END OF SEASON SIGN-OFF: 5TH JUST THE START

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Well, here we are people, the end of the season is here, and though technically there’s still something on it, we know the chances of Norwich pulling an upset are about as likely as Kylian Mbappe pivoting on PSG to dedicate himself to the Arsenal Youth Project for 6 years.

The Everton home game is basically a nice day in the sunshine for the home fans to say goodbye to a season that has been pretty fun by most standards.

Fun you say?

Yes, fun.

We competed until the last game of the season, we haven’t had that in a long time. By the end of today we’ll have won 22 games. We got to know a new batch of very awesome players. Arsenal fans started to enjoy each other again.

That is a fun season.

I managed to attend a pretty healthy chunk of games this season and I can categorically say I’ve never seen the fanbase this united around a project. I don’t think it would be an exaggeration to say that the best thing Mikel Arteta has done for Arsenal is reignite the passion in the base by putting out a team of very likeable young players that are tied to an ambitious vision.

This was the topline take from the manager:

I think it’s been a long journey again and a very challenging one this season, but I think that we have come a long way as a club and as a team, I think we have transformed the energy, the vibe and expectation of this football club again. We’ve done it together, showing incredible unity between the staff, the players, everybody in the club, and especially with our people, which has been incredibly supportive throughout the season, especially in difficult moments.

And now I can sense that I have the hope and expectations to move this club to the place that it deserves. We’ve done it the way we predicted with the project that we set a year ago. With a lot of young players, with the senior players helping and with our crowds again in our stadium and with a real sense of connection around the place.

So we are back in Europe. We don’t know where, it will be decided. Hopefully, it will be Champions League. I believe that we’re going to do what we have to do. We are going to be cheering for Norwich to do what they can do, for sure, and after that, we want to take the club to the next level.

That’s the ambition. In order to do that we have a very clear plan again, how we want to do it and execute it, and there are no secrets. We need resources and we need to increase the quality and the depth of the squad as long we maintain in the same way who we are as a club and the people that we have next to us.

There were a few people trying to find ways to slag off Arteta for his comments in the media before the game, but the blows don’t really land for me.

The basics are difficult to argue:

  • Our season delivered Europe. Most didn’t think we’d finish 5th. No one thought we’d be competing for top 4 this late in the season. If you are disappointed we didn’t make top 4, admit that you are disappointed because the standards were raised against the odds this season.
  • Top 4 is not the target, Top 1 is. Arteta wants top 4 next season, a title challenge the season after, that is ambition.
  • We have a ways to go, but the foundations are extremely strong. We have the youngest squad in the league, no team this young has finished this high in the league in the last decade, the future is so bright it’s hurting my eyes.

The path forward hasn’t been this clear in a very long time.

  • We need a world-class striker capable striker 21-24.
  • Some additional goals in the frontline
  • We need to sign our best players down to new deals
  • We need 2 quality midfielders to compete with Thomas Partey

Arteta was pretty adamant about taking the righteous path on the January window. Clearly, everyone at the top didn’t see a signing we could make that would ‘move the needle’ so they didn’t sign anyone. That gives us freedom to move at targets that will take us to the promised land this summer. Say what you will, but it takes discipline to keep your powder dry… but if you hold off, you really can’t fuck up your decisions in the summer.

Your move, Edu.

Next season, the objective is 100% clear, it’s Top 4 for Arteta.

Tying down our new players is the key objective of the summer, no doubt. There’s been a bit of a stir in the media because apparently Saka has asked for a release clause if we don’t make top 4. I don’t know what the deal is on those things, I know United didn’t sign Haaland before Dortmund because they wouldn’t accept a release clause, I’m not sure Arsenal would want to invite ‘clause panic’ uncertainty, especially in a world where PSG can pay a player £100m to stay for 2 more seasons, but if we aren’t making top 4, he’ll stamp his feet to leave anyway. Barca had a Neymar clause, the Madrid clubs have players with clauses, I just think it’s the way of modern contract… because no one wants to be in Harry Kane’s purgatory.

We also have to accept our reality: At some point, one of our crown jewels is going to exit the project. Klopp lost Coutinho who funded Alisson and VVD. There’s a high chance we might have to do something grim like that at some point, but let’s look to the positive: Saka wants to sign right now.

There are rumblings in France that Saliba wants to stay with Marseille, again, this story is so fucking boring and I refuse to get emotionally invested in it… but let’s be real here, Marseille registering interest in Saliba is like me putting forward interest in purchasing Thierry Henry’s North London penthouse… the intent might be there, but we’re not living in a Marseille metaverse where they have money, so it’s bollocks. These stories work for a player that wants assurances and a new deal, let’s also remember that.

I really hope the Everton game is a fun blowout. We need to win because 69 points is a good haul for a season and 66 is not so impressive.

One would imagine the Everton players went out on the lash and haven’t paid much attention to what is happening in London after that Palace win. I’ve never seen a team celebrate staying up after a horrible season with more glory than Everton. Their disgusting fans that invaded the pitch and stepped to Patrick Vieira deserved relegation. Frank Lampard talking about his epic achievement of taking them from 16th to 16th is so embarrassing, it’s almost at Spurs DVD levels. I would love to slap them about tomorrow and give some debuts to the kids that have been sitting on the bench.

Before I go, I just wanted to say a huge thanks to all the folk that come back to this site relentlessly to read the blog as we head into YEAR 15 of existence. Thank you to the Grovers in the comments section who keep things to an off-the-scale Scoville heat level all season. Thank you to anyone that sent me an e-mail this season, I read them all, you are too kind. Thank you to all the new people that entered the Le Grove world via The Arsenal Opinion that has been crushing it in the football podcasts charts around the world. Also, thank you to Matt Kandela and Johnny Cochrane for making the podcast properly amazing, I love you guys so much. Thank you to Mike McDonald for his mega scouting contributions. Finally, let’s send some big love to all those that didn’t make it through the season, you’ll be missed, we love you, I am thankful we’re part of such an amazing community that makes those sad moments for those left behind a little more bearable. x

BIG LOVE, crack open a beer, let’s have a nice afternoon and celebrate with an On The Whistle season ender! x

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andy1886

*their fitness (not ‘there’)

Mr Serge

Andy is correct we need8 or 9 players and we need to gt rid of 5 at least pepe, holding, leno, xhaka,
LT

spare FB
2 strikers
2 cm
winger at the least

Guns of Hackney

When the pressure is off, we look world class. Spin this season all you want, we finished outside the CL places again and spent a fortune. These players will want to play at the best clubs, and we are NOT one of them.

Saliva. Gone.

If you think the club has moved forward since the bad old Wenger days, you’re delusional. Where’s a goalscorer? Where are the great defenders?

No one is coming to change and improve Arsenal.

AFC Forever

Andy I think fans need to stop using overplaying as a throwaway phrase they don’t understand. Based on biochemical markers overall recovery time for an athlete at professional level is around 72 hours. Physical recovery is actually 48 hours but that isn’t ideal from a muscle perspective. Other things like age and training/playing load may affect that. It is why midweek games are a problem because they interfere with the 72 hour measurement. This is all monitored by the fitness team with data fed back to the manager. If the fitness team say no he’s not ready unlikely he will… Read more »

AFC Forever

*LB

Nelson

Mr. Serge

That’s what I wrote:
NelsonMay 23, 2022 11:33:57
Rumor is that Spuds wants to steal Gabriel Jesus right in front of our nose. That would be a blow to those who thought that we still have major pulling power,.
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So, you BS. Where do you read “agenda driven”. in my post? I just pointed out that the Spuds also wants Jesus. I want us to sign Jesus. I don’t want Spuds to sign him.

WengerEagle

Marko

Maignan was an absolute bargain buy, amazing GK.

Almuniasaynomore and myself were asking for him before Milan swooped in last summer. Only cost them £15m odd.

Tomori was also a brilliant buy. £40m for Maignan and Tomori combined who are 26 and 24. They have conceded just 9 goals since the turn of 2022.

While we spent £80m on White and Ramsdale…

Emiratesstroller

Terraloon When the Kroenke family bought into Arsenal the criticism was not that they would leverage the club but that they knew nothing about football AND none of their other sports agencies were particularly successful. The other point made was that they never sold assets and that argument was to some extent reconfirmed when they refused to entertain bids from Spotify and Usmanov. There is absolutely no evidence that the Kronke family will sell or entertain bids in the fashion you describe and Josh Kroenke appears to be the person who is now actively involved in running the club and… Read more »

raptora

Squawka 10:59 PM · May 12, 2022
Aaron Ramsdale has conceded more goals (14) than he has made saves (12) in the Premier League since the start of April. 😲

What a goalkeeper!

Terraloon

AFC Are you that desperate to be so damn pedantic? Liverpool have seen Mane, Salah, Van Dijk all clock up 50 games this season. Not for the first time either. Arguably their three best players. Trent has played 46. At West Ham Declan Rice has played in 50 games. Harry Kane has also played 50 games. Lets’ add to that list; Son 45 games, Hoijberg 46 games. I could go on. How many of these are injured? None. Todays players are athletes. It is reasonable to expect them to be able to play throughout the season. Especially with so many… Read more »

Valentin

Some Liverpool players have played 50 games, but how many of those games were physically taxing. Big teams tend to swat teams early and then relax. The Invincibles used to be 3-0 up against lowly teams within 30 minutes. The second halves were then a gentle stroll. Chelsea has never been behind at half time this season, so they never had to spend energy chasing games. So their main men can then play only 60 minutes and be replaced by somebody else for the remainder of the games. That keep their players fresh, but also involves the bench so they… Read more »

Batistuta

Yesterday was a brilliant day for me, first league title in 11 years baby.

Hold my hands up on Kulukevski, looked the most bland player at Juve but boy is he enjoying himself.

Season can be broken down in two phases for me, we spent foolishly last summer and then refused to spend in January after offloading players who could have helped push us over the line

Marko

WE some clubs can just spot a bargain and get it over the line meanwhile we continue to overspend on players who don’t move the needle at all for us

Marko

Onana going to inter for nothing as well.

TR7

Antonio Conte is an amazing manager. He has been successful at every club he has managed and most importantly he delivers instant success. It’s rather fitting that the best 4 managers in the league have finished top 4.

Tom

“We haven’t overplayed anyone. Players are monitored physically, I’ve been to a top club and seen what goes on first hand. These players are top athletes today. Let’s have a sensible conversation free from agenda, this amateur fitness expert stuff does my head in.” AFC, you may have seen what goes on first hand at a top club as far the monitoring goes but that’s not what takes place a lot of times in a pinch, when a manager leaves it completely up to a player to make a game time decision, which more times than not is a yes,… Read more »

Valentin

The problem is that Arteta wields too much influence on the purchase of players. Also Edu knows that if he were to buy a player when Arteta suggested a different one, Arteta would rather ostracise that player than play him. At Liverpool, Klopp wanted Brandt instead of Salah, but once Salah was there, he played him instead of sulling and destroying his confidence to make a point. At Arsenal, Arteta did not fancy Saliba so we had buy an inferior player at an inflated price Ben White. PSG offered Alphonse Aréola to Arsenal on a season long loan with an… Read more »

TR7

“Two decisions that any decent DoF would have pushed back. if Luis Campos had been in charge, Arsenal would not have squandered money on those.”

The real problem is Arteta not having a good eye for players.

Had he chosen Maddison ahead of Ode, Emi ahead of Ramsdale, Saliba ahead of White and any half decent midfielder ahead of Xhaka, Arsenal would have been in top 4 without a shadow of a doubt. Arteta will waste a lot of money in the upcoming transfer window too and leave the club high and dry.

DivineSherlock

So now Ramsdale is poor eh ? ohh you guys get a grip .

Naija+soccer

Raptora

Ramsdale was really good for us till maybe January ? It felt like he had something to prove to the fans. But ever since the team has bought into him, he’s gone to shit since.

Terraloon

Tom If you think players aren’t still played through red zones or not 100% fit, because” it’s in no manager interest to lose a player for an extended period of time” then you are very naive. Indeed wasn’t it Tuchal that said that he had to play Kante at Wolves when he had been warned by the medical team he was not fit enough to play even close to 30 minutes . The Partey example is as you say a classic example of players being tired . We don’t get told the data but we know what we witness and… Read more »

raptora

Maddison – 12 goals, 11 assists, 11 big chances created (6th in the EPL)
Odegaard – 7 goals, 4 assists, 6 big chances created (40th in the EPL)

Odegaard’s 6 big chances created is equaled by Bentancur, reached in half a season and is one more than Eriksen (5), in half a season as well.

https://www.premierleague.com/stats/top/players/big_chance_created

AFC Forever

Tom Of course players get overplayed that isn’t the point. Jesus this blog is hard work sometimes. I’ve demonstrated that other teams have players who are playing 50 games every season. These are top athletes. These players are managing midweek games without a problem. They are monitored to the ying yang. Thomas Partey has played 24 PL games this season. The same last season. Kieran Tierney has played 21 games this season and 27 last season. If we want to compete with the top teams, we need top quality players who are reliable. It’s okay playing the fantasy football game… Read more »

Foxy

Ramsdale’s form declined more or less at the same time as our back 4 suffered injuries and loss of form – a bit chicken and egg. Did Gabriel make Ramsdale nervous and lose form or the other way around?

Valentin

UEFA requires at least 72 hours between games to avoid overloading players.
Because it was an international game and Premiership game, Tomas Partey had less than the mandatory 72 hours. It was a predictable, preventable injury that many fans predicted.
Same with Tomi being requested to play 90 minutes without any easing.
Or Tierney who had played two full international games in the week before succombbing to another muscle injuries.

WengerEagle

Bati

Congrats on that long-awaited league title mate, I was pulling for Milan the whole season. Just their 2nd since we both won the league in 2004 is pretty stunning tbh given how great Carlo’s teams in the 2000s were in Europe.

I tried telling you about the boy Kulusevski 😉 He looked special at Parma, type of talent you rarely see. Was terribly mismanaged at Juve, that can happen to talented young players.

Same is happening with Sancho at Utd. Not a single player has flourished under either Utd or Juve if you look squad wide.

Foxy

biggest injury cause we had this season has to be the multiple international brakes with heavy travel and match loads on Partey, Tomi and Tierney. Plus has Arteta’s obsession with Training performance to win you place overloaded some players?

Foxy

Valentin you beat me to it and of course said it much better

WengerEagle

AFC Forever

Mate it is one thing to blame the end of season collapse on injuries to Partey and Tierney but look at their minutes last season, they actually played LESS mins last season. Tierney has been a crock since we signed him and had co concerns over his durabilty back to his Celtic days.

What does that tell you? Spending £135m last summer and failing to bring in a single senior CM or reliable LB cover with that spend was foolish.

Matt B

TR7: Eddie Howe not far off for me — he was mocked on here when he joined Newcastle, but he’s been very astute and is clearly a very talented coach. I have more respect for what he’s achieved at Newcastle than what Pep achieved this season as City

WengerEagle

Benfica fans were more than happy to see the back of Tavares, becoming clear to see why now.

He is basically an Aly Cissokho/Andre Santos love-child. Has no business playing in an ambitious PL club.

Marko

Kinda unfair the Madison Odegaard comparison when you factor in everyone offensively has struggled under Arteta. I’ve got no doubt under a better manager Odegaard would have better production.

Valentin

For those who still doubt that Conte did a great job since he joined Spurs.

https://www.planetfootball.com/quick-reads/antonio-conte-premier-league-table-since-took-over-as-tottenham-manager/

Still 3rd without a pre-season or selecting his players.

WengerEagle

And for thise saying that Tavares is 22 and he will grow out of it, I highly doubt it. Called the Lord of Chaos for good reason. The elite defensive teams do not have any erratic individuals liable to make a game-costing gaffe at any given moment. You cannot have a player like that as it unsettles the entire backline and breathes anxiety into the team in late game situations. No matter how good said player is going forward of which Tavares looks fairly ordinary if we are honest. We had one before in Gael Clichy and he never grew… Read more »

WengerEagle

Maddison is better than Odegaard imo yeah. Think that ESR goes onto be a better player than both though as soon as he gets a manager that doesn’t play him out of position and stifle his progress like Tets has.

I would start ESR at CAM. Where does that mean we accommodate Odegaard? Not sure. Think he can play CM next to Partey against teams we will dominate the ball against at home, as for the rest of the fixtures?

Naija+soccer

Ramsdale seems like he’s lost his focus. It doesn’t help that he’s always having a back and forth with rival fans behind his goal.

AFC Forever

WengerEagle “Mate it is one thing to blame the end of season collapse on injuries to Partey and Tierney but look at their minutes last season, they actually played LESS mins last season. Tierney has been a crock since we signed him and had co concerns over his durabilty back to his Celtic days.” Try reading the earlier thread and you wont miss the actual point. Too many of you on here jump in with both feet. You are agreeing with me…..!!!! My question, that enraged people, was about whether or not we should keep players who aren’t reliable fitness… Read more »

Marko

WE kinda get the Tavares stuff though to be honest would you trust the people who signed him in the first place and reportedly wanna bin him off within a season to replace him? I literally don’t trust this current set up of Arteta and Edu in the transfer market in the slightest. They’ll overspend and they’ll waste once more and we’ll barely improve

DivineSherlock

The Maddinson vs Odegaard debate is also very pointless , One is in his first full year in PL and the other is in his 4th season and quite possibly the prime of his career.

Naija+soccer

Sometimes i get the feeling that whether or not you do well in a season, depends entirely on how many of your key players you can keep fit. Liverpool 67 points last year, 92 points this year. Same coach, mostly same players.

Perhaps managers magic is overrated, the key is signing talented, fit and durable players.

Batistuta

Weagle

Thanks a lot mate, still drinking over here as anyone’s barely gotten any work done.

Oli Giroud and your boy Leao doing the business for us.

Special shout to Maignan too, was doubtful he’d fill Donnaruma’s boots but boy he’s been wonderful.

Funny thing about out=r good defensive record this year too is the fact that Romagnoli has been injured for quite a bit but Tomori has been a rock all season, would be bad if he doesn’t start for England on current form

AFC Forever

Valentin

“….those who still doubt that Conte did a great job since he joined Spurs.”

You are uploading a link praising Conte. Is this a Spurs blog?

I don’t know a single Gooner who would upload links about the trophy dodgers or their manager. So that is a weird thing to do.

hmmmm…………

Tom

“The Maddinson vs Odegaard debate is also very pointless , One is in his first full year in PL and the other is in his 4th season and quite possibly the prime of his career.“

It is pointless but mostly because one was rumored to cost twice the money we paid for Odegaard

WengerEagle

AFC Forever ”It is starting to become impossible to have a sensible fucking debate on this blog…!!!!!!!! All you lot want to do is measure dicks and find an echo chamber.” This directed at me? Relax yourself ffs. I didn’t see the previous post. You’re well able to dish it out but have little patience for getting any back it seems, not a great trait. ”My ORIGINAL question was:……….do you keep them or sell them.” Well I don’t see the point in selling Partey as he is a top class player in his position and it is hard to find… Read more »

Naija+soccer

It’s not the manager but the players you have. And how long you can keep them fit for.

For example, Wenger would have won a couple more titles (07/08,10/11), if he didn’t lose key players for lengthy periods in those seasons.

Marko

Sandro Tonali for pittance as well was a great deal

WengerEagle

Marko

True but I just have no time for erratic defenders, you cannot coach that out of them.

Give me an unspectacular Steady Eddie like Monreal over that all day.

AFC Forever

Naija+soccer “Perhaps managers magic is overrated, the key is signing talented, fit and durable players.” Durable players is key. How would Liverpool do if Van Dijk and Trent could only play 24 PL games? Salah? Or Spuds if Kane and Son kept breaking down. It is a valid debate. How would that impact on the results of those managers? All those players are hitting 45-50 games. This idea that you can have two players of equal quality for every position is pie in the sky. That means you need your best players to be able to do sensible numbers. My… Read more »

DivineSherlock

We should sell Pepe and get Maxwel Cornet for cheap .

WengerEagle

Bati

Haha attaboy. I envy you, was a kid when Arsenal last won the league so have never had that experience of sheer boozy football delirium even though winning the FA Cup was brilliant.

Tomori and Miagnan for £40m was a spectacular haul. They have both been the game-changers for you and Leao has hard-carried Milan in the past couple of months with goals and assists. Giroud too has scored some crucial goals, fair play to him always liked the guy even if had my frustrations with him as a ST.

WengerEagle

Leao at LF would be the dream but that ship has long sailed sadly. He will go to an elite team when the time is right.

Ishola70

Tavares had his little stint where he was being quite positive and adventurous in his play but even then you could see how erratic he was. As for him being a dodgy defender he’s not even that good going forward either. He doesn’t seem to have proper balance when he is running on the ball. He’s like a rolling barrel on the ball. Some of these younger players brought in and they are not 18 years old btw (the way some talk it’s as if we have complete babies in the side in their teens) could be seen to have… Read more »

Valentin

Batistuta, I never rated Donnarumma. Excellent shot stopper but poor with his feet and erratic under pressure. Milanista overrated his overall ability. Mike Maignan may not have his shot stopping ability, but he is a much better overall keeper. You don’t get the brain farts and the stupid goals conceded as you do with Donnarumma as experienced by PSG in the Champion’s League. To me Mike Maignan is one of the reason Milan got the title. Calm influence who does his job (Keeping the ball out of his net) without creating a fuss. I see Donnarumma as just an Italian… Read more »

Dissenter

Gazidis has been great for Milan
He surrounded himself with Milan and has not been afraid to let a manager that was unsuitable leave

When Donaruma put a gun to Milan’s head, they let him leave and signed an even better goalie in Maignan

Samir

Nketiah given the no.14 shirt according to the Arsenal app.

Our new number 1 striker? I hope you’re all excited.

Dissenter

i wonder who needed Mbappe more
a] Real Madrid
b] La Liga

It seems La Liga was ready to use him for most of their international marketing
They are squealing louder than little piggies

Marko

Nketiah given the no.14 shirt according to the Arsenal app.

What a club

London gunner

Rafaël leao is next big player utterly elite baller one of the best dribblers in world football. Great passing and pace and can finish. As well as clutch as fuck giving ac Milan a Gatwick of assists in their must win final game of the season

London gunner

Dissenter

Gazidis is quite a savvy guy he realised arsenal was an utter shit show with the kroenkes and jumped ship to AC Milan a project he knew would pay dividends.

Winning the first serie a title in 11 years is elite level management.

WengerEagle

London Gunner

Want to know something hilarious?

Leao was signed by Milan the same summer that we bought Pepe.

Bought were at Lille at the time. We paid €79 million for Pepe while they paid €23m for Leao.

WengerEagle

So in other words, we paid premium Eden Hazard money to sign Gervinho this time.

Wengaball

The really worrying aspect is that the last really elite players who came to Arsenal were Sanchez, Özil and Aubameyang. The players who have the highest ceiling in the current squad are Saka, ESR and Saliba, and Arteta has nothing to do with any of the three. Two came from the academy and the third was bought before Arteta, then ostracised by him. Barring Saliba, of the long players bought since Wenger left, not a SINGLE ONE can be said to be elite – Leno, Pepe, Partey, Tierney, Guendozi, Torreira, Gabriel, White, Ramsdale, Lokonga, Tavares. Which of these can you… Read more »

Wengaball

Long ‘list of’

Wengaball

I missed out Tomiyasu and Odegard.

Neither a world beater in my book though they have potential.

Dissenter

“West Ham star Kurt Zouma is CHARGED with three offences under the Animal Welfare Act after ‘kicking and slapping his pet cat’ as his brother is charged with two offences for filming him”

That outs an end to that saga
People need to understand that the justice system doesn’t run at the speed of a counter attack

Samir

I meant Premier League App. Not Arsenal app**

Wengaball

Wenger used to buy very few players but they used to be in two brackets – elite or ‘bodies’, and he paid peanut for the bodies. The only time I saw him bring in truly mediocre talent was when were truly skint – Chamakh was one such but even he did the job for half a season. Thankfully, Van Persie then took over. The other time was the trolley dash – Mertesacker, Santos, Park Chu Young and Arteta himself. Plus Benayoun on loan. None of these was truly elite but Wenger had to buy because his hand was forced after… Read more »

Wengaball

Giroud was somewhere between mediocre and elite, but he came on the back of the title winning season for Montpellier.

WengerEagle

Giroud was brilliant for us factoring in that he only cost £12m.

It wasn’t his fault that he was brought to replace Van Persie who was the best ST in the world at the time. Impossible task to fill those shoes, we needed Suarez or Higuain to have had a real shot at it.

London gunner

WG

Ooff that hurts… elite talent scouting from us

Valentin

WENGABALL,

I fully expect Guendouzi to be a world class midfielder when he hit 27 years old. He is already in the French National squad, likely to go to the World Cup.

Properly coached, Lokonga has the attributes to be world class. However he will not be if he is asked to play in that straight jacket of ponderous lateral game plan.

The rest, I just don’t see a very high ceiling. Most don’t seem to have the physique, the technique or football intelligence to progress much further.

Wengaball

He did well WE. I was just listing the non-elite talent brought in by Wenger. I would say he was better than average but obviously not in the top bracket, which we used to have a steady trickle off right since Viera. Montreal and Giroud were similar in that sense.

Petit, Pires, Henry, Ljungberg, Kanu, Campbell, Fabregas, Diaby, Nasri, Arshavin, VanPersie, Rosicky, Cazorla, Özil, Sanchez, Aubameyang.

That guy could pull :).

Mr Serge

We no longer recognise talent we just watch it hence these top prospects no longer come to us

We don’t even know who they are anymore
This is our board now

Killroy-TM

The money difference between CL & EL is massive Frankfurt made £13.2 mill while Pool already made £98 mill. Being in the group stages of CL is more worth than winning the EL. Why does this matter to AFC? Players contracts have bonus clauses in them for CL qualifications, therefore more money for the players playing CL games. Can you see why we will not attract top talent without CL? With the Deal making dunce and Pound Shop Pep’s ability for spotting talent being so abysmal we are in a Catch 22 situation. Only way out get rid of the… Read more »

Wengaball

Our board consists of two Kroenkes and Lord Peckham, the carpet seller.

How connected to football do you think that board is? It is a tragedy.

WengerEagle

Wengaball Yeah agreed there was a steady decline in his ability to spot a player throughout the years. In the 2010s the only real gems he pulled off I would say were Koscielny in 2010, Cazorla in 2012, Monreal in 2013 and given his production for us Sanchez even if for £35m although he was an established star player already. By the late years he had completely lost it and that is reflected in our transfer business. £65m combined on Xhaka and Mustafi, £110m combined on Laca and Auba in the same season, Lucas Perez, etc. Even the young gems… Read more »

bacaryisgod

Here’s one ray of light. With Spurs in the Champions League, it almost guarantees yet another season they’ll have without a trophy. No chance in the two main competitions they’ll be in and their squad will be too stretched to compete in the domestic cups.

WengerEagle

Yeah we need more football people behind the scenes for sure. Would love to see Thierry come back to be involved in some capacity as well as Dennis. I got to be honest, I have been extremely impressed with Vieira’s work at Palace. Yes they on paper have only improved their league position by 4 points but they have drawn 15 games and many of them were matches they outplayed the opposition. They have only lost 12 of 38 PL games which is actually less than us. They have played very adventurous football and improved their GD from -25 last… Read more »

Wengaball

WE – I read the latter years differently. When Arsenal were doing well (relatively), Wenger was left more or less left alone to do his stuff. Especially because he was managing it on a shoestring. In the latter years, with money becoming a bit more available, and expectations accordingly going up, my reading is he was pushed into buying against his instincts. Wenger was never authoritative even in his prime, so I assume he would probably work to establish consensus. Gazidis was playing the Dein role in the latter years (well, trying to), and he should be held equally accountable.… Read more »

Wengaball

rightly – sorry I do mistype a lot :).

Wengaball

Agree with you on Vieira. With a bit of luck, he could have finished top half this year.

Brighton have had a similar year. A few more wins from their 15 draws and the could have been in Europe.

Dissenter

“When Arsenal were doing well (relatively), Wenger was left more or less left alone to do his stuff. Especially because he was managing it on a shoestring.”

True… and Wenger did it well enough [after Dein] for several years because he was a football man with experience across several continents

Problem is that the club hired a rookie and are giving him Wenger-type powers
Behind the scene are two nonentities [in Vinai and Edu] that he’s bullying rather easily because he just goes directly to the owner’s son.

WengerEagle

Wengaball

I somewhat agree and Lacazette/Aubameyang especially never struck me as Wenger signings, especially the latter.

Xhaka and Mustafi did, were just bad calls. And his eye for a player deserted him, even those guys I named were all from 2010-13. From 2014-2017 he signed absolutely no player you would call a hidden gem.

A 15 year old FIFA enthusiast could have told you to bring in Sanchez and Ozil.

Wengaball

The other problem with Wenger was he was ambitious beyond his means with talent.

So he would go after Mbapé, and when he could get those types, he just wouldn’t sign anyone. A bit more pragmatism would have been his own best friend.

Wengaball

couldn’t get those types.

Naija+soccer

AFC, Yes I agree. If Partey and Tomiyasu had been available longer, we make top 4 this season. Having durable and talented players available, is the most important factor for teams to do well throughout a season. Thats why City is the best team in the league. They have those players and another eleven on the bench. Let’s hope our recruiting buy durable players going forward. We can’t afford our key players going missing for half the season. There’s no magic a manager can wield if he has to field inferior players(key players absent because of injuries)against superior ones. Its… Read more »

Naija+soccer

Nketiah getting the number 14 shirt? Say it ain’t so. The guy was out the club just a few weeks back and suddenly he’s the new Henry ? Let the guy play for a couple of years and prove he’s even good enough for Arsenal. Then MAYBE give him the number 14 shirt.

I understand this might be some sort of negotiation tactic so Nketiah can sign. Still, it smells very small-time for a huge club like Arsenal.

Dissenter

Naija
I honestly don’t understand why you and so many others get hung up on squad numbers
So what if Henry wore #14?
If number 14 was so sacrosanct why not just retire it and han it up on the stadium?
If offering #14 to Nketiah helped to convince him to stay and avoid losing a potentially top talent to other clubs, then so be it.

Naija+soccer

Dissenter

I wholeheartedly disagree lol. Like you mentioned, the number 14 shirt should be retired. The fact that its being passed between Walcott and Nketiah is disrespectful to the honour of the club’s best player. If they won’t retire the number, then players have to earn it. It ll put fire in players to earn those shirt numbers.

They build the guy a statue but treat his number like he’s Sanogo.

Killroy-TM

Thought on the Serie A title race were AC Milan won the title after 11 years. Milan decided they were going to grow through youth, scouting, data and, above all, the collective rather than the individual superstar. And they were true to their word. They were not held to ransom by guys like Donnarumma, Calhanoglou, Kessie and Romagnoli. This was the youngest squad in Serie A, and players like Saelemakers, Kalulu and Krunic came from nowhere. The analytics side worked hand in hand with the scouting, delivering guys like Maignan, Leao, Tomori and Hernandez. Why could AC Milan accomplish what… Read more »

Thorough

Ironically I love Ramsdale and think he’s a lot better than Leno. We may never get to know if he’s top notch until the defence and midfield get sorted though. However, there is no reason in the world why we pay 30 million for Ramsdale. You’ll have to kill Wenger to make him pay top dollars for a keeper that’s been relegated twice when Onana was available for less than 10 million. Paying 30 million for Ramsdale is a good example of the novices we have running us. Ditto, 50 million for White. In an ideal world you’ll bid 10… Read more »

LoveSausage

Tielemans rumours are heating up. He hasn’t been my favourite target but some of his stats look pretty decent. If we can get him for 25M it could be good business.

Mr Serge

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DissenterMay 23, 2022 20:26:44
Naija
I honestly don’t understand why you and so many others get hung up on squad numbers
So what if Henry wore #14?
If number 14 was so sacrosanct why not just retire it and han it up on the stadium?
If offering #14 to Nketiah helped to convince him to stay and avoid losing a potentially top talent to other clubs, then so be it.

The stars have aligned I am in total agreement with you Diss who gives a shit. Retire it like Milan did baressi and maldini shirt

Mr Serge

Tielmans is quality he improves us
Let’s get it done. Early

Mr Serge

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Ebor Gooner

I want Arteta to be “the man” but I’m not seeing much to encourage me. Let’s be honest, 4th was ours to lose -and we lost it. More than that, the way we lost it was pitiful. Palace, Southampton, Spurs, and especially the Newcastle performance were simply unacceptable. All that was needed was one, half decent, performance. Arteta couldn’t deliver that. Can you name me one player he has improved? Saka, ESR, Martinelli, Gabriel, Nketiah. Be honest. He only picks them when there is, literally, no alternative. To my mind our youngsters have regressed under Arteta. And Abua has shown… Read more »

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