MUST WIN?

by .

Well, here we are, looking over a wrecked start to the season trying to work out if what we’re seeing is a disaster predicated on a severe mitigating circumstance or a mitigating circumstance that has given cover to a disaster already unfolding.

There are a few worries that I have post-Chelsea game and actually, one of them comes from reading Mike McDonald’s yesterday.

‘I saw Arteta refuse to address a simple tactical issue on Chelsea’s right and I saw what I fear will be his downfall, a lack of humility. None of this has anything to do with unfortunate circumstances.’

Mike put this down to stubbornness, which would be kind in my opinion. I had a different take. I think Arteta is far more similar to Jose Mourinho than any other manager out there. He’s very transactional by nature (bye bye Willian), he seems to be a bit of an egotist (falls out with everyone), and if he doesn’t get what he wants… he throws his toys out the pram (Brentford presser).

He’s also very, very intelligent. There’s absolutely no way he didn’t see Arsenal getting hammered down the left. It was so obvious, it almost looked like he let it happen to us to prove a point. That is a Jose tactic from back in the day, if he didn’t get his signings, he’d do something self-destructive to make a point, then he’d get his shopping list addressed.

It’s moves like that that kill me. That’s not ability, it’s immaturity. Same sort of carry-on before the Brentford game. That game was lost in the press conference and the behaviour that preceded it. That’s not ability, that’s maturity.

You can do things like that if you are delivering. Big coaches behave badly all the time. Pochettino had a massive sulk about the coach/manager position, refusing to wear a suit, but he had earned his stripes. This Arteta nonsense doesn’t hold weight with the fans, who let’s be honest, are at best neutral to him… and it shouldn’t hold weight with the club.

Having an obsession with being right is a bad trait. We let Arteta hire yes men around him. Children or people grateful for his gift of a job at a massive club. When you surround yourself with meh, you have to be so unbelievably good at your job, because when things go to shit, no one will tell you that you’re not wearing clothes.

William Saliba is doing a great job in Marseille at the moment. He has his own set of Ultras that own one of the most potent propaganda networks in world football. They are persuasive. It is getting desperately hard to not look at that loan and think it was all about Arteta. Do I think Saliba is controlling Lukaku at the weekend? No. But do I think he’d have grown from the experience and offered us more from the dismal Pablo Mari? Likely. Again, Saliba getting 3000 minutes this season will be major… but I can only accept those minutes going abroad if our back-up defenders don’t cost us points like they have in the last two games. A 28-year-old defender with beautiful hair getting rolled in our box was embarrassing, and that rankles fans, especially the Ultras. We had Pablo on loan, we watched him in training every day, we made that loan perm… and he’s not that good.

Arteta shouldn’t have leverage at the club, but he does, because we have weak leadership and a knee capped Technical Director. The calculation is quite simple from Arteta… are you really going to sack someone you just gave £130m? If you do, what are you going to bring to the club? The best Spurs could do was Nuno. The best Everton could do was Rafa. Who do you think we’re getting midseason? Antonio Conte… a chequebook manager, a demanding winner, a total lunatic, bad with kids? No chance. He’s not matched to our new vision. Graham Potter? Brighton paid £2m to release him, do you think their poker playing owner hasn’t thought about his release clause? We’d be hiring the type of nobody that rocks up on a boat with Raul, Edu and Kia in Monaco. I think that factors into how Arteta behaves.

The way I see it, the manager has 10 games to save his career, and I suspect he probably will.

  • NCFC (h)
  • Burnley (a)
  • Spurs (h)
  • Brighton (a)
  • CPFC (h)
  • AVFC (H)
  • LCFC (a)
  • Watford (h)
  • LFC (a)
  • NUFC (h)

We need to be extracting 23 points from that lot. Liverpool is probably a write-off, but at least we should have full complement of players to choose from. Spurs has to be a win. Leicester has to be a win. I cannot have Patrick Vieira bossing us with his new Palace side.

Things I’ll be looking for:

  • This is Arteta’s squad now, so where is the better football?
  • Can he make his players press intelligently for more than 6 minutes?
  • Can he get on a run like post-Xmas

The key to any success for me is getting Auba back to his best. That’s why I was shocked to read yet more ‘Auba could go’ stories doing the rounds yesterday. It’s Arteta again. The player isn’t working out, so instead of making things better, he just wants to discard last summer’s toy. He’s like Donald Trump. Everything is zero sum. Who is holding him accountable? Which coach is the counterpoint to this?

His job is to get us back to 2 seasons ago Auba. A man who loved his football, who scored goals for fun, and lifted the fans. You can’t just bin him because you don’t fancy him.

Willian is about to exit. For me, it’s quite refreshing to have a player in the side on a big contract who actually wants to play football and actually reacts badly to being disliked by the fans. We’ll be exiting him, but no doubt picking up a huge chunk of his two-year deal, especially if he goes to Brazil. Who is being held accountable for this? No doubt Raul and Edu were pushing the player… but let’s not pretend Arteta wasn’t championing this guy and his special qualities.

There are also other exits lined up. Kola will leave to Turkey, Eddie will get his move to Palace, and Torreira is going to Italy.

We await a new on the right back… but dear lord, don’t let that player be a 31-year-old that’s been bombed off by an elite side. Do we ever learn?

We play West Brom a little later. We’ll have the chance to see Martin Odegaard and Aaron Ramsdale make their official debuts. We’ll probably see Tavares and some of the players that are around the periphery. It’s a must-win game whoever he puts out there. Sadly, I’m not looking forward to it… when your biggest backer is getting bored, you know you are in trouble.

Let’s see what he has, because the time for excuses is well and truly over.

ACAST | SPOTIFY | iHEART | ANDROID

 

457 Comments
Inline Feedbacks
View all comments
Tony

Bob I understand how you feel. As you know I’m a real live wire even with my new meds, so being proactive came naturally to me: I always wanted to know more and predict outcomes. I used to do it a lot being an only kid: my predicting came a way of life for me. Don’t get me wrong I’m no psychic, I just always want to be ahead of the game. That’s why when Arteta sold Emi and I explored all that could happen with losing Emi, I was sure then that it was just a matter of time… Read more »

Tony

Mark
“It’s gutting to know I’m 43 now and I might be 50 by the time all this shit sorts itself out if it ever does”

Spare a thought for us in out 60s and 70s, at least you have a much better chance of seeing our lads win a title again and witness our first win of the CL. In 7 years I’ll be 71, ES & Bertie See will probably be in his early 80s. Many of us older fans live in hope of winning something more than a FA cup.

Gonsterous

During rauls reign, I don’t think we can blame anyone other than raul for arsenals decline. He never had the clubs best interest at heart. Only made sure to fill his own pockets along with his friends pockets.

Sold who he could for a profit and the pepe deal was really shady.

Coming back to the present. Arteta needs to get a CM or else his days are numbered. A midfield of partey (injury prone), xhaka and lokonga, is pretty dire and a recipe for ending up a mid table club.

Tony

Receding Hairline I normally find myself agreeing with most of your posts, but the grouping around Arteta’s car actually did us a favour, as I read something last night that Stan was shocked by the attitude of the fans telling Arteta they don’t want him. Stan was of the opinion that the fans still loved Arteta. That’s how far Stan is detached from the club. Sounds like Josh has told Tim no need to tell dad what’s going on Josh will do it. So what BS has Josh been relaying on from Arteta in his shell like. As Bob said… Read more »

Tony

Gons
How many points do think we’ll get from our next 8 games and will we beat WBA tonight?

I think WBA will be tough so we need youth and experience to get through. Right now I’d sat we’ll win by a fine margin.

As for the first 10 games in the league I’d say between 10 and 15 points.

Your thoughts?

Tony

Guns and China1 How many points do you think we’ll amass in our first 10 PL games?

Sly

I’m going for 10 max Tony

Sly

Guns I’m in the east coast USA
Staying up late for night crew specials 🤣

Gonsterous

Tony

I think we’ll see a full strength side against wba with auba coming back in. We may win, especially if we start with the same tempo that we had against the chelsea in the first 10 mins

Next 10 games, not optimistic at all, the league is too competitive. We will win against Norwich so that’s a guaranteed 3 points. Other than that, we may pick up another 3-5 points. So about 8 points from the next 10 games which is relegation form.

Gonsterous

Of course that may change if we get in a decent CM

China1

Pedro the problem with you saying Saliba maybe should’ve stayed now is that by the time this loan expires this opportunity will likely have already shut. He will have only negative associations of his time at arsenal and this summer was probably the last chance for him to have a change of heart if he felt some genuine love from the club. That never happened because artetas got a huge issue with him, so he wanted out. When he comes back next summer he will be 3 years into a 5 years contract without even a hint of positive time… Read more »

China1

Tony I agree with Sly. 10 if arteta is there for all of them. How about you

Guns of SF

We got some east coasters on here
midwest
and west coasters..

Tony

Another Cm will help. But I was saying Pedro is massaging stats again. A manager mostly gets 10 games to prove he’s doing well. Pedro wants 10 games from Norwich similar to the games post Xmas last season. I say we judge Arteta for his first 10 games cups an all. So tonight will be his 3rd game in my book, but if you wanted to keep it to the league, you have to count Brentford, Chavs and City games as past of the judgement. Sly I’m hoping for more the 10 but I wouldn’t bet we’d accrue more points… Read more »

MD-Gunner

The English papers say that Arteta has until the Brighton game on Oct 2nd. If he has nor improved the points total significant he will be gone.
Only see us getting points from Burnley & Norwich really lucky if it i a tie in the NLD.

Tony

China1 yes My post above gives the break down, but 10 is how I see it.

Just looking at KO times until 20/11 away to the Bin dippers and the worst KO time for me here is 10:30pm.

Only 3 games before Chavs away 12/2/22. Manure away 27/11, West Ham home 15/12 & wolves 20/02/22

Never feels the same watching a recording even not knowing the score.

This season is much better for us to watch the games and generally good in the CL league for PL games not CL obviously.

MD-Gunner

Oh it is getting better I can see finally light at the end of the tunnel.
https://metro.co.uk/2021/08/25/arsenal-line-up-three-replacements-for-edu-as-pressure-mounts-15147707/

Tony

MD-Gunner
Read yesterday Arteta has got until beginning Dec to keep his job.

Either way I don’t see Arteta bringing the stability Stan wants. I think if we have 10 points after the Dippier’s game, that will be enough when you look at the past 20 months.

Tony

MD I like Overmars. A very tough character and right for us.

One way of dealing with Arteta without Stan or Josh having to pull the trigger.

Would Overmars bring Ten Hag?I hope so. Would be really good to see what they can do together.

I guess Pedro will be sour grapes for a while.

Tony

ES you never know when to stop digging.

Fun to read, though, so please don’t stop.

MD-Gunner

Ladbrokes have slashed the relegation odds for Arsenal from 50/1 to 25/1 a whopping 9.2%

Sly

A lot will depend on whether partey can stay fit
If we have partey/xhaka/Lokonga we have a chance for more points
Partey’s not back till sometime in September
I have concerns on how we use him
I don’t see him as a b2b midfielder and I think he’ll be re injured
We have a squad that can get to 5-8 th if managed reasonably well imo but that’s a big if

MD-Gunner

By Googeling “Mikel Arteta has 5 games to save his job” you get various results but they all quote the telegraph article.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2021/08/23/mikel-arteta-has-five-games-turn-arsenal-around-face-fight-job/

The Telegraph have reported that the Arsenal boss will be given until October to prove his capabilities within the job.

According to the Daily Telegraph, the Arsenal boss has until the second international break in October to save his job.

MD-Gunner

Arteta “to prove his capabilities” :lol”
We all know how that will end up. So hopefully by end of October it is Bye Bye to Dumb and Dumber.

bacaryisgod

Pedro Overall, it seems you are slowly awakening to the unfolding disaster that is Arteta and Edu’s regime. All that is a relief. Very strange take on Arteta willing sabotaging a game in order to make a point to ownership and/or Vinai. If true, the next logical step you have to take is call for his immediate sacking as what you’re theorizing is far more serious than what most of us are seeing as a combination of incompetence and arrogance. You also talk about his immaturity. Welcome to the party on that one. Welcome to the Saliba support group too… Read more »

bacaryisgod

As I’ve mentioned before, the last manager that kept droning on about ‘the project’ was André Villas-Boas. He’s a much better comparison for Arteta than Mourinho because both he and Arteta were able to parlay their close association with highly successful managers (Jose and Pep respectively) into major jobs.

At least AVB had built up credibility at Porto winning the Europa League before landing his first major Premier League offer from Chelsea.

Tony

I expect he’ll be looking for players best suited to his needs than the club’s long term plans: impact players to score goals now. Next 6 TW days will be interesting with Arteta in survival mode. I doubt he can trust Auba and Laca. Xhaka will be glad he got his retirement plan covered before exiling to the MLS league. Guess we’ll see if Arteta’s got the dressing room. City Away Loss I doubt many would disagree with this. City need points and goals with Chavs and Dippers looking good. Pep won’t use a handbrake to support his broken protege.… Read more »

Habesha Gooner

I have a lot of issues with this piece. Must win? should be Must win!!! Other wise he goes. “He’s also very, very intelligent. There’s absolutely no way he didn’t see Arsenal getting hammered down the left. It was so obvious, it almost looked like he let it happen to us to prove a point.” Nah. I don’t think he is intelligent. And even if he did it to sulk, he wouldn’t let us get hammered down the left. Especially in a side where we have Saka, Tierney and Xhaka. Our superstar in the making, Our future captain he always… Read more »

Tony

Habesha Pedro wants games from and including Norwich. Basically he wants to rule out the first 3 losses assuming we lose to City.

The way I see it, the manager has 10 games to save his career, and I suspect he probably will.

NCFC (h)
Burnley (a)
Spurs (h)
Brighton (a)
CPFC (h)
AVFC (H)
LCFC (a)
Watford (h)
LFC (a)
NUFC (h)

Sid

Majority of the above game will be boring draws

You can take this to the bank!

Guns of SF

Habesha Glad you coming to see the light! Always liked your posts but the one about Ramsdale, Pedro got you on… glad you did make mention it was too much money. MIke is not that smart. We all know this. Even KSE is probably figuring this out as well after talking with Garlick etc. Mike is not the one. Now, if someone had the huevos to tell KSE, hire Conte or Zidane, give em 300M and sit back, and watch the club get rebuilt in 1 to 2 years that would be like gold falling from the sky for us… Read more »

Sid

This time it not the chrismas table, its
‘the 10 games table’

Guns of SF

No more experimenting with has beens, EL winners, rookies for coaches etc. Hire a BIG name. Spend the money and see the results. If we get top 4 great! Keep going! We take these weird risks that never really pay off. Its like we are trying to find the next Wenger or something Never will happen I say get a big name because they will make KSE spend the money they just sit on all the time. A no name coach, will not get that. A has been coach, not really either Go for the best, and pay them and… Read more »

Tony

What’s the stance on buying a RB and ST now?

Only sanctioned buys by Josh or Stan?

Guns of SF

Would not surprise me if Josh came in with some names Tony

Guns of SF

IF I were him, I would get my own advisors to help pick some new players. Namely, the posters on LG….

I would have Josh read this blog daily.
his head would spin around a few times per day LOL

Graham62

“He’s also very very intelligent”.

So was Einstein but it didn’t necessarily make him a great manager of people or have the natural abilities to motivate and listen to others.

Footballing intelligence is what is needed here and amazingly we’ve unearthed someone who is devoid of many of these abilities.

Samesong

We will win against Norwich so that’s a guaranteed 3 points.

There is no guaranteed 3 points in this league Gon. Just because City tanked them. Doesn’t mean we will.

In fact Norwich will probably look forwarding to playing us when the time comes.

Habesha Gooner

Tony It is like pedro isn’t willing to admit Arteta has been poor. He hammered Emery for half as much crappy performances and results. I will say this though Emery had a better stint for us than Arteta so far. And I suspect if he had players like ESR, Odegaard, Partey and Lokonga, Top 6 wouldn’t have been an issue. His football became crap because he had no creative players. Iwobi and Miki along with Ramsey left and he was left with his dick in his hands. Guns I still haven’t changed my mind on the players he has brought… Read more »

Moray

“ William Saliba is doing a great job in Marseille at the moment. He has his own set of Ultras that own one of the most potent propaganda networks in world football. They are persuasive. It is getting desperately hard to not look at that loan and think it was all about Arteta. Do I think Saliba is controlling Lukaku at the weekend? No. But do I think he’d have grown from the experience and offered us more from the dismal Pablo Mari? Likely. Again, Saliba getting 3000 minutes this season will be major… but I can only accept those… Read more »

Guns of SF

A scout? I dont think so, if he was any good, he would have kept Saliba, and gone for a multitude of attacking mids instead of Ode, who already failed to impress me. Arteta is good at making individuals better. Ala Sterling or Sane. A good assistant. An order taker. Someone with specifics that he needs to work on daily that dont require too much thinking He is not smart. Not tactical and nowhere a genius football mind, like Ten Hag, Rangnick, Tuchel, Zidane and many others. The fella is way over his head…. and he knows it. Would not… Read more »

Moray

So we’re leaving the selection of the new set up to wiggy Stan? I’m not sure if that’s a better or worse outcome than Josh choosing. I would guess he will go for experience and some grey hair (if his love in with post peak Wenger is any guide), while Josh is obviously a sucker for young and fit sweethearts like Tetsy.

I believe Avram Grant is available/still alive…

TeeCee

‘Trust the process/project’ is Arteta’s version of Wenger’s ‘Judge me in May’.

We did, and you were shit, as is Arteta.

Guns of SF

Tony

I can get with Overmars and Rangnick.

My worry is that they also would not be strong enough to ask KSE for $$$ and what they need.

With Wenger and Emery- both were not given massive war chests at all. Mike OTOH has got the money and just blew it on the wrong players.

For 110M we could have had an Olmo, De Paul and Aouar
That midfield would rip a new arsehole in the premier league.

But nope…

Moray

One thing I’ll give Arteta, he could be on fire and still have that confident, assured look on his face.

I would rank his self awareness and EQ in the negative.

Moray

Guns, I rally don’t think we need a kings ransom.l every window, particularly if we can get our wage bill under control.

The goal would be doubling down on our youth team and bringing in players like Olmo before their price becomes prohibitive. And not making stupid amateur mistakes all the time.

Chris

The Overmars links are encouraging.

Unlike Edu, he has a proven track record as a technical director and will perhaps provide an ability to snare the best Young Dutch talent before anyone else.

October international break sounds about right for Arteta’s ‘judgement day’. Arsenal took too long to fire Emery, it will likely be the same with Arteta who should have been dismissed after the insipid exit to Villarreal.

Guns of SF

KSE would hire in Overmars and Rangnick, thinking these are brilliant minds- thus no need to ask for more $$. They dont need the $$$, they can pull gems etc. While that might be true in some instances, all big clubs need more $$ I think what we truly need is a clone of that Marina person at Chelsea. She is a true ball buster, and has made Chelsea a juggernaut…in the transfer windows… Just a few folks with that winning take no prisoners attitude is what makes a huge difference. Chelsea dont sleep or wait. Highly proactive and always… Read more »

Tony

The players’ conundrum is the biggest part of Arteta’s trial by 5 games. Can Arteta get them working for him? Saka really looked uncomfortable against the Chavs. He looks like he needs a rest, but could, be back with the England squad for 2 weeks.If he is, he’ll need to recover. I doubt the youth players will be falling for any pandering Arteta offers. They will probably be looking forward to Conte or whoever comes with experience. What will Xhaka do? Get sent off so he misses 2 games? He’s seen off 3 managers already, would making Arteta 4 be… Read more »

Tony

A good piece by the DM about Charlie Watts for those too young to really remember him.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-9923563/Charlie-Watts-rock-held-Rolling-Stones-writes-CHRISTOPHER-STEVENS.html

Valentin

Tony, I agree with your points. To me when people says Arteta is intelligent, they are confusing somebody who bears well, who speaks eloquently with intelligence. He is well educated and well groomed and that is ever more visible in the world of ex footballer. No big visible tattoo and gruff appearance, so that polished external appearance led people to assume that he is an intelligent and sympathetic guy. The reality is that he is neither. People like us of a certain age have seen people like Arteta who present well but are thick as a plank when you scratch… Read more »

Valentin

I don’t want Willian to have his contract terminated and paid off so he can go and play in Brazil.
I want either Willian to cancel his contract without payoff or at least a very limited one or I want him to stay and be a proper player under the next manager.

Arsenal can’t continue to play a king’s ransom to players to leave. They need to be smarter with their allocation of long term contract.

Spanishdave

What’s the point of giving him some more time? Has he not had enough already to show us his coaching skills?
The next five games other than Man City are winnable, so do you pick five easier games to prove his worth?
Ridiculous.
We have a mountain to limb to get out of this mess and that requires a massive change in how the club is run, Stan will not do it as he doesn’t know how.

Chris

I think we have little choice but to pick a strong team tonight against WBA. We need a win to boost confidence fused with ahead of a potentially horror fixture on Saturday against City. We don’t need to rest players as such as we have just started the season. We also need to progress in each domestic cup as far as possible. It still rankles with me that Arteta put out a weak line up against Southampton last season we we exited the FA Cup meekly, all in favour of the league fixture a few days later when in reality,… Read more »

Bob N16

Morning Tony, I would say that if the owners have a clear idea of a successor to Arteta he could go almost immediately. With one or two more disappointing (unacceptable) results, the build up of pressure on Arteta will be such that the players will start believing that he’s about to get chopped. When that happens, he’s gone. If Norwich at home goes badly, I think that will be that. We are likely to be able to put out, close to our best eleven by then so Arteta still has a slight chance to turn it around though. That being… Read more »

Chris

Yes no question that if Arteta goes, Edu should go too. It would require a clean sweep. They are after all, equals.

That dynamic would have to be addressed for a new coach and TD. The coach concentrates on the team and training ground matters, and the TD on recruiting, structure and such.

Kroenkephobe

A little bit of history for the young ‘uns. Terry Neill – another frankly substandard manager – although not quite as poor as the present incumbent – oversaw an early league cup knockout in late 1983 to another lower division team from the west midlands. Walsall. Yes, really. As far as I recall his tenure as Arsenal manager ended the next day. Just thought that would help set the scene for tonight. Let’s give him (another) tens games my arse. We were absolutely shit in preseason. This campaign will be even more precarious than the last if we wait til… Read more »

Kroenkephobe

We so seldom get good ‘results’ these days, I’ve forgotten how to spell it!

Spanishdave

Arteta is quoted in the papers ‘for Arsenal supporters to be patient’ What another three years!!
He is so up his arse, out of his depth and now clutching at straws.
Our owner is imbecilic

Davey

A mate of mine who works for Swissport at Stansted Airport got his picture taken with Torreira yesterday boarding a Ryanair flight times must be hard after spunking 129m!

Mr Serge

Wba will play a weakened side tonight they will concentrate on the league

Davey

Kroenkephobe
August 25, 2021 08:04:31

A little bit of history for the young ‘uns.

Terry Neill – another frankly substandard manager – although not quite as poor as the present incumbent – oversaw an early league cup knockout in late 1983 to another lower division team from the west midlands. Walsall. Yes, really. As far as I recall his tenure as Arsenal manager ended the next day.

I was there that night 1-2 Wallsall and they played us off the park.

Sid

EQ is more important on how people fare in life

Hoksilato

Valentin
We older heads have all seen/met similar guys: good presentation skills, talks well and all the buzzwords, coming from a relatively successful organization (…but always very tough to assess what role they actually played in that)
Current recruiting strategy should be called “Project give me time”
maybe Stan/Josh could fall for it…

Tony

Valentin I share your views above. I think Arteta has some form of paranoia. When you look at his eyes they always seem to reflect fear. The ice cool outward persona is the mask. Why the suits don’t employ psychologists to do regular evals on managers and coaches. I was unimpressed with Arteta as a player and captain. I was appalled he gave Gazidis the watch and not a charity chosen by the team. You know many say Karma is a bitch but some of us know it’s a mirror. Judging by Arteta’s hair he uses many. OCD groomed! Bob… Read more »

Muppetman

I’d say if Arteta goes and Edu then Vini has to go as well for over seeing the shit show

Terraloon

Hey I agree with most that Areteta is out of his depth but I just can’t see him getting the sack for at least another 8 league games. Now I am not saying he shouldn’t be sacked but everything I read, everything I hear leads me to believe that shocking as it is that the powers that be have near enough written the season off Hoping for the best expecting the worse! I think the outcomes and method that the Dortmund model delivers has turned heads and “if they can do it so can Arsenal “ probably is the outcome… Read more »

Jim+Furnell

Pedro – Best post I’ve read from you this season, if only his old boss would give him a call and explain then he might change, however I don’t see City wanting Arsenal to improve. Unfortunately MA doesn’t read Le Grove, and if he did, by default, he’d think ‘who is this arsehole telling me my business’. I believe much truth in what you say.

Graham62

WBA must be licking their lips.

There’s no point in predicting games these days because there’s so much negativity around.

Yes, of course I want us to win but if the worst happens and we get dumped out tonight, Arteta is finished in my eyes.

Jim+Furnell

And we’ve only had one disaster this season. If we’d spanked Brentford and lost to Chelsea the tide of opinion might be that we expected that and the ship wasn’t sinking.

Valentin

Hoksilato, I don’t know if you remember the Pierre-Yves Gerbeau French guy who was hired to rescue the London Millennium Dome. Basically the way he presented himself it looks like he had singlehandedly save Disneyland Paris. Big guy, former hockey player, enthusiastic, well educated everybody was initially taken by him. Until people started to have serious doubt about his competence. Then the reality emerged that at EuroDisney he was a junior guy in charge of the queueing system at the time. In short he had bullshitted his way until a CEO position. Not wanting to look like fools, the UK… Read more »

Bob N16

Alright Tony, thanks for asking. Having a much needed family holiday in the Algarve; the boy’s improving but recovery journey may be lengthy. I don’t really get the character assassination of Arteta. I just see an understandably troubled bloke who is in an incredibly high paid, high exposure job, seeing his work being exposed as unsatisfactory in the most public of ways. He wanted the job but it must be a nightmare, standing on the touch line watching his team struggle so badly. I would suggest anybody in that situation would struggle to look their best. I understand the vitriol… Read more »

Tony

“I understand the vitriol against Arteta but I’ m not joining in.” Not even a little bit Bob? Makes sense to leave the jackals to pick the bones with the told you sos et al. I react to the bad treatment of others in whatever form. Arteta treated people so badly their valuations took a nosedive and left them scrambling to get their careers back on track. For what crime? Petulance? Is Arteta the current Brian Kidd a really good assistant to Fergie but sucked in management. If I’m honest I feel more for Pedro’s pain than I do for… Read more »

Spanishdave

Arteta’s biggest problem is game management and tactics generally.
Good coaches run rings around him and yet he fails to analyse and learn from it. If he did we would see progress. His time and Man city was limited to what Pep would allow him to do he did not coach him to take over there, so his experience is lacking as can be seen.
We hoped he would learn quickly and we would see some kind of future, but he has failed.

Bob N16

Tony, Arteta made his decisions and he’ll ‘live or die’ by them. If they had worked out, we would be applauding them, as it is we want him gone.

Arteta has not intentionally sabotaged Arsenal’s progress. His ego may have got the better of him but most if not all managers have large egos. The question is how competent and capable they are and how good their decision making is.

Arteta’s competence or lack there of, is not something I take personally.

Graham62

My son just texted me to say Arteta will be sacked tonight if they lose.

God knows where he got that one from.

Graham62

Bob N16

Good morning Bob.

Don’t you think his decision making though has been rather astonishing?

Valentin

Graham62, Lots of noise on twitter that Conte may be on his way after the ManCity game. Could be people in basement hoping for that outcome or could be legitimate info! Who knows! Should be clearer in a couple of weeks anyway. I read as well that Stan and Josh were shocked by how much hate and despise there is for Arteta and Edu from the fans. Josh was shocked by the vitriol shouted at Edu in the stadium (Edu’s wife should learn not to respond as it will just inflame the situation even more, just request the stewarts to… Read more »

TR7

Those close to Antonio Conte insist he has little interest in taking over at Arsenal. He just doesn’t think he could compete with the team as it is. [@MiguelDelaney]

Even if we sack Arteta we will have a tough job at hand finding a new manager. I don’t think Zidane or Conte will be interested in the job.

Terraloon

TR7

They would go for Howe but and a big but I don’t think he , Areteta, will be sacked till at least Chr

Terraloon

Christmas

Tony

Well we certainly see things differently, Bob. No matter we have light at then end of the tunnel. Let’s hope the tunnel is short and the suits have the DoFs and managers shortlisted most often talked about here. Weagle had some interesting combinations who are free.earlier. I don’t mind as long as they have CVs full of experience and achievements. Amazon have it all in this one and Stan can come out of it nicely if he puts the right DoF and manager in place. One other little thing that’s been missing: Accountability throughout the club, no exceptions. Then we… Read more »

TR7

Terraloon

The club might be wary of giving the job to another young manager given how things have worsened under Arteta.

Bob N16

Graham, we are where we are and Arteta has to have made some bad decisions to get us here. Not sure about the hyperbolic ‘astonishing’ though.

Edu has to take responsibility too!

Sid

A glass of mouchao abafado while Camilla massages you will make you feel like a newborn

Champagne Charlie

Find the personal breakdowns of Arteta laughable. Says a great deal about those who feel well positioned to make such remarks out of spite.

No issue with looking at the results on the football pitch and drawing conclusions of readiness or competence, but it’s another entirely to read continual character assassinations as if you’re privy to first hand relationships, or one yourself.

Screams of a bunch of old men resenting a young guy in a prominent role. Unsurprisingly Tony and Val are heading that sort of judgement, both braggarts among strangers.

China1

On the one hand I relate to arteta I too have bullshitted my way through my career to date and I know how it feels to be charged with doing thing beyond your level and the resentment that comes from observers and peers who think you may not be worthy. I have a degree and masters in town planning. Due to my wife being unable to stay in England, I came here and took a job as an English teacher to kids. It was fun but it wasn’t ‘me’ as I’d wanted to be a town planner. A few years… Read more »

Dissenter

There’s talk that Lyon may be ready to let Aouar this summer on a loan with an option to buy

Surely we have ti take the plunge, given the state of our midfield.

Pierre

I do believe that Arteta’s decision to keep Xhaka and heap praise on him will be the decision that will cost him his job. Arteta will have no choice but to defend Xhaka when the fans eventually turn on him….and they will.. Arteta will have backed himself into a corner of which there will be no way out . In football you have your artists and you have your water carriers , Xhaka is the water carrier but his bucket has too many holes in it for him to be effective in his role.. The best thing that could happen… Read more »

DUIFG

Can we just take a minute to appreciate Tomas partey.

Sick of hearing fans in the ground merchants like tim stillman stick the boot in for wayward passes.

This guy is levels to what we have, proper midfielder. Only seeing the vast drop off in quality now when he isn’t there

TR7

I am interested to see how Ramsdale deals with aerial threat from WBA tonight. Tavares will get his first start. Want to see AMN given a chance as RB, think he is the best we have for that position.

Mr Serge

West brom have given 15000 free tickets away for tonight’s game they want it to be a cauldron in there

China1

Dissenter we don’t need Aouar, we have Xhaka. Didn’t you see the second half of last season? He was fantastic

Mr Serge

I think they will move Arteta and edu quicker than they normally would because of the Amazon doc they can’t look like amatuers like spurs did last year

Dissenter

Pierre
‘In football you have your artists and you have your water carriers , Xhaka is the water carrier but his bucket has too many holes in it for him to be effective in his role.’

Excellent point , as usual.
A water careeer shouldn’t also require so much servicing and drama that Arteta attracts
It’s the Artists tantttpucallyrequire special noturing and pruning.

I still struggle to understand why Xhaka’s exit was blocked twice by Arteta. He had a chance to start afresh.

Markymark

China1 interesting biog from you . To fulfill the story you really do need to end up managing out the fuckers who tried to fuck you lol
Think Arteta will get a lot of learns out of Arsenal but next manager in has to be capable of teaching us I feel

Valentin

China1, That’s the point I made a year ago. Anybody can make mistakes, but the frustrating thing is the not learning from your mistakes. My take on that is that it is either: + Because you are too stupid to learn from your mistake. There is not a lot that can be done when the issue stems from a lack of intelligence. + Because you don’t care. You know you have made mistakes, but you are not willing to do the hard graft of learning. Laziness or lack of care means that you repeat the same mistakes. + Because you… Read more »

Kroenkephobe

We’ve not won the league Cup since 93 (that fun season when we beat the owls twice). It’s fair to say that we’ve not really taken it seriously since, not least because the club perceived itself to be better than a low income, non-prestigious, non euro gateway cup. Times have changed and if like me you’ve never seen fourth as a trophy (sorry chihuahua head), I think there’s something to be said for thinking that this represents our best/only hope of winning something this term. If you’re glass half full, there are echoes of 87 when we were at a… Read more »

DigitalBob

The team selection and attitude of those selected for tonight’s game with West Brom will go a long way in determining how much pressure Arteta feels he’s under and what players are willing to give their all for the cause. I don’t think he’ll be sacked should we lose but the pressure will be immense. I’ll also echo what a few others have said, if Arteta goes so must Edu and possibly even Vinai. We need a clean sweep of the management team as its failing at all levels. For the game tonight I expect it will be a mixed… Read more »