SATURDAY ROUND-UP

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This will just be a rapid round-up today because I spent many hours on that Ben White piece yesterday which everyone thought was the best thing they’ve ever read… in the world.

The Xhaka move is edging along at a snail’s pace. The latest from Italy is the deal will be announced at the end of the Euros. Fantastic if it happens, whatever the price.

Arsenal has nearly reached a deal with Mavropanos for a loan to perm move that could total £5m. Now, I understand that Europe is broke, but I cannot fathom why we can’t land more money than that for a player that is young, starting games in a good German side, who one of the best scouts in the world really rates. The only thing I can imagine here is the sell-on clause is something disgusting?

Let’s be honest, there’s a way to go before Arsenal are in Liverpool’s league for selling on duffers for mega-money.

The selling doesn’t stop there. Big rumours in Italy that Torreira is going to find his way to Lazio in a deal worth about £18m. Look, let’s be honest, he was a bit shit, Adam’s data proved out that he was the worst of our midfielders, I’m just happy to land a fee at this point. A misfire, but one you could tolerate because it looked clever and had data that sat behind it.

The dirty rumour that is doing the rounds is the Rob Holding is attracting a lot of interest from 5 Premier League clubs for his services. Now, I like Rob Holding, but the limitations are clear. Moving on a player of his standard is something Arsenal rarely do though. We ship out the best and the worst, but never players doing an above-average job. I’m not totally sold on this happening, but it wouldn’t surprise me because something has to give in that centre-back pile-up we have at the moment.

Any concerns that Pierre is going to take the gaming seat like Ozil did and bum around for his last 2 seasons has been put to the sword. Pictures emerged of him in Mykonos with their team getting some fitness practice in for the new season. I think there’s a really simple equation out there next season: Maintain the defensive solidity of last season and get Auba back to 25 goals and you are going to be right in the mixer for top 4. Auba very much performs to his xG. Give him chances and he will score. Fingers crossed he gets back to his best this summer.

Kieran Tierney, future captain, hero to the working glass, god on the left… has signed a new 5 year deal with Arsenal. I think this is a superb piece of news. If we’re looking for positive signs about the project at Arsenal, look no further than 1) We’re mostly tying down important players after 5 years of being very bad at that, Bravo to Edu 2) Players we want to keep are bought into whatever is going on at Arsenal. You can listen to the noise that says we’re making a grave error with our managerial approach, or you can look at who has put pen to paper… Saka, Martinelli, Tierney, Auba… next up, ESR.

FINALLY, Londoners can land themselves a covid jab at the stadium. So book here. Outside of being protected from a nasty virus, the main side-effect is feeling supremely smug about life. It takes a couple of weeks to hit peak… but honestly, what a feeling. Protect yourself and finally feel comfortable attending those cosplay events you’ve been missing you massive nerds.

See you in the comments. x

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The backpass

“I don’t believe we will buy Ramsdale as someone within the club will see sense .”

Sense? They appointed a rookie to manage arsenal and sacked the scouts and later wanted to loan a scout (Campos).

CG

From Ramsdale to Martinez within 18 months,

This process.

Priceless.

CG

Spurs having a better window than Arsenal and they aint even got a manager.

Terraloon

Here’s a little snippet for you

Prior to the commencement of this transfer window Including scholars Arsenal had 84 players

Valentin

Backpass,

Worse.
They sacked the scouts.
Give two over the hill Brazilians restauranteurs inflated contracts.
Hire At great expense a recruitment agency to find new scouts.
The agency told them they did not have a clue, but knew somebody who did.
Try to hire that specialist Campos as a consultant so he could tell them who to hire not knowing that he was on friendly terms with the original scout they sacked.

Valentin

Terraloon,

A few years ago, Chelsea had nearly that number of players on loan!

The issue is not necessarily the quantity, but the quality and profile of the players on the book.

Terraloon

Valentin

Chelsea at the same point in time had 93.

Add to Arsenals number that there were also 3 players on loan

Karsa

China

So supposedly we have 250m to spend but we’re struggling to get Lokonga over the line based on a disagreement of 2-3m for a player who is already dirt cheap…

It’s been suggested that the deal is on hold until Anderlecht sign a replacement. Anderlecht aren’t keen on being seen as desperate for a midfielder as the price will go up.

Batistuta

Lol Ramsdale. Nothing would really even surprise me at all

Batistuta

And it’s the Athletic reporting it so must be legs too

Terraloon

Seems Villa haven’t given up on ESR and the contract situation seems to be a factor

Batistuta

Oh and seems the ESR Villa thing isn’t just rumors or paper talk as most were having us believe

Bob N16

The Athletic has a good summing up of current targets. Couple of insights,

1) Brighton’s Technical Director old colleague of Garlick from WBA, which is helping discussions
2) Lokonga – lots of homework on player, Arteta able to use his good relationship with Kompany and Martinez
3) RB – sell before buying. Possible Tyler Adams(Arsenal fan) but difficult this summer also Muldur under consideration
4) LB possible Gutierrez, young RM player, shares agent with Arteta
5) Feel Odegaard would have to push for a transfer

andy1886

Not too promising from the MF perspective there Bob.

They also added that Maddison is unlikely to happen due to cost. Personally I’d rather have Maddison than spend £50m on White.

DivineSherlock

I miss Bacary Sagna , the guy was absolute beast at RB . So underrated .

Rich

Billy Gilmour going to Norwich on loan for a season to pick up PL experience

Chelsea are brilliant at using the loan market to develop players for their first team, and to pump players values and put them in the shop window

Gilmour looks like a quality young player with a big future, big loan signing for Norwich, and more really clever and medium term thinking from our rivals

Valentin

Rich,

The problem with Arteta refusing to use the remaining meaningless games to test Azeez, Balogun is that now no premiership club is willing to take a gamble on them. We did not showcase them. Chelsea played Billy Gilmour enough to entice a bid.

Championship clubs are even worse than premiership club on that front. So they may have to drop to League 1/League 2 level to get experience which is far from ideal.

Matt

Valentin

Spot on comment. There were plenty of times that Arteta could have introduced youngsters last season and chose not to. Any pointing out of this fact after the game was met with the usual comments about people trying to find fault, even though in nearly every case, the points were not framed that way. People were right to ask the question and it’s a shame that every question labelled at this manager has to be greeted with such arrogant responses.

Terraloon

Rich

I flagged up Gilmour going on loan about a month ago.

Chelsea were actively looking for opportunities for Gilmour.

Arsenal could have been all over this one with Chelsea quite possibly been attracted to taking PEA in exchange which I personally think might have worked

Habesha Gooner

China “So supposedly we have 250m to spend but we’re struggling to get Lokonga over the line based on a disagreement of 2-3m for a player who is already dirt cheap…” Don’t tell that to pedro. Reports are mentioning we don’t want to pay 2 to 3 mil extra for Lokonga. It is ridiculous to be honest. But yeah spending 50 mil on an unneeded CB is a wise decision. If you can’t get easy deals over the line then what does that mean for our finances. Arsenal are the only big club who fuck around because of 2 or… Read more »

Sid

Sending Gimour to Arsenal on loan would only make his value plummet,
Why would Diet pep play him when he will Not play Willock?

CG

The G (Valentin )

Good points as usual.

Chelsea were planning ahead, playing Gilmour against Arsenal in the dead rubber , Arteta missed that opportunity with Azzez.

I guess

Thats why they are European Champs and we are the Christmas Tree Table Trophy runner ups.

ps. their lady exec who sold Hazard for £130 000 000 – she has more talent and nous in her little Russian finger, than our lot put together

Foxy

Do we actually have a player over 18 that we have bought in the last few years that we can sell at a profit? They are either not worth what we paid for them by simply being not good enough for the premiership or have been devalued by Arteta.

Pierre

Gilmour playing under a quality manager at Norwich in Daniel Farke.

Pierre

Not very exciting from the athletic is it Bob.

Pierre

“Joe Willock has not been made available to clubs as of yet after his blistering end to last season while on loan at Newcastle United.

But The Athletic claims reasonable offers will be considered”

Dissenter

I’ve seen Aaron Ramsdale fuck up two teams that got relegated

How in the world is he in the discussion to man the post for Arsenal?

Never mind, the Arteta quick response squad will soon come and tell us “he’s not so bad”, “he’s good at playing from the back”, his ball distribution is good” etc.

But the time Arteta gets sacked the new manager will have a lot of work to do.

Sid

There are 2 ways that a midtable club without CL, Europa and bland manager/style can get good players

1. Great scouting
2. Expensive transfers and stupid wages.

Unfortunately Arsenal lack the 1st option and try to be clever at the 2nd option specializing in stupid wages.

Let that sink in

Avi

Wtf is wrong with Aston Villa? Why they fooling themselves with this ESR nonsense? Must be smoking on some weird stuff to think they genuinely have a chance of signing one of the club’s brightest youngsters in decades, its embarassing enough making a bid and continuing the folly ffs

Dissenter

Switzerland will get knocked out of the Euros today
That will free up Granit Xhaka to expedite his transfer to Roma by Friday so that he can start his vacation.

andy1886

Avi, they got the league’s best ‘keeper for peanuts from us, they beat us to one of our transfer targets this summer, why wouldn’t they think that we’d be stupid enough to sell ESR? Plenty of evidence to suggest otherwise (maybe Arteta would sell to fund Odegaard?).

Avi

andy think selling Martinez to them must have gotten over their head and now signing a player who was only an option for the club with other preferred targets has them swinging dick and now thinking we’re rivals?

Still its embarassing and someone in the club should tell them to fvk right off and know their place

The club can as well pack it all in and go home if they sell ESR

Sid

Could be ESRs camp are behind all the noise about Villa

andy1886

Avi, makes you wonder if they weren’t given an unequivocal ‘No’ the first time around if they’re coming back for a second go. Despite what people might like to think clubs don’t waste their time making bids if they know there is zero chance of success.

andy1886

Could be Sid, maybe they don’t agree that £30k pw is a decent offer for their client?

Emiratesstroller

Sid

This is beginning to smell of a Football Agent Jordan Wise trying to make a “fast buck” for himself.

Jordan Wise talks big on his website, but has just 3 footballers on his books. Two were Arsenal players. Zac Medley has just been offloaded by Arsenal and the third is an absolute nobody.

So the only footballer on his books who is a major asset is Emile Smith-Rowe.One suspects
that the agent is trying to make for himself a large chunk of money.

Ishola70

What sort of playing time is ESR going to get this coming season? You have Pepe and Saka on the wings along with people saying that a first team CAM is an absolute necessity in this transfer window. So where does this leave ESR in regards consistent playing time? Can Aston Villa guarantee him certain first team football every week along with matching or bettering any financial contract offered to him? There is a big contradiction from many posters on here in regards ESR. On the one hand they say he is a great young player but on the other… Read more »

David.D

Aston Villa really do have some fucking balls. Why are they even coming back with a second offer. Why aren’t we telling them where to go unless ESR’s representatives are sneakily using them for a better deal. I have to say I’m dead surprised we got Saka to sign a new deal at reportedly 30,000. With his status now that is peanuts and will have to be looked at very soon. If ESR being offered the same amount then can see why he is not signing for that amount. Arsenal need to get their fucking priorities right. Willing to spend… Read more »

Batistuta

Only reason Villa keep coming back is because someone in the lads camp or in the club have given them the feeling a particular amount will do the trick

Ishola70

In certain ways this is like the Emi Martinez situation. We both saw Emi Martinez and Smith Rowe in regular first team action and the vast majority liked what they saw. But Smith Rowe just like Emi Martinez has no guarantee of starting every week next season if a first team CAM is signed just like Emi Martinez couldn’t be promised a first team spot in the side. Of course Smith Rowe gets much more opportunities to actually play in first team matches given that he is an outfield player and not a GK but the premise still remains in… Read more »

Avi

Ishola
Arsenal can’t go into a season with ESR as the only CAM, only makes sense the club brings in a competitor(upgrade?) to ease the work load and also he doesn’t have the strongest fitness record tbf

Fwiw I think this is the agent egging Aston Villa on so he gets the best deal for both him and his client. Smart money says he signs a long term contract in the next few weeks

Mr Serge

Villa are trying to do what city did to us when they got money and weaken a direct rival by buying our best talent
City got glichy kolo nasri adebayor sagna and totally destabilised us
I reckon that was the begging of the end of us being a top team

Villa think they can do the same thing
Unless we tell them to fuck right off and give esr a better contract this will keep happening.

Bob N16

NunoTavares incoming?

Avi

Fwiw I think 30m is too low. But I also don’t think 50 or 70m is too high for White or Maddison. The going rate for young English talent is 50m. Villa come in and offer that it gives us a predicament

They’re having a laugh with 30m

Habesha Gooner

FFS
It is not like adding the 5 mil more is going to do the trick. The only thing that these bids will do is increase the negotiation hand of ESR when he renews his contract. That’s all. No one goes from Arsenal to Villa when they are wanted and are important. Tell them to fuck off and start unsettling their players.

Avi

NunoTavares incoming?

That guy is a complete nutjob, I mean utter fvkwit, i mean there’s a clip of him putting his tongue out to get licked by his dogs

We can’t sign such a character

Ishola70

Avi

That was not was being said or asked.

The question is not about Smith Rowe being the only CAM but whether he is seen as first team CAM that starts every week?

The answer to that from the majority of posters seems to be no,.

They want a CAM to come in that will basically put Smith Rowe on the bench.

WengerEagle

Fucking hell, it’s going to be 47C today in Portland, Oregon.

Anyone on here in that part of the world? I know that Joe who was on here a long while ago now was in Vancouver which will be 39C.

Ishola70

Can Aston Villa promise Smith Rowe first team starts every week just like they did with Emi Martinez?

Avi

Ishola

Surely ESR can’t be demanding cemented spot, Saka is Arsenal’s best player by a mile and even he know no spot in a CL chasing team should be guaranteed

Even if that’s a motivation for a Villa move, there’s Grealish and Buendia who are also CAMs and would be ahead of him.

This has agent work written all over it to force Arsenal hands

Ishola70

Let’s be truthful here if Smith Rowe is as good as many say on here then what happens is you play him as your first team CAM and have Willock as his back-up.

Or you sign a cheap back-up CAM to Smith Rowe?

Who is up to buying a CAM that will be a reserve for Smith Rowe?

Avi

I think selling ESR, even for £50m, sends out totally the wrong signal about the club, its future and ambition. You simply cannot sell your best young players. ESR could be a mainstay for this club for the next 10 years. You want to build on the few youth players that are good enough.

I simply refuse to believe we would countenance such mad pyromancies

Sid

Grealish might go to man c and Buendia does have to play in the middle.

Ishola70

My own view is that while Smith Rowe has obvious talent I would be concerned about his overall consistency over a whole season. We have to remember that he came in last season halfway through the campaign and didn’t play for a whole season. So I would be in favour of getting in a CAM that will basically see Smith Rowe as reserve for that CAM position as well as the wide positions? But this doesn’t add up with Smith Rowe being an undisputed great young player does it. Undisputed great young players start first matches nearly every week. And… Read more »

Avi

These agents these days are c**ts just like Balogun’s agent they won’t go away until they get what they want. Won’t be surprised his agent telling villa to keep trying its win-win for him either. Very annoying now the bids won’t go until he signs on

Orn says Villa are not going away lol

WengerEagle

Smith-Rowe is a brilliant prospect but he’s not starter material for a top 4 side yet.

Which is fine, kid just turned 21 which is still very young in spite of the Sancho’s, Mount’s, Foden’s, Haaland’s and Mbappe’s of the world convincing some that it’s not.

We badly need a CAM that is ready to hit the ground running now and allow ESR to continue to develop until he is hopefully ready to take over the mantle in a few years. Really do need to ease the creative burden on ESR’s shoulders.

Ishola70

Weagle

“Which is fine, kid just turned 21 which is still very young in spite of the Sancho’s, Mount’s, Foden’s, Haaland’s and Mbappe’s of the world convincing some that it’s not.”

Saka’s.

If you are good enough you are old enough.

Sid

“””””””:Under the proposed new terms, it is reported that Phil Foden could now see his initial £30,000-per-week salary increase by more than treble to around £100,000-a-week.”””””””

Diet Pep players keeping up with Guardiolas players, loooool

WengerEagle

Ishola

Saka isn’t on that level yet, he will be by the end of next season imo but it’s premature to say that he already is.

andy1886

Eagle, as we’re a top eight not a top four side that doesn’t really come into it. In another year or two when we actually are challenging for top 4 ESR will be coming into his best.

On that subject unless we really do have £150 to spend I’d rather we bought a decent MF partner to Partey.

Gonsterous

Avi I’m sorry but saka is a nailed on starter for us. It’s not like we have world class players in every position Similarly, when ESR is fit. He should be the first name in CAM, They get dropped only when out of form or entering the red zone and it should be done in a way that helps them regain their form and health. Not the BS that arteta pulls where a player won’t play for the next 8-10 games Martinez should have been guaranteed a spot in the first 11′ artetas first mistake was thinking no player should… Read more »

Elmo

“Villa are trying to do what city did to us when they got money and weaken a direct rival by buying our best talent” Sounds about right. They’re thinking exerting pressure only benefits them: 1) We will have to pay ESR far more than otherwise on the new contract, tying up future funds. 2) If we sell, they gain one of our best prospects, while we end up with cash, which we have a track record of investing spectacularly unsuccessfully. They are ambitious and see us as the club to target, who will meekly hand over our status in the… Read more »

Ishola70

Smith Rowe himself is not going to improve is he if he is demoted from the first team by bringing in a CAM to play over him.

This is the conundrum you see.

Young players improve and thrive with regular first team action.

Dissenter

Batistuta
‘ Only reason Villa keep coming back is because someone in the lads camp or in the club have given them the feeling a particular amount will do the trick’

You would think people would have figured this out

Villa have insider info from ESRs camp, they wouldn’t be putting up so much money on repeated bids.

Dissenter

That’s precisely why ESR wants to leave
All this talk about him not being good enough, it’s probably been passed on within the club too.

andy1886

Sid, that kills off the argument we had on here last week that it’s okay to pay Saka and ESR low wages because Foden was on peanuts at City. They may be young but they’re not daft. They’ll see Soares on £75k pw, Mari on £85k pw, and think am I contributing any less than those guys?

WengerEagle

Andy

Meant to say a wannabe top 4 side. Which has to be the aim for this season.

Champagne Charlie

Villa aren’t getting ESR for close to 30 mil, screams of Villa pushing back against the Grealish stories to create good PR.

Absolutely milked Buendia as some giant slaying capture. Nothing at all serious about bidding 30, then 35 million.

Ishola70

Gonsterous

“Similarly, when ESR is fit. He should be the first name in CAM,”

So many posters should forget about a first team signing at CAM then?

We can buy a back-up for Smith Rowe for a couple of million or just have Willock as back-up.

Champagne Charlie

“That’s precisely why ESR wants to leave“

Le Grove exclusive.

WengerEagle

Ishola

Yeah don’t disagree really.

If you’re heading into a season with 21 year old half season ESR as your sole CAM though you’re going to be in a spot of bother when he inevitably blows cold.

Jamie

My insider info states that Villa are simply trying their luck and they know subsequent bids will be rejected.

ESR isn’t going anywhere, isn’t welcoming bids, and has no intention of any personal terms with any other club this summer.

Relax.

Jamie

of agreeing to* any personal terms

WengerEagle

Dissenter Romano with the inside scoop.

Gonsterous

Ishola

Or another solution is get a nasri or hleb type, who can create from the wings and can play CAM

When ESR is injured or needs a rest, Sub them in, when you need two CAMs, get them creating from the wings
Unlike Nasri and Hleb, someone that can also score would be nice.

WengerEagle

Nasri had goals in him the last season in fairness.

Avi

Tierney is a real throwback. Nothing he does involves any fuss. Probably just told his agent: “I’m happy there, get it done.”

Make him captain ffs

Ishola70

Weagle It’s not about whether Smith Rowe is the only CAM. It’s about whether Smith Rowe is seen as nailed on first team starter at CAM. Arsenal can go on the cheap if it’s just a case of bringing in another body at CAM to play reserve to Smith Rowe. That is not a problem. Or just have Willock as reserve to him. If he is not seen as a nailed on first team starter and a first team CAM is brought in to play over him then he will not really kick on just for the fact that he… Read more »

Avi

Ishola you rate Willock highly?

WengerEagle

Avi

Love Tierney, not sure he is ready yet to be captain though.

Let him get a full uninterrupted season under his belt first.

Gonsterous

Avi

Yah but real thick when it comes to wearing something warm so he doesn’t develop injuries to the bones.
No wonder his knees are fked

Ishola70

Gonsterous

“Or another solution is get a nasri or hleb type, who can create from the wings and can play CAM”

And this player will be seen as a reserve player then. A back-up. Bench player who will come in when necessary but not a guaranteed first team starter.

Not really what the majority have been calling for in this transfer window is it.

WengerEagle

Ishola

Yeah that’s the issue we face.

A wide playmaker as Gonsterous says could be the happy solution. Ideally a LM as Saka is better on the right and I see him scoring much more goals from there than the left.

Gbat

We aren’t selling ESR unless the offer is too good to turn down.

He’s a good, young player with a lot of potential but I believe we still need another more experienced CAM. He’s only started 19 league games and at the moment he’s not got the end product.

Avi

Weagle
Agree, more like an indictment to the more senior players in the club, absolutely no leadership trait from any whatsoever

I’d rather him than Auba or Holding TBF, think hell grow into it and become more consistentm

WengerEagle

ESR at CAM and a new wide playmaker could work.

Only issue there could be goals, you would need at least 10 PL goals out of Saka and 7-8 out of ESR and to hope that Auba reverts to 20+ PL goal form.

Avi

Weagle
Agree, more like an indictment to the more senior players in the club, absolutely no leadership trait from any whatsoever

I’d rather him than Auba or Holding TBF, think hell grow into it and become more consistent

Rich

Valentin We’ve got to use the loan market much smarter, young players need to play competitive football consistently in order to develop We’ve wasted 2 years of Nelson’s development, we screwed up Saliba’s loan in October, Nketiah should have gone on loan in January to pump his value, particularly after we’d been knocked out of the FA Cup, and Martinelli was returning to fitness Balogun should have had a season in League 1 or the Championship, somewhere he’d play every week, get a taste for competitive football, and start developing If we’re not going to play Azeez this season, we… Read more »

Ishola70

Avi

“you rate Willock highly?”

No not really.

If you want a back-up to Smith Rowe though how good does this back-up need to be.

A simple question for you Avi.

Do Arsenal sign a CAM this summer that will see Smith Rowe get less first team action or do we have Smith Rowe as our first team CAM and just get in a cheap back-up to him?

Avi

but real thick when it comes to wearing something warm so he doesn’t develop injuries to the bones.
No wonder his knees are fked

Lol has nothing to with his knees TBF, Guy literally thrives in the cold. Could work on his bones though, maybe too fragile for EPL

Gonsterous

Ishola Why are the only options, nailed on starter or back up? He can be a direct competition to willian on the wings and ESR in CAM. They can even inter change if arteta can get that flexible As I said, ESR is a nailed on starter, except for when he is injured, out of form or in the red zone. Having a competent player to take his place is good for the team We then have to consider the FA cup and league cup games where we will rotate and play other players. Another way of looking at it… Read more »

Champagne Charlie

Not sure how anyone can keep a straight face suggesting ESR be our primary outlet at CAM. Massively diluting the standards of the club by playing into the romance of prominent Hale Enders.

Doesn’t speak to what ESR could turn into, but he’s simply not as good as the the majority of creative players in the top half at this time. Same can be said of Saka and Martinelli to different degrees.

Totally backwards to vacate a position of genuine quality in order give a free run to talented kids. That’s a small club mentality if ever I saw it.

WengerEagle

Avi

Yep, people were even pushing for Partey to get the armband when he had been here a wet minute and barely played.

We lack characters but the young lads (Saka, ESR, Martinelli, Tierney although he’s older) look to be made of the right stuff for this club.

Avi

Do Arsenal sign a CAM this summer that will see Smith Rowe get less first team action or do we have Smith Rowe as our first team CAM and just get in a cheap back-up to him” All comes down to what’s the target for the season is really, I’m telling you we’re not getting a top4 place with ESR as a starter, he isn’t the finished package yet and has some dodgy injury record. Would absolutely burn out when fixtures start coming thick and fast But if we’re targeting a Europa place then he could be enough with ESR… Read more »

Ishola70

Gonsterous You know how transfers are viewed by fans. And you know what is said and promised to players in transfer situations. It’s a lovely thought to think that a player is brought in and that player is told that he has no guarantee of first team football virtually every week. And this is what is liked to be portrayed. Every player fifgting for his position. But in reality a new player coming in would have been promised to be a first team starter. The only way that promise is reneged on is if that player is a flop like… Read more »

WengerEagle

Agree Charlie.

You’re supposed to blend youngsters in with ready-made top end players like we did in the Invincibles era with Fabregas and Van Persie (Adebayor too even) until they are ready to take over a few years down the line.

If Cesc and RVP were thrown straight in the deep end and were the only talented spark in a midtable side, their development wouldn’t have been the same.

The backpass

Ishola

Personally, I think Arteta sees ESR as the wide playmaker, so getting a Maddison or Odegaard won’t stop ESR from starting as shown last season.

In fact, when ESR played as a 10, the wings (both sides) was where he created more chances and not the center.

I think he fits the nasri or Hleb position.

Avi

Ideally if really want to crack the top4 you bring in a Maddison, Odegaard or Oyarzabal to compliment ESR

He just can’t bear the burden alone, too green, inexperienced and just not enough end products yet

Ishola70

Avi “I’m telling you we’re not getting a top4 place with ESR as a starter, he isn’t the finished package yet and has some dodgy injury record. Would absolutely burn out when fixtures start coming thick and fast” And I don’t disagree with you really. So Arsenal should be looking to get in a CAM that plays ahead of Smith Rowe this summer. So maybe we should calm down a little with this Smith Rowe is an undisputed great young player because an undisputed great young player would be in the first team at CAM and Arsenal wouldn’t need to… Read more »