TRANSFER ROUND-UP

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So it seems that as well as Arteta being on holiday, so is Edu, hanging out in Portugal. I like it, working up that bronze tan so there’s a distinct contrast between his skin and that crisp white shirt. Nothing says Technical Director like a dreamy summer bronze on white combo.

The transfer window is now a day in and we have signed NO ONE.

That doesn’t mean things aren’t happening.

I love the Buendia story and its evolution. Arsenal were beaten by Aston Villa for speed, until they submitted their own bid, then didn’t go back with a second bid. So it would appear there was a price point we didn’t fancy dancing past. Makes total sense for a club with limited funds this summer. I totally forgot that Villa also put the feelers out for Smith Rowe. I suspect they’d not have moved for Emi if they’d landed our guy.

There are fresh links today to Neves, Lokonga, and Onana.

Granit Xhaka is close to making his move to AS Roma according to Chris W over at Football.London, making him one of the first signings for Jose Mourinho. This is fantastic news. He’s a good player, but don’t ever forget that his presence in our side correlated perfectly with the decline of the club. Too many errors in his game and a ceiling that hasn’t moved us up a level. It’s a good thing that he’s out the door. If one of the best leaders at your club tells the fans to fuck off, you have a leadership problem. I wish him all the best.

Reuben Neves is a similar profile player with Premier League experience. If there’s a busy summer of ins and outs, it’s important at least a few of the players know the league so there’s not a painful bedding in period. I’m not excited by Mr Neves, but how many of those sorts of players thrill? Not many. He’s a good player, he’s a better defender than Xhaka, and I think we’re all underestimating him because he’s not the P&P midfielder we were hopeful on / Wolves were shite last season.

Lokonga looks much more like ‘thriller’ talent. He has a similar profile to Thomas Partey, but if we’re building out midfield, we need young players like that. We can’t be losing Partey and hoping Elneny finds a level he doesn’t have.

Onana had his sentence for doping reduced to 9 months, so he can play as of November. He can play football the way Arsenal need a keeper to play. Fast off his line, good with the ball at his feet, very decent shot-stopper, and very young for someone who is capped with 50 games in the Champions League. Would he represent our first black first-team keeper? I can’t think of anyone else?

James M over at The Athletic has Arsenal linked with American right back, Tyler Adams. The Leipzig player can operate both as a right-back and a midfielder. He has a Tierney like athletic profile, and his versatility marks him out as talent because he can play that inverted role. Honestly, how excited would you be if you had a right-back that could offer us effective play like Tierney? It’d give us so much more balance and hopefully open up that right side so we don’t look so lopsided next season.

Sky Sports are saying that Arsenal are interested in Brighton defender Ben White. Again, it’s clear why, Brighton’s style is what Arteta wants. They are excellent in possession and Ben White has the experience we’re looking for in the Premier League, he’s with England, and he’s very young at 23. I honestly think we might see a shock exit this summer from our centre back collection. It’s also notable that Sami Mokbel has us linked to Tosin Adarabioyo, another 23-year-old English centre back of a right-sided nature. Someone has to leave and it’s obvious that there are those in the group that can’t do what Arteta needs. I also think any links to Brighton players should be taken seriously because I think Eddie would be a steal for a team that creates high-quality chances in the box but WILL NOT FINISH.

Finally, great that Daniel Ballard will take a loan in the Championship next season, promoted Blackpool will be interested, but apparently there are other suitors. I wish Saliba had moved to the Championship at the start of last season, he’d have done well and picked up the language in a more complete way. Arsenal are also bringing Patino into the first team, high hopes for him, which is great news for creating the image that Arsenal is a great place to develop.

Right, that’s all I have for you today. See you in the comments.

 

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  1. Ishola70

    The concept of Xhaka was very vain from Arsenal as well.

    They may have brought him in error and not realising his limitations but they had to remedy that mistake and sell pretty soon after but they didn’t and carried on with him in this regista role.

    Arsenal are not a good enough side to have a regista in it who has the cigar on playing deep and doesn’t participate in the centre when the heat is on. We need all players to be competitive in midfield and central midfield areas. But this notion of regista tickled quite a lot of fans fancy. They liked the idea of regista. It was sexy european.

    Xhaka and Ozil were both luxury players Arsenal could ill afford. And by the term luxury we of course don’t mean actual luxurious football from them especially in Xhaka’s case but luxury in the sense of the role of the player in the side.

  2. Ishola70

    Tee

    Don’t cry.

    We know you are a Xhaka fan and get upset when he is called out.

    If you can’t see that he was a hindrance for the side I can only sympathise with you.

  3. Thank you and goodnight

    Nowadays everyone goes on about a CDM, or CAM etc etc. When I was growing up you were just a plain midfielder and you were expected to be able to defend and attack. It’s like when players are labelled WC when they are so painfully one footed

  4. Mr Serge

    Is wilock the new Ramsey 6 out of 10 for most but being in the right place at the right time 9 out of 10

  5. Marc

    Pedro

    We’re going to have to agree to disagree – I have marinade to make.

    You should remember when you call me a troll though that I’ve just renewed my ST – I’m not aware of any other trolls that pay out £850 (it’s quite a reduction this season) for the privilege of being a miserable bastard.

  6. Gentlebris

    Now I get it re-Onana’s £5m fee.

    Still not sold on it though.

    Why do I have a mixed feeling re-Xhaka’s exit?

  7. WengerEagle

    TYAG

    Tend to agree, the game has gotten a bit too masturbatory and obsessed with tactics, formations and specific player roles. Some of the PL’s best ever CM’s could do it all in Gerrard, Lampard, Scholes, Vieira, Keane, De Bruyne, Yaya Toure, Essien, etc. You wouldn’t call any of them anything other than a CM.

  8. salparadisenyc

    TYAG

    Music gone same way.

    Now
    “Um ya I play 12 string backend rythym guitar with a specialization for the base strings. ”

    Keef

    “If its got strings i’ll make er move”

  9. Marc

    Ishola

    “They may have brought him in error and not realising his limitations but they had to remedy that mistake and sell pretty soon after but they didn’t and carried on with him in this regista role.”

    This is the thing – Fergie bought Veron who was a great player but it was obvious after a couple of months he wasn’t suited to the PL. ManU bit the bullet and sold him for a loss, they were seriously lucky that Chelsea were daft enough to pay what they did for him.

    You don’t double down on mistakes you correct them and move on.

  10. WengerEagle

    Would be a shame to see De Paul dulled down and become a functional player in Simeone’s system.

    Top manager but he simply doesn’t do flair. Benches Felix if he so much as even thinks about doing a stepover.

  11. MidwestGun

    Well back in my day we played 4-2-4 … with 2 midfielders so you sure as hell better be able to attack and defend. if your playing in the middle of the park. I was a winger/ fullback though so what do I know.. hahaha I blame the emergence of having 3 at the back as ruining the game.. makes wing play and defending the most important aspect instead of attacking through the middle. Gone are the great Brazilian sides where every player could play every position basically except Keeper. Although I bet Pele would have tried it.

    Sal-
    How dare you… I’m a specialist percussionist. I play empty beer can with a fork.. You cant underestimate the sound you get from an empty aluminum can.

  12. GoonGoonerGone

    To be honest, all these transfer stories are merely rumors.
    Don’t even bother.
    As far as Arteta and Edu are concerned with regards to transfers and whom they require, neither knows their arse from their face.

  13. Sotongunner

    “They may have brought him in error and not realising his limitations but they had to remedy that mistake and sell pretty soon after but they didn’t and carried on with him in this regista role.”

    Not selling earlier was a mistake and was a symptom of the malaise around the club in the wenger end of days.
    A lot of the worry I have about neves is that even now I fear that Arteta doesn’t think there was anything wrong with the role xhaka had in this arsenal team and will actively double down on this regista crap. Its not big and its not clever, just work tactically in the league you are in, especially when you are already struggling and on a budget. I’m all for innovation but taking tactical systems from foreign leagues and copy and pasting isn’t innovative.
    I seriously hope the “process” doesn’t involve carrying on the same shite we did with xhaka with different personnel.

  14. Ishola70

    SotonGunner

    “A lot of the worry I have about neves is that even now I fear that Arteta doesn’t think there was anything wrong with the role xhaka had in this arsenal team and will actively double down on this regista crap. Its not big and its not clever, just work tactically in the league you are in, especially when you are already struggling and on a budget. I’m all for innovation but taking tactical systems from foreign leagues and copy and pasting isn’t innovative.

    I seriously hope the “process” doesn’t involve carrying on the same shite we did with xhaka with different personnel.”

    Yes I was voicing the same concern the other day.

    It’s no good getting in Neves and then just plonking him deep playing the exact same Xhaka role when Neves shows that he can compete in the centre of the pitch.

    I’m not against deep lying midfielders at all costs. I’m against deep lying midfielders that are restricted in regards being adaptable from their deeper positions and being able to step up to the centre when required.

    As you imply with Xhaka virtually gone our main worry now is Arteta himself.

  15. raptora

    “I seriously hope the “process” doesn’t involve carrying on the same shite we did with xhaka with different personnel.”

    100%.

    Sadly, I feel like our boy Arteta wants to have that exact type of player.

  16. Terraloon

    LT

    NK Into the last year of his contract, refusing to sign a new one what could go wrong ?

    What were some saying his transfer value is ? Yet again another player who holds all the cards

  17. Marc

    Midwest

    You can imagine Edu saying to Arteta “I’ve found this great young RB” (probably no mention of scouting on youtube) and then seeing Arteta’s face when the player is over the halfway line.

  18. Dissenter

    There’s talk that we are seeking to sign Josh Doig, a 19 year old full back from Hibernian to be Tierney’s understudy
    He’s likely to cost abut 5 million

  19. Sotongunner

    I’m not against deep lying midfielders at all costs. I’m against deep lying midfielders that are restricted in regards being adaptable from their deeper positions and being able to step up to the centre when required.

    Agreed, it’s all about mobility and being able to keep up with the pace of the game in English football. Im OK to have a deep midfielder as long as he can keep up with the game but if we just want someone who can sit there and spray long passes I’m sure Newcastle would swap us jonjo shelvey for willock as he is the English xhaka equivalent. I’d rather have a powerful viera type every day of the week alongside another all rounder rather than this very specialised nonsense we seem to be committed to.

  20. Ishola70

    Even someone like McTominay would improve this current Arsenal midfield in terms of all round competiveness.

    He can press and press high, he can get up and down the pitch and he can take the ball on offensively himself.

    He was Man United’s best midfielder in the Europa League final and was one of their few players that actually came out with some credit in that match. He had a good match.

    But he is not a fashionable player these days because he is not a passing machine and he isn’t sexy enough in the last third.

    Many former Arsenal midfielders that did a good job for the side in the past when Arsenal were actually a serious side would be deemed not fashionable as well by many of today’s fans.

  21. WengerEagle

    ‘But he is not a fashionable player these days because he is not a passing machine and he isn’t sexy enough in the last third.’

    What’s with your incessant need to label technically gifted midfielders as ‘flashy’ and ‘sexy’ Ishola.

    It’s amusing the disdain you seem to have for them. Love you a good old carthorse that gets up and down the pitch don’t you.

  22. Ishola70

    And WengerEagle on point comes up with the snobbery.

    What you need to consider Eagle sometimes is all round competiveness in midfield rather than how good someone is on the ball when we are talking central midfield.

    You don’t want a midfield full of carthorses as you term them but you shouldn’t underestimate one who can put in this carthorse work that you look down on with others with other attributes around him..

    Shouldn’t underestimate it.

    How did you ever watch Arsenal Weagle before when we were actually a more serious side. It musy have been torture for you.

    We had quite a few midfielders who you would now term carthorses if you saw them playing today.

  23. Habesha Gooner

    Jonjo Shelvey????
    He isn’t even good enough to play in the premier league. I would classify him as a Midtable Championship player. Ask Newcastle fans if he is good enough for them.

    Anyway, I wouldn’t mind Neves. It would bring us a lot of control and actual defensive stability. He would also give us a long distance shooting goal threat so that opponents wouldn’t sit too deep. But I feel like it is a safe signing. Arteta is all about control and not about excitement and adventure.

    Marcel Sabitzer is going for 15 mil. That would be an opportunity not to be missed. He is an all rounder. I like him. I was skeptical when lepzig demanded 35 mil for him last season. But at 15 mil in his last year at lepzig, he would be a steal. Still 27 too.

  24. Almuniasaynomore

    One of the interesting features of Xhaka’s departure is that he was on a ridiculous 100kpw. This is a big saving. When you look at the last 6 months the club has shed Ozil 350kpw,Luiz 100kpw,mustafi 90 kpw and now Xhaka. If you look at the remaining top earners many of them are the ones who are favourites to go in the next few months, Kolasinic 100kpw,Bellerin 110kpw,Leno 100kpw,Laca 182kpw, Willian(impossible to nail down a figure,100-200kpw).Granted,not all likely to go but huge improvement on the wage bill nonetheless. This leaves only PEA 250kpw,Partey 250kpw and Pepe 140kpw as players on a 6 figure weekly wage. We could argue all day whether this is by accident or design but it is good news lads,for once. The wastage that is crippling the club financially is lessening. But what I’ll be watching carefully is how Artedu attract new players. If they simply purchase replacements on the same ludicrously exorbitant wages then it will be clear that the savings are not part of a master plan but a mere coincidence. If they introduce smarter,performance based contracts with pay scales that match our financial position then credit will have to be given. For example, Neves who is favourite to replace Xhaka is on 50 kpw at Wolves, exactly half Xhaka’s wage. What will our 2 boys offer him to come? If its straight up double your money then as far as I’m concerned they should be sacked immediately before they tie us into another series of financially devastating contracts with non performing players. If they continue to lower the wage bill and actually improve the squad quality I might have to revisit my determination that they are useless. It doesn’t change the paucity of the past but is there a glimpse of a plan?

  25. Ishola70

    I remember the Liverpool midfield being ridiculed as being average.

    The same midfield that won them the league.

    They are’nt technical enough. They are not sexy enough on the ball.

    What they had was very high work rate. Carthorses.

  26. Champagne Charlie

    Rodri and Jorginho are the tempo setters at the PL champions and CL winners.

    Wouldn’t call either of them remotely flashy or sexy, such a dull descriptor because their function isn’t based on raw athleticism.

    Ishola absolutely besotted with his new buzz phrase of engaging midfield. Fingers crossed we see a master-engager land this summer or a new CM fetish is sure to emerge.

  27. Ishola70

    Charlie

    Your boy Xhaka was incapable of stepping up to the centre of midfield in traffic.

    Jorginho and Rodri are capable to do this when required.

    That is the difference.

    And that is why Xhaka is leaving to a Roma side that finished 7th in Serie A last season.

  28. Dissenter

    Ishola is very good as identifying bad midfielder but can’t identify a close-to-ideal midfielder to save his life.

    McTominay is a super-atheltic ball carrier, in the mold of Bissouma and Declan Rice
    He’s very far from stationary pieces like Neves.

  29. WengerEagle

    ‘And WengerEagle on point comes up with the snobbery.’

    Ishola my lad you’re the one branding players as ‘flashy’, ‘sexy’, etc in a dismissive way so if anyone is the snob it is you.

    It’s ok to prefer a McTominay type of midfielder, no shame in it. Just own it at least rather than keeping up any pretence that you don’t. You like them long and leggy, combative and able to get up and down the pitch rather than be technical types that dominate through their on ball influence, which is why I find it so strange that you’re a fan of Neves and Jorginho.

    ‘How did you ever watch Arsenal Weagle before when we were actually a more serious side. It musy have been torture for you. We had quite a few midfielders who you would now term carthorses if you saw them playing today.’

    Oh Ishola, I appreciate a good carthorse, don’t get it twisted. Every side needs a water-carrier type that does all of the underappreciated side of the game, even Real Madrid who brand themselves as the antithesis of such a player and famously binned prime Makelele needed Casemiro to win those 3 Champions Leagues.

    It’s just you seem to fetishize such a player over the technical types.

  30. Champagne Charlie

    ‘My boy’…..

    There’s only one person that’s exhausted the shit out of Xhaka on here and that’s yourself. Big breakthrough with your therapist is right around the corner when his transfer is finalised.

  31. Sotongunner

    I was comparing shelvey to xhaka. They are similar players both with the turning circle of a tanker. I wasn’t suggesting for a second we sign him, quite the opposite.
    No wonder arsenal fans have the reputation for losing their shit.

  32. Ishola70

    Dissenter

    How very observant of you to notice that McTominay is a ball carrier will Neves is not.

    The point of them both is that they will compete in central midfield when required that’s if Arteta allows that with Neves unlike Xhaka who couldn’t do this.

    McTominay is also useful defensively along with Neves.

    Still obssessed with ball carriers eh Dissenter in midfield.

    Love me a dribble.

  33. WengerEagle

    ‘I remember the Liverpool midfield being ridiculed as being average. The same midfield that won them the league. They are’nt technical enough. They are not sexy enough on the ball. What they had was very high work rate. Carthorses.’

    People weren’t wrong about their midfield being their weak point, it was functional and enough to win them those trophies in tandem with their incredible front trio, world class full-backs and arguably the best CB and GK on the planet not to mention Klopp as manager but they didn’t dominate games like City did. Won most of them by a single goal IIRC.

  34. Champagne Charlie

    “which is why I find it so strange that you’re a fan of Neves and Jorginho.“

    Nothing strange about it, it’s his Xhaka fetish extended. Cannot accept that a player of that ilk is a success under any conditions, so makes up some erroneous bollocks to differentiate them when the reality is they’re incredibly similar operators fundamentally. Everything, literally everything, walks its way back to Granit Xhaka for Ishola.

  35. Marko

    I dunno I’d say Gundogen and DeBruyne and Kante and Kovacic set the tempo more than Rodri and Jorginho. Rodri I’d say offers stability and protection more than tempo. Just me though

  36. Ishola70

    No Weagle

    No fetish otherwise I wouldn’t have said one carthorse can be useful in midfield rather than a whole midfield.

    And you bit and turned your nose up at McTominay straight away.

    I appreciate all aspects of midfielders. I don’t appreciate midfielders that can’t compete in central midfield though.

  37. WengerEagle

    Don’t lie now Ishola.

    You can’t stand the technical ball-playing CM’s. May be Xhaka PTSD who knows but you dismiss them on here all the time as ‘flashy’, ‘sexy’, ‘glory’ types.

    In a very snobbish way funnily enough, and you have the audacity to throw that word at me.

  38. Gentlebris

    So in all of the world now Arsenal can’t find a guy exactly like Cazorla and stick him next to Partey?

    This Neves route is a wrong route IMO.

    Find a young Cazorla in the thick forests and wild blue seas and bring him next to Partey!

    What am I even saying…one young Cazorla just went through our fingers on his way to Villa.

    I just know at some point Kroenke will get tired of this torture drama and sell.

    EK for president!

  39. WengerEagle

    ‘Everything, literally everything, walks its way back to Granit Xhaka for Ishola.’

    Can’t live with Xhaka, can’t live without…

    He’s been mentioned more on here of late than any other player, you’d think that Ishola would have taken a week off of work and thrown a celebration with him leaving but here we are still debating him.

  40. Ishola70

    No Weagle I loved Ronaldinho like everybody else.

    What I can’t stand is people overlooking other aspects in midfield that are needed and funnily enough what a “carthorse” could provide.

  41. WengerEagle

    Congrats Ishola, you were a fan of literally by far the most entertaining player to ever lace up a pair of boots.

    And I loved Gilberto Silva and the job that Flamini did for us in the Cesc/Hleb.Rosicky midfield Ishola.

  42. Ishola70

    Oh dear Weagle tag teaming with Charlie again.

    You really let yourself down Weagle at times.

    This is a quote from Weagle a few days earlier.

    “Xhaka is no worse than anyone else in this Arsenal team” Charlie was around posting at the time.

    And he was behaving himself and telling us Xhaka was one of the worst Arsenal players seen in an Arsenal shirt earlier in the thread today. Charlie wasn’t around at the time.

    But Charlie turns up again just now and it’s all what’s your problem with Xhaka.

  43. Gentlebris

    Ishola obviously want two donkeys running the show for us in the middle, charging at people all day long.

    That could/should/would be beautiful…

    We become very difficult to beat…15 goals conceded a season, 14 goals scored a season(since we play two brainless donkeys in the middle and hence no link anywhere forward). Could/should/would be fun.

    Ishola for president!

  44. Davi

    Didn’t Wenger say that Xhaka doesn’t know how to tackle shortly after signing him? I remember being perplexed by that but I guess it was to explain away one of his red cards?
    I think we were desperate to bring in leadership skills and Xhaka was seen as someone with great leadership abilities – who really knows but I think it’s tough to be a real leader in a team when you make a lot of mistakes yourself. As many have said, should have moved him on long ago.

  45. Champagne Charlie

    Ishola

    Weagle hasn’t rated Xhaka since before he landed here you melon, christ you cannot help but go off on a tangent whenever certain topics arise – technical midfielders being a classic. It’s your get out clause for waffling abstract nonsense.

    But you’re cool with technical players because you rated Ronaldinho. That has ‘I have a black friend’ vibes, totally convinced me.

  46. WengerEagle

    ‘This is a quote from Weagle a few days earlier.“Xhaka is no worse than anyone else in this Arsenal team” Charlie was around posting at the time.’

    Timestamp that Ishola because I’m certain that is bollocks. Outright lying isn’t a good look for you.

    And ‘behaving myself’ haha always knew you fancied yourself as some sort of authority on here. What constitutes ‘behaving’ in your world then Ishola.

    Look you seem to have some sort of deep-rooted psychological issues towards Xhaka, I don’t know if he resembles somebody from your personal life or if you are just that obsessed with his detrimental playing impact on the team to the point that you literally cannot help spouting Tourette’s inspired unrelated tirades against him literally every day on here even when other topics are being discussed and we’ve done the Xhaka talk ad nauseam but it’s getting boring now.

    You had a similar rager for banging on about David Luiz any chance that you got ‘Coco the Clown’ as you affectionately referred to him.

    And with the vast majority of the rest of our rubbish, you simply look the other way. Actually swung for the fences defending Elneny shamelessly enough and never conceded he is also shit because you don’t concede on here ever, do you.

    You still to this day maintain N’Zonzi would have been a good signing for us, where do we even go with that.

  47. Ishola70

    If you are convinced for my appreciation for technical midfield players I’m afraid I can’t say the same for your appreciation of all round aspects regarding midfield away from the technical side.

    Sorry you don’t convince me and you certainly don’t convince me when you have been championing Xhaka on here or at least defending him to the hilt all the time.

  48. Gentlebris

    Ishola,

    Pay me no attention. I’m just having a good time after a good dinner.

    About Xhaka, he was our third best player last term behind Tierney and Saka…so surely you understand my point in spite of your rage at the jolly good Xhaka.

  49. Gentlebris

    Imagine Nzonzi and Doucoure running the show for us in midfield…masterclassers!

    By now we would be hauling stones at each other out of sheer confusion.

  50. Ishola70

    Oh Weagle is getting all wordy again cos Charlie is lurking.

    You were like a little puss earlier Weagle when we were all piling in on Xhaka you included. No sign of Charlie around then.

    He does seem to be a bit of a lightning rod for you Weagle which is unfortunate because you are better than that really.

    Listen Xhaka is in the news regarding being sold and you are crying because you think he is being talked about too much including today. Get a grip.

    I have already said I will no longer talk about Xhaka once he fucks off.

    But you can bet if Xhaka scores a freekick in a Roma shirt it will be mentioned on here by the usual suspects. The posters that have been the Xhaka enablers.

  51. WengerEagle

    I’m sure Ishola loved him some Doucoure too, aw yeah. Hard to know though as he rarely ever actually puts his neck on the line by outright rating or bigging up a player before the fact for fear of being unable to pull other people up on players that they rated 5 years ago.

    Doucoure, right up his alley. Long legged, athletic runner, industrious, basic on the ball but a bloody good ‘carthorse’ for lack of a less offensive term.

  52. Mr Serge

    Gentlebris is the championship let’s see him cast his wand in the prem like Santi did that’s my point

  53. Ishola70

    And Weagle you did say the other day that Xhaka was no worse than many other Arsenal players.

    But today you say he was one of the worst Arsenal players that has graced the shirt.

    wtf is that about.

    Anyone that can be bothered Eagle stated this a couple of days ago,

    Should be easy to find for anyone that can be bothered.

  54. Habesha Gooner

    Instead of Party at Isholas place, there is a fight to the death on Le grove about technical midfielders. We should be celebrating Xhaka leaving. I don’t even know what type of player Xhaka is to this day. He isn’t a DM or a CM for obvious reasons. He falls short in a lot of categories to be called a Deep lying play maker. He is just a below average, can do a little of everything and is a safe passer (not interms of danger but never creates a wow moment, if you disregard all the errors) . That is the best way I could describe Xhaka. He isn’t worth the hassle and the debate now that he is going. Leave it be and never mention his name again.

  55. Gentlebris

    Let’s have a song procession for our ex captain…a true leader(except the ‘fuck off’).

    Maybe Tony should find a song to bend to the occasion.

    🎶🎤🎸🎹lalalallallalllalllllaaaa

  56. Gentlebris

    ‘Gentlebris is the championship let’s see him cast his wand in the prem like Santi did that’s my point’

    Do you follow the championship, Mr Serge?

    Last term, I would take me a Brentford vs Reading over Crystal Palace vs Burnley.

    Any dude who could cut it down there is a true dude.

  57. Dissenter

    “Don’t think I’ve ever seen any midfielder Ishola actually rates lol”
    Exactly, he’s excellent at poking holes in every midfielder.

    Maybe if could genetically engineer a midfielder, he’ll clone a combo of Jonjo Shelvey and Flamini

    A

  58. WengerEagle

    Ishola getting deep in his feelings now and tapping into bitch-mode.

    Listen, we were talking about profiles of midfielder so this isn’t even about Xhaka as much as you always try to make it out to be. ‘

    ‘When we were all were piling in on Xhaka’ ‘behaving yourself’, you were banging on about the ‘group majority’ on here surrounding Neves too a few days ago as vindicating your opinion on him, it’s embarrassing to see a grown man act like he’s in a classroom.

    And you project this energy out when you accuse me of ‘tag teaming’ with Charlie just because he too calls you out on your bollocks.

    Did you ever timestamp that fake quote that you made up and attributed to me by the way?

    I’m the one ‘crying’, LOL. You have been a constant stream resembling the Nile day in and day out on here even after it was announced that Roma were going to take the twerp off of hands.

    And you still bitch about the fee and everything else attached to it. Somehow I fail to believe that you won’t continue to bring him up here on a regular basis when he’s in Rome funny enough.

  59. Ishola70

    Dissenter

    “Ishola will be watching, he cant take his eyes off him.”

    No I will certainly not.

    You will be though. Your sympathies for him can extend over to Rome.

    And that feeling of redemption for you when Xhaka kills Serie A will be very fulfilling for you I’m sure.

  60. Batistuta

    Lol Ishola that wasn’t what i said now was it, literally nothing to do with Xhaka, just found it curious you almost always find a flaw in every midfielder that we get linked to or actually have on our books

  61. Gentlebris

    ‘Ishola will be watching, he cant take his eyes off him.’

    Like Pierre and Ozil…only Pierre doesn’t pretend about his obsession.

  62. Ishola70

    Be prepared to be disappointed Weagle in your prediction.

    I have zero interest in Xhaka in Rome.

    I couldn’t stand watching him in an Arsenal shirt so why would I watch him in a Roma shirt.

  63. Batistuta

    Oh and Xhaka will be Xhaka over here. League isn’t as slow as some would have you believe if they actually watched a single game. He’ll make mistakes Luke he always does but he’ll do a job for Mourinho

  64. Champagne Charlie

    Interesting rebrand the burden of proof is getting.

    Claim another person said something, it gets denied, burden of proof is then apparently on any random poster to verify the original claim. Top tier convenience.

  65. Gentlebris

    ‘I couldn’t stand watching him in an Arsenal shirt so why would I watch him in a Roma shirt’

    So you already have plans for a Xhakaless life? Very brave, absolutely commendable.

  66. salparadisenyc

    Ishola has ripped out far too many loads in past 48hrs, really showing with fatigue setting in.
    I salut the effort though, a real marathon of sorts this Xhaka dance you done.

    Bati doing hale marries Milan took the hard pass.

  67. Ishola70

    Bats

    I actually said I would be happy enough with Neves so you are off there.

    Strangely in agreement with Charlie on that one though I suspect that Charlie is wishing for Neves to take up that Xhaka regista role to the letter which I’m not for. The deep lying midfielder that stays deep lying midfielder.

  68. WengerEagle

    ‘I have zero interest in Xhaka in Rome. I couldn’t stand watching him in an Arsenal shirt so why would I watch him in a Roma shirt.’

    I’d be willing to bet serious coin on your most used word as a poster on here over the last couple of years has been ‘Xhaka’.

    Oh you’ll be watching, cheese grater in hand.

  69. Gentlebris

    Straight face now…I think Xhaka will be a revelation for Roma…I think Juve/PSG comes for him next summer.

    Sounds out of place now…but that’s how I see it.

  70. WengerEagle

    ‘I actually said I would be happy enough with Neves so you are off there.’

    ‘Happy enough’ lol, you’re always so careful not to overcommit as a way to give yourself an out in the future if he turns out to be another Schneiderlin dud.

    Very careful and deliberate in the language that you use to describe prospective players here that you ‘like’.

  71. salparadisenyc

    “How dare you… I’m a specialist percussionist. I play empty beer can with a fork.. You cant underestimate the sound you get from an empty aluminum can.”

    Elite levels, we talking standard density like Coors or you upping the bass with some new level IPA?
    Don’t answer… Sal knows.

    As you were Middy!

  72. Champagne Charlie

    “Sounds out of place now…but that’s how I see it.“

    Out of place is one way of phrasing it

  73. Ishola70

    As another poster said on here earlier it is best to see how a player gets on after he has signed rather than praise him to high heavens before he is signed.

    But I suppose there are those that like the idea of calling it.

  74. WengerEagle

    Yep, just put your neck on the line for once.

    Besides Partey who still hasn’t done much at all for us, N’Zonzi was the last player that I remember you truly batting for on here.

  75. WengerEagle

    Ishola you must be great at parties, christ.

    Let’s not dare rate a player or put our opinion out there until he removes all doubt a season or two after signing for us.

    Would make this place thrilling in transfer season.

  76. Guns of SF

    If Partey is no Party this season, we are screwed.
    We are depending on him being the you tube highlight reel … and if he is not, who do we have?
    Neves? El neny?

    IT does not look good. We need ideally 2 in CM- a CM / Dm and a CAM

    WE- click bait saying we monitoring RDP…

    I think its all shit tho… we are really going hard for Ode I am sure and that is it.

  77. Tee

    “TeeDon’t cry.We know you are a Xhaka fan and get upset when he is called out.If you can’t see that he was a hindrance for the side I can only sympathise with you.”

    This one is loosing it. For your info, no single Arsenal fan will be worried xhaka’s gone and at the same time not all Arsenal fans will go your way of thinking or obsession with him.

    It’s kinda baffling that you are still miserable even after xhaka has gone.

    It won’t be surprising if you end up monitoring xhaka’s movement over there in Roma.

    I will be here to read your post telling us what xhaka’s performance in Roma is

  78. Ishola70

    Weagle

    “People weren’t wrong about their midfield being their weak point, it was functional and enough to win them those trophies in tandem with their incredible front trio”

    Oh just saw this one from earlier Weagle.

    What a load of bollox.

    Pressing is an integral part of Liverpool’s game Weagle.

    And did that Liverpool midfield press.

    And you are saying yes it was a weak point lol.

    Do you think that front three trio perform as well as they do without having the aid of that pressing midfield?

    It sets them up Weagle.

  79. Elmo

    “I’d be willing to bet serious coin on your most used word as a poster on here over the last couple of years has been ‘Xhaka’.”

    You’ve clearly forgotten about Xjaka.

  80. China1

    Xhaka will do better in Italy because it suits his game better

    He’ll never be world class but he will go from painfully average looking in the PL to pretty good in Serie A.

    The move makes sense for him.

    Assuming we don’t balls this up how I just pray whoever we replace him with is actually quality because our modern history of transfers is absolutely garbage value for money. Have we learned any lessons or are we going to replace him with another just above average player at significant outlay? The latter is quite likely. We have had one of the poorest track records for spending money in world football for ages now

  81. China1

    Besides Barca and man utd I can’t think of one other club in world football that has pissed so much money up the wall on transfers in the last 5 years with such little to show for it

  82. China1

    The n1 reason why xhaka gets people talking so much is because he plays so many games

    We have lots of average players. In the same position we also have el neny who nobody thinks is good enough to be a regular starter. But he’s understood to be a cheap squaddie and not a nailed on starter for 45 games a season come rain or shine.

    If for the next 5 years we had el neny stinking the house out with average for 45 games a season the fans would constantly be talking about him instead

    It’s not really surprising that people can’t stop talking about a player they think is not good enough who *always* plays. Why wouldn’t this bother people?

  83. Billyham

    Mixed feelings? Granit Xhaka has never been good enough for Arsenal. Ever. Can’t believe it’s taken until now to get rid of a geezer we all knew immediately ought never to have been bought.

  84. Bob Bobson

    These links to Ben White are extremely fanciful. They rejected a 40mil bid from Leeds for him last summer. He’s worth more now and we won’t pay anywhere near that. Even with a generous 10 mil for Nketiah part exchange.

  85. Guns of SF

    Sal

    Sorry for the late reply, took my son to his practice.

    Id like to see Partey in more the B2B that he was signed for. With Xhaka he had to cover more or less and did not have real free reign to move forward. He is decent at getting forward and has played some good splitting passes in the past.

    Id like to partner him with Bissouma. Then he can move forward without too much fear.

    Id like Aouar as the creative mid, in an 8 role or 10 even… but having TP and Bissouma near him, would take the pressure of him as he is a lightweight and will likely struggle with the EPL pace and pressing stuff.

    In order to have that swash buckler in the middle, we do need a proper DM allowing more freedoms of the other CMs

  86. Duzie

    Xhaka is an average passer whose key role is elusive.

    You will surely be done with the Stockholm Syndrome soon!

  87. Tony

    Middy
    Can you still get Party 8s? (8 pint cans?) Would make great tom toms or floor toms and add much more dimension to your drumming sound.

    Flatten a couple and cut discs out of them for your cymbals.

    Won’t be long before you’re playing Tommy Aldridge solos ALA Whitsnake live in London.

  88. Tony

    Their Blu-Ray*

    BobN16
    Always had a lot of time and respect for your posts even though we are, in many ways, polar opposites; I’ve charged through life mostly pulling up trees throughout my career/life, whereas you’d plant and nurture them – probably talk to them, too. Nothing wrong in that I may add.

    Arsenal for you is far more than it is for many of us who rarely got/get the chance to go to the Emirates/Highbury before that, let along have a ST. Home games are mates’ dates that has probably become somewhat institutionalized for you and your group.

    Whether that helps mask/deal with the ongoing pain we you have faced over the dozen or so years I have no idea. I’m certain it helps far more than people like me who generally watch games with my son or alone unless the game is an early weekend KO and I’m in BKK with friends or on a ride with my MC club.

    Not that many Gooners in Thailand very few indeed, such is our brand non-event here. When you see the kids play football, none wear Arsenal shirts. It’s all Manure, City, Chelsea and Bin Dippers and Leicester City – plus the big 6 from mainland Europe. Almost all pub TVs only show an Arsenal game if no other games are on at the same time.

    Regarding my MC club, I hasten to add here at nearly 66 I don’t ride 800+ KG Harleys anymore in formation for 7 hours a day, on a 10-day ride. I hung my riding boots up at 61 mainly because an accident would see me bleed out very quickly with the meds, I have to take for my coronary disease that thin my blood and stop all coagulation; not a good mix to live with when bleeding.

    A prospect and hang-around have the pleasure of my company in our ride back-up truck and trailer.

    I agree with you that droning on about Arteta’s deficiencies, mental incapacity to settle on an identity and all-round poor characteristics in man-management and as a person gets boring on the daily.

    It’s why I joined in with Kroenkephobe and Almuniasaynomore’s silly song writing to add a little mirth to attempt to counter the abysmal, leaderless running of the club.

    As Almunia said that, he and others like him, that includes me, have had enough of Arteta and all the negatives he continually brings to the club that, so much so, we now have a Xmas to end season table massaged stats that make no sense to us who live for reality, and only makes sense to those in Arteta/Edu denial.

    If the sun always shines in N16, I’m happy for you to see the positives we can’t see, but I’m afraid Arteta dug his own hole and appears to be still digging; therefore, posters are going to say how they feel about what they see as a potential for another poor season with Arteta at the helm regardless of who he buys.

    The fractured fan base continues long after Wenger left the building, which none of us want for the long term. Fans are still at loggerheads with each other after our worst season for decades. Why that is I can’t really fathom, bar the trolls led by Pedro.

    I’ve written many times here I would like nothing better than us Gooners singing from the same hymn sheet, as we were in the early Wenger & most GG years obviously pre Kroenkes.

    Sadly, that’s not going to happen any day soon, so expect people to write about Arteta/Edu and the club suits, as they see any kind developments in the TW or lack of them.

    I won’t be one of the posters baying for Arteta’s blood in the next couple of months as I’ve already said, I’ll just sit back and see what happens investing zero emotions in the TW that will be a first for me for over 55 years.

    No disparaging views from me this TW and the songs have run their course for me.

    However, you can be sure I’ll have plenty to say once we’re in preseason with whatever additions we’ve managed to bring into the club.

    Hopefully, my comments will be positive ones, but with Arteta, Round, Graylick and Edu running the show and Vinai hopelessly out of his depth as a CEO, I’m more inclined to think we’ll have more of the same roller-coaster football next season where us Gooners are going to be more fractured than ever.

    For me Arteta only keeps his job if he attains top 4 and CL football for the season after.

    No silly cups/competitions and massaged Stats can keep Arteta in his job next season.

    Our laughing stock in the eyes of other clubs fans has to finally end.

    Arteta is no longer a rookie.

    That excuse has sailed although the AKBs, as Marc wrote earlier, are busy readying their list of new excuses. Pedro has probably written posts in anticipation for Arteta to continue with mistakes he repeatedly made last season, such as with Saliba, Martinelli, Eddie, Azeez, Balogun et al.

    I’ll join you with your fence sitting and let’s see what he does with the first 10 games if indeed Arteta lasts that long, especially if we have another tough start to the season with games against the top 6.

  89. Gentlebris

    Tony,

    Do you have to write an epistle in the middle of the night to a fella who’s sure to be sleeping, or what time is it in Thailand?

    Why don’t you drink some warm water and check the fridge whether you could find some chicken leg to chew on. It should calm you.

    Just saying anyway.

  90. Gonsterous

    Chaka to leave, tbh when we first bought him, I had Hugh hopes, finally I thought, a deep lying midfielder with vision and a pass.

    During his 5 year stay, I haven’t seen a single defense splitting pass from him.
    All I have ever seen xhaka do was give a long pass out to the wing. That’s all the long passing he has done.

    It’s no wonder we paid 35m because we thought we were getting someone with Pirlos skill set instead we got a poor version of that and it’s no surprise we will get only 15m

  91. Dark Hei

    Can we upgrade on Xhaka.

    I think it is question that needs to be answered in conjunction with Partey.

    The actual question is 2 fold.

    1. Can we get a more suitable partner for Partey than Xhaka.

    2. Can Partey stay fit because Xhaka no matter how you knock him, will be fit and will be useful despite not being super world class

    3. Will Xhaka’s replacement maintain that usefulness without Partey.

    These are all important questions. Just think of the Carzola-Coquelin dynamic. Coquelin is useless without Carzola for Arsenal. But he is the one that makes the an Ozil-Carzola mid works. That combination fails without Coquelin.

  92. Tony

    Bless you Bris for your concern.

    However, I’m 6/7 hours ahead of the UK depending on winter or summer time in the UK, so I write around 8am in the mornings my time.

    If my epistles bore you, please skip them

    Mid mornings and afternoons I’m on the golf course with my son depending on his online class studies. Many lessons are videos for now, so he can mix and match his time off.

    Being a 3rd world country we are still waiting for Covid Vaccines while we wait for the government to decide who is going to profit from the Mordenra vaccine.

    Many hands wanting to be in that pot I would imagine.

  93. Dark Hei

    Sid

    In that case, would you still sell Xhaka? Or get someone who can work with Xhaka instead?

    Because Partey wouldn’t be around half of the time.

  94. Sid

    Ruben Neves can play alongside Partey or without him, willock can play alongside Ruben Neves,

    Ideally we should sign Neves and another CM who can control tempo.

  95. Gonsterous

    I wouldn’t mind seeing willock take elneneys place, the only question is, can artera utilise the youth or will he depend on the experienced players again.

  96. Guns of SF

    Willock will want to be a starter given his end of season loan- he was on fire. 7/7

    I think we end up selling him. We need the money.

    If we can get 22-25M take it…

    If we are getting Neves, we need an Aouar type. TP and Neves are not creators really… ball movers and shooters from outside.

  97. Pierre

    I feel this could be a period of regret at Arsenal football club.

    Regret that we haven’t been brave enough to trust our academy players , and slowly but surely we will just be left with Saka.

    If we do sign Odegaard, Beundia or whoever , Smith Rowe will be surplus to requirements .
    If we keep Lacazette , willian and Aubamayang this will mean Martinelli, Eddie , and Balogun will be surplus to requirements .

    You can add Willock , saliba, Guendouzi and Nelson to that list.
    These are players that have been given little chance to impress under Arteta and players who were NOT culpable for our worst season in decades.

    Keep the experienced players and watch our excellent group of young players lose heart and gradually be sold off to finance more shit signings.

    If Arteta had any intention of giving these players a chance, the end of last season was the time to do it.
    We had 5 or 6 league games to assess some of these players as the games meant nothing .

  98. Danny S

    Pierre

    Eddie will be sold to the first team that bid for him! If he’s really lucky he might end up 1st choice striker in a bottom of the table prem club.

  99. Northbanker

    Tony – think I’m in the same place as you AFC-wise. The time to have sacked Arteta was immediately after Villareal – get on with rebuilding and allow for a full Summer TW for the successor. We haven’t – so MA is clearly going to continue now until at least Christmas so we may as well get used to it. Who knows – maybe he will finally demonstrate what he can do with limited funds to rebuild?

    The inability or choice to not buy Buendia is already an ominous sign of things to come.

    I remain slightly optimistic in spite of this – 3 signings will potentially make a massive difference. The emergence of some really interesting prospects like Azeez and maybe even Patino (surely still a year too early?) and maturing of Saka and ESR give plenty to be hopeful about.

    But i refuse to invest any emotional interest in it unless it actually happens – I will observe the actual news and try to avoid the mostly empty gossip

  100. Sid

    We should let Laca go, he will not improve us, Since it seems we will not sign Edourd, keep Eddie, he has a natural instict to score. Play Balo in the league cup or loan him.

  101. Foxy

    One of the unfortunate side effects of having stuck with Xhaka for 5 seasons is that it probably made quite a few of our players look worse than they were. E. G would our defence have been as bad if our deep lying MF could actually cover and tackle/intercept like say Kante. Would our strikers have scored more with quicker through the lines passes. Would Ozil have been exposed as much for his poor defense play if Xhaka had been a true mobile B2B player and cover for him.

  102. Useroz

    Tony, North …

    When was last Arsenal went for and got a somebody in a somewhat competitive situation in the last 10 years or so?

    Either we went desperate in last minutes as in late Wenger era, or are taken for a ride during Raul and Edu days…

    And the club seem to enjoy double jeopardies, in that we let the agents and/or players screw us once more at contract renewal and sale times…

    “Never learn” appears a Arsenal value, at least in the modern PL era, and Edu , Arteta and Vinai seem to be perfecting the dark art…

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