ARTETA HOPEFUL ON SIGNINGS

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Preseason moved into game two yesterday against Rangers. Mikel Arteta went back to the club that gave him his first British experience, even though it was against the backdrop of the smallest crowd he’s probably ever played there.

The game was so, so.

The players looked fitter and sharper. We controlled the 90 much better. We also created a lot of chances. 19 attempts with 9 shots on target is far closer to what most of us were hoping for against teams in a weaker league.

The highlight was seeing Tavares score a great goal with his weaker foot. He has power, he moves at speed, and he clearly has all the raw ingredients to be a good player… he’s certainly plenty raw though.

The two areas for big improvement.

Obviously, we can’t keep conceding goals from set plays. We did a pretty decent job last season rectifying the issues of the season prior… we cannot slip back to corners feeling like penalties. Good job we have pinched the coach from City to help out.

The other area is in the final third. Auba missed some really easy chances, as did the rest of the team. Arteta had this to say.

‘Overall I’m really pleased with the performance. I think we dominated the game, we created so many chances – I counted about eight or 10 clear chances to score – but this game is decided in both boxes. We weren’t clinical in the opponent’s box’

Goals will come, I’ve no doubt. The key point I’m excited about is that we’re finding ways to move the ball into the final third. Last season, we could barely create.

We still have plenty of good players coming back, transfers will kick up a gear over the next two weeks, and we’ll start to see more sharpness with the play.

Arteta trains a cognitive style of football. He teaches patterns of play that take time to bed into players. He picked Arsenal up from a very low point, his ideas will hopefully start to impact the style of football this season and we’ll not only see a lift in quality, we’ll see a lift in how exciting the football is.

Ben White joining Arsenal is one part of solving the lack of speed we moved the ball through the lines. If you complained about our football being slow last season and can’t see how a ball-playing centre back helps move us on in that department, I can’t help you.

We really need to address the partner for Thomas Partey in the midfield. That will again help speed up the football and make us more unpredictable and give us more options.

The key move we’re all waiting for is who the attacking midfielder is because without that, we’re going to have another frustrating year. I don’t care if it’s Maddison or Aouar, we need someone to help us bind it all together. Resting a season on the shoulders of ESR and Saka is not the path to top 4.

Also worth noting that we haven’t had a viable right back for 2 seasons. Even yesterday, it was absolutely clear that there needs to be a big upgrade on Bellerin and Soares. We’ve spent the last 18 months building from the left. Imagine Pepe having a right-back that could offer him Tierney levels of service? Would be incredible.

There’s not a lot bubbling in the ether today… but Arteta said he was looking forward to some new players joining the party next week.

‘We’re going to have some new faces arriving probably, so very positive.’

Let’s see how we’re looking this time next Sunday.

See you in the comments.

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  1. WengerEagle

    Interesting XI TR7.

    I’m with China though, not a fan of 3 at the back with wing backs.

    Think that Saka would be inhibited in that formation too and it would clip his wings a bit going forward if he has to track back to cover White on the outside.

    Also a massive difference between a LB and a LWB, Tierney has a brilliant delivery on him but his all-round game is very much tailored towards being equally defensive and offensive rather than the latter like a Marcelo or a Hakimi.

  2. andy1886

    ES, we’ve been over this so many times.

    1. Arsenal ARE a cheque book club. We are not developing our existing players as we did under Wenger or finding the cheap rough diamonds that we did under both AW and GG. We are trying to improve our lot by buying expensive players. If Chelsea are a cheque book club then so are Arsenal who have a higher net spend over the last five years (what they did ten or fifteen years back is as irrelevant to now as what Arsenal did in the 30’s is).

    2. Of course it matters HOW we spend it, to suggest otherwise is just daft. You don’t spend all your funds on marginal gains while ignoring gaping holes in the first XI.

    3. Actually it is our money. Arsenal’s income is a direct result of fans buying tickets, merchandise and TV subscriptions. Sponsors pay huge sums to appeal to Arsenal supporters. Without fans Kroenke’s investment is worth jack.

    Essentially you are saying that Kroenke owns the club so the rest of us can either like it or do one. Sorry, but that’s not going to wash.

  3. Terraloon

    Andy

    You got there before I had a chance to reply.

    ES has lost perspective and some of his comments for me are becoming naive.

    Didn’t you find it odd when he was inferring that Maguuire and Sancho were a waste of money didn’t even mention Pepe?

    But the biggest thing for me is the suggestion that KSE are investing because from everything I read it’s almost certain that it’s Arsenal FC that are borrowing the money as opposed to KSE putting their hands in their pockets

  4. WengerEagle

    Leeds have impeccable taste, they wanted Rodrigo de Paul last summer and ended up going with the also brilliant Raphina as a back up option.

    Now they are after Mattheus Cunha according to Romano. A player that I had hoped we would be in for.

  5. WengerEagle

    Andy

    Yeah wouldn’t be a fan of it just like I don’t want to see Tierney wasted as a LCB in a back 3 even though he is well capable of playing there.

  6. Pierre

    Terraloon
    “Luiz was , love him or hate him, a leader and his influence both on the pitch and off it shouldn’t be underestimated.”

    He led us to a couple of 8th place finishes….maybe his leadership qualities are over estimated..

    I always believe that a leader leads by example, I’m not sure that is the case with Luiz..

  7. andy1886

    T’loon, absolutely, the idea that KSE are acting as some kind of benevolent benefactor is ridiculous. They are loading the club with debt. No doubt ES would say “so what, it’s their club and their asset” but the point is that a club loaded with debt will be handicapped in future investments by debt repayments and staged payments on players bought previously.

    I’d add that giving large sums to inexperienced management is also a recipie for disaster and if they get it wrong (what are the odds?) then we’ll be screwed as will the next manager whoever that may be. But according to ES we’re supposed to just sit back and let KSE balls it up without a word of protest.

  8. Emiratesstroller

    Andy 1886

    Rubbish Arsenal are not a cheque book club.

    I suggest that you compare our expenditure with Man City, Man Utd and Chelsea.

    We have an annual sponsorship from Adidas, Emirates and Rwanda Tourism which should easily cover a large percentage of our transfer budget. It should not be used to cover
    current account expenditure.

    The real problem is that the club has not used the money well and our historic transfer dealing is piss poor.

    In last three years we have spent over £100 million on centre backs. Personally I have no
    problem with Gabriel, because I think that he will be an excellent buy once we find a decent
    partner for him which hopefully White will become.

    Saliba was in my view a luxury and a mistake. He cost £27 million as a speculative buy. I
    conclude that he is currently no better than a bench player at best if he had stayed at Arsenal.

    Holding and Mari are both low budget players and adequate cover if needed.

  9. Vintage Gun

    “Now they are after Mattheus Cunha according to Romano. A player that I had hoped we would be in for.”

    Very good young player. Leeds do seem to have a bright eye for talent. The first i heard of Ben White was when Leeds had a £30m bid rejected for him last summer. I was also shocked at the audacity of them trying to snap up RDP last summer also. Fair play to them.

  10. andy1886

    Pierre, funny how our two so-called ‘leaders’ were also the ‘cock-up twins’ (Xhaka & Luiz). Maybe eighth shouldn’t be surprising and perhaps we should ask why MA tried so hard to convince both to stay.

  11. Pierre

    Maybe Arsenal should employ Weagle to help with player recruitment from across Europe, as his knowledge of up and coming players is 2nd to none.

    He’s certainly more knowledgeable than Edu that’s for sure.

    Not saying Weagle always gets it right but he must watch a lot of football across Europe to come up with the names he does.

    That, or he googles his info. Which I suppose is a possibility….

  12. andy1886

    ES: “Rubbish Arsenal are not a cheque book club.I suggest that you compare our expenditure with Man City, Man Utd and Chelsea.”

    Do you actually read what I said???

    As I pointed out, Arsenal have a HIGHER net spend than Chelsea over the last five years!!!

    Yet they are a cheque book club and we are not???

    Nice logic.

  13. Emiratesstroller

    Terraloon

    Pepe was not recruited by Edu and Arteta.

    The real issue is not how much Arsenal spends but the quality of recruitment.

    In most seasons our expenditure is far below the three clubs I list and we have often ranked
    in the annual listing of EPL transfer spend 5th to 8th, which is more or less where it should
    be considering our current performance level.

    You persist in presenting facts which are simply not correct.

  14. andy1886

    Also ES we made a significant loss last year regardless of our sponsorship deals as you well know. When you make a loss any expenditure has to be financed by debt. Those deals are 100% NOT paying for this summer’s signings.

  15. andy1886

    “You persist in presenting facts which are simply not correct.”

    Like saying Chelsea have spent more than us over the last five seasons you mean?

  16. China1

    Andy Pedro does the same thing with Xhaka

    He bagged on him for years. Then arteta came and he’s actually a very decent player. Then when it became clear xhaka is leaving he’s not that good after all. If arteta convinced granit to stay and gives him the captains armband what odds on Pedro telling us it’s actually well deserved because abc…..?

    Lol

  17. andy1886

    China, Pedro is wasted in marketing, he should go into politics. His ability to twist what he previously said and claim he actually meant the complete opposite is unparalleled.

  18. andy1886

    Just for ES, last five years net spend Arsenal (not cheque book spenders) & Chelsea (evil cheque book club):

    AFC: £308.15M
    CFC: £262.33M

    From Transfermarkt.

  19. Tom

    Andy
    I’d much preferred “the cocteau twins” and their “pearly dewdrop drops” …………to the “cock-up twins” and their “clanger drops”.

  20. Emiratesstroller

    andy 1886

    Do you actually read what I posted.

    I did not discuss net spend and agreed that Arsenal transfer policy was piss poor.

    However, when you factor in revenues over last 5 years there are other clubs who have
    spent more than us. Liverpool spent in 17/18 £156.49m and 18/19 £163.98.

    Everton spent £182.88 in 17/18 and £108.90 in 19/20.

    Chelsea have spent over £200 million in three of the last 4 years. The one year that they
    did not spend that sort of money was the year that they were subject to transfer ban.

    Man City also spend a similar amount on annual basis.

    Arsenal ‘s top spend was £144.36 million in 19/20.

  21. Valentin

    Chelsea is also much quicker at acknowledging when they have made a mistake in the transfer market and be ready to correct it.
    Newspapers are reporting that Chelsea are trying to sell Timo Werner back to German clubs, just one year after purchasing him.

  22. Emiratesstroller

    Andy 1886

    I suggest that you take a look at Chelsea balance sheets since Abramovich bought the club.
    It is a rare occurrence that the club made a profit and you need to look also at the money
    which he has loaned or invested in the club so that they can buy players.

    Arsenal by contrast was profitable in most years until Covid. The main complaint by supporters was that the bank balance grew and the Kroenke family did not invest. That was
    incidentally the opinion of Swiss Ramble in many of his reports.

  23. WengerEagle

    Pierre

    I don’t watch nearly as much Premier League football as others on here, honestly only watch every Arsenal game along with the bigger clashes.

    So I have a more limited knowledge of PL players which is why I tend to come up with suggestions on the continent as alternatives. The PL is covered very well by others on the blog I find.

    I do watch a lot of Euro football but some of it is just keeping up with what is going on too, includes highlights, paying attention to Whoscored/OptaJoe? etc.

  24. Tom

    “Pedro is wasted in marketing, he should go into politics. His ability to twist what he previously said and claim he actually meant the complete opposite is unparalleled”

    Pedro would absolute kill as Trump’s next press secretary, the position which will require filling in about three years time as he’s getting ready to take over from Biden.

  25. Matt

    So it looks like Inter are only interested in Bellerin as a loan deal. How many of the deadwood do we actually think we are going to manage to loan out, let alone sell.

  26. andy1886

    Stroller, we’re talking NET spend. What you are doing is de-linking income and expenditure which is a nonsense because one directly impacts the other – if you make money (from selling) you can re-invest it. If you don’t that money has to come from somewhere else. And when you have to cherry pick certain years for certain clubs (Everton in your example) then you really are getting desperate.

    Funny thing is you say take income into account and then completely avoid the fact that our income is less than Chelsea’s yet we have a higher net spend which makes our position even worse.

    The only clubs that have a higher net spend than us are the two Manchester clubs, one of which has far higher revenues and the other which has owners with bottomless pockets. Given that reality we really have underperformed hugely.

  27. Elmo

    I don’t agree with the Be Careful What You Wish For / “just look what happened to Spurs when they sacked Mourinho” warnings. Managers turned Spuds down because there was no money to spend, little control, and they might or might not have inferred that Kane would be sold.
    At Arsenal, we are told there is a vast pot of money to spend (we’ve already spent 75m, and we’re expected to do a lot more business), and we know that the manager is allowed to be the dominant character at the club, above the technical director and CEO, while knowing they’ll get more time than any other big budget club.
    Unless they knew they had a top CL offer elsewhere, a lot of managers would be interested (I think Conte would take it with our summer budget; Tuchel would have taken it if still out a job etc.).

    Be Careful What You Wish For can’t be allowed to be used this season as a justification for arguing that Tets has an infinite runway, and that there are no expectations.
    I don’t think we’ll make the Top 4, but saying we should be very close to it all season, qualifying for the EL, with a marked improvement in our attacking output, is not an unrealistic standard, yet if seems even this is being pushed back against now as a minimum benchmark.
    This is not intended as a platform to hound the manager from day 1, but at the same time we can’t have a situation where people justify that because Spuds bottled their appointment and have no money, no real standards other than ‘don’t finish bottom half’ apply, because “if not Arteta, then who?”

  28. WengerEagle

    Andy

    Tends to be how Italian clubs roll, loan to buy deals.

    Expect the same for Lucas Toreirra. Surprised that Roma seem to be fishing out all of the coins from the couch cushions to stump up the Xhaka fee even.

  29. Valentin

    ES,

    You do understand that the quality of the recruitment is irrelevant of the chequebook club principle.
    A club can have a smart chequebook recruitment and another a crappy cheap recruitment.

    What Andy is showing that Arsenal has been trying to buy its way back to the ECL. The fact that it did not work is due to poor recruitment and poor managers. Spending was not the limiting factor.

  30. TR7

    A back 3 allows us to do away with left wing position wherein we have Pepe, Willian and Auba as options. That’s why it makes sense to go for a back 3. Physically less taxing on Tierrney too and allows us to play more midfielders.

  31. TR7

    With all due respect ES talks so much shit that I don’t bother conversing with him. I don’t even read his verbose posts. No offense intended though.

  32. andy1886

    Stroller, no disagreement that Abramovich initially invested huge sums to enable them to reach the top table but in recent times they have reigned in their spending and were compliant with FFP for probably the last seven or eight years. What they did ten years ago isn’t relevent. We’ve matched or exceeded their net spend so certainly should be at least competing with them for a top four spot.

  33. Matt

    WE

    I know, it’s just frustrating that we will be forced into accepting more loan deals due to a lack of other interested parties. Still cant believe we didn’t sell when PSG came knocking.

  34. curse

    The old lady is taking their sweet f in time coming up with a suitable offer for Manuel. Thought they wanted him? Any chance their dithering/stalling makes him feel less important to them?

    This CM saga needs to hurry up who ever it may be, Koops looks alright tbf, powerful, think I might prefer him to Ruben. it’s only the prem experience that muddles things.

  35. Emiratesstroller

    andy 1886

    Football is not like any other business.

    Arsenal bucked the trend of most clubs in EPL and around Europe, because it made profits.

    The so-called net spend on transfers is only part of the equation. You need to look at the bottom line of the accounts.

    Until recent times Arsenal never made a loss. In contrast Chelsea were consistent loss makers.

    Arsenal’s transfers relative to their revenues is modest when compared with most big spenders. What has been poor is our recruitment, the wage structure and the club’s poor
    handling of negotiations in transfer market.

    Arsenal is now a privately owned business and frankly I don’t give a damn if the Kroenke
    family spend a billion on transfers and lose money.

    What I do care is that the club becomes successful and competitive once again.

  36. andy1886

    Than again I can’t resist pointing out that poor underfunded Arsenal are according to ES going to spend £150m this summer despite posting a huge Covid related loss…

  37. WengerEagle

    Matt

    Yeah, stupid wages for average talent will see to that. Kolasinac still has a year on his deal ffs.

    Unbelievable how hard it has been to shift all of the dross over the past year. Literally set us back years.

  38. Valentin

    ES,

    Arsenal was not profitable before COVID.
    That was not the opinion of Swiss Ramble at all.

    Official numbers showed that Arsenal made an operational loss for a few years now. The difference is that for the last 4 years the operational loss could not be covered by properties sale, exceptional players sale and accounting wizardry.

    I applaud your dedication to live in that rose tinted glass Arsenal world, but for the rest of is leaving in the harsh real world, Arsenal is in a poor state. Some will even in crisis.

  39. andy1886

    ES, actually I do care if KSE spend a billion and lose money because it isn’t KSE spending it, it’s AFC and doing so will directly impact our ability to properly fund the club in the future. I also have little faith that it will be spent well (the past being the best predictor of the future and all that).

  40. Pierre

    TR7
    “A back 3 allows us to do away with left wing position wherein we have Pepe, Willian and Auba as options.”

    Not really , as Arteta still likes to play with 2 wide players as well as the wing backs as he likes the overload in that area.

    Personally I prefer to play wing backs with 3 central midfielders and 2 strikers and let the wing backs patrol the touch line.

    Having 3 central midfielders allows one of them(willock)to attack the box in the knowledge that there is cover behind.

    It can either be 2 out and out strikers or one striker and one playing off the striker.

  41. curse

    been seeing more noise around Madders, read a foxes blog and they seem to be peddling the ‘we don’t really need him’, ‘we’ve got daka and we’ll get Philipe’.

    so I Grammed him and it was pretty interesting. Not affiliated with any team it seems, just an athlete. Loves number 10 so it’ll be interesting to see if the Smith gets it. And he looks like he’s gagging to live in London wit the man dem. lol

  42. Leedsgunner

    Absolutely hilarious that we overpaid about £50m for Pepe and and we are about to spend that again for Ben White and some people are determined to say we are not not a chequebook club.

    We are, but we do it very badly.

    If it was up to me I would spend that £50m we’re splashing out on White on Yves Bissouma and Aouar but fair dues to the club — they are supporting Areteta with funds.

    Let’s hope our rookie manager doesn’t waste it satisfying his ego and trying to prove how clever he is.

  43. Matt

    Curse

    I get the feeling that the Leicester fans genuinely wouldn’t be that worried to see Maddison go, which does worry me. I do like him as a player, but I’m not sure he’s the absolute professional that he should be and I can see his career taking a bit of a slide.

  44. CG

    No one gets his point across as succintly and as concisely as TR7.

    a unique talent.
    Always hitting bullseyes.

  45. Leedsgunner

    I get the vibe from Leicester fans that ew feel about Bellerin…. good servant for the club but it’s time doe us to say goodbye… and get some money from it to move the club forward. Although, considering they are not desperate to keep him £60m+ seems stupid money for Maddison.

    For that same amount of money (with change left over) you could buy Aouar and Adil Yacine and provide depth and creativity to the team.

    Maddison, although EPL proven is overpriced in my book.

    Shame we didn’t swoop in and grab Jack Grealish for £25m when Aston Villa was almost relegated….

  46. WengerEagle

    Maddison does come across as a real Jack the lad type but I like how he handles himself in interviews, think he is intelligent and self-aware unlike others of that ilk in times past.

    Wilshere was a Jack the lad type too as was Wayne Rooney. The former’s career was shortned by injuries, mot by ill-discipline and Rooney was a burn-out case having been at the top for 15+ years.

  47. Valentin

    Pierre,

    A lot people moved to 3-4-3, because it was successful in South American football. It allows to overload one side or the penalty box.
    Football in Europe is different and the 3-4-3 experiment was never a great success here. It requires 2 disciplined DM with great passing ability to work effectively. Most clubs don’t have two of such players.

    The other major drawback is that it is also a lot more physically demanding than other formations. So any dip in form often lead to defeats, and defeats mean loss of title challenge. That’s why no club has won the title in any of the top 5 European league playing consistently with such formation.

    Conte played 3-5-2 and sometimes against lower teams 3-4-3. At Chelsea he was also benefitting from the fact his team only played 1 game per week.

  48. Terraloon

    ES

    So as things stand RA took on a club that was broke and to date including the initial purchase price has invested through his holding company around £1.3 billion and now has an asset that Forbes value as being worth around £2 billion.

    They have won just about everything since he arrived including 2 CL. Their squad is according to transfer market worth £818 million. The same site value Arsenals at £461 million.
    In the last set of accounts Chelsea’s income if you exclude sales from players was £407 million Arsenals was £343 million.
    In 2011 Arsenal and Chelsea’s main three income streams match day, commercial and TV were £225 million and £226 million respectively in 2019/20 Arsenals had grown to by £118 million Chelsea’s by £180 million
    You can’t compare the two ownership models nor can you just compare sums spent on transfers without looking at player sales. Chelsea haven’t ever fallen foul of FFP their transfer ban was all to do with under 18 transfers. Chelsea aren’t worried at the bottom line in the same way as Arsenal but even though RA has ploughed in hundreds of millions he has revolutionised them on and off the field to a point where they are a well oiled machine and despite the revolving manager door they have built an culture where failure or poor performance is dealt with ruthless efficiency.

  49. China1

    Not sure why people believe if we spend a lot this summer it will be Stan footing the bill and not the club

    Free money is it? Good luck getting that out of Stan.

    At best he loans us cash… loans that will have to be repaid…

    Anyone who thinks we’re not just piling ourselves further into debt is living in a dream world. Ofc if we spend big but really smart and get back in the CL and win trophies it’s one thing. But if we don’t then we’ve just remortgaged the house for nothing

  50. Pierre

    Weagle
    “Unbelievable how hard it has been to shift all of the dross over the past year. Literally set us back years.”

    My argument against that is the supposed “dross” won us trophies , kept us in Europe and never below 6th.

    When you talk about dross , I presume you mean Ozil,kolasinac, Mustafi , Guendouzi, Torreira, Sokratis , Bellerin, cedric ….possibly AMN, Willock and eddie

    The above “dross” were not culpable for our worst start in decades last season.

    If it had been handled better, we should have continued playing the above players and gradually one by one replaced them.
    It has been very amateurish the way the club has made it very obvious that these players were not wanted by Arsenal and of course that will influence any potential buyers.

    Personally, I see no reason why kolasinac couldn’t be back up full/wing back until his contract runs out.

    I could see no reason why Ozil couldn’t have played for his final season with Smith Rowe.as back up. Until his contract run out

    I could see no reason why Mustafi couldn’t be a back up centre back until his contract run out

    I could see no reason why Guendouzi couldn’t have continued playing in midfield .until a club wanted to sign gim or his contract run out.

    Instead we have had to pay fortunes for these players to play at another club and bring in players like Odegaard, cedric, ceballos etc…

    Fools.

  51. Elmo

    Edu needs to get selling.

    Chelsea have moved out Tomori for £25m + £5m add-ons, and Guehi for £20m including add-ons. That’s probably at least £40m + add-ons for two players more fringe than Willock or AMN for us.

    We can’t keep everyone. A successful club is about making smart trade-offs for long-term benefit.

  52. China1

    Every single report on our supposed spending this summer says Stan will let us spend money. Let us spend money and gift us free money are two entirely different things. The bank can let me spend money on my credit card but will they give me money for free?

  53. Elmo

    Leeds

    Imagine you were Leicester. In a world where Ben White is a 50m + add-ons player, Maddison should be 80m+, even if he’s not central to your plans. The very least I could imagine them selling for would be something like £72-75m, however ridiculous that might sound.

    We have to realise that Leicester see us as a direct competitor.

  54. Tom

    Why would Leicester fans worry about losing Madison when they are more grounded in reality than most Arsenal fans ever could.
    I haven’t even herd a peep from the few Leicester fans I know about their top four failures over the last two seasons— a particularly hot topic amongst the Arsenal fans— which is kinda odd when your own club sits eight in the table. Sorry, meant to say third since Christmas.

    Leicester fans have full confidence in the club’s brass to put any money from Madison transfer to a great use as they have done in each case since returning to to PL.

  55. Terraloon

    China

    And that’s the point. Add in the £120million which will be an Arsenal debt and whatever nett spend this summer brings about and in a blink of an eye the likelihood is that another £200 million debt has been loaded on the club. But hey all’s rosy in the garden

    None of the supposed targets will be looked at by the likes of City and Chelsea even White who the jury really is out on isn’t a key target of the CL teams and to be honest if the were bidding for him I can’t but help feel he wouldn’t be thinking about becoming an Arsenal player.

  56. Emiratesstroller

    Andy 1886

    Oh please…..

    Football is a rich man’s toy run by people with oversized egos and in many cases have accumulated their wealth dishonestly or through opportunism.

    Most of the large football clubs are middle of the road ftse 250 size businesses with annual
    turnover of around £250 to £400 million. Most of the money they generate comes from tv
    and sponsorship.

    All football clubs in EPL spent excessively in transfer market and on wages until Covid. The
    idea that a footballer is worth £50 million in transfer market or the wages we spent on Ozil
    is plum ridiculous.

    Arsenal is now wholly owned by Kroenke. He is not someone I would pick as the owner of
    the club, because I doubt that he has a clue about or passion for football.

    Sooner or later he will either work out that he needs to spend money on the team like Chelsea and Man City are doing or he will decide to move on.

    There will always be a sovereign fund, private equity firm or billionaire egotist who will want to buy London’s Premier Football Club.

  57. CG

    And Terraloon ( well said)

    RA has made Chelsea Londons biggest club and under KSE we have plummeted and allowed West Ham, Spurs to finish above us.

    Everything KSE have touched with regards to AFC has been an utter disaster- so it will be no suprise this sudden urge to spend fortunes on ‘above average’ players like White, does not turn into a financial disaster too.

    We will get too a stage, soon ,where KSE will want to sell the club, but the finances will be in such a state, no one will want to go near it.

  58. raptora

    I’ve been banging Matheus Cunha’s drum for a while same as WE.

    Did I mentioned they area already building an understanding with Gabi Martinelli in Brazil’s Olympics team? Literally carried their game vs UAE the other day.

    With 12 mins to go Gabi gets introduced at 1-2 for UAE, the game ended 5-2. Cunha scored 2, Gabi 1.

  59. raptora

    Martinelli’s alertness in the box is phenomenal.

    He is a predator and that’s a hugely important skill for a striker. Not to say he has so many other qualities in his game, like pace, dribbling, great technique on the shot, very good header of the ball.

    This is his season to make the improvement that Saka made in last season. If he is allowed to be the backup striker to Auba, he will not disappoint.

    This kid is the future same way Saka and ESR are. We need to speed their involvement in the team as they can reach a level no one else in the team can. A level that could give us a realistic chance of competing against the top clubs for trophies. They can be as good as 70-120m players. We don’t need to spend any money, just give them this season to prove themselves.

  60. Leedsgunner

    Elmo

    I hear you, but then why are we so rubbish at selling our experienced English talent?

    Liverpool and Chelsea seem to sell their academy products with easy for £20m plus but when it comes to us our English fringe players, there just seems to be no interest… even though they have much more top flight experience (by comparison).

    I agree with you Leicester have one of the most effective transfer teams around. They buy and sell very very well.

  61. Terraloon

    ES

    “There will always be a sovereign fund, private equity firm or billionaire egotist who will want to buy London’s Premier Football Club”

    A Private equity fund dear oh dear. maybe a billionaire, maybe a sovereign fund but are Arsenal still London’s Premier FC ? Should be but a country mile off being able to claim that honour at this point in time

  62. raptora

    Antony, a 20 yo Brazilian AM/Winger, is another one from that Brazil team that has a very high ceiling.

    20/21 was his debut season in Europe for Ajax coming from Sao Paolo for £14m. He managed to score 9 and assist 8 in 1774 mins (roughly 20 games). 5 MotM awards too. Really impressive stuff.

    Will undoubtedly prove a bargain deal for Ajax.

  63. China1

    Yeah if Leicester lose Maddison it will be for a very pretty penny and they will reinvest the money extremely well

  64. raptora

    I’m flabbergasted how Ajax can sell the excellent Ziyech and in such short time unveil another gem in Antony, similar to what Dortmund’s been doing and now without Sancho, 18 yo Gio Reyna will have the platform to become their next superstar.

    Ajax won the league by 16 pts too. I must say Ten Haag is up there in my list behind Conte.

  65. Elmo

    Tom

    Right, but if you’re giving a good player to your competition, you have to make sure you extract a disproportionate transfer fee to make sure you can both re-invest better, but also to financially hobble your competition (i.e. a commitment in a player they can’t afford to fail without it limiting their medium-term prospects).

    Leeds

    I think we have to make the right decision when offers come in. AMN should have been told to go with the £20m offer. I think Willock should go if there’s a £20m+ offer, assuming we’re bringing in more midfielders.

    The most important part is external perception. When Big Weng was the expert on youth and we used to storm through the league cup early rounds playing 17-20 year olds, everyone wanted a part of the Arsenal academy. There was a mystique and aura. In recent years the perception has been that we’re a mess of a club from top to bottom, and that most of our academy graduates aren’t even Championship standard.

    So Saka and ESR are hugely important from that point of view. People will begin thinking again there’s talent behind the scenes at Arsenal. Willock doing well on loan gives the impression that there’s surplus untapped ability that other clubs can buy in.

    If the first team also starts doing well, perhaps we’ll start being able to flip very mediocre youngsters for big fees (like Liverpool with Brewster and others).

  66. China1

    As much as I totally admire and respect Ajax, they are the Juve/Bayern of their league so it’s 10x easier for them

    Elite talent in Holland would be massively drawn to them and they usually have a huge strangle hold on their league. Much easier to dominate that than in a genuinely competitive league (although there are sometimes competitors in Holland)

  67. CG

    ES

    ””””””””””’Yes Arsenal are London’s top club. If the club comes up for sale I don’t think that there will be a shortage of buyers.””””””’

    they were until KSE arrived.
    Not now.

    It may not be popular, but its the truth, but Chelsea are Londons premier club.

    (Arsenal just about keeping ahead of Spurs in that race.)

    Another decade of KSE, A & E , Crystal Palace will be on our coattails.

  68. Leedsgunner

    “I’m flabbergasted how Ajax can sell the excellent Ziyech and in such short time unveil another gem in Antony, similar to what Dortmund’s been doing and now without Sancho, 18 yo Gio Reyna will have the platform to become their next superstar.”

    It’s run by people that know what they are doing because they are supported by a board that loves and understands football. They have a clear vision and they work hard to stick to it.

    What’s our vision? Anyone know?

  69. curse

    Matt, regarding the foxes fans, I think a lot of fans go into that mode when one of their top players decides to leave despite the lofty perception. Justifiably so, but are they better placed than us going forwards? if they win the Europe perhaps but I can’t see it and I’ll be surprised if they make top 4.

    I do agree he has an asterix next to character but so did Auba, maybe that just comes with a certain level of player. he’s super savvy in interviews and appears quite driven and at 24 it would be amazing if he packed it in now.

  70. raptora

    China,
    It’s more about their scouting department that is excellent in a similar way to Dortmund’s. And the way they manage to develop the young players into stars like de Jong, de Ligt, van de Beek, Ziyech. Truth is, you might have a gem in your hands but it takes more than a great talent to become a top class football player.

  71. Goobergooner

    Cc well said

    “In reality a lot of what Luiz brought was hurt some by Xhaka being the recipient in midfield. He never had the light footedness to receive on the half turn and continue the progressions that way.”

    I don’t quite agree on the next sentence you said about Luiz and xhaka being part of our best spells as ‘quartetbacks’. Yeah they did play that role, but in xhakas instance, leaving massive holes in midfield and in Luiz’s instance, it’s as you mentioned above.

    It’s like we want to be possession based but wanted to play long balls from the back if playing out didn’t work (and it didn’t work more for the fact our midfield is so shite rather than any combo of holding, Mari or Gabriel being unable to play from the back), which was all helped by having to create a deeper position for xhakas massive shortcomings.
    On top of that the crossing to noone tactic.

    I am hoping to see an actual game plan this season rather than slow ponderous play out of the backline.

  72. Emiratesstroller

    Leedsgunner

    Arsenal’s problems with sales are twofold. First the wages we pay our players and second
    that we seem always to be a soft touch when it comes to negotiation.

    Inter Milan have just sold Hakimi for £54 million to PSG and now plead poverty and want to
    recruit Bellerin on loan with ‘option’ to buy!

    AS Roma are offering £13.5 million for Xhaka. No-one is going to suggest to me that Arsenal’s valuation of Euros 20 million is unrealistic. Despite all the negativity posted on Le Grove Xhaka played reasonably well last season and had a very good Euros.

    The only way Arsenal are going to change the culture is by playing hardball. Sooner or later
    clubs will get the message and will be more realistic in the negotiation.

  73. Valentin

    I think people are underestimating the quality of Arsenal academy players. Not everyone will make it, but what many lack is experience and a coach willing to give them a chance.

    Willock is a Lampard type of player. With a proper club manager I can see him becoming a full England international in a few years. Somebody like Kalvin Phillips benefitted tremendously from Bielsa tutelage. Without him he would be nowhere near the international team.

  74. Terraloon

    RS

    Again you miss the point

    If wages are an issue how is it Chelsea who pay even more wages than Arsenal don’t seem to have a problem when it comes to selling players ?
    You seen to infer that Inter made £54 million from selling Hakimi. The reason they sold him was primarily to clear the debt they owed to RM( he had been at Inter for just one season. ) .Irrespective they are in a financial mess had they not been they wouldn’t have sold the player in the first place.
    As for Xhaka. Clearly Arsenal valuation unrealistic other wise he would have been gone.
    I do however agree with the lack of negotiation skills at Arsenals. That said clearly others don’t see the goods that are on sale as affording value for money

  75. Tom

    Elmo
    I don’t think Rodgers or Leicester spend much time worrying about how to hobble Arsenal financially. Arteta has been doing fine in that department all by himself.

    Luiz-£20m
    Willian -£30m
    That’s 50million spend right there without moving the needle one bit.

    Both Partey and White cost Arsenal £100m while their combine Transfermarkt value is just about half of that, yet, some believe we are/have gotten value there.

    Meanwhile Fofana ,who cost Leicester the CL cough, cough, has a higher valuation now then what Leicester paid for him.

  76. Bob N16

    I’m hopeful that we’ll sign a Partey partner and a AM to share the load with ESR. If that is the case it makes our position on Willock more difficult.

    I think he has a great chance to become a really valuable player but will he get enough game time with us and would he generally be only employed as a ‘ super sub’ in the last 20 mins of games?

    To help his development, would it not be best to extend his contract and give him another year on loan with Newcastle or any other PL team who are likely to be able to offer him plenty of game time? Saliba and Willock to join the squad next Summer after excellent year long loans, they’ll be like new signings?

    Unless another team comes up with a £25 m + offer, Arsenal may wait to see if they get an AM target in before making a loan decision. There is no need to make an early decision as we’re not desperate to sell him.

  77. andy1886

    Tom,

    I think you missed the bit where Luiz was so critical to our play that we need to spend £50m on a replacement. So I’m sure Pedro would claim that £20m for Luiz was a bargain!

  78. Leedsgunner

    The only way we’re going to change not being screwed over in the transfer market is by hiring people that know what what they are doing… and not hiring the footballing equivalent of graduate trainees who are desperately trying to figure out the job as they go along.

  79. Leedsgunner

    Kudos where kudos is due.

    Per Mertesacker has been excellent in heading up our academy… and he and the leadership deserves credit for convincing Balogun, Kido Taylor Hart and Arthur Okwonko to stay. Our future lies in our youth.

  80. China1

    Goober I watched the official arsenal YouTube clip the other day of the team training and it was just clips and highlights obviously but it was striking how in training 90% of the games in their practice match were cut back crosses

    Maybe they edited out everything else or maybe run down the line and throw in random crosses is really all we’re working on in training

  81. Habesha Gooner

    I love that we are chasing Locatelli. The quality of player that comes at CM must be good. I am not that much excited we are waiting for him though. We need a good player at CM. It doesn’t have to cost much either. Anguissa, Koopmeiners and Aouar all could be had for 20 mil. And all of them would move the needle for us.

    I would love Maddison but I would rather bring in a very good CM before a premium CAM. For example it would be great if we went for Locatelli/Bissouma with fekir/Matheus Pereira. The combined cost wouldn’t exceed 60 mil and we would solve a lot of problems.

    Alternatively we could go for a premium CAM like Maddison with a cheaper CM like Aouar/Anguissa/Koopmeiners.

    But I think the most vital position is CM. If we could get a great CM with a seasoned pro like Fekir to help ESR then our fortunes would be much better. And because of that I wouldn’t go for Maddison before a great CM. If there is money left over and we could spend then I will take him. But a great CM is a necessity. CAM is a it less important because we have an emerging player in ESR and a player that helps him with quality would be enough.

  82. raptora

    Tom: “Meanwhile Fofana ,who cost Leicester the CL cough, cough, has a higher valuation now then what Leicester paid for him.”

    CC explained that with something along the lines “Perform well in a higher profile league and your values increases, I know it’s a lot for you to take on board.” right after he said that if Fofana wasn’t in top 5 of the CBs in the entire EPL, then he was a detriment to Leicester’s season. So basically he did well, but because he wasn’t a top class performer at 20 yo, in his first ever EPL season, he cost Leicester points.

    Would be interesting to hear the long list of players that instantly become top 5 in their position in their 1st EPL season.

    Would be interesting also to hear if Leicester’s supporters think that the 20% rise in goals conceded has a direct correlation to Fofana per se, or to the fact that Chillwell left, Evans played 25% less games, Soyuncu 45% less games, Pereira 60% less games – all due to injuries while Fofana was partnered with the likes of Fuchs, Ndidi, Amartey and Castagne all filling holes in the CB positions.

  83. Bob N16

    Habesha, agree with CM priorities! I think the AM is a tricky one because I believe Arsenal are still hoping that Odegaard becomes available. I’ m with you though, if Aouar is a cheaper possibility I would be frustrated if we miss out on him and Odegaard doesn’t’ sign up.

    Not sure how realistic Locatelli is but if we can get him, fine. If not Neves but I think I’d prefer Bissouma if possible.

    The order we get our targeted positions in, doesn’t bother me as I accept, like with Odegaard, the timing is beyond our control to an extent. Obviously the sooner the better but realistically I’ d imagine one or two players will come in after the season has started in the second half of August.

    RB is more of a question mark – Bellerin and either Soares or Chambers would probably need to be sold to provide space.

  84. raptora

    Arsenal should stay away from giving contracts to 30+ year olds unless they are certain that the players are exemplary on and off the pitch. Reliable players like Monreal, Cazorla, you just know how professional they are. They look very humble people, one that can’t live without football.

    And still, offering crazy money to people who are already half pensioned needs to inlvolve way more thinking than we have seemingly given it.

    Ozil (renewal), Cech, Luiz, Sokratis, Mkhitaryan, Lichtsteiner – we’ve wasted hundreds of millions there for not much in return.

    We could have had young players fully developed in their positions now, sellable assets that we can make a profit on if we decide to do so. I mean, surely that crop of players above didn’t accomplish what they were signed for.

    Might as well look into a different direction now and I’m glad that the profile of players we’ve been approaching this Summer is in the right age. We could have been after the likes of Coutinho, Giroud, Nainggolan, Immobile, Reus, Higuain. That’s a positive as long as we don’t get any Willian type of surprise by the end of this window.

    I’m completely against renewing Lacazette’s deal. We’re already having troubles with Auba, another immovable forward will be too much. I would sell him and let Auba fight it with Martinelli and Balogun who should be the future for that position and if we manage to develop the pair properly, we will not have to spend any money on a forward for several years to come.

  85. raptora

    Jorge Sampaoli played a key role in bringing Saliba to Marseille and the defender explained how he was won over by his new manager’s vision.

    Saliba:”We spoke. He wanted me in his team. He explained to me that even though I am a good player now, I had a lot of things to improve.

    “With him, I will have ways of progressing… His playing philosophy speaks to me. I can play in a four, on the right or on the left. As long as the team is good, I can play everywhere.”

    Saliba is clearly happy to be valued by Sampaoli having vented his frustrations with his lack of opportunities under Arteta earlier this year.

    “He (Arteta) judged me on two-and-a-half matches. I would have liked for him to play me more,” Saliba told RMC Sport .

    “But he told me I wasn’t ready. I was waiting for him to give me a chance, but football is like that.”

    Saliba made two appearances for Arsenal Under-23 before joining Nice last season, while he represents France at Under-20 level.

  86. China1

    Aouar is supposedly available for only 17m

    His attitude, stamina etc all in question but at that price really why not

    Lokonga and Aouar for a combined 34m. That’s only just over half a Ben white…

  87. China1

    If we paid just 17m for Aouar that allows us to focus more money on AM or RB etc. despite my reservations about Aouar, at that price I think he’s a no brainer

    Get Aouar and a really high quality AM and even if we don’t get a RB or keeper you could fairly say the summer is a success

    Tavares, Lokonga, Aouar, Quality AM plus as many dross wanker sales as possible and I’ll be happy enough. That would mean next summer RB, GK and CF would probably be the priorities

  88. andy1886

    Perry Groves on Odegaard:

    “When I watched him play I could tell he had a lot of talent but he reminded me of a younger version of Mesut Ozil because he didn’t get a grip of the game enough,”

    “Ozil had so much talent and when he fancied it, he was one of the best players in the Premier League.

    “He didn’t do it on a regular basis and didn’t dominate the way he should.

    “If you’re playing in the number ten role you’ve got to do better from Odegaard’s point of view than one goal and one assist.

    “You’ve got to contribute more in a side that usually dominates possession. Emile Smith Rowe can play in that position as well and he’ll give you more on the ball and off it – so it didn’t surprise me at all.”

    I’ll take Perry’s thoughts on the subject over MA’s or even CC’s for that matter.

  89. DigitalBob

    I’m guessing Brighton have asked for the full £50 million fee to be paid regardless of bonuses and or appearances. As was Brighton’s aim from day one. I’ve always wondered the point in having negotiations go on and on just for the final fee to be the exact asking price initially laid out by the selling team. Did we not get a sense of this earlier on? Is this further confirmation of Edu being a soft touch in negotiations?

    But I’m happy with the signing as he is an improvement on what we have. Now that its done and dusted and Lokonga is also looking like a completed transfer the next actions taken by Edu and Arteta will be key to our short and medium term success.

    If as many have said we sign an AM like Aouar/Maddison AND a CM like Locatelli, Bissouma or to a lesser extent Neves by the start of the season then it’s a positive window and we have a squad certainly better than last season ready for the fight.

    If we end up messing about waiting for Carlo to make his mind up about Odegaard or Locatelli to “settle” for a move to Arsenal and for neither to happen then we may be woefully short in numbers and quality to make a proper run at the top 4.

  90. Valentin

    Andy,

    Perry Groves is just saying what everybody with eyes and not lost in the cult of Arteta can see. Ødegaard is not the kind of player who will dominate games. He won’t forcefully drag Arsenal to the top 4 promise land.

    On the other hand, ESR like Martinelli has that infectious buzz that pushes his teammates to do more. Press more, run more off the ball.

  91. Dissenter

    Arteta couldn’t suss out Mustafi in one season yet he figured out Saliba in 2.5 games . The same Mustafi that was regretting not “doing more for” for Ozil.
    I’ll stick to my convictions about the manager until proven otherwise.

  92. Valentin

    DigitalBob,

    Arsenal had the same issue with the Saliba deal. The ASSE chairman said that the only stipulation on which he would not budge was Saliba spending one year on loan at his club. We kept offering more money to remove that clause. In the end we offered more than what he was willing to accept and we had to accept their loan demand.

    It is like the Arsenal negotiation team can’t read a room and spot when somebody is not bluffing. Arrogance, hubris and ignorance merge into one. It remind me of the joke about the air craft carrier captain demanding the Lighthouse moves out of his way.

  93. China1

    Dissenter he even offered him a new contract which should be default get you chased out of town by an agent pitchfork waving mob haha

    Can you imagine mustafi being offered a new contract last summer????

    And even weirder was him turning it down LOL

    Wtf was going on

  94. TR7

    Asking price of Auoar is so low yet so many clubs supposedly after him are not wrapping up the deal to sign him. Is there more to the story than meets the eye ? Bad attitude or inconsistency or both ?

  95. Dissenter

    China1
    Mustafi was in camp Ozil, so it’s no wonder why he declined to sign an extension.
    That Arteta missed the massive dissent in his camp says a lot about him, Mustafi who was no longer invested in the club was picked ahead of a budding talent whop reported to Arsenal weeks before he was due.
    The club knew he hadn’t played for a while due to Ligue un’s covid shut down, yet they didn’t factor that in before assessing him after 2.5 games.

  96. China1

    Dissenter everyone knows 2.5 games is more than enough for the kids but you gotta times that by at least 10 if you wanna judge senior players

  97. raptora

    It’s weird that Pierre is against us signing Ozil Jr. Thought he’d be pushing hard for his reincarnated Messiah.

    As it stands, however, we are on the same opinion. He rates ESR more than he rates Odegaard as this is where it always goes to – do you rate a player’s potential above the potential of his teammate’s fighting for the same position.

    As this is a very close one as it stands, why toss 60m big ones? It’s also the EPL where pace and power are often king unless you are DB10 who also had plenty of power.

    In an ideal world you get 2 high class players in same position like City and Chelsea, but we ain’t them. We saw how playing Auba and Laca simultaneously turned out, it rarely if ever worked.

    I realize that it will be unwise to start a season with 1 AM in the team, but there goes the part where Arsenal have to be flexible – Aouar can play in CM but also deputize in ESR’s absence. We have Willock who will stay unless the right offer comes. Imagine adding Maddison or Odegaard with Willock still here. Another loan? ESR to the bench? ESR on the flanks? It’s a mess.

  98. Dissenter

    TR7
    I think the player is disenchanted with Aulas for how he was managed last summer. Aulas overplayed his hand and cost the player a move.

    Auoar is cheap because everyone knows he’s trying to force a move, same way Xhaka’s valuation is low because he too is trying to leave.

  99. China1

    TR7 Aouar has stamina issues, he never completes 90 mins. Questions about his attitude as well

    Imo there are a lot of red flags but at 17m and on reasonable wages I say fuck it. He can rotate with lokonga next to partey. If he doesn’t work out then it was only 17m, no tears will be shed at that price

  100. China1

    Aouar at 17m is exactly the kind of deal wenger would’ve done in his hey day

    Quality player with some issues and a crazy low price just in need of a bit of rehabilitation. Wenger would’ve been alllll over that

  101. TR7

    Dissenter

    I know why Auoar is cheap but I am wondering why are the interested clubs not simply paying paltry 17M and getting done with it.

    China

    Yeah despite the issues you listed he is dirt cheap. Arsenal are playing a low ball, Spurs are dragging their feet too. Surprising really.

  102. Dissenter

    If we are going for Aouar, it’s the type of deal where you don’t rub salt in the face of the selling club.

    They ask for 18 million, no ifs…ands…or buts
    Pay it and get out of Dodge before they change their mind.
    Don’t start squabbling over the odd 1 million.

  103. raptora

    It’s not prime Wenger at the helm now is it. Instead we have this egocentric manager who has managed to fight with half his squad in the space of a year and a half.

    Even the people he gave a lifeline when he started managing – Xhaka, Mustafi and Leno, can’t wait see the back of him.

  104. Northbanker

    China – Aouar is an AM so why would we buy another?

    We need a CM more than anything. An AM s a bonus but as we have ESR I’m still not convinced this is a priority and certainly not for Maddison money. So Aouar for 17m would make som sense but not at the expense of a CM

  105. Dissenter

    TR7
    He’s a temperamental one, which I think you’re alluding to.
    He needs delicate man-management but is undoubtedly super talented. He will eventually reach a stage of calmness just like Rabiot

  106. WengerEagle

    ”TR7 Aouar has stamina issues, he never completes 90 mins. ”

    He completed 3069 mins in Ligue 1 in 2018/19 which averages out to 34 full ninety minute apps on top of 7 full CL apps and domestic cup games [3].

    So stamina didn’t seem to be an issue before. I would lean towards it being attitude/training related and a likelihood that he didn’t crack on with the gaffer as the reason for the reduced mins.

  107. China1

    North banker Aouar plays deeper than a 10. He’s creative but not a regular 10 and will do better from deeper. Also I wouldn’t bank on him joining the press if he plays 10 because he can’t even play 90 mins. Better to put him somewhere where he’s not out of puff after 12 mins

    Re why arteta hasn’t just say fuck it and put the cash on the table, I suspect if the asking price was 40m he’d be making offers left right and center but getting an established highly talented player for 1/3 of what he would’ve cost 12 months ago? That doesn’t give arteta the same tingle downstairs as when he draws 50 fat ones on a player

  108. Dissenter

    Northbanker
    “China – Aouar is an AM so why would we buy another?”

    I’m not sure where you’re getting your info from but Aouar is primarily a central midfielder, a very good one at that.

  109. Dissenter

    Aouar will complement ESR very well, a lot better than playing ESR with Ode.

    One day, I will know how to arrange all the vowels in that name of his .

  110. China1

    Wenger on the other hand would’ve been walking around with a full on pitched tent on his pants at this price point

    He’s get him for 17m. Extract 2-3 good years out of him then flog him to Barca for double (probably worth triple but old weng rarely got full value from his sales ☹️

  111. WengerEagle

    TR7

    He’s a superior vertical dribbler to prime Cazorla because of his extra burst of acceleration which Santi lacked but he has ways to go before he can be held up as an all-round midfielder as good as Santi was between passing ability/range, vision, finishing, ball retention, set-piece ability and off the ball application.

    For a 23 year old though he has immense potential. He will explode in the right environment.

  112. Dissenter

    China1
    “He’s get him for 17m. Extract 2-3 good years out of him then flog him to Barca for double (probably worth triple but old weng rarely got full value from his sales ☹️”

    so true
    Quick turn around, manage his attitude problem and sell him to Juve or Madrid in 2023.
    There’s a maverick about Aouar .

  113. China1

    The fact that he has attitude issues would’ve given prime weng an even bigger stiffy

    He absolutely loved a good project player didn’t he

  114. Dissenter

    Arteta’s fetish for Ode will mess up our summer
    The club’s deference to a manager still learning his trade will anchor us to midtable for a while.

  115. Dissenter

    I’m not sure Aouar is the type of player that will do well with a manager backing out micro-instructions on the sidelines. He needs some freedom to do his work; freedom and trust.

  116. TR7

    WE

    Yes Auoar moves well vertically whereas Cazorla was a master at dribbling the ball out from a very congested area. All in all Auoar is talented enough for us to take a punt on him.

  117. China1

    Wenger would’ve had Willock, Nelson, saka, esr, martinelli, guendouzi, and AMN all doing serious things if this was 2008

    The only great youth player he’d have failed is saliba and that’s just because he didn’t have the foggiest about how to coach CBs. But at least he’d have been ‘like a father to him’ and not cunted him off in a cloud of embarrassment lol

  118. China1

    Memories of eboue senderos toure and flamini with a certain child prodigy in CM pocketing every midfield and attack in Europe en route to the CL final was the stuff dreams are made of.

    Keown deserves a fucking statue for that. Toure was the only serviceable player in the entire defense and they had a fucking child at CM in front of them

    That was magic, it really was

  119. Paul

    socios just announced by the club.
    Brilliant idea,
    promise to get fans more involved in the club, following the debacle of a super League, then go with the cryptocurrency nonsense anyone anywhere ( spurs fans for instance )can get their hands on to push a false narrative of fan support that will give the yank owners more cash, still no real representative from the terraces.
    Rich get richer, the class of the Arsenal I grew up with is a rapidly receding memory, I’ve got mates in London getting more and more into Barnet and the orient and you can really see why

  120. CG

    Tr7

    “”Yes Auoar moves well vertically whereas Cazorla was a master at dribbling the ball out from a very congested area. All in all Auoar is talented enough for us to take a punt on him.”””””

    All well and good

    But he does understand Arteta’s Cognitive Theory?

    Or does he have the “” specificity “” Manuel wants in his players?
    (Specificity!!! and he has Steve Round as his no.2)

    What a load of tripe, people come out with.

    And some people actually believe this BS.

  121. WengerEagle

    Eboue had a torrid time of it towards the end being shunted out to a RW spot and became a real scapegoat but to be honest before Sagna was signed in 2007 he did a very serviceable job of replacing Lauren for a season and he played very well in our CL run to the Final the season before.

    He was made out to be a meme player when he really was a decent RB. He was just unlucky to have been sandwiched in between two better ones in Lauren and Sagna who were two of our greatest modern RBs.

    The slander and lumping him in some quarters with company like Armand Traore, Gibbs, Andre Santos, Jenko, Hoyte is really unfair though and is re-writing history.

  122. Valentin

    Aouar came back from a serious injury mid way through the season that is one of the reasons he has not completed 90 minutes. Hopefully with a proper pre season that should have no impact on his stamina.

    Arteta viewed Guendouzi as a petulant, man child who need to be kicked out of the club, however he never refused to follow tactics or football related instructions. Aouar did. Multiple times under at least two managers. In term of character, I would seriously doubt that he will be Arteta compatible.

  123. DigitalBob

    Valentin – That is very worrying, because the initial Saliba transfer is now several years old and it seems we/Edu are not learning from past negotiations.

    Once you get a reputation for being a soft touch its very hard to shake and impacts on multiple levels, it really looks like this might be happening here.

  124. WengerEagle

    China

    He was a very good attacking RB but once he was ahead of the ball he was clueless which is why him at RW never panned out.

    People had the reductive idea [fast, good crosser, defensively strong for a wideman= will work as a winger] that he would work higher up the pitch, same as those calling for Vermaelen to be our answer to the CDM crisis as he was athletic, combative and a strong tackler without factoring in everything else that goes into mastering the position.

  125. Leedsgunner

    So far we’ve sold four youngsters on permanent deals Ben Sheaf, Trae Coyle, Zech Medley and Mark MacGuinness… all fees undisclosed.

    I hope we received at least £2m for the group… at the very least! Plus add on fees…

  126. Dissenter

    Arteta; “Albert is a very intelligent player who has shown great maturity in his performances during his development. He has been coached well by Vincent Kompany and his team at Anderlecht. I know Vincent very well and he talks so highly about Albert and the positive impact he had to Anderlecht in recent seasons. We’re confident Albert’s ready for the next stage in his development and we’re looking forward to welcoming a new member to our squad with his quality and presence.”