I’m gonna be straight here, if you call Arsene Wenger ‘daddy’, ‘papa’, or ‘father’ it’s straight up weird. What is it with grown men doing stuff like that? Do their friends see? What do they say? What would your partner say if they saw the tweet?
‘Frank, did you call a man who is not your father, ‘father’ on the internet?’
I wouldn’t like that question if it were true. It’s so very, very odd. Almost as odd as 30 year old Arsenal fans notstalgia-jerking about the good old days of Olivier Giroud like that was some sort of joyous period for Arsenal fans.
I was there.
It was not.
ANYWAY, let’s get right into the mixer.
NFTs for art, largely speaking, are speculative assets that propped up by extrememly rich people connected to some sort of larger shill. They talk of it being a decentralised utopia, when in fact, 80% of the market is owned by 9% of accounts.
I’ve worked in industries where a large part of my job is to see into the future, so I want these things to be credible, but it’s very hard to envisage a world in which it is mainstream to show off really expensive gifs that you personally own. I was actually with someone the other day that told me he had an NFT that 1) Was made by a fancy artist 2) Had a hard connection to a one-off special event 3) Meant something in culture. Do you know how they showed me it on their phone? They showed me the signed physical picture they had on their desk. Why? Because it’s more impressive than a gif on your phone.
Reality is catching up to them. Just as the Robinhood next-gen influencers have stopped stockpicking because stocks don’t always go up, people like John Terry and Michael Owen are now looking at handslaps and unhappy investors in their shitty NFT shills. Generally, you know something is broken when very stupid people start making their way into them. 1 in 3 collections are failing. Jack Dorsey’s original tweet sold for $2.9m dollars, it’s owner put it up for sale for $48m, it sold for under $10k within a year. Football fans seem to roundly reject anything blockchain shaped because they sense they are get-rich-quick schemes.
Overarching point here is that a lot of smart people went along with something that felt kind of nuts because… they didn’t want to be seen as old or dated. Why? Because some of us remember a time when the internet was written off as a fad, then it came at people hard and ruined a lot of reputations. We also remember a time when social media was palmed off as a trend, versus a new dynamic way to communicate, create, and trade (that would never go away). There were even people that were part of the clamshell phone mafia who couldn’t see a world in which and iPhone might succeed.
… so back to NFTs. The reasons plenty have sat on their hands on this one is because no one wants to be the NFT naysayer, only to end up like Steve Ballmer who said Steve Jobs should be ousted for his iPhone adventure.
There are similar ‘keep quiet’ groupthinks that go on in football.
Arsenal fans used to end any criticisms of Wenger with ‘Arsene Knows’, because his batshit crazy ideas generally tended to work. RWB to striker? Why not. Pires with talent levels of Zidane? Sure. Go unbeaten? Ok. Betting against Arsene was a fools game.
Antonio Conte has this power, people just put their head down and charge at the idea he’s going to be right, but if you look at what he’s doing at Spurs, it feels a little bit like being convinced that a baseball capped beaver playing a tamborine that was produced by a freelancer on a day rate is worth $400k.
If Arsenal’s summer looked like Ivan Perisic, Fraser Forster, Djed Spence, and Richarlison… I think there would be riots on the street. But no one will say it because Conte has had the magic touch in the past.
The Brazilian striker, who is priced at 60m Euros undoubtably has a lot of very interesting features as a player. He’s powerful, he has Brazil international levels of technique, and on his day he can be unplayable. But the man scored one more goal than Eddie last season in 14.6 more 90 minutes than our guy. It’s quite nuts that we’re seeing money going like that on a player that was very, very off his game this season.
Am I rejecting the next iPhone here or am I rejecting John Terry’s vision of a WEB3 future? We’ll see.
You know what else is interesting? Arsenal fans are very, very mean to young players. Unless they bang right away, we write them off like they are yesterday’s news. Nuno Tavares started the season for Arsenal very well. So well in fact we thought he could own the left-back position.
I stole this comparison from @M1_RAG3 off Twitter, because it’s striking. Nuno, on paper, has a lot of very fine attributes. Now, we know that data without the eye test is not the way to judge a player… but what data does allow you to do is understand there is potential there.
Nuno is like a badly tuned car at the moment. His body is too powerful and fast for his control system. But if you could teach him more calmness in vital moments and you could hone his decision-making, there’s no doubt there’s a player in there.
That is backed up by the fact Marseille and Atalanta are in for him this summer. Two clubs that know their way around young talent. What this comes back to for me is that we sometimes need to be gentler with younger talent. The Premier League is the hardest on the planet, not many come ready-made for the fight, but that doesn’t always mean it’s over for the player.
One young player that exited for non-footballing reasons is Matteo G. The Frenchman burned too many bridges at the club, particularly with the players, which is something people don’t tend to factor. Regardless of the childish antics, he had a great season with Marseille… but he’s obviously still quite burned by his exit because this is what he had to say about Bill Saliba.
“William now has Marseille in his heart, and I’m sure that he’ll come back to Marseille next season. So I’m going to keep pushing so that he stays with us.”
There are a few strands to this. Firstly, it’s a bit cheeky to put words in the mouth of someone if they can damage relations for the player. Secondly, in what world does Matteo think Saliba is going to turn down the riches and prestige of the Premier League to play with him and Kolasinac next season? Honestly, he should stay focused on his business.
Also to reference back to Arsenal fans writing off players early. Sambi Lokonga is one of them. I see people angry that we sold Matteo (because they don’t understand culture) because Sambi has failed. Give him time, put him next to the right midfielder, and watch him blossom.
Finally, let’s talk about strikers.
They are expensive.
Spurs are droppoing £55m for a forward that scored 11 goals last season.
Liverpool is about to drop £100m on a Benfica forward with 2 seasons of experience.
Haaland is joining City for a combined cost of about £250m.
Some Arsenal fans thought the club lacked ambition for NOT spending £75m on Alex Isak who scored two goals in 2022 and just 6 all season.
This move that we make is going to be very consequential and very expensive. The big question is how are we going to divide the money. Do we buy a Jesus and a cheaper striker like Scamacca that comes with higher risks. Or is Gabriel Jesus the man?
What is startling is that these huge fees clubs are paying seem to be going on players that have a high risk of failure. But, the one thing they all seem to have in common at the upper end of the market is height, technique, and goals. If the best tacticians on the planet think you need all of those elements, I do think it would be regressive if the tallest player in our forward line was ESR at the start of next season. We need to have lots of ways to score goals. It would make very little sense to me for us to over invest in long ball specialists if we don’t have someone that can hold the ball up and occupy defenders.
So let’s see where it goes.
Actually, one last point before we go. It’s quite interesting that anyone in the real world right now is looking at massive inflation, crushed portfolios, the tanking of crypto, and a beastly white-collar recession heading into dry land… but no one has thought about if this could affect football owners. When you are not funded by a royal family or an oligarch… do these outside factors impact the dollars? Stan K is a real estate mogul, things are teetering there, cost of capital is going up, it’s hard to build, office space is being rethought, will the headwinds impact how he’s thinking about investment at Arseanl?
Idle speculation, but our reality is we’re run by people that are affected by the actual economy, so worth thinking about.
Goober, have fun, neck a pint for me! Big love xx
Ben, I wrote for 14 years without ads, paying the costs myself… but… I would like to know what you think I should be writing for if it’s not readership and engagement? And for that you deserve all the money you can get from having to write this blog. I just find it ironic that you are sending posters On Reddit for discussing a subject you put on the agenda. Nobody likes spuds on here, but there will always be people who dissgrees with your opinion. Otherwise this blog would consist A few yes men and there would be 40… Read more »
@Pedro “Some of you forget the joys of being a football fan, it’s so weird that people come on here complaining that I’m popping off at Spurs. Get a grip.” Ah Yeah, because you did on May 17th and I can understand your reaction because of the hurt after the Newcastle loss you posted this on the le grove twitter account: SPURS: The difference, in the end, was the deadliest (least trophied) strike partnership in the EPL. They had goals. We didn’t. Those two will NEVER have a season without injury like that again. Spurs will not have the same… Read more »
Pedro agrees with Partey-Yakubu. that we had a “GREAT” season
Then there are these valiant attempts rewriting history by tagging last season as ‘season one’ of the project
Last season was one of the biggest choke in bistro
After all the extravagant celebrations, we choked on a 4 point lead with 3 games to go.
Nothing generational about that type of management.
I need some Arsenal therapy
I’m desperately trying to find faith from somewhere in whatever we are trying to do
I can’t get that big choke outa my mind; I’m having intrusive and vivid images of the number ‘4” and then a three game count down starts… then I wake up on Thursday night covered in sweat.
Is this what the call Arteta-choke syndrome?
Haha Pedro, can do. Whats your style of beer? I’m right into the hazy ipa’s ATM. Or ipa in general
Not many places do a Carlsberg on tap in Melbourne that I’ve seen
Lets hope Stan K is thinking of selling to someone else funneling cartel money like that club across town the kroenkes shouldn’t ever be getting a pass from the arsenal fanbase, especially le grove which was the only place calling time on wenger when it made sense to. the kroenkes have never done right by a fanbase and aren’t in it for the right reasons regardless of little josh’s feelings while in london. hopefully that creep is starting to actually consider selling. for a billionaire who has more money than the richest people on the planet, he’s handled his london… Read more »
Aitch,
Good shout on the cultural clarification. It’s a similar story in India where older peeps are often referred to as baba, uncle. It’s a shame our society doesn’t value or respect it’s elders as much.
Random thought while getting my kid down: Are 2022/23 the years of Kroenke or just US based Kroenkes? Lol.
I mean, Rams win the Super Bowl, Avs head to Stanley Cup, Josh claims the Nuggets are going into “championship or bust” mode. That’s 3/5
and here we are, a significantly bigger club than the both of them with worldwide reach with a seemingly pissed off manager and slow to react board?
Just some fun food for thought.
Next season “could” really be ours boys and girls!
*That’s 3 out of 6/7 sports teams he own with huge expectations thrust upon them or fulfilled*
Rams, nuggets, avalanche, arsenal, 2 esports team and the rapids
I know we did choke. Everyone’s mood over the off season is going to be coloured by it.
At a certain point we have to be understanding of the failure by the manager, and even more, the young squad… and move forward.
It gets a little dark when we can’t dig our way out of a little disappointment. Especially when we have a lot going for us. “Little” because there’s more important things in life to obsess over.
Pedro, at least has a healthy attitude about the future. It would be nice to see some comments from Rich.
If Stan sells the club, I bet no owner would put billions into a project and hire a rookie manager to cut his teeth at a great club.
It’s a bit strange to be bashing Kroenke and then defend the fruit of his [Kroenke’s] foolishness.
Kroenke is just a convenient piñata to beat up
He’s a bad owner because of his inane choices, one of which is appointing a manager with no head coaching experience then giving that manager the keys to a great club.
Benjamin, I write about Arsenal as a fanatic and I have 30% of the comments celebrating Spurs. I’m not sure that’s my fault.
Nigel, some people get strategy, others don’t. People still believe in silverbullet managers. Just look at Tuchel, one of my faves, he hardly moved Chelsea on at all this season. How many people saw Lukaku as their move into the next level? Same with United. They signed all the fancy players in the summer, then tanked. Then they hired an LG fave, who many said was going to roll us… and guess what? It didn’t work. People struggle to think long-term in football, even when it’s clear a plan is working. There isn’t a better plan to get us back… Read more »
If you compare the scouting team, manager, DOF plus owner’s backing of these 5 other clubs who are directly competing against us, you can see why many of us here are fearful. Chelsea have new owners which are bound wanting to proof to the fans their interest in the club and will invest heavily in the TW. United are rebuilding and have the backing of their owners to spend money. I put them in this order because I believe at the end of the TW that this will reflect the rating of their success doing business with incoming and outgoing… Read more »
@Pedro
“having one of the best young managers in the world developing the youngest team in the league.”
Finishing 8th, 8th, and 5th I do believe the jury is out on the claim of “best young manager in the world”
You can shout Conte is short term manager and Arteta is a long term manager as much as you want but it is quite possible that the short term manager gets his team to finish top 4 and help their finances so that they have a real good base for long term while the long term manager misses all his short term targets and eventually ruins our long term goals too.
Some of you really think like Instagram teenagers. . You just pick up buzzwords such as “process”, “long term”, “stability” and lose all semblance of reality.
Valentin quietly made a fantastic ;point earlier
“Having short term objectives that are successfully achieved is much better than having long term objectives that are systematically missed and then postponed.”
What’s the point of long term projects that are easily reset, unmeasurable with ever moving goal posts when you can have definitive short term projects that are easy to quantify.
Should I take it as a compliment that my posts are being summarily binned?!?
TRVL That comes with the territory of having an opposing opinion two articles ago I had several of my posts deleted and was issued a warning no reason given. But it is a pattern that once you have solid and unassailable facts contradicting the Arteta Fanfare as you can see from the claim him being “best young managers in the world” you are on thin ice. It has resulted in many excellent posters with real knowledge of football to no longer post here as LG is no longer what it was a few years ago. I do appreciate your excellent… Read more »
Kilroy, You should get a dog, because you can’t “get” a friend. The dog will love you, I guarantee that, and you won’t be so miserable about everything when you experience companionship. Maybe then you won’t feel the need to obsessively attack the manager of Arsenal. He isn’t perfect. He may fail this season, but maybe we’ll improve and some of us can enjoy our team. That can happen because you magically disappear when we win a couple games, so hopefully there will be less of you vomiting Arteta pejoratives all season on legrove. Unfortunately we’re stuck with you in… Read more »
Nigel, glad you’re optimistic.
I’m not a transfer hype sort of guy, but if we can do 2 bits of business in the centre of the park and up top, I’ll see that we are properly on the right track and I’ll be keen to see how the season unfolds. Without those 2 players, it’s more of the same I feel. Midfield I’ve been crying for a revamp for so damn long haha. Hopefully, the next could of pieces really pull it all together for tets and the young team.
I am excited, just not expectant.
I’ll be *more* keen to see
I would like to think we would do more than just 2 pieces of business haha. But those 2 positions are key
Ideally we upgrade xhaka, and have his replacement and partey as first choice, where we drop back to the same level as now with partey and xhaka, playing xhaka and his upgrade when partey is out.
What a mouthful, sorry haha
Goober,
I’m in complete agreement. Everyone just focused on forwards doesn’t realize how much it could help us to upgrade in Xhakas position. It would open so much for the forwards and Ødegaard, plus add goal threat from midfield that has been non-existent since Ramsey. It won’t be easy without CL, but I hope we can do it.
We’re not being greedy like spoiled Chelsea or United fans who just want signings as new toys. The midfield is an absolute need along with strengthening up front.
it would be a grave mistake if we were to adopt the same quantity over quality approach to our recruitment drive as last off-season, as that would undoubtedly have a stifling impact on this little experiment…there’s no doubt that there are those among us who would give their left nut to return to the days when the Wenger Cup was not so proudly displayed, especially after experiencing some unfamiliar lows, table-wise, which simply means that if we don’t acquire the kind of players who won’t accept 2nd, 3rd or 4th best, the settling malaise of years past will undoubtedly return… Read more »
Chill the f out guys , Its Spurs we’re talking about , master in the art of choking . We are getting our house in order and the glorious days of St Totteringham will be back again . They rely more on Son and Kane , Richarlison is just an inferior Jesus. But what they havent focused on yet is Hojberg , his form alone has improved their midfield . Its a very thin squad if you look closely and bound to have a collapse soon . Meanwhile we will have a WC CB in Saliba + England international White… Read more »
Nigel, do me a quick favor and here is a quick way to check what Arteta is bringing to the club. We signed these 6 players Nuno, Sambi, White, Odegaard, Ramsdale and Tomiyasu last summer, do you think anyone would buy them NOW for what we laid out? We have difficulties selling the player we want to move on, I wonder why? It becomes readily apparent of what needs to be done with management.
If we’re going to throw terms around like ‘one of the best young managers in the world’ I think we need to be able to back that up a bit. He came into one of the biggest teams in England, he won the FA cup which was a lovely achievement. He tanked his second season horribly. Last season we did better but still ended up falling short of where we could’ve very realistically been. Not sure how elite that really stacks up over 2.5 years and taking into account the monumental sims he has spent If that makes him one… Read more »
There is absolutely no proof that Arteta is even that good a manager let alone him “being one of the best managers in the world “.
Where is the proof?
Please please enlighten me with your wise and valued words.
Anyone?
Oh I get it.
“Forever optimistic”
That’s the key.
Zimmie2652June 13, 2022 01:50:09 *That’s 3 out of 6/7 sports teams he own with huge expectations thrust upon them or fulfilled*Rams, nuggets, avalanche, arsenal, 2 esports team and the rapids zimmie please don’t compare the ridiculous socialist world of nfl to EPL. what a joke. poor contrarianism even by LG comment section standards to be talking about the avalanche or the nuggets in relation to the arsenal. ffs. if you want to talk about the rams franchise realistically, fine, but the fact that they’ve done something for the first time since they poached kurt warner from the canadian/indoor (can’t remember)… Read more »
The separate Conte thread needs to be set up right away for the Arsenal supporters / Spud obsessing posters. I’m hearing tales now of 33.3% of the posting being purely about the wig wearing messiah.
Surely a case of foile-a-deux appearing right in front of our eyes.
My pet theory is that a number of Wenger obsessive sadly bereft for so many seasons have now found the new messiah. There’s no stopping them
There is no evidence that Arteta is remotely world class as a manager. He may be in 10 years time. Right now he is learning his trade at a big club. I personally don’t think he will last longer than next season unless he produces something special. He doesnt have the tools to work with and he isnt likely to get them this window. A couple of early season spankings and he will be in a difficult place.
Killroy-TMJune 13, 2022 05:19:06 Nigel, do me a quick favor and here is a quick way to check what Arteta is bringing to the club. We signed these 6 players Nuno, Sambi, White, Odegaard, Ramsdale and Tomiyasu last summer, do you think anyone would buy them NOW for what we laid out? We have difficulties selling the player we want to move on, I wonder why? It becomes readily apparent of what needs to be done with management. is killroy even an arsenal supporter? what do you suggest- forget about getting back into CL and just invest in players so… Read more »
Pedro – “Benjamin, I write about Arsenal as a fanatic and I have 30% of the comments celebrating Spurs. I’m not sure that’s my fault.” No, what we have are commenters pointing out, in frustration and annoyance, that despite over 2.5 years of Arteta being in charge and something like £250m spent, a new manager at a club that was in disarray came in and made some changes and still beat us to Top 4 while overturning a points gap and games in hand disadvantage. That CL spot was ours to lose. It was Arteta’s decision making and the way… Read more »
If pedro didn’t start writing about Conte and Spurs’s signings then no one would talk about them. They are irrelevant to us. It doesn’t matter who they have signed or what their fans think. What will matter though is next season’s results. Arteta has 0 excuses left. It is top 4 or be gone.
Habesha Im with you. The much touted ‘long term project’ went down the pan when the team blew top 4 despite being in pole position. If we had of clinched that spot we would now be in the market for 1 or 2 top players. This would have created momentum and lent credence to the project. Now we have to wait and see who the big clubs sign and then scrap for the leftovers. The job of top 4 next season is suddenly and mammoth task. All of it was avoidable if we hadn’t sat on arses during the Jan… Read more »
The Bard
That might be so. But I am sure Kronke will just hire another midling manager.
You think he will saddle himself with someone like Conte and go $$ to $$ with the big hitters?
Maybe another promising young manager from another league. We will just have to run through all of them until we hit a good one.
Dark Hei
“””That might be so. But I am sure Kronke will just hire another midling manager.””
Pochettino made for Arsenal. (The Kronks have probably not heard of him, though)
Knows the prem
Available ( no comp)
Proven coach.
Likeable and has excellent man managerial skills
Also talks about ‘projects’ at lot.
ps 1 . Talking of quality managers, Great to see A. Wenger looking so dapper and refreshed and collecting another trophy in a show piece final.
ps.2 Is Dissenters the same poster as Dissenter?
‘Inter Milan recorded the highest-ever loss by an Italian football club of 245.6 million euros in 2020/2021, as noted by KPMG’s Football Benchmark, the year it won the domestic league. ‘You think their fans care?! Before him they couldn’t crack 70 pts, highest finish 4th place in the last 9 or so years. He comes, gets 82 pts and 2nd in his first season, 91 and the title in his 2nd season. Now they are a club that makes 80+ pts on the regular after another 84 pts this season. A very interesting and relevant comment. Look no matter what… Read more »
Habeesha you may well be right about top 4 situation for next season. what is bewildering though is an element who’ve gone completely into meltdown over a 2 point gap. This gap has been even larger over the last 5 seasons and as we know from our enormous time of dominance last for considerable periods of time and often survive extraordinary situations, ‘Pizzagate’ ’ springs to mind. If TR7 or Tottenham Tom amongst others were somehow sent to an Everton site how would they survive the Klopp / Fat Frank divide. Continually harping on about the Wig Wearer who by… Read more »
Bard – the next season will make or break Arteta ( as long as he is reasonably backed in the market ) if we get top 4 then he’s on course. If he falls short and he has been backed in the market I’d guess he’s likely to go. Though would get away with 5/6th with a trophy I’m guessing. Be interesting if we finished 6th having won the FA cup and Wiggie finish’s 4th with no trophy and having exited at group stage from season 22/23 Champions League. I’m old school I’ll always take the trophy rather that rattling… Read more »
Terraloon
Excellent as always.
You spend too much like Conte-you get labelled an
Arsonist
You spend too little like Dyche/ Wenger- you get labelled a Dinosaur
You spend multi millions on overrated players, you do not require- you get labelled as Generational.
Strange Times.
One * Won
The Bard I don’t think the project has completely failed. But it will if we can’t get CL football by the end of next season. And if that happens Arteta should get fired. There are no excuses. But what I can’t deny is that we will have much better players for the next manager to take over. Our attacking midfield and the back line is the best assembled since Cazorla, Ozil, Ramsey, Kos and Mertesacker were leading it. With a few additions like Raphinha, Tielemans and Jesus, we can compete for 4th. And if not, the next manager will definitely… Read more »
Yet hardly anyone on this site actually goes on about a generational manager like Klopp who at least deserves real credit for bringing into the Prem a real crash bang whallop style with a winning edge
All we get is obsessing about Wiggie who repeat Ad nauseam finished just two points ahead and won fuck all
My Above comments was not directed at you Habesha btw
Marky mark Yeah I understand that. But I am saying these Arsenal fans are just worried Conte will deny us a CL place again. Conte is a top manager. They are just acknowledging that because Pedro brought it up. But they know it won’t end well. They are worried that he will still exclude us from playing in the CL again and stop us from reaching our goals in the mean time. I hope it goes tits up next season and he resigns in spectacular fashion next season though. But for us the job is simple. It doesn’t matter what… Read more »
“Yet hardly anyone on this site actually goes on about a generational manager like Klopp who at least deserves real credit for bringing into the Prem a real crash bang whallop style with a winning edge” Lol, what a bunch of fucking horse shit ,pal. I’ve only said a hundred times Klopp is the best thing since sliced bread. Liverpool’s is the strategy we should follow. VVD was the real RR CB. Fabinho was the gold standard for holding midfielders. Jota was the right transfer at the right time from Wolves…… the list goes on and on. And the only… Read more »
I watched Guendouzi play in the flesh at Emirates on many occasions and frankly I rated him to be a mediocre player. Yes he made occasionally a decent pass and he offered high energy for maybe 45 minutes, but the idea that he made a difference in the performance of our team was utter rubbish. Once Guendouzi’s performance declined as it frequently did he became a liability. More often than not when dispossessed he collapsed on the floor and allowed the opponent the freedom of the park. I recall vividly that on two or three occasions we conceded unnecessary goals… Read more »
ES
Its a pity the management at AFC didnt read the valuation of Guen in transfer market.
Not sure about that Tottenham Tom all I know is your horseshit is constantly bigging up the Spuds and denigrating Arsenal.
Going on about other managers as well ad nausea only confirms the mindset. Arsenal is wasted on you just blahing on with whatabouts conte this and conte that totally embarrassing.
It’s a moniker you’re going to have to live with Tottenham Tom
The bottom line is we either don’t have the money or we won’t spend the requisite amounts to compete. Ref Chelsea and the Russians 1.5 billion loan to the club. I’m ok with it as long as the club admit as much. It’s the dishonesty that pisses me off. They are conning us. They repeatedly sell the new project and its all bs. If you want to compete in this league you need a lot more money thrown at it. Chelsea gambled 100m on Lukaku and it failed. Its unlikely to affect their spending on another CF.
Perhaps GX has the photos.
Tom
Thankful to hear you say you are Arsenal through and through – but no thanks, I won’t f**k you sideways, backways or anyways.
Just another morning on Untold Arteta.
I think some very good points made by various posters above: – if we had retained Saliba, with obviously Holding and Chambers as cover, could we not have spent 50m on a world class MFer / prospect (Cama moved to RM for how much ?) – which of our last years signings would actually fetch us a profit this season. MO yes, others, not so much !! Ramsdale and BW would easily be a loss on the books today ! Going forward, and again the problem spots in our squad remain Partey and Tierney. These two injury whores keep costing… Read more »
Guendouzi is now 23 years old and should be reaching the peak of his transfer valuation. The fact that he is only rated £22.5 Million by Transfermarkt says a lot about how is rated in the market. Compare the valuations of players like Odegaard, Smith-Rowe, Martinelli and Saka who are younger or same age. Guendouzi has been playing senior first team football for 4 years and his rating has not moved markedly since he joined us. One thing is for sure there has not been a queue of clubs outside France looking to buy him. His reputation is well known… Read more »
ES
So why did AFC not sell him for a figure near to his valuation?
Emirates- my impression of him was at his very best there was a Charlie George MK2 unfortunately he did something else as well which was a lot of rolling about and leaving gaps. He appears to be a bit of a childish idiot which has been picked up at other clubs as well. If people around a UK club and a German club think you’re an idiot chances are you are.
Graham62
Yes. I’ll enlighten you. Arteta inherited a club that was a total mess from top to bottom. He was tasked with returning the Club to the elite. A long-term project, not a short term fix. Add in that he was a rookie, learning on the job, and the improvement is not just undeniable, it is truly remarkable.
“Guendouzi is now 23 years old and should be reaching the peak of his transfer valuation. The fact that he is only rated £22.5 Million by Transfermarkt says a lot about how is rated in the market.” I’m not Guendouzi’s biggest fan but i disagree, Guen has been a mainstay in a team that finished 2nd in their division and reached the semi finals of a European competition. Factor that in with the fact that he makes the squad for the world champions at the age of 23 is an achievement. Who cares what Transfermarkt values him at if he’s… Read more »
Pedro: “Same with United. They signed all the fancy players in the summer, then tanked. Then they hired an LG fave, who many said was going to roll us… and guess what? It didn’t work.” Pedro trolling himself there. He was the biggest fan of Rangnick and had a yearly post of dreaming of him and his vision. Good one Pedro! Also, I called that Rangnick will fail. His resume as a manager is – German Cup won 2011, Bundesliga 2 (2nd tier) title 2002, Regionaliga South title 1998 (4th tier). He’s been managing teams for 40 years btw and… Read more »
Guendouzi was valued at £45m under Emery but Stroller wasn’t saying how accurate his transfermarkt value was back then. Now suddenly, after Guen has improved btw, their valuation is correct.
The most important player in the 2nd best French team, that played in EVERY single game of the 55th games Marseille had this season. Gets caps in World Champion French NT.
But Stroller here rates him as a mediocre player. Can’t make it up.
Pedro: “Spurs have a team that is nearing the end, we have one that is at the very start of something special…”
Wait, what?? So we’re back at the beginning of year one of the process? Again??
Ken,
He said the same thing about Liverpool, that the people at Arsenal are looking at Pool and the end of their cycle so they are ready to attack when the opportunity shows.
Little did he know that Pool will have an almost completely new young, top class offence readied up for more 90+ pt finishes.
The wait and see principle that Wenger was ripped apart for (for a reason) now is supposedly a Generational thing to do.
Ken,
Processing the process is a process in itself,perhaps it is the process.
“Emery has a 55.1 win % for us but he was ridiculed but nobody talks about gentleman Rangnick’s abysmal display.”
I don’t think folks here really ridicule Emery or something. Maybe just Pedro.
He had to go because he clearly lost the dressing room. It wasn’t just results.
I don’t see why we need to big Emery up just to put Arteta down.
Grovers used to do that with Wenger too. Big Emery up to put Wenger down.
And of the day, Arteta and Emery have very similar football styles. Very tactical, very defensive. Very boring if I must say.
“And of the day, Arteta and Emery have very similar football styles. Very tactical, very defensive. Very boring if I must say.”
Not going to disagree on ^.
The slight nuance is that Arteta has actually been supported to handpick his own players. And we’re still boring af.
raptora
The point I was making is not so much whether Transfermarkt’s valuations are accurate,
rather that we have 4 young midfield/forward players on our books who are rated more
highly than Guendouzi.
The fact that Guendouzi was valued at £45 million by them whilst at Arsenal and is now valued at less than half tells you all you need to know about how good a player he is.
ES
Transfer Market has Saka valued at £58.5M – would you say that is accurate?
Raptora Ken, He said the same thing about Liverpool, that the people at Arsenal are looking at Pool and the end of their cycle so they are ready to attack when the opportunity shows.Little did he know that Pool will have an almost completely new young, top class offence readied up for more 90+ pt finishes.The wait and see principle that Wenger was ripped apart for (for a reason) now is supposedly a Generational thing to do. One of the most best posts I’ve seen on here in a while . Waiting in the wings we were told while other… Read more »
Pecko
”””””’Little did he know that Pool will have an almost completely new young, top class offence readied up for more 90+ pt finishes.The wait and see principle that Wenger was ripped apart for (for a reason) now is supposedly a Generational thing to do.””’
they also have recruited a young attacking player from Fulham ( Carvalho, 19 , circa £10 million) and close to another teenager- Aberdeen ( C. Ramsey, circa £10 million)
Seems to me ,Liverpool have a plan: are here to stay. and they are continuing to play to win.
So who can explain to me the short term plan of Liverpool by re-signing Milner and Henderson, while we go for long term plan of re-signing Elneny and Xhaka.
BTW this is the tour de France, there is no white shirt winner for young team of the premiership, but there is a top 4 trophy for qualifying for the champion’s League with real financial prize money.
“The fact that Guendouzi was valued at £45 million by them whilst at Arsenal and is now valued at less than half tells you all you need to know about how good a player he is.” But the question is ES, how did Guendouzi’s value get to £45m whilst playing for us if he was as poor a player as you claim? Are you implying that a player you deemed poor at 19-20 has doubled in poorness in the 2-3 years since despite becoming a key player for his club whilst collecting international caps for the world champions? I’m not… Read more »
The ‘waiting in the wings’ theory is BS
That’s what they told us we were doing with financial fair play
Stash money in a bank vault waiting for FFT to kick in and equalize the playing field…then go for it.
That never happened
You can have an interminable long term process or you can have several short term projects stacked on each other to reach a bigger goal.
Dortmund have been doing project youth with different managers but at Arsenal, Arteta seems to be the project.
The bottom line for me is i understand why we pushed him out. I thought the future fee was too low and he has been improving with Marseille. Good for him. Hope we’ve learned lessons regarding selling players and their fees and we move on.
I never find Arsenal winning games boring. ‘One-nil the Arsenal’ forever would suit me fine. But let’s be fair, Arteta is establishing a default mode of play that requires endless repetition.
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Damn, we missed on that boy Haaland 😂
With Nunez deal agreed with pool, I’d be in favour of a *reasonably priced* bid for firmino
Appointing Arteta was. a gamble but a decent one. After all there weren’t managers available. However there is a world of difference coaching the likes of Sterling, De Silva and the like and Xhaka and co. I dont think he is terrible but he doesnt have the tools to work with. And whats more to the point he isnt going to get them despite the ‘we have our plans already in place’ mantra.
Honestly speaking I’d offer 20m for firmino now. Can bring it up to 25 if it’s not enough. Liverpool will surely be looking to sell if they’re putting 85m on Darwin and have jota already. If liverpool would be willing to sell (they’re not likely getting more than 25m for firmino from anyone else), he would give us a more balanced and varied alternative to Eddie than Jesus and since he’s in the later stages of his career we have a good excuse to rotate semi frequently with Eddie unlike if you dump 50m and 200k a week on Jesus… Read more »
I too don’t mind boring arsenal when we win. When we miss out and play boring that’s another story tho
China1
Spoken like a true Arsenal fan, mate
“Nemanja Matić has just landed in Roma. He’s now set to undergo medical tests and sign the contract as new AS Roma player, done deal confirmed.”
There goes Xhaka’s only suitor.
So according to Markymark the sage, not going on about Klopp, who deserves it, is just as bad as going on about Klopp because it confirms the mindset.
Whiplash , not nausea would be my first concern.
Care to give some of those examples of mine denigrating the Arsenal to back up your claims?
I bet not, eh?
Man City now have a better chance to win the CL barring Pep having a galaxy brain moment in the final.
Haaland has been a City fan his whole life…………….. apparently.
EB…. apart from Leverkusen. Hopefully
China1
“Honestly speaking I’d offer 20m for firmino now. Can bring it up to 25 if it’s not enough. Liverpool will surely be looking to sell if they’re putting 85m on Darwin and have jota already.”
The questions is, would he want to come?
We have to come to terms with the fact that we aren’t as attractive a destination as we used to be, for different reasons.
Chrispy: “Haaland has been a City fan his whole life…………….. apparently.”
Considering his dad played there and Man City have been an EPL dominant in Haaland’s childhood, in addition to arguably the world’s best manager being there for 6-7 years, it’s not that hard to believe. He said he’s been watching their games for as long as he can remember and he’s watched games at the Etihad. Sounds too honest to doubt it.
Dissenter maybe not but he’s not got the star appeal to waltz into the first team of many teams of comparable size to us. We are in London, can pay his wages etc.
I think Firmino for 25m would honestly be a great deal for all concerned. A really good experienced player who offers something different from what we already have.
But this is arsenal so even if we wanted him it we’d probably bid 70m lol
Obviously FUCK city but I am excited to have Haaland in the PL
I used to hate the endless droning on and on about la logs because of Messi vs Ronaldo. Now Spain has neither of the two biggest names in world football. And when Mbappe does invariably get bored of beating on small French teams with his OP PSG team mates, he might even cast an eye over to England and think fuck it I’d rather go there where the action and Haaland is rather than beating on the Spanish league by myself
Just imagine *if* you could have firmino for 25m compared with Jesus for 50m. You could use that extra 25m to get someone like Aouar (with plenty of change left over) on top of Tielemans And whatever that leftover change is would go on top of whatever we can get for Pepe towards his replacement too (provided we didn’t go for an expensive winger) So we could have Firmino and Eddie as CFs Partey Tielemans and Aouar all competing for 2 CM spots (Sambi for rotation only) A promising affordable winger to replace Pepe Saliba is back Obviously we all… Read more »
Hot take no doubt but Haaland will not go on to be close to Messi or Ronaldo.
He is a goalscoring machine and may score 50+ a season like them but he will never even come close to their all-round influence, especially Messi’s.
I see him as more of a prime Lewandowski regen only more powerful and athletic and not as technically gifted.
Didn’t he grow up supporting Leeds btw? He was born in Leeds and has been quoted saying as much.