ARSENAL FUMBLE AT ANFIELD WITH NAIVE SHOWING. WHAT’S THE DAMAGE?

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Arsenal lost their first game since Manchester City away at Anfield to a team that has lost 1 in 27 games.

It was brutal.

A lesson in the true meaning of elite.

Fear not. This won’t be a blog post catastrophising the result because we have moved well beyond that sort of stuff. We’re not at the end of the journey with this squad. We’re at the start. Unbeaten runs are welcome but don’t think they will be the norm for at least a couple of years, there’s still a lot of work to be done.

Losing 4-0 to any team is always going to sting, but it wasn’t the same as City at home, there we real positives. The first half was very good as far as I’m concerned. We competed with Liverpool, there was good structure, and everyone was up for the fight (including Arteta on the touchline).

The game didn’t turn on the first goal. We came out for the second half firing and we looked like a team that was going to have a crack. Sadly, the game turned on the second goal. Nuno Tavares, a player that has been very impressive, won the ball in defence, broke forward, and passed directly to Jota who did extremely well to finish past Ramsdale.

Everything went downhill after that. We saw firsthand the difference in experience and quality. Our heads dropped, the game plan fell apart, and we let Liverpool happen to us. Getting spanked like that always hurts, but remember, this Liverpool side turned around a 3-0 deficit at Anfield to a Barcelona that had Messi in it… they’ve been together 6 years, they are a team at the peak of their powers, we are a team at the start of our journey.

There are certainly some areas of concern. Our senior players didn’t really show up when we needed them.

We need to talk about Auba. I love him, he’s changed his game this season, the pressing is notable… but it’s not enough. He can’t become the striker this system needs. He’s not present enough because let’s be fair, his game has never been about that. We’re trying to turn him into something he’ll never be. We can ride it out against lesser teams like Spurs, but we’re always going to struggle in big away games because he doesn’t have the power or the game to be devastating against clubs like Liverpool.

The trouble with Auba and Lacazette is you need one player that adopts the strengths both currently share between themselves. Our team is crying out for a striker with the aggression and link-up play of Lacazette combined with the pace of Auba in his prime. We also need someone that can dominate like Adebayor or Olivier Giroud. Two of our most experienced players aren’t quite right and our younger strikers just aren’t ready. It’s no use shouting ‘GABRIEL MARTINELLI’ because we’ve seen him blow his chances this season against lesser teams. It’ll be baby steps with him and Liverpool certainly wasn’t the game for Arteta to drop on him.

Our biggest problem was midfield. They weren’t brave. The same issues we suffered against Brighton and Palace fizzed up in relevance again. The first half was compact, Thomas Partey and Sambi Lokonga did a really good job. They still didn’t play through Liverpool though. We didn’t really open up the game to our forwards the way we know those players can. We let Liverpool get into our heads, that made it hard for us.

I don’t want to say it, you don’t want me to say it, but a game like that needed a peak Xhaka next to Thomas Partey. He always shows, he never cowers, and he will move the ball forward. I’m actually really looking forward to having him as an option because in certain games, he gives us experience and skills we’re lacking a little bit at the moment. That’s not a sleight on Sambi Lokonga, there aren’t many 21-year-old midfielders in world football equipped to hold their own against Liverpool. It’s just part of our reality. Sambi is going to be a great in 2 years. This season, he’ll be great in certain games, because inconsistency is just part of the mix. If you need reassurance, just read what one of the Premier Leagues’ greatest defenders in Premier League history said about him recently.

‘The first thing I did when I saw Sambi is I went to Mikel and said, ‘You’ve got to watch this guy, he’s the new Yaya Toure.’

“What I like with Sambi – and it’s rare in football, what Yaya did have – is he wants the ball no matter what.

“If the teams not doing well, give the ball to Sambi. If the team’s doing well, give the ball to Sambi. He will never hide away from his responsibility.

“He has things he has to improve… if he remembers the conversations we’ve had, he will know exactly what he still has to work on but at the same time… Yaya was a finisher and that’s a very rare thing to have. I don’t know about that [with Sambi].”

“The point is you need players who are not afraid to have the ball when the going gets tough. As a centre-back, your job stops at a certain point on the ball.

“And you need to be able to give it to people who see the next pass, see the next move, take responsibility, take people on and put that tempo in when there’s no tempo in the game anymore. For me, that’s what Sambi has that makes him special.”

I’ll take his view over @Registorama⁰⁰⁷, 2000 Twitter followers, working at Carpetright in Slough.

Our defence conceded 4 goals, that’s not good, but I do feel confident that the group is going to get better and better. One thing is for certain now, we can play the ball out the back. Everyone is really comfortable. Ramsdale is just so, so elite. What a player. Hopefully, he doesn’t have too many games where he’s that busy. The rest of the unit is raw, but there’s a lot to love about them. Again, remember, the oldest player in our back 5 is 24 years old, there is SO much growth.

The investment this summer will pay dividends, but to move forward, we likely need a revamp of our frontline. If you have a DCL, Isak, Oshimen or a Tammy A in that starting 11, we’re a different proposition.

Games like Liverpool also show you the limitations of a project strategy like the one we’ve embraced. ESR and Saka weren’t at their prodigious best. That will happen. They are incredibly young to be occupying such important positions. That doesn’t mean their lapses don’t hurt us. Bukayo found some great spaces in the first half, there were three occasions when he had a choice to make that could have opened the game, each time, he picked the wrong one. Those moments change games. Simple as that. That’s part of the learning experience and the deal we do as fans when we have exciting kids in the squad. He’ll get better because of it, but that’s the difference between Arsenal and Liverpool. Salah and Firmino are both 29, ESR and Saka are 19 and 21. Want some context on that? Sadio Mane was starting his first season with Metz at 19 years old. He managed 22 appearances and 2 goals that season. Saka had made 85 Premier League appearances and started in the final of an international tournament by the time he was 20 in September. Mo Salah? He was playing for Al Mokawloon, he hadn’t made it to Switzerland or spent time with Jose Mourinho who would bin him to Roma. I really, really don’t want to be reading shite commentary that our Hale-End boys don’t have the skills to hit the highest of levels. You cannot treat Saka and ESR like they’re seasoned veterans, because they are not.

Arsenal is currently a very naive outfit. Liverpool isn’t just an outrageous squad from a technical perspective, they know the dark arts. Sadio Mane is a cheat, that’s why he riles everyone. When he’s firing into challenges, he’s a warrior, dropping elbows, crunching limbs, all under the guise of innocence… when he’s on the ball, someone brushes past him he hits the deck and screams like he’s been hit by artillery shrapnel. Arsenal don’t do that. We’re too honest. Tomiyasu is case in point, he’d stay on his feet if someone was clubbing him with a boot. Most of our players operate that way. We need to grow some fangs and find that edge that all the best teams have. It’ll come, but that sort of instinct for the game needs to be taught.

I did see a few people complaining about Arteta kicking off with Klopp, some journos suggested the game pivoted on that. Honestly, grow up. That for me was a ‘my manager’ moment. The greats kick-off and fight for their players. That’s the first time I’ve seen him do that. I loved it. Wenger did it. Fergie did it. Mourinho did it. Klopp and Pep do it. For 40 minutes, that game felt like a classic Arsenal game of the past. Everyone was up for the fight, the temperature was off the charts, and it felt like we were competing. It didn’t end that way, but look, Klopp doesn’t get that riled for games he thinks he’s breezing. It’s also extremely amusing that the crowd that whines relentlessly about the winnertivity of Guendouzi for having a go at Maupay AFTER a game had finished, are the same complaining about Arteta decorum. For the record, Simeone, Ferguson&Wenger, Pep G, and Mourinho have all been up to worse. If your moan today is Arteta stuck up for his players against a cheat, you need to get in the bin. Also, reference the last paragraph, it’s amusing that a segment of our fanbase is as green as our players. If you’re moaning about managerial decorum as Mane brings Masters Degree levels of shit-housery to the game, I really have to ask if you’re even paying attention.

Losing to Liverpool away at Anfield stings. We haven’t won there since 2012, so plenty of experienced Arsenal teams have dealt with this sort of defeat. We can do better, we will do better, but today we couldn’t do it. The internal target has to be to right the wrong at The Emirates.

The bigger job now is the next game. Arsenal, for 25 years, have always been awful after a great run of ‘unbeaten.’ Wenger’s teams were always clunky after a big run ended, Emery’s 21 game unbeaten run ended and the bad form didn’t stop until he was fired, Arteta had a good start last season, then sunk into hell. We can’t let this game kill our momentum. We have to react. That’s what big teams do.

We’re in Phase 4™ of the season. Arguably the toughest. This phase lasts until January 1st. It’s brutal. It happens fast. It goes a long way to deciding how a season finishes.

  • Saturday 20th November: Liverpool (A)
  • Saturday 27th November: Newcastle United (H)
  • Thursday 2nd December: Manchester United (A)
  • Monday 6th December: Everton (A)
  • Saturday 11th December: Southampton (H)
  • Wednesday 15th December: West Ham United (H)
  • Saturday 18th December: Leeds United (A)
  • Sunday 26th December: Norwich City (A)
  • Tuesday 28th December: Wolverhampton Wanderers (H)
  • Saturday 1st January: Manchester City (H)

There were 30 points to play for. We’ve dropped 3 already. 27 are available. Our target for this phase should be 20 points. If we can deliver that, I suspect we’ll very much be within spitting distance of top 4.

The back half of the season will see our big games played at home. Our young players will have adapted to the Arteta system and will have learned more about each other and the expectations of The Arsenal. The benefits of no European football should start to pay dividends as some of our rivals move into the next stages of Europe.

Arteta needs to pick the players up from this heavy defeat. Newcastle arrives in 7 days, then we have a really big test against a United that I suspect will have no coach by that point. That’s a chance to make a dent in their top 4 challenge to make it impossible for their next manager and it’s a chance for the coaching staff to earn a little fan capital back.

This season is still on track my friends. Leicester lost, West Ham lost, Palace drew, Brighton lost, and United lost. Spurs can’t go above us tomorrow, nor can Everton. We are still 5th in the table, 3 points behind 3rd, 5 behind 2nd, after a game we didn’t really have much of a chance to win. The most important thing now is winning our next game and making sure we stay in the pack.

Ignore the catastrophisers that had nothing to say during the 3-month unbeaten run. If you are a person that thinks there’s an ‘I told you so’ moment after an away loss against Liverpool, you are a f*cking idiot. If you see people calling time on the project today, just think about how sad their Arsenal existence is. Their love is not with the club, it’s with their dead agendas they are trying to resurrect because they’ve forgotten what being a supporter is all about.

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342 Responses to “ARSENAL FUMBLE AT ANFIELD WITH NAIVE SHOWING. WHAT’S THE DAMAGE?”

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  1. Tony

    Now we’ve witnessed Sambi and Nuno’s levels, are Azzes and Patino that far behind them in readiness for the PL? My reason for asking is what was being said earlier about Xhaka being brought back.

    I think it’s simple; Xhaka got rid of Wenger, Freddie and Emery. Wenger because he wrongly believed in the player and Freddie and Emery who saw through his BS and poor and terminally slow craftsmanship for a PL player.

    Arteta plays Xhaka he’s get his handbrake football back with the addition of crab football no one wants to see bar opposition fans and players. Arteta being Arteta backing himself 100% thinks, wrongly, Xhaka is his safety net player, but Xhaka’s net is anything other than safe.

    Can’t wait for the Amazon vid.

  2. MD-Gunner

    @Tony
    “Had we won Pedro would have been extolling the virtues of Arteta’s sauce. Instead he’s doing his Yorky terrier ankle snaps at posters’ ankles, as he refuses to believe any view but his own. Wait.. …..Same as Arteta. ”

    Spot on and comedy gold. the prediction was from the next 30 points to get at least 20 well that was just narrowed down to 20 from 27 and in typical Pedro fashion it is doable. 1st week in December we will see where we are.

    WTF is this talk about who to get in the TWs? I thought we just finished one and now the team is what Arteta wants. Looks like more money needs to be splashed in January to get into European football. What does that tell you about the business done last summer. As already pointed out wrong positions and too much money. Could have saved 50 mill if we played Saliba. But that train has left as the negotiating power is now with the p0layer and agent after his performance with Marseilles.

  3. Tony

    MD, Josh was quoted as saying we have £70m for the Jan TW and the press have hinted that Edu is in full swing looking at new acquisitions.

    Click bait or whatever, Arteta is looking for an experienced Striker first and MF 2nd by the look of it.

    I thought the handbags spat on the line was funny especially as Arteta quickly retreated before ferociously barking at Klopp firing fingers at Pool’s manager from a distance.

    Man needs to learn to kick a water bottle. Mind you Mane is a 24 carat cnut of a dirty player. Mane’s lucky Shawcross and his ilk isn’t in the PL.

  4. Tony

    Mecca or that drug fueled island with working girls. My thinking is the latter so long stuff can get a few workouts in larger accommodations.

  5. IAT-Robbie

    “The greats kick-off and fight for their players. That’s the first time I’ve seen him do that. I loved it. Wenger did it. Fergie did it. Mourinho did it. Klopp and Pep do it”

    Wenger v Mourinho @ Stamford Bridge – Chelsea 2-0 Arsenal

    Fergie v Mancini @ Ethiad Stadium – Man City 1 -0 Man Utd

    Mourinho v Pep @ Camp Nou – Barcelona 5-0 Real Madrid

    Klopp v Tony Pulis @ The Hawthorns – West Brom 2-2 Liverpool

    Pep v Klopp @ Anfield – Liverpool 3-1 Man City

    Those are the high profile moments of the managers you mentioned losing their cool.

    See a pattern Pedro?

  6. MD-Gunner

    That spat Arteta started with Klopp was a total brain fart, he got all of Anfield in a tizzy which fired up the players and the 12th man effect took place, thus the 4:0 defeat. He is so clueless that he couldn’t figure that out, attacking the beloved Klopp on home grounds is like stirring up a hornets nest. But expected from a Rookie manager to make a Rookie mistake.

  7. IAT-Robbie

    “To not have Eddie even on the bench highlights one of Arteta’s weaknesses in that he allows contract negotiations to influence his team selection”

    Pierre, there’s definitely a point to be made there. Though I haven’t forgotten that this man also played David Luiz and Mustafi (over Saliba) regularly when their contract talks were stalling. I still find it hilarious that Luiz’ renewal was announced immediately after that calamitous display against City.

  8. IAT-Robbie

    Pierre,

    I also used to the solution to all our attacking woes would come from a change in personnel. Til it dawned on me that Arteta has not elevated the vast majority of players in our squad. Instead he has brought them down to his level of playing. When so many squad players have either stagnated or regressed, I personally can’t be blaming the squad anymore.

    Of course players should be held accountable for their mistakes but I no longer judge most of our players as harshly anymore for looking average. Mikel just isn’t competent enough to be a Prem manager right now. If he was given Salah, he’d have him performing just like Auba in no time.

    A Martinelli or Nketiah leading the line would just be another isolated striker feeding off scraps.

  9. RJM

    Yes grow up people. Arteta is always right. All criticism should be directed at the players.

    Arteta knows….everyone else is a child.

  10. Sid

    @Tony, Longstuff gets a workout during regular working days, when i take a sabbatical Longstuff needs a break,
    and
    Mecca is not on my list, im more of Kemetic

  11. Guns of SF

    MD good point- Mike was trying something that was all about Mike at the end of the day… Tomi was fine. He got up as expected and played on. This was not a foul in the box with a penalty to be decided.

    Not sure what this was. I like the drama but overall it was pointless kinda

  12. Tony

    “Mecca is not on my list, im more of Kemetic”

    Sid I just thought I’d offer a choice and you’d put me right if I was off base, and you did.

    Just thinking about this time in Thailand and in the villages throughout the country make life size dolls with huge penises and have them at the front of their property.

    So I thought I ought to warn you if you ever did the locals tour of the country. Would hate you to see one of those dolls and think it was an invitation for anything or if you saw many you’d think news of your travelling was becoming legendary.

    Just saying.

  13. Guns of SF

    No Tony
    Just was in Fremont with my cousin and had plenty good ones…

    its nice to be back on here for a few days. Been checked out with lots of stress at home front lately with the missus and holidays etc.
    Kinda shitty man.
    But hey, LG is a great distraction!

  14. Tony

    The dolls are to ward off witches of some kind from taking their husbands.

    At a village gathering for boy rating festival, in the Nong Kai region of the Northeast, on the Mekong river which marks the Lous/Thai border, I asked the village chief if any disgruntled Thai wives had tied up their husbands in drunken stupors outside their houses.

    He replied they had and still do. I asked if any had been taken away keeping a straight face and the chief roared with laughter saying no but he’d like to see a few get taken.

  15. Tony

    Sorry to hear that Guns yesterday’s result or more the manner of it couldn’t have helped much either. I wonder4ed where you’d gone because there aint many in the night crew. China was off the same time and I wondered if I’d said anything.

    Joking aside, hope things are settling to a more agreeable pace.

    The next 94 odd days are going to be well not uneventful of for the feint hearted here.

    K’phobe you ok?

  16. Kroenkephobe

    Hi Tony
    Yes mate, all fine here, thanks. You?

    Our trip to Deepdale on Saturday was brilliant. My son and his mates were in 7th heaven. The medium wave radio was shite on the way home so we couldn’t even listen to what was going on in nearby Liverpool and we lost so I’ve not bothered with the so-called highlights. I’ve also shyed away from watching the ‘contretemps’ between Arteta and Klopp. I have an image of it in my mind’s eye based on what I’ve read from various people on here and I’m keeping a distance from it to preserve my sanity. My first thought went back to GG and that night in 89. Just how much class, grit and determination he displayed in keeping everyone together and gracious in victory. Now we have this cat fighting – it’s neither hard, clever nor worthy of two big clubs. Two fake wankers acting like kids and desperate to curry favour with their own tribe. It’s all nuanced but we bent the rules to beat Watford a fortnight ago so there’s a lot of people with double standards. I’m not saying PV is our answer but he’d have shown a lot more class.

    This narrative about Newcastle being ‘really crucial’ is also bullshit. Since when has a game against the barcodes ever been important? Our fellow fans setting each other up to expect the worst.

  17. Mulerise14

    Just read the post…..wow Pedro, that was savage….I hope this young team has not lost goodwill on this showing…
    All things considered, being a 4-0 bashing and all,I still feel good about it,in that we stayed in the game and if not for that second goal,it could have been a different story….is Dijk faster than Auba now? there was a moment he was put through by someone,ESR I think,and Dijk managed to nick the ball off him.
    The game just highlighted for us,the need of a Rose-Royce of a striker and an experienced CM,I don’t want us to have to need Xhaka and his mono-specificity again….a CM of Partey,new CM, Lokonga and AMN should hold good for us,while Azeez and Patino wait in the wings.
    It would be a great disservice to this young team if Edu and co sit on their hands in the upcoming Winter and summer transfers…..
    I hope Tets doesn’t go overboard with changing the dynamics of this team on the back of the result.i still believe the hybrid 442 is still the best going forward, though in retrospect Partey lacked match fitness and shouldn’t have started,… and Tavares oh Tavares, I hope Tets handle him well….. that we were disappointed by that result, that this group made us to even dare hope against Liverpool at Anfield says much about where we are as a club.

  18. Kroenkephobe

    Sid
    Is there any truth to the rumour that you deploy the Victorian method to, erm, exercise your long stuff?

    That is,
    In – out. Repeat if necessary.

    Welcome back big ogga.

  19. Tony

    Good to hear all’s well with you and family, K’phobe.

    Agree with you it’s not rocket science that you don’t upset the natives in a heated cauldron charged football ground. Not much difference to walking in St Peters Square and calling the pope a cnut repeatedly on a mega phone just before an audience.

    I pretty much covered the game in my post this morning. We were never really at the races.

    It’s going to be one of those seasons you say someone should write a book about it so i’m going to settle happily and wait for the Amazon vid. Maybe that’s why Josh is channeling his inner Aqua man beard.

    An old expat here and retired botanist popped round Saturday with his latest 4 GE types seeds and proud parent pictures of the plants in full bloom.Was a very interesting visit much of which I can’t remember now, but it’ll come back to me.

  20. Kroenkephobe

    Tony
    Nice one mate. I’m fond of a bit of botany/horticulture myself. What musical choices did you entertain him with? I trust some of it was of Jamaican origin, the treble whacked way down and the bass riddim up to 11.🇯🇲

  21. Terraloon

    Will there really be £70 m available in the January window ? I doubt it .

    Of course there are major holes in the squad but historically clubs just don’t spend big for a variety of reasons but the bottom line is that you don’t get value in January

    I have read and re read comments about the age of the squad and of course that can’t be denied but what is strange is the not that it might not work out but the expectation it will work out and because of that far too much allowance is being made.

    We can choose whatever set or period of stats we like, we can ignore this game or that game but just like in a game resulting in a loss when some seek solace in the possession stats the reality is the only thing that matters is the current league table and at seasons end when the prizes are awarded.

    So for me it’s the here and now not post Christmas 2020 or some such similar arbitrary timeline.

    Can you all remember the best team since Christmas or the last 7 games of last season ? What a load of guff!

    Newcastle are woeful , they shouldn’t present any sort of challenge but even they have scored more this season than Arsenal. They are bottom for a reason but their players are no where near PL survival standard but they probably will benefit from the classic new manager bump so will be dangerous if, and a big if they score first which they well have the capability of doing then it will be really interesting to see how certain players re act.

    But the truth is if Arsenal score then I can’t even believe there will be any result.

    Having said all that Howe will no doubt be imposing his philosophy and that will invoke Wilson and ST Maxi-min who are decent players

  22. Pierre

    90% of our problems v liverpool stemmed from playing out from the back ..17 turnovers is confirmation of that..

    There are 2 very good pressing sides , Liverpool and Man city , maybe it is time to rethink the strategy when playing these 2 sides as they appear to know exactly what we are going to do.

    I have no problem with Arteta instructing the team to play out from the back against all the other teams in he league but against Liverpool and City when we play them at home later in the seaon , we must find a different way of advancing up the field..

    I was disappointed with Ramsdale’s distribution, i believed that his range of passing would make a difference, it didn’t…there was too much short passing in and around our own penalty box and it was inevitable that we would be punished as liverpool suffocated us in midfield…

    Surely the coaching staff can come up with a better or different plan against city and liverpool , of course it isn’t easy as they condense the play so well, but there must be a way of creating space when Ramsdale is on the ball , like say Lacazette and Aubamayang coming short, dragging the 2 Centre backs into midfield which would create space behind the centre backs and have someone with pace like AMN looking to make a late run from midfield into that space that the centre backs vacated.

    If the 2 centre backs don’t leave their position then Aubamayang and/or Lacazette would be free to receive the ball and get us advancing up the pitch.

    The least something like this will do is make the opposition midfield have to drop a player or 2 deeper which will then allow us to play out from the back without being outnumbered.

    I was disappointed we didn’t mix it up a bit, to me it was obvious that Liverpool had been told to press with more intensity at the start of the 2nd half when we played out from the back..
    This is the time we should bypass our defenders amd midfield to give our defenders some breathing space as ultimately it is the continuous pressure that will tell in the end..

    That ten/fifteen minute spell starting just before their 2nd goal was the time to take the sting out of the game, we were giving the ball away with regularity in and around our own area and the 2nd goal was a consequence of that as liverpool’s tails were up …

    Tavares did make the mistake but it could have been anyone of our back 4 or 2 central mids as they were all culpable when it came to making poor decisions and i include Ramsdale in that as he should have just cleared the ball upfield to ease the constant pressure.

    Nothing will change against city and liverpool if we continue to play the same way….

  23. Pierre

    Mulerise
    ” and Tavares oh Tavares, I hope Tets handle him well”

    Actually Tavares was coping well with Salah until he made that pass, so i wouldn’t be too worried about him.

    The team lost it’s shape and discipline after the 2nd goal, the 2nd goal was a result of the intense pressure put on us by liverpool..
    We needed to take the sting out of the game before THAT pass to jota.

  24. Matt

    I was on a golf weekend so watched the game in the bar and probably didn’t watch it as closely as I would at home. However I am struggling to see how there are positives that can be taken from that game. If you really want to stretch then you could say that Ramsdale yet again made some great saves, but we still lost 4-0 even with those saves.

    Results have been good lately and performances have been better, but Liverpool was a demolition and shows we have miles to go to get anywhere near them. Is Arteta the man to get us there, I have my doubts.

    One more question, Odegaard, what is the point??

  25. Thank you and goodnight

    Matt

    Great point on Odegaard, really doesn’t offer much does he. Watched him last week playing for Norway and he was anonymous. But then again it’s not like we spent mega money and I suppose he’ll make a good squad addition. Partey worries me more. Labelled a monster in the middle of the park, he was supposed to be the player that kicked us on…….in fairness he’s been average at best

  26. Matt

    TYAG

    I said it after last season, and obviously I wasn’t alone that I had not seen anything from Odegaard that warranted signing him permanently. The people who thought it was a good signing seemed to think that he has a higher ceiling. I’m not sure what the was based on but I think what we saw last season was his ceiling – there is no more to come. The only good thing is that he is not keeping ESR out of the team currently.

    Also agree on Partey. Far too much time injured and when he does play I don’t see him bossing games. I think Pedro really wants him to be that player, but I just don’t see it.

  27. Tony

    If was wondering if Gabs ‘lost it like Arteta’ at Klopp going all nuclear leaping into the air, I wonder if that would have been a non-negotiable broken followed by Saliba treatment from Arteta?

    Asking for a friend

  28. Tony

    Matt TYAGN

    It’s a mystery that a player showing so much promise as to be bought by RM to now being a shadow of himself.

    Complete head scratcher that one?

  29. Shaun

    “That spat Arteta started with Klopp was a total brain fart, he got all of Anfield in a tizzy which fired up the players and the 12th man effect took place, thus the 4:0 defeat. He is so clueless that he couldn’t figure that out, attacking the beloved Klopp on home grounds is like stirring up a hornets nest. But expected from a Rookie manager to make a Rookie mistake.” yep md-gunner Lego head got played and fell right into klopp’s hands and the rest is history .up until that point we were in the game and causing problems and we could have taken the lead so klopp changed things as all of a sudden liverpool players had 20 %extra energy and began to press like demons. Nunno was the wrong call as he had a stinker and I hold my hands up there as I wanted him in.Lokonga and Auba were not far behind , both with very poor displays and I thought Pepe should have been on for ESR after 60

  30. China1

    Tony besides some flurries of posts I’ve been on a bit less recently as I’m too busy with work these days in the mornings and don’t get as many chances to check the old mobile telephone

  31. China1

    Ode is a good player but he needs a rocket up his ass

    Every time I send him on I’d tell him just before he steps on the pitch that I’ve got his whole family hostage and they’ll be forced to watch reruns of the arsenal Chelsea EL final if he doesn’t get involved enough

    He’d be throwing himself into the thick of it then, trust me