THE ‘GOOD OR BAD’ ROUND-UP

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GOOD OR BAD?

ARSENAL USE HEADHUNTERS FOR SCOUTS

Story in the Guardian said that Arsenal have activated a crack team of sporting headhunters to find themselves some on-the-ground scouts for Germany, UK, France and Spain. So, like… hiring scouts for scouts?

This might seem odd to you. Last year, Edu was championing the future of a centralized scouting system. Now he’s hiring new people. I found that weird, but I suppose you need to see people in the flesh and have connected people to find out important things like:

Is the player a total whopper?

Are they fast in the flesh?

How loud can they shout?

We sacked the last batch of scouts because they failed. Never forget that. There might be some sort of HR law that states you can’t rehire in the same position for a set amount of time, hence the wait. Who knows.

Two things that intrigue me here:

  1. We used headhunters. That’s a professional way to find talent. No more ‘how about my mate Bruno Mazziotti’ or ‘Kia knows a guy’ recruitment. This is a move in the right direction.
  2. WHY NOW. We’re about the enter the most pivotal summer of all time and we’re only now engaging the people that find players. Feels like we missed the boat there.

SCORE: GOOD

LA RAMS LOVE WHAT YOUNG COACH BRINGS TO THE PARTY

Sometimes, to truly know what Stan vibes about, you need to look to America where is Rams team are landing lovely write-ups in the WSJ about having all their talent traded or hired.

“We’ve had a lot of turnover for all the right reasons,” coach Sean McVay says. “Those are positive problems if you’re having guys leave for better opportunities.”

The Rams were a moribund franchise for years until they made the bold decision to tap Sean McVay and make him the youngest coach in modern NFL history. Four years later, he’s still the youngest coach in the league. The difference now is that his résumé includes a Super Bowl appearance and a 43-21 record.

One of the NFL’s worst teams quickly became one of the NFL’s best teams under McVay and general manager Les Snead. The idea of hiring a young and unproven coach—particularly one with a connection to McVay—became the hottest thing in football since the wildcat.

“In an era where people are looking for turnarounds, we are a turnaround,” team president Kevin Demoff says.

Rams hire a young guy. Arsenal hire a young guy.

KSE back the Rams. MAYBE they back Arsenal.

Now, before the Deputy Douche Bags of the NFL rush to tell me I’m wrong, hear me out… Arteta is supposed to be the ideas guy, he’s supposed to be part of a transformational moment, The Rams project is pretty decent.

Seems pretty clear KSE like something about this approach.

We are long way from the top, but if we have a good summer of ‘trades’, we won’t be far off next season.

SCORE: GOOD

MIKEL ARTETA GETS CRYPTIC ABOUT CHANGE

Do I create the necessary environment for a top elite team to perform at the highest level & get everybody in condition to give their best. And do I get the best of the players that I have? The maximum, whatever the level is. This is how I judge myself.’

Well Mikel, clearly not, we just shit our pants against Villareal over the two legs and we’re midtable. Something is wrong, you have to own that, and you have to fix it. Ruthless isn’t changing a squad that mostly isn’t yours… it’s making the necessary changes to the staff you hired and fucked up a year ago. The environment isn’t perfect, the keeper department has been a disaster, things need to change.

“Now it is how we evolve, there are a lot of things that had to be done and they have been done, a lot of changes to make and a lot of them have been made. Now it is time to evolve. To evolve you to have to take things so that when they are a little more settled and established, take them to the next level.”

Big changes are coming this summer. WAR CHEST STORIES ARE THERE. We have talent that we can actually sell. Arteta needs to move hard at the squad. Shift on players that are old or useless. Sign in a blend of ready-made and youth. This is his last window where he can get away with pointing at the last 10 years. The moves have to be elite.

Question is, does a man that won’t admit Xhaka at left back was a mistake have it in him to admit his backroom team might also need a bit of the non-negotibales treatment? Does a man addicted to pumping players that let him down have the guts to tell David Luiz and Kia the party is over?

We’ll see.

SCORE: BAD

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  1. andy1886

    Funny how xG is so important when we lose but never mentioned if we win:

    xG yesterday: Chelsea 1.85, Arsenal 0.59

    The point being hoping to get lucky isn’t a strategy, it’s the last resort when you don’t have a plan. It’s not that we are flexible, we clearly have absolutely no defined style of play and chop and change like the wind on a weekly basis.

  2. AFC Forever

    Charlie

    “It’s facts over feelings, to accumulate the third highest points tally in 22 games speaks to an improvement when a bonafide creative talent is available.”

    This.

    I genuinely believe some people are just unable to focus on anything other than the manager. He’s been unlucky with the injuries we’ve had because our squad isn’t good enough to lose a player like, for example, Tierney. When you keep losing players it affects the setup of the team so you have to chop and change. You also have to chop and change when you rotate, playing 3 games in a week. I have no idea why some fans on here don’t understand that?!! They must, so you can only conclude they are being deliberately disingenuous.

    You could argue about the loss of form of Aubamayang too. We’ve carried him most of the season, even his attitude yesterday was off. Also worth pointing out that our points tally would be higher had we not suffered at the hands of some pretty appalling VAR decisions but don’t get me started on that!! Your comment about the creative addition is also spot on Charlie.

  3. WengerEagle

    Charlie

    Why always the need to throw in a jibe when putting your point across?

    The ‘since Christmas’ table is arbitrary, and it conveniently starts from where we had our purple patch of winning 5 in 6 in the space of a month. I could just as easily compile a since Man United at home at end of January stat that shows we have:

    Played 16
    Won 7
    Drawn 4
    Lost 5

    Picked up 25 points from a possible 48

    Which extrapolated out over 38 matches would accumulate… 59 points.

    Not to mention getting dumped out of Europe unceremoniously by said hack previous manager Emery with a weaker set of players at his disposal.

    Paints quite a different picture, doesn’t it?

    As far as the differing expectations go between Emery and Arteta, the KDB and ESR analogy is a false one.

    The manager is the captain of the ship, you can’t hand the reigns to a complete novice that needs to learn on the job, at least not at an ambitious club. The overwhelming vast majority of top level gaffers ply their trade in the lower leagues or at youth level for that very reason, and before you mention Pep or Zidane they were both exceptions to the rule and operating under entirely different circumstances than Arteta.

    Not that ESR needs to be hidden but he’s one player, we can afford to blood him in slowly so long as we adequately address the lack of creativity in the side to support him in a way that isn’t comparable to a manager.

  4. Kroenkephobe

    Cazorla

    Thanks for that mate. You played at a higher level than me and I respect that. It was also good to read something from you that was more considered and less badinage-y. There are lots of people on here who are knowledgeable about the game. A large part of that comes from playing and being coached but you can also get a good understanding over time from watching at all levels and through various media (but there is no substitute for actually being in the ground).

    As for last night’s game, I’m puzzled about one thing. Do you reckon the low block was Arteta’s plan from the start or do you think the opportunist and realist in him made him think of going defensive after ESR’s goal. To my mind, we showed slightly more attacking intent before the goal and were pressing quite intensely high up the pitch. Chelsea are clearly a superior team for whatever reason so they had us under pressure from the off. They were far less effective against us in the second half, although that double bar hitting episode was properly scary. One of those games where the result grows on you and supplants the details.

  5. Marc

    andy

    If last night was a match in isolation everyone would say “we’ll take a bit of luck and a win” but it’s not we are an appalling team to watch. No one expects Arteta to take the team and have us challenging for the title after 2 matches but he’s had over 50 PL matches in charge now and things look even more muddled by the day. The odd good performance only covers up the cracks and the refusal by many to accept just how bad we are and to make excuse after excuse is a joke.

  6. Dissenter

    ‘Nobody has given Arteta a pass for anything, but if you think I’m holding a manager with a decades experience at various clubs to the same standard as a guy in his maiden managerial campaign then you’re a clown. The expectations shifted the second we hired a rookie, that’s basic.’

    You really are giving him a pass because he’s a rookie that needs to cut his teeth you’re the one choosing to change expectations to suit your preconceived bias for him.
    That’s precisely the reason why many of us want him gone, Arsenal shouldn’t be the crèche for him to do that.

  7. AFC Forever

    Andy

    “xG yesterday: Chelsea 1.85, Arsenal 0.59′

    Who cares? Couldn’t give a fuck mate.

    We beat Chelsea because of good pressing forcing a mistake and hard work without the ball. Well done to all the players and the Manager. Lovely to beat Chelsea.

    Pretty telling that so many of the hardline Arteta out are unhappy. You moan about wanting results, then when we get one you moan even more. Speaks volumes.

  8. Champagne Charlie

    Weagle

    You’re going to start your day indirectly calling me a hypocrite and then wonder why my response to you is pointed? Really?

    I don’t go after you for your views, I’ve said to you numerous times that I understand where you come from etc etc, but seems like that understanding, or even effort to understand is lost when roles are reversed.

    “The ‘since Christmas’ table is arbitrary, and it conveniently starts from where we had our purple patch of winning 5 in 6 in the space of a month. I could just as easily compile a since Man United at home at end of January stat that shows we have:“

    Nothing arbitrary about it, it was the first game we fielded an actual #10 for the season. ESR has gotten over his shoulder issue which ruled him out the start of the season, he regained his match fitness, and dropped his first PL start. What’s arbitrary about that? Be no different to playing with a false 9 for half the season until we could finally field a CF.

    Tells its own story for how poor the summer window was, and the subsequent exile of Ozil without a replacement, but there’s nothing arbitrary about it at all.

    “As far as the differing expectations go between Emery and Arteta, the KDB and ESR analogy is a false one.“

    There’s nothing false about it whatsoever. Yes, a young player can be hidden or mitigated amongst an XI, but specific to their performance level and output their inexperience provides huge context.

    Again, I’m not going to sit and argue the merits for hiring Arteta in the first place. I don’t particularly care to go there because the ship has sailed and he’s here. I championed Benitez immediately after Emery was sacked because I wanted a guy with broad shoulders who could look at the likes of Raul in the eye and say no, someone who I admire for his ability to lay foundations at a club.

    But, when we hired a rookie I altered my expectations because of that new information. I’ve been critical of last summer, I’m critical of the rigid demands on the approach to playing when the personnel doesn’t suit it, and I’ve not agreed with some choices in various matches (but this one is an irrelevance to me because that’s par for the course).

  9. Champagne Charlie

    Dissenter

    It’s not a “preconceived bias” to recognise someone as a rookie and factor that into your expectations. Such a dim comment.

  10. Gonsterous

    Normally when you have an attacking manager. And he decides to park the bus against a stronger opponent and loses, people wonder why he didn’t just attack in the first place.

    With arteta, attacking is not an option, we have seen this when we played the likes of wolves, villa, west ham and leicester. We attack and we lose.

    Against the better teams, we played defensively and so far we lost both games against city, one game against utd, both games against pool, and one game against spurs. The only upside to being defensive was winning chelsea yesterday, the previous game, I remember we played more attacking football with more shots than them.

    Bottom line, no matter the result yesterday, mikeal has to go. Arsenal are not going to get better under him. If you want more finishes around the 7-10th position then by all means stick with pep lite

  11. AFC Forever

    Kroenkephoebe

    “Do you reckon the low block was Arteta’s plan from the start or do you think the opportunist and realist in him made him think of going defensive after ESR’s goal”

    Goals change games. The goal came from a well organised high press that ESR said we had been working on in training. They saw a weakness and it worked, ironically the sort of mistake we have made ourselves against the press. Up until the goal we showed a lot more from an attacking sense.

    The early goal changed the mindset of the manager and the players, game management was key. Keep what we have. Players naturally drop deep in those scenarios. It invites the other team on so they will have a lot more possession but it is about what you do with possession that matters. Between the lines Chelsea couldn’t hurt us and Mount was nullified.

    The low block is obviously worked on as shape without the ball is a team demand. It’s the one thing that has really improved under Arteta. The fact they had to resort to long shots and hopeful balls into the box just shows what a good job we did. You have to ride a bit of luck but essentially that was a very good, disciplined team performance.

  12. Gonsterous

    The since Christmas table is as irrelevant as picking only the games we have won and saying since the start of the season we have gotten 55/55 points. So we should be first and top of the table.

    At the start of the season everyone starts with 0, everyone’s form goes up and down but at the end of the day the team that wins the most, wins the PL. When did wenger ever translate his end of season run into the next season to win the whole thing. Post 2005, never!

  13. AFC Forever

    Cazorla

    “This is it in a nutshell. It’s called leeway and realigned expectations. This was a massive job and let’s not pretend we were a new manager away from been title challengers this season. There were always going to be bumps in the road.”

    This.

    As I have said repeatedly, Arteta inherited a very difficult situation. Charlie made the same point as me earlier, we both thought the job needed a more experienced manager. I said that when Arteta was appointed. However, you back the Manager and take into account the mess he inherited when you set expectations. Some fans can’t or won’t do that.

    He fixed the defensive problems we had for years and the FA Cup fare exceeded any expectations I had after watching the Emery team without the ball. Fans are so keen to praise the good job Tuchel has done but they forget the players he inherited, it is a strong Chelsea squad. Klopp changed 23 players. I understand fans frustrations but the reality is we need to invest in better players for key positions.

  14. Kroenkephobe

    Cazorla

    It’s a serious stretch to describe us a trending upwards at the moment. I hope the Villareal thing was the nadir but I don’t think we can safely talk about trending upwards until we’re about three quarters of the way through next season. Trending upwards at that point would look to me like the following

    Still in one or both English cups.

    Fourth or at the very least 6th in the table (wholly achievable given there won’t be any euro fixtures).

    Far fewer on field errors.

    Much improved goal difference And goals scored

    Fewer red cards (which inevitably turn potential wins into losses or draws).

    Let’s see where we are in say Feb 2022.

  15. Gonsterous

    AFC

    I don’t know why expectations should be altered. Which other business does that? Yes, arteta is a rookie but shouldn’t we give him every opportunity to succeed?

    That means having someone more experienced guiding him and making decisions that are not wrong for the club. You can’t give him absolute control and then wonder why we are 8th and breaking all the wrong records.

    Arteta has made many rookie mistakes that could have been avoided had he gotten a better DOF. The club set him up to fail and the kindest thing now is to either replace him or replace edu and vinai.

    What will the club do? Sit ideally by will be my guess.

  16. WengerEagle

    Charlie

    Re the effort to understand, I get that Arteta only took the job that he was offered and it’s why I hold no personal ill-will toward him, same as Emery beforehand. He would have been crazy to turn it down, same as Neville when offered the Valencia gig.

    Just because the club made the wrong hire doesn’t mean that they need to amplify that mistake by carrying on with him for another season. I am not ruling out Arteta going on to be successful in the management game eventually but he is clearly out of his depth as of now and for what we need. There have been countless examples of it over his spell in charge from players selection blind spots/persisting with favourites who continually let us down to failing to address the banishing of Ozil to his handling of the Martinez/Leno situation, handling of Saliba, list goes on.

    When Emery was in charge, you weren’t as bothered about the results so much so as about the performances or lack of them. We had no discernable identity or playing style under him.

    Well, what is the identity under Arteta? Where is the linear progression? Taking out that month spell in the Winter, we’re on pace for a midtable finish these past 3 months and have been outfoxed/beaten not to mention outplayed by Emery and a weak Villarreal side in Europe.

    I wish I were as optimistic as you, I really do. I just don’t see this supposed improvement under Arteta. We’re not playing any better than we were a year ago.

    Be honest, if I told you at the start of the season that we would be out of all competitions and battling to finish in 8th/9th in the league what would you have said?

    If you would have taken that, just how much did you recalibrate your expectations with the Arteta hire?

  17. Irish Gooner

    Why was there no fuss made about Kepa using his hand to stop the back pass – i.e. stopping a goal by a foul, should have been a penalty and a red card to Kepa

  18. Almuniasaynomore

    Charlie
    I’m wondering what your take on the summer to come is.
    We’re all in agreement,I think,that it’s a defining moment for Arenal and indeed Arteta,if he is given money or raises some from sales,if not I’d imagine both sides will remain entrenched. The Arteta out side claiming he has not improved us, the in side claiming he was not adequately supported and so shouldn’t shoulder the blame. I have always been Arteta out,indeed I never wanted him in, but I try to look at the other side’s perspective. I find logic that I can agree with in some of what you say(obviously not all or I wouldn’t be holding an opposing view!). I accept your argument that once we appointed a rookie we should have realigned our expectations, though I’m not sure that’s how his appointment was sold to us(pedro!) or indeed how Arteta would have sold himself in interview. Nonetheless your point is valid. I can also accept arguments about inherited mess,failures above and around him etc. But the one thing I cannot fathom is ,given his track record in the market,players bought,players not sold when bids were made,terrible use of the loan system and the contract debacles,particularly with wages,that have led to us paying players far in excess of their value on the pitch,how then do you have any faith in letting him (and edu,equally culpable) loose in the summer with the club’s money? Genuine question,not looking to lay a trap or anything, but I can see no logical reason why in terms of transfers Arteta should be trusted with what could be a pivotal few months. I think now it’s inevitable that he will be given the window, I would love a perspective that could offer me reason to be optimistic about it.

  19. China1

    The FA cup run and win was absolutely a job well done by arteta. I don’t have any serious criticisms of his first half year performance and plenty of credit for him

    But that first 6 months doesn’t give him limitless excuses to tank us this season

    We could’ve won nothing this season and not qualified for Europe. I can accept that. Provided we look a demonstrably better team this season than we did when we won the FA cup.

    But we don’t. How many times in the whole season have we looked better than we did when we were beating quality teams en route to winning the FA cup and charity shield? Maybe 10 times all season and that might be generous. How many times have we been worse? Most matches, tbh.

    We’ve gone backwards since we won the cup, not forwards.

    I can accept it being rough around the edges and less than perfect. Perfection is not the request here. It’s to make us a better team. He’s done the opposite this season

  20. Tom

    Arsenal winning and climbing the table is always a good thing, especially when each place is worth a couple million £ extra( I think).

    Chelsea losing and especially the manner in which they did makes it even sweater.
    Fuck Chelsea and fuck Tuchel , that Dracula doppelgänger.
    Nothing would make me happier than Chelsea choking and missing out on CL next season and losing both finals.
    A frustrated Tuchel on the touch line is as comical as they come, but the fact Tuchel made seven changes and his Chelsea still played Arteta’s Arsenal off the park and made us look like a mid table championship side is ………shall we say, less pleasing.

    If Chelsea lost both finals and somehow missed out on the top four, and as a consequence Tuchel was fired, I would still take him over Arteta in a New York minute.

  21. Champagne Charlie

    “When Emery was in charge, you weren’t as bothered about the results so much so as about the performances or lack of them. We had no discernable identity or playing style under him.“

    When Emery was hired he arrived as an established modern manager who was going to improve on an out of touch Wenger. I expected an immediate uptick, massively improved defensive organisation, and a slow transition into Emeryball.

    I had leeway on results because it was his first season, but beyond February the defence was still shambolic after buying nothing but defensive reinforcements, the identity utterly incoherent, and more and more issues were getting leaked behind the scenes – the tail end of that season was a joke to somehow lose our top 4 spot and get humiliated in Baku. We started off bright and spiralled, that’s totally opposite to any form of progression.

    “Well, what is the identity under Arteta? Where is the linear progression? Taking out that month spell in the Winter, we’re on pace for a midtable finish these past 3 months and have been outfoxed/beaten not to mention outplayed by Emery and a weak Villarreal side in Europe.“

    Look I can’t make you see what I see from the season. If you don’t see a pattern of play and organisation then that’s that. For me we’re a mile better organised than anything we’ve seen for years, that’s given us a foothold in almost every match this season and made it about fine margins vs 30 shot blowouts.

    We’ve been horrid in the final third, and there’s been no harsher critic on that than me. I bemoaned the summer activity, the rigid technical expectance on subpar technicians, and the pace of our transitions.

    As far as liners progression goes, you literally dismiss the biggest indicator there is as arbitrary. If you made a line graph of our league form it would illustrate progress in raw terms. I look from Xmas because of the attacking options that finally become available, but if you looked at raw data we’d show a slow improvement from about game 10-14, because we were 14 points from 14 games and have played catch up ever since – that’s what fucked this season.

    You want to bemoan micro-decisions along the way be my guest, again you’re losing sight of the context here with us having a young manager. You’d not agree with everything an Allegri said or did, so what chance has a first year manager got?

    I get your dismay or lack of confidence, there’s nothing to objectively be happy about when you finish mid table and get no Europe. There’s nothing “successful” about that in an Arsenal season.

    But if you think that tells the story of the season then I’m going to have to disagree, there’s potential within the mess. How much remains to be seen, but I don’t think we’re at the point of ending things with Arteta. I think it’s premature, and I think it undermines his initial appointment to give so little relative time to influence matters.

  22. TR7

    I don’t agree with the ‘massive rebuild job on his hands’ part when it comes to Arteta. Arteta always tries to insinuate that Arsenal were left very far behind by Wenger and Emery and he is now saddled with a humongous task of resuscitating the club.

    Wenger finished top 4 in all the seasons except his last two. He finished one of those two seasons with 75 odd points which generally is good enough for a top 4 finish.

    Emery for all his faults (and I really didn’t like him) finished just 1 point off top 4 in his first season.

    We have added players every summer since Wenger left. You look at our squad, it is a good squad on paper. We have quality defenders, a good GK ( Arteta himself binned a top goalie), a terrific left back, three emerging young talents, two proven strikers and a midfielder bought by Arteta himself for 50M. So let’s not delude ourselves in to believing that there is a massive gulf to be bridged in terms of squad and then we will be flying. The manager should have got much more of the squad as it is and surely should have finished top 6.

  23. Nelson

    Arteta has to make up his mind whether his target system is 4 3 3 or 4 2 3 1. Initially, we kept hearing that he wants to play 4 3 3 like the Pools and he he is missing 5 to 6 players. Now everyone thinks that he should sign another #10 like Ode. I prefer he signs two box to box midfielders and keeps Willock. 4 3 3 is a more balanced formation.

  24. China1

    Cazorla 1 game per week means less chances for fringe players and youth to get a run out and stay sharp/develop

    Besides all the lost money, prestige and a chance at a trophy and CL back door

    Knowing arteta he’s going to be even less likely to risk giving deserving fringe players minutes when the games we play have added importance.

    Wenger would’ve used those games to get players like Eddie, Balogun, Nelson, Azeez etc etc etc stronger and sharper or to let them put themselves in the shop window when playing against pub teams like Dundalk

    The idea that because the EL adds loads of games it’s beats your team is a myth. Nobody forces us to beast our best 11. Most of the EL games are against average or nothing sides until April anyway.

    Even the teams we’ve struggled against or been knocked out by, olympiakos, Slavia Prague, villareal etc are nothing teams for a team that is trying to get in the top 4. In the CL most seasons teams like that are cannon fodder in the group stages if they’re lucky enough to qualify.

  25. China1

    Or to put it this way, if our target is to get in the CL but we’re worried about playing midweek games against average or worse continental teams then what’s even the point of getting in the CL? Where games are midweek with lots of much much better teams

  26. Marko

    As far as the differing expectations go between Emery and Arteta, the KDB and ESR analogy is a false one.

    Yeah to be honest the moving of the goalposts in this regard is frankly pathetic honestly. We didn’t come off an FA Cup win and sign up the likes of Gabriel and Thomas Partey to then lower our expectations to the point where midtable in the premier league and no european football qualification was acceptable. It’s mind boggling before every season the goal is to get back into the champions league by any route or at the very least top 6 disappointment but now we’re to believe that midtable is okay as long as it’s building towards something (it’s not).

    The lowering of expectations all of a sudden for a popular manager is laughable but not all that surprising considering the type of fan who’s doing it. You know the same type of fan who backed Wenger to the hilt and gave him all that time while lowering expectations every year

  27. China1

    Next season if we come outside the European places again (entirely possible, arguably likely considering some of the guys on here seem to think that’s an acceptable level for us now) then we will be sorely missing that EL money for yet another season and we’ll be wondering why we can’t afford the players we want next summer or even have to sell some of our good players to stay afloat

    Being out of Europe next season is a very very negative thing for arsenal.

    We’re not going to do a Chelsea or liverpool or utd and suddenly spend a fortune and blast our way to bear the top or win the title without those pesky EL games. We’ll probably be not much better in the league but minus all the benefits

  28. Champagne Charlie

    Almunia

    That’s the breaking point for Arteta and those above him. This summer.

    I gave a certain level of dispensation last summer because of the factors at play, covid made it messy, it was truncated, and we unceremoniously sacked a major player behind the scenes in Raul which left a big gap to fill.

    It was some of the worst conditions imaginable for a managers first summer window and that was without considering the players on staff and their relative contractual situations. In the end we couldn’t bin talent (Ozil, Mustafi, Sok, Kola), we were indecisive (AMN, Holding, Torreira), and we made some poor choices (Auba/Willian/Runarsson).

    Who gets the blame for that? Edu? Arteta? Raul pre-sacking? All of the above? It’s not easy, but I hold them all accountable in part.

    I don’t think any fan oozes confidence prior to this summer window, but I don’t think we’ve been confident for a number of years on that front and at the very least we have two guys in unchartered territory tasked with making an impact – the hopeful part of me anticipates something good from that.

    It’s very much sink or swim territory for the pair, and their medium to long term futures will be hugely influenced by their actions this June. I can only wait and see what unfolds before passing judgement. I know what I’d like to see happen, I just don’t know how close to that we’re going to sail.

  29. Marko

    I’m kinda okay with not being in Europe next season. We’ve been sliding for years and haven’t been focusing enough on the league and this hardest of resets should be used to clean house and start anew. New manager new squad hopefully new owners emphasis on finishing well in the league and start from there

  30. China1

    Marko I can’t be ok with us being out of the EL

    I think the risk is higher than the reward

    Time will tell and if we have a really good league season or win the FA cup then fine. But if we don’t do either of the above then it’s all for nothing and I don’t feel secure living in hope based on what we’ve seen this season

  31. Marko

    China we don’t have a choice now. Obviously it would have been better if we got into Europe this season but we didn’t and now we’re being forced to focus on the league next season which is good. We can absolutely get top 4 next season with the right managerial appointment and a squad rebuild

  32. Marko

    I don’t feel secure living in hope based on what we’ve seen this season

    First off I’m not hopeful when it comes to Arsenal anymore but you know when things get so bad there’s only way out and that’s up. A clear reset a new a new focus could be what is needed for the club. Let’s be honest we’ve been drifting along for years using European qualification as a crutch for sliding into mediocrity but now we can’t do that now we have to focus on something we’ve been struggling with for years and that’s our league position

  33. Mr Serge

    west ham with 1 game a week are doing well us with one a week will be great, but i do worry the kids will not play if we are not in uefa, i would only play the kids in those games

  34. Marko

    but i do worry the kids will not play if we are not in uefa

    I mean under the current clown of a manager we were barely playing kids in the EFL or Europa anyway. I mean this season Balogan, Azeez and Cirjan should have seen some game time against the likes of Dundalk for example. But anyway that’s besides the point next season with no european football some kids will suffer sure but if you’re good enough and we don’t have an idiot manager then they should see some game time otherwise some loans will be needed

  35. Mr Serge

    TR7 yes we can but we need to finish 7th so West ham and pool need to lose 2 games everton need to lose spurs need to drop 4 points, if that scenario happens to 2 of the sides above us we qualify as long as we beat palace and Brighton

    Everton – 55 points, 34 games
    Remaining games: Aston Villa (away), Sheffield United (home), Wolves (home), Man City (away)
    Tottenham – 56 points, 35 games
    Remaining games: Wolves (home), Aston Villa (home), Leicester (away)
    Liverpool – 57 points, 34 games
    Remaining games: Man Utd (away), West Brom (away), Burnley (away), Crystal Palace (home)
    West Ham – 58 points, 35 games
    Remaining games: Brighton (away), West Brom (away), Southampton (home)

  36. Kroenkephobe

    Left

    The main thing about that new jersey is the badge. Definitely a step in the right direction back to the classic away jersey of the 70s. The current badge is a fucking abomination.

    As a ‘legacy fan’ , I won’t be buying one anyway but it’s better than the vast majority they’ve worn recently.

  37. Mr Serge

    KronkePhobe I also hate the new badges our original badge was amazing as were most other clubs ones, why they had to simplyfy them all i will never know

  38. englandsbest

    Money is the only magic wand in football – as in life generally. Spend it on the Messis of this world and the odds are that a poor team will be transformed into champions. So, to put it bluntly, Arteta inherited a poor disaffected squad and whatever money spent, had been wasted on mostly sub-standard players. No magic wand for him.

    Add in a Club that had lost its identity, saddled with a negligent owner, and clearly the task that faced Arteta was immense. He gave us a clear message: this would not be a quick fix. Which defines those whining on here about a poor season as short-sighted.

  39. Marko

    Add in a Club that had lost its identity, saddled with a negligent owner, and clearly the task that faced Arteta was immense. He gave us a clear message: this would not be a quick fix. Which defines those whining on here about a poor season as short-sighted.

    I’m so glad you said this. Go back to the summer of 2018 and Unai Emery faced the exact same thing. Poor owner no identity years of slipping under Wenger. It was a big task too and no quick fix but that fucker was told he had a top 4 squad and that he should be qualifying for champions league and he needed better teeth and English and all this shite and he got hounded out of the club more or less rightly so. But now all of a sudden things should be different for Mikel? I don’t think so.

  40. Dissenter

    “Add in a Club that had lost its identity, saddled with a negligent owner, and clearly the task that faced Arteta was immense. He gave us a clear message: this would not be a quick fix. Which defines those whining on here about a poor season as short-sighted.”

    The “negligent” owner of the club “that has lost its identity” also dropped an egoistical inexperienced manager on the club.
    I wonder why you Arteta-fans always leave out that portion of the challenges facing the club
    Can we afford a manager who’s learning the ropes right now
    Arteta is the main beneficiary of all the maladies that you rightly put on Kroenke, yet you embrace the glaring and obvious mistake you see before your very eyes.

  41. Moray

    Is there a better “dead rubber” team in world football than Arsenal?

    The moment the pressure is off and we have nothing whatsoever to play for, expect peerless performances. It’s both predictable and shameful. Cowardice has run through Arsenal since early on in Wenger’s reign.

  42. Wingdings

    I hope Arteta doesn’t get anything out of this season as he will jsut use it for leverage. And he should’t be given a single more penny to spend. He should be sacked and replaced with a proper manager. THEN you can spend.

  43. Moray

    I don’t want us in Europe next year, qualify or not. We just don’t deserve it. With our resources, struggling to finish above West Ham and a bankrupt Spurs (who sacked their manager)…we should be totally ashamed of ourselves.

  44. surferx

    @Champagne Charlie
    May 13, 2021 13:07:43

    “Look I can’t make you see what I see from the season. If you don’t see a pattern of play and organisation then that’s that. For me we’re a mile better organised than anything we’ve seen for years, that’s given us a foothold in almost every match this season and made it about fine margins vs 30 shot blowouts.

    …there’s potential within the mess. How much remains to be seen, but I don’t think we’re at the point of ending things with Arteta. I think it’s premature, and I think it undermines his initial appointment to give so little relative time to influence matters.”

    Bang on- 100%

    The short-term memories of some on here are staggering. For the last 5 years under AW (many would argue longer), our record against the top-teams was abysmal- there were regular heavy losses, no coherent defensive structure or solidity, no tactical gameplan. The signings were poor, the competitiveness gone (outside the odd cup run). Emery didnt feel like the right appointment- but we all gave him a chance as a) he wasnt wenger, and b) he was the europa league specialist. What we got was more confusion- and there was no tangible improvement defensively whilst our attacking play regressed.

    Under Arteta, you can clearly see what he is trying to achieve. The acceptance of standards below being the best- the non-negotiables- thats precisiely where we need to be. Our playing out from the back is under a high press night & day better than it was (still not perfect by a long way- but we dont look like were are going to conceded every time the GK has the ball in his hands). The players are organised & press as the team- we no longer carry a no 10, they have to do a shift too. And, since Christmas, we have finally started to find our feet going forward. Nowhere near good enough for challenging for the top prizes- but there is improvement. And the deadwood is being dealt with. Slowly, sometimes painfully expensively, but the sins of the past are being sorted- Ozil, Mustaphi, Sok, Mikhi, etc., etc.

    The frsutration is that it so often feels like 1 step forward, 2 backards. The persistance with Willian; the man management inconsistencies; the ‘galaxy brain’ moments (a semi-final needing to win is not the time to experiement with a false-nine); the reluctance to go to a solution that seems to be blindingly obvious to everyone else; the intransigence to play certian players. Its frustrating as fuck.

    But, he is a rookie manager. Some of those are undoubtably rookie mistakes. Whether or not he should be our manager right now is moot- he is. And, whether or not he’ll be a great manager will ultimately come down to whether he can learn from them (and how fast- time is not a commodity given in modern football)- and thats either with us, or someone else.

    But, as you very articulately said, the potential is clearly there. With Arteta, we are 6 months pregnant- there is zero upside in changing anything now: you have to see this through next year, otherwise you have gained nothing and lost everything. If anything, now is a time to be looking above him (Vinai, Edu, etc) and asking whether the structure is working there (you would have to say not- but thats a different point).

    But, to change the manager now? Unless The Kroenke’s have suddenly decide that they are going to drop 250m in the transfer market (fat chance) and hire a 9m a year manager to get the best out of them- I fail to see the how it would move us forward. More than that, I want to see if he can turn that potential into tangible improvement & momentum next year- its too early to call for me.

  45. Wingdings

    MorayMay 13, 2021 14:15:50
    Is there a better “dead rubber” team in world football than Arsenal?The moment the pressure is off and we have nothing whatsoever to play for, expect peerless performances. It’s both predictable and shameful. Cowardice has run through Arsenal since early on in Wenger’s reign.

    _________________

    It truly is pathetic. Same thing last season when they beat Liverpool who was already on the beach. The Arteta fangirls thought he was vindicated after that lol. Embarrassing. Wenger used to do this all the time at the end of the season after getting dumped out of every competition.

  46. Daniel Altos

    If your reaction after Arsenal win at Chelsea is ‘yea but..’ then you should have the night off, simple as that.

    It’s funny because you can go back to when we beat chelshit under Emery a couple of seasons ago and see what some of the same superfans reactions were….you know,the same guys that are calling people fake fans for ‘moaning’ after a win.Embarassing bunch and should be ashamed of themselves….how many times have we seen xg stats being used to knock a win here when the manager wasn’t arteta?

  47. TR7

    Serge

    If Villa beat Everton and you would expect Man C to beat Everton, we can finish above them assuming we win our remaining 2 games. Spuds have games against Villa and Leicester, games they can potentially lose.

  48. AFC Forever

    All this talk about qualifying for Europe as if it is the end of the world. It’s not. Assuming we don’t qualify it may prove to be a blessing.

    Game preparation is a massive part of football. It was one of the main reasons Leicester won the league. It’s why West Ham are doing well. That’s been our biggest problem; doing well in Cups and Europe is a massive hindrance in the league. You can’t play your best team every week, you don’t have players at peak fitness levels & you will get muscle injuries. You fly back early hours Friday, factor in recovery and you’re lucky to have one day to prepare for the opponent Sunday. You have no time to recover from fatigue and the lactate inflection point (LIP), which is the exercise intensity at which the blood concentration of lactate and/or lactic acid begins to exponentially increase, leads to fatigue. Half your players are at 80% of their usual fitness. Fatigue not only limits physical fitness but leads to injury. It also leads to mistakes & bad decision-making. So you are playing an opponent who has a minimum 20 percent advantage before you consider the other advantages. Like tactics.

    If you have no European midweek games, you will have an entire week to prepare tactically for the opposition’s strengths and weaknesses; their players, set pieces, defensive positions (if you’re playing someone like Vardy how you drop etc). You play in Europe and you can’t do that because the coaches will have been preparing the team for the European opposition. One game at a time. So your 20 percent disadvantage increases.

    This is why chopping and changing occurs, it will be based on fitness analysis, injury prevention and things like tactics.

    Being out of Europe for a season won’t be the catastrophe the doom-mongers like to paint because it is certainly worth a bundle of PL points. It could be the difference between Champions League football the following season. It’s a debate worth having but as with a lot of what gets discussed, it really isn’t looked at objectively or on balance.

  49. Almuniasaynomore

    Charlie,
    Thanks for the response,pretty much summarises what it comes down to,some of us have given up hope with him, some of us haven’t and all are waiting for the next few months to unfold. I’d be very happy to be wrong, fingers crossed we see the club rise again one way or another.

  50. Marko

    Under Arteta, you can clearly see what he is trying to achieve. The acceptance of standards below being the best- the non-negotiables- thats precisiely where we need to be.

    Eh? There’s really no clear style or strategy on show unless you count all other facets of our game are poor so we retreat to defending our own box. I mean last night was a perfect example we were gifted a goal from two Chelsea players making a mistake which was very fortunate for us because otherwise we wouldn’t have created anything all game and then we got bodies behind the ball. We had similar against United at Old Trafford where I’ll admit I didn’t really care back then because we broke our poor record there despite the worry that we won creating nothing and defending for our lives. I’m not sure that’s Arteta’s strategy but maybe it is. Also the whole standards and non negotiables nonsense is laughable when you see inform players dropped and average error prone players start consistently. Didn’t Willian visit Dubai and Lacazette break covid protocols at some point this season but still are teachers pet

  51. Nelson

    Every EPL team has an average 26 to 28 players. A good coach should be able to train a team A and a team B. With the European games, it would attract good players and has more funding to sign them. That’s the plan of a top team .

  52. AFC Forever

    SurferX

    Yes, can’t disagree with any of that. How people can’t see the difference in our team now without the ball to previous years is beyond me. It’s night and day. These things don’t happen overnight and there will be bumps along the way. The mess he inherited would have been a problem for any manager, let alone an inexperienced one. To his credit he has never shirked anything, his press conferences are honest and he fixed our defensive frailties almost immediately winning a big trophy too. That deserves more credit than some people want to give him. Unfortunately, some people are just far too closed-minded and opinionated, taking an extreme position of obfuscation.

  53. AFC Forever

    Nelson

    “Every EPL team has an average 26 to 28 players. A good coach should be able to train a team A and a Team B”

    Are you taking the piss mate?

    That is possibly one of the most naive comments I have ever read on here. And that is saying something.

    Seriously, the comments on this blog are so divorced from reality it’s like visiting the planet zoob.

  54. TR7

    Improving defense is not quite an achievement if it is at the cost of playing quality football. You think Wenger couldn’t play this kind of football ? He easily could have. Most managers can do it. Quality of a manager lies in striking a balance between the two.

  55. Marko

    Improving defense is not quite an achievement if it is at the cost of playing quality football.

    I mean we’re not even that great defensively to justify it. We’re currently 11 clean sheets on the season and even Emery got 8 in 2018 but was still able to get 70+ goals. The view some people have on how we’re performing overall is mind boggling to me sometimes

  56. Marko

    Like last night wasn’t a defensive masterclass or anything we were literally boxed in our own half with men behind the ball for the majority of the game while Chelsea were in second gear and with starters rested on the eve of a cup final.

  57. Kroenkephobe

    Anyone in need of some respite from goonerdom should check bbc news where that corrupt old cunt David Cameron is having a new arsehole torn for him by the treasury select committee. The man who stuck his cock in a pigs head.

  58. Left Testicle

    Kroenke,

    I’m listening to that. He’ll get off.

    Annoying that some of the people asking the questions are more concerned about their 15 minutes of fame and won’t let him answer.

  59. China1

    AFC Leicester didn’t win the league because they were not in Europe. They won the league because they had a very good team with a handful of top class players meanwhile all the other bigger teams had bad seasons at the same time

    It was a perfect storm which allowed them to win the league with what was in fact a very low points tally by modern PL standards.

    If we tank the league again next season everyone who is on here saying how good it’s going to be to have a couple of extra days to prepare will be left wondering what is happening as if it wasn’t predictable

    And like I said what’s even the point of having a better league season to qualify for the CL if we think playing 2 games a week, half of which are against pub sides and incredibly average European teams is so damaging to us? If the EL is too much for us then if we miraculously get top 4 next season – we won’t – we’ll be getting knocked out in the group stages because we’re not cut out for 2 games a week. Ironically if we come third in the group we’d drop into the EL.

    Y’all a living in dream land where we have a good PL campaign next season and come top 4 because we’ve not had to send our fringe player to play Dundalk or young boys on Thursday evenings.

    And the proof is in the pudding that even when arteta has had a frankly horribly season we still were only 2 victories away from winning the EL and qualifying for the CL by the back door. Even after being shit for most of the competition we still nearly won it because it’s that winnable. Even emery was one good game away from winning the EL with arsenal and is again with bloody villareal. If he can do it I really don’t get why people think it’s anything other than a ‘there to be had’ trophy, money and back door to the CL

    But like I said, when we don’t come top 4 you’ll all be disappointing lamenting that if only there had been another way to qualify or another competition we could’ve won…

  60. Gonsterous

    I can bet my house on the fact that Wenger looking back on his tenure with arsenal will regret not doing more to win another PL title. He is not going to be proud of the fact that he made the owners millions, he’s going to be proud of the many achievements in his tenure and sadly, he deserved another PL title post 2005 but he was his one worst enemy. Sad knowing the best manager in arsenal history (for me) did not reach his potential.

  61. Dissenter

    Why didn’t the referee give Kepa a yellow card yesterday

    If you believe the ref played the advantage after he denies a goal scoring opportunity by scooping a deliberate back pass from the goal line, he ought to have gotten a yellow card after we scored.

  62. Marc

    “All this talk about qualifying for Europe as if it is the end of the world. It’s not. Assuming we don’t qualify it may prove to be a blessing.”

    Oh dear and the same guy then makes another comment including “Seriously, the comments on this blog are so divorced from reality it’s like visiting the planet zoob.”

    We lost circa £70 million in the 3 seasons prior to last, last season showed a loss of £47 odd million with hardly any effect from COVID so we’re sitting on something like £120 million in accumulated losses prior to this season where we’re down £90 – £100 million in match day revenue and we have an increased wage bill.

    Apparently the solution to that is to take off another £30 million in revenue in European TV / prize money and knock ST’s down by 15% (that’s my guess what they’ll but we’ll see shortly).

    I reckon we’ll be showing combined losses of £250 million or more after this seasons accounts come out, at the current rate we won’t be able to play in Europe because of FFP.

    Oh year we have to pay back a £120 million loan to the Government in a few weeks.

  63. China1

    Yeah marko there’s nothing we can do about it now but I just can’t see a silver lining on this one

    Because you and I both believe arteta will start the season, tank the league, be sacked by Xmas, and we’ll at best have the league cup and FA cup to play for. The new manager comes into a mess.

    But if we had been in Europe then even if the league gets yanked and Mikel gets sacked by Xmas as I predict will happen, at least the new manager has something valuable to play for just as Tuchel has done so well for Chelsea after Lampard got sacked

    Anyway it can’t be undone now. But that silver lining doesn’t exist imo

  64. Jamie

    It’s better that we’re out of Europe next season (because midweek games affect the squad) so that we can really try hard to qualify for Europe the season after (where midweek games affect the squad).

    Elite logic.

    Qualifying for Europa for the start of the 2022-23 season will be seen as progress.

  65. Marc

    Jamie

    And these morons think all these players are going to want to play for us with no EL let alone CL.

    It’s staggering.

  66. China1

    Basically if we don’t qualify for Europe one way or another next season I think arsenal as a major club are absolutely fucked and long term mid table is where we will be.

    Some call this the circuit break. Death spiral is far more likely unless miracles happen and next season is a proper success

  67. TR7

    How can anyone with a modicum of understanding of our club’s finances wish we better be out of Europa ? And it’s not that we are going to win the fucking league if we have two days extra in a week to prepare. We get through the earlier rounds of Europa with our second string team, so Europa doesn’t hamper our league position anyway.

  68. China1

    Some of the ‘positive’ guys on here might think I’m just being reactionary or anti arteta or whatever but it’s not that, really

    Fuck arteta, emery, wenger, whoever. Right now I honestly believe the club is standing on the precipice of complete, genuine irrelevance. Everton/villa/west ham, this level of irrelevance.

    Everyone running the club, management, coaches, edu, vinai, Stan, everyone needs to pull it out the bag this season. If they don’t I honestly think what we’re seeing now is the club circling the drain and I genuinely believe once we fall down that hole it will be almost irreversible without some absolute wizardry to bring us back any time soon. The damage will be lasting. Don’t qualify for Europe next season and our best young talents we want to build the club around will be asking to leave.

    Deary me it’s depressing. Someone needs to save this fucking club before it can do itself any more damage

  69. Kroenkephobe

    I’m listening to that. He’ll get off.

    Left – as sure as night follows day. I don’t even understand why this isn’t taking place in a court. It’s a massive abuse of power. But when half the so-called cross-examination is coming from fellow Tories, you just know nothing will happen. He’s a fucking enemy within – he’s screwed the union, our relationship with Europe and used his position to become filthy rich. This country feels fucked and on a precipice.

  70. Marc

    TR7 & China

    Well said both of you.

    I know Pedro’s not a finance guy but I do think it would be good for him to do a piece highlighting just how much trouble we are in. If Pedro doesn’t feel comfortable doing it maybe Swiss Ramble would like to do a guest post.

  71. Dela Mere

    The same crap was spouted by Champagne Charlie over experienced manager Wenger, – give him time and with the right backing he has another title in him. The man is a deluded fool.

  72. Marc

    Kroenkephobe

    I’m not going to get into a long drawn out political debate with you but have you checked how much Tony Bliar has made since he left office?

  73. Tom

    We’ll see what kind of additions the club makes in the summer but there are three main reasons players want to join a club in no particular order: wages, the style of football a manager is known for, and the European exposure.

    Call me crazy but the wages is the only reason for anyone of note to even consider Arsenal at the moment, and as we all know that’s how you end up with players you can’t move on when things don’t work out.
    And that’s where the circle closes……

  74. WengerEagle

    Yeah no idea what AFC Forever is on about re it being a positive thing us being out of Europe next season.

    Massive hit on our financials not to mention lessens our attractiveness for prospective new players. It’s also a real tangible backdoor into CL football if the league campaign doesn’t go to plan, I would argue that it is a much more realistic one than breaking into the top 4.

    We’ve been to the EL Final/SF in three of the last four seasons. Should have been two Finals if we took care of Villarreal.

    Who is dropping out of that PL top 4 to make room for us next season? City aren’t going anywhere, United will probably sign Sancho and improve further, Chelsea just need to get a proper goalscorer like Haaland in to make them title contenders, never mind CL places.

    Leicester won’t stand still and Liverpool will come back with a vengeance, too much quality and top players not to.

  75. Rambo

    Not sure why anyone bothers replying to these ‘positivity to the point of idiocy’ lads.

    AFC ‘I showup with my peabrain only when Arsenal win’ Forever ?

    Champagne Chuckles- the legendary AKB, the ‘Wenger has it in him to win the PL in 2018’ guy, the Xhaka championing hero.

    If there was an award on Legrove for being the loudest and an award for the being the dumbest, he’d do clean sweeps every year

  76. China1

    Honestly speaking I’ve felt a lot of negativity over the last 7 or 8 years. That much is obvious. But until today I’ve never felt fear before. Genuine fear that arsenal are on the brink of genuine collapse as a big club. But I really believe we’re teetering on that edge and the same people were asking to turn it around are any of the same people who’ve been accelerating us towards it. What’s not to be scared of about that?

  77. Marc

    Rambo

    They can’t both win it every year – would you let them take turns? Maybe have several awards in different categories? Or just let them share it?

  78. Marc

    Shit I forgot about Arteta’s “plan” to win the CL in 3 seasons.

    Year 1 – Pants and misses out of Europe altogether

    Year 2 – ? but a repeat of the above with the sack seems more likely than him finishing top 4

    Year 3 – Pundit on the CL final for Kazakhstan TV.

    Does that count as winning it?

  79. Kroenkephobe

    Marc

    He is as big a thief as Cameron. No quarrel with that. He’s even got the gall to head up some middle east peace think tank when he and Dubya made the second gulf War happen. Oh the irony (and the millions). Completely corrupt. In fact it pains me almost to say it that the only former PM in Britain with any dignity is Major.

    Lefties feel no affiliation with Blair. He was ideologically aligned with Thatcher and never belonged in the Labour movement.

  80. Champagne Charlie

    “Champagne Chuckles- the legendary AKB, the ‘Wenger has it in him to win the PL in 2018’ guy, the Xhaka championing hero.If there was an award on Legrove for being the loudest and an award for the being the dumbest, he’d do clean sweeps every year“

    I don’t think you give yourself enough credit, I’m no match for you and the rest of your incel armada.

  81. AFC Forever

    Everyone talks about progress.

    Since December 2020 Arsenal have won more points than Chelsea. In those 22 games, we have won 2 more points. That is despite Chelsea having spent £220m in the summer on half their first team: Havertz, Werner, Ziyech, Chilwell, and Mendy.

    Form between first/second half of the season:

    Matchday 1 to 18——Pos: 12th——-GS: 20/GA: 19
    Matchday 19 to 36—-Pos: 4th——–GS: 30/GA: 19

    Current form, last 6 games:-

    Matchday 31 to 36—-Pos: 1st * ———GS: 10/GA: 3
    * If Liverpool wins both games in hand they would have 1 more point than us so we would be 2nd.

  82. Rambo

    Also anyone in a profession will tell you Saka and ESR are likely to tank next year. Arteta’s management skills will make sure of it.

    With more experience comes more baggage, with more baggage comes more tantrums, with more tantrums comes less effectiveness.

    This especially the case with youth who are ahead of their curve in any profession. Which is the case with Saka and ESR

  83. Marc

    AFC

    It might have missed your attention but during those 22 matches you mention Chelsea sacked a failing manager and brought in a new one.

    How about you compare the points from Tuchel’s first match?

  84. englandsbest

    marko
    dissenter

    What Arsenal ought to be looking for in a manager is not simply one who occasionally wins something. A professional, if you like, who does a professional job. Arsenal is bigger than that. And here is what perhaps distinguishes older fans from younger ones. We are accustomed to a season when the clubs win nothing, sometimes several seasons. But the Club always retained its identity, its eliteness.

    Given time Emery might have won something, but he would never have been a committed fan. And commitment is what we need at the Club if it is ever to regain its identity and eliteness. Now beyond question Arteta is a committed fan. Everything he says and does confirms that.

  85. Rambo

    ‘I don’t think you give yourself enough credit, I’m no match for you’

    Charlie- I’m known to drop the occasional pearler. But you know what gives me the strength to keep going? Bruh its you. Knowing that I’ll never be the biggest joke of the blog. You my rock, you my Everest 🙂

  86. Marko

    Because you and I both believe arteta will start the season, tank the league, be sacked by Xmas, and we’ll at best have the league cup and FA cup to play for. The new manager comes into a mess.

    I still believe that he’s getting sacked come the end of the season. How could he not

  87. Marko

    Now beyond question Arteta is a committed fan. Everything he says and does confirms that.

    Absolute total nonsense. I dunno man I think you might be a little unhinged with shit like that

  88. WengerEagle

    AFC Forever

    ‘Since December 2020 Arsenal have won more points than Chelsea. In those 22 games, we have won 2 more points.’

    Hold on, you were literally just suggesting that not qualifying for Europe next season was a silver lining due to fixture congestion and fatigue weighing us down in the league and now you’re making a direct comparison to Chelsea’s league form since a very specific date to highlight a perceived improvement on our end which ignores that they have had great success in both the Cups. The Champions League being the absolute pinnacle of football beating Real Madrid, Atletico Madrid and Porto over two legs.

    Talking out both sides of your mouth.

    That first month Lampard was still at the helm and he was promptly sacked for not being good enough.

    Since Tuchel was appointed on 27th January, Chelsea have picked up 35 points from 17 whereas in the same timeframe we have picked up 25 points from 16, last night’s swing game factored in.

    So they have actually been considerably better than us even in the league since Tuchel was brought in, forget about their Champions League and FA Cup exploits on top of that.

  89. Tom

    “Since December 2020 Arsenal have won more points than Chelsea. In those 22 games, we have won 2 more points. That is despite Chelsea having spent £220m in the summer on half their first team: Havertz, Werner, Ziyech, Chilwell, and Mendy.“

    You can add Pulisic for $70m to that total while you’re at it, which makes it a cool $250mil
    for the quartet of Pulisic, Werner, Ziyech, and Havertz.
    And the return for that outlay is 16 PL goals in 6600 minutes of PL play.

    “Oh,but the Chelsea are so much more talented” …..blah, blah, blah lol!!!!!

  90. AFC Forever

    WengerEagle

    “Yeah no idea what AFC Forever is on about re it being a positive thing us being out of Europe next season”

    Firstly, I always want to see us in Europe. However, if I believe that for the greater good of the club missing out on the Europa League might be a good thing for the long term, it’s a happy sacrifice. Given the choice of Europa League next season and the following season or no Europa and the Champions League the next, its a no-brainer. If anyone bothered to actually read my comment and the explanations, I can’t see how that can be misunderstood. I don’t drop bombs like most people, I take the time to explain.

    I accept the point about attracting players however you get better players in the Champions League.

    The problem with this blog is everything is always negative. It’s deliberately framed that way, there is dishonest framing all over the place. Too many extremists and pot stirrers. Nothing wrong with having an adult conversation but this blog makes that difficult.

    I have supported this club since the sixties; I have stood on freezing cold terraces when we had crap teams, I have invested considerable time, money and my heart into a club I love. Social Media warriors who slag off the club at every opportunity are what they are but these over-opinionated, disingenuous zealots are just extreme elements who are only interested in one thing. The game they play.

  91. AFC Forever

    WengerEagle

    “Talking out both sides of your mouth”.

    That sums up this blog, that was unnecessary. So I’m done today, go find someone else your age to act hard with.

  92. WengerEagle

    AFC Forever

    You can’t come on here and bitch about half the posters on a daily basis and then get precious about a relatively innocuous comment like that, come on.

    I rate you as a poster, unlike that freak that posts here on a hundred new Monikers and can’t actually debate like an adult without spazzing out and throwing insults at everyone he disagrees with.

    Apologies if it came off as inflammatory. Happy to actually have a debate with you.

  93. Valentin

    England’s best,

    “Now beyond question Arteta is a committed fan. Everything he says and does confirms that.”

    1) how do you know he is a fan? Because he says he is? You should ignore what Arteta said, because most of it is just PR stuff. If Arteta can lie about his reason for benching players,he an lie for taking the Arsenal job. Do you think that if Barcelona or ManCity came calling, he would be out of the door ready to go. He may have been with Arsenal as club captain, but Rangers, Everton could also claim to be his club.

    2) even if he is a fan, that would be completely irrelevant. Kevin Keegan was a true Newcastle fan who bleed barcode but he was also a limited manager. Between a true fan but limited manager and a good manager with no affective connection with the club longer term the second option is always better. You should judge a manager on his job performance not on what he says during his press conference.

  94. Useroz

    More bs I hope…

    media linking us to “struggling Liverpool man and Cheslea flop…”

    Can see Arteta and Edu rubbing their hands…