REVVING UP POSITIVE VIBES ABOUT THE FUTURE (ONE LAST TIME)

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There are two ways we can behave over the next 6 months.

1.Entrenched in our views on where the football club is going and MISERABLE.

2.Positive about some of the basics that are in place and trust the plan for the summer is more January than last summer.

Too many Arsenal fans are taking direction one and it was embarrassing reading yesterday.

‘We’re gonna get spanked by 6’

If you spent the entire pre-game chat talking about how we were going to get spanked by miracle-man-Tuchel, you have absolutely no right to be bitching post-game about the performance and WIN.

Chelsea is the form team in Europe right now. That is proved out with form, that is proved out by big big results, that is proved out by the fact they are in the FA Cup final and the Champions League final. They even beat Manchester City at the weekend.

For large swathes of this season, we’ve been bad. But one real positive is we’re usually pretty decent at the planning part for games against top teams.

Yesterday, Arteta delivered a tactical masterclass and beat Chelsea the only way this squad is capable of doing so… pure shit-housery.

Was it pretty? No.

Was it effective? Absolutely.

We scored a goal because we pressured Chelsea at the back. It was a fluke, but you can’t deny goals from errors we forced aren’t part of the deal.

Then we clung on for dear life and defended like our lives depended on it despite there being nothing on the game for us that anyone cares about (get fucked with the Europa Conference).

It was a long way from protagonist football, but we have to be honest with ourselves, we are where we are in the table, and that’s because we lack the quality to go away to Chelsea for a game of tika-taka.

Arsenal hasn’t won at Stamford Bridge for a decade. That’s a big result. You take whatever you can get.

What you can’t do is sit there and whine about beating big teams in big games. It’s truly embarrassing stuff to see. Who do these fans think they are?

This season hasn’t been great, but thinking yourself above big wins isn’t on I’m afraid.

Let’s also rev up some red meat for the WE HAVEN’T IMPROVED crew.

That’s the table since Christmas day. Important if you are looking for signs that we can finish higher than 8th next season. 22 games of form indicate that we are tracking in the right direction, even if there have been some grim moments.

Third best defence in the league all season. Defensively, we’re much better. We’d be even better if we cut out the massive dumb errors. That will come as we upgrade players.

Attacking wise, we’ve been absolutely awful all season. What can we bank on here? Well, this summer, there will be upgrades all over the place. We won’t have a central midfield this bad next season. We’ll likely add someone who can deliver NOW numbers in attack. The young players are already chalking up more decisive moments and they will get better and better. Auba won’t give us a 10 goal season next year (hopefully). We’ll bin players that have been badly broken by the Arsenal machine over the last decade, mental baggage is a thing and there’s a group of seniors that need to go.

Also look at where we can make up the 9 points for the top 4 next season, because yes, there are only 9 points in it. Zero points against Wolves. Zero points against Aston Villa. Zero points against Everton. One point against Burnley. One point against Palace. Get a better midfield, start the season with creators, and move the fine margins our way and we start taking deep block teams down.

Our job next season is top 4. Since Christmas, we’ve only been outclassed by Liverpool and City. I’m not sure we’re a million miles away from anyone in the chasing pack.

Arteta needs to pick things up. He’s extremely sensitive in the media at the moment and he’s struggling with the pressure. He needs to step up and address the issues he’s helping to make worse. Did you see the Athletic ran with my keeper coach issues and Bernd Leno looking to leave? Move on that issue. The keepers have been dreadful this season. Everyone at the club knows the reasons and it makes Arteta look like a jobs for the boys manager. There needs to more self-reflection from Arteta. He’s not a rockstar, he can’t do it all by himself, and he really needs to build more know-how around him this summer. Vinai cannot allow Arteta to entrench power, he needs to clip his wings and get him back to basics.

Arsenal also needs to think about what the fuck they are doing with football leadership. Edu’s contacts game looks like it’s getting a seeing to. The scouts are being found via a headhunter service, which is excellent news, and stops him stocking the club with his mates. His disaster physio, Brazilian Bruno Mazziotti, looks like he might see the exit door despite Edu being a protector of him. The Athletic reckons Willian, Xhaka, and Bellerin will be exited. I told you months ago that was why Hector has been benched. This is all good news, the Willian stories are almost too good to be true. Again, a mate of Edu, a super agent deal from hell, one of many that should be sounding a huge fucking siren heading into another summer of big investment.

There’s clearly a deep affection between Arteta and the kids, roll with that. Old players being unhappy is telling and obvious. They don’t want to be part of a long-term rebuild at a late stage of their careers. That isn’t a jab at Arteta, it’s a BIG FAT TRUTH about Arsenal. We need to build back smart. Young kids like being coached with future proof methods. They’re getting big chances at a big club. Build on that. Grow a squad for the Champions League… and make sure that when that top 4 position lands, we have a team of 25-year-olds ready to explode. Don’t keep on accepting your captain trudging off like a brat, it’s not good for anyone.

This is a post that is glass half full, and I honestly do not care what anyone thinks about that because I cannot live in football misery for the next 6 months. If we put together a full season of how we’ve played since Christmas, we’ll be in the mix for top 4 come the end of the season. That’s what the plan is, that’s what the club is working towards, I am confident there cannot possibly be a start to the season as bad as the last.

What do YOU think?

See you in the comments.

596 Responses to “REVVING UP POSITIVE VIBES ABOUT THE FUTURE (ONE LAST TIME)”

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  1. Marko

    There’s nothing linking Lukaku away, where are you getting that.

    I saw him linked to Chelsea and City. Look before you keep getting hysterical I agree I don’t think Hakimi is leaving Inter and I don’t think we would have seriously had a chance anyway I was more commented on the logic being that Italian clubs are always open to selling and they’ve got hit hard by covid on top of it.

    You forking out that much for a full-back?

    Yes I would absolutely spend 25-45 million for a full back. We’ve been pissing around with the likes of Cedric, Lichtsteiner, Santos if you want to start getting into LB’s it’s an important position why not target proven quality for once. Should have signed him last summer honestly

  2. TR7

    Marko, I try to judge players based on their performances not on reputation. Chambers has done well as far as I am concerned. We are not going to have 23 world class players in our squad. It is a fact that Chambers and Holding have done well. There are many players who deserve to be offloaded before them namely Leno, Willian, Ceballos ,Bellerin, Nketiah and Nelson and there are players who look all set to leave (AMN, Guen, Odegaard, Torrera, Willock). So we are already looking at a dozen players.who could leave.

  3. Marc

    Valentin

    Agree on Leno, Bellerin, AMN etc I’m not sure about Willian but would be thrilled to get him off the wage bill.

    Xhaka ain’t going anywhere he’s down to 2 years on his contract this is all agent talk so he can get a huge raise and 2 year extension.

    And before you talk about going back to Germany / Switzerland – what would he earn there? He’s on £5.2 million a year here with 2 years guaranteed money – no way he swaps £10.4 million for even a three years contract on £2.6 million a year.

    THE HORROR THE HORROR

  4. Marko

    I try to judge players based on their performances not on reputation. Chambers has done well as far as I am concerned

    No you don’t. Cause if you were judging him on his performances he’d have been sold already. Chambers will have been here 8 years this summer and he’s never held down a starting spot for any proper amount of time. He’d also fetch us some money so again I don’t know why we don’t sell him.

  5. WengerEagle

    Rodrigo de Paul would be a smart alternative to Grealish. Plays for a bad side in Italy who have no money. Could easily be bought for 30m ish.

    He matches up fairly well to Grealish to:

    Grealish- 22 apps, 6 goals, 10 assists, 2.7 dribbles/take ons, 3.3 key passes, dispossessed 1.5 times a game [low considering the dribbles], 40 passes per game with 83% completion, 0.7 crosses, 1.2 tackles won, 0.5 interceptions.

    Rodrigo de Paul- 34 apps, 9 goals [6 without pens], 9 assists, 3.4 dribbles/take ons, 2.4 key passes, dispossessed 1.6 times a game [very low considering the dribbles], 51 passes with 80% completion rate, 2.1 crosses, 1.2 tackles won, 0.5 interceptions.

    Numbers show that there isn’t much in the difference. Grealish slightly better but not a vast difference at all. And I would argue that Villa are a better team that Udinese which benefits Grealish.

  6. TR7

    Marko

    No let’s not talk about 8 years. How will you rate Chamber’s performance in the current season on a scale of 10 ?

  7. Marko

    It is a fact that Chambers and Holding have done well

    Again they have not. They have been at best squad players bit part players who haven’t moved the needle for us in any way these past few years. Think Djourou and Senderos only given more leeway because of their nationalities

  8. Pedro

    My god Valentin, you are such a drama queen. Saliba will play under Arteta if he’s given the chance. He’s a 19-year-old centre back who even his biggest fan boys are saying is a long way from being ready to start in the Premier League.

  9. WengerEagle

    ‘Look before you keep getting hysterical I agree I don’t think Hakimi is leaving Inter and I don’t think we would have seriously had a chance anyway I was more commented on the logic being that Italian clubs are always open to selling and they’ve got hit hard by covid on top of it.’

    Nobody is getting hysterical you plum.

    And 25m for a player that they paid 40m for last summer that has provided 5 more direct goal contributions than anybody else in the Inter side besides their two strikers and is a RWB? I have a bridge for sale while you’re at it.

  10. Marko

    No let’s not talk about 8 years. How will you rate Chamber’s performance in the current season on a scale of 10 ?

    Why don’t you want to talk about 8 years though? It’s like with Arteta and focusing on the results since Christmas it’s pointless in the broader scheme of things. Chambers has been here a long time and not contributed enough or kicked on… hoping that he will in another 1/2/3/4 years is ridiculous. Again why do Arsenal fans have such a hard time letting go of average players

  11. Marko

    And 25m for a player that they paid 40m for last summer

    Eh? Who said that he can be gotten for 25 million? I’m talking about I’d spend that much on a RB instead of you know sticking with Bellerin and targeting free shit back ups like we’ve been doing for the past few years.

  12. Rich

    Pedro

    Not sure what a post COVID market will look like, and without getting players out, numerically it’ll be really difficult getting any in, we could essential lose 7-8 players, without the need for any replacements from a numbers point of view

    We should definitely be looking for quality over quantity, and the internal market is safer than bringing in players in from abroad, who often need 6-12 months to adjust, as we’ve seen with the likes of Havertz, Werner this season, even Henry + Pires took some time to adapt

    If we’re inactive, or don’t aim for our top targets, we’ll be looking at another season fighting it out between 6th and 10th

    KSE have been backed into a corner, and they don’t really have a choice about whether they come out swinging or not, if they don’t put it right on the pitch, their asset is basically fu*ked

    Tie down Smith-Rowe, Saka, Tierney, Saliba for 5years, and add 3-4 players in the 23-25 bracket, who can come in and hit the ground running

    Don’t know anything about Camavinga, but unless we’re convinced he can hit the ground running, I’d be inclined to stay clear of a player we might need to take a couple of seasons to develop, we’re not in a position to develop too many young players right now, on top of the few we’ve already got

    We need to get back into the CL, and by any means necessary

    If for example Rice + Grealish cost us £150 million, and they’re the two players we think can get us back to where we need to be, then that’s what we need to do

    If we qualify for 3 out of the next 5 CL’s, then they’ve basically covered their fees

  13. WengerEagle

    Lukewarm on Chambers.

    He only has a year left on his deal so I doubt that we’ll get an offer north of 5-10m for him on the open market.

    As cover, he’s pretty good. Not starting quality but he can cover two positions and you need these players.

    Bellerin is the one that we need to sell. More market value than Chambers and less likely to be content with being a back-up.

  14. Pedro

    Rich, it’ll be interesting to see if the market is depressed for Premier League players. For certain, Europe is utterly fucked, particularly the french league. Rich pickings… question will certainly be whether Arteta can afford to risk a slow start with yr 2 players.

  15. WengerEagle

    25m-45m is quite the range Marko.

    We’re not United or Chelsea, we can’t afford to be dropping that on a full back.

    Could easily get a very good one for 20m as long as you’re looking in the right places.

  16. TR7

    ‘Again why do Arsenal fans have such a hard time letting go of average players’

    No it is not about emotions at all. We sometimes play 3 at the back which means we need a right sided defender in a back 3. We need a back up RB anyway, a slot he can fill in. He has been above average in most of the games he’s played this season. He doesn’t command huge wages and he doesn’t expect to start every game, kind of content with being a back up option too. I mean do we sell him only because he is never going to be a VVD ? I mean we have bought Gabriel and Saliba on good money and they are supposed to be our top defensive players. Let’s see whether they live up to their billing. Gabriel has been shit bar a couple of games and Saliba is still on loan which kind of makes the likes of Holding and Chambers even more important. We have enough players marked for exit anyway. Again how will you rate Chamber’s performance this season on a scale of 10 ?

  17. Nelson

    Arsene Wenger:” The big players do better in the competition than in training.. They perform under pressure in a big game.” Some wise words.

  18. Marko

    Nah I’d personally bin off Bellerin and Chambers and Holding. Again I don’t see the upside to keeping them even if you’re talking squad players we can target replacements for them who might actually offer something nee. At this point you know what you’re going to get with Chambers and Holding as squad players and it’s not a lot. Could get decent money for them too considering that some English clubs would want them. And again if it’s an English thing then why not replace them with an English player. Like I’d sell two of chambers and Holding for one of Ben White in a heartbeat cause he’d actually make a difference

  19. WengerEagle

    ‘Nah I’d personally bin off Bellerin and Chambers and Holding. Again I don’t see the upside to keeping them even if you’re talking squad players we can target replacements for them who might actually offer something nee.’

    How many players do you want us to sell, 15?

    Chambers and Holding are both decent players that do a job for us when called upon. No I don’t want either starting but why would you bin them and bring in unknown replacements for cover to our main defenders that may or may not work out?

    Who would probably cost as much/more than we would get for selling Holding and Chambers.

  20. Marko

    We’re not United or Chelsea, we can’t afford to be dropping that on a full back.

    You sound like Charles. If it makes you feel better you can make it 20-40 million so but yeah I dunno why we keep pissing away on an important position when if you just went and paid the money for proven quality it’d work out better than signing up piss shit full backs on the regular. I mean I look at United and Inter paying 40 and 50 million for a fullback and instead of thinking why haven’t they gone the Arsenal route you know buying garbage and sticking with an error prone RB as starter instead I think they’ve just bought a RB for potentially the next 5-8 years. Thus saving how much more than chopping and changing

  21. TR7

    We don’t know how much Ben White will cost. We don’t know whether he will be looking for a move to Arsenal and we don’t know either whether he will actually turn out to be good for Arsenal. No idea whether he will be content with a back up role. So many variables that we don’t know about. When there’s a lot of work to be done in this transfer window why should the management saddle themselves with the task of finding a replacement for Holding/Chambers when there’s no harm in keeping them.

  22. AFC Forever

    Rich

    “Can’t afford not to invest”

    Absolutely. Nobody in their right mind wants to sit on a depreciating asset. The Arsenal brand is still huge, which means we still have a degree of pulling power but they will know that this squad needs proper investment. You can’t piddle around in the bargain basement or rely solely on developing young players, they will know that.

    Anyway, I have just read an interesting tactical piece on Man City, which gives an insight into the way Arteta is possibly going to go. For years they’ve been diluting their reliance on a striker, number 9, or however you want to describe a frontline striker and filling the team with attacking midfielders. The fact that their leading PL goalscorer is Gundogan, with 12, is an eye-opener when you consider they are already on 80 points and have a goal difference of plus 48. Aguero has been injured but without him, Jesus & Torres are often having to accept bit-part roles from the bench. Often Guardiola omits a striker and fills his team with attacking midfield players. Whether or not an element of that is because he doesn’t trust Jesus or Torres is open for debate but nonetheless, it is often a team without a traditional striker.

    Their front five, if you like, often comes from the six of De Bruyne, Foden, Gundogan, Mahrez, Sterling & Bernardo, which is quite something. In all competitions, their goals have been shared out pretty evenly; Gundogan has 16, Sterling 14, Mahrez 14 & Foden 14, KDB 9, Bernardo 5, so their midfield contributes most of their goals, 72 in total, with their strikers Jesus, Torres & Aguero making up the other numbers with around 27 goals.

    Of course, the Villareal home game may not mean anything at all (after all Arteta was without the injured Lacazette & Aubamayang wasn’t fit after his Malaria) but it could be an indication that he may look to add more attacking options to our midfield and load the team in the same way his best mate Guardiola has done.

  23. Champagne Charlie

    “I don’t see the upside to keeping them even if you’re talking squad players we can target replacements for them who might actually offer something new”

    Everything you needed to know about Marko’s views on transfers, fascinated by something new the child.

  24. Dissenter

    We don’t have starting RB in the club, yet people are arguing that we keep yet another back-up player.
    Had we not signed Soares to a 4 year deal, then by all means keep Chambers but that boat has already sailed.

    We have a squad full of irregular back-ups and people just want more of that.

    If we keep Chambers, what happens to Soares?

  25. Marc

    “Rich, it’ll be interesting to see if the market is depressed for Premier League players.”

    If you mean by that will PL clubs be spending – my guess is it’ll be a mix (they’ll spend some money) Chelsea, ManU and City will spend significant amounts, Spud’s and Arsenal will both have money problems without selling. Strangely small PL clubs won’t have been that affected by COVID as badly clubs like Burnley or Brighton even Leicester don’t have huge match day income which is massively dwarfed by the PL TV money.

    If we want to sell players that’s where we need to aim – we don’t have any players we’d want to sell who are good enough for City / Chelsea etc.

  26. Marko

    why would you bin them and bring in unknown replacements for cover to our main defenders that may or may not work out?

    The argument of unknown is a bit funny when you consider that after 8 years of chambers you KNOW what you’re getting with him and yes I would take the “unknown” in signing up someone like Ben White over the known Chambers and Holding. Again I don’t understand why Arsenal have trouble with letting go of average players. These are squad players we’re talking about here fucking squad players. If we get this bent out of shape over selling squad players is it any wonder why we struggle to actually address the squad.

    Arsenal fans: we need signings to make squad better.

    Common sense: you need money for that you have to sell some players.

    Arsenal fans: oh I dunno I really like that player and this player is a good squad player…durrr

    Every summer. Hey you know what maybe there’s a correlation between us not being able to sign up quality proven fullbacks like what Chelsea and United do and not being able to let go of squad players for decent money. Wild guess

  27. TR7

    Dissenter

    Chambers is a back up CB too, not merely a back up RB. Let’s be honest he has done better than some of the first choice defenders we have.

  28. Pedro

    TR7, if you can’t name an individual error by one of our defenders, they stay. Chambers elite in that sense.

  29. Marko

    Everything you needed to know about Marko’s views on transfers, fascinated by something new the child.

    That must be it. And Pedro as well doesn’t seem to understand either. But yes if a player hasn’t done much in 8 years I would think that’s more telling than something he’s done the last few months in one of our worst seasons in memory. I seem to remember a certain Arsene Wenger getting criticized around here for not taking 17 or 19 million from crystal palace for Chambers way back when and now we’re making snide remarks about keeping him on as a squad player for another season. We kinda deserve this manager and this rut we’re stuck in we really do

  30. Champagne Charlie

    Pedro, he’s a the transfer Gandalf.

    We signed Kieran Tierney for 25 mil but that’s now unreasonable an amount to spend on a RB, we should be nearing 50 mil like United and Chelsea to make it valid.

    Apparently pointing out the obvious in terms of financial clout is lost on Marko.

  31. Marc

    Chambers is a solid versatile squad player and Arteta likes him. He is hitting the last year of his contract however so it’s sell or sign.

    My guess is we’ll extend and I won’t have a problem with that – there are far bigger issues in the squad than Chambers and just look at some of the squad players who picked up multiple Championship medals at ManU.

  32. Marko

    So many variables that we don’t know about

    That’s true but one thing we do know one thing that we can count on is Chambers and Holding at Arsenal will still be nothing more than squad players.

  33. WengerEagle

    Marko

    You’re a being a simpleton if you can’t spot the difference between United and us. We’re about to finish midtable on top of this.

    And Inter buying Hakimi was more picking up a missing piece of the puzzle for Conte. They weren’t far off winning the league last season and didn’t need major reinforcements.

    If we drop 40m on a RB, how much does that leave for the LW, CAM, CM that we desperately need?

    We have scored just 50 fucking goals in the league this season but sure, lets go spunk 40m on a spanking new RB.

  34. TR7

    Pedro

    Yeah extending Chamber’s contract is a right decision. It’s not his fault he wasn’t binned in so many summers gone by. He has done well this season and deserves an extension on that basis. You are right he hasn’t made many errors this season.

  35. AFC Forever

    Pedro

    “Rich, it’ll be interesting to see if the market is depressed for Premier League players. For certain, Europe is utterly fucked, particularly the french league. Rich pickings… question will certainly be whether Arteta can afford to risk a slow start with yr 2 players”

    Very good point. We discussed something similar a while back. Spain also has problems, both Real and Barca have piled on the debt, over a billion euros each. Barca are €1,173m in debt, with €730m of that sum due in the short term. Indeed €266m is owed to the banks by 30 June 2021, of which €90m is owed to Goldman Sachs. It won’t happen but they are staring down the barrel at bankruptcy. It was claimed that the wage bill at Barcelona occupies 74 percent of the club’s total income – a figure that exceeds the league limit of 70 percent. Rumours that Barcelona have agreed a two year deal with Aguero, are therefore interesting. Barcelona will be under serious pressure, so that is likely to indicate the sale of assets, players in other words. This is why the Spanish clubs were so keen on the ESL, it was a way to demonstrate to their creditors they had a plan to get out of their mess.

    Their mess affects the market even though, unfortunately, the doped clubs can spend what the hell they like; so there may still be an element of artificial hiking of prices. Don’t be surprised to see loan deals being agreed upon. In a depressed market, retaining an asset but getting the wages off the books may be seen as the most viable option as opposed to selling cheap. Although in the case of Real, Barca and some of the French clubs, they may have no option than to sell players.

    This will benefit PL clubs like us, so this could be an interesting summer transfer window.

  36. Pedro

    Marko, how did that elite logic work out for Bernd Leno vs Emi Martinez? Which keeper won out this year?

    Ahhh…

    A 26 year old defender, heading into their prime, that can play right-back or centre back is probably worth paying attention to. No one cares what he was doing at 23. The same way no Liverpool scout said, ‘hey let’s use the Marko rule of thumb and go back 8 years on VVD before we sign him.’

  37. Marko

    We signed Kieran Tierney for 25 mil but that’s now unreasonable an amount to spend on a RB

    You literally didn’t read what was said and that’s okay words are tough. Maybe go back and have a read before commenting. Or you know maybe sit this one out before someone brings up Lichtsteiner and Antonio Valencia you know.

  38. WengerEagle

    ‘These are squad players we’re talking about here fucking squad players. If we get this bent out of shape over selling squad players is it any wonder why we struggle to actually address the squad.”

    What price are we getting for Chambers with one year on his deal, 5m?

    What gem are you going to pick up as a replacement for that kind of money then? That can cover two positions and is happy to play second fiddle.

  39. TR7

    Marko

    You made the same argument about Martinez as to how he had been here at Arsenal for a decade and couldn’t get a look in until Leno got injured. 12 months later we know Leno has cost us more than 8-9 goals whereas Martinez is getting plaudits from everywhere for his performances. So this argument about 8 years of not kicking on doesn’t hold much water in the case of Chambers.

  40. Rich

    AFC Forever

    Not sure about no strikers, but I’m definitely in favour of loading our squad with midfield technicians who can chip in with double figures goals + assists

    Saka + Smith-Rowe will both get there, but are still young and learning the game

    Hopefully we’ll add a couple more this summer, take a bit of pressure off the 2 young lads

    Right now money is losing its value as lunatic governments are non stop printing it, interest rates are low, so it’s cheap to borrow, and assets are appreciating in value as a result, and inflation beginning to kick in

    Everything is pointing in the direction of KSE investment into Arsenal, we’re in a mess both on and off the pitch, their three options are:

    1. Be passive, do little or do nothing, as Arsenal drifts further into obscurity, which puts them in a weak position to renegotiate commercial + manufacturing deals in 2 years time

    2. Be aggressive, get on the front foot, invest heavily, and try and get a winning team that’s again playing in the CL

    3. Sell the club

    I don’t think they’ll sell, option 1 isn’t really an option, that only leaves option no 2, not investing into the playing staff isn’t really an option for KSE, not unless they want the rot to set in further

    When people are being greedy, you should be fearful, and when people are being fearful, you should be greedy

    Hopefully KSE do what billionaires are famed for, and that’s capitalise during an economic downturn, plenty of clubs with money worries, we need to turn the screw

  41. Marko

    You’re a being a simpleton if you can’t spot the difference between United and us.

    Oh no I can spot it they’re an incredibly smart club who dropped money on a position that could now be covered for the best part of a decade while Arsenal shop around the free market every couple of years for shit back ups behind our shit starter. I’m not saying 50 million they overpaid obviously but a big fee for a full back? Absolutely. Hakimi last summer 36 million euros would have been perfect he’d have solved the issue for how many years? Meanwhile it’s 2021 and we’ve yet to replace Bacary Sagna. That’s the point

  42. Champagne Charlie

    “You literally didn’t read what was said and that’s okay words are tough. Maybe go back and have a read before commenting. Or you know maybe sit this one out before someone brings up Lichtsteiner and Antonio Valencia you know.“

    I didn’t read you scoff at Weagle saying we shouldn’t spunk 40 mil on a Rb? Guess I’m imaging his response right above too.

    You’re offering up scorn towards anyone questioning the logic in rinsing the squad players for more squad players. Nvm actually taking into consideration the individual value and contractual circumstances of each.

    Chambers had value 2/3 years ago circa 20 mil and we passed. This summer he’s got what value in his last year that’s worth ridding us of a good pro that’s been decent this season?

    Just more wizardry from you in the transfer market.

  43. WengerEagle

    ‘Chambers had value 2/3 years ago circa 20 mil and we passed. This summer he’s got what value in his last year that’s worth ridding us of a good pro that’s been decent this season?’

    Nailed it.

  44. Emiratesstroller

    Pedro

    I am confident that Arsenal will have a decent transfer budget this summer.

    One suspects that this has been already agreed with the owner. My gut feeling is that Edu and Arteta have been instructed to sell certain players and rather like last season Kroenke will probably make up any shortfall.

    Arsenal outmanoeuvred Athletico Madrid, because they and everybody else assumed that
    we did not have the budget to buy Partey or Aouar on the terms which were set by AM and
    Lyon. Arsenal bought Partey by paying £44 million in one sum.

    There were very few other clubs apart from Man City and Chelsea who were able to do that
    last summer.

    My gut feeling is that if Arsenal decide that they want to buy Odegaard we will need to pay
    Real Madrid on similar basis. Real Madrid need money.

    Most other clubs in Europe will be limited in the transfer market by the sales that they can
    make and to balance the books.

    I have a feeling that Stan Kroenke will be willing to spend a sizeable chunk of money in addition to sales we make.

    Realistically most of the players which we will seek to offload will probably be sold for less
    than the figures touted on Le Grove as the players are either in final year of contract or unwanted. They will fetch between £10-20 million rather than the inflated prices some posters seem to think that they are worth.

  45. Marko

    The same way no Liverpool scout said, ‘hey let’s use the Marko rule of thumb and go back 8 years on VVD before we sign him.’

    Right this is the last time I’ll address you because you’re setting me up for an obvious ban. Difference between what you said and what I’m saying is that VVD was more or less starting showing progress and impressing for years before Liverpool signed him meanwhile it’s been 8 years for Chambers and he’s been a constant squad player going out on loans. Big difference some might say.

    But look I should know better by now than to argue with Arsenal fans and their hoarding of average players that now comes with an average manager (that’s being kind he’s shit). Hey maybe next season will be different

  46. AFC Forever

    Rich

    Totally agree mate. Despite what some people like to say, Arsenal is a legacy club and a brand that holds its own. It’s going through a rough period but it’s a sleeping giant. KSE know this, these are smart guys so they aren’t going to sell the club, they don’t behave like knee-jerk fans do. The climate offers them an opportunity to invest and grow an asset, which ultimately is the name of the game.

    I agree about player recruitment. We have a problem with goals in the team and in previous seasons we have been spoilt with third-man runners and creative, attacking midfield players. My piece about Man City & Peps football ideology is a reflection of what i have seen and the way I expect Arteta to go. This squad is not suited to the way he will want us to play and there has been massive compromise at times, we can all see that. Tempo and movement through the pitch rely on technically gifted players and that’s where I can see some additions.

  47. Valentin

    AFC,

    ManCity is in transition and in order to be successful they had to wean themselves from the Aguero dependance. It may have been Guardiola plan all along to play without a recognise striker, but I think it is more due to Jesus not hitting the height that they were hoping.

    I would not be surprised if next year, Ferran Torres is repositioned as a CF before the rumoured Haaland arrival in 2022 after ManCity trigger his £68 millions release clause.

  48. Marko

    WE we could still get 10-15 million for Chambers easily even with a year left on his deal cause potential wages wouldn’t be that high. It’s a smarter bet than another contract. Like I don’t get how someone can look at what we did last summer with AMN or chambers a few years back and think hey let’s do that exact same thing this summer.

    Would you sell AMN this summer WE?

  49. Ishola70

    Just going back to that list mentioned of deep lying playmakers.

    It’s so vain even to be mentioning deep lying playmakers in respect of this current Arsenal side.

    Let’s dominate that ball deep or rely on longer passes from deep when we are being swamped in central midfield.

    Arsenal are not a good enough overall side to have a deep player with the cigar on spraying passes from deep.

    If we had a couple of beasts in central midfield then we might get away with such a player but we don’t.

    We need midfielders that can all engage the centre for lengths of time.

    Jorginho actually steps up many times and engages the centre of the pitch although we all saw how suspectible he can be to the press when he gifted Arsenal a goal the other night.

  50. MD-Gunner

    REVVING UP POSITIVE VIBES ABOUT THE FUTURE clashes with REALITY!!

    Money wise Arsenal has been dismal in player recruitment compared to Leicester who sold five stars for £260m… then re-built a team now worth £430m that plays Chelsea in the FA Cup final.

    Chelsea’s Abramovich ‘will hand Tuchel £150m to spend this summer’, despite paying £253m for new players just 12 months ago with a new striker top priority. That means top 4 are out of reach unless MC, MU, Chavs or Pool collapse next season and even then look what MC did after collapse early on.

    Saka is one of three 19 year old players in Europe’s leagues that has played more then 3000 minutes, what does that say about what the club is relying upon? Arteta I am looking at you and Willian who should have helped not to exhaust Saka.

    Tony was quite right with his comment “where are the sponsors” when looking at the reality of the people in charge from CEO on down. Reality is a bitch, but the Arteta fans are doing what politicians do when they messed up the economy, look GREEN SHOOTS AFC beat the Chavs. Football is 90 minutes long and the competition is 38 games per season at the end you will see was it a success or a failure..

  51. Ishola70

    I see De Paul keeps being mentioned.

    I mentioned him on here two or three seasons ago and thought he looked pretty good but haven’t really followed him thereafter.

  52. WengerEagle

    ‘But look I should know better by now than to argue with Arsenal fans and their hoarding of average players’

    You’re embarrassing yourself a bit here, really.

    If we sell every player on your wish list we’d need to bring in 10-12 new players just to make up the numbers for a squad. Name me one successful side that sold 50%+ of their entire squad and replaced them all in one window?

    It’s about picking your battles and assessing each player case individually. Willock and Chambers on paper are both squad players. One is young, on a longer contract and has pedigree given he is just coming off a successful loan to Newcastle, a club with money.

    We could easily negotiate up to 25m for him.

    Whereas Chambers is 26, has seen his value plummet due to years being a squad player and has only ONE year left on his deal. We would be doing well to pull in more than 5m for him.

    He is also decent back up and can cover two positions. Not to mention is homegrown, has a great attitude and rapport with the team.

  53. Captain Tierney

    ‘Rumours abound that Xhaka under pressure from his wife wants to go back to Germany or Switzerland.’

    Another Valentine special. No report of Xhaka’s wife forcing a move but Val and his inside sources.
    Why do you do this?

    Luiz is out

  54. Emiratesstroller

    AFC

    Let’s leave aside the point that Arsenal is a “legacy” club.

    If there is one lesson learned by the Kroenke family it is that “the self sustaining” financial
    model only works if a] the club is successful and b] the economic climate is generating revenue.

    No football club on the planet is making money and most are incurring substantial losses.

    The Kroenke family has a very simple decision to make. If they want to see progress then
    the club needs to invest in players.

    Obviously I don’t see them spending out of their own pocket £100 million on players but I
    do think that they would be prepared to spend up to £50 million if required.

    They proved that last season when we bought Partey.

    Clearly the Kroenke disposable wealth is not at the same level as owners of Man City, but I do think that it matches or exceeds most other owners.

  55. Marko

    If we sell every player on your wish list we’d need to bring in 10-12 new players just to make up the numbers for a squad

    Jesus Christ we should have been doing this over the last few years. I don’t understand how you can have this stance on someone like Chambers and Holding but at the same time want someone like Elneny and AMN gone.

    So I’ll just simply ask would you sell AMN this summer? And why?

  56. WengerEagle

    Marko

    You’re off your tits if you think anyone is going to be lining up to pay us 10m+ for Chambers. He’s a back-up full back in the final year of his deal.

    As for AMN, yes. I wanted us to take Wolves’ offer last year but we blew that.

    Has done ok on loan for West Brom, could still fetch 15-20m.

  57. DivineSherlock

    David Luiz is out . One less CB to worry about . I hear Ryan Bertrand is available, who is his agent ? About time we linked him up with Cedric , Southampton Reunion .

  58. Marko

    Whereas Chambers is 26, has seen his value plummet due to years being a squad player and has only ONE year left on his deal.

    You’re just looking for any old excuse now. We could easily get 10 million for him and imo that would be better than god knows how much we’d put in to a new contract. That’s even without getting into the whole squad player and being potentially replaced with better argument

  59. Crimson

    ….if we do make any signings. Have to be careful with the AFCON in January. Along time in the future but past regimes have regularly not been wise, as we all know.
    Partey. Auba, Pepe, Elneny will be gone for at least a month.

  60. AFC Forever

    Marko

    “But look I should know better by now than to argue with Arsenal fans”

    Arsenal fans?

    Strange comment, perhaps you should go and argue with Spuds or Chelsea ones and see what happens when you rile them. I’ll hold your coat!

  61. Marko

    You’re off your tits if you think anyone is going to be lining up to pay us 10m+ for Chambers. He’s a back-up full back in the final year of his deal.

    Yes. He’s English there’s still some good faith left in him since his Fulham spell and apparently he’s coming off a good season with us. Absolutely some English club would pay 10 million for him

  62. TR7

    Marko

    Who has performed better than Chambers in central defense except Mari ? Luiz was good in many games but also had a few very poor games. Gabriel injured or off form. Saliba didn’t play. Chambers and Holding hit 6/10, 7/10 scores in most of the games they played.

  63. WengerEagle

    As Charlie said, Chambers had value in years gone by and we should have sold him then. Same with Elneny.

    It’s not worth selling them now because you are not going to find better players for the very low fees you will take in for them. They are settled into the club as squad players now, low value in the market whereas decent value for what they produce on the pitch as back up.

    Do us a favour lad, don’t be so quick to throw in your CV for the Edu gig.

  64. WengerEagle

    Ishola

    Give Sideshow Bob some credit, he had his moments here.

    He was important in our FA Cup win. Even you can’t deny that and you labelled him our worst ever signing beforehand and hated him more than anyone barring Xhaka.

  65. Marc

    Wasi

    ” No report of Xhaka’s wife forcing a move but Val and his inside sources.”

    They have been reports about Xhaka seeking a move – don’t care about the reasons – it’s bullshit it’s just agent talk for contract negotiations.

  66. TR7

    When Luiz is at his best he is truly elite. Sadly he is never far away from big errors but for a free signing he did well.

  67. AFC Forever

    Emirates

    “The Kroenke family has a very simple decision to make. If they want to see progress then
    the club needs to invest in players.”

    As Rich and I have been discussing, nobody wants to own a depreciating asset. You either sell or invest. The point about Arsenal being such a huge legacy club is extremely relevant. Pumping mass investment into Burnley won’t produce the same result as it will one of the Worlds most glamorous clubs. In order to realise the potential of a club as big as ours, massive investment is needed but the proposition is an attractive one to an investor. Not so Burnley. Therefore, I expect KSE to dig deep because I have no doubt that when Arteta was appointed they weren’t as daft as some fans, they knew the score. As Rich said, the depressed market due to Covid and the low-interest rates combine to create an investment opportunity. I believe the added spice to the mix was their misreading of the ESL project and the reaction of our fans. I genuinely believe we could be in for a very good summer window.

  68. Emiratesstroller

    We will be disappointed with most of the offers, which are being made for players which we
    wish to sell.

    There are very few clubs today who are going to spend £40 million + on a player unless they
    are making equivalent sales.That applies not only to clubs in EPL but Europe as a whole.

    Upamecano one of the most highly rated Centre Backs has been sold by RB Leipzig to Bayern Munich for just £35 million.

  69. Marko

    It’s not worth selling them now because you are not going to find better players for the very low fees you will take in for them

    Even that argument is he’s value is so low now that we’re better off keeping him? That’s a pathetic argument so we might as well just keep our players who have gone to shit. If that’s the case I don’t want to see anything from you about selling Elneny or even Bellerin cause you know we missed a chance to sell him a few years back for really good money and now he’s worth significantly less so we might as well keep him.

    Also I disagree with what you said up top I believe we could get 10 million for him and 10 million on top of let’s say 20-25 million for AMN or Nketiah could be the difference between bringing in a really good I dunno CM or CAM or whatever and having to accept someone less.y god selling chambers could be the difference between getting De Paul or getting in an i dunno

  70. Ishola70

    Weagle

    Xhaka was important in our cup win.

    I remember him especially performing heroics defensively on his own goal line for most of the match against Man City alongside Luiz.

    But let’s put it into overall perspective. They were performing heroics on their own six yard box for 90 minutes in a secondary cup competition both Luiz and Xhaka.

    You were wrong to big up the David Luiz signing. We all knew what he was about before he joined and he didn’t fail us in that respect.

    The club wanted primarily to get back into the premier european competition the CL and what good did Luiz do for that? Zero. Zilch.

    His signing was a waste of time.

  71. Dream10

    I have always liked Luiz. Wouldn’t have mind keeping him on for another. Wonder if getting rid of him will decelerate Gabriel’s development.

    We’re going to have two left footed CBs in the squad next year and there is a case for both of them being squad players. That is bad balance

  72. Emiratesstroller

    AFC Forever

    Arsenal are of course a “legacy club”.

    However, I don’t think that Kroenke will factor that into the financial decision he needs to make. He is not sentimental but a hard headed businessman.

    I have pointed out on many occasions that Kroenke controlled but did not own the club until
    he bought out Usmanov.

    Since then there has been a material change in his investment policy including buying out bond holders and also providing funds last year to buy Partey.

    I think that he will provide a similar budget this summer + whatever we are generating in sales.

  73. Dream10

    Arteta sees Chambers as a RB. The club plans to sign a RB. Why the fuck did he sign Cedric then?

    A loan fee was paid for Cedric. Then a four year deal in increased wages. Pretty sure a multi year deal will be given to Ryan Bertrand as well. A loan fee was paid for Pablo Mari and turned into a permanent summer deal. Then Gabriel, another left footer, was signed four months after.

    Can’t keep a manger who is poor in the market and produces indecent results. That is enough evidence to sack him tbh

  74. Rich

    Right now the only value that matters to Arsenal is on the pitch

    Buying players who we’ll expect to see a return on investment from in year 2 or 3, really isn’t going to cut it, we haven’t got 2-3 years to spend battling it out in 6th-10th place

    We’re already 5 seasons outside the CL, another 2-3 seasons would be catastrophic

    The only mandate this summer, should be clear out the deadwood

    Then assemble a team that can win more football games on a consistent basis ASAP, and win in style

    We need to win the hearts + minds of kids all over the globe, and fill up seats and boxes at the Emirates, right now kids are growing up and buying City + Liverpool + Chelsea shirts, nobody would be interested in supporting Arsenal right now, unless they were already hooked in

    We’re currently dishing up the football equivalent of a steaming pile of turd

    They say the PL has a potential market audience of over 4.5 billion people, which is over half the global population, we need to make sure we’re taking our fair share of that market

    £250 million investment now, is a drop in the ocean in comparison to some of the potential revenue streams that’ll emerge over the next couple of decades within emerging markets

    Football is the most watched sport on the planet, and the PL by far the most watched league, we have to be looking to take advantage of that

  75. WengerEagle

    Ishola

    I didn’t big it up, I said that for the low fee [8m] that he could be a good signing acting as a mentor to the younger players and bringing a much needed winning mentality to the dressing room.

    He had his fair share of horror moments and overall wasn’t a very good defender for us but for what we paid for him and the role he played in helping us win a trophy, I would say he turned out to be a decent signing.

    I mean I don’t treasure the FA Cup like I used to as it has lost a lot of its prestige but a waste of time? It’s still a legit trophy.

    Try telling Tuchel and Rodgers that it is second rate and doesn’t matter.

    You called it our worst ever signing so you ought to walk that back and concede he was ok for an 8m one.

  76. Ishola70

    We may as well have kept the old boy Wenger on if all that is required is to win the odd FA Cup here and there.

  77. Mr Serge

    Rice over Grealish for me villa are rich and they will lot sell their best player they will add to what they got last season.
    Rice is gettable if Man u go all out for Sancho

  78. Emiratesstroller

    Rich

    That is why we bought Partey last summer and paid top dollar.

    The problem is that most players when they move clubs and particularly from European Leagues to EPL take time to adapt.

    That is certainly the case with Partey. Personally I like to think that he will be a much better
    player than we have seen sofar next season.

  79. Marc

    “£250 million investment now, is a drop in the ocean in comparison to some of the potential revenue streams that’ll emerge over the next couple of decades within emerging markets”

    A £250 million investment now is actually £250 million in debt we need to repay as well as the contracts that go with the purchases – odds are that the combined contracts will add up to a further £200 odd million of 4 or 5 years.

    That’s almost half a billion pounds but people throw numbers about as if it’s confetti. We’ve spent a lot of money the last few seasons and for every pound we spend we go down and lose even more in lost revenue.

    Spending money is not the answer if it’s not the right people spending the money and money spent poorly now is money not available when we finally do realise what’s going on.

    I’d rather not spend a penny this summer.

  80. Gonsterous

    Apart from ESR, Saka, Tierney, Pepe and Martinelli, I don’t really care if anyone gets sold.

  81. Valentin

    CT,

    Maybe if you were able to read more than one language…
    When I say one language, I am being generous, in view of your regular issue of not understanding basic English.

  82. WengerEagle

    Marko

    I don’t know if you’re taking the piss or if you’re really just struggling to follow here.

    How is Bellerin comparable to Chambers? Bellerin once upon a time probably could have got us a Hakimi like fee but now he has lost a lot of value, sure. He’ll still fetch us at least 15m, probably closer to 20m.

    I didn’t say he had gone to shit, I said that he has lost his value. Chambers is still a very adequate back up RB/CB but he is in the last year of his deal.

    You’re seemingly just operating on the assumption that contracts don’t exist.

    Elneny is 29 and has been a squad player for years, again how much is he fetching us on the open market? He’s not good enough to start but he can put in a shift as cover.

    Does selling Elneny for 5m and keeping Guendouzi instead of selling Guendouzi for 15-20m while keeping Elneny make more sense to you when they give us basically the same production?

  83. AFC Forever

    Marc

    “I’d rather not spend a penny this summer.”

    Jesus mate, you really do need to cheer the fuck up. There’s negativity and then there’s you. Have a cold beer or take a stroll and find a little bloke to beat up. Better still, visit the local zoo and volunteer to babysit the lions and tigers, you’d save them a fortune on tranquilisers.

  84. Almuniasaynomore

    Rich/ Wenger Eagle
    One of you lads should do up a list but not of what we sell but what we must keep. Take the rules around homegrown numbers and work on the presumption that all incoming would be ineligible. Cut the squad to 23/24. Include any homegrown likely to be promoted Balogun,azeez. That will help answer q’s like can we consider selling chambers. Most lists of fund raising sales would strip us of many of these players,maybe too many? I know I’m a lazy sod for not doing it myself, it would take me all day with my research skills!

  85. Marc

    AFC

    For how long have we had at best hit and miss recruitment? The club is facing a financial calamity and the more we add to it the longer it will take to correct and start the recovery. I’ve already said we will spend some money but until we get the right people spending it all we’re doing is adding more players we’ll be bitching that we can’t get rid of in a couple of seasons.

    I will take your advice on the beer though!

  86. Champagne Charlie

    “Maybe if you were able to read more than one language…
    When I say one language, I am being generous, in view of your regular issue of not understanding basic English.“

    Val you’re the biggest bullshit artist on the blog, you’ve got sources coming out your arse and none of it is verifiable – from Carlos Vela in the street, to verbatim board room talk.

    You’ve embarrassed yourself enough continually arguing Pedro’s sources at the club with your own fiction. Your ego is that fragile you feel compelled to be ITK on Le Grove.

  87. AFC Forever

    Emirates

    “The problem is that most players when they move clubs and particularly from European Leagues to EPL take time to adapt’

    This is such a good point. The Premier League is a difficult league and many players struggle to keep up with the pace. There are other issues too but primarily it’s the intensity of the league and the fact you have to be 100% up for every game. Some players don’t make it at all, they arrive with big fees but just can’t adapt. There is a lot to be said for recruiting from within the Premier League the only problem is the prices tend to reflect that.

  88. Marc

    Serge

    It is when I’m giving the club directly £1450 odd a season for a ST (God knows how much that’s going to be reduced by this summer). The money paid to Sky or BT doesn’t count but anyone spending money directly with the club – buying an ST, buying shirts / merchandising etc or even having a Red Membership and going to the odd game is putting money into the club and has the right to ask how that money is being spent.

  89. Marc

    “You’ve embarrassed yourself enough continually arguing Pedro’s sources at the club with your own fiction. ”

    We should have our own Rumble in the Grove title fight.

    Pedro’s sources (Doris the Tea Lady) vs Valentin’s sources.

    It’ll be more entertaining than the football we’re seeing.

  90. Champagne Charlie

    Think our senior squad is as follows without any movement….(probably missed one or two)

    GK: (2)
    Leno, Runarsson

    Defence: (10)
    Tierney, Kolasinac, Gabriel, Holding, Mari, Chambers, Saliba, Mavropanos, Cedric, Bellerin

    Midfield: (5)
    Partey, Xhaka, Elneny, AMN, Willock,

    Forwards: (9)
    Auba, Laca, Pepe, Willian, Saka, ESR, Eddie, Martinelli, Nelson.

  91. Marc

    Ishola

    I’ve got nothing but respect for Doris – since my Snowflake rebirth I’ve come to appreciate she makes the best Oat milk Latte this side of Watford.

  92. DigitalBob

    No more David Luiz, superb news. Come on Willian you know you want out too, just walk away………….

  93. Marc

    WOAB

    But what if your sources are actually Valentin’s sources as well and are just saying that to keep under the radar and it turns out Valentin’s sources are feeding Pedro’s sources?

    I think what’s really important and what people are missing is does anyone know how to make a Bearnaise sauce without tarragon?

  94. Tom

    “Jesus mate, you really do need to cheer the fuck up. There’s negativity and then there’s you. Have a cold beer or take a stroll and find a little bloke to beat up. Better still, visit the local zoo and volunteer to babysit the lions and tigers, you’d save them a fortune on tranquilisers.“

    That’s actually funny AFC, although Marc seems a pretty resourceful guy, and he’d probably just play them big cats the tape of Arsenal “masterclass “ vs Chelsea to knock them out cold and save the ZOO some money on those tranquilizers.

  95. AFC Forever

    Marc

    There is no financial calamity per se. Barcelona is a financial calamity.

    The club is an asset and one that is currently going through. a lean spell. Any good investor will either sell or invest. Whether people accept it or not Arsenal is a top, top club and is just going through a blip, through years of underinvestment and mismanagement. Football has always been cyclic. I’ve followed the club for over fifty years, I’ve seen more up and downs than a big chested lap dancer in a gentleman’s club.

    KSE aren’t going to let an asset depreciate, especially when faced with the opportunity of a depressed market and their various other things mentioned previously. The ceiling for Arsenal is huge because of the foundations of over 100 years and with the right level of investment and money spent wisely, we could soon be making our way back to where we belong.

    No point wallowing in self-pity just yet, wait and see what the summer brings. If you’re not happy then, call the Samaritans they’re a lovely bunch. I just hope I don’t pick up the call! Alternatively, you could always befriend a local publican. In a couple of years, you might look back and have a bloody good laugh.

  96. Rich

    Marc

    If inflation gets out of control, and money continues to lose its value

    Then the only rich people left will be those with productive assets, this is how wealth is measured when money falls apart

    Then those who’ve used debt to finance their acquisitions of such assets, will appear rich

    As money depreciates, productive assets appreciate

    The old tale of the wheelbarrow full of Venezuelan bolivar, where the thieves steal the wheelbarrow, but leave the Venezuelan bolivar

  97. Marc

    Jamie

    And CC’s must have missed a few names – Balogun for instance who we need to give some game to.

    The scary thing is for all the defenders and attackers our midfield still looks painfully short of quality and even usable numbers.

  98. Marc

    WOAB

    Really does that work? I know it sounds crazy but I love bearnaise but can’t stand tarragon (the smell makes me want to throw up let alone the taste) so can’t make it.

  99. Dream10

    Champagne Charlie

    I’m pretty sure Mavropanos won’t be playing for us. What happens to Saliba when Arteta signs another first choice CB?

  100. Marc

    AFC

    “There is no financial calamity per se. Barcelona is a financial calamity.The club is an asset and one that is currently going through. a lean spell. ”

    A lean spell? Are you fucking serious? How much do you think we’re going to show in losses for the current season?

  101. AFC Forever

    Just seen clips of that David Luiz red card at Wolves, what an absolute joke.

    I really do hope they sort out VAR next season and stop the obvious corruption it has enabled. The entire thing has been mishandled by PGMOL and the FA, sometimes I wonder if it was deliberate. It was supposed to stop incorrect decisions not make them.

    Rant over, hate it with a bloody passion.

  102. Marc

    AFC

    I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again.

    You have ref’s who are so fucking useless you have to bring in VAR to stop them fucking up and then put the same ref’s in charge of it only to be surprised to find they fuck that up as well.

  103. Tom

    Marc
    Leave Xhaka out of this………he’ll be the key to our winning strategy at LB in the third tier of European competition next season.

    Unless his wife gets her way of course.

  104. Champagne Charlie

    Jamie

    You’re right, forgot about those two. Balogun was left off it because in reality there’s nothing senior about him and I think we’d be mad to keep him around the team next season.

    But add Guendouzi and Torreira to the mix.

    Very tubby little bunch we’ve assembled.

  105. Jamie

    CC –

    The only silver lining of being out of Europe, and this is really the only value for me, is that there’s no excuse not to perform surgery on the squad.

    We simply don’t need 10 CBs 7 CMs and 9 forwards. It’s just fucking crazy.

  106. AFC Forever

    Marc

    “Are you fucking serious? How much do you think we’re going to show in losses for the current season?”

    No idea. Not my problem. Not yours. You need to stop obsessing on everything and anything to fuel your need for negativity. It’s not going to do you any good.

    The financial situation at the club is for the owners to manage. Just because you’re worried about finances doesn’t mean we shouldn’t spend money, as you wrongly suggest. Everyone’s in the same boat, except the doped. There has been a pandemic and a loss of income for all football clubs.

    Sometimes you have to spend to improve the financial position, it’s not as weird as you think. Now is a good time to do it, the market is depressed it’s a good opportunity to capitalise on.

    Honest mate, please have that beer and stop worrying about everything you have no control over.

  107. Champagne Charlie

    Almunia

    I’d love Grealish, but can’t see us forking the money out for him. Apparently he’s valued at 80 mil.

    Between you and me I’d pay that for him if we had an amazing restructure and managed to offload nearly 10 names for decent money. I think he’s the kind of star you pay those figures for, very VVD levels of influence at that end of the pitch. Just very hard to argue we couldn’t spend 80 mil “better” on the collective, but he’s world class.

    Man like Mustafi also missing from that list of players.

  108. Champagne Charlie

    *updated

    GK: (2)
    Leno, Runarsson

    Defence: (11)
    Tierney, Kolasinac, Gabriel, Holding, Mari, Mustafi, Chambers, Saliba, Mavropanos, Cedric, Bellerin

    Midfield: (7)
    Partey, Xhaka, Elneny, AMN, Willock, Guendouzi, Torreira

    Forwards: (9)
    Auba, Laca, Pepe, Willian, Saka, ESR, Eddie, Martinelli, Nelson.

  109. TR7

    What’s people views on Mavrapanos ? Has anyone tracked his performances on loan ? Looked promising the few rimes he played for us despite getting a red card in I think his second start for us.

  110. AFC Forever

    Marc

    “You have ref’s who are so fucking useless you have to bring in VAR to stop them fucking up and then put the same ref’s in charge of it only to be surprised to find they fuck that up as well”

    100%.

    What makes me laugh is the fact that they employ the so-called top 16 referees in the Country, through the FA’s assessment system and then find a bunch of randoms to manage the VAR technology and overturn on-field decisons. Who was that New Zealand referee who stitched us up behind VAR and got sacked?

    “Mike Riley pleaded with fans to give VAR more time after it was revealed video officials incorrectly overturned four key decisions that the on-field referee had got correct, including Arsenal’s disallowed winner against Crystal Palace.”

    Hopeless.

  111. Vintage Gun

    “‘Rumours abound that Xhaka under pressure from his wife wants to go back to Germany or Switzerland.’”

    Switzerland? Really? The feeder league for the feeder teams?

    Rapid or Austria Vienna?

    Jesus

  112. Champagne Charlie

    Those midfield options are so short of technical ability it’s scary, and the drop off in goal contributions past Auba and Laca is a huge concern.

    Could purge 7 and not even notice:

    Kola, Mustafi, Bellerin, AMN, Guen, Torreira, Eddie

    What’s that in pounds? 70-80mil?

  113. Vintage Gun

    “Upamecano one of the most highly rated Centre Backs has been sold by RB Leipzig to Bayern Munich for just £35 million.”

    The price was agreed when he signed a new contract with RB last summer. He had one year left so they signed him on higher wages with an agreement he can leave this summer for £35m

  114. Tom

    Once you’ll understand and come to terms with the fact that pretty much anything can be deemed a penalty and also most can be waived off as incidental contact you’ll be better for it as a fan.

    Take the Chelsea/City game for instance. The penalty given was less of pen to me than the one waived off for Zouma challenge on Sterling.
    Taylor looked at the Jesus pen again at half time , realizing it was soft as shit( Jesus created contact with Gilmour) and decided he wasn’t gonna give them another unless legs were broken.

  115. Valentin

    CC,

    When even sky Germany reports that he wants to come back, should I assuming that it is bullshit.
    Here is a link to an English site who also reported it.

    https://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2021/03/30/report-claims-arsenals-granit-xhaka-is-now-looking-to-leave/

    When the Athletic also reports that Xhaka is one of 4 senior players who wants to leave should I also assume that it is bullshit.

    The problem with people like you is that you are so unsecure that you have to attack people for the sake of it.

    You believe that you are the sheriff of this blog, when you are just the biggest big mouth bully without an ounce of intelligent points to make.
    Since you came back, I have ignored the vitriol and stupidity
    you have spew on this blog, but like a snake when you crawl back to the cave you were hiding, you will not be missed.

  116. Valentin

    Vintage Gun,

    “Switzerland? Really? The feeder league for the feeder teams?Rapid or Austria Vienna?”

    Geography may not be your strong point.
    A Hint Vienna is not in Switzerland…

  117. Valentin

    TR7,

    Mavrapanos has done pretty well in Germany, but he looks like he is made of balsa. He has been regularly injured.
    His contract expires in 2023, so it’s time to either sell him or renew and integrate him in the first team.

    Unless he really impress in pre season, he will most likely be sold.

  118. AFC Forever

    Tom

    “Once you’ll understand and come to terms with the fact that pretty much anything can be deemed a penalty and also most can be waived off as incidental contact you’ll be better for it as a fan”

    That’s actually pretty true. Different rules apply inside the box than outside. The other issue is the handball rule. My own view is that it should be the on-field referee that gives the ultimate decision, after reviewing the monitor. A good example would be the blatant Burnley handball when his arm was fully outstretched and Pepe tried to flick it past him. In order to stop corruption or bias, you have to reduce the ability of a faceless goon behind a computer from ‘altering’ a result.

    The various errors Mike Riley apologised to us for getting wrong included the disallowed late winner against Palace. It turned out the bloke doing VAR was an inexperienced New Zealand referee; in other words an amateur.

  119. MD-Gunner

    Ah, players are wanting to leave? Some need to go others might not fancy Arteta and still others may want to play European football. Well just another hassle to deal with on top of all the other issues.

  120. Jeremy Mark Price

    Can’t disagree with any of that! It doesn’t feel like we’re 3rd in the table set since Christmas Day but facts don’t lie. It just goes to show just how poor we were going in to that Chelsea Boxing Day fixture!