GLORIOUS FAILURE IS AN AFFRONT TO PROGRESSING STANDARDS

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Well, what an average week.

One bad decision snowballed into multiple.

The biggest problem this week was how we approached the Europa League. We went big, played a group that had been rinsed physically by the Leeds game, we didn’t win.

Then we headed into Sunday, we were forced to rest players, and our lack of depth couldn’t handle City’s quality.

We lost 1-0. That’s not bad against the best team in Europe, the problem was less about the result, it was more about the acceptance of a lesser defeat.

‘We didn’t get spanked as bad as we usually would have’ is a 2019 way to look at games. Yesterday, after going down in under 2 minutes again, we just seemed to land on the idea that losing by one goal would be acceptable.

That’s not cool.

We played our way back into the game after Sterling of all people headed in birthday boy Mahrez’s cross early on.

We were certainly asking questions of City, especially in the last 15 minutes. We were stretching their defence, we were pinning them back, we had some moments. The hope was that we might have a go in the second half.

We didn’t.

We played with fear. The whole game was predicated on caution. Odegaard rarely took a chance by turning into space. The Norwegian was not at the races, it was a timid showing from him, but again, maybe his fitness was running low after a few games in a row after very little before. Mo Elneny’s fear of vertical passing seemed to infect everyone’s confidence. Auba, clearly knackered, offered next to nothing going forward. His fake jumps for balls in the box were embarrassing. His body language was shocking at times. He offered nothing. Is it time to accept that he can’t handle three games in a week? Is it time to accept that in hardworking games like that, you need a different forward leading the line: Lacazette or Martinelli would have offered more.

Defensively, I kept on thinking, ‘wouldn’t it be nice to have ball players.’ Rob Holding was fairly decent, but he’s not really built to be spraying it around against City. Pablo Mari was supposed to be the artful of the two, he just kept passing it Holding. Hector Bellerin was deeply frustrating all day. His partnership with Pepe was horrendous, not helped by the wingers return to normal form. His first touch was horrible. His decision making wasn’t great. Then you had Tierney, not his best day out, but maybe City was too much to ask after 5 games out.

Let’s talk about Pepe. He’s just not the full ticket, is he? His runs were poor, his touch wasn’t great, his decision making was laughable… he looks like he should be a good player, I’m just not sure we’ll ever see it. I’d prefer to see Martinelli on the left and Saka coming in on the right

We also have to be very honest about this squad. It is very nothingy without Thomas Partey. You can’t expect to beat City with Mo Elneny playing next to Xhaka. It’s not the Egyptian’s fault, he’s a sound guy, no doubt, but he’s painfully limited in games that require accurate passing with an edge of boldness.

The Arteta system needs fast passing from the base and it needs someone leading the line that is fully fit. Auba couldn’t run the line, he hid from crosses, and he looked sad. Elneny is living the dream, he’s the African Carl Jenkinson, we need to move on from him.

We also need to find a strong narrative heading into the end of the season. At the moment, there’s nothing to hold onto as a fan. We’re 1 step forward, 2 back every other month. It’s exhausting. There’s progress, but it’s not wrapped in anything. Arteta keeps telling us what we already know. He needs to give us hope. He needs to show us he can give us a run or another trophy.

Ending Leicester City’s title run next week? Yes please.

Ending Jose Mourinho’s Spurs career? Double yes.

Winning the Europa League by putting Unai ‘Good Ebening’ Emery to the sword? Don’t say sexy things you don’t mean.

This season has been shit. Give us some f*cking joy. Put a run together.

Check out our On The Whistle Podcast. It’s with Matt and Johnny. It’s a good one. They are basically miserable af and I keep the positivity bubbling. I’m that guy now. Imagine?

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737 Responses to “GLORIOUS FAILURE IS AN AFFRONT TO PROGRESSING STANDARDS”

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  1. azed

    I think the ‘silly mistakes’ and ‘poor decisions’ that we can all point to are why some on here are optimistic about the future and why some see progress. It is fine margins that see us in 10th rather than 6th or 5th and within touching distance of top 4. Arteta sets the team up, he is not responsible for playing the through balls or for missing 6 years sitters (Auba).

    Chen
    If we go this route, very few managers will be sacked.

    Aubameyang scores a sitter against Brighton, we finish in top 4
    Aubameyang scores the penalty against Spurs we finish in top 4
    Xhaka doesn’t have a brain fart against Brighton, we finish in top 4.

    We have lost 11 games out of 25.
    We have lost more games than we have won.
    These are mid table stats.

  2. Cheney10

    Mark: I take your points onboard but their are critical points in games when players are the only ones that can make a difference. I used Saka and his inability to find Auba yesterday as an example earlier. There was the Auba’s six yard miss, there was Xhaka’s brainfart, Pepe’s brainfart against Leeds… How can Arteta legislate for this? I love Gabi but on his last start he was way short. Wilian hasn’t started a game since December and Cedric has been covering KT.
    Arteta sets the team up, he coaches and does have an impact but it’s in the ‘marginal gains’. Tuchel is getting a tune out of those players because they are good. How many of those players would get in our stating 11 and how many of ours in theirs? Our squad has us in 10th Chelsea’s has them chasing top 4.

  3. Goobergooner

    Considering there is more than one game a week I’m obviously doing better than you think 😂😂😂. Can’t even count. You must be a lawn mower or something that doesn’t require much thought.

  4. The Bard

    The point about Arteta is he is a rookie manager and is making mistakes along the way. We have to be patient and see whether he is a quick learner or not. When he was appointed we didn’t exactly have a tranche of top managers busting a gut to manage us. The big mistake the board made was not sacking Wenger much earlier we then would have had many more experienced options. We are paying the price for that indulgence.

  5. Cheney10

    Azed: Agreed. My point is the tactics got them there and put them in positions but players made the mistakes. Those mistakes are the difference makers between 10th and 6th for us this season and for the examples you have in previous.

  6. Mark

    @Cheney

    “Tuchel is getting a tune out of those players because they are good”

    If that statement is true then why couldn’t Frank ???

    You’ve kinda answered my question. The difference has to be the manager!

  7. Cheney10

    Mark: Earlier in the year, so was Frank. Also, look at the teams Chelsea have played recently. My point is our players/squad are/ is not strong enough and that’s not Arteta’s fault.

  8. Mark

    @Olis

    “Goober you’re Australian what do you know about being a fan of the Arsenal?”

    Wow, you really are a knuckle dragger aren’t you.

    Doesn’t matter if Goober is from Aus. Just as other Arsenal fans from around the world who post on here seem to have a greater knowledge and feel for the game than you.

    Such a sad little man you are. That you feel you have to attack anyone with s view that differs from yours. As Goober said you sound just like the type who gets mouthy when he’s got 6 mates behind him , as you square up to the guy and his girlfriend…

  9. Goobergooner

    Cheney it kinda is though.

    He didn’t sell players he has now loaned out to make funds available for the 2nd midfielder he wanted to bring in.

    And also spent a good deal of time trying to coerce Willian to join when we really didn’t need him. That money could have loaned a very good cam or another cm considering how poor our options are there and how stacked we are in the forward line.

  10. DivineSherlock

    Olis

    What a proper shithead you are , Goobergooner loves the club , what else is required to be a fan you muppet . Didnt have proper education did you ?

  11. Goobergooner

    But Cheney, I don’t lay the blame squarely on Arteta. Well in terms of squad building he has had the least say. It was all Wenger/gazidis/Raul prior to Arteta joining.

    Now it’s on him and edu. I think I trust edu more than Arteta.

  12. Winthorpe

    The state of some of you. Throwing your toys out of the pram after a 1-0 loss to the best team in Europe right now. You were all sharpening your knives beifre the game
    We all knew it was going to be a loss. Wouldnt matter if it was 5-4 to city you’d have bitched that the defence has gone backwards.
    I’ve actually switched off to most of it because it’s so pathetic and insincere and reeks of the anti arsenal agenda of the cunts (who call themselves fans) that this blog has become synonymous with.

  13. Goobergooner

    Also divine/mark
    Haha thanks fellas.
    I can’t help sometimes getting dragged into shit talk with olis and winthorpe with their ‘better than thou’ attitudes just because people don’t share the same opinion.

    We are all arsenal fans despite how we think the club would run the best or which players we like or which manager we think could do a job.

    So it’s just annoying reading that you’ve never played the game or you’re not a real fan shit.

    And this is an opinion blog after all.

  14. Goobergooner

    So what you’re saying is you have to be able to afford games and also live locally to be an arsenal fan. I’m sure the club would have totally different perspectives on that.

  15. Mark

    Cheney,
    I think it is Arteta’s fault for not using the resources at his disposal. Why was Luiz even playing, I’d prefer him to be back up only.

    Re Chelsea , agreed they haven’t had the toughest of runs, but there aren’t any easy games this year. It may be too early still but it does appear that he’s moving in the right direction.

    I’d preferred them to have kept Frank.😔

  16. Matt

    Notice how the ones blindly following Arteta are the first to chuck insults around. Like a bunch of intolerant lefties! Agree with us or else.

    Muppets.

  17. Winthorpe

    MattFebruary 22, 2021 15:13:39
    Notice how the ones blindly following Arteta are the first to chuck insults around. Like a bunch of intolerant lefties! Agree with us or else.Muppets.

    Chastises fans for throwing insults around whilst throwing insults around
    The epitome of self awareness here braking his 4th wall

  18. Mark

    Respect to Cheney,

    At least he can have his own opinions, explain his point of view, and still debate with others without, trying to belittle people who have different opinions.

  19. Cheney10

    Mark: Me too re Frank :-))

    I’d like Luiz to be back up too but we have had injuries. When we had that run of good games he wasn’t playing, and I don’t think he is first choice when everyone is fit. We have got into a conversation about players, and I’m almost sure we agree that this squad is not where it needs to be irrespective of the manager.

  20. Matt

    ‘Chastises fans for throwing insults around whilst throwing insults around
    The epitome of self awareness here braking his 4th wall’

    The irony wasn’t lost on me. Just couldn’t stop myself from calling you out for what you are. Slightly tamer than calling people Cunts or abusing someone for being Australian because they dare to have a different view.

  21. Pierre

    Seems like somebody has a short memory…

    MattFebruary 22, 2021 15:13:39
    Notice how the ones blindly following Arteta are the first to chuck insults around. Like a bunch of intolerant lefties! Agree with us or else.Muppets.

    MattFebruary 22, 2021 13:33:23
    Pierre, just fuck off you senile old twat.

  22. Cheney10

    Mark :-))) Even if he is wrong…. but this is why we love football; despite our slight difference of opinion, we want what is best for our club and that is what unites us as a community of Gooners.

  23. Pedro

    Mark, depressed? Yes. Do I think that loss has shaken the project? No way. We’ll be in good shape. I think we’ll beat Benfica and Leicester this week. Then I’ll be basking in glory again and you will bow down to me.

  24. Mark

    Cheney,
    Yeah the squad needs definite improvement. But as Goober said he kept players he could have sold and thereby improved us.

    I personally think Saliba should have been integrated this season, (we waited long enough FFS) He is the future and would have improved us IMO.
    These decisions are on him. We will see tho, as much as we all have our opinions, Arteta is his own man, and will do what he thinks is right. Of that I’m sure.

  25. Goobergooner

    Yeah but I’m one of millions of international fans who gives money in other ways and screen time to the club.

    So I don’t just ‘love’ the club. And I might not pay a season membership to them (aka investing as much as you), but I have hard earned money that I give up just to show myself im a fan. My missus and grandparents even buys me presents from the arsenal store.

    So the comparison between us is definitely there. Only difference is total outlay and location.

  26. Pierre

    Pedro
    Conned again..

    I thought you would have seen through it by now..

    The entitled ones despise any poster who tries to be positive about the club , and you fall through it every time.

    Windthorpe and AFC forever are the next targets..

  27. Cheney10

    Mark: We can pick decisions that we don’t agree with and Saliba is a lightning rod, as is Wilian; however, how much of an impact those decisions have had is, IMO, up for debate. Would a 19 year old CB improved us to the point where we were challenging? Top 6? Top 8?

    Arteta will live or die by those decisions but he needs the time. For me, if by November next year there isn’t a clear improvement then the arguments that keep me optimistic will no longer relevant, and I will join others in thinking it could be time for a change.

  28. Pierre

    Pedro
    “Matt, if you abuse Pierre or anyone like that, you’ll go in the bin as well.”

    Don’t worry about me pedro , water off a duck’s back to me….no need to bin anyone on my account.

  29. Anonymous Commentator

    winthorpe

    i would rather we lose 5-4 to city, it would mean we were a good goalscoring outfit that could be exceptionally dangerous on their day and city had to open the taps to get passed us.
    that’s a completely different kettle of fish to what actually happened.
    we didn’t threaten city in any real capacity despite some positive optics in bursts, none of our attempts made ederson do any actual work.
    we didn’t have a single shot on target in second half.
    if we scored 4? against the mighty city? and forced them to have to score 5 to win?
    oh that would be brilliant.
    i would probably be arteta in if he was able to get that type of a tune out of these players against city.
    he would undoubtedly be the one. have the special sauce.
    but instead he’s timid. he’s scared. he’s the new fresh faced junior and he doesn’t have the swagger to make big bro pep have a second think about making it a training match.

    if the final score was 5-4 there would be not a single complaint here.
    well, maybe someone would think we could have won the game or something, but it would be much more founded than what we were served up.
    heck even 5-2, if we were able to score 2? fantastic, we can work with that.
    at least we would have something going forward.
    the thing about goals in this game, is that they aren’t easy to get.
    you can defend and defend all you want but if the defense fails and the opposition scores one, will you be able to score a goal back on them? 2 goals to win if they score, mind you.
    we are seemingly not even dangerous enough to do that because city were just inviting us to score.

    yes there was a result against leeds, but it’s leeds, purposefully playing very open football, we were supposed to score lots of goals there and their keeper helped us along the way.
    they wanted to outscore us and couldn’t, but look at that they had an actual go of it regardless.
    when ever are we going to threaten to flip the script with this manager?
    you know what i expected yesterday if we were able to actually score a goal against city? they would run one back into our goal within 40 seconds, such was the extent to which they weren’t even bothered with having a real go of it after sterling came in with the header barely 2 minutes into the match.

    it’s soft cock the way arteta is approaching these games, and it will bite us when it matters most.
    we won’t be able to score when we need to because the players haven’t seen the ball go into the back of the net enough.
    we were never going to be a lockout defense, that requires far too much recruitment from where we’re starting.
    we however do have pieces to attack well and dangerously, yet the style of play is neutering that one positive of the squad.
    these things will matter when they truly matter to all parties involved.
    for me they matter right now, but after listening to the podcast from pedro it is not a concern of his, so i must assume it isn’t a concern of at least half the fanbase, so i can only wait for it to start to concern them too.

    how are we going to win games? this was a question i asked back in november/december, and it still stands now. our previous managers looked to outscore opposition to win games and that worked against most of the league because of the level of player we have in our club relative to the rest of the league.
    we don’t do that now.
    our defense isn’t trustworthy.
    how are we supposed to win games?
    you know, that goal yesterday, it would have been better had it been a screamer or some ridiculous one-touch passage of teamplay, but instead it was what it was and that we’re somehow supposed to trust the defense?
    it’s a fool’s errand that is.

  30. Thank you and goodnight

    11) We should probably say something more about Arsenal. It’s just quite hard to form an actual concrete opinion about them. For better or worse – and surely entirely unfairly, but it’s the impression one gets – they appear to be a side that football matches happen to. They don’t ever seem to dictate the terms. There is definitely a really good team in there somewhere, and a really good manager in Mikel Arteta, but they remain tantalisingly out of reach and still for the most part hypothetical. Even when they flew into a 4-0 lead against Leeds last week it seemed to be more a product of the chaos Marcelo Bielsa’s side bring to bear on every game than anything Arsenal did. Again: not fair, but it’s how it looks. Then, having got into a commanding lead without appearing quite sure how and why, they then didn’t really know best how to go about defending it. I dunno. They’re hard to pin down at the moment. They’re neither obviously bad nor obviously good, yet saying they’re an average side doesn’t feel quite right either even though the league table makes a pretty compelling case.

  31. Goobergooner

    Hmm I must have typed a banned word😂
    was just saying that it’s ironic that old mate was telling me I dont have a real job, when next Monday I start a new job so this week I’m taking ‘sick’ days as I hate my current boss and haven’t taken any for 2 years 😂😂
    So I’ll be sleeping in and watching the EL from bed for a change.

    So Pedro I’ll be taking some of your optimism into this week for sure.

  32. Mark

    Pedro

    “Benfica and Leicester this week. Then I’ll be basking in glory again and you will bow down to me.”
    😂😂😂

    Pedro you crack me up.

    If we start winning and Arteta changes his ways I would gladly eat humble pie. He gets on well with some of the players and the turmoil of sacking him isn’t lost on me.

    I just can’t see it happening ( him changing his personality that is) even if we beat Benfica , I can’t see us winning it or getting to the final.

    It’s the personality non negotiables that do it for me. I’m just disappointed he’s not what I hoped he’d be. (No doubt you are a bit too)

    No-one blames you for Arteta ( alright you did sell him to us, but I was a willing purchaser. His young age, everyone said how smart he was, lived football. Etc. It seemed like a chance worth taking.

    However it seems he’s lacking in know how in dealing with confident personalities or whatever it is. Is doggedly stubborn and cannot handle being challenged. Which is fine if you’re successful inspite of this.

    I haven’t made a U turn on Arteta, I was willing for him to have a go. He’s not what I hoped for. I think we need to start thinking damage limitation.

    Bring in Rangnick or Overmars. Mikel gets to stay but based on results not emotion. If new D F not happy he goes. That’s the way forward for me.

  33. Winthorpe

    So predictable. It’s not about supporting arsenal. It’s just a popularity contest really. Someone who suits your ideals. I mean if emery is really the man you want, playing the sort of football he brought, to manage arsenal then it says more about you. Personally I think we’ve played better stuff in the last 6 weeks than at any time during emery’s reign. He buried the football arsenal was famous for in favour of his robotic, boring, functional over style shite

  34. Pierre

    AC
    I am sort of with you there about giving it a go .

    What i think windthorpe means is that if we did give it a go and lost 5-4 , the very same posters who are complaining about Arteta not giving it go will complain about Arteta giving it a go and conceding 5 ..

    Let’s take our 6-3 defeat to city….we gave it a good go, missed loads of chances(giroud), a couple of very dodgy offsides against us , a blatant handball , we played some real quality football that day but lost 6-3.

    WENGER WAS SLAUGHTERED ON HERE FOR THAT RESULT .

    And that is why Arteta can’t win either way wwith some fans.

  35. Guvnor

    Please stop saying fans need “ to be patient” and to trust the process. Arsenal fans have waited 17 years since we last won the Premier League. This is a huge amount of patience from a supposedly elite club. And what ‘process ‘ is there? I can’t see any…we play dreary one dimensional football, rarely take shots on goal and fail to use the wings. It’s boring. It’s predictable it’s miserable.

    The low expectations of how fan base are too now blame for the mediocrity on display. We moved stadiums all those years ago to “compete with Bayern and Madrid,” but we are now competing with the likes of West Ham, wolves etc. ( West Ham are now 4th with Moyes)

    We’ve lost the most amount of games since 83, no longer competing in the league for a champions league or Euro Cup spot. We are just existing.

    The mentality of this club has been toxic for years. The players have a soft mentality and this reflects in the performances week in week out.

    Arteta was the wrong appointment. The jobs too big for him. If we fail against Benfica then in my opinion this is a complete failure of a season and a sackable offense.

    Enough is enough. Huge changes need to happen starting with the manager and then the board and owners.

  36. Pedro

    Pierre, I banned someone that is racist and spiteful.

    Mark, you see arsenal through your disdain for Arteta… which is up to you. It’ll come good for him, then you’ll be choking on humble pie and I will not give you a glass of water.

    Pierre, back to football, what did you make of the muted Odegaard performance?

  37. Thank you and goodnight

    Odegaard was muted because we barely used him. All we want to do is bang the ball down the channels then cross ball into our strikers who are about as good in the air as a brick. He could be the closest thing to DB10KINGDENNIS that we’ve had in a long time, if we use him correctly

  38. Goobergooner

    Look winthorpe.

    I get what you mean.

    Arteta has had us playing some pretty fluid attacking football.

    But no one wanted or despite their jest in saying it, wants Emery back; or for that matter actually enjoyed Emery’s style of play.

    The only comparison to be made is that one got 5th and should have got 4th with 10 losses in a season. The other has us 10th with more losses than wins.

    It’s not about either manager. It’s about how the club is actually doing in its search for glory.
    I’d say not great at this current time.

  39. Pedro

    Also Pierre, totally agree on that point.

    If we’d chased the game and lost 3-0, the narrative would have been about not learning from the last run out.

    For me, he should have been more aggressive with his subs, maybe he knew City a little too well.

    Arteta needs to kick it up a gear for Leicester this weekend. Much more winnable.

  40. Thank you and goodnight

    @Guvnor

    Spot on. Be patient my arse. 20 years competing in CL yet reaching the final only once. 17 years since we last won EPL, worse than that is that Tottenham look more likely to win it than we will anytime soon. But yeah let’s be patient

  41. Goobergooner

    I supported Emery, not because I thought he was the right hire, but because he was the arsenal manager. And I was fucking excited about the club taking a new direction after a long Wenger reign.

    I also support Arteta on game day as I’d like the club to win every game.

    But in my opinion I just don’t understand how the club hired either of these blokes as manager considering a lot of things. And I just think Arteta is too out of his depth for the proper rebuild that should have started with a more appropriate hire than Emery.

  42. Anonymous Commentator

    pierre

    i get your point about that 6-3.

    but look back, our prospects were better that season as we were a truly dangerous side for the rest of the table.
    that was city, we were able to score 3 goals against their half a billion pound defense.
    that’s a lot more promising than being given free reign on providing attacking highlights for the match and not being able to score at all or provide highlights that the talking heads on tv consider worth having a look at.

    our danger factor is gone under arteta. the way city approached yesterday’s game either proves that, or that arteta and pep had a gentleman’s agreement to keep it respectable so that arteta didn’t get embarrassed and potentially lose his job as the optics became untenable.

    mind you where did we finish that season we lost 6-3 to city? much better than our finish will be this season i guarantee it.
    there was a boon to us being so dangerous on attack that city had to take full advantage of our defense to secure wins.
    pep would never approach that arsenal side that lost 6-3 the same way he approached yesterdays game with the handbrake firmly on after 15 minutes.

  43. Winthorpe

    nonymous CommentatorFebruary 22, 2021 15:44:59
    winthorpe i would rather we lose 5-4 to city, it would mean we were a good goalscoring outfit that could be exceptionally dangerous on their day and city had to open the taps to get passed us.
    that’s a completely different kettle of fish to what actually happened.

    Ac
    So Wenger’s arsenal scoring 3 at the etihad with only the usual shit officiating giving city hooky goals and ruling out legit goals from us and penalty claims is commendable then? Glad we are on the same page lad

  44. Sid

    “If we’d chased the game and lost 3-0, the narrative would have been about not learning from the last run out.”

    Its clear Diet pep and his fanboys have the same thought process.
    Who is to say we wouldnt have lost 3-2 or drawn 1-1

  45. AFC Forever

    I thought Odegaard suffered at times from not receiving the ball in good positions. That will come but Elneny just isn’t that dominate midfield player like Partey. You have to remember, he’s another one catching up with the pace of the PL and finding his feet in the team and players becoming familiar with each other. it takes time, on the training field mostly but with the frequency of games that’s not always possible. I personally think we are asking a lot of players after beasting them on a Thursday with all the travel and lack of recovery time to start pressing and trying to run City. You end up chasing the ball around when you play them it’s what they do, so being just 5% off makes a difference. Start pressing too hard and fast and the drop off will result in goals flying in. Ultimately, the Man City game meant nothing, nobody on here thought we would win and as well as being better than us they were fresher. Perhaps a bit more rotation after Benfica was needed but how much difference would that have made?

  46. Winthorpe

    Thank you and goodnightFebruary 22, 2021 16:02:57
    @GuvnorSpot on. Be patient my arse. 20 years competing in CL yet reaching the final only once. 17 years since we last won EPL, worse than that is that Tottenham look more likely to win it than we will anytime soon. But yeah let’s be patient

    Tyag
    Yeah
    Which also coincided with the greatest domestic era since the 1930s
    Wasn’t it awful? Shock horror

  47. Pierre

    Pedro
    Odegaard played with no ambition , safety first and wasn’t prepared to take risks with the ball….a difficult for him to express himself though. .

    To beat city’s press you need a smith rowe or grealish type player who will take the ball on the half turn and commit players….Odegaard didn’t attempt that.

    I’m hoping taking smith rowe out of the CAM position is not permanent as i think we lose the link up play between saka and smith rowe which is vital for our creativity .

  48. Jamie

    Aubergine banned for the 21st time.

    What a degenerate. He’ll be back with a new name and his trusty VPN in no time.

    Shamelessly desperate to be the centre of [negative] attention. Bamford style.

  49. Mark

    ” Mark, you see arsenal through your disdain for Arteta… which is up to you. It’ll come good for him, then you’ll be choking on humble pie ”

    Wow,
    You still just think it’s my disdain for him??

    Pedro I gave Arteta the same chance I gave Emery, I let there performances decide. With Arteta I have even more concerns cos of how he’s treated our players, and his poor game management (set up/Subs)
    Not giving Emi the shirt he’d earned. Screwing over Saliba, poor handling of Balogun, Martinelli , ‘Williamgate’ etc etc

    Yet you still just say it’s cos I don’t like Arteta???
    What about the reasons for me not liking him, are they not valid?

  50. Nelson

    Pedro

    Last game, the setup didn’t suit Odegaard at all. He was operating among Bellerin, Elneny, Pepe and Auba. Bellerin had a bad game. Elneny passed only sideways and backward. Auba and Pepe are lone goer. Ødegaard should play better when supported by Partey, Saka, ESR and Laca.

  51. Pedro

    Guvnor, not sure anyone cares about your own personal wait. It doesn’t change the reality.

    The club was run into the ground under Wenger.
    Emery and Raul combined to botch the rebirth
    Arteta was brought in on a longterm project and it takes longer than a year to turn things around

    All this against the backdrop of a global pandemic, very little money, with no preseason.

    Unless your impatience can conjure 300m, it doesn’t matter.

  52. Guns of SF

    Pierre

    I agree with you, Ode is not built for a physical high intensity type match like yesterday. ESR all day for me.

    ESR is the stronger player and of course has the experience factor too with Saka etc.
    Why he did not start is baffling….

    Anyhow, my gut is telling me that Ode is not what we need long term.

    Fella is like Pepe, extremely left footed. At one sequence just inside the box, he had to use his right but only stuck with his left and did not see the option open on his right side…. frustrating to see professional attacking players limited like this

  53. Mark

    Pedro,

    Thing is I’m not as invested in Arteta as you are. If he did turn it all round I’d be well happy.

    However if he doesn’t, don’t worry I’d still give you water. Mind you you’d probably need something a bit stronger.😀

  54. Receding Hairline

    “Arteta needs to kick it up a gear for Leicester this weekend. Much more winnable.”

    Same was said for about 4-5 of our 11 loses this season but let’s keep pretending we have only lost games against the cream of the crop

  55. AFC Forever

    Anonymous

    Wengers football at times was fantastic. I love that fast, attacking play but……

    If we had gone out to try to score three against City we would have been given a good hiding. I understand your sentiment but it is naive beyond belief to expose the team like that. We conceded three attempts on goal, that was all, if we had gone on the attack it would have been a lot higher. It was that attitude that resulted in that horrible 8-2 loss to Man Utd, Wenger knew he had players missing after midweek excursions but instead of being conservative, he tried to do what you want to do, outplay a much better team.

    Please do not tell me this blog would have been happy with a 6-3 defeat, they arent happy when we win!

  56. Pedro

    Pierre, I’d have Odegaard on the right.

    Wonder if that game would have been better with a Martinelli or Lacazette starting as well.

    Mark, there might have been some mistakes in the last year on certain players. There always will be. But Arsenal was a shit hole when Arteta arrived. There will always be collateral damage.

    Jose Mourinho has been brutal to Bale and Alli
    Tuchel has been at Chelsea 6 minutes and he double subbed CHO, which is shocking

    Emi? We have Leno, who is elite
    Saliba? He needed the loan, as we’ve seen
    Martinelli? He signed a 5 year deal
    Balogun? Not sure how you put contracts on Arteta, unless you think threatening to leave should get you minutes or that we should pay 60k a week

    Expecting Arteta to get everything correct is on you really. To whinge about things that don’t matter is your disdain coming through.

  57. Pierre

    AC
    “mind you where did we finish that season we lost 6-3 to city? much better than our finish will be this season i guarantee ”

    Exactly..

    What the club needs is a manager who is 50% Arteta and 50% Wenger , then we get the best of both worlds…

    Open , expansive football with a disciplined midfield and defence .

    There are many things i have disliked about Arteta but if he can move the percentage line from where we are now , which is about 75%/25% closer to 50/50 then i believe we can compete next season.

  58. SpanishDave

    We are going backwards much faster than we think.
    All we have is excuses foe each result.
    All teams get back luck and good breaks which over time generally even out.
    We do not have the right squad or the right manager so this is now our level.
    The owners and directors are in a stupor hoping for the impossible, that is european qualification.
    Arteta has spent good money on Willian and it has not worked , this is him being green at the job.
    So now we have yet another useless player taking up good funds that could have brought an experienced seasoned pro .
    Auba is done as well he just doesn’t fit into modern ,fast quick interchange football, occasionally he will bag a few goals but now that isn’t enough.
    Arteta seems to dispel young players unless he is forced to use them, this will mean that they will leave the club this summer.
    Like Clovis we need to shake our selves out of this slumber

  59. Anonymous Commentator

    winthorpe

    So Wenger’s arsenal scoring 3 at the etihad with only the usual shit officiating giving city hooky goals and ruling out legit goals from us and penalty claims is commendable then? Glad we are on the same page lad

    i’ll give it to wenger, that was a feat.
    if the manager makes us dangerous enough that city cannot take us lightly then i will be satisfied.
    i have never seen city ever call it a days work at 1-0 against us, why was that? because we were going to break them down at some point. we had the ability to do that.

    now we can’t, but the attacking players are seemingly better.
    i mean come on walcott is scoring 2 goals against city in that game.
    walcott? theodore?
    we have Saka now. this is minimum twice the player walcott was. we should never be so timid as to just allow city to be comfortable with a goal. what madness did i witness.

  60. Matt

    Pedro

    ‘Matt, if you abuse Pierre or anyone like that, you’ll go in the bin as well.’

    Fair enough, but accusing people of being plastic fans is OK?

  61. Receding Hairline

    “Arteta was brought in on a longterm project and it takes longer than a year to turn things around”

    Very true but the belief you must go backwards to go forward is just fanciful

    Our underlying stats are no better than that of all the traditional midtable teams around us, Arteta is not getting 70% out of our present squad, if he was we would not be 10th and nervous about a game against a below par Benfica.

    Arteta has not even used the element of surprise, the fact he is an unknown and no one quite knows what to expect from him, his stats in the league since he was appointed is mediocre at best , He has managed 45 premier league matches winning only 19 and losing 16, that’s not the stat of one of the best managers in the world according to Pablo Mari, no one is sitting up to take notice of stats like that no matter how you try and explain it away with small margins.

  62. Nelson

    Ode has a much better vision than Pepe. Once Pepe had the ball and was pressed, he could only see opponents. He’ll try to beat the opponent(s) and shoot. Ode can find his teammates even in tight area.

  63. Pierre

    “Aubergine banned for the 21st time.What a degenerate. He’ll be back with a new name and his trusty VPN in no time.Shamelessly desperate to be the centre of [negative] attention. Bamford style.”

    Excellent content jamie, as per usual , now try talking about football for once in your life.

  64. Pedro

    Guns, considering where we’ve been as a club… I’m not sure 6-3 would have been good for the project.

    Let’s be honest here, it’d be carnage here. Glorious failure with big scorelines wasn’t received well with Wenger, it shouldn’t be received well under Arteta.

  65. Matt

    Pedro, agreed. I just find it hard to stomach the likes of Pierre and his passive aggressive comments to then always be playing the victim.

    Back to football. Arteta out! : )

  66. Receding Hairline

    “There are many things i have disliked about Arteta but if he can move the percentage line from where we are now , which is about 75%/25% closer to 50/50 then i believe we can compete next season.”

    Except we are neither a defensively solid team nor an attacking one

    In those 45 games he has overseen we have scored 63 goals, not shameful but not great and we have conceded 47 goals so not exactly tight at the back, whenever he tries to get the balance right the whole defensive solidity facade collapses like a house of cards.

    And yesterday he was shouting the players through every play. where to pass, where to stand etc , That’s just not on for Professional football at any level

  67. Guns of SF

    Pierre

    We need Mike A to get us back to what we are known for, attacking, creating and playing breath taking football.

    I find it interesting, as a player who played with the likes of Ronaldinho, under Wenger, and even coached along with Pep that he takes a very rigid approach to coaching and management. I think we are seeing more of his own personality in the team, just think of him as a player- nothing special, simple passes, keep things moving, etc.

    He knows what creative attacking is. He chooses not to set us up in this way under his philosophy for some reason.

    I said it last night, barring injuries he would probable be still playing Willian and his vet faves.

    Even Ode seems to be a “safe” player in my estimation. Keep things moving.

    Gone are the creative mids we used to have in abundance…. Now it’s Saka and ESR but we have a weapon on the bench that he also refuses to use.

  68. Pierre

    Pedro
    “Odegaard on the right”

    In my opinion,the only way to get saka , Odegaard and smith rowe on the pitch together without losing their effectiveness is to let them alternate/ interchange during a game.

    They are all intelligent players who can play either wing or as a CAM.

    Against benfica there was no interchanging of positions during the game, if nothing else it will keep the opposition on their toes.

  69. Pedro

    Anonymous Commentator, not sure our stunted attacking game against City is one to judge by.

    We’re creating lots of high-quality chances and we’re working the ball into the right spaces. Goals will come. The performances have been very much there since Chelsea.

    Put it this way, I’d rather be where we are now… creating not scoring… then where we were… creating very little, but scoring off outrageous clinicality (new word)

    The result was bad yesterday, but limiting City to 3 shots on target, in their best ever form, shows how far we’ve come.

  70. Receding Hairline

    “Guns, considering where we’ve been as a club… I’m not sure 6-3 would have been good for the project.Let’s be honest here, it’d be carnage here. Glorious failure with big scorelines wasn’t received well with Wenger, it shouldn’t be received well under Arteta.”

    Doesn’t explain shot on target for a team in the middle of exciting progress. We accepted the 1 nil defeat the minute the second half started, not exciting or progressive about that and i wonder how that was what the “project” needed

  71. Winthorpe

    Thank you and goodnightFebruary 22, 2021 16:25:48
    @RecedingArteta is fucking clueless. I had a shit this morning that could do a better job than Arteta, and my shit talks less shit than Arteta

    🤦🏻‍♂️
    This is the level of content you’re expected to debate. Jesus. It’s base level nonsense. No insight. Just childish rubbish.

  72. Receding Hairline

    “The result was bad yesterday, but limiting City to 3 shots on target, in their best ever form, shows how far we’ve come.”

    In the middle of this best ever form Man City played Brighton and Sheffield United at the Etihad, they won both games by a single goal, having six and five shots on target respectively. Both teams only had a solitary shot on target each too.

    Guess both teams have also come just as far as we have, nice company we are keeping

  73. Guvnor

    All this against the backdrop of a global pandemic, very little money, with no preseason.

    @pedro – the pandemic has effected every team not just arsenal. And ‘little money’ shall we talk about the £100m war chest Arteta has been given by the board, more than any other manager. We are the second highest spending club on transfers in the last two years in the world.

    Imagine where we’d have been had Wenger or Emery been given the financial backing and players that Arteta has at his disposal now since coming onboard.

    My reference to waiting 17 years since our last title win isn’t just a personal one it’s shared by every arsenal fan. I was highlighting the unacceptable length of time not to win a title by an elite club. Loser mentality has infected this fan base. We are The Arsenal. One of the top teams in England with a history of winning and you’d think, a certain level of high standards to meet. But since we moved from Highbury we have become Arsenal PLC anf and a financial asset to an owner who cares very little for football or silver wear.

    Excuse after excuse for the pathetic state of this football club. I’m sick

  74. Pierre

    Receding
    “Except we are neither a defensively solid team nor an attacking one”

    I disagree , i think generally we are defensively solid as or goals against record this season proves.

    It’s a matter of finding the balance now, having partey and tierney available will make a massive difference next season .

  75. Guns of SF

    Yes Pedro, he is a safe player in our set up.
    We do not have the horses like Madrid or even where he did his loan ( Sociedad?)
    Can you tell me he is better than Fabregas, TR7 or even Nasri? Not even close.
    Even Hleb would have dribbled through the City players.

    We need that type of player again, Not afraid to take on the defense and break through the low block. Saka is really the only one we have.

    And no La Liga is not like EPL…. we are on another level.

  76. Nelson

    “And yesterday he was shouting the players through every play.”

    While I saw Pep was relaxing in the stand with a smile. What a difference between the master and the student.

  77. Receding Hairline

    “I disagree , i think generally we are defensively solid as or goals against record this season proves.”

    Defensively solid teams don’t lose 11 league games by February Pierre

    We have conceded 26 league goals, its not really that meagre a number going by the seasons stats from other teams, Aston Villa have also conceded 26 league games. Disastrous Spurs have let in 27, Chelsea 25 . Brighton who are looking over their shoulder 30.

    The number isn’t really that impressive considering the style of attacking football we play against any team with a hint of firepower, we have scored one more league goal than Brighton

  78. Pedro

    Guns, Szoboslazi’s weakness is not being good under pressure, and losing the ball in dangerous places. Not sure that’s what this side needed.

    An exciting player, no doubt, but we needed efficiency in the final third and a killer ball. Real Madrid’s youngest ever player was a good place to go.

  79. Thank you and goodnight

    @ Pierre
    Rubbish we’re defensively solid. If some of the teams we’ve played against had taken one of their many chances created against us , our defence wouldn’t have the stats it has. Leeds alone created 4 or 5 clear goal scoring opportunities. Sorry we still look fucking shakey when being attacked.

  80. andy1886

    Hard to believe I know, but there is a middle ground between going all out bat shit crazy and losing 6-3 and turning tortoise and being lucky to get nil as they say in a 1-0 loss. Most dissapointingly we lacked belief which is worrying.

    Odegaard has been thrown in the deep end. Ideally he’d be eased in but with less than six months to impress and given our options that can’t happen. One reason I don’t really like short term loans.

  81. Guns of SF

    Speak for yourself Jim. Fact is that we do not have a player in the mold.
    We have another lightweight from La Liga, who is supposed to kick us up a notch or 2.
    I have seen nothing so far of Ode that is noteworthy. Im not expecting an assist a game or goals galore, but we need creativity, which he has brought into give, but layed a big egg..

    Thank God its a loan but would not surprise me if we bought him, as Madrid seems to be offering us discounted players lately

  82. Pedro

    Oh my word Thank you and goodnight.

    How about… If Auba had taken some of his chances we’d be fighting top 4 right now?

  83. Jim Lahey

    Regarding Odegaard, you can already see that he is a step above nearly everyone else in the squad. His close control and vision are unmatched at Arsenal. Definitely what we have been missing.

    One thing I have noticed is that he gets himself into some very good positions and other players seem not not give him the ball. Happened a few times first half vs City.

  84. Pedro

    Guns, such a weak opinion to call Odegaard a safe player. You are watching a different game to every other fan. One of the most creative players in La Liga and you think he was a bad move and we should have reached into the Austrian league.

  85. AFC Forever

    TYAG

    “Arteta is fucking clueless. I had a shit this morning that could do a better job than Arteta, and my shit talks less shit than Arteta”

    First-class football analysis to support the Arteta Out ‘movement’.

  86. Jim Lahey

    “We have another lightweight from La Liga, who is supposed to kick us up a notch or 2.
    I have seen nothing so far of Ode that is noteworthy.”

    He has what, maybe two hours of football under his belt? Christ almighty….

  87. Globalgunner

    Whatever the future holds , we need to get rid of Xhaka as a constant in our midfield 80% of the time when a teammate passes to him. He passes the ball right back. Its as if he is simply ben on keeping up his high passing accuracy stats. Without a doubt the worst midfielder in the EPl. except when Eric Dier plays there

  88. Guns of SF

    Yes Pedro,

    Scolobaszi or however the F you spell it.

    A player in that mold, dont care where they came from.

    You yourself have alluded to the superior scouting that the Dortmunds, Red Bulls, Leipzigs etc have compared to us. They are developing world class all the time.

    Whatever, we do not have DS so it does not matter now.

    Point was that we needed someone better than what we have now. Some will say its too early to judge Ode, and I do hope he steps it up, but one shot on target is not acceptable to me at home, no less.

    We are better than that.

    We need to stop being so fearful and say fuck it, Im going to blitzkreig the opponent.

    Just look at Leeds, when we took the 3 nil lead, you know they kicked it up a few levels, and make it interesting towards the end, we seemed to be playing at the same pace even as we chased the game.

    I also think Mike got the lineups totally wrong, which of course does not help.

  89. TheBayingMob

    “Why can’t you give it a rest for 5 minutes and wait to see where we are at the end of the season because Arteta is going nowhere this season.”

    To some degree because you’re exactly the fan who kept passionately asking that Wenger be given more and more and more time. Judge him in May. Ten years of that led us into a hole we are still struggling to get out of. Everyone talks about time, he needs time – what is this time? How much exactly does he need? Are we showing the right progression to grant him that time? The argument can’t be too far the other way, there needs to be accountability, that has been a commodity in short supply at Arsenal over the years.

  90. AFC Forever

    No Odegaard is not a safe passer that is nonsense.

    Many in Spain argued that Martin Odegaard was possibly the best player in La Liga 2019/20. Data gathered from Wyscout during his loan spell in San Sebastian and analyzed by DatoBHJ revealed that Odegaard, alongside Lionel Messi, was the La Liga leader in “creative passes” for players who had played 900+ minutes in La Liga. His numbers 2019/20 were compared across all Europe’s top five leagues, and placed him in the top 2% with Messi, Neymar, and De Bruyne. It was this that pressured Zidane to bring him back, not least his performance against Real Madrid in which he ran the game.

  91. Pedro

    Guns, I’d say you’ll end up with egg on your face… but it’s already there mate. Terrible take. I don’t think there’s a player in Europe at his age, more suited to our situation. A top-notch signing that we’ll hopefully sign permanently this summer.

  92. Receding Hairline

    Odegaard is a loan signing from a club who we also have another player on loan from, a player who has not exactly performed consistently. This is his fourth loan spell away from Madrid, i don’t rate him as highly as some of you do, he is still young and with good coaching can improve.

    Good coaching of course is not something many can confidently say happens at Arsenal, and yes the reports “sources” have been great but do you honestly see the results on the pitch come gameday?

  93. Matt

    Whilst all this talk about patience and brewing is happening, I bet that the sales of Arsenal kids replica kits is dwindling all the time. You understand the correlation hopefully…

  94. Pedro

    Matt, I work in advertising. I know the calculations that are made with sponsorships. Adidas were desperate for the Arsenal deal. Absolute facts that they are outselling Puma.

  95. Matt

    TYAG

    I know. My youngest is 4 and he goes to little kickers. Never see any other kids wearing Arsenal kits. I feel bad for making him wear it to be honest,,,

  96. Pierre

    Blackstock
    “The Gunners have now conceded in the opening 15 minutes on each of Manchester City’s last six visits to the Emirates.”

    That’s consistency.

  97. Leftside

    Thats my problem with the result yesterday. How many times have City scored early and then not been troubled for the rest of the game against us? They are better than we are, no doubt but it is grating to keep giving up goals to them to silly mistakes.

    I still haven’t been told why we took off Elneny for Ceballos either? Thats a sub to run down the clock when you have a favourable result. We didn’t.

    We have to be careful because expectations and standards at this great football club are becoming dangerously low.

  98. Pedro

    Matt, Adidas have a much bigger retail footprint. They are far, far bigger when it comes to streetwear culture. They are more tied to Arsenal. People like the designs more. There is no doubt. They do very well out of Arsenal because we are a massive club.

  99. Kroenkephobe

    GLORIOUS FAILURE IS AN AFFRONT TO PROGRESSING STANDARDS

    The title of this piece reads like something from the Chinese Daily News from the early 70s. Possibly about a 3.1% drop in pig iron manufacturing output in Szechuan Province. Expect a 5 minute show trial followed by summary executions in Mao Square. A suitable metaphor for Arsenal and Le Grove.

    This has been an awful, joyless season and I’m expecting very little in the remaining months bar the odd success. Can we at least beat Sp*urs which during the many barren seasons in the past was one glimmer of hope. I’d like that to happen in the PL and, if there’s a series of miracles, in the EL too.

    Benfica first though – team selection extra critical, as will be starting the game in a strong decisive fashion. That means no Bellerin, no Elneny, and Auba on the bench. Let’s be charitable and assume tets has a plan based on what he saw last week.

  100. Pedro

    Thank you and goodnight, I think it’s odd that you think it’s child cruelty to ask a child to wear a kit of a team that’s not doing well. Isn’t that part of being a supporter? Doesn’t that teach kids something about loyalty?