Detailing the complicated mess Arteta is struggling to escape

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I’d love to be able to feed you some snippets that the problems we’re facing are about to be tackled like Granit spying a speed demon on the halfway line, but the noise is pretty miserable across the board. The mess you see on the pitch is reflective of a young ‘manager’ that is struggling to control the mess he’s made and a club that doesn’t know how to leash him.

I see a lot of ‘WHAT HAS HE DONE’, and sure, we’re all pissed, so say what you like. But the reality is he did do quite a lot of good in his first 6 months.

  • He picked up a dead cat in a relegation fight
  • He made us tough to beat
  • He breathed energy into a very stale setup
  • He attempted to implement a culture based on merit, not reputation or tenure

The first half season saw wins against the top 6, a big improvement in our defence, and a level of fight we’ve not really seen over the last 5 years. Off the ball movement improved dramatically. We also won an FA Cup.

So what went wrong? Arteta saw an opening for a power grab and he took it. He was given a promotion he wasn’t qualified for. Arsenal gave him powers he wasn’t ready to yield. He used those very badly.

Things have gone downhill very rapidly since then and it’s hard to separate the manager from the mess.

He went to the board and asked for deals for:

  • David Luiz: £160k p/w
  • Auba: £250k p/w
  • Willian: £250k p/w
  • Soares: £60k

He opted to keep Granit Xhaka in the summer because he thought he’d rehabilitated him. £90k p/w

He decided the best move wasn’t just to bench Mesut ‘the Tweet troll’ Ozil, it was to kick him out of the squad, despite having no creativity in the starting 11. £350k p/w

That’s £60.3m worth of wages currently offering next to fuck all to the project.

He spent 3 months watching William Saliba in training, then decided not to give him a place in the squad… he didn’t even exit him on a loan deal so he could work on his game. Quite a shocking way to treat a £30m asset. If Arteta thinks he’s shit, put him out on loan to Germany and get one of their big clubs to pick him up. If Edu thought he was so far down the pecking order he’d not be good enough to make the Europa League squad, why is he here festering and bitching on Instagram?

Everything I’ve head about Matteo leads me to believe that he should have been binned, but look, he’s in Germany as a ‘punishment’ and could land us a £25m fee in the summer if he carries on scoring screamers.

The reason I mention these two different problems is because they speak to why Arteta the ‘manager’ has been such a huge fucking disappointment.

We hired one of the best young coaches in the Premier League. That’s not in doubt. My view when he was hired was that he’d be used as a palette cleanser for a club that has been lost for years. He’d come in, bin the senior players that don’t give a fuck, and he’d move Arsenal towards a new vision that made us a destination for the best young players in the world.

He was sold as a coach. A change maker. The person who was going to modernise Arsenal and put some pride on the badge. Someone who could sniff out bullshit because he’d worked with the best in the game.

When Julian Nagelsmann, the best young coach in the world, lost in the semi-final of the CL last season, he said ‘There’s a certain profile of player I’d like at RB, but the boss says no.’  That is how you deal with a manager full of ego when he comes to you and lobbies for Willian. You tell him to get the fuck out and come back when he has a good idea. You explain that old players deteriorate rapidly, and worse, they just don’t give a shit. Add to that, when said older players are your peers, they are unlikely to care for your coaching. They don’t need to learn anything because they’ve done it all before with bigger names.

So what did Arsenal do? They bought into the fantasy of short term fixes… again. Arteta wanted to shortcut back to the top. He thought he’d assemble a bunch of journeymen for one last ride, win his trophies, and move onto the next shiny object. Mikel, a man who is a football obsessive that rain man’s post-its all over his walls, didn’t realise his masterplan was the one Wenger and Emery had tried.

A group of football leaders paid about £8m between them sat in a room and agreed that this shocking plan was the way forward. They all looked at Willian, a 32-year-old, and thought not only that he was good enough for Arsenal, they thought he was so good they doubled his salary to come to Arsenal, and they’d give him one more year than Chelsea were offering.  On the salary, the player had already told the press he wanted to stay in London. There was no competition for his signature, Spurs certainly weren’t able to offer that money. He had no leverage. How does that happen? Can someone please explain how you sign off on madness like that? Jokes that Edu is now pushing the London based ‘hit the ground running’ star as a name that needs time to settle.

Think on David Luiz. He gave away how many penalties last season? How many unforced errors of his led to goals? We play at Manchester City, he’s benched, he’s sulking, we call on him and he drops a disaster class, a penalty and a red card… proving yet again, he’s a mentally weak joke and should be exited.

What did Vinai, Edu and Arteta decide that week? To reward that fragility and inconsistency with another new deal. That, after his agent piped up about Arsenal in the press. What were they all thinking? They weren’t and we didn’t have a Ralph Rangnick or a Luis Campos to tell them all to fuck off.

Arteta is a coach until he’s earned his stripes. His main skill and the reason we hired him was his Manchester City IP and great rep in the game for being very good on the training ground. The job he should be doing right now is transitioning Arsenal to the best place for young players to build careers in the world.

Good leadership wouldn’t be talking about a 3 point plan for success with Henry Winter. It’d be getting Arsenal and Arteta back to basics. It’d be sitting him down in an office and explaining the magnitude of this fucking disaster he’s overseeing.

Here’s the problem, the true solution to this mess does not align with what is needed right now… results. It also doesn’t marry well with a manager that seems to have a bit of an ego problem.

The true solution: We should pivot away from senior players that don’t care.

The reality: Moving to a kids-only strategy might not win us many of our next 5 games.

Additionally, how will the owners and the board look at a move like that. Their young manager they thought was a visionary convinced them to commit to £60m p/a worth of investment that has regressed us to our worst start in 30 years.

We are boxed into a corner. The only way out is to win. That might mean moving to more of a hybridised model while he sorts things out.

Long-term, if he does get out of this mess, he’s going to have to go and tell the board he sinned. He is going to have to hold his hands up that he made a huge, huge fuck up and hope they forgive the largesse. He is going to have to stop being mates with players that let him down and sell them this January. It’s soooooo awkward.

Then there needs to be strong leadership. We need to get back to a strategy that suits the state of the club and where it is at right now. We have to do things the hard way and move forward in a responsible way. No more naive mistakes. Bin the super agents. Start building processes that make sense. Create a strict profile of the sort of players we target and make sure we stop signing players over the age of 26 years old. Start planning 3 windows ahead. Get our contracts into shape. Don’t give another player a £250k a week deal for the next 5 years. Loan out young players if you don’t rate them. Become a selling club until you have enough success to become a buying club.

Most managers in Mikel’s form would be calling their lawyer right now to arrange a severance deal. Vinai should recognise that and not let a good crisis go to waste. Use the moment to take back control, use it to assess whether we have the right staffing across the club. Are the experienced coaches right? Is the Technical Director delivering value? Where can we start upgrading the process? Don’t take the word of Arteta that what’s going on at the club is great, do the dirty work yourself. Talk to people. Probe for the truth. Try and sniff out patterns. If there are bad eggs, get rid, and upgrade. Don’t leave it to Arteta, he’s already shown his hand hiring in a bunch of yes men. A good leadership structure would put people in place that would challenge him and soften out his inexperience. I’m not sure we’re getting that right now.

I don’t know where this ends. I don’t know how low this goes. All I can tell you is this is as bad as it looks and there isn’t a clear way back to normality any time soon.

Plenty of it can be put on Arteta, but sadly, there is a lot more wrong with Arsenal than just him.

P.S. Now listen to The Arsenal Opinion. I bring together Janan and Matt for the first one. It’s a good one. Therapeutic listening.

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Kaz

This is what I don’t understand.

If we’re losing points the way we are but the performances are good, we’re creating chances, we’re defending strongly and the team look like a high functioning unit then I’d still support the process.

But we are playing shit, we can’t break down teams or counter attack, we treat other teams with so much respect we’ve regressed our mentality even more doing the most bafflingly stupid tactics consistently and people still support the process.

Da fuck?

Swkmoon

Only 6 points behind Chelsea if we win tomorrow!! C’mon u Gunners!!

Swkmoon

Chin up everyone!

MilanoGooner

Moyes’ team might overtake Chelsea in the standings tomorrow.. Crazy times indeed

Ishola70

Wolves had a good defensive record overall just recently and apart from a couple of away drubbings 4-0 including at Liverpool they overall are a good defensive side. But you don’t see them having nine players defending on the edge of their own penalty area and completely abandoning their midfield. Pedro’s guests today got it badly wrong. The problems for this side is still that we don’t engage central midfield enough. It’s not that we have abandoned basic tactics. But they would rather continue to abandon central midfield because we got a couple of victories with it in the FA… Read more »

MidwestGun

Midwest — did you watch the game last night?
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HI Alex.. Unfortunately no.. I heard it was really good though. I might have to find a replay to watch.

Kaz

Newcastle are ahead of us ffs. Do you not understand how embarrassing this is??

Have you lost all pride?

IQ

Lets be frank. (Its an expression Marc, My name is not Frank) the process was a joke the moment a club the size of Arsenal took a punt on a coach with zero experience. The problem now is with no money and no clue in the executive team how to dig yourself out of the hole?

Kaz

IQ

They have money, they just don’t want to spend it.

Why do you think sticking with the bad appointment makes more sense? Neil Warnock would have us playing better mate.

Marc

Kim Dumb Pedro’s Head of Intelligence is called Frank – the mask is slipping.

Dissenter

Marc
You need to start collecting rent on Pedro’s occupancy of you head. Don’t let him stay rent-free.

Dissenter

This is just a ploy by Arteta to humble gooners.
He wants you all to understand the pains of being bottom dwellers. It’s to prepare us for the future.

MidwestGun

The unfortunate thing about Chelski losing two in a row.. is my Chelski loving brother texted me a top of the table text last week. And I’m really in zero position to banter back. Even though I probably will anyhow.

Ishola70

We need to get in another quality midfielder to go along with Partey as well as dumping Arteta.

Arteta’s claim to fame so far is winning an FA Cup with heavy underdog football and competely abandoning a main area of the pitch the central midfield. As saucy as a Happy Shopper ketchup.

The rest from him is just under par.

Receding Hairline

Every team in the league besides the dead Sheffield are managing to win a game once in a while.

IQ do you expect a win tomorrow?

IQ

If Warnock’s willing to sign you can fire Arteta. I don’t want Bould in charge of any games, I’ve already seen that movie, its shit.

You guys hate the manager who screwed us for 9 months. I’m more bothered about Xhaka and Bellerin who have been screwing us for years. Honestly, I want to punch myself in the face every time I see those two on the team sheet and there are people on this site who actually think they contribute because they made a single tackle or managed to pass a ball in a game, once.

Receding Hairline

Ishola that’s what some don’t get, no one is saying our players are mint.

We need better players especially in midfield, That doesn’t take away the fact Arteta is average at best and his vision of football is bland and dull.

Ishola70

This fanbase is hilarious.

They continue to believe that Arteta is good enough to lead this club.

IQ

RH, No.

alex cutter

” I might have to find a replay to watch.”

I’ll catch shit for saying it, but there were more action and drama than in the entire PL this season.

Don’t know if it’s worth your time to watch the whole thing, since you already know the result? NFL Network will likely be replaying it soon if you’ve got a dvr. Their site (or ESPN) may have extended highlights.

Paulinho

We were without Bellerin for nearly a year and were certifiably wank for most of it. Where was this big upgrade in the right-back position during that blissful period because I didn’t see it.

MidwestGun

Alex-‘
Yep that’s what I heard…. I get NFL network, Ill watch it from there. I heard about the drama.. but still worth watching ,I think. I had a family thing and was like .. hell it’s only Cleveland so I missed out.

IQ

Paulinho, we don’t have a decent right back because people think Bellerin is good. If we ever actually get a decent one you will notice the difference. I think Soares would be better if he was given a run of games. Not Arsenal standard but much better than Bellerin.

Major_Jeneral

Pierre Thanks for the observation regarding the formation use at the start of Arteta’s tenure. We clearly need a protection at the back if we need to more forward swiftly. And I favour the 3-5-2 because just like you said we not always outnumbered in midfield. The only way we can play with a 3-4-3 or the the current formation is if we have the calibre of Partey in Midfield (at the moment he is injured). Concerning Manager change, I agree with IQ there. Unless the Kroenkes’ and VV have a replacement lined up with financial and structural backings, we… Read more »

Kaz

IQ

Oh no, we hate Xhaka here. HATE. The big Xhaka fans have gone a little AWOL from this blog recently.

Marc

Dissenter

Mate if I can’t give Pedro grief who can I give grief to?

It is also interesting that every time this happens recently a new name pops up who is either supporting Arteta or diverting blame elsewhere.

Marc

” we don’t have a decent right back ”

Then why did we turn down a bid over £20 million in the summer for AMN?

Swkmoon

Wanting Warnock is very very excitable indeed!

Dissenter

Paulinho
Do you think Bellerin is good at defending, which is the primary role of a right back.
I ask because you seem to gloss over this while praising him for his attacking contributions.

I prefer full backs who can play else where on the defensive line, not converted wingers who are wank at defending. Nacho Monreal was an example – he attacked as good as Bellerin but could play as center back if push came to shove.

Ishola70

Major Jeneral

“And I favour the 3-5-2 because just like you said we not always outnumbered in midfield”

We abandon central midfield whether we play three at the back in a 3-5-2 or if we don’t.

Did you not see the FA Cup wins? No central midfield. We were simply getting players back deep defending to go along with the back three.

It’s basic underdog football , heavy underdog football and people think it’s great.

Paulinho

IQ – Cedric has a better technique than Bellerin and can actually wrap his foot around the ball to cross but will not offer half the off the ball threat or movement to get in behind. In the Europa league Cedric got taken off and within a few minutes Bellers made a run in behind to square for Auba to finish. He’s in another league in that respect.

Get the midfield sorted and then look to bring in a Lauren style right back is comfortable on the ball.

alex cutter

MG — The amount of drama in the NFL this year (Brady’s move, Cam Newton, Aaron Rodgers resurgence, Browns’ rise, Raven’s fall, Mahomes, etc.), along with the Arsenal shitstorm/general malaise of European football, has me paying more attention this year.

Dissenter

Marc
Of Pedro has other aliases and alters on legrove. He’s admitted it once.
He is everywhere at all times.

Major_Jeneral

Last season after Emery was sacked without a plan on the way forward, Freddie who was the caretaker in charge complained bitterly that he didn’t have the required support to steer the ship.

We cannot afford to do that this time around especially with the unpredictability of the league.

IQ

Marc, when he did that I was actually happy because I thought he would replace Bellerin at right back. I mean why else would you keep him right? I didn’t know that Bellerin was actually Arteta’s illegitimate son and one of the non-negotiables.

AMN might become a decent right back but that can only happen if he’s given the chance to play. He’s very good one on one which I think is a requirement for any fullback.

Ishola70

Quantum Leap

“Do they get a trophy?”

They might win an FA Cup.

Then they can pretend they are a top team.

Receding Hairline

New buzz words

Process

Cultural change

Fine margins

Quantum leap is choosing to ignore the fact we have gone hours of premier league football without a goal from open play, or the fact before the Burnley game we only had 2 shots on target for four consecutive league games.

Dissenter

Bellerin is a casualty of Arsenal’s piss poor transfer policy
He never got a chance to grow into whatever he was supposed to be. We’ve never given him proper competition or used an open competitive format to drive him on. Wenger never gave Mathieu Debuchy a chance, same way Arteta is ignoring Soares.

Who knows how good Bellerin could have been.

Paulinho

Dissenter – Monreal was brilliant. Agree we could upgrade but I’m referring to those who think we have better at the club.

No defender looks great when they spend most their time running back towards their own goal because of woeful lack of quality higher up the pitch leading to endless counters after giving the ball away.

alex cutter

“Of Pedro has other aliases and alters on legrove. He’s admitted it once.”

Not trying to be argumentative, but are you sure about this? He’s aware that having burner account(s) would really stain his credibility.

Swkmoon

Please don’t diss the F.A Cup. Love that trophy.

MidwestGun

MG — The amount of drama in the NFL this year (Brady’s move, Cam Newton, Aaron Rodgers resurgence, Browns’ rise, Raven’s fall, Mahomes, etc.), along with the Arsenal shitstorm/general malaise of European football, has me paying more attention this year.
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I watch here and there. Normally, with the fans the PL is much better as far as drama and entertainment. But I agree with Covid and general shitness. .. of Arsenal.. The NFL has had some interest and drama..

Marc

IQ

Well it might be difficult for AMN to get time at RB if he’s our new CM saviour.

Far too many excuses on here and trying to deflect from Arteta’s shortcomings – that’s not directed at you Malcolm sorry I mean Frank no Pedro hang on it’s IQ!

IQ

RH, would you take an interim manager (Bould or Per) over Arteta at this point? I guess that’s the question now. I think we would all take Allegri or Poch but that isn’t on the table. Paulinho, I am with Dissenter on my choice of right back. First and foremost for me a right back has to be able to defend. Attacking flair is icing on the cake because if all I cared about was attacking then I may as well just play a winger at right back. I would prefer Nelson as right back than Bellerin. They’re both useless… Read more »

Ishola70

Swkmoon
“Please don’t diss the F.A Cup. Love that trophy.”

Of course and you love it even more because that’s the only level of cup Arsenal have been capable of winning for years and years.

Marc

alex

Yeah I’ve caught him and he’s admitted it as well as admitting posting under regular poster’s names as well.

Pierre

Bellerin reminds me of Ramsey when he was at Arsenal in that he is continuously out of position..

It’s probably as much as the Managers fault as the players, as i presume they have obviously been instructed to bomb forward at every opportunity without a 2nd thought for the space they are leaving behind…

Graham62

Sorry but Bellerin is substandard.

We should be able to do so much better.

I’ve been saying the same thing, about so many players, for at least 12 years.

Kaz

QuantomLeap sounds like a Pedro alt

Major_Jeneral

Ishola70 “Did you not see the FA Cup wins? No central midfield. We were simply getting players back deep defending to go along with the back three.” Yh i get it, no one said it was great but it worked for a while considering arsenal were leaking in goals and conceding a lot more shots on goal(case in point The Watford game away last season.) As you mentioned, there was still a lot of defending to do as evident in the FA Cup win. On the other with a keeper that can start a quick counter attack and is comfortable… Read more »

alex cutter

“But I agree with Covid and general shitness. .. of Arsenal.. ”

It’s frustrating that like in 2016 the title is up for grabs and we’re nowhere to be found.

Receding Hairline

RH, would you take an interim manager (Bould or Per) over Arteta at this point?

Yes interim, club legend, well respected. What do you have against Bould as interim? What exactly is it about Arteta that has Arsenal fans behaving like groupies?

alex cutter

thx

Swkmoon

Ish. No it’s more to do with falling in love with Arsenal when we won the double in 71. I was 5. Loved that kit. Loved Charlie George…

Dissenter

Steve Bould is a good choice as care taker
He’s as Mr. Arsenal as it gets and won’t try to stay beyond the summer. He’s worked with the players before so won’t need to re-invent the wheel.
We can get a bounce off Bould.

We shouldn’t rush the choice of permanent manager imo.

Pierre

Swkmoon
“Please don’t diss the F.A Cup. Love that trophy”

Afraid you’re on the wrong blog mate if you want the dopes on here to respect the greatest domestic cup competition in the world

Kaz

Because QuantomLeap we’ve played a third of the season and we are below a team that has an absolutely dire squad, with a notoriously tight CEO who really doesn’t spend money and an only slightly better manager than ours.

The fact they are ahead of us and worse, deserve to be is a huge indictment on the staggering shit that is our manager you have fallen in love with.

IQ

RH, I love him as a player but he was bad as a manager same as Ljungberg. Both legends but we know they can’t cut it as managers. Having said that I’m not strongly opposed, just thinking of not making a bad situation worse.

Calypso

The monkey is the manager

Pierre

“It’s frustrating that like in 2016 the title is up for grabs and we’re nowhere to be found.”

True

Ishola70

Swkmoon
“No it’s more to do with falling in love with Arsenal when we won the double in 71. I was 5. Loved that kit. Loved Charlie George…”

Well that’s fair enough.

That’s when the FA Cup was a truly special cup.

Paulinho

Pierre – It’s called risk/reward. I know you think every player should rigidly stick to a script but in the real world top teams. have players that actually make forward runs if they see opportunity. The space they leave behind them is irrelevant unless the worst case scenario happens more than the best case.

Kegunner

Know it’s fun and all but the boys should have extra training sessions than take time off for this https://youtu.be/nIF-WrwHuZ0

Ustyno

Words that has been associated with us in the last 6 months:
Non-negotiables
Process
Fine margin
Culture
Professional
Unacceptable
Etc you may add yours

Pierre

Dissenter
“Steve Bould is a good choice as care taker ”

Loved Bould as a player , but i can’t see him creating a lot of excitement in our football, can you ?

Roy

This whole rhetoric of “Fans need to stick to Arteta” is ludicrously hypocritical.
Why ?
Why does he need fan support ? Let him do his stuff like he does. Has he ever heeded to any of fan’s demands?

Graham62

Have WBA just equalised?

1-1 at the Etihad.

Major_Jeneral

Mancity 1 v Westbrom 1.
Westbrom Equalize via a deflection coming off Dias. Indeed you engineer your own luck if make the required effort.
Can arsenal do same tmrw?

Nelson

Laca and Auba just don’t shoot enough. Just looks at WBA’a goal. As the saying goes: If you don’t shoot, you’ll miss the shot 100%. Many thing could happen if you shoot.

Roy

Arteta has four options now.
1. Turn it around in his predictive way(either the current way or the old 3-5-2)
2. Listen to people, cut his ego, and breed in youngsters, which may not give instant results
3. Become pundit (ala Gary Neville)
4. Become a coach in other clubs with with a standard of the player he was.

Marc

“Isn’t it about you recalibrated you’re expectation?”

Not sure anyone’s signing up for a relegation battle.

Calypso

Man City lost 9 games last season and Chelsea lost 12 games.so was it really such a big deal Arsenal beating those out of form sides in the Cup.

Ishola70

Quantam

“Isn’t it about you recalibrated you’re expectation?”

What avoiding relegation?

Midtable at best?

That’s all it’s going to be with this rookie pretender leading the club.

Receding Hairline

“Didn’t we score against wolves from open play 2 games ago?”

No we didn’t

Learn the rules of the sport you follow

“Rh arteta wants it Bould doesn’t.”

I want it too, can I have it despite the obvious fact I am unqualified for it? So you think wanting to be a manager is enough?

Pierre

Paulinho
“. The space they leave behind them is irrelevant unless the worst case scenario happens more than the best case.”

Bellerin is often seen desperately trying to regain his position , which is not a good look for a defender.

I can understand him being so advanced in a wing back system but not a back 4….too risky.

Receding Hairline

“Ishola remember you follow the arsenal not Real Madrid,, Barca, Bayern or PSG where the title is the expectation. As it stands we’re a good cup side and have been for nearly 10 years now. Isn’t it about you recalibrated you’re expectation?”

You have no shame sir so I will cease responding to you.

Ishola70

Roy

Arteta should still be in a position like he was at Man City.

Like a Mike Phelan to an Alex Ferguson.

That Arsenal propelled him to being the lead man at the club on the playing side is absolutely laughable.

People keep saying how shit this club is off the field with their decisions but at the same time think they have hit a winner with Arteta.

Do the law of averages.

Pierre

RH
Actually our goal v wolves was from open play as we took a short corner and then a couple of passes later Willian crossed the ball. for gabriel to score..

Still sounds better ( or worse) to say that we havent scored from open play for about 220 hours

Paulinho

“Bellerin is often seen desperately trying to regain his position , which is not a good look for a defender.”

Yep, because play breaks down in and around him (and sometimes because of him)and teams counter us. If we improve the quality in advanced areas and keep teams penned in we won’t see Bellerin constantly trying to regain his position; he will stay high and create havoc (like did when he won a penalty at Old Trafford for example).

Ishola70

Pierre

The goal was reminiscent of a setplay against Wolves the way it was executed.

Another question would be when was the last time Arsenal scored a free flowing goal.

Kaz

QuantomLeap How are you being rational, what evidence do you see that suggests Arteta will get this squad performing? Show me. The evidence I have seen shows a clear stagnation and decline in mentality, confidence and playing style. So how are we going to suddenly get these goals that we need to win matches Quantom? Will they just fall out of Xhakas ass? Why do you think Aston Villa were relegated? They were severely mismanaged and were hamstrung by severe bad decisions. It is staggeringly arrogant to assume we are too big to fall. We are playing like relegation candidates… Read more »

Ishola70

lol being snobby about being in the lower depths of the EPL just above the relegation zone.

Yeah that’s pure snobbery that.

Calypso

Southampton at home was Emery’s last premier league game before he was sacked, hopefully the same thing happens to this fool .

Receding Hairline

All this nonsense would have made a tiny bit of sense if we have progressed from when Arteta took over, we have regressed and are worse than when he took over.

Receding Hairline

We scored from the second phase of a set piece, a corner. That wasn’t an open play goal.

Kaz

Quantomleap

Like I said. Arrogant.

Fortunately, if things continue, Arteta will be sacked and we shouldn’t end up at the bottom of the table by the end of the season.

Kaz

Quantom

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012%E2%80%9313_Queens_Park_Rangers_F.C._season#Players

This QPR squad got relegated, look at their players. Way too good to go down, but down they went.

Ernest Reed

For a club always known to have a very nice home kit, West Brom now have two of the ugliest 2nd and 3rd kits in modern times. Oh but to be colour blind!

Ishola70

Quantumleap
“you’re snobby about winning trophies don’t dress it up as anything else, at least own it.”

I can perfectly own that the FA Cup is a secondary trophy now to the real top teams in comparison to when another poster on here said he fell in love with it in the early 70s.

That’s reality.

Snowkid

The culture of getting embarrassed by the likes of burnley because our manager is shit

MidwestGun

For a club always known to have a very nice home kit, West Brom now have two of the ugliest 2nd and 3rd kits in modern times.
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They have another kit worse then this? whoaaa.

Ishola70

There will always be enablers. Always.

Even when the club plummets to these depths.

Always enablers.

MidwestGun

I just noticed this match is sponsored by Jack Daniel’s. I can respect that. Jack Daniels… would explain the kit.

Anonymous Commentator

I’m amazed he still has the job.

Receding Hairline

“We’ve been in the top flight 100 year and are 12 games into the season.”

Bet you are one of those that celebrated Arteta rescuing us from relegation last season despite the fact we were 8th when he took over and finished the season in 8th place

Go on educate me about phases of play you shameless enabler

Snowkid

Arteta will never manage a top club after this fiasco

Hes been found out.

Kaz

QuantumLeap

Go look at those players. Actually look at that team they assembled, that team was good enough to be pushing close to Europa League qualifiers. Not going straight down as relegation fodder.

You seem more into denial of our current predicament then showing rationality.

Again, how do you think the goals and wins will come from under Arteta? I asked you and you were unable to answer.

I’m not dealing in extremes, you said we were too good to go down, I showed you a good squad that went down. What I did was counter your point with ease.

Anonymous Commentator

It was fun competing with Bayern guys.
Will never happen again.

Snowkid

Bayern?

We cant compete with Burnley under arteta

Bertfish

Fuck this, we would be better off replacing Arteta & Edu with Beavis & Butthead!