This week is a huge one. We have a cup competition to proceed in after a leggy performance last week then we take on Leicester, with an opportunity to derail their title bid.
Gooners, this is the week. I’m telling you. It’s going to click. We’re going to be popping corks in our covid bubbles. Wild scenes as someone runs naked down the Holloway Road because we SMASHED Brenda and his team of wannabes.
There’s hope as well. Whenever we lose a game, which has been often this season, the misery brigade come out in force… because they don’t want to hear what’s brewing at Arsenal, well, someone put the #TeanmPOSITIVE news out on twitter yesterday and it’s good.
Shield your eyes, here’s the Premier League since Christmas Day. pic.twitter.com/Amb3InXSrn
— Josh Williams (@DistanceCovered) February 22, 2021
So you don’t have to do it yourself: Since Christmas.
2nd best defence in the league.
3rd most goals per game.
5th best points per game.
Am I taking my clothes off ready for a streak based on the above? No. But it adds weight to the narrative that things are getting better whether you like it or not.
When you factor in the messy hand we’ve been dealt this season, namely, our best player has been more injured this season than he ever has in his career, 62 red cards, 26 players left out of the squad, no preseason for a rookie manager, a rookie manager… well, you start to see the green shoots.
Am I forgiving the first half of the season? No. It was shite. The coach made a bad bet on Willian. Auba lost his mojo. We totally botched squad selection. We started the season believing we could be a fine margins team… this was a terrible mistake. It happened, we didn’t sack Arteta, and that’s that.
But now we have to look to the future. Many of the problems are on their way to being mended.
We ditched most of the deadwood causing problems behind the scenes.
We addressed creativity with youth and a loan player under the age of 31.
The coaching looks like it’s finally starting to kick in.
The football is exciting.
There were a lot of people saying that Pep G was trolling Arteta when he praised him after the game. I’m not so sure. Bielsa did the same. I think people forget that he made him a vital part of his backroom team for three years, he doesn’t do that as a favour. He correctly called that we’ve been the better team in most games since Christmas.
I also find the ‘HE TREATS PLAYERS BADLY’ commentary a bit painful to read. Jose Mourinho and Gareth Bale? Thomas Tuchel double subbing CHO in week 2? OGS and VDB? After years of bemoaning the Colney creche, we’ve now got feelings about binning Matteo G who dived in his own box at the weekend and cost a goal? Please. Nothing will ever be perfect, but let’s be honest, the culture at the club needed a reboot.
Last season, we fought and battened down the hatch. There weren’t many performances you could get excited about, but we were winning. Spanish Tony Pulis banter was fair.
Post-Christmas, we’re performing even when we’re losing. Performances matter, because at some point, they’re rewarded.
This week is when the performance need to convert. Arsenal need to have a 5 game run to restore some faith. If we beat Spurs, Benfica, and Leicester… it’ll go a long way.
Now is the time to make some moves. City was always a long shot. I don’t think Spurs and Leicester are on the same planet. Benfica certainly aren’t. Time to pull out the big wins.
So, short one today. Jump into the podcast if you haven’t. Enjoy your day. See you on the other side.
Azed Exactly, that proves what a big job it was for Arteta. Real life football management is not FPL, there are so many things that go with it. Things we don’t even imagine, like changing room unrest or the effect the Ozil situation will have had. Different managers bring different tactics, players complained about Emery’s confusing tactics don’t forget. The problem is some fans see things one-dimensionally, they forget about recruitment, injuries, tactics on the training ground, players for systems, form, contract dealing etc. This was a massive job. Whether Arteta was right for it or not is a valid… Read more »
According to Dailycannon “PSG saw a £30million bid for Hector Bellerin rejected by Arsenal, ”
I also read that Arteta prefers a swap deal with PSG.
Yup Niles, some people like to paint everything black and white, disaster or ‘generational coach’. Time will tell based on the evidence rather than simple faith or because people have nailed their colours to the mast and refuse to see any different. End of the season or by Christmas it’s just how long we need to reach a judgement.
The Bard
Thanks. This is a big rebuild job, everyone knows it.
Andy1886: ‘End of the season or by Christmas it’s just how long we need to reach a judgement.’ I think this is called the ‘centre ground’ and a basis for those on both sides of the argument to find a compromise.
As I said previously, my time line is Christmas, as it will give him a chance to get somewhere near making this squad his squad. If we don’t see the progress by Christmas then let’s start the debate on who next.
So we’re supposed to be okay with languishing in mid table while the so called rebuild takes place, a rebuild not so many can see by the way
China “Martinelli has looked like a difference maker several times in the league already ” I have news for you , he hasn’t… Players like smith rowe and Saka have made a difference, as yet none of the others have. Martinelli is still young and has talent ,but let’s not pretend that apart from his first 7 games in the league cup and europa has he done anything special.. The fact is, his injury has set him back 12 months so it is unreasonable to put such high expectations on such a young player.. He could have done with being… Read more »
Lol were not even mid table we’re bottom half but yea let’s give it till Christmas, I’m sure we’ll def see some improvement
Anonymous “Klopp would perform better with this squad. That is why the klopp article is a miss. It doesn’t matter” 1. Klopp may or may not have this squad performing better we don’t know. It is an unknown fact that remains unproven. What I would say is he isn’t doing a very good job at the moment with a weaker squad, since he’s lost a couple of players. 2. The Klopp article merely points out that Klopp transferred in/out over 80 players, something you have decided is irrelevant to the argument that suggests it takes time. Good luck if you’re… Read more »
Batistuta: What’s the alternative? As I said earlier today, this is not Football Manager, we can’t run the cheat to fill our bank with the millions it would take for a quick fix.
AFC Forever I get everything you say BUT, whatever way you look at things, Arteta is just making too many basic mistakes. I’ve been hitting my head against a brick wall for more than ten years, so have got used to the downsides of supporting my club. Let’s be honest here, if we had owners who had a genuine feel for the club and the game in general, Arteta wouldn’t have got the gig. Wenger would have gone much sooner and an appropriate replacement found. The bottom line is that we are accommodating a manager who is not only learning… Read more »
Andy1886:
‘End of the season or by Christmas it’s just how long we need to reach a judgement.’ I think this is called the ‘centre ground’ and a basis for those on both sides of the argument to find a compromise”
That seems sensible.
I still want to see a fit Partey, Arteta probably feels the same. Get him playing regularly and that is one big improvement.
AFC
Most of the people here who question Arteta don’t want him out. I’d say much of the anger is directed at Pedro who flat out refused to admit the squad was poor in the Emery era and now is making excuses for Arteta.
I for one know Arteta will not be sacked and I’m not even judging him this season but you will see me on here everytime Pedro writes post like this.
Cheney Massimo allegri is still out of a job, so is Jardim. I’m one for giving manager’s time as the league is quite competitive, especially one where you can see some sort of progress but how much time is enough though ? Arteta has been here more than a year and we’re basically a mid table team, that’s not progress. The remit since Wenger left was always get back into the top4 especially as there’s where the money is but we maybe may not even get into the Europa league. There’s so much more teams than the traditional ones that… Read more »
andy1886February 24, 2021 13:54:23 B63 – Are you really suggesting that running Barca’s B team for a year is the equivalent to being a coach under Pep at City and managing not a single game “After retiring as a player, Guardiola briefly coached Barcelona B and assumed control of the first-team in 2008. In his first season as the first team manager, he guided Barcelona to the treble of La Liga, Copa del Rey and UEFA Champions League. In doing so, Guardiola became the youngest manager to win the aforementioned European competition” Let’s stick to the facts, they were both… Read more »
Pierre/China
Every player needs a run of games to get back into form, especially after an injury. Arteta keeps Martinelli in the squad and not sends him out on load. I would thing that Arteta thinks that he is needed for this season. The reason why he attracted more attention is because he has a higher ceiling. His speed is ideal for high pressing. Of course he is lacking gaming experience and chemistry with his teammates..
Graham62
“Let’s be honest here, if we had owners who had a genuine feel for the club and the game in general, Arteta wouldn’t have got the gig.”
I think that is fair. We all know Arteta has been asked to take on a big job, ridiculous the way the club was run. My argument has always been about giving him time to create an identity and recruit better players. I think he has done a great job with our off ball play, we’re not so easy to get at, so that shows me he has something about him tactically.
Thx andy1886 and thx Cheney for coining “centre ground”!
Kris
“We wait too long to fire the greasy cunt….”
Disgraceful comment.
Not sure if this is a racist slur or just typifies the problem with social media, the sheer personal nastiness. Is this really how so-called Arsenal fans behave now?
Thx AFC!
Kris – this is exactly the kind of comment that kills my vibe and discourages me in terms of engaging in this forum. Could u plz resort to commentary that reflects the good and reflected guy I am sure u are 🙂
AFC ForeverFebruary 24, 2021 14:33:29 Kris“We wait too long to fire the greasy cunt…. ”Disgraceful comment.Not sure if this is a racist slur or just typifies the problem with social media, the sheer personal nastiness. Is this really how so-called Arsenal fans behave now? AFC, That’s why the comment section is dying, those of us who have been on here since the days Geoff was co posting are disappearing. Pedro has allowed this to continue for far too long, rational debate has long since left the site and along with it our respect for him. Sad indeed. I will leave… Read more »
Geaham62
How were Arsenal in turmoil after just 13 games into a new season under Emery.
Na na na na, hey hey, goodbye
Na na na na, na na na na, hey hey, goodbye
@berkgamp63
Kris is a genuine goober who has had enough of the charade.
BlackStock
No, you’re probably right but, let’s be honest, Emery was always going to be an accident waiting to happen.
Villareal vs Arsenal will be bigger than Europa league final.
The officials have to make it happen.
Calling Arteta a “greasy cunt is just standard le-grove banter”.
Pedro will know this because banter like this was just normal currency here.
How in the worlds is that racist?
Arteta welcomes the criticisms more that you Arteta sycophants.
Didn’t he say “this is my chest, beat it” to the media
A big chunk of the anger is directed at Pedro who was utterly two=faced with his approach to Emery. Pedro refused to agree that the squad was poor when the other manager had Jenkinson and Lichtsteiner to work with.
Batista Allegri is a CL manager he doesn’t take jobs at dysfunctional clubs with no money, the same for Jardine. They want to progress their careers not revive fading clubs
Graham62
Emery was an accident waiting to happen only because standards were much higher under his control.
B63 – ‘Coach’ is the term often used in Spain for the guy who ‘manages’ the team, it’s not the same thing as a ‘coach’ who works under a manager in England (usually there are several ‘coaches’) as I’m sure you very well know. Pep was in charge of the team (selection, tactics etc.) and Tito Vialnova was his assistant. He did not work in the background under a more senior figure as Arteta did under Guardiola at City. I believe you actually do know this and are being somewhat disingenuous.
Sometimes I wonder whether those who post do proper research. Since the George Graham era Arsenal have won 25 Trophies including 5 League Titles, 9 FA Cups, 1 League Cup, 9 Community Shields and 1 UEFA Cup That is considerably more than any other club in same time frame apart from Man United. Arteta arrived in December 2019 and yet he managed to win FA Cup beating both Man City and Chelsea and Community Shield beating Man City. Yet there are posters on here who want him to be sacked after just 13 months. Frankly if you don’t rate Arsenal… Read more »
Bergkamp63 “AFC, That’s why the comment section is dying, those of us who have been on here since the days Geoff was co posting are disappearing. Pedro has allowed this to continue for far too long, rational debate has long since left the site and along with it our respect for him. Sad indeed. I will leave you to it, I won’t come back on here until it’s dealt with”. Kris is obviously one of those cowards hiding behind a keyboard. Calling Arteta a ‘greasy c” is disgusting. What is worse is those justifying it. These people can’t even respect… Read more »
Correction we beat Liverpool in Community Shield.
YO Dissenter! I also seem to remember that Pedro was quite direct in saying that data did not support the 22 game unbeaten run, and that Emery would be caught up with. I forgive Pedro, I think he is pretty oke at rolling over if he has been two-faced, vague or dead wrong. The thing I see is that everybody is 2-faced here once in a while pending between “WHAT did I tell you!” and ignoring/denying or being silent when things turn out differently than one had build a case. I am super thankful for le grove and all the… Read more »
Correction!
how to spot elite in a guy vs someone who is not cut out for PL (manager or player) and much more over the years!
ES
I think you need a recount.
3 PL titles
8 FA Cups
0 League Cups
0 UEFA Cups
I refuse to accept the Community Shield as a competitive trophy.
11 major trophies since George Graham, not 25, and nothing in Europe, whilst United and Liverpool won 2 CL trophies, as well as Chelsea winning one. United, Liverpool and Chelsea have also won the equivalent of a UEFA Cup in that time period.
People forget that the Barcelona B team competes in the equivalent of the championship in England. ie the rung below La Liga itself. These are not games with same age groups. These are ultra competitive games against other clubs trying to get into the top league. The only difference is if Barca`s B team win the league they dont get promoted. Pep had managed many league matches before the step up to the A team. Pep lite managed I think 1 game when Guardiola was indisposed and promptly lost it So we were a mess when Emery took over and… Read more »
Herbs Army
I think that you need to count. I included our trophies won by George Graham including 2 League Titles.
ES
If you read back, you will find it says ‘Since the George Graham era…’
What is absolutely amazing and equally shameless is Klopp’s gross spend being talked about now.
When Emery was around, it was all about Klopp’s net spend. How he was a genius in converting unwanted players into tens of millions in extra transfer funds to improve his squad on his charge to dominance.
There is no irony left in this place and a weird personality cult has emerged. Peak untold superfans, and everyone else.
What a mess.
Herbs Army
You refuse to accept Community Shield You are typical of most negativists who post on here.
Do you think that the Managers, Players and Supporters of other clubs don’t take winning all trophies seriously?
I suggest that you study both Klopp and Guardiola when they reach finals. They don’t want
to lose.
The only manager who ever downgraded a trophy was Pochettino whilst at Spurs and he
did not win any!!!
ES
Please stop being disingenuous about the value of the Community Shield.
Of the teams we beat to win the Community Shield, how many times did Arsenal translate that into the oncoming season to finish above those opponents?
“Most of the people here who question Arteta don’t want him out. I’d say much of the anger is directed at Pedro who flat out refused to admit the squad was poor in the Emery era and now is making excuses for Arteta.I for one know Arteta will not be sacked and I’m not even judging him this season but you will see me on here everytime Pedro writes post like this.” ————- Replace anger with banter in that comment and that’s a perfect description of my position. Arteta could lose tomorrow and stay tenth in the table till end… Read more »
I don’t rate this manager because he has not demonstrated any qualities to be up to being a manager capable of running a top club
He is regularly making basic errors frequently and his game management is poor .
I have supported this club since the 50s as well and seem both good and extremely poor managers at work.
Emiratesstroller, I have to say how much I admire your ability to stay on track and not let them get to you. Your argument is solid and well-founded. Respect sir. I would enjoy sitting in a pub exchanging beers and conversation with you. I am also a proud supporter of many years who will not allow this fantastic club we support to be discredited and shit upon, in order to make a point about a Manager they don’t like.
Supporting Arsenal isn’t a choice – it’s a privilege.
‘Frankly if you don’t rate Arsenal or its manager why don’t you go off and find another club,
which meets your expectations?’
Errm it the manager who should and will find another club.
You can take this to the bank!
” I think he has done a great job with our off ball play, we’re not so easy to get at, so that shows me he has something about him tactically.” I guess you have just decided to write off the fact we have lost 11 league games already as some sort of accident, we are not easy to get at he says about the team that have lost 11 games and that gave City and Villa their easiest wins of the season. Arteta has done a great job in making some of you super fans believe a 1-0 defeat… Read more »
Anyone here a cape-maker? Asking for a friend.
Jamie
The fact Klopp and Arteta are even mentioned in the same sentence in any sort of comparison is funny in itself.
An assistant to a manager and a total novice, and a guy who tormented Bayern for a couple of seasons and was the envy of every club with a self sustaining model operating on a super tight budget.
Jamie, If you actually read the article about Klopp, you will see that it wasn’t about how much he spent. It was about how long it took him to move in and out over 80 players. That was used as the basis to support the argument that it takes time to build a title-challenging team. When you consider the fact that neither Wenger nor Emery could get a tune out of these players, something fans are fully aware of, then you have to recognise the rebuild will take time. Klopp was given time but Arteta is not. It’s not all… Read more »
“The fact Klopp and Arteta are even mentioned in the same sentence in any sort of comparison is funny in itself.”
Actually tells you everything you need to know about the “i believe in Arteta” crowd
The guy has amazing PR, PR that completely ignores how average he is in all key aspects of football management and overblows his so called generational coaching.
AFC –
We were told ad nauseam that Emery had a ‘top 4 quality squad’ and was a bum for finishing 5th in his first season. Fine, Emery was a bum.
How is it that 1.5 years later and improvements made to the squad, Arteta has us mid table? Couldn’t find any answers in that Klopp article.
Pointless wasting time on here, trying to put down an alternative opinion for discussion, if immaturity just means you are going to resort to childish insults. It’s not even good trolling.
“When you consider the fact that neither Wenger nor Emery could get a tune out of these players, something fans are fully aware of, then you have to recognise the rebuild will take time. ” We finished two points off third place and reached an EL final in Emery’s first season here. We went 22 games unbeaten and scored more league goals than Chelsea and Pochettino’s Spurs. The fact you think that does not equate to “getting a tune” out of the players but currently sitting in 11th place, having lost 11 games and scoring a measly 31 league goals… Read more »
RH: Ok, Arteta is new to management but it isn’t PR why we ‘the I believe in Arteta crowd (if you must)’ support him and present arguments, as AFCF and others have, for giving him more time; it is because we understand the clubs current reality. Emery was an experience manager on paper and what happened? We needed a different approach, a long term approach and I for one am ready to give the club and manager the time to see if it works.
“I for one am ready to give the club and manager the time to see if it works.”
To see of what works?
If he suddenly learns how to manage a football game without relying solely on individual moments of brilliance from kids?
or if Kroenke somehow hands him a war chest after he is done giving away all the players he met at the club and devaluing the rest to buy his way to success?
He certainly isn’t coaching his way to it that’s for sure, he is simply avoiding heavy defeats while hoping it is somehow termed progress
RH: To see if investing in a young unproven coach pays dividends. I’m sure you were calling for the ‘kids’ to be thrown in and see if it worked. Is that not the same principle we see the club adopting with Arteta?
I would much rather give him time and potentially achieve something great than take Spurs’ approach.
A lot of opinions on here are poorly formed agendas , I would as usual would wait until this season ends to take stock of Arteta as will the owners who havent given him an extension yet. If you look at Arteta’s achievment so far , 1st he has a trophy . 2nd he has made us defensively robust (although we are still prone to self destructing errors/mistakes) 3rd The league position might not be great but he has managed to clear out most of the overpaid dross on our books, one more window and he most likely would get… Read more »
andy1886February 24, 2021 13:48:47
AFCF – Comparing first seasons then:Klopp 8th to 4th.
Players in: 6 (Matip, Karius, Mane, Wijnaldum, Klavan, Manninger)
Players out: 16 (Benteke, Allen, Ibe + misc junior players)
Net spend: -£14.65m
Arteta 8th to ?
Players in: 13 (Partey, Mari, Cedric, Willian, Gabriel, Runarsson, plus misc junior players)
Players out: 12 (Marinez, Mkhitaryan, Mustafi, Sokratis, Ozil + misc minor players)
Net spend +£78m
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Great work Andy but you won’t convince anyone who says, or implies that 80 individual transfers were needed for Klopp to challenge for the title.
The Spurs approach was to appoint an experienced manager but one that is past his best days.
I don’t think any club would take the Spurs approach that seriously want to go places.
But a lot of these managerial appointments are like musical chairs.
Emiratesstroller
We won 2 League Cups under George Graham
Perfect Summation of the state of Arteta’s Arsenal team. https://www.football365.com/news/arsenal-gutless-joy-shows-mighty-have-fallen Joy at ‘gutless’ Arsenal ‘shows how the mighty have fallen’ Approving the Arsenal garbage I just read Dale May’s email in total amazement! I actually had the misfortune of watching the dirge that was Arsenal v Man City, and cannot quite believe anyone, Gooner or not, could’ve “liked” the Arsenal performance. I was so bored I cannot quite remember if they actually had a shot on target, or a shot at all! It was the most gutless performance by an Arsenal team, I’ve ever had the displeasure of witnessing. They… Read more »
Then we should all sojourn by foot to Rome and see if the holy father will help with some divine interface with the Divine entity
Globalgunner
According to the song, I think that’s something that the wanky tottenham hotspur need to do…
And this is what he said, “fuck off!
Who’s that team they call the Arsenal?
Who’s that team we all adore?
We’re the boys in red and white
And we’re fucking dynamite etc etc.
MD Gunner
“Spurs (post Mourinho)”
lol
The sad thing is the old past it has been Mourinho could still completely derail the young novice Arteta’s season in the Europa League somewhere down the line in that competition.
Ishola70: Yeah, I was creating a straw man. Experience is a route we could have gone but we tried that with Emery. On paper, Emery looked like a safe pair of hands but it didn’t work.
On that basis, I’m happy to give an alternative route, which Arteta represents, more time.
Cheney10
Emery was a safe pair of hands making top 10 with ease.
Cheney10
“which Arteta represents, more time.”
You can only give so much time though.
And that will probably be by the end of next season.
That he is an antidote to the long in the tooth Mourinho will matter not if ultimately both end in failure.
As I posted earlier in this thread screw the Points per Game indicator look at the last 5 games total points accumulation.
Arsenal is 1 point better then the two bottom table teams and are of worst than the 3 teams above them. Arsenal 4 from last 5 games But….
Ful = 8
New Castle = 6
BHA = 9
welcome to the garbage Arteta’s team is dishing out these days.
RH – Jamie – Herbs Army
I have not said this before to any poster on Le Grove.
Why do you claim allegedly to support the club? All I ever read with your posts is negatives.
You know with so called supporters like you who needs enemies!!!
Ishola70: My timeline was a little shorter in terms of wanting progress, as I suggested Christmas. However, Andy1886 offered a good breakdown of transfers between Klopp and Arteta earlier which got me looking at Klopp’s transfer business (AFCF’ also made great points about 80 players). Klopp took 4 (normal, non COVID) windows to build the vast majority of the team we see today. If we followed that model then the end of next season would be the time to judge him.
“I don’t believe any of you can really be that thick or naive so you are being disingenuous and playing with facts.” And in the same paragraph “Oh and don’t forget too that Klopp had the advantage of inheriting a Coutinho worth £140m to flog and help finance new recruits” AFC Andy has taken your posit and shredded it to tiny pieces. I don’t know what he does for a living but any trial lawyer would’ve been proud. The fact you can accuse other posters of being disingenuous while at the same time claiming Klopp inherited the Coutinho he sold… Read more »
Emiratesstroller
You need to go to counting school if you think Arsenal have won 25 trophies since George Graham.
I wouldn’t have called Arteta a greasy cunt.
He does come across as a used car salesman in those press conferences. He’s more of s smarmy prick
Lots of super fans strutting around these parts
Emiratestroller
“Why do you claim allegedly to support the club? All I ever read with your posts is negatives.”
You mean the same folks that had hope that the last manager could turn it around, while you wanted him sacked. Tables are now turned, they are now the enemies for not believing this bum of a manager.
Tom: I believe you are failing to take market forces into account in your assessment of AFCF’s comments. In the same time VVD went from a value of 13M to 75M. Now, I have no doubt coaching played a part in that improvement in the value of both players; however, the market played no small part too.
Emiratesstroller
Since the George Graham era Chelsea have won 21 trophies compared to Arsenal’s 17.
“Lots of super fans strutting around these parts“
As opposed to the relentless negativity you bring to these parts.
Gabriele Marcotti’s take on the MC game was spot on.
“MC crush Arsenal 1-0”.
Those that saw it differently are totally blind.
“Why do you claim allegedly to support the club? All I ever read with your posts is negatives”
I was born in central London, bought my first flat behind Holloway Road, been going to games since I was a kid.
Anyone who pays money out of their own pocket to support their club has the right to be critical, imo.
Emiratesstroller is a charlatan
Blackstock
As I posted Arsenal have won 25 trophies from 1988/9 under George Graham onwards.
I don’t need a counting lesson from you.
The trophies won are:
First/Premier Leagues 5
FA Cups 9
League Cups 1
Community Shield 9
UEFA Cup 1
Jamie
Everyone has the right to be critical periodically on a constructive basis. Unfortunately there
are people who post on here who have absolutely nothing positive to say and are habitually
belittling the club.
Chris
Do you still play that OT victory DVD on a loop? 🙂
Yippee! we won United at OT
If my “negativity” doesn’t suit you you can tune unto the sunshine AFC and his ilk are serving.
To each his own.
ES You put up false information, and just because you were corrected you want to go all defensive like a child. To know your club is to know where they’re from and what they represent. Arsenal had very humble beginnings, a munitions factory works team from Woolwich, South London. It would be fair to say nothing of note happened (except almost folding in the early 1900’s, Glasgow Rangers coming to Arsenal’s rescue buying a few shares). The Arsenal story only really took off from 1913, when Henry Norris moved the club across the river into North London. Norris made things… Read more »
Cheney10February 24, 2021 17:36:53
Tom: I believe you are failing to take market forces into account in your assessment of AFCF’s comments. In the same time VVD went from a value of 13M to 75M. Now, I have no doubt coaching played a part in that improvement in the value of both players; however, the market played no small part too.
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Coutinho goal/assists numbers in all competitions:
2014/15 – 8/6
2015/16 – 12/7
2016/17- 14/9
2017/18 – 21/15
2018/19 – 11/5
Dissenter
Still mocking a win for your own team I see, forgetting that the point I was making about that game sailed completely over your head.
If you posted something just once in a while that was remotely positive about Arsenal it would make a nice change from your normal interminable drivel.
The three seasons in the middle are under Klopp’s influence.
See a trend there?
“Unfortunately there are people who post on here who have absolutely nothing positive to say and are habitually belittling the club.”
I’m not one of them. I support my local club, literally. When it’s going well, I cheer. If it isn’t going well, I’m critical. Nothing controversial there.
Folk who stream illegally, don’t buy genuine merch for their kids or go to games have less right to be noisy.
Tom: Thanks for that, yes, he scored more goals/assists, which pushed his value. Barca bought Dembele the year before for 120M from Dortmund, which set a precedent. The market dictated the value for a player with those stats you document not just coaching.
Tom Funny how you, Receding Hairline and Jamie always appear at the same time. A simple Google search is all it takes. Andy did not shred my Klopp article at all, as you know. He made a fair assessment based on one season, not addressing the point of the article, which he later confirmed by agreeing it takes time. You are of course being dishonest because the article proved the point that it takes time to build a title-winning team. When Klopp arrived a major overhaul was needed. As is also required at Arsenal after years of mismanagement. Now, whoever… Read more »
Trophies won since 1987:
League Titles 5
FA Cups 9
League Cups 2
Cup Winners Cup 1
Total: 17
Herbs Army
Please ……
I have been going to Arsenal and Supporting the club since the mid 1950s and I have been watching them play good, bad and indifferent football.
My father was a supporter of Arsenal long before that and secured his season ticket through
Joe Mercer a good friend when he was captain of the club.
So my family have been watching and supporting Arsenal nearly 80 years.
I don’t need you to teach me how to suck eggs.
“Funny how you, Receding Hairline and Jamie always appear at the same time. A simple Google search is all it takes.”
This is quality reporting. Cracked the case wide open.
Too many attempts to put makeup on a pig going on here.
Also, it is okay to be discontent with the state of play at this club. We are languishing in 11th place having lost 11 games while only winning 10. We also have tricky fixtures ahead. We are on the cusp of March. This season is an abomination, and a large part of that is down to Arteta. He speaks “well” but it’s all smoke and mirrors. Probably can’t believe his luck that he can do his work experience at Arsenal with no expectations and has every excuse afforded to him. Our stock is completely diminished in football and a lot… Read more »
Chris You’re being a tad disingenuous You called me out for not fully supportive of the Odegaard loan. I’m indifferent to it. I explained to you that the 4-5 month month duration does not advance the cause of Arsenal in my opinion. Had it been a season long loan then it would make sense to me. I don’t think it’s okay to deny our academy product who is just at the cusp of breaking out game time so that a developing star from Madrid can knock the ball about for 4-5 months. There’s nothing remotely negative about that, unless your… Read more »
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Again with a defensive comment.
I didn’t ask you to justify or explain your reason for supporting Arsenal, you asked me and I told you. What is not to understand?
Yesterday a win against Benfica in the mid to latter stages of the EL was talked up as progress ontop of a victory against Leicester this week? Why are we going to beat Leicester? Because you can feel it in your gut? We’re predictable and not a hard side to prepare for and play against.
Emirates,
A significant part of the reason why folk on here appear to be hypercritical is that Pedro massively oversold Arteta as an inspirational managerial genius and frequently resorts to flimsy “arguments” he would have laughed at had they been made about Wenger or Emery.
That, he ain’t, for the many many reasons that have endlessly been rehashed on this comments board.
I do think though that Arteta is making (slow and halting) progress.
And if people / fans are frustrated and lash out, it doesn’t make them fair-weather fans or (to use a Pierrism) “entitled”.
Blackstock
You need to start learning to read and count
Arsenal won also a UEFA cup and also 9 Community Shields.
I know that people like yo discount the CS but most real supporters would include this trophy, because it is usually a game between League Champions and FA Cup Winners.
If you are a genuine supporter I suggest that you learn to act like one.