SENIOR PLAYERS TANK AGAINST MEEK UNITED, REHASH OF LAST DECEMBER?

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Manchester United vs Arsenal goes down as the most frustrating game of the season. We lost. We shouldn’t have. That was a very hard dropped 3 points.

There are some pretty clear areas we need to improve in over the next 2 months if we want a realistic chance of winning things, and the first I want to talk about is confidence.

Arsenal controlled the opening phase of the game, we went a goal up (hilarious goal), then we replicated the familiar pattern of trying to see out a lead like it was the 88th minute. This is a confidence thing. It’s about the experience we lack at the moment. It is a problem because we let teams back into games when we shouldn’t. We’ve even played like this when we’ve won (Spurs / Leicester), the pattern is the same… we don’t know how to lead in games.

The next difficult topic we have to address is that once again, we’re in December, and it’s the senior players letting us down. Last year it was Willian and Luiz, this year it’s Partey and Auba. When I saw Big Mo on the teamsheet, I didn’t think he’d be bossing TP. But he did. The Ghanaian was at his imperious worst. His control was poor, he was giving the ball away for fun, and he just didn’t impose himself on the game. You can’t have that from your £45m centre midfielder. We’re getting to the point now that when Xhaka is back, it’ll be Lokonga partnering him.

Then there was Auba. Is he trying? Yes. Is he game for the cause? Yes. But he can’t player the Arteta system. He’s built for a counter-attacking side and that is not Arsenal. We need a brute. We need someone that can run the line, bully defenders, actually hold the ball up… finish. Our captain can’t do any of those things at the moment and it’s killing us. If Lacazette isn’t there, it’s like playing with 10 men. He was so anonymous.

Arteta gets rolled into this problem. He gave Auba a huge deal. Let’s be clear, there wasn’t another option. ‘I SAID SELL HIM’ doesn’t really wash, because if we had done that at the time, it would have been carnage. However, Arteta is now dealing with the burden of that decision. His richest player is also his captain… and our coach is shying away from benching him. In fact, he’s shying away from taking him off when he’s killing our game. If he’d removed him on 55 when he should have, maybe the game ends differently. The players don’t trust him with long balls into feet. They know he won’t keep hold of it. We spent 150m on defensive specialists that could hit a striker from 70 yards, now our issue is that the striker can’t hold onto it. The Odegaard penalty doesn’t happen if you have Lukaku upfront.

The last issue is errors. They’ve crept back into our game. All of those goals were avoidable. Ben White gifting United possession for the opener. Tavares and ESR having a total fail for the second. Odegaard with a wild slide tackle on Fred for the 3rd. It’s not acceptable to be doing that at Old Trafford.

All three of those goals were out of character for the squad. The sloppy passing with the most painful to digest because we’re too good for that. Part of the panic came from not killing the game off when United were looking extremely lethargic. We don’t have a kill mode at the moment. Part of that comes from not having a sharp point to our spear, part of that is that this team hasn’t had a lot of experiences together.

A few people were complaining about Mo Elneny starting. I’m with you, I don’t like to see him in the starting 11, but I suspect Lokonga had a tight muscle, so they didn’t risk him. Bit of a shame that AMN doesn’t have the trust yet… but let’s be real, he played well, he was the least of our worries.

We deserved to lose because we gifted a shite United the game for very little. The game was so weird. It was like a training match after 3 nights on the lash.

However, I have come out of that game pretty clear that we’re a much better team. United fans know this as well. We have better structure, our football identity is clearer, and the attitude is there. We just need to grow up a bit faster.

There were some good performances as well. Martin Odegaard is getting better with every game. He made a stupid error for the penalty, but that goal was stunning. He’s going to be good for us, I hope he gets more time on Monday to show his worth. There were a couple of United fans in my Twitch stream saying they were happy when he was subbed off.

Martinelli has his sparkle back. He’s powerful, creative, and he will impose himself on defenders. He was very naive not to pass when he was through on goal in the first half, a goal there kills the game, but he’ll make a better decision the next time. He should start the next game.

There were some good periods of dominance in the game. We controlled United and played some nice football when we had the bravery to do it. Problem is, we didn’t do it with enough intensity when the opportunity was there. Our game jolted back when we were chasing. That needs to get better.

So a painful loss. Some obvious areas of improvement. A chance to show what we’re worth on Monday against a very poor Everton side.

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Dissenter

Tom ‘ White delivered some killer balls last night………….. pretty much the only thing he’s done consistently for us since arriving, but I can’t point to a single goal Arsenal have scored as a direct consequence of his forward passes’ Yea, Ben White needs a striker that can play with his back facing his own goal, hold the ball to bring others into the game. That’s why Tammy was a cost effective option we could have pursued last summer. Ben White has been good but I still wonder whether we could have extracted the same dynamism from Saliba and used… Read more »

Sid

Xhakalson at left sided CB is the same tactict but this time we use Ben White.

Tom

“Ben White has been good but I still wonder whether we could have extracted the same dynamism from Saliba and used that £50 million differently.“

Dissenter, not seen enough of Saliba but from a few highlights I don’t think he and White have the same game.

Ishola70

Rich

I’m not stressing about it.

I agree with you. If Arteta doesn’t get europa league placing again at the end of this season it may be best to part ways.

In fact that should be what happens.

Unless we want to keep baby feeding Arteta.

Dissenter

Tom ‘ What other PL club would Elneny start for, just curious’ You mean be on the rotation for? He’s not a regular starter, just gets to okay when players need to be rested or are injured. He’s good enough to be on the squad of most teams not in the top 4. Leicester have worse players on the rotation and they’ve finished 5th for two consecutive seasons. He’s better than Hamza Choudhury, for example He’s on the way out and I’m a fan of Elneny. I have no problems with Arteta playing him. As abject as Elneny was, he… Read more »

Dissenter

*gets to play

Davey

Elneny played last night because he played well with Partey there last year when we won. Arteta said something in his pressie about his experience in this sort of arena, have a listen absolute comedy gold especially how we controlled and dominated the game. The guy is on another planet.

IAT-Robbie

“It’s very close from 4th down to midtable (…) We can’t keep continuing lowering the bar all the time for Arteta.” Ishola, Arteta’s managerial career here at Arsenal has been like watching a limbo contest. It’s like the club directors just want to see how much lower the expectations of sportswriters and the general fanbase can be lowered. His position was said to eventually become “untenable” at least 3 times in the last two years and yet here we are still saying the same thing. It’s either Mikel has 9 lives or there were never any genuine boundaries for him… Read more »

Guns of Brixton

The defence is not an issue for us at present.

I am pleased with Gabriel coming back into form and Ben white has done really well. The FBs are decent as well, tho i think Tiereny needs to come back.

Its upfront that wakes me up.in cold sweats.

Our Top striker has FOUR GOALS this season.

Pretty sure Reece James has more . We seriously need to address that somehow

Sid

Full circle on le grove. We sold Giroud to get Auba to run on to through balls,
now we want a striker that can play with his longstuff facing Ramsdale?

Guns of Brixton

“” To everyone saying Aubameyang is shit etc , we would struggle even if it was Haaland . How many chances did we actually create last night ? Its because he gets just 1-2 chances per game that the poor finishing gets amplified “”

This.

Tho the chances Auba did get he should of scored them.

Matt B

CC: I usually agree with you, but on Partey, I’m not so sure — I honestly don’t see him being that much better than Xhaka. Xhaka is consistent, Partey is flakey and for a £45M CM, I expected that he’d be giving us 7-8/10 performances game in game out.

Davey

IAT-Robbie

Great post and totally agree

Matt B

GoB: Haaland makes his own chances and is a lot less reliant on team mates than Auba. Haaland would score bucketloads for this Arsenal team

Dolomite

Posters on here make comments that indicate they’ve never actually played football in real life. The reason why Arsenal look very poor in attack when El Neny plays isn’t because he doesn’t make mistakes or covers ground it’s because he shadow marks ( see the 2nd goal, a decisive tackle stops Fred) and because he doesn’t PROGRESS THE BALL. I cant emphasise how important this major attribute of any central midfielder is – by progressing the ball you maintain the momentum of attack and keep the opposition defence out of shape – hence keeping your opponents on the back foot.… Read more »

IAT-Robbie

Matt B,

Xhaka was a £40.5m signing in a pre-Neymar transfer market. The performances we (rightly) expect of Partey is what we should expect of Xhaka.

Tom

Dissenter, I’m not blaming Elneny for this loss but if you want to really see how far “off the pace” Elneny is in this league then take another look at United’s break in the closing minutes and his sprint back.

Matt

For £350k a week, you need to be converting, even if you are only getting 2 or 3 chances a game.

G8

Perhaps its that Arteta can’t get the best out of Partey, Auba and Pepe..the decline of those 3 under Arteta is unbelievable !

englandsbest

Elneny is not a first-team choice for Arteta. So why did he play him last night? Well, the anti-arteta brigade have the answer: Arteta is plain dumb. To me that kind of silliness suggests THEY are plain dumb.

Spanishdave

It will be years before we stand toe to toe with the top three clubs.
And here we are with one of the biggest pay rolls, the most highly paid players, and the highest season ticket prices.
Getting nowhere.

Guns of Brixton

Matt B

Ohh that’s absolutely the thing. A monster striker would absolutely transform this team into something incredible. An RVP esque striker or similar would take us to the next level

Nelson

Xhaka is making good progress. He’ll probably be available in January.

Nelson

It is such BS resting AMN for January. AMN needs game time to improve.

Tom

Dissenter, Hamza Choudhury is on 1/5 Elneny’s wages and played 300 minutes for Leicester in the PL last season.
Elneny had 1542 PL minutes for Arsenal last season and 2400 in all competitions.

Hamza Choudhury shouldn’t be the benchmark Arsenal measure their squad players against.

JOEL

Arteta has the basis of a good squad of young dynamic players but a tactical outlook which is largely predictable and slow paced. United were ripe for the beating last night especially having been gifted the opening goal.Yet Arteta allowed a winning side to go off the boil and lose momentum.This is the difference between game management exhibited by the likes of Arteta,OGS and Nuno when compared to Conte,Tuchel and Rogers (never mind Pep and Klopp). As long as we keep faith in a coach who’s tactical approach is so easy to read and negate we will continue to meander… Read more »

Mr Serge

We will not progress until we get a proper striker and a CM that’s just the way it is all this square pegs in round holes is not working

into the red

Obviously we are into Christmas season, because that was first rate panto last night. Two sides that appear to be similarly dysfunctional off and on the pitch served up a very entertaining match, if you like the panto horse approach of two halves of the same team cobbled together in a comical way playing each other. Equal parts schoolboy errors and top level skills make for a compulsive watch, since you never know what is going to happen next. Both sides have weak, disjointed midfields, error-prone defences and some scintillating attackers. Just in different degrees and combinations. Both sides consider… Read more »

G8

Still think we wasted the summer money on a 50 plus defender and 30 plus on Odegaard when we could have got a potentially decent striker like Tammy Abraham and played ESR as no 10 and kept Holding and Saliba in the 1st team

Mr Serge

Oh look Sid is here spewing bollocks like he is the spawn of Yoda we must have lost last night

Rich

Spanishdave That’s football, Liverpool are historically the biggest club in the country, and they went 30 years without a top flight title United are the second biggest club in the country, they’ve not won a title in a decade, in spite of spending north of a billion, and massive money on wages We’re at the beginning of a new cycle, whether we can develop this current team into a winning machine is unknown, but this is the path we’re taking Enjoy the good times and never take them for granted, and then just try to roll with the bad times… Read more »

IAT-Robbie

“and the highest season ticket prices. Getting nowhere” Spanish Dave, That has been what has really irked me these past few seasons. Every stakeholder involved with AFC gets fair compensation for their efforts except the supporter. Players, directors, marketing partners, executive and coaching staff go home warm and richer. You, the fan, on the other hand are stood in the freezing cold somewhere in Merseyside. Your team got battered again and all you have is a bad mood and a lighter wallet to show for it. It certainly doesn’t help when your fellow fans are calling you a bad supporter… Read more »

Thank you and goodnight

@Matt B

Agree with you about Partey. Athletico must of been laughing all the way to the bank, so much so they’ve won a title since he left as well. Really expected more from a player who came so highly rated, not just by the fans but many so called ‘ soccer experts’ . As for his fitness, fuck me the guy seems injured more often than not.

Davey

I do think 34m or whatever was a waste on Ode when we have ESR as the 10, that dosh should have gone on Bisoumma, I like White but 50m when we have Saliba? Very odd recruiting IMO

Thank you and goodnight

Bisoumma, smaller than Partey but made of sterner stuff. Partey pulls a hamstring if you look at him funny. I actually think Sambi has a higher ceiling than Partey.

Thank you and goodnight

I do like Sambi. I think he’s a good buy from Arteta. Def has the potential to become very good for us. He’s still young and learning but does look promising and if xhaka comes back into the side, I would rather have him replacing Partey than Sambi

Berg10kamp

Our boys looked jaded, especially ESR and Partey. They have started almost every game since our turn in form. Should have started with pepe on the right and martinelli on the left then brought on saka for pepe and ESR for odegaard later. We definitely need a new striker. We need a peak Giroud with a little more pace. Lol

WengerEagle

Partey on his day is a monster but let’s be honest here, he has produced not even close to the consistency here that he did over in Spain. And he is supposed to be a prime 28 year old player well into his 2nd season with us. Elneny the obvious scapegoat (don’t get me wrong, he is shit and I have been saying this for forever and a day) from last night’s MF. Nuno Tavares has a mistake in him unfortunately as we are learning now. Hopefully he can iron this out of his game and we don’t have Clichy… Read more »

Ishola70

Nelson
“Xhaka is making good progress. He’ll probably be available in January.”

Ggggrrrr!

Thank you and goodnight

Fucking hell is Dermot Gallagher having a fucking laugh, apparently the penalty wasn’t awarded to Arsenal when Maguire fouled him in the box because it wasn’t a clear and obvious error. FFS what utter drivel to explain away the fact United had help from officials again. Isn’t VAR supposedly their to pick up those challenges that aren’t clear and obvious?

Chris

Disappointing result last night but will shrug it off, much like the Liverpool game. Another year of the majority of this team growing together, with significant additions replacing some of the senior players, and I feel we win games like last night, and against the bigger teams in general. In the mean time (for this season) we need to put away all the others ie everyone below 7th/8th and we will be there or there abouts for 4-6th. We need to show a ruthlessness by putting Everton to the sword on Monday, with a conniving performance. They are on their… Read more »

WengerEagle

The good news is that while the big 3 will go on to stretch that gap far out as they are vastly better than the rest of the league, the 4th place CL spot looks wide open.

Unless Rangnick/Conte can work their magic and drastically turn around United/the Spuds I don’t see why with an attacking addition in January (hopeful) that we can’t potentially snag that last CL spot.

West Ham and Moysie are also a threat but my gut tells me that they will run out of steam like Leicester have in previous years.

WengerEagle

Harry Maguire is such a poverty player it is unbelievable.

Quality wise he is easily the worst £50m + player that I have ever seen and he cost £80m!

Slow, clumsy on the ball, cannot pass it out from the back (White excels in this department), has a big error in him, thick as fuck and a wooden character/crap captain. As inspirational a leader as Enda Kenny.

Ishola70

Weagle

The thing is Conte in particular doesn’t have to “drastically” turn Spurs fortunes around. They are on our coat tails with a game in hand and I remember when they were said to be at their lowest ebb they weren’t fatally behind the pace either.

Ishola70

Agree about Maguire.

He has his moments at times which are good to decent but overall he’s an over-rated lump.

WengerEagle

Ishola

True, not drastically all right but quality wise I don’t see them as being better really. Even with Conte there he has some very poor defenders, a below average CM and a dodgy keeper to work with. Also no cover for glass ankles ‘Arry Kane.

WengerEagle

It won’t happen because he will end up at a better side than us is my suspicion but Raphina would be an ideal January signing.

Would be worth every penny that Leeds would demand.

Thank you and goodnight

@WengerEagle

Right now anyone would be an upgrade on Aubu

TR7

Seeds of our failure so far were sown in the summer. We needed a central midfielder and a central forward the most. Arteta spent bulk of our money on defense and an ineffective CAM.

Graham62

Let’s put the cards on the table shall we. Mikel Arteta is not and never will be a top coach. The reason for this is quite simple. He doesn’t possess a true winning mentality. He won’t react to the obvious and acts in fear. Instinctive decision making is not in his makeup and consequently the players feed off this in a similar fashion. This can be seen by his incredibly irritating and nervous reactions pitch side. That’s right, having a nervous breakdown every five minutes will just put added pressure on the players. They feed off this negativity. Arteta has… Read more »

WengerEagle

TYAG

It still boggles my mind that Auba was ever compared to TH14.

At least the Walcott- Henry comparisons were somewhat tongue-in cheek, you actually had people seriously comparing Auba to him at one point and saying Auba was > RVP which was always laughable.

Auba unless the ball was in the pen box even in his prime was a ghost while Henry was just magic.

salparadisenyc

Realistic attacking option in January who we thinking?

Think it’s quite possible we see Pepe out on loan for rest of season, looks a fractured relationship at this stage and we know where that goes with Mikel.

TR7

I don’t think we are going to finish 4th and primarily because we have Arteta at the helm. We have created only 7 big chances this season ahead of only Norwich. Eventually lack of creativity will catch up on us and we will slide down the table.

Thank you and goodnight

@WengerEagle

Imagine how much Henry would be earning a week in his prime with us. Legend

TR7

Emery had a great unbeaten run too but the underlying components were alarming. Eventually he ran out of luck.

Thank you and goodnight

I think top 4 is within our grasp but only if we stop shooting ourselves in the foot. That’s what upset me most about yesterday,

WengerEagle

Sal

Have you been watching Nice? Have kept an eye on them because of Galtier and I love the look of that Gouri fella. Can play wide left or up top.

In the PL, Raphina is my top realistic (ish) choice but I think a better placed club than us for now will sign him.

Thank you and goodnight

Oh also need a new striker in January asap

Rich

The most solid link for January is Kulusevski, but without a permanent departure, it seems unlikely

The Fiorentina president name dropped us alongside Juventus for Vlahovic in January yesterday as well

We’ve got a first team squad of 27, and players out on loan, we still need to purge this squad of plenty of excess

WengerEagle

Pedro Yeah and to be honest, top 4 is open in the way that the title was in 2015/16 was because the rest of the rivals for it look all over the place while we at least are stabilised. The worry is that personnel wise Rangnick can near 180 United’s form. It is hard to believe that he could not get a lot more out of the likes of Sancho, Martial, Van de Beek, Telles, etc than Ole managed. I am not as concerned about the Spuds if I am honest, even with Conte. United have a superior team and… Read more »

WengerEagle

Kulusevski is a brilliant talent, has been horribly mismanaged at Juve who are a mess.

WengerEagle

As if we will sign Vlahovic lol, come on now.

The most in-form ST on the planet in 2021 outside of Lewandowski and Benzema. Think that has not caught a lot of attention?

TR7

Pedro

We fail to bring our strikers in to play which is undeniable even if you don’t agree with stats and it’s been a longstanding problem under Arteta. It’s quite alarming.

Rich

United were always favourites for 4th, football isn’t played on paper, but they have by far the most quality outside the current top 3, particularly in the final third, they’ve got some many goal scorers Our advantage will be on the home straight, from February we’ve got a game a week, new players will be more settled, and we’ll have fresher legs than most of the teams around us. We’ve just got to stay in the mix, I certainly don’t see us running away, but we’ll be in with a good chance of 5th-6th, and we’re one of the teams… Read more »

Graham62

Pedro

“After last night, I actually feel more confident we can get top 4 this season”

Really, based on what.

We won’t beat the top three home or away.
We can’t beat a poor MU side?
We struggle against some of the so called lesser teams.
Why do some of the lesser teams do better against the top sides?
No fear have anything to do with it? Simple game plans and instructions? No pressure?
How do you think we’ll do against Everton?

What do you really think?

Graham62

We only have one ego at Arsenal!

Oops!!

Rich

WE

Juventus are in trouble, could be looking at a transfer ban, or even another relegation, financially they don’t sound in great shape either

Vlahovic might have better offers, but who else can pay the €70 million that Fiorentina want? Also with Laca + Kolasinac on the way out, we’ll have some wages being freed up

Don’t know much about Vlahovic, but for the right player, I think KSE would back us, it’s then about convincing the player to come the PL, £8-£10mill p/a might be enough to turn his head

Rich

Fabrizio Romano

Fiorentina president Commisso: “I don’t know if Juventus are able to sign Vlahovic in January. But I wanna say to Juventus or Arsenal that we [Fiorentina] are the ‘owners’ of Vlahovic. They should open talks with us – not with his agents”, he told
@tutticonvocati
#Juve #AFC

salparadisenyc

Eagle

Been wasting my too much energy on the Série A, following Ligue 1 intently but less viewing. Have to say Galtier’s a real talent at this stage.

Hard to pin down where this crew would make a move but Juve certainly seem target rich. Raphina, kind of ideal would love to see Berardi out of the Série A, .Always love thé Oyarzabal and Berenguer with Bilbao is about to pop.

My guess is Pepe Newcastle bound, not a recipe for success that.

Benjamin

IAT-RobbieDecember 3, 2021 13:06:20

Comment of the day!

Jim Lahey

Any chance Carrick is available?! Schooled the shit out of Arteta last night! 😂😂

englandsbest

I imagine that the last thing the incoming Man U manager wanted last night was a win engineered by Ronaldo. The more the players lean on Ronaldo, the harder the clean-up job he’s been hired to do. Re the other major contenders for 4th place: Leicester City are inconsistent, West Ham have a poor PL record, thus likely to fall away., and Conte admits Spur is the toughest job he’s had. That makes Arsenal a good bet for 4th place. The key factor with Arsenal is that the Club is two years down the line. There are still missing pieces… Read more »

China1

6 big chances against Newcastle?

Honestly don’t remember the game that clearly but I don’t recall us having 6 ‘big’ chances

Graham62

Typical modern day Arsenal supporter, reliant on the other teams to help us out.

Where did it all go wrong?

CG was right. Where is he by the way?

Sean Dyche would get us top 4 with this squad of players.

No sweat.

salparadisenyc

Haha put the pipe down Graham, Dyche would have ESR reading up on NHL checking tekkers.

Graham62

IF AUBAMEYANG STARTS AGAINST EVERTON, I THINK I’LL TURN THE TV OFF!

Only an inept manager would persevere with Auba.

Guns of SF

Jim

No man, just no…. that was too much to start my day.

Spanishdave

We simply cannot maintain a pattern of play up.
We get a goal and immediately seem to drop deep rather than pressing on to score again.
As we drop deeper the midfield opens up with big gaps for teams to use freely.
The top teams maintain their shape and tighten up gaps quickly.
Arteta is weak at game management and he won’t get to a managerial level we need to regain our perceived position in the Premiership

Graham62

Sean Dyche would play to our strengths.

Unlike a certain Spaniard.

Aaron

Pedro, That is being disingenuous, you know clearly that 3 of those 14.3 shots are outside of the box, taken by Partey or Tavares, and to the moon. 6 big shots against Newcastle, no, not even close. From another: AFC are now 1-1 against recently replaced coaches with 2 games or less with their new teams. Arteta screams from the sideline, after we scored early, on a fortunate ESR goal, “stay in your lane and do not go past the halfway line” or something like that. Turtle up baby….. Elneny was himself, the partnership with Partey is horrible. Auba ain’t… Read more »

Graham62

So my question to you is who’s the better manager/coach?

Arteta or Dyche?

Bearing in mind the infrastructure and financial implications.

Paulie

You say utd are shite which is true. Question is what does that make us as we were beaten by shite. Just f***ing say it, Aubamayang is finished, he’s never coming back

Guns of SF

Martinelli ESR and Saka need to be on all together at same time moving forward

if ESR is next to Saka and martinelli, good things will happen

Guns of SF

Dont get me wrong I like Auba, a friendly good nature fella.
However, compare his captaincy to PV

PV wanting to literally strangle Keane behind the scenes

In todays, era, its more likely captains take selfies together than anything else.

When he is ready, would like to see KT take the armband. Someone who doesnt do this millenial BS. Old school attitude-

It starts from your captain… the fight, the grit, the encouragement on the pitch, the toughness, etc.

We dont get that… not even from Xhaka.

A leadership issue on the pitch too

Champagne Charlie

Can’t stand the assessment re:Auba that claims no other striker would be scoring in this team ‘because it’s not like Auba is missing loads of chances’. He’s not missing chances because he’s a major prohibitive factor in us making any. If you think a CF in 2021 is about simply finishing off chances made by the rest of the team then you’re a fossil. The basics that make just a “good” PL striker are to offer a threat facing both ways, moving defenders, winning duels, carrying the football, and scoring/assisting at a decent rate (Watkins, Toney). Elite strikers do all… Read more »

HerbsArmy

Graham

On a level playing-field, Sean Dyche pisses all over Arteta.

Champagne Charlie

Comments like ‘Sean Dyche would get us top 4’ really remind you the level of some people on Le Grove. My god

Matt

Shots outside the box by Partey should never count for anything, anywhere.

HerbsArmy

Most of it is snobbery, Pedro.

TR7

Come on I don’t rate Arteta either but Sean Dyche ?

HerbsArmy

Whilst we will never know whether or not Dyche could take a club into the top four, if he and Arteta were to job swap, I don’t think Arteta would keep Burnley up in the PL.
I agree with some of what you say, Pedro, Burnley are a town of 70,000 people, the football club is a much smaller operation than most other PL clubs, and their structure is built around Dyche, he wouldn’t be allowed to weild the same power at any other PL club, so your point is a valid one.

Aaron

Pedro,

They count, but they don’t do they, because they never have a chance in hell of going in! Wasted possession really….

Sid

I must admit, spanish Juan Douche Arteta is a slight improvement on the English version