BEN WHITE DEAL AGREED – PANIC SETS IN OVER XHAKA/ODEGAARD REPLACEMENTS

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I mean, every single time I complain about slow biz, Arsenal deal that day. No sooner had I let rip that our summer was going down the pan because Captain Edu was busy sailing on the Don Shouldwebedoingthis… we signed a player. Well, kind of.

David Ornstein revealed that the Ben White deal has clocked in at £50m, making the right-sided centre back our 3rd most expensive signing in history. For a club that took made players bring packed lunches last season to save money, this is quite the statement.

As fans, we’re in ‘if Edu is involved, there’s no doubt it’s bad’ mode at the moment… but no doubt if Liverpool or Chelsea did this we’d be praising their shrewd scouting. A bit like Ryan Bertrand causing an #ArtetaOut trending topic, until Leicester went there, and it was fine.

Whatever you think about the deal, this much is true.

He’s a truly unique talent in the way that he plays. He’s been coached by Bielsa, who plays murderball at training, he’s been developed further by the excellent Graham Potter at Brighton. He carries the ball like a midfielder, he can confidently move passes between the lines like David Luiz, and he’s now capped.

Then factor in the next most important thing: he’s robust. He dropped 46 appearances at Leeds during his single season there. He played 36 of Brighton’s 38 games last season. The guy has a body that is ready for the challenge. So, so important for Arsenal this season after watching what Thomas Partey’s unusual run last season did to our campaign. Derisk is my fave new term… and this signing has it all in my opinion.

The big question marks are the same for any young centre back with a newly minted profile: Can they do it at a big club?

Harry McG was mercilessly mocked when he went to United, he’s just made the finals of the Euros conceding two goals. Same for John Stones over at Manchester City. Whenever there is a young British centre back that lands a big move, everyone doubts them, it is absolutely standard. I can even remember West Ham fans telling me Rio was great but would struggle at a big club. I think most of that comes down to branding… when you have a boring name and you look like an 18-30s Ibiza club rep, people doubt your talent.

Changing that view is down to the player. Most Arsenal fans don’t know what to make of it, so let’s hope the plan in place is one that is sharp, because boy do we need him to level us up next season. Still, at 23, if he can do it, it’ll look a bargain in a few years time.

For me, this is a massive piece of the Arteta jigsaw. There can’t be reasons this season as to why the system didn’t work. There can’t be rogue ‘but that player wasn’t quite right’ this season. We need to see the finished product. That finished product needs ball playing centrebacks. Fullbacks that can move and deliver final balls. Creative players that can move the ball at speed and be decisive. Strikers that are finishing their chances.

Even if you don’t understand Ben White, know that he’s important, otherwise they’d have put that money elsewhere. Also, Sky reporting that medical is set for when he’s back from holiday is like, exactly what Le-Grove told you.

Apparently, the club wants to reveal the Kido Hart deal as well as the Sambi Lokonga signing. Honestly, I am really quite thrilled about Lokonga. Even if it doesn’t quite work out, the idea is right. It shows that we’re leaning into the analysts behind the scenes, it shows that we have the smarts at Arsenal to fish out value, and it once again reinforces that the powers that be took note of what old players bring to the dressing room.

The Kido Hart deal is also a superb piece of news. You can keep reading all these weirdos saying the club is crashing and Emery was a better idea than Arteta… but the kids who used to leave under Wenger are now signing deals. You do not entrust your future to a coach you don’t believe in. Kido Hart could have his pick of clubs on the continent, he chose to stay at Arsenal because he sees a future here. I think that’s fucking great news.

I still think the biggest worry for Arsenal fans is where we’re putting the money for the Xhaka replacement and who we’re going to bring in to cover for the loss of Martin Odegaard. We’re not moving things forward without those two positions being filled. Our midfield is not going to be a 21 year old in his first Premier League year.

The big rumblings are that Locatelli is the player they want. Again, he’s a bit slow, but he has so much power and craft to his game. The goss from Italy appears to be that Juventus tapping Sassuolo for a 2-year loan deal with an obligation to buy. Arsenal are sitting outside the office with two suitcases full of cash worth £40m. If you run Sassuolo, who are probably bleeding hard at the moment, are you really going to let Juve pull your pants down like that? Cash is king, particularly this season. You cannot be doing mega clubs favours like that. The club might not survive. It always feels like a longshot move… but if Juve don’t have money, that is a very difficult obstacle to manoeuvre. Can you imagine the fireworks if we managed to pull that deal off?

This is another red flag issue… if you wait 4 weeks and Juve miraculously find the cash, you are fucked, because no one else will deal.

How long do you wait for your primary targets?

What does it cost you?

Can you afford to go into a season with either of those two positions vacant?

Transfer windows for clubs like Arsenal are a moving target. There are so many variables. The job of Edu is to manage them to perfection. So far, he hasn’t always delivered, so this summer is huge.

… one thing we can say about Edu though, he doesn’t sit on money, and he will find players. Not always the players you want, but he finds them.

Arsenal play Rangers today. I’m expecting a sexier performance than the one we saw in the week, but again, calm down, it’s just a friendly.

Before I go… no one told me the new home kit had hooped socks. I am absolutely going full kit on this. Imagine me rolling to a meeting near you soon, wearing these like Payne-Stewart-plus-fours.

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  1. Marc

    China

    Nah you should have used it as a lesson in “don’t always take what someone in authority says as gospel”

    On the other hand in China that might not be such a good idea!

  2. Rich

    China1

    If the picture of the cow-man was good, then I hope you gave him an A+, he was only doing what you asked

    I got kicked out of two schools, and the second school I got kicked out of, even though I probably should have got the boot before this, I thought the final reason was quite tame

    I hated my English teacher and a few other teachers, and he told us to write a short story, and we could write whatever we wanted

    So I wrote a story about going on a mass killing spree against all the teachers I disliked

    He gave me a D- and wrote, I find this very disturbing, even though my spelling and punctuation was good, which as far as I’m concerned, really just showed the agenda driven bias

    Then my Mam got called in, and that was the end of that particular adventure

  3. Mark

    So Arsenal have gone from a team that posters thought needed just 3-4 decent additions to compete. Then even after having a big say in which players stayed and played last year and a TW of his choice (waiting for Aouar).

    Despite getting to spend £50m+ on a shiny new defender and supposedly more cash on midfielders and a keeper, those who follow the Generational one seem to have very little faith in his abilities to progress us. 🤔🤔

    Such reluctance to truly get behind their man. I mean surely after being in place this length of time, getting financial backing to get the players he wants ( remember there are plenty of ways to spend £50m…) and they don’t feel it’s realistic that Arteta be expected to challenge for top 4!!!

    FFS. Isn’t a good manager able to get more from the sum of parts he has. So it shouldn’t be about how Other teams will strengthen.

    By that logic how did Leeds cone up and finish where they did in their 1st season? The existing premier League teams would have all strengthened. They had a bloody good manager, that’s why.

    The excuses are starting already. Why what is it about Arteta that has you lot do hoodwinked. Is it cos Pedro says so too?

  4. Peckobill

    Bob
    Regarding the timeline of delivering champions league football I don’t think in that interview arteta says “ Stan you’ll have well popped your clogs but josh you never know you might get to see it

  5. Marc

    I’d just like to emphasize to Pedro that whilst I agree with Mark’s post that’s not me it’s some who can’t spell Marc.

  6. Rambo

    So what if Arteta is sacked? They’re gonna replace him with another tw@t. On the remote possibility they manage to hire a good one, he’ll still not have resources to turn around the Arsenal Titanic.

  7. andy1886

    The idea that our squad is so much worse relative to the top four now than it was with the previous manager is laughable.

    Emery massively over achieved by coming fifth – and got sacked.

    How do you thing Arteta would have done with his side?

    Leno
    Bellerin (rubbish apparently)
    Mustafi (do I even need to ask?)
    Papa Sok (not even registered by MA)
    Kola (see Mustafi above)
    Xhaka (anyone want to keep him?)
    Guendouzi/Torreira (MA doesn’t rate either of them)
    Iwobi (really?)
    Ozil (semi-retired)
    Laca (very average)
    Auba (actually performed well pre-Arteta)

    These are are most used XI when we finished 5th. Tell me honestly that under MA that isn’t a team in the bottom half.

  8. Matt

    Bob is on a wind up. It’s the only explanation.

    ‘It wasn’t a choice that we didn’t finish in the EL places.

    You don’t say!!

  9. Wengaball

    Marc

    That FA Cup trophy is the sole reason Tets is still in a job.

    —-
    Eagle – no. The sole reason he is still in the job is he did the dirty work and got the team to agree to a pay cut – the only team in the PL to do that btw – and then sidelined the one player that objected. He is Josh’s henchman.

    People blame Özil for taking the money without paying – well I was shunted out of the team because I disagreed to a paycut, I’d probably do exactly the same. Extract every last penny owed to me.

  10. China1

    Rich cow man got him points, I couldn’t not give him that. Also imagine the poor lad taking his final test hone to his mum with 0 marks and his mum is looking at it and is like why the fuck did you draw a bipedal cow in human clothes??? I couldn’t put him through the shame of trying to justify that!

    And yeah I also got in trouble when I was 16 for the same kinda thing. It was GCSE coursework and the title was ‘write about how this passage from abc Shakespeare book causes tension’. So I wrote just 1 paragraph explaining that I saw there were some literary tools used for the purpose of tension but that I felt absolutely none.

    My parents got called into the school and I was told to either write it again or accept a low grade for that piece. Thankfully my parents are cool AF and didn’t mind me saying I’ll take the low score actually lol

  11. Bob N16

    Pecko, fair point.

    The issue is not just with the manager’s competence it’s clearly also with the owners!

    Mark, not sure who is ‘hoodwinked’ within the support, every Arsenal fan I know has reservations around Arteta’s continued employment. I think the ownership could be the one’s who have been hoodwinked who mayagain have to reflect on their own competence not just on their appointees. I hope I’m wrong but I’m not confident.

  12. Kroenkephobe

    How happy would you be to hear the headline “Mikel Arteta sleeps with the fishes

    Hi Marc, A bit drastic maybe seeing as he’s a former player! Although ask me again if he’s still stalking the touchline in October….

    Maybe change it to coaches the fishes and he can fuck off to Grimsby Town and manage them.

  13. Kroenkephobe

    Let’s keep this season predictor narrative nice and simple. Fourth or higher. No judgment on the domestic cups but bully for everyone if we do well in either of thosr. This season has to be all about CL qualification – non negotiable.

  14. Rich

    Pedro should do a “Hot Takes” comments page, the day before the season kicks off

    Personal expectation, minimum requirement
    *League finish
    * Total points
    * Goals scored
    * Goals conceded
    * FA Cup prediction round + eventual winner
    * League Cup prediction round + eventual winner
    * Final top 4
    * 3 Relegated teams

    Personal opinion on where we’ll finish in relation to those expectations

    *League finish
    * Total points
    * Goals scored
    * Goals conceded
    * FA Cup prediction round + eventual winner
    * League Cup prediction round + eventual winner
    * Final top 4
    * Relegated teams

  15. Marc

    Rich

    Yeah I think a few would be up for that – although not sure we it’ll happen because it’s against the religion of those who follow the Holy Prophet Mikel and the “Order of the Excuse”.

  16. Tom

    My favorite new angle on why Arteta shouldn’t be sacked if he underperformed has to be the who else is out there angle and why would they come here.

    So apparently Arsenal are/have been at a crossroads but the only person who can/will do the job of guiding the club onto the right path is the guy with no record of ever having done so.

    Also, he makes £5million per year which obviously would be too much money to waste by sacking him, but paying £50m for a defender to satisfy his whims — universally agreed as about the entirety of Arteta’s Arsenal contract worth too much— is characterized as money well spent, or a drop in a bucket.
    You literally couldn’t make it up if you tried.
    No wonder religions are still going strongly even in this day and age.

    Arteta’s Arsenal contract over three years —£15m
    Willian’s Arsenal contract over three years — £31m
    One is considered the savior , the other a momentary lapse of judgment.

    Praise The Lord!

  17. Mark

    Bob , I used Leeds as an example as to why I don’t feel that taking into consideration other teams strengthening, could be used to lower our expectations for our club.

    With a good manager and a plan, teams can outperform other teams. If said manager can build belief within the team and a winning mentality. This usually comes when players buy in to the manager’s philosophy.

    The fact that so many pieces that were integral to Arteta’s team/philosophy last season want out, and now Tet’s saying he needs a wholesale clear out. What does that say to you about the plan and the Man?

    Even with Arteta having the opportunity to mould the team in his image, all I’ve seen so far are overpriced obsessive. desires and a waste of resources that were actually at his disposal. ie. Mavro/Saliba .

    Added to bland and unimaginative links to players or ones that don’t really want see us as their 1st choice.

    There’s been a few names I thought were interesting and should pursue further, Perreira WBA. Meet Muldur, Koopermiers etc. Players that are cheaper and have higher ceilings and resale value.

  18. Marc

    Tom

    You missed the irony of that’s exactly what the AKB’s used to say with regards to getting shot of Wenger – pretty much the foundation of Le Grove.

  19. Mark

    But I somehow doubt the ability of Artedu to complete these without selling. Would love to be wrong and I still keep an eye on the transfer rumours.

  20. Rich

    Marc

    It’s too far out to do it now, but would certainly be something interesting to come back too

    As we stand, I think we’d be looking at another 8th place finish, or maybe slightly worse, we’re already weaker, and clubs around us a little bit stronger

    A few astute adjustments in the right areas, can see us push some fine margins in our favour on a more consistent basis

    Arteta the coach doesn’t stress me out like you, it’s Arteta the manager who worries me

    I’m more concerned we’ll screw up our recruitment, replace overpaid dross, with more overpaid dross, and also fail to address imbalances and internal competitiveness of our squad

    Managers come and go, but screwing up our recruitment will have much more severe consequences in the medium term, because unless we put a good project together, then I think we’ll lose Saka

    I try not to let Arsenal upset me too much, but the thought of Saka playing for City, really gets my blood boiling

  21. Mark

    Cheers Sly.

    It’s unreal that people shouldn’t be expecting our’generational’ manager to be challenging for top four?? When did it suddenly become about who’s got the best squad (on paper) or most cash.

    A top manager is supposed to bridge the gap between expensive squads , with great tactical skill and in game management. What the fuck makes Arteta generational then, his hair?

    Too many excuses and passes given for the undeserved, makes me wanna puke.

  22. Bob N16

    Fair enough Mark, we should all wait and see who we get in before we get too carried away with predictions/expectations.

    I think we’d all agree that if we had an experienced, proven manager we would be in a much better place but Arteta was chosen as a ‘project manager’ and the owners, in their wisdom(!) have decided he should be given sufficient funds and more time to realise his vision.

    I hope for the best but I’m not too hopeful, if we do get an additional 2/3 first teamers to add to White then we must show a significant improvement, no excuses. I would hold back from saying we have to get top 4 though!

  23. PhD2020

    China1July 17, 2021 17:26:05
    Weagle

    I met my wife at uni in Bristol and her student visa was going to expire a few months after finishing her masters. Contrary to popular belief it was incredibly hard to find a job to get her a work visa (extremely stringent rules for non EU citizens at the time). I was still a student and couldn’t earn enough on the side to sponsor her on a partner visa. Marriage would’ve been too soon and even then wouldn’t resolve her visa status without me earning enough.So I decided to go back with her, finish my masters here and do whatever job would get me a visa in the mean time (teaching English was the easy choice). The plan was just for 1-2 years but 7.5 years and a kid later… plans change I guess lol

    ——

    Your story is one of the few that had a happy ending… 🙂

    I know of a similar story, that ended in not such happy circumstances.

    The story:-

    Female from PRC-a product of the one child policy,daughter of a senior government official back in the PRC,travels to London to study for a Masters at a top tier university.

    In between,meets a guy from Latin America-who’s studying for his PhD at a top two tier university.

    They meet,their combined passion is salsa dancing and travelling.That’s how they became partners.

    Four years of courtship..

    He get’s an offer from Oxford University,ANU and MIT to take up a post-doctoral position.

    She tells him no…”You will come back to the PRC with me. Turn down Oxford,ANU and MIT.”

    He says: ‘Ok’..So proceeds to apply for a post doctoral position in the PRC.
    Secures a post-doctoral position at a top university in the PRC after finalising his PhD in the UK.

    All set to go,she’s finalising her Master’s,has had a fun fulfillled four years in the UK, enjoyed the boyfriend experience, taken in the culture, the myriad of trips across the UK and Europe with Mr Latin America,sampled the UK &European culture,made many friends.

    Won countless salsa competitions with Mr Latin American man.Literally theyy were siamese twins.

    They talked of marriage and children back in the PRC..

    All set to go..Everything in place.Job lined in the PRC for Latin American Man.

    The government official father summons the mother in the PRC to travel to London,to chaperone the daughter upon her graduation and make sure-she’s returned back without PhD-Latin American man.

    Literally every day the mum slept in the room with her daughter and escorted her to the library every single day and back.They ate,slept in the same room and went on trips together,until her exams were finalised and done.

    Then straight onto the plane back to the PRC.

    In between-Mr Latin American man,in order to communicate with her,had to pass paper messages via a friend of hers.

    In the end,he met the mother-showed his true, honourable intentions towards her daughter.Gave the mother a letter.Her response-she tore up his letter in his face.And told him not to contact the daughter ever again.

    Next day,after the girl had finished her exams-straight back on the plane from London to the PRC with the mother.

    Him,he secured another post doctoral position elsewhere,not in the PRC as what was intended.

    He gave up Oxford,ANU,MIT for her.

    And she turned around and hot tailed it to the PRC.4-5 years of courtship, and her only intention was to enjoy the London -Western experience during that time frame.

    A tale, which did not end on a great note for him.

    So China,you were lucky-compared to that guy.

    Very lucky.

  24. Sly

    Agreed Mark
    The team does need some rebuilding but putting the blocks together requires innovation and skill
    The lumbering process artedu are taking us through belies a lack of ability they’ve already shown us over the last 18 months
    The TW rumors so far have been pretty spot on so unless there’s a link we haven’t heard of all the cards appear to be on the table which only leads us to the same conclusion
    The emperor is clueless

  25. Mark

    I don’t think anyone expects top four. As someone mentioned earlier it’s all about context, if we don’t reach it, how did we perform. If we did well but others just had brilliant seasons, I don’t think anyone will be calling for his head.

    If there’s clear improvement in the results and style of play. Consistent team selection based on merit not favourites etc etc then most will be happy to continue.

    However the expectation should be top four at the least, the expectation and target set!! Then depending on where we finished and how we finished, then you can decide whether to stick or get rid of him.

  26. Marc

    I don’t remember at any point when Arteta being appointed was being discussed – whether before Emery was or as his replacement – that going into a severe downturn would be part of the process or a natural progression of his appointment.

    If someone had told us Arteta being appointed would lead to what we’ve seen the last 18 odd months no one would’ve thought it was a good idea.

  27. PhD2020

    TR7July 17, 2021 19:09:21
    PhD/WE

    —-
    Thanks for the link TR7.

    I’m just 1 min:36 seconds into the clip..

    Geez,he whips that backhand like it’s a forehand shot.

    Amazing…

  28. Bob N16

    Agree Marc, it’s been underwhelming so far and many of us would have welcomed Arteta’s removal last season. That didn’t happen and he’s on thin ice!

  29. PhD2020

    TR7July 17, 2021 19:09:21
    —–
    His backhand is more complete than Federer’s in a way.

    Has a venomous bite to it.But the way he hits it-like a reverse forehand top spin,with the follow through.

    Not seen a backhand shot or swing like this before to be honest.

  30. TR7

    PhD

    Man I love that backhand…what flamboyance and swagger !! He hits them from such angles that he leaves his opponent totally flummoxed. He nearly beat Djoker in Wimbledon SF. The guy is different from the rest of the gen next. I will keep an eye on him.

  31. PhD2020

    TR7July 17, 2021 19:09:21

    Also,he opens up his body well,to be in that position to execute those devastating backhand shots.And he’s on top of the ball.Hitting it directly on the rise.
    The timing to execute it, like from a reverse forehand position.

    Nice link dude. Appreciated that.

    PS
    I don’t know what do you think?

  32. PhD2020

    TR7July 17, 2021 19:25:28
    Yeah his backhand is almost like a lofted straight/on drive shot in cricket.

    —–
    Haha..Don’t tell me…

    Reminded of you…Wait for it,maybe…..

    The great…
    “Sachin Tendulkar?”

  33. TR7

    PhD

    No, Brian Lara.

    Lara used to have this huge back lift and trigger movement in case you have watched him play. Imagine Lara moving back and across and hitting a lofted on drive with a nice follow through (high elbow). I am not sure whether I am making sense here with my analogy/comparison. Nonetheless breathtaking backhand, never seen something like this before.

  34. PhD2020

    SidJuly 17, 2021 19:29:15
    Curious about the latin America guy,
    was he brancos, pardos, pretos or amarelos

    ——-
    Lol Sid..

    I don’t know…

    But had to google your terms..So,think he was more Pardos, maybe Amarelos.
    I don’t know.But a very cool guy nonetheless.

    Can’t believe,I’ve answered that…
    Smh.

    He looked like Varane if anything.Not sure,if that answers your question.

  35. PhD2020

    TR7July 17, 2021 19:41:02

    No, Brian Lara.Lara used to have this huge back lift and trigger movement in case you have watched him play. Imagine Lara moving back and across and hitting a lofted on drive with a nice follow through (high elbow). I am not sure whether I am making sense here with my analogy/comparison. Nonetheless breathtaking backhand, never seen something like this before.

    ——
    Haha,you blind sided me there..

    Yep,know of Lara.

    Yep,you’re making sense.Can visualise it-the movements you’ve described.

    Did he used to make either a step back or a step to the side maybe for that lofty shot?

    His foot movement,putting him in play to make those shots?

    PS
    He was Dwight Yorke’s partner in crime-non?

  36. TR7

    PhD

    Step back but not 180 degree, a bit slanted. Due to his unique feet and body movement he could hit shots that others could only dream of. And for me and I guess majority of cricket fans he remains the most swashbuckling and asthetically pleasing batsman ever.

    Shapovalov too opens.us his body so that he can generate a lot of power behind his backhand and his hand moves a bit like Lara when he hits those backhands.

  37. PhD2020

    TR7July 17, 2021 19:23:06
    PhDMan I love that backhand…what flamboyance and swagger !! He hits them from such angles that he leaves his opponent totally flummoxed. He nearly beat Djoker in Wimbledon SF. The guy is different from the rest of the gen next. I will keep an eye on him.

    ——-
    And single-handed as well.

    Incredible.

    So hard to perfect that shot with a single-handed back swing.
    Geez..Certainly will be following him.

  38. PhD2020

    TR7July 17, 2021 19:58:40

    And for me and I guess majority of cricket fans he remains the most swashbuckling and asthetically pleasing batsman ever.
    ——

    Very true.
    Can’t dispute that.The strokes from Lara.

    How does Sachin Tendulkar rate in comparison?

    ——-
    TR7July 17, 2021 19:58:40
    Shapovalov too opens.us his body so that he can generate a lot of power behind his backhand and his hand moves a bit like Lara when he hits those backhands.

    —–
    But you know it’s: 1) The anticipation. 2) The foot movement 3) The open body and the racket up and face open at all times and the racket high to time the hit-hitting that sweet spot consistently with the follow through.

  39. TR7

    PhD

    Sachin was more of a text book batsman with an impeccable technique whereas Lara was very unorthodox in his style. Both unbelievable players though. I think Sachin and Dravid were two of the most technically sound batsmen of their era. For me Lara, Sachin, Dravid, Ponting and Kallis were the best 5 batsmen of their era in that order.

  40. MD-Gunner

    My prediction Arteta the first PL manager to be sacked because of:
    Brentford A – 1
    Chelsea H – 0
    City A – 0
    Norwich H – 3
    Burnley A – 1
    Spud’s H – 1
    The special sauce in action. Of course this could change depending on who will replace Xhaka and who will be the creative midfielder.

  41. PhD2020

    TR7July 17, 2021 20:22:43
    Sachin was more of a text book batsman with an impeccable technique whereas Lara was very unorthodox in his style. Both unbelievable players though. I think Sachin and Dravid were two of the most technically sound batsmen of their era. For me Lara, Sachin, Dravid, Ponting and Kallis were the best 5 batsmen of their era in that order.
    —–
    Got you.

    Never really thought of Sachin in that context-being a text book batsman.
    Kind of interesting to view it from your lens.

    And Lara being unorthodox in his style.Granted there was a style and grace to his batting. A bit of a smooth operator on the batting front.

    Yep,can see your points totally.

    Wow,quite interesting to hear your thoughts altogether with regards to the batting. greats.

    Love your input….

    PS
    By the way, loved this simple but great comment by you the other day….

    TR7July 16, 2021 14:09:31
    “Also I am curious to know how can a wave travel from Europa to Asia to Australia within no time but can’t travel to Shanghai and Beijing from Wuhan. What is the magic formula?”

  42. MD-Gunner

    In addition Sp*ds having a new manager that is better than the saucy one and Arsenal hasn’t finished above Sp*ds since 2016. Tht alone is reason enough to bid farewell to Tets by X-Mas.

  43. Crimson

    Without looking at the comments. I know what everyone is saying.
    Buy him
    Sell him
    He is awful
    Bad management
    In fighting between posters
    Bland banal idiotic comments

  44. Leftside

    Wenger was sold once he no longer could get CL, Emery was an Auba penalty and EL final away from CL. Arteta came in before the new year and we finished 8th, then he finished 8th with a full season, why should he be afforded different treatment? He has to deliver the top 4 or send him on his way.

    Once you get in a midtable battle it is hard to get out of it.

  45. Crimson

    As thought… sid is still being an obnoxious infection..
    Marks are talking sort of sense
    It’s painful reading this, as much as our set piece defending.

  46. PhD2020

    TR7
    Who’s your favourite bowlers?

    I’m putting it out there,in no specific order.

    Muttiah Muralitharan?

    Curtly Ambrose?

    Shane Warne?

    Shoaib Akhtar-“The Rawalpindi Express?”

    Wasim Akram?

    Glenn McGrath?

    Who’s your favourite,if ,or if not included in the list?

  47. PhD2020

    CrimsonJuly 17, 2021 21:23:33
    Anil kumble and Monty Panesar
    —–
    Good shout on the Monty Panesar.To be fair,not aware of Anil Kumble.-my bad.. 🙁

    ——-

    Bob N16July 17, 2021 21:26:26
    Malcolm Marshall, no question.
    ——–
    Certainly up there.A good shout also.

  48. Bob N16

    Best opening batsmen: Greenidge, Barry Richards, Sunil Gavaskar
    Middle order: Viv Richards, Sachin Tendulkar, Ricky Ponting
    All rounder: Gary Sobers
    Wicket keeper: Adam Gilchrist, Kumamoto Sangakarra
    Fast Bowlers: Marshall, McGrath, Wasim Akram, Richard Hadlee
    Spinners: Murali, Warne

    More than 11 but choices too tight to call!

  49. PhD2020

    Bob N16July 17, 2021 21:32:33
    Best opening batsmen: Greenidge, Barry Richards, Sunil Gavaskar
    Middle order: Viv Richards, Sachin Tendulkar, Ricky Ponting
    All rounder: Gary Sobers
    Wicket keeper: Adam Gilchrist, Kumamoto Sangakarra
    Fast Bowlers: Marshall, McGrath, Wasim Akram, Richard Hadlee
    Spinners: Murali, Warne

    —–
    Wow,what a list…

    Where would you put Ian Botham as an all rounder in the list?

    And Viv Richards in terms of the best technical batsman-alongside Brian Lara & Sachin Tendulkar?

  50. Marc

    PhD

    Surely a conversation about what form of execution is most painful is more entertaining than talking about cricket.

    It’d also be more practical.

  51. Bob N16

    Imran Khan could have made the list, excellent Captain as well!
    A young Ian Botham won many games on his own, main black mark was that he struggled against West Indies, best team of his generation.

  52. Marc

    Crimson

    The papers are starting to shit stir around Kane as well. There was a piece today about Kane apparently considering refusing to return to training unless the Spud’s agree to sell him.

    Probably click bait but it’s good click bait.

  53. PhD2020

    MarcJuly 17, 2021 21:42:10
    PhD

    Surely a conversation about what form of execution is most painful is more entertaining than talking about cricket.

    It’d also be more practical.
    —-
    Bemoaning Arsenal’s current woes on a perpetual basis.

    Rather shift the topic….

    Let’s see how the transfer window plays out,and take in a 1-2 month assessment period followed by the Christmas-half term examination.

    Pointless, frothing and foaming at the mouth pre-season.

    Hold your fire dude and keep your powder dry.Plenty to unleash at the right time.

  54. Pierre

    Of the ten outfield players on the pitch for the last half an hour v rangers today, Tierney (and maybe chambers)is possibly the only one who will be at the club by the end of the window if Arteta has his way.

    Bellerin…looking for a buyer
    Kolasinac…going
    Willock…?
    Eddie …going
    Nelson.. going
    Willian …looking for a buyer
    Lacazette …looking for a buyer
    AMN…going

    Very difficult to build team spirit with players who’s minds are somewhere else….
    ..

  55. Rich

    8 days until the next game against Inter Milan, hopefully a game where Bellerin lines up against his former club, after a permanent transfer, and we’ve also tied up a few more loose ends

    Not sure what happened to Bellerin, he was easily a £50 million right back a while back, but was regressing before his injury, we’d be lucky to get £15 million for him now

    27 days until Brentford, we’re not at panic stations yet, but would be nice to see a few pieces falling into place over the next 2 weeks

  56. Tom

    “You know things are bad when cricket becomes the topic of conversation.“

    Marc, agree. No sport named after an ungainly looking bug is worth discussing on a football blog.
    Switching gears…….Maradona’s hand of god goal an example of cheating , refereeing ineptitude, or justice served ……….your take on it.

  57. Marc

    Tom

    “an example of cheating , refereeing ineptitude,” Both – I would have sent an SAS team to chop the fuckers hand off so his corpse was found with it shoved up his arse.

    I have been known to be a bad loser on occasions though.

  58. PhD2020

    TomJuly 17, 2021 21:52:58

    Switching gears…….Maradona’s hand of god goal an example of cheating , refereeing ineptitude, or justice served ……….your take on it.
    ———-
    Yeah….Course-correcting……

    What the heck happened to the Chicago Bulls and the Chicago Bears?

    Bull and Bear market… 🙂

  59. Rich

    Pierre

    Completely agree, but can also understand why Arteta doesn’t want to completely alienate so many in the squad

    Keep your enemies close, at least until you get a clear shot to shoot them in the back of the head

  60. Tom

    Ok, this was a loaded question prompted by mine recent rewatching of that entire game in its original BBC broadcast
    I’m talking in particular about the Fenwick elbow on Maradona in the 40th minute of the first half, something I obviously always knew about but hearing the English commentator describe it upon seeing the replay made me laugh.

    As clear an elbow to face off the ball as you’ll ever see was described as Maradona play acting, running into Fenwick from behind as he was just minding his business.
    Fenwick was on a yellow already so even by the most lenient of standards he would’ve been gone had the ref seen the play.

    So from a neutral point of view I’d say it’s all three.

  61. Tom

    Crimson, and by nobody you mean half the Legrove English bloc who just about a week ago justified Sterling’s dive by bringing it up ?

  62. PhD2020

    PierreJuly 17, 2021 21:52:34
    Very difficult to build team spirit with players who’s minds are somewhere else….
    —–
    Especially with no player names on the back of the shirts.

    Most do well for morale in the team.Great camaraderie.All for one and one for all team spirit.

    Players must be thinking:”Am I out or am I in for this season.”

    Having players on tenterhooks in pre-season…lol

    Rather than bedding in, conditioning, improving fitness and setting out and trialing out patterns and formations of play.

    Nope,let the mind games begin in a pre-season friendly.No names on the back of the shirts.
    ‘You’ll earn your place’-that seems to be the message.A possible non-negotiable act implemented by Diet Pepe.

    Should call us the Man City’B’ Team, operating a 7-11 or a local convenience Londis store, managed and coached by a saturated, polluted, inexperienced, dictatorial version of Pepe Guardiola.

    Has this happened before under Emery or Arsene in pre-season,with no player’s names on the back of their shirts?

    I’m curious to know this.

    It’s the little details that reveal a heck of a lot more.

  63. Crimson

    Rich, yep interesting
    Gabriel on the left
    White on the right
    Spraying balls
    Both have pace and good interceptions. Can see what arteta is thinking. But…..

  64. raptora

    @PurelyFootball:”If there is no agreement between Juve and Sassuolo, Locatelli will stay. He doesn’t want to go to Arsenal. @FabDellaValle”

    Just move on and get #2 in line.

    It’s obvious we are not a very attractive club right now, finishing 8th and 8th, no euro football, with a rookie manager at the helm and our Summer has been underwhelming, with our marquee signing a CB 95% of all Arsenal fans haven’t really noticed, so there will be players who will decline coming here.

    There are other players like Aouar, Anguissa, Bissouma, Neves. Just make a decision and swiftly.

  65. Champagne Charlie

    Phd
    You’re trying far too hard. You could’ve sought the answer to whether ‘no names’ has occurred before, but instead you found the idea of germinating another negative spiel all the more appealing. Quick retraction, you can dust yourself off for the next reach. Maybe numbers on shorts? Absence of numbers on shorts screams concentration camp.

    Raptora
    Mention player power 🤡

  66. PhD2020

    Champagne CharlieJuly 17, 2021 23:38:46
    Phd
    You’re trying far too hard. You could’ve sought the answer to whether ‘no names’ has occurred before, but instead you found the idea of germinating another negative spiel all the more appealing. Quick retraction, you can dust yourself off for the next reach. Maybe numbers on shorts? Absence of numbers on shorts screams concentration camp.

    —-
    I get your point.

    At least I own it.Rather than doubling down.

  67. PhD2020

    Champagne CharlieJuly 17, 2021 23:38:46
    Maybe numbers on shorts?
    Absence of numbers on shorts screams concentration camp.

    —-
    That was funny to be fair..

  68. Champagne Charlie

    Phd

    Fact you own it is to your credit without question, but maybe leave the fabrication of drama to the pros on here like Val.

    Anyway, have a good evening, sooner we have something new to digest the better. Pre-season is dull as dishwater without significant new faces. Ruben Neves bid to be reported midweek.

  69. PhD2020

    Champagne CharlieJuly 17, 2021 23:38:46

    but instead you found the idea of germinating another negative spiel all the more appealing.

    ——-

    Almost three years of germinating the idea on this blog,that Arteta was the next generational sauce-right?

    Trying too hard to make way for the next messiah,with no previous managerial track record?

    Excuse me,for offering up my opinions and being a ‘try hard’ according to you.

    I’ll happily eat my hat at the end of the season,if Arteta delivers-will you?

    Apologies to all and sundry for posting incessantly during the last month over a myriad of topics.

    I’ll make way for CC to have his platform and entertain us with his thoughts on Arteta,Xhaka,Ben White, transfers and Arsenal’s EPL placing come the end of the season.

    I will shut my mouth-bar the Olympics.

    The floor is yours CC.

  70. Pierre

    It will prove very difficukt to defend our own penalty box from dead ball situations without

    1) a goalkerper who dominates his area.
    .
    2) defenders who attack the ball in the air.

    3) height and physique in our team .

    A new defensive set piece coach will only be able to do so much as will the 2 centre backs.

    From corners , a defence needs at least 4 accomplished headers of a ball
    One on the near post
    2 centrally
    One on the far post..

    Arsenal , at this present time , have very few players who have the hunger and desire to win the ball in the air .
    Holding and Gabriel are probably our best, Xhaka was our best midfielder in the air but he’s going , our strikers or wide players are not strong in the air and our full backs are average.

    So i can forsee problems , especially if Ben White is one of our centre backs as he is not recognised as particularly strong in the air , plus Leno doesn’t dominate his area.

  71. MD-Gunner

    Maradona’s hand of God goal!

    After Sterling’s dive in the Denmark semi it is very clear now that Maradona perfectly headed the ball into the net, end of story and after that semi the complaining by the Brits about cheating has been revoked.

  72. gnarleygeorge9

    Pedro

    Ive seen this club scenario before. A young ‘coach’ plucked from the obscurity of that era’s leading club, who knows what he wants, is given time to put his vision into place, with broad changes/upgrades to suit his vision. It ends with multiple trophys.

    But for that vision to work, a marquee player with X factor is needed to elevate the club above its opposition during crucial periods of battle &/campaign. The Arsenal should pull out all stops to get Grealish. Fuck good business ethics theory, the kids will buy the top, we’ll all feel good about visiting the Armoury again (when next in Norf London). Signing Grealish would be the cream on top. Come on Stan, make it happen!!!!

  73. PhD2020

    Champagne CharlieJuly 17, 2021 23:38:46
    Phd
    You’re trying far too hard.
    ——-
    Dude-your butt licking of Ped’s over a significant time period-rather than being “cringe worthy” is the epitome of “trying too hard.”

    CC:”Ped’s what’s your take on transfers?”
    CC:”Ped’s,is Arteta being backed in the transfer window.?”
    CC:”Peds why don’t you try Twitch Hot Tub Streams?”

    Let’s not talk about your MIA,when Arsenal were going through a disastrous won of results under Arteta during the last season.Not a peep,nor a squeal from your quarter.Out of sight.Could not see you for dust,only to appear and cite:”You were busy” to paraphrase you.

    Suddenly, a run of positive results towards the end of the season,come being dumped out of Europa(against your nemesis-Emery),with nothing to play for and you’re giving it the big time -“Billy Bollocks.”

    Talk about:”Trying too hard?”

    Have a look in the mirror dude.

    No offence,but you can’t bully people with your stance,without looking in the mirror.

  74. TR7

    PhD

    All time top 6 fast bowlers : Denis Lilee, Malcom Marshall, Wasim Akram, Curtley Ambrose, Glenn McGrath and Dale Steyn

    Wasim easily the most skillful fast bowler ever, truly a magician. He could bowl 6 different deliveries in an over. Was great with the new ball but absolutely lethal with the old ball.

    Glenn McGrath was perhaps the only bowler who troubled every top batsmen of his era. Nobody liked batting against him. Absolutely unbelievable control over line and length. Used to keep the ball in what is called ‘the corridor of uncertainty’ for batsmen. He obviously did not bowl to Ponting but he troubled the other 4 high calibre batsmen of his era – Sachin, Lara, Dravid and Kallis.

    Marshall had an amazing strike rate and average both home and away. In terms of pure numbers he is unmatched.

    You ask any batsmen from 70’s and 80’s who was the toughest bowler they faced and invariably everyone would say Denis Lilee. Mind you in that era there were many great fast bowlers – Marshall, Garner, Roberts, Holding, Colin Craft, Jeff Thomson, Denis Lilee, Richard Hedlee, Imran Khan, Ian Botham, Kapil Dev etc. yet Denis was a cut above the rest.

    Ambrose and Dale Steyn were fast, accurate and wicket takers. When they were in rhythm and in mood they were unplayable.

    Two fast bowlers who were exceptionally skilled and if not for injuries would have been in conversation for all time great fast bowlers – Shane Bond from Newzealand and Md Asif from Pakistan. They had very short careers but they were special.

    As for spinners everyone talks about Murali and Shane Warne. Murli was a chucker, should not have been allowed to bowl. Rules of the game were changed to allow him to continue to bowl. For me he should not have even played international cricket.

    Shane Warne again highly celebrated and perhaps rightly so but every good player of spin in his era dominated him. He got a lot of wickets against England, South Africa and Newzealand who were terrible against spin in the 90’s and early 2000’s. Indian and Sri Lankans who play spin well hit him all around the park. Brian Lara who was perhaps the best batsman against spin absolutely dominated him so much so he was dropped against West Indies during a test series.

  75. DivineSherlock

    TR7

    Dale Steyn was straight up venom . Ripping off jaws of Batsmen . Surreal to watch. Interesting list where do you think Stuart Broad or Jimmy Anderson rates on this ?

  76. Tony

    “Let’s keep this season predictor narrative nice and simple. Fourth or higher. No judgment on the domestic cups but bully for everyone if we do well in either of thosr. This season has to be all about CL qualification – non negotiable.”

    Totally agree with this K’phobe.

    Begrudgingly, I’ll give Arteta a clean slate to start the season for the first 10 games, which should be enough for Arteta to show he’s learnt from his mistakes and can finally demonstrate this elusive process Pedro, Arteta and the AKBs are so invested in.

    Why no Azeez yesterday?

    Why play players who either want out or the club wants to move on?

    As far as White is concerned I wouldn’t give it a second thought if our MF was sorted first and not use a wait and see approach for our MF targets.

    My argument with White is why pay £20 million over the odds for him for the little experience he brings to the club?

    Luiz was ok as a season stop gap, but let’s not kid ourselves about his aging skill sets needing replacing: he was a sulky prima donna who lost us points in his 2nd season he didn’t deserve to be signed for.

    Mavs, Saliba and Chambers combined are good enough to get us through this coming season not an £50 million kid still wet behind the ears who other PL teams know how to play against.

    I watched both BHA games last season and while I vaguely remember White; Dunk was their stand out CB.

    Maguire and Stones are both ‘donkey’ type defenders compared to VVD yet they are often talked about as peak Maldinis etc.

    When a person has endured a mental health issue, such as ADHD with a slight OCD attached or any form of a spectrum based brain (parts of) underdevelopment, it’s easy to recognise it in others.

    Arteta portrays various mental issues that leads him into making poor or just plain wrong decisions. How many times have we said it makes no sense what Arteta does during a game or the selection for the game? Do the other PL managers repeatedly make such errors with Arteta’s regularity?

    The honest answer is no!

    He wraps up a tough no-nonsense outwardly projected personality, which generally means he’s weak inside and needs to bully to get his point across, such as his non-negotiables and making Martinelli learn being kept on there bench to teach him a lesson he didn’t need in the first place.

    Those and many more poor personality behaviour patterns that have been often posted about here are not going to just fade into the distance unless medicated or the result of 100+ hours of therapy depending of how deep routed such personality disorders a person displays rest, and not counting the ones under the surface yet to come out.

    The fact that Arteta surrounds himself with extremely underwhelming assistant coaches, such as Steve Round: a Moyes reject, goes further to show how weak Arteta is where even if on the surface Arteta displays an unwavering, laser focussed determination for what he deems to be acceptable targets.

    How many of these personal targets has Arteta fulfilled? Just 1 FA cup in 18 months following his dogmatic and problem management throughout his employ..

    BobN16 before you condemn me to the ridicule you threw Marc’s way, this is not just another Arteta character assassination. It’s something I’ve watched closely as although I’m not a clinical psychiatrist, I’ve lived with and surrounded by mental issues most of my life from my father’s bullying brutality to my own aforementioned issues and that of my wife, son and daughters’ where treatment has worked wonders once their cocktail of meds had been worked out fit the issues.

    This gives me a fair amount of experience in recognizing issues in others very quickly through peoples’ actions, speech and body language. However, it doesn’t give me experience in how to treat such issues in people if such people genuinely actively seek out help because, as with addicts, it’s the same with mental health where sufferers have to want to get help by their own decisions.

    Arteta thinks he’s normal as most afflicted generally do: I didn’t accept my issues until I was 55.

    China1 I sincerely apologize if this brings desperately unhappy memories of your brother’s depressions, but I just felt that Arteta just gets pilloried for being so ill equipped (inexperience being one factor) to be a successful manager in never learning by mistakes and continually exercising poor judgements week in and week out because he has no idea what he’s doing.

    I can assure anyone reading this that Arteta 100% truly believes he’s doing the right thing – making the right decisions when the majority here see clearly other wise.

    When such decisions go horribly wrong Arteta just can’t understand why.

    The latter has been proved to be true, but I believe the reasoning behind why we are in such a managerial mess is that Arteta has treatable conditions that are being left untreated and unchecked. He may well be capable of being the next most successful manager if he seeks help.

    I’m sure I’m going to be ridiculed for my aforementioned thoughts, but I ask you all to think about people you know well and casually know and family/work members (sorry Bob not aimed at you) who you often wonder why they quite often or regularly perform in a certain way that is alien to the norm?

    I sincerely hope that White has a stellar career with us and becomes a FMcl/TA/MK/SC or SB type legend for us we’ve certainly needed such a defensive presence since Sol left.

    So, I’ll leave this post with this:

    If Arteta gets us to 4th or above, I’ll accept that Arteta has found a way to balance his issues, as I have done throughout my life gaining a good level of successes in diverse fields, and I’ll support him going forward whether I like him as a person or not.

    However, finishing anywhere outside CL placings even missing out by one point as Emery did, then he has to go.

    Arteta and Edu have had a full season to make this summer’s TW plans where midfield is the most important area needing high quality replacements.

    So far we’re spending £50 million we can’t really afford from the losses incurred since Covid on a CB. That to me has no logic nor does sending Saliba on another French league’s loan.

    If White doesn’t hit the ground running with continually hitting 7+/10 performances, does that mean he has to go on Saliba type loans for a couple, of years? White should be PL ready, so no excuses.

    That certainly doesn’t suggest that Arteta is using his elite saucy judgement, it does make me feel that we’re in for as similar season to the last error prone season with missed priorities and opportunities in bringing exactly what we need in midfield.

    Resigning more kids than Wenger did is one thing, using them is another with Arteta.

    I’ll make my early predictions just before the season kicks off and then again after 10 games.

    For now I’ll sit next to Bob N16 on the fence and live in hope rather than reality because it’s less pain to endure.

    I’ll also hope against hope that the fans fill the Emirates at the start of the season and that there 3rd UK wave dissipates as quickly as it started.

    Be well Gooners where ever you are.

  77. TR7

    Divine

    Jimmy was and still is absolutely fantastic when he can swing the ball. Give him the ball when it’s cloudy in England, Newzealand etc. he can wreck havoc. He can swing the ball both ways and both with white and red balls. His late inswinging and outswinging deliveries are absolutely lethal. But he is overly reliant on the pitch and weather conditions. Give him the ball in a sunny day in India, Sri Lanka etc. and he will look ordinary. This is why for me he is not an all time great bowler despite being the leading wicket taking fast bowler.

    Stuart Broad has also got an impressive record but like Anderson he struggled in conditions which were not conducive for fast bowlers. The likes of Wasim, McGrath etc.were a menace for batsmen in all conditions, a true marker of greatness in my opinion. Jimmy and Broad for me are a notch below the likes of Ambrose, McGrath, Wasim, Steyn etc.

  78. S Asoa

    Bob
    “Pecko, I would imagine that Arteta suggested that he would take Arsenal to the top 4, no idea what the timeline was. It’s up to the board to decide if he hasn’t delivered. I would have sacked him last season but that’s not really relevant! ”
    It was after 100 years after 2 generations die. That is the pointer to Arteta being a ” generational coach ”
    Guess the dog food seller’s argument is persistence ,I guess

  79. SAGG

    Locatelli is pushing Sassuolo for a deal with Juve no matter what. Arsenal shoul pull out and give the finger to Locatelli instead of waiting and waiting for a player that is not interested to come here.

    THERE IS A LOT OF GOOD CMs in Europe just bring one that wants to.come to Arsenal.

  80. Aussie+Gooner

    Tony

    “Arteta portrays various mental issues that leads him into making poor or just plain wrong decisions. How many times have we said it makes no sense what Arteta does during a game or the selection for the game? Do the other PL managers repeatedly make such errors with Arteta’s regularity?”

    This!

    How many times do you hear people calling for the heads of players that constantly make errors of judgement but are quite prepared to let the manager off the hook over and over?????

  81. Kroenkephobe

    Sid
    Baseball was more my game when I lived there but occasionally watched the Wizards. Never got to college hoops despite living next to Georgetown University.

    Cricket (which I love) and baseball are the best summer sports for me, not least because they enable sitting on one’s arse with a bevvy. I used to play as well in the various places that I worked including Argentina.

    Milwaukee is a top city for me. Properly blue collar and full of old and disused breweries. Any place whose baseball team is known as the brew crew must be doing something right. Pabst blue ribbon.

  82. Kroenkephobe

    Hiya Tony
    Off to Girona later today for the final leg of my residency bureaucracy. Flying’s not fun at the best of times but right now it’s like trying to negotiate Checkpoint Charlie in the 1970s. Still, marginally more amusung that watching us struggle against equally mediocre teams from north of the border.

    I’ll henceforth be known as Senyor (catalan version) Kroenkephobe.

  83. Pierre

    Tony.
    “I can assure anyone reading this that Arteta 100% truly believes he’s doing the right thing – making the right decisions when the majority here see clearly other wise.When such decisions go horribly wrong Arteta just can’t understand why.”

    Very interesting your thoughts on Arteta…and yet you and 99% of Le grove agreed (even celebrated)with his decision to omit Ozil from the squad and then spent the first half of last season bemoaning our lack of creativity.

    If you are consistent and honest in your opinion of Arteta , you ( and the others) would admit that the Ozil decision affected Arsenal where it mattered …ON THE PITCH, and would probably rank as the 2nd worst decision he has made at the club,
    1st is the sale of Martinez.

    With regard to Arteta’s mental issues , i have often wondered if Arteta contracting covid has affected him mentally, because his falling out with players and poor decision making only started after the first lockdown.

    Prior to the first lockdown , Arteta had no such problems with handling the players and there were no clashes of personalities …..none.

  84. Useroz

    Tony

    I don’t know if your observations are all clinical correct however with two docs in extended families would heard enough to agree at least to an underlying theme such patients have in common, namely, you can’t tell from looking at them and they don’t believe they have the conditions and could even be normal to various extent.

  85. Pierre

    The next major mistake will be allowing Willock to leave the club along with Eddie.

    These 2 have so much potential that it woukd be criminal to waste their talent just to bring in 30 odd million to help pay for the over priced Ben White.

    White may turn out to be a good player but he is a 20/25 million player at best

  86. Kroenkephobe

    Pierre
    Nice one – have to admire your chutzpah, patience and tautological skills.

    But Ozil – not necessarily the person and certainly not the occasional flash of talent – has been by far the worst signing this club has ever made. Forget the scores of others who have failed to impress – Ozil downed tools effectively and gave up being a professional. Our very own Winston Bogarde. Remember all those northern away games in the winter when old chihuahua head wrote him a sick note? Fucking pathetic.

    He’s not to blame for the symbolism, but Ozil paved the way for others to bleed money out of our club and destabilise it too – Mkhitaryan, Mustafi and Willian come to mind and there are worrying signs that Auba may be hitching his saddle to this depressing tale of greed, waste and lethargy.

    Come on Pierre – do you really do this to keep the pot boiling? I sometimes get the sense that you’re even more anti-Ozil that the rest of us.

  87. S Asoa

    Tony
    05-18-03

    Have done a Masters in Technology. Am bit of an introvert who likes to observe impassionately from outside, so reading up on psychology was my recreational. So do have a somewhat good understanding of mental problems. Agree with your assessment of Arteta’s mental health. If see my occasional posts in the past, had been indicating as much for over an year.
    Putting it in colloquial, was long time we rid the crackpot Arteta although it will cost the Club 5 million. In hereArteta is costing the Club hundreds of millions in unnecessary signings and devaluation of players and potential loss of irreplaceable assets, particularly from the Academy, by which, relax, do not mean Reis Nelson, Niketiah, and others with limited ceilings

  88. China1

    Don’t worry about white being overpriced

    Stan personally paid for him about of his own cash.

    Right?

    Right?

    Anyone?

    😓

  89. Tony

    Senyor
    Ola mia amigo.

    Really happy to hear you and Mrs Senyor are closing in on joining the very proud Catalonians. Of all Spain’s 5 original principalities Calaonia including Barcelona has a special blend of magic of old and new life.

    Wishing you health and happiness out there Senyor.

    Didn’t see the game as I thought it would be dull. Hopefully Florida is going to offer improved performances.

  90. China1

    It’s a little odd that during a period with greatly depressed transfer fees due to financial crisis in football, arsenal are targeting top end premium price players at prepandemic price points

    Eduteta could go to an everything must go sale with everything marked 50% off and still leave with a pair of slippers for £60 and think they got themselves a bargain

  91. Pierre

    Kroenkephobe

    I look at it purely from a football point of view.

    You say he was our worst ever signing ,, i say that we were trophyless for something like 8 seasons before he arrived and then things changed on his arrival …coincidence , only an obsessive woukd think that.

    You say he downed tools , i say he was a dominant factor in our 22 game unbeaten run when Emry first arrived athen Emery decided to play silly games with him and our performances and results suffered.

    Same with Arteta who was very complimentary about Ozil up until the first lockdown
    The team were the only unbeaten side domestically in europe in 2020 with Ozil an ever present .

    Of course Ozil never played again for Arsenal after lockdown l and how the team suffered with fans bemoaning our dreadful lack of creativity. ..

    So yes, i prefer to look at it from a purely foitball point of view , it was never Ozil’s decision not to play ,, he didn’t go on strike , he just wanted to play football for Arsenal football club but obviously he breached Arteta’s pathetic non negotiables for having the balls to question the pay cuts.

    .

  92. China1

    Also it’s a bit weird that now we’re trying to play tough about sales and haggling over every single million like it’s a game changer for us whilst simultaneously begging clubs to take as much money as they can for us for our key targets

  93. JayJay

    Mark
    What the fuck makes Arteta generational then, his hair?
    Pedro made him generational, that’s enough.
    Also can people talk about football on a football blog? Can’t stand that gayish cricket comments

  94. China1

    Do we care about money or do we not?

    If yes, someone needs to explain the comical White fee

    If not, someone needs to kick xhaka and go out the door and stop arsing around over a few extra pennies

  95. China1

    Eduteta could go to primark and somehow come out with a £300 plain white t-shirt

    It’s almost impressive how good they are at overspending

  96. Habesha Gooner

    We aren’t getting away from Locatelli it seems. I don’t know why we are unprepared. The player doesn’t want to join us. There are similar profile players around. They don’t have to cost money.

    Teun Koopmeiners is a very similar profile player to locatelli. He is also the captain for AZ alkmaar. He scores goals, he is reliable and can pass the ball very well. A free kick specialist too. He is not slow either. He is very similar in profile to Locatelli. 23 too. He was benched by Dejong and Wijnaldum at the euros. We need to find these type of players if our first targets aren’t coming here.

  97. JayJay

    Habesha
    You’re definitely right here, just one thing: we need £50 million signings so fraudteta can feel bit like pep before he gets a sack

  98. Kroenkephobe

    Pierre
    Cool. You make those points eloquently and they have some resonance but I just don’t buy the image of Ozil as an ingenu and misunderstood genius who always wanted to give his best for the team. Too many moments when he was MIA and the aura of ennui and cynicism that he gave off. A wasted talent and I think if he has any self-awareness he’ll be regretting it by now.

    Ya gunners ya – whatever the fuck that meant. He became a highly paid pest.