot fired
    Emery didn’t get rid of Ozil
    Santi hadn’t played for 1.5 years because of his injuries.
    Ramsey wanted a wage deal the club wasn’t prepared to offer- he made 350k weekly at Juve

  83. Un

    Diss
    So a 23 year old goalkeeper suffered a dip in for for a few weeks
    He made vital saves vs chelsea untied and west ha during tat 3 game winning streak against 3 of the 7 top teams in the league
    Had Arteta got his tactics right vs spurs or Newcastle we’d now be talking if those saves as the difference makers for 4th spot.

  84. WengerEagle

    Bit of a weird thing to dig Ramsdale out for Dissenter.

    I like that he has a bit of edge to him and welcome the cuntish behavior especially against such an unsympathetic wanker Like Bruno Fernandes who has been the Ref’s best friend since his arrival in England.

  85. Un

    Diss

    Santi free
    Ramsey free
    Jack free
    Mkhitaryan loan
    Ozil ostracised and banished
    Iwobi £34m

    5/6 creative players allowed to leave the first time an fir no money and not replaced
    No wonder it’s taken us so long to start creating again
    The king of the six yard cut back Emery.

  86. Un

    Habesha

    I don’t think Gabriel is ver god at reading the game. His athleticism saves him for now, just. As he ages he will be an awful lot worse
    3rd most errors leading to goals in the league since he joined. White with better stats across the board per game
    Sorry but if we are gonna pick on players then this guys name has to be mentioned
    Erratic, hot headed, panicky and switches off in the box.
    I’ll eat my left bollock if he becomes a top player
    I think he will be on the next deadwood list in a year or two
    He was awful after Tierney and tomyasu were injured

  87. Dissenter

    Wenger eagle
    I like that edge to Ramsdale too but sometime I just think he goes too far with the dramatics

    He dove the wrong way ffs, he didn’t even get near the penalty at all.

  88. Chris

    It really is incredible how Santi recovered from his injury to return to a very good level in Spain.

    What I would give for a player of his class in our midfield right now.

  89. Un

    Raptora

    He did
    It was his decision to let cazorla and wilshere leave for free
    His decision to omit ozil
    His inability to convince Ramsey to stay
    And him wanting rid of Mkhitaryan
    He wanted Nzonze. He wanted Denis Suarez on loan then refused to play him
    His decision to bring in Dani Ceballos
    These were the men every wanted
    No wonder they overruled him on transfers 🙈

  90. into the red

    Ishola, no I don’t think Eddie is all that great. My point is that Arteta didn’t rate him for most of the season then decided he was worth retaining. Like Elneny. Favoured Nuno then didn’t. If he dithers around like this with his own squad, apparently unable to decide on who is worth developing and who isn’t, then I don’t hold much faith in his ability to spot talent in other squads. Pepe is another mystery, he might not be what he was supposed to be, but I believe he could have done a job for us and scored some goals with a bit of coaching. It’s about his judgement.

  91. Dissenter

    Un
    Gabriel is our best defender. He’s the most physical and athletic defender we have.
    His temperament and ultra competitive approach made and maybe language skills made things hard for him
    He also struggled more when Tavares was next to him.

  92. Un

    Diss

    Jens was dramatic. Ramsdale is just a young lad wit a big personality and he brings it with him into games
    Good to see some character rather than another dull monotonous clone. Football is missing big characters these days. We’ve got a few in our squad now as I’m delighted.

  93. Un

    Diss

    He’s not our best defender. He’s our worst. More mistakes leading to goals than any other
    Put sol Keown kos or Adams next to Tavares and they are guiding him through the game

  94. Un

    Into the red
    Spot on
    Had he brought Eddie Pepe and Elneny into the team at the right moments and have his players belief and encouragement we’d be 4th now

  95. Habesha Gooner

    Un
    You are disregarding the fact that he has had to play with Tavarez and at times Kolasinac when Tierney has been injured. There is also Xhaka on that side. Every time we had a full squad he has performed well. You think he is shit but not many will agree with you. He hasn’t been a liability. He will get better. The only issue I have with him is the fact that he gets involved in unnecessary altercations.

    I have to ask you a question though, why do you cut Ramsdale some slack but not Grabiel?

  96. Foxy

    Maybe being a bit optimistic but could Miguel Azeez step up for our Midfield next year at least in cup games. He would be more up to the physical side than say Patino.

  97. Markymark

    Arsenal need a bit of needle about them. Too many years of whingy , pussy behaviour. Hi-lighted by Wenger hiding in his dug out at Bolton over the years sending the wrong message to the team.
    That’s one of the reasons I’m happy with Ramsdale.