Several years ago I did the Emirates stadium tour . Our host was the inimitable Charlie George and he was a delight to chat to, Charlie is almost an exact contemporary of mine and I was telling him a story about pre-season training in the summer of 1971 in a local park. I noticed all the boys around me playing football and on scoring, falling to the ground in an imitation of Charlie’s iconic celebration at Wembley a couple of months earlier . He smiled at this and one of our group asked him how well he knew the current team ( this was around the summer of 2014 ) . Charlie looked back a little forlornly and said ‘ Nobody in that dressing room has a clue who I am ‘. It stunned our group because Charlie George was, we thought, a special figure in Arsenal history and even very much younger players would appreciate his place in the history of the club, particularly as he was an Arsenal ambassador, who appeared at the club regularly . But Charlie was clearly sincere and mentioned that when he did see any of the current team they walked straight past him .
Does that matter ? Many people reading this may not realise who Charlie is and what he and his teammates did for the club but in May 1971 Arsenal will be celebrating the fiftieth anniversary of the first of three League and Cup doubles that we have recorded. It was a VERY big deal fifty years ago. Arsenal had emerged from a barren period of 17 years with no silverware by winning the Fairs Cup in 1970. The following season they mounted a challenge for the League and Cup which also encompassed a Fairs Cup defence that saw them attacked in the street after an official banquet by Lazio players and a League Cup campaign. That season they played 64 games on pitches that were mudheaps in winter and barren deserts in spring .
On the website www.Goonerholicsforever.com we are commemorating the Double triumph and at the same time trying to raise money for the Willow Foundation . Willow is the charity that was set up by Bob Wilson the goalkeeper of that Double team and his wife Megs to mark the death of their daughter Anna from a rare form of cancer at the age of 32. It seeks to provide special experiences for terminally ill people or those receiving palliative care aged between 18-40 . Please visit the site in May and try to donate or enter our online auction for memorabilia signed by members of the team. I’ve known Bob for a number of years and he is the go-to person for radio and tv when they want to discuss Arsenal, Arsene Wenger or goalkeeping in general . He was the person the club chose to host Wenger’s leaving presentation in 2018 . If there is a better candidate for ‘ Mr Arsenal ‘ I’ve yet to meet him and had the Arsenal board co-opted an ex-player onto the board there could not have been many better choices. As part of our commemoration on GF we’ve recorded a couple of podcasts with Bob and Pat Rice who was the right-back in the Double side , captain of the Cup winners in 1979 and of course assistant to Arsenal Wenger until 2012 . What story did they have to tell and why does it still matter now ?
Before beginning to tell you, Let me tell you I’m 70 and have supported Arsenal since 1958. I’ve seen well over 1500 games and my family support spans five generations from a grandfather who watched Arsenal play at Woolwich to a grandson of 11 who loves the club too. I went to around twenty games at Highbury in that double season but played myself on Saturdays so most of the games I saw were in midweek. I did get to some London away games too. Beginning that season Arsenal had a bit of momentum having just won the Fairs Cup although there were no incomings in the close season. There was no transfer window then but the side had several injuries. Jon Sammels missed several early games and Peter Simpson one of the finest defenders never to play for England was seriously injured too. In the first game at Everton Charlie George broke his leg in scoring the first equaliser in a 2-2 draw, a very decent result as Everton were the reigning champions . The side started the season well despite having to make many changes . Peter Storey joined Eddie Kelly and George Graham in midfield. John Roberts a giant Welshman replaced Simpson and Ray Kennedy joined John Radford in a two-pronged attack. Kennedy had scored the away goal that effectively won Arsenal the Fairs Cup but was very inexperienced. He and Radford notched 50 goals between them in the Double season. The season began with a series of very good results and few defeats . Arsenal were unbeaten at home all season ( remember what that feels like ?!) in the League and were a very well-organised defensive side. Talk to any of those players and they attribute this to the coaching of Don Howe although they do recognise the organisational ability of Bertie Mee (my pen name on Le Grove!) who was a foil to Howe who had been a top- class defender. I had expected the team’s form to dip but they were consistent away from home and produced a set of excellent performances coming into Christmas. The one exception was a 5-0 thrashing at Stoke who were a very high-quality outfit then. Think Tony Waddington not Tony Pulis!
It was a time when the identity of future champions was hard to work out. Everton were champions but we thrashed them 4-0 at Highbury. Chelsea had just won the Cup and played some stylish football. Liverpool were an emerging force and Manchester City were a side full of attacking flair ( although we beat them twice at Maine Road that season). Spurs won the League Cup and eventually finished third. But the favourites were Leeds. They were the toughest competitors and the best football team in the country but had a tendency to fall at the last hurdle . But they emerged as our biggest rival as we emerged into the New Year, trailing a few points behind them ( and there were only two points for a win ).
When the cup campaign began in January we were given away draws in every round. Yeovil were not a serious problem but we needed a tight replay to dispose of Portsmouth then produced a superb display to beat Manchester City with the restored Charlie George scoring two spectacular goals. At that moment the press began to talk about the possibility of a double. Arsenal had stayed in touch in the League but trailed Leeds by 7 points. Fortunately we began a brilliant league run which saw us claw back that lead until a Saturday in April when Leeds and Arsenal were both at home. We played Newcastle and Leeds played West Brom another side who had tremendous attacking power ( although we had beaten them 6-2 at Highbury in September ). Arsenal clinched victory through a late George thunderbolt. Leeds meanwhile were on the wrong end of a 2-1 defeat where the referee had allowed a demonstrably offside goal by Jeff Astle to count . We were top of the league heading for the finish !
Stoke reared their head again in the Cup semi-final at Hillsborough. The first half was a disaster. A deflection off their captain gave them a fluke first goal and a George back pass fell short for Ritchie to round the stranded Wilson for their second. In the second half Peter Storey , one of the toughest players in Arsenal history saw a deflected shot cut the arrears and then in the last minute he was tasked with taking a penalty kick to save the match after Stoke’s Mahoney had dived full-length to save a Mclintock header. Storey’s kick was one of the worst I’ve ever seen but Gordon Banks probably the best keeper in the world then had his weight on the wrong foot and it crept in. Stoke were crushed mentally and lost the replay 2-0.
In the league we suffered a desperately late reverse at Leeds which put them back into contention but we went into the last week of the season needing to win our last three games to clinch the Double . We beat Stoke in a nervy game at home 1-0 and then on the Monday travelled to White Hart Lane for our last game . To do justice to the atmosphere of that game and to see how events unfolded do check Goonerholics Forever in early May . I was locked out of the ground in common with 60,000 other people . We needed to win or draw 0-0 to take the title because of goal difference. A Ray Kennedy header with minutes to go gave us victory after a titanic battle on a night when more people were locked out than got into White Hart Lane. The vast majority were Arsenal fans .
We went to Wembley on the Saturday as champions and produced a really solid performance. It was 0-0 at 90 minutes although we had dominated but an early Heighway goal in extra time looked likely to break our hearts. Then a very strange goal which to this day has not been definitively attributed to Kelly or George Graham ( who was outstanding on the day ) brought us level and Charlie George scored with a superb drive in the second half to clinch the Cup and the Double and trigger that iconic celebration. Again the GF account will give you all the drama from the players and some of us lucky enough to be there.
When I was talking to Bob a few weeks ago I told him that as the team were running towards us at Wembley before the start I had a concern that having won the league that would be enough for them. I asked Bob if that had ever occurred to them and the look on his face made it very clear that it never crossed their minds. Frank Mclintock one of the great figures in Arsenal history and a captain still revered by his surviving team mates had lost four times at Wembley. The team were all desperate to win for him and for fans starved of domestic success for so long. But above all they were great competitors and to me they were heroes. And win they did .
As I reflected on the question I asked Bob I realised what a 2021 attitude that is. Arsenal has never had a tougher , more committed team than that one. It has had many better football teams but never one I can remember trusting more to hold a lead . Those players , those that survive, as Armstrong that tireless winger and Roberts have died , and many others are in poor health, deserve to be recognised and as we wade through the squalid detritus of the ESL it is poignant to reflect on a team that achieved great glory but whose players are not recognised by lesser players of the current era. That’s a metaphor for football that doesn’t reflect well on our game .
That week in May was one of the very best of my Arsenal – supporting life. The day after the Final 750.000 people thronged the streets of North London and the club celebrated an achievement only accomplished once before in modern football history at that time . When you are 70 you look back much more than you look forward especially when your club is owned by Stan Kroenke . I look back with pride and satisfaction and a sense that what we had achieved was very special. And it remains special fifty years on .
Authored by Peter Le Beaum (Bertie Mee in the comments)
Please visit www.goonerholicsforever.com to see our Double commemoration in association with the Willow Foundation from May 3rd – 8th .
Today’s game dead rubber castle not going down we will fin 11th.
Would play balogun ,niketah n Nelson up front…
Auba ain’t at races don’t think people realise how long it takes to come back from illness like that keep whatever him got till Thursday.
Tony
“Life is hope for the best and plan for the worst.”
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Look what Arteta has done to you!
On paper the Glazier and Kroenke should behave somewhat differently if how they get rich is a guide.
Glazier made his wealth as a hedge funds trader, owner and by definition is well into LBOs asset stripping, IPOs etc.
Whereas Kroenke supposedly made money building and accumulating all kinds of real estate properties from malls, ranches, stadiums, etc.
The common theme of making some money aside, I think they’d tend to behave differently, I hope anyway …
@ Useroz
Real Estate is a highly leveraged business.
Rspca
“Two consective finals at the start and end of the 70s… Lovely”
I actually went to 5 consecutive cup finals late 60’s / early 70’s ..Leeds, Swindon, anderlecht, Liverpool, Leeds.
Plus 4 at the end of the 70’s
Ipswich, Manchester United( didn’t attend) , West ham , valencia.
Attended 8 and only won 2 …..
Pierre, if we get to a final please stay away…
Yes, Pierre that is an awful record lol
The different teams Arsenal had in the late 50s/60s.
Metropolitan league.
SE Counties league.
Combination league.
There was alway’s a game at Highbury if the 1st team was away.
Free paper programme and PERCY DALTONS peanuts tanner a bag.
those Saturdays kept me out of trouble. 🙂
Pierre was at the EL final vs Chelsea too
James, do you think the current U18 and U23 set up us better for young players or the old Combination/SE counties competitions?
My opinion is the current set up produces better technical skills but less well rounded footballers (and as discussed previous more sterile and robotic players).
There’s no reason they can’t mimic the conditions for what creates “street footballers” Then produce that style of player in high quantities Think of it as any production line Once they know the ingredients, or what parts they need, they’ll then work out the most efficient way to assemble those parts, and the cheapest way of getting hold of those parts There will then be innovations within innovations, that improves the quality of the work they do over time, and every club will be desperately trying to put together the best ingredients in the most efficient way Once they’ve worked… Read more »
Why do people talk about Malaria like it’s Ebola?
Auba was shit before he went to play for Gabon.
Lol Rambo that you use my brothers suicide as an insult suggests you are worth even less than the insecure little slug I already took you for The fact that my moniker is the name of a place you are scared off is literally causing you to behave in such a frankly pathetic manner. Your insecurity is honestly concerning and I feel sorry for you that a person could be so utterly triggered by the name of a place to shit on the memory of my dead brother. I would honestly suggest you ask yourself why you are doing that… Read more »
Rich, George Orwell would have loved you. The Matrix? I’m sure you’d vote for it.
Life is more than money, more than equations and calculations and deep down people know that. Well, most people anyway.
Thank you Peter. Wonderful memories. One thing I take issue with is your palpably wrong description of West Brom’s perfectly fair second goal against Leeds. Brown did not pass to the offside Suggett, who was running back into his own half anyway, and Astle, the scorer was almost certainly behind the ball when the final pass was played. Astle was out of camera shot so there is no demonstrable evidence at all. What is more there were only 9 minutes left and Leeds were already losing. When we lost at Huddersfield to a penalty given for handball against Frank McClintock… Read more »
There is absolutely no comparison between Kroenke and the Glazers apart from they are
Americans and are not interventionist owners.
The Glazers did not use their own money to buy Manchester United. Repayment of debt has been secured by club repayments and I believe that the Glazers receive annually payments as well.
Stan Kroenke has bought Arsenal with his own money and/or borrowed money without saddling the club with debt to cover purchase. So far as I am aware he has not taken a dime
out of Arsenal since he became the ” owner”.
@China.
Loved your posts earlier this morning. Like you I didn’t have a clue what I wanted to so as a kid, probably never really have. Pigeon holing young people at an early age is really damaging, a little guidance is fine but how can you make a decision that impacts the rest of your life when you know virtually nothing about the real world at that age? My condolences regards your brother.
Stroller, you are basically correct although KSE did take a ‘consultancy fee’ of £3m back in 2013/14.
China1
Takes a lot of courage to wrote about the suite death of a loved one. You’re a stand-up gig that I’ve loved interacting with on this blog.
Accept my condolences for your loss and my apologies on behalf of the human race for what “Rambo’’ wrote. It doesn’t take much to be crass on the internet
Dissenter and Andy, much love!
@Dissenter
Why do people talk about Malaria like it’s Ebola?
Ebola kills few people quickly while Malaria kills millions progressively
Ironically I don’t remember Rambo always being such an angry little guy. I’ve used this name for about 6 years or so ever since Pedro banned me once for something or other and I was curious to see if a simple name change would circumvent it or he’d be tracking my IP lol
But Rambo has been this triggered about any mention of China for at least since Ramsey left us because I’m otherwise at a loss to explain his basic lack of culture and upbringing
Apparently scientists at Oxford have produced a good quality vaccine for malaria just recently so fingers crossed 3 years from now this will stop being such a nasty disease
Dissenter always enjoyed your posts too btw. Part of the le grove furniture haha
Andy did you find something you were happy with in the end? Hope it’s all worked out (or if not will do soon!)
I’ve been thinking today is going to be a good arsenal win but my predictions have about a 10% success rate so I’m going to call it a defeat for arsenal by virtue of me expecting a good win
Ryan, Bellerin, Luiz, Gabriel, Xhaka, Elneny, Ceballos, Willian, Ode, Martinelli, Auba.
Rambo wasn’t always such a little dickhead I don’t know what happened to him over the years.
My sincerest condolences to you China. You remain always a very good man and I hope with each passing day you and your family can find some comfort. Best wishes to you always.
I’m not a fan of the midfield today, the whole team infact but I’m trying to remain positive and will just try to enjoy it (I know, lol)
Ceballos should have never worn an Arsenal shirt again on a football pitch.
Yes CHINA I enjoy your comments and thoughts and feel for your loss.
I can’t get my head past that midfield, it is horrific.
Willian starting tells you that Arteta thinks little of this one and likely will go all in on Thursday. Should the guys win today it will be down to them. I no longer have any faith in Arteta but i still am supportive of the guys.
Thanks China. Did I find something? Sort of. Something I can put up with until I retire anyway. I’m in a very niche job which is nice because nice as I’m the ‘go to guy’ in the area. On the down side my superiors don’t have a clue about what I do and keep coming up with the same stupid ideas that their predecessors had and which didn’t work the first time around. But it’s tolerable, and that will do for me.
Rich
I know how obliging you are.
When writing in future, could I politely ask that you avoid mixing messages that contain football on the one hand and outdated Thatcherite/Milton Freedman economic theory and lazy tropes that you’ve miscopied from a book on the other?
Please also write at the top ‘AFC’ for the first category, and something accurate like, oh, ‘erroneous right wing horseshit’ for the second.
That way we can all avoid the ones we don’t like. Cheers comrade!
Leftie, yup, absolutely horrible midfield. Bet Willock is gutted he isn’t able to face them today.
Just hope we can contain ST MAXIME..
Ramgun
May 2, 2021 12:31:13
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“allowed a demonstrably offside goal by Jeff Astle to count”
I agree with you, it wasn’t, I could never stand Revie, Bremner etc:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DjZNt7C2Pfw
Xhaka playing again and still at left back? Bizarre.
Right, why not start Azeez, Nelson and Balogun?
Ceballos was so shit in the last game why play him again?
Xhaka left back after doing shit there last game?
I am fully Arteta out. Terrible, terrible manager! Why is he so stubborn and insistent on pissing the fans off?
I wonder if there’s a scenario where the stadium property could be retained by Stan and the company sold off to Ek and co.?
So the new company can rent the stadium instead of owning it.
This would give both parties what they want going forward.
Might work
That’s a seriously dubious looking lineup. At least Martinelli is playing
One would assume he’s basically resting some of our better players for Thursday. If it works then ok. If we do badly today then don’t go through on Thursday this lineup will be torn apart in retrospect
Ok…As we know the result today doesn’t really matter…That said it would be nice to regain some semblance of a decent team performance…. How then does Arteta believe that this team selection will.lead to any form of good team play. Xhaka continues to be left exposed at left back…Just to illustrate Xhaka’s lack of pace against the Newcastle wing-backs and to increase the effect that St Maximin might have on the game…the ever increasingly slow Bellerin returns at full-back…and Cedric continues to warm the bench.No sign whatsoever of Tierney which means that Arteta doesn’t take the chance to try someone… Read more »
Kroenkephobe
Can’t wait for you to get over to Spain comrade, don’t let the door hit you on the way out
You’ll be right at home in a country where they imprison their political opponents who campaign for separatism
A left wing government facing a double dip recession, a single currency very close to collapse, and an unelected and unaccountable bureaucracy, having the sole right to propose laws + regulations on your behalf
It’s not quite North Korea, China or Russia, but it’s not far off
Have fun cuck 😘
Meaning Martinelli wouldn’t start on Thursday !
Andy lol I know all about those dumb senior manager requests trust me. Glad you got something you’re fine with
James much love!
Ernest likewise ❤️
Rich
The women are hot as fuck though
Balogun not on bench for practically a dead runber?
Wouldn’t we need to prep as much firepower as possible for Thursday, just in case?
Isn’t this part of any sensible process?
Good Morning everyone.. This lineup… all my least fav… players. except Martinelli Anyhow.. force of habit. I have to watch. Xhaka plays every single match basically. And I don’t need to see Willian…play. Play a youth player or something. It’s disheartening to be honest.
That said.. hope we win as always. regardless of selection.
Lol rich you cannot be serious
Btw would rather let Azeez have a bit of fun than seeing Ceballos starting…
Yeah surely balogun should be making the bench???
If arteta stays he will love to regret that new contract I suspect
Yeah honestly what is the point of ceballos today? He’s banned from the EL so not relevant. We aren’t signing him in the summer surely??? He’s on shit form. Attitude is dubious. We have some kids who need minutes. The match is a dead rubber
Why would you pick him????? He shouldn’t play for arsenal again
Sorry Gruppenfuhrer Nouveau Rich, didn’t read it. I asked nicely about the message heading suggestion and there was none so I gave it the treatment it probably deserves.
Well, we will definitely witness the process in action…
Ceballoa to Elneny to Willian to Xhaka to Luiz to Gabriel to Ceballos to Elneny to Ceballos, and recycle again
Rich
You live in the UK?
Even if there’s a miracle and we win the EL.
I’d never trust Arteta with our transfer funds.
He has to go.
Arteta being Arteta nothing new here.
Arteta with two more games in charge has less points and a worse goal difference than Emery had with Arsenal according to the NBC studio graphic.
Clueless bastards, don’t t they know it’s the process that counts.
Cunts.
Oh! Who took Reiss Nelson’s reserved seat on the bench?
LeftsideMay 2, 2021 13:09:25
I can’t get my head past that midfield, it is horrific
The ball probbaly wouldn’t progress past that midfield either….
Wenger had his flaws but the guy was the absolute king of rotation and giving squaddies and kids minutes
He set the standard which arteta seriously needs to copy.
China
Arteta is generational and doesn’t copy!
Kroenkephobe
When you see “Rich” as the author of the post, just ignore the post, and move onto the next one
Enjoy your safe space from the mean and nasty words you giant gimp
“I wonder if there’s a scenario where the stadium property could be retained by Stan and the company sold off to Ek and co.?” Worst case scenario, that. Look at the likes of Coventry: you can and will be kicked out of ‘your’ stadium if a better opportunity arises for the owners, and you end up in an endless cycle of the threat of having to find somewhere else every few years as the lease expires. — Hope for a good result today, but we know from experience a Ceballos and Elneny partnership wouldn’t start for many PL teams, so… Read more »
Nelson
The 4th keeper
It looks like he don’t learn arteta…
He’s putting the nails in the coffin himself..
So I’m guessing cedric will play on Thursday if tierney is not fit. Though he needs to get some minutes today.
Arteta keeps making the mistake of tthinking players can perform whenever he calls them. He needs to give minutes to all his squad players so they are match fit when called upon. When was the last time cedric played?
Good to see Auba knocking the baby octopus off the top of his head…….or maybe the case of malaria killed it.
Even Pedro.. has pretty much given up on the process. There is nothing to “trust”. When people say trust the process.. All Arteta’s, fan capital, as Pedro says is burned up… When you lose as much as we do.
I would rather see all the players we have out on loan play today then the ones we kept, when I think about it. Saliba, Willock, AMN, and Matty G.
Oohhh mickey loves a tinker don’t he. Tinker tinker mix and match. Will this be the first season ever where every single game had more than 3 changes. Either positionally or personnel. We’ve not played the same team two games in a row the entire season? Can somebody verify that.
Yeah sure. At this point in the season. You can say. He has to. He has no choice. I get it. I just thought it could make for an interesting fun fact.
Happy mid table journeys one and all.
Ceballos and elneny in midfield, so I guess there’s going to be a lot of ball being played around the back then.
We seriously need better midfielders. Even a guendouzi would make the mid better at the moment.
Rich
Your wife is one of my clients. Says she enjoys the extra length provided by my 2 inch dick you fucking twat.
This line-up is weird. The back 4 3/4 changed, Xhaka still LB.
Elneny back in MF, Willian…. again.
Not sure what this is going to give us.
Come on The Arsenal.
ES Kronke hasn’t taken as much out of Arsenal but you are wrong to say he hasn’t taken a dime. Remember the £3 million ? Ok it’s small in the overall scheme of things but there is the annual £25k AST have huge concerns about how both the £550 million Kronke borrowed to buy out Usmanov and the £184 million KSE arranged to finance the re payment of the £144 bond is structured This is what AST say about that “Of most interest to all Arsenal fans is will the club now be servicing the full costs of the KSE… Read more »
“ Your wife is one of my clients. Says she enjoys the extra length provided by my 2 inch dick you fucking twat.”
First message I see today suggests things have got tricky in the comments. Lol.
You can see how low things have gone when playing Newcastle away is a 50/50
Luiz’s long pass is a few levels above Holding
Mo is better than we thought.
Good start, good goal.
Fair play Elneny!
Rich
An immigrant scores and brings benefit to UK based arsenal fans. Who knew?
Kroenkephobe
2inches?
Stop exaggerating, you can’t even count to 2
And there’s no way you can get it up either
1-0 get in. Elneny first PL goal
Keep playing Chambers on the right though. Another Arteta disaster class.
Pyramid Pirlo… with the finish!! haha Before that Gabi bidding to be our future false 9.. dribbling from the back line and having a shot.
Elneny and Willian in for Thursday then lol.
Nice by Bellerin and Elneny!
Well, well.
Mo scores!!! … A MF has actually scored a goal!! I see progress….. 😁
Good to see us lead. Let’s build on this.
Sunday afternoon pirlo
Oh dear the veggie burger is not Mo
David luiz is not the answer but three balls he has hit already show what a ball playing centre half can bring to your game. I love holding’s industry and grit but looking forward to having a CB with those qualities plus what luiz brings.
Arteta so saucy 17 months in he is absolutely clueless what is his best starting 11.
The mofo thinks Holding, Chambers and Xhaka are better than Luiz, Bellerin and Soares.
Ode needs to do more to earn a deal…
Fuck Ode. Don’t sign him.
Give ESR starting place where he belongs in the middle.
Auba is still useless
It feels better with this Aussie keeper in goal.
Great save Ryan
Even fat Bruce learning to put Saint Maximin on Xhaka.
Xhaka as left back. And Ceballos… Quality stuff!…
Arteta really is retarded.