REF DESTROYS GAME – BUT ARSENAL STILL IN DRIVING SEAT FOR TOP 4

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There’s no other way to analyse the occasion.

Arsenal were the better side for the opening stages of the game.

The referee then gave one of the most ridiculous penalties of the season, refused to check to see if he’s made a mistake.

The referee then goes super bold and sends off Rob Holding after 26 minutes in a ‘I WANT TO DO THIS’ decision of pettiness.

I don’t really have time for the crowd that wants to pretend we weren’t totally fucked over by an overzealous attention-seeking referee.

I don’t have time for those that say we don’t have the dark arts nailed down. Does McTominay do his dirties in a subtle way? Does Harry Kane go in for legbreakers with disguise?  Everyone in the world knows what Mane does every single game, the refs know, but he never pays a price… is it cuteness that gets him off, or his big fat reputation? Why do Arsenal get a red every 75 fouls compared to Burnley’s 973 fouls… is it because Burnley players are just really clever or that refs have a different standard of reffing when it comes to Arsenal who have taken 6% of the red cards in Premier League history. It’s that Arsenal is held to a different standard that doesn’t even itself out over a season.

Arsenal, with a depleted team, wouldn’t have lost that game with 11 players on the pitch yesterday and that is my hot take.

The recriminations in the media are really amusing.

No one wants this young team to make the Top 4 this year.

Gary Neville wants to see Arteta fail because the Spaniard is everything he thought he’d be but wasn’t. The youngest coach in the league shines a light on his biggest career failure.

Arteta did things properly, studied 5 languages, took his coaching badges, studied all over the world, then made his first job a learning experience under the greatest coach on the planet.

Gary pulled in a favor from a clueless billionaire, took a job with a Spanish team, was too ignorant and arrogant to think he needed to master the local dialect, and tanked after 7 games.

There is still a class of pundits and journalists that believe being a snappy pundit or legendary player counts as the leading qualification for being an elite coach in 2022. They are wrong. You need to do the hard work as well as having a knack for communication, a deep understanding of tactics and systems, as well as being able to quickly master the art of media in a CEO-like way.

These naysayers want Conte to win the top 4 race because it reaffirms that failure wasn’t so bad, it keeps the global order in tact, it means their boring views that Conte is always the answer were right.

The ‘Arsenal were green’ story is factually correct. We have a young squad that lacks experience. But we didn’t get fucked by the ref because we didn’t play the game right, we were fucked because the ref didn’t like us and he wanted to be the man. Our inexperience still has us in 5th with two games to go. Our inexperience just saw us beat Chelsea, United, and West Ham. Yesterday wasn’t inexperience, it was a corruption of the beautiful game by officials that are militantly bad at their jobs.

… but for me, if you are going to go to the bowl and lose, that’s the way to do it. Getting cheated. Having the media call you dim. No one giving you the defence you deserve bar your manager.

Now the job is clear, two really fucking boring wins.

No drama.

Make that Spurs result look really pointless.

Newcastle is 14th in the league, they’ve had a pop of form this year, but conceded 10 against Spurs/City. They are safe, they are not that good, we have too much quality for them even if we only have 1 fit defender.

Everton are 16th, they are safe, that squad doesn’t give a shit. We need to avenge what happened earlier in the season.

If we play like we did yesterday, we will win both of those games, and we need to.

Spurs play Burnley on Sunday, that’s no guarantee, especially considering how poor Anotonio Conte is when he has more than 1 game in a week. I’d have more faith on a spirited Burnley performance than I would Everton or Newcastle. Spurs were beaten by them after they hammered City away. So let’s see what happens there.

The chips feel like they are down, but look at the table, we have more points, we are great against middling teams, and the only reason we lost yesterday was because Spurs once again lucked out with a penalty which was their first shot, then a gift of a red card.

I hate Spurs. The refs can do one. We are The Arsenal. Let’s move.

313 Responses to “REF DESTROYS GAME – BUT ARSENAL STILL IN DRIVING SEAT FOR TOP 4”

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  1. Nigel Tufnel

    Pedro that angle from Camden.. wow. It’s the closest, clearest angle..

    The good guys were here yesterday, the mainstream… a lot of the haters today.

    Like .. it’s so cool to be anti Arsenal.. I’ll go criticize Arsenal on legrove after they obviously got screwed.

    Once spurs got that supersoft penalty lead, they went right into their preferred mode. So not much need to even discuss the red. We all felt trouble once we were down.

    For the real fans. We still have a chance .. we didn’t expect that after the early season. Luck to all of us.

  2. Dissenter

    Pedro
    This is the most petty of all the 2500 posts of yours that I’ve read on legrove

    Get a hold of yourself man
    We shellacked Spurs at the Emirates and they promptly returned the favor

    What else is there so say but to move on. We still have a fate in our hands so what’s the need for this post of a 1000 barbs at everyone outside of Arsenal?

  3. Dissenter

    We have a tendency to not show up for some games; way at Everton, home to Brighton, away at Southampton etc.
    Yesterday was one of such games.
    We lost, deal with it and move in. We still have our fate in our hands.

    I mean you have posters like englandsbest already luxuriating in elite mediocrity suggesting that Europe league is better for us than the CL
    Why would anyone write that type of nonsense?

  4. Dissenter

    We are lucky that spurs were economical with their efforts after they went 3-0
    They didn’t respect the spirit of the derby
    Had they gone for the jugular in the second half, Pedro will be spilling blood today.

  5. Dissenter

    I don’t understand why English players play like Trappist monks
    In the course of footballing education in English club academies, Don;t they teach them how to get the attention of the referees?

    If someone elbows you on the ground, you stay down and hold your head like a bazooka was fired at it.
    Why didn’t Holding make sure that the referee and VAR reviewed the Son elbow on him?

  6. Nigel Tufnel

    Dissenter I choose to be positive and of course Champions league would accelerate our growth more easily, Europa will just slow it down but not stop it.

    I don’t make too many excuses, like I said, I didn’t like Artetas set up.

    But a big game penalty that we would never receive, given to a team that can only play on the counter….

    I think it’s very reasonable to feel cheated.

  7. Rich

    Can we go to Newcastle and win with this team:

    …………….Ramsdale
    …..…..White Tomiyasu
    Cedric……………….Tavares
    ……..Elneny Xhaka
    Saka Odegaard Martinelli
    …………..Nketiah

    Could be an argument for starting Martinelli or Pepe on the right, and Smith Rowe on the left, Saka doesn’t look fit.

    Got to pray that White + Tomiyasu are both fit, and our left side doesn’t get exploited defensively

  8. Dissenter

    Nigel
    Spurs knew exactly what they were playing for. Their game plan was easy- beat Arsenal
    Their squad has more big game experience than ours and it showed.

    Their manager has more big game experience than ours and it showed.

    They beat us, fair and square. It’s that simple
    Why did Arteta assign Holding to handle Son. Holding is too simple, too naive, too slow and too uncultured to mark a player like Son
    When Holding was struggling, Arteta was too slow or unwilling to make the on-field adjustments necessary to help him.

    They won the battle of yesterday but we can easily deliver the winning blows to win the war.

  9. Ernest Reed

    “ The good guys were here yesterday, the mainstream… a lot of the haters today.”

    LeGrove’s own resident Chief of Thought Police, Nigel StuffItAll!

    Get a life already you childish fool, you have no right to dictate terms of engagement to anyone. Stop it already, you are fostering nothing more than ill will with your incessant attempts at controlling agendas.

  10. Ernest Reed

    “ I think it’s very reasonable to feel cheated.”

    Funny, I don’t happen to share that view, Arsenal played undisciplined football and it once again cost them. How many more like that might it take for you to remove those odd coloured glasss?

  11. Rich

    Brazilian lad 19, we’re reportedly close to signing for around £3 million, due to a contractual issue, hopefully Edu has the inside track:

  12. Pedro

    Ernest, of course you won’t apologise, you are going to dig in deep and hope we fuck up so you’ll be vindicated.

    As dull as not feeling cheated after yesterday.

  13. Pedro

    Rich, that left peg is something else.

    Amazing that scouts can watch Brazilian football and work out who can make it here.

  14. Pedro

    Camden, I’m not one for insulting people, but you can’t be all there if you are looking at Arsenal in 4th with 2 games to go thinking we’re failing… football ain’t for you my friend. That is very dim commentary.

  15. David Smith

    “ we’re shite and Arteta is out of his depth” where do you even start with that one.
    He’s already won more trophies than what for some seems the beloved Spurs team has won in over a decade

  16. Rich

    Pedro

    Edu is apparently trying to setup a relationship with São Paulo

    A few reports reckon we’ll loan him straight back out in Europe to gain experience

  17. Dissenter

    This Brazilian lad looks like he’s ready for the premier league already
    I hope they don’t dump him in the U-23s

    The shooting from his left leg is heavenly

  18. Rich

    Diss

    Going straight out on loan apparently.

    Pedro

    I hate to be negative, but I’m certainly not confident, we’re missing a lot of players, there’ll be a carnival atmosphere, and Newcastle have improved under Howe.

    The players have proved resilient so far bouncing back from setbacks, but we certainly look like we’ll stumble over the line, or stumble at the line, rather than power over it.

    Would love us to do it, but I think we’ll have to win both games now with a depleted team, which is a big ask 🤞

  19. SAGG

    The undisciplined nareatove is BS.

    A very soft tackle and Holding dumb foul now is undisciplined FFS.

    I can bet that on Monday we will have a same penalty situation and a similar red card but IN OUR FAVOUR and both decisions will go to Newcastle to f***k us again And Im sure that you will go 180 degrees saying the decisions are correct and how we are crazy to expect different.

  20. Pedro

    Rich, yeah, tend to agree on the Newcastle game. But I think that’s the tough one. Beat Newcastle, and we’re top 4.

  21. Aaron

    As usual Galaxy brain chose wrong again!

    Tomiyasu on the left, struggled over there after the first 15, and could not play the ball off his left foot very well, no chemistry on that side with those players.

    Cedric on the right with Holding, no pace to match Son, who is on the form of his life!

    So, back to the norm, not enough goals scored, conceding more than last year, injuries piling up, no squad depth. AMN sure could have been used over there, just saying.

    However, win the last 2 games and AFC will get 4th, no matter what!
    Draw and win, get 5th.
    Two losses would be considered cratering the run in.

    AFC better spend some $ in the summer on some robust, physical players either way as the demands will be greater next year for sure.

  22. China1

    Agree with this post Pedro

    I couldn’t see this one live but watching the highlights I turned it off after the red card because I’d seen enough to know the ref had already decided what outcome he wanted from the game and it didn’t involve arsenal taking anything. Pointless after that

    Anyway all eyes on burnley next. Spurs haven’t beaten them yet. If they can pull a win out of their asses then the balance of nature is restored. Good luck burnley

  23. China1

    For me those decisions were reminiscent of seeing the absolute glee on the face of the red as he sent off rvp for ‘kicking the ball away’ against Barca

    I’m well known to be a critic here. I call out the team and manager on anything I think we do wrong and pull no punches. But a stitch up is a stitch up and when the ref wants you to lose against any team the odds of getting a result always suffer greatly

  24. Ernest Reed

    “ As dull as not feeling cheated after yesterday.‘

    Really? You honestly and sincerely felt cheated yesterday, Pedro?

    Remove emotion from the equation and apply objectivity to the result. They pooched the opportunity with stupid undisciplined football, yet again. How you come to your conclusion is with you. Thought we saw the same match, but perhaps not.

    And no, a thousand times no, I have absolutely nothing to apologize to you for. How you come to that conclusion and based exactly on what? Yeah, I think not because whatever is running through your thoughts…I think not.

  25. Pedro

    Ernest,

    1) it’s football and it’s emotional
    2) the only people that are championing the ‘it was fine officiating’ are those that have spent all season begging for this project to fail

    Take your emotion out of it and look at those decisions like a normal fan would. Or, even my Spurs fan mates who called me to say they lucked out with soft decisions,

    You owe an apology.

  26. Ernest Reed

    I did Pedro and I honestly, by the letter of the law, cannot say those calls were incorrect.

    “ those that have spent all season begging for this project to fail‘

    I can say categorically that I gave not begged for this so-called project to fail. Others have and that is true, but not I. I have consistently called out two key things that have proven detrimental to the club this season:

    1. Arteta’s inexplicable lack of proper team rotation has pushed this squad to an absolute breaking point and today we clearly see the results of that

    2. The teams lack of self-discipline has proven very detrimental to results and the managers inability to deal with this, other than to constantly complain about how hard done by the team is (on this I can’t fault him because he’s protecting his team), really does them no good in the long run

    Those have been my consistent observations throughout the season. My personal belief is that Arteta is not the manager I would have chosen for Arsenal.

    As for your now demanded apology, again I see absolutely no valid or sensible reason to offer one. My opinion is just that, mine. I have respectfully disagreed with you time and time again and hey…that’s life.

  27. Aaron

    Pedro,

    As usual meaning a game of significance.

    You know what I mean.

    Europa
    1 point off 4th
    Derbies
    etc….

  28. China1

    Come on burnley. Never wanted a nothing team from the middle of bum fuck nowhere up north to get a result like this before

    Fuck Spurs. Fuck them

  29. China1

    The penalty was given because an arsenal player shared a place in the same space time continuum with Son. I’m not sure there was any more thought out into it from the ref than that

  30. HerbsArmy

    Most Arsenal fans surely want the project to succeed, Pedro, because it’s the only thing on offer, but it needs to be an exciting project, one full of intent and meaningful ambitious targets.
    Currently the project is slow, very stop – start, and considerably far away from being a major force.
    Arteta isn’t the most ambitious or exciting appointment, and the improvement hasn’t been remarkable.
    Last season Arsenal finished with a goal difference of +16, GF 55 – GA 39, with two games left the goal difference is +11, GF 56 – GA 45.
    Based on those stats alone, the project isn’t providing the promise or accelerated excitement required to make fans believe this isn’t yet another over celebrated false dawn.
    It also suggests a drop in standards of the PL overall, considering Arsenal were 8th with a better GD.

  31. Samesong

    I actually despise Newcastle team. More now than ever. All of a sudden they want to do spurs a favour. Don’t care about pretty football for this game just grit and determination will see us to through. This is our cup finalm

  32. Tony

    ‘Never wanted a nothing team from the middle of bum fuck nowhere up north”

    The town maybe be typified by the Hovis advert but the surrounding countryside is up there with some of the best in the country particularly Clitheroe & Whalley.

    I echo your Burnley doing us a favour, shame it’s come down to hoping others fail instead of it being locked up tight by now with 2 games to go we must win.

    Hardly generational who quite likely could end up with a worse points tally at 5th than he who must not be named. I expect a new level of embarrassed trolling form Pedro if it happened.

    Funny thing is the Pedro stretched goal is actually lower than was expected from the Hammer House of Horror manager who missed 4th by 1 point and a missed penalty at Spuds.

    The bar just keeps getting lower and lower to keep an agenda.

  33. HerbsArmy

    Arteta has benefited far more from a lot of PL performing a lot worse this season than anything he has implemented.
    Villa – much worse than last season
    Burnley – worse than last season
    Everton – much worse than last season
    Leeds – much worse than last season
    Leicester – much worse than last season
    United – much worse than last season
    West Ham – worse than last season

    Only Brighton, Palace, Spurs and Wolves have marginally improved.
    Obviously Liverpool significantly improved on last season, getting all their injured players back.
    As for Arsenal, the goal numbers say the needle has not moved, and our elevated position is down to the failings of those around us, particularly United (2nd last year) and Leicester (5th), as well as West Ham with their Europa Lge run to the SF.
    Arsenal spent £150m last summer and have a worse GD than last season.
    By any stretch, that is not progress, it is merely maintaining a very below par status quo, and because Arsenal fans never demand better, more of the same will be served up for the foreseeable future.

  34. The Real Vieira Lynn

    Kudos to you Mr. Ermest Reed for your unwavering convictions…like you’ve suggested, if stating one’s logically-deduced opinions is a crime, I’ll gladly do the time

    HerbsArmy…agree whole heartedly with your “eye test” assessment, which is clearly backed up by the indisputable facts you’ve provided….what’s the point of our little experiment if the ultimate objective appears to be some sort of watered down version of Pep’s City tactical model

  35. HerbsArmy

    TRVL

    Maybe City are looking at Arsenal as one of their future feeder clubs, because we certainly ain’t trying for major trophies any time soon.

  36. Useroz

    First in ~20 years I didn’t finish watching an Arsenal game live, ffs. Off with ~8 mins to go… utterly disgusted with the way we lost the game and felt worse than those 8 – 2 aggr to B Munich!

  37. Graham62

    There was a moment in the game when the camera panned to Arteta. He was shaking his head, with that distant look in his eyes.
    I’ve seen that a lot over the past few seasons. I find that worrying.

  38. HerbsArmy

    What’s more worrying, Graham, is all the pro-Arteta mob going to embarrassing lengths, including the nasty childish name calling, to somehow try and spin the fact that despite having a 5 goal inferior GD from last years 8th place, we have massively improved.
    Where exactly is that improvement?

  39. Graham62

    I know at some point I will get banned again for highlighting things that are obvious and maybe, just maybe, I may even get pissed of with Pedro. Not a good idea.
    The thing is in this day and age you can’t be over critical of things without being deemed anti-Arsenal or, on a personal level, thuggish or even a bully.
    I have never been enamoured with Arteta and as for the process/project, after two and a half years at the helm my, feelings on this are as confused as ever.
    I look at our players and I still see that strange look in the eyes. What exactly are we trying to do here? It’s as if they genuinely don’t believe in what they are doing. You’re doing things because your boss tells you to do it but, deep down, you really are struggling to adapt.
    Our football, for the most part, is slow and ponderous…….still. Surely after all this time, especially when you look at other teams and the way they play, we should be doing far better.
    I’m not talking about MC, Liverpool, Chelski here. I look at teams like Brighton, CP, Wolves etc, who play are far better brand of football.
    We have some exceptionally gifted players but have they really developed under Arteta? I don’t think they have.
    Irrespective of Arteta signing a new agreement, it is still very worrying.

  40. DUIFG

    Agenda fc are struggling. I do y think we will make it and it’s artetas fault.

    He doesn’t rotate at all, that team was very predictable, conte can plan for it. Where is the curve ball? He literally just smashed the same 11 guys week after week. Give me esr or Pepe some veriety.

    I still come back to the point even when we won games we are never convincing , we are fine margins merchants. I really hope I’m wrong but I don’t think arteta is it

  41. DUIFG

    55 goals, Jesus that’s low and has been since we arrived .

    We will be into the 4th year of the project with only el to show for it . For artetas sake he can’t lose these next 2.

    The trajectory doesn’t hold if he fluffs it

  42. Brian Muff

    “ look at teams like Brighton, CP, Wolves etc, who play are far better brand of football”

    Are you mad? So if Arsenal we’re currently sitting down in 10th playing the same football as Brighton you’d be happier? Really? Have you thought that through?

    We’re currently challenging for 4th. I’m betting Brighton would swap in a heartbeat.

    Yes there’s work to be done, but that’s life. There’s always work to be done.

  43. DUIFG

    Brighton only now look like the side they are, goals have clicked. Honestly their kid is a level better than ours. Pnp eve et where.

    Up top trossard is a good player and dat guy when he is on it is a threat. Potter is a top manager whose done it. Literally from the bottom.

    I’m afraid we have the wrong young guy

  44. Pierre

    Was Holding marking Son part of rhe Arteta strategy going in to the game or was conte smarter rhan Arteta and asked Son to play narrower , meaning Holding had to engage Son.

    I would find it difficult to believe that Arteta put Holding on Son , mainly because Son is the type of player that makes life difficult for Holding, hence why i think Conte was very clever and Arteta was too slow to recognise that their was a problem.

    Holding was getting pulled into areas that a central defender playing in a back 4 should avoid as he knew that if Son skinned him there would be a massive hole in the back 4, hence why Holding felt he had to stop him at all cost.

    Prior to the game i thought putting Tomiyasu on Son was the best option as he is a good man marker , and playing with wing backs with Tomiyasu as a centre back if white was unfit which would allow him to follow Son in the knowledge that we had 2 centre backs covering.

    Arteta was naive and Conte was very clever in the way he isolated Holding , who clearly looked uncomfortable playing in areas he is unaccustomed to.

  45. DUIFG

    It’s surely fairly basic to put your best demfemder on their best player , son. Why you would have a shutdown guy on big fat dejan is beyond me .

  46. Pierre

    DUIFG
    “Up top trossard is a good player ”

    I’ve mentioned Trossard before , reminds me of Eden Hazard and is now showing his true potential.

    I think that next season he will be up there in goals and assists as his confidence grows.

    He is another player who i would prefer to Odegaard as Trossard could become one of the league’s best creative players, especially if Brighton aquire a decent striker.

  47. Terraloon

    Graham.

    Very interesting post.

    For some while I have wondered why any with an opinion about their team can’t voice any negativity without being called a non supporter or some other insult.

    For me It sort of reflects society in general where you are pilloried if you dare to not conform with “ their “ view it is always your take on matters that is wrong.

    When I first started to go to live football I stood on the terraces with my grandfather, a veteran of Woolwich Arsenal , his peers were perhaps some of the most vocal critics of the team but no one questioned where their loyalties lay.

    But here we are unfortunately many take the view in football, no in life, that they are always the ones who are right yet others who dare to disagree get accused of all sorts of things but the reality is we don’t all see things through the same eyes.

    Historically it was said football” was all about opinions “ but alas that’s a thing of the past add to that far too many just can’t accept what everyone who has attended a football match will tell you that for the majority of incidents during a game the home supporters take on say a tackle will be “great tackle” from one group from the other it will be “ foul ref”

    Football is tribal.I always believed that to be between clubs but now their are factions within each tribe where those that dare criticise are always the ones that are wrong . It’s the same at every club I guess just as some supporters who just will never accept that they may be wrong they look elsewhere when what they think doesn’t play out .

    Thats not just at Arsenal it happens supporters of every other club genuinely believe there is a PGMOL or press hidden agenda because those very same supporters just can’t accept for one minute there is another perspective their view of an incident is fact so the only reason it hasn’t played out based on their take means corruption or agenda because that’s the only explanation.

    Remember the Fonze from Happy Days ? He was never wrong and couldn’t even utter those words

    I was a qualified ref albeit at non league level so in the day knew the laws inside out but nowadays those laws get amended every year and the vast vast majority of supporters ( and I include myself in that ) aren’t anywhere near experts of today’s version the refs are . That comment also applies to ex footballers and pundits who probably never knew the laws anyway but genuinely believe that things that the could get away with in the day still apply.

    As Jimmy Greaves used to say it’s a strange old game

  48. Graham62

    Brian Muff

    You’re missing my point.

    We are Arsenal, with a massive infrastructure and extensive resources at our disposal and yet why does Arteta get us to play in such a negative manner?

    My point is based on what Arteta can do given such resources. Do you feel he has the capabilities to maximise our potential? Even if we get top 4, I don’t feel confident in his abilities to move us forward in a progressive manner.

    I personally don’t

  49. Pierre

    Will just loint out that it is no coincidence that our creativity and goals scored have plummeted since Ozil was frozen out of the squad..

    I did warn those who celebrated Arteta’s disrespectful treatment towards ozil that we may live to regret it and we still haven’t replaced him , although if Arteta had the brains to play smith rowe in his favourite position I’m sure things would be different.

  50. Terraloon

    Pierre

    Save the second yellow the first three fouls by Holding we’re wide and pretty close to the half way line.
    Holding had either been instructed to engage Son in such a way or simply was just too aggressive

  51. EdTheREd

    I’ve been noticing this for a while, and I’m afraid it’s becoming undeniable fact: you simply cannot have a reasonable conversation with members of Arteta Cult, for I’m struggling to think of other term that would explain such obsession with a guy who’s struggling to get us into Top4 in his third season on the job.

    They simply do not care about facts, they’re only interested in creating narratives that would suit their agenda. There are no 60 000 fans crazy about Arteta at Emirates, everyone who’s been to the games this season will tell you that. All this internet fans vs real fans bullshit….and I’m saying this as someone who’s probably seen more Arsenal games at Emirates this season than most of you commenting, including the writer of this blog,. Anyone who dares to question abilities or decisions of Super Mick gets showered with insults and abuse, be it fellow supporter, or an ex player. This blog had been one of the worst culprits, I must say.

    Where we finish this season is absolutely irrelevant to these people, they’ll paint it a success. wherever we end on the table, they’ll lower the bar in order to present Supee Mick as some sort of football visionary. Engladsbest gave us the finest example with his comment “EL is better for us than CL”. Cringeworthy.

    We might get to Top4 this season, or not, but the main problem, without any shadow of the doubt, are blind followers of Super Mick. His totalitarianism had been rubbing off on them big time. We’re very close to the situation where any sort of meaningful conversation with these people would be impossible to have. Just look at the title of this thread, it’s pathetic. I honestly thought Pedro is better than that, but I’m not so sure. Whatever happened to a blog where “you can have an opinion, not get one”?

  52. Graham62

    Terraloon

    So true.

    What I find really really annoying on here is the fact, and it is a fact, that Pedro has a certain way of dealing with those of us that question Arteta and his own personal opinions on Arteta.

    Being told you know nothing or, you don’t know the inner workings of the club like me or, I have my contacts within the club etc etc is so disrespectful to so many.

    I can be forthright and sometimes aggressive and passionate with my own beliefs but our host has this unique ability to patronise and demeanour fans that are actually supporting his blog and, significantly, giving him respect in the process.

    My respect for Pedro has been eroded because of his arrogance towards those of us that have differing perceptions. Travelling as he does should open his eyes and mind up to life but, unfortunately, as you rightly highlight, he is from a generation that see things in a slightly different light.

    Cheers!

  53. Habesha Gooner

    Top 4 is necessary this season. Sure the ref destroyed that game but there was also naivety on our players. But it doesn’t matter now. We need to win those two games. And I believe we can.

    But on the chance that we don’t, then next season becomes pivotal for Arteta’s career. Top 4 is a non negotiable for me next season, whether we get it this season or not. 2 and half years in charge is enough time to demand top 4 as a minimum standard at Arsenal.

  54. Pierre

    Terraloon
    “Save the second yellow the first three fouls by Holding we’re wide and pretty close to the half way line.
    Holding had either been instructed to engage Son in such a way or simply was just too aggressive”

    Holding had no choice but to engage Son as in all 3 occasions prior to the red Cedric was engaging the tottenham left wing back…

    It was tactically naive of Arteta to allow this to happen, as i said previously, Holding could not allow Son to skin him otherwise there would be no cover.

    Arteta should have told Saka to cover the left wing back , leaving cedric to engage Son , whoch would have allowed Holding to remain in position.

    Or alternately play with wing backs to counter the problem .

  55. EdTheREd

    Graham62

    Interesting points there. It did cross my mind that Arteta gets most of his followers from so called Millenials. These are mainly people in their 30s….perhaps they feel it’s their time to run (lead) things?
    Either way, the unquestionable adoration for the guy who’s not yet achieved Top4 finish is at best puzzling, at worst deeply worrying. I can see these people still sticking by Super Mick even if we don’t get Top4 for next three seasons. Proper Cult Like mentality. All signs are there, I’m afraid.

    The good news is that most of Arsenal fans in real life are much more pragmatic and will not tolerate lack of actual results delivered, and there’s only so much PR you can ram down people’s throat before they realise they’ve been fed crap.

  56. Pierre

    I have said before , Odegaard is not a very good striker of a moving ball , tends to get poor contact which to me means poor technique..

    Dead balls he is fine .

  57. Pierre

    Morning Graham
    “How’s the golf?”

    Golf’s good thanks, managed to get down to a single figure handicap ….just. 9.5.

    Weather’s warming up nicely , could do with a couple of downpours as the course is drying up.

  58. Terraloon

    Pierre

    Arteta should have told Saka to cover the left wing back , leaving cedric to engage Son , whoch would have allowed Holding to remain in position.Or alternately play with wing backs to counter the problem .

    Interesting because one of the things that stood out like a sore thumb for me was just how lacking in energy Saka appeared.

    Personally I don’t think Cedric would have done any better against Son but Holding for whatever reason should not have been in the area of the fouls. For whatever reason the midfield players didn’t seem to have a clue in terms of recognising the Spurs threats as they developed they seemed if you like it blinkered.

    After the first 7 minutes when yes Arsenal had the better of those early exchanges Spurs be it through the players or Contes instructions adapted but Arsenal just carried on in the same manner and we all saw how things changed

  59. Graham62

    Pierre

    That’s great!

    Slightly naive in this respect but what clubs are being used these days? Do you use titanium shafts?

  60. Pierre

    There is a fear that we will implode after the tottenham debacle, mainly because we have seen it all too often since Arteta became manager

    This is when the manager earns his money , getting the tactics right, selecting the right personnel and making sure the players believe in what they are doing out there.

    Personally, i don’t think Newcastle are anything special and if we retain our composure and discipline, we should come away with 3 points…..

  61. Pierre

    Terraloon
    “Personally I don’t think Cedric would have done any better against Son”

    And that’s why Tomiyasu should have been assigned to Son, sorry to say but Arteta cocked it up by allowing Holding to be dragged into positions that he is like a fish out of water.

  62. Pierre

    Graham
    “Slightly naive in this respect but what clubs are being used these days? Do you use titanium shafts?”

    To be honest, i haven’t a clue, that area never really interests me , i just have set of irons i like, titliest.

  63. Up 4 grabs now

    I think we missed a trick once Davison got booked for hauling back saka.
    We should have switched everything down that side knowing that Davison was on a yellow.
    You know the same thing the spuds did once Holding was booked.
    That’s the difference between a rookie and someone with a bit of experience.

    The three easy games we lost before utd Chelsea and west ham are what’s put us in this position
    At the start of the season we knew the bindippers and city were miles better than everyone else, and Chelsea looked a step lower than them.
    everyone else was below that, us included.
    With all the problems at Chelsea with ambramahovic these last few months, third was there for the taking.

    And we ballsed it up.
    I can’t be bothered saying the same things about artetas flaws, we know what they are.
    But 4th was the bare minimum this season as it was for emery and for Wenger.
    No Europe and out the cups early on left us one target top four.

    We haven’t overachieved if we make top four, if we had snuck 3rd because Chelsea imploded that would have been overachieving.

    I hope we win our last two, and if we do, arteta has achieved the minimum, and good luck to him and the boys.
    If we don’t, and have a slow start to next season that new three year deal looks a dumb move.

  64. Pierre

    Terraloon
    “Interesting because one of the things that stood out like a sore thumb for me was just how lacking in energy Saka appeared.”

    And yet he played the full 90 minutes, so obviously the manager thought he was fit enough..

    If we have learnt anything about saka it is to not doubt him as he will make you eat your words.
    He doesn’t have fitness issues and has a quick recovery rate from knocks..

  65. Spanishdave

    Good comments about Arteta and the personal attacks on posters if we dare to question him.
    I feel that he over manages the team he constantly shouts out throughout the game.
    This puts doubt in their minds and it lowers their confidence.
    Our squad looks best when the tempo is high , but Arteta naturally is crab like and defensive.
    Forth place is about as high as the club will get, as all the other teams have far better managers.

  66. G

    ‘’ We have a tendency to not show up for some games; way at Everton, home to Brighton, away at Southampton etc.
    Yesterday was one of such games.
    We lost, deal with it and move in. We still have our fate in our hands.‘’

    Actually we did show up and would not have lost that with 11 players.. son should have been sent off on the 11th minute..

  67. Graham62

    Every manager has his own persona and mannerisms but Arteta’s are very annoying.
    Pointing, gesticulating, shouting, complaining………It pisses me off!
    What do our players really think?

    I wonder.🤔

  68. Nelson

    “new three year deal looks a dumb move.”
    ————————————————————
    We have seen many managers got fired or they want to move to other clubs. I can see Arteta joining either MC or Barca in the future.

  69. Pierre

    Imagine losing Guendouzi, Saliba and Eddie at the end of the season for peanuts.
    They could have been the spine of the side for years to come.

    And the thing is , we will have to spend up to 150 mil to bring in players of their level .
    Arteta needs to do a lot of persuading to bring Saliba and Eddie onside after showing no trust in them for the last 2 seasons.

    Whether they stay or go could be a defining moment in Arteta’s time at the club as he will be remembered more for letting quality young players leave the club whilst keeping a liability like Xhaka.

    There are reports of Real Madrid being interested in Saliba .
    Liverpool and Chelseas ( among others ) interested in Eddie and of course Guendouzi will sign for marseille and then probably move on to an elite club for 50+ .millon in a year or 2.

    I think it may have been wise to wait until to the end of the season to see how things transpire before awarding Arteta a nice new contract.

    Failing to qualify for champions league and potentially losing 3 quality young players after awarding a new contract to Arteta shows we have learnt nothing from past events.

  70. Johnson

    I wm just suppressed by the negativity of most of the people here so because we loose to spurs that is end of all the effort of both arteta and all the players this season we are still in 4th and spurs are still worst than us this all what the team need now is to focus on Newcastle and Everton not the gibberish most of u ate posting here.

  71. Tee

    Pierre, just shut it. 150M to bring players of that level in? Lol.

    .Whether they stay or go could be a defining moment in Arteta’s time at the club as he will be remembered more for letting quality young players leave the club whilst keeping a liability like Xhaka.

    Yes, like we will always remember Arsene losing out to other clubs for great players because of peanut.

    Nkethia and guen won’t influence jackshite defining moment. The only player I’m worried about is saliba.

    Even at that, the next transfer window is there to alter the scope of the team.

    Always looking for the right moment to vent your vitriol

  72. EdTheREd

    SpanishDave

    I’ve actually accepted Arteta’s coaching style, as well as his three year extension. It is what it is. He likes to send players on the pitch with special instructions he wants them to follow to the letter. ElNeni said as much the other day when he spoke about being able to 100% execute manager’s instructions.

    Problem is, as the stats clearly shows, once we go behind, player’s are still obliged to follow the original game plan, So when it goes well, it goes really well, but when it goes wrong….

    Another thing that concerns me was lack of any leadership on the pitch, when we needed it. Someone to rally the players, someone to have a quiet word with Holding after first yellow…we simply don’t have that kind of player…now you can reasonably argue that when you create a culture of obedient players, it’s almost impossible to have a proper leader on the pitch….

  73. Mr Serge

    I am still fuming about the loss at spurs but it’s still in our hands
    I have to agree though with most of the posters on here not getting CL when we were 4 points clear with 3 games to go is a failure of the club

    We should have invested in Jan once we knew auba was going. Hopefully this does not come and bite us on the arse

    Beat Newcastle and Everton win tomorrow we will get top 4

  74. EdTheREd

    Johnson

    So what you want people to do? We haven’t just lost another NLD, we’ve lost what could prove to be a crucial NLD for years to come, surely there’s no need to repeat the implications of us or Spuds finishing 4th. And we lost it badly. And people are stooping so low that they’re calling a conspiracy. I honestly thought we’re better than that.

    There’s a great lesson I’ve learned from American basketball coach, regarding missing shots (or the opportunity in our case) – you don’t get emotional, you give yourself an information, ie. why have I missed it? Did it go too left or right etc etc…so that’s how we should approach every defeat, analyse it to see what we could have done better, what can we do better next time and such. Blaming it all on bad referee is basically avoiding the reality of our defeat. And because I always carry this approach with me, I can tell you that out of TWELVE league defeats this season, we were hard done by only vs Man City at home. Every other defeat we were really poor, to put it mildly.

    Positive thing is of course that EVERYTHING is still in our hands, but as someone sais earlier, this is where whole team behind Arteta gets to earn their money.

  75. Dissenter

    G
    “ Dissenter do you think Son deserved to be sent off ..?‘

    Actually, I answered this question already, if you bothered to read the context of the remarks

    DissenterMay 14, 2022 00:09:12
    I don’t understand why English players play like Trappist monks
    In the course of footballing education in English club academies, Don;t they teach them how to get the attention of the referees?If someone elbows you on the ground, you stay down and hold your head like a bazooka was fired at it.
    Why didn’t Holding make sure that the referee and VAR reviewed the Son elbow on him?”

    Nope, Son did not “deserve” to be sent off because Holding is not sophisticated enough to know how to draw the referee’s attention.

    Why did Arteta assign Holding to handle Son. Holding is too simple, too naive, too slow and too uncultured to mark a player like Son
    If he didn’t assign Holding to mark Son, why wasn’t he making quick adjustments when it was clear Holding was being isolated with Son, repeatedly?

  76. EdTheREd

    The thing with Necastle game, even though we should be concentrating only on our performances, Spuds result against Burnley will play heavily on players minds, so that will be the first benchmark, tomorrow at 4pm we should know for certain exactly how many points do we need.

    The last thing we should do is think that Newcastle would lack motivation, I think it’ll be opposite. Last home game of the season, Live on TV, and Club motivated to see us fail in a quest for Top4. Why? Because with their financial power, they’ll be able to compete for exactly same player as us, come the transfer window, if we don’t hold onto a 4th spot. Also, and probably most worryingly, it’s not a secret anymore that if you score 1st against Arsenal, you have a very good chance to win the game. Only Wolves failed out of last 10 teams to do so. I’m expecting fireworks from the kick off on Monday night.

    I’m not saying we won’t beat them, but I’m saying disrespect them, assume they have nothing to play for, and they’ll beat us.

  77. Dissenter

    You have to wonder why we still never deploy rotational fouling?

    Maybe Arteta needs to appoint a specialist rotational fouling assistant coach before that can happen
    You’re always asking for trouble when the same player is repeatedly fouling another player in a very clumsy manner without the first 33 minutes, away from home.

  78. Akinzo

    I am still reeling from the loss to the Spuds. I haven’t been myself since that day but am hoping that the situation can still be salvaged as our position indicates that the top 4 remains ours to lose.
    Thousands of us here in Nigeria have to put the humongous and monstrous national problems aside to follow Arsenal. The club is our joy and you can only imagine how dreadful and jarred we’ve felt losing to the Spuds. However, as with everything in life, I want to remain positive and hopeful. Its not yet over until its over.
    Its why, I just can’t fathom why some people thrive on miserableness. It doesn’t matter the result, they’re always pessimistic and toxic. How can you claim you love a club and a victory for it makes you extremely sad? Any slip and they glow as if they’d won the lottery!
    Yes, as fans we are all entitled to our opinions but what kind of a fan is overjoyed with a loss by the club he claims he loves and cares about? It is indeed very sad what we see here! Even if you are a big bundle of to toxicity, this is the time to radiate positivity which is needed for us to claim 6 points in the last two games.

  79. GoonerDave

    Son over exaggerated it. Everyone knows this and Son is being praised for it. That is textbook simulation. Trying to make the situation appear differently to the ref. Cheating being rebranded as “shrewd” or “clever”.
    We had multiple leg breaks and serious injuries because the refs allowed it and deemed us too soft. Now, a player can go down by being lightly touched and suddenly it is a penalty.
    Players who try to con the ref should be booked for simulation.

    Still, win our next 2 games and the derby won’t matter. Let’s hope the lads can get it done because Arteta will lose a sizeable chunk of the fanbase if this team fails to make it. And we really should – beat Newcastle and Everton and we make top 4. I would certainly have taken that at the start of the season!
    Get it done boys.

  80. Terraloon

    Gooner Dave
    Son over exaggerated it. Everyone knows this and Son is being praised for it. That is textbook simulation. Trying to make the situation appear differently to the ref. Cheating being rebranded as “shrewd” or “clever

    See now here’s the thing in the first couple of minutes Eddie dived and in truth should have been given a yellow. There wasnt any contact that was a dive yet not even talked about

  81. Akinzo

    Thanks to the heavens none here is the manager or CEO of AFC. The things they say make you want to puke. Some pretend as if they have solutions to all the club’s issues, meanwhile, they are mere empty barrels. Even, Pep, one of the game’s acknowledged best brain doesn’t have everything his way. Even with his renowned man management and war chest has he won the CL? Klopp could not even bring his machine of a team to wallop the bumbling Spuds the other day despite its importance to their PL aspirations. If that was Arteta some people would have calked for a World War

  82. GoonerDave

    Terraloon
    If Eddie dived and tried to win a penalty by cheating, he should have been booked too.
    It doesn’t change the point though. Cheating is being praised by pundits but it ruins a decent chunk of football matches.
    Every time a player goes down because he “felt contact”, he is cheating. Unless there is enough contact to bring a player down, it is simulation.

  83. Terraloon

    Gooner

    My point was that certain players have reputations but Arsenal players aren’t innocents it comes back to this victim mentality supporters become very blinkered players are players are players.

  84. Gonsterous

    If we win the next game I think we can start singing the CL theme song. Cmon you gunners. Make me proud.

  85. Pierre

    Gooner Dave
    “Terraloon
    If Eddie dived and tried to win a penalty by cheating, he should have been booked too.”

    The first dive was by the tottenham left back after 10 seconds of the game..
    Threw himself to the ground with little or no contact.

    Maybe Terraloon should be a little more balanced in his views .

  86. GoonerDave

    Terraloon, I never said we were innocent of anything. But I firmly believe there is a lack of consistency among refs and it seems to work against Arsenal more than most.
    Pointing out a lack of consistency is not victimhood. You can disagree, but your opinion rejects analysis in favour of hand wave dismissal.
    If we fail to make top 4, it will be our fault. But there is nothing wrong with wanting fair, unbiased and consistent refereeing. The standard of officiating in the PL is the weak link. It is truly awful and needs reform.

  87. Pierre

    Terraloon
    “See now here’s the thing in the first couple of minutes Eddie dived and in truth should have been given a yellow. There wasnt any contact that was a dive yet not even talked about”

    Why only bring up the Eddie dive when the tottenham left back clearly dived.
    Could it possibly be that sky didn’t show a replay of the first incident , which come to think it was the pattern for the whole game in that they only highlighted any indiscretions from Arsenal players and ignored the deliberate elbow by son on Holding.

  88. EdTheRed

    Thought Police is very active on this blog. It’s usually a powerful tool of oppression in every totalitarian regime. I’m sure Pedro doesn’t want that. Well, I hope.

    On the menu today: “Everyone who thinks we were not cheated by the ref is miserable sod and hates the club.”

  89. Jonko

    Jonathan Moss and Paul Tierney always remind me of Phil Dowd…all throughly poor refs who are not fit enough to be close to the action and always buckling under pressure almost as if to please the home crowd…at least Mike Dean seems to have improved on that front

  90. Terraloon

    Pierre

    The first dive was by the tottenham left back after 10 seconds of the game..
    Threw himself to the ground with little or no contact.Maybe Terraloon should be a little more balanced in his views .

    You really need to go to Specsavers.

    The incident after 13 seconds was a trip on Davies by Nketiah. I have just watched it again pretty clear to everyone including the asst ref who was within 10 feet of it.

  91. Pierre

    Terraloon
    “The incident after 13 seconds was a trip on Davies by Nketiah. I have just watched it again pretty clear to everyone including the asst ref who was within 10 feet of it.”

    Imposiible to see if there was a trip unless you have a different camera angle as sky didn’t show it from any other angle….probably because it would have shown that he dived.

    Let’s be honest , He dived , all that was missing was the swimming pool and i would have given him 9.8 for artistic merit..

    Surely you being a referee would know that if he was tripped he wouldn’t go down like that, it was an exact replica of eddies dive a few minutes later, maybe Eddie thought the ref would apply the same rules to both teams…. obviously not

  92. The Bard

    Pierre you’re definitely onto something with this notion that we haven’t been creative since Ozil left. I actually think it goes further back. We have been in decline since Ray Kennedy was sold to Liverpool.

  93. Terraloon

    Pierre

    Imposiible to see if there was a trip unless you have a different camera angle as sky didn’t show it from any other angle….probably because it would have shown that he dived.

    Hold on a minute ago you said the Spurs player clearly dived and now you are saying it was impossible to see.!

    Nketiah clipped Davies’ heel from behind. The reason that Sky didn’t show a replay probably because there wasn’t anything controversial in the free kick. A bread and butter decision the reason Nketiahs dive was shown a second time was because it simply was a dive .

  94. LoveSausage

    The Bard,

    Please don’t encourage him. Ozil wouldn’t have made any difference. He only played in home games when the sun was out and there was no wind. For a game like this, he would have had “back pain”.

  95. englandsbest

    dissenter

    On the contrary. If anything, I am accused of being over-optimistic about Arsenal under Arteta.

    Yes, I am preparing the ground for the inevitable dopey onslaught from the anti-arteta brigade if he fails to get a CL spot.

    Naturally I hope we DO end the season in 4th place rather than 5th. But it’s also true to say – for obvious reasons – that the Club stands a better chance of going further (and perhaps winning) in the Europa than in the CL. The squad is young and will learn by experience, game by game.

    Does that make sense to you?

  96. TR7

    Before the game I ( and a few others) suggested that we play 3 at the back. After all even a draw would have more or less sealed top 4 for us. Arteta made no changes in his formation and we were exposed at the back.

    That ESR gets benched for a pedestrian Odegaard is perhaps the most baffling of all the bad decisions Arteta has made so far in his Arsenal career.

    Granted he has managed to keep us in the fight for top 4 but with Arteta we never really know what can happen. He makes odd decisions. Besides one loss often triggers a series of defeats. Let’s hope Burnley take points off Spurs because I have little confidence in Arsenal winning the last two games.

  97. Pierre

    Terraloon
    “Hold on a minute ago you said the Spurs player clearly dived and now you are saying it was impossible to see.!”

    Clutching at straws now aren’t you, the dive was as clear as day, and as for clipping his heels from behind , only a close up camera could determine that.

    My point is , and your recent comments have confirmed it, why do you go to such lengths to prove Arsenal are undeserving of a decision, and yet will blatantly lie to try and prove the opposition deserve a decisuon as per the davies clip of the heel

  98. Terraloon

    Pierre

    My point is , and your recent comments have confirmed it, why do you go to such lengths to prove Arsenal are undeserving of a decision, and yet will blatantly lie to try and prove the opposition deserve a decisuon as per the davies clip of the heel

    Talk about delusional. It’s not a question of trying to prove the opposition deserve a decision it’s all about being realistic and come to that honest when it comes to some that doesn’t go in Arsenals favour where’s it’s abundantly clear you want to see a conspiracy behind every event.

    No one and I mean no one mentioned that incident it was only you but as I had the game recorded I wondered if I had missed a referee mistake. I didn’t .

  99. TheLegendaryDB10

    Rewatched the Spuds penalty… and well I still don’t get how that was awarded as a penalty.

    It’s beyond soft. It is pretty clear that Tierney was very eager in giving a pen to Spuds.

    Regardless of that though I think we would have lost anyway. Holdings defending antics had red written all over them.

    I am nor sure whether Holding was trying to channel a terrible imitation of an aggressive Viera or whether he stupidly believed he would get away with his constant wrestling of Son. Regardless, it was extremely stupid considering that we were up against 12 men. He should have cut out his antics the moment he was shown his first yellow.

  100. GoonerDave

    That was a very soft penalty. It really was. I have to agree that the ref destroyed the game. Every soft penalty has the pundits scrambling for a view that shows “contact”. But nobody asks if there was enough contact to cause the player’s reaction; i.e. was there actually a foul?
    The justification of these decisions by TV pundits is almost as dishonest as the act itself.
    And the Premier League is indeed the best league in the world, but the referees are nowhere near good enough. And it does cost us. Not because some shady bribe or conspiracy is going on, but because a large percentage of the referees hate Arsenal. As a result, their subjective decisions are often influenced by the underlying bias. And they may not even be aware of it. Maybe foreign imports would be better.

    That said, we are 2 winnable games from a great achievement for Arteta and the team. We will do it and that awful derby will not matter at all.

  101. Nigel Tufnel

    Ernest you are just an angry person.

    I see haters here- I call them out. It’s not like I went on some kind of rant. You blow stuff out of proportion because that’s how you follow the team. Sad for you.

    Their are people here that are too negative and bitter.

    Pedro provides balance, and the haters attack him.

    Popular gooner accounts on Twitter are all with us. You and the haters are not normal, as Pedro and Johnny point out about the stadium crowds and traveling support.

    You do not support. You tear down. I give constructive criticism as like I didn’t like Artetas set up and tactics for the game.
    That’s balance.

    You are imbalanced.

  102. Nigel Tufnel

    Dissenter,

    we’re not disagreeing much at all. I wasn’t happy with Artetas choices, but I can’t ignore that a game with 50 mil riding on it got turned by a penalty that we never would have received, at home, or away. We all know that. We might get a soft penalty in a game where we already have a lead, and certainly not in am NLD or against any other top team.

    The first goal for a team like Tottenham that does nothing but play counter football is really more than a 1 goal gift. As soon as the pen went in, I felt like we had maybe a 25% chance of a draw against them.

    Arteta is teaching our guys how to play to the refs and kill time with a lead.. things that all teams do cynically and we never too, advantage of before. We still would never have got that call.

    I’m not even dwelling on it personally, because it’s not surprising and I do believe that Levys media cabal did not want top 4 decided with 4 more games to hype this season for both teams.

  103. Nigel Tufnel

    Also I’m not as positive as Pedro about our chances. One error Monday and the pressure becomes immense. If we don’t score early the pressure builds on our players, and could be hell to watch as a fan.

  104. TheLegendaryDB10

    Nigel

    As professionals, they should be able to turn the page and move on.

    But I agree with as it is a young team. I would rather see us score the fist goal as that would galvanise the team.

    But my worry is indeed: if we let Newcastle score first, would this impact the team even more??

    I really hope not, but they are young and if the pressure does get to them, it may be curtains for our top 4 aspirations.

    But right now, I truly believe that we can do it and finish 4th.

  105. LoveSausage

    I feel cautiously optimistic. It’s true that our losses this season have come in clusters but I genuinely think that bouncing back after that three game loss streak transformed the team mentality. Literally everyone thought we were dead. And we should have been. But the boys found the belief to bounce back even though they were about to play the chavs, United and the hammers. Beating two shit teams won’t feel impossible.

  106. TheLegendaryDB10

    LoveSausage

    This is where I agree with you. As long as we stay focused and do not dwell on the loss v Spuds, we can certainly do the job and win against both NU and EVE.

  107. LoveSausage

    DB10,

    It might actually be a good thing that we have so little time between the games. One way or another, this will be over Ina week so the team doesn’t have the option to let this fester. I think we’ll be fine.

  108. Ben D

    Watching the FA Cup final… Anyone who has ever belittled our FA cup wins should bow your heads on shame… It’s a big ocassion. Even Tuchel and Klop are showing that it matters….

  109. Tom

    Terraloon, big ups for the patient approach discussing ref decisions with Pierre….very entertaining too lol.

    Holding just stood there minding own business and Son ran into his shoulder, I believe was Pierre’s take on the second yellow card incident ……..that explains what one is up against there.

  110. Dissenter

    englandsbest
    Not so fast
    You’re trying very hard to whittle down expectations so that you can still declare the EL qualification a resounding success. In that process, you’re unwittingly setting the dregs expectations for this club.

    How about we qualify for the CL and go as far as we can, butting heads with the best players in the world, measure ourselves against European elite?
    If we don’t measure up we can still drop down to the EL in the same season.

    Your acceptance of the lowest measure comes across as the behavior of surrender simians
    Mind you, we are all simians, some of us just like to strive for the best.

  111. Chris

    I’ll always love the FA Cup too. Was fuming when we went out at Forest the way we did. Meek surrender at Southampton the year before too.

  112. Dissenter

    Nigel
    We don’t get enough penalties because we don’t put the referee on the spot enough
    We spend more time in our own box than the opposition 18 yard box.

    Just watching this FA cup final
    Liverpool have been to the Chelsea 18 yard box 9 times in 13 minutes. It they get a penalty, it’s because they made their luck.

  113. Markymark

    Bard – we have been in decline since Ray Kennedy was sold ? Cmon man. Titles , Cups The Invisibles and some of the greatest players whoever wore an Arsenal shirt . All post Ray Kennedy

  114. G

    Dissenter you been on the crack pipe

    Nope, Son did not “deserve” to be sent off because Holding is not sophisticated enough to know how to draw the referee’s attention.

    You for real, so because holding doesn’t make a meal of it Son shouldn’t be sent off
    Lol.., great logic

  115. Dissenter

    G
    Are you really so naive to think the referee sees everything on the field
    Are you clueless to think VAR reviews every off the ball incident during a game.

    They review was is deemed necessary
    If you get an elbow on the floor and you don’t take measures to make sure the referees comes back to review it and ask for help from VAR, then it’s on you.

    How many people saw the Son elbow of Holding during the game?… in real time?

    Holding got up like the choir boy that he has and did the English stoic pride thing to soldier on and not make a meal of it. How about putting the ref on the spot.

  116. Chris

    Only just realised the FA Cup finalists see the same as the league cup finalists.

    That hasn’t happened since we did the double over Sheff Weds in 93 I think.

  117. Chris

    Liverpool haven’t made the most of their early dominance and the game looks to be finally poised now.

    This is Chelsea’s third FA cup final in a row. Not sure if any other team has lost 3 in a row?

    I get the feeling they are going to snatch this one today.

  118. Rich

    Reports Arsenal have found an agreement with Bologna for Aaron Hickey for between €20-€25 million (£17-£21million)

    We definitely need another left back, would have preferred one with more experience, ideally PL experience

    Tomiyasu has taken to the PL like a duck to water, hopefully this lad has a similar adaptation, because with Tierney’s injuries, we’ll need him too

  119. G

    You couldn’t make it up.. ex Tottenham Tim sherwood saying soft penalty and some gooners on le grove saying it wasn’t

  120. DivineSherlock

    I see no lie with this post , I am shocked that people still dont think there is bias and rank incompetence in UK referees , PGMOL and FA and PL ruining the games for more views and controversy .

  121. salparadisenyc

    Stuttgart staying up with a 93 min goal and with it any options for Mavropanos other than likely sell for 1/15h his value. Horrific piece of biz from Edu on that one.

  122. G

    WTF u on about, why was var introduced, Son throws an elbow, ref misses it so var should get involved.. it’s not rocket science mate