VOTE VOTE VOTE whilst reading ‘FANS NEED TO DEAL WITH THE PAST’

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Two days on and the warm glow of a much-needed victory away at United is still very much… well, warm.

In a sign of how ridiculous fan rage has become, we’re currently celebrating a manager everyone was doubting last week as the second coming, while United fans are all correctly suspecting Poch was on Monday Night Football to catch the eye of the United board of directors. The big flirt.

The Premier League is by far the most brutal league in the world. No one is given time to succeed, every club is getting better, decisions are made faster than ever before because there’s so much more pressure to survive/succeed.

This makes me angry… OGS does NOT deserve the bad words.

Give this honest broker MORE time, not less.

I personally think 6 more years would give us more clarity on whether it’s the players that are the problem or his infallible coaching.

It’s the players imo. Has someone like Roy Keane explained to them they are weak bitches? Has Rio shown them what the badge means? Can you really trust a ‘lazy’ midfielder like Paul Pogba who has only won pony trophies like the World Cup?

#SaveOle

Jokes aside, we do need to start to settle into some truths as Arsenal fans. Firstly, there will be bumps in the road as we progress through the season. We will lose games, the manager will make bad decisions, sometimes that exact line-up you think is right might not be picked. That doesn’t mean we should doubt the process. This season is about chasing top 4. Just because we’re not in it right now, doesn’t mean we won’t be towards the end of the season.

Currently, we’re 3 points from 2nd. We have played 4 from the top 6. We have the best defence in the league. That is progress. Even if we’d lost yesterday… we’d still have been in the mix for top 4.

Arsenal fans need to deal with their past. Arsene has gone, he’s flogging books these days. Our manager is not Unai Emery (happy birthday, bro). He can’t hurt you with his white witch now. Arsenal is now a safe space where you can dream. We are not going backwards, the path forwards is clear. The identity is obvious, if not slightly unexpected (did not expect Simeone-Lite out here). The culture is changing game by game. I think it’s quite interesting that professionals tend to really like what is going on at Arsenal because they understand where we were (limp damp handshakes) and can see where we’re heading (strong over-the-top-I-am-dating-your-daughter-handshake). Tim Cahill launched a blistering attack on the embarrassingly dated Roy Keane on this theme.

‘Winning games of football is the key but also understanding when you lose and why you have lost is just as important. Players react to managers that have clear structure and direction.’

Roy Keane looks at our losses as an abject failure, whereas I think most Arsenal fans – though pissed – understand the limitations of the squad and why those losses were happening. It wasn’t a motivation issue, it wasn’t a player leadership problem, and it wasn’t an inherent fault with the system if you believe that we’re playing this way out of necessity. We are a fine margins side this season, that is how we’ll play and it won’t change until we have the players to play like the greats of attacking football.

We should settle into a mindset that reflects our reality instead of breaking cries of ‘ARTETA PLAYS BLAND BECAUSE HIS FAVE EMOJI IS A CRAB’ or ‘TOO NEGATIVE FUCK THE HANDBRAKE’ or my new fave ‘WE MISS GIROUD.’ It’ll make the season much easier to deal with if we can all just calm down and go for a walk.

Part of the drama, I think, is the theatre of the internet. Everyone wants to be the first person to call something. Just look at how many people said ‘I’ve literally been calling Mo Elneny the Egyptian Zidane since he was at FC Basel.’ An example of how this fan drama plays out happened on this blog, people were telling me I had a right to gloat… erm, people, we just beat United… we ALL have the right to gloat. You can’t gloat at your own fans after a massive win. If your willingness to support our success is more wrapped up in your personal fights with internet people, versus, you know, just being fucking happy… then I’d suggest you stop making friends with strangers on forums and ask a friend to intervene (unless the forum is Le Grove then it’s totes fine). Same is true of the weirdos that visit here as a first port of call after we lose. Wtf is wrong with you?

Back to the football.

Outside of the Fulham opener, our run has been pretty brutal, where teams like Spurs have had a pretty favourable run. All that will shift at some point, and they’ll start playing beastly games, and we’ll start an easier run.

That’s not happening for a bit. We have to beat an Aston Villa (h) side that is having a great season, then we have to tackle Bielsa’s Leeds (a) after the break, before facing Wolves (h), followed by Spurs (a). We’re not going for the league title this season (sorry), we just need to consistently rack up points, bed in our new players, and push the process along. I’d rather this season be a steady slog of points than the boom and bust madness we’ll no doubt see elsewhere.

If we head into January within spitting distance of top 4, maybe the club will unlock some funds for a creator, even if it’s just a sharp loan deal. I have my doubts though, I think the exec team is wishing next June comes along fast so they can release big names on big money and start to savage that wage bill, but you never know how Stan is feeling these days. We have £650k a week that’ll leave the wage bill next year!

That’s a long way off, in the meantime, let’s make sure we keep things focused on not going too mental when things inevitably don’t go our way this season. There will be ups and downs, but the journey is mapped, and we certainly won’t be needing to shift on our manager anytime soon… so less of the doom.

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Guns of SF

Marc- Senators are elected. thought you knew that. 🙂

Marc

SF

OK but on what basis?

Dissenter

Rich
“I want Trump to win, because I also believe in the nation state, I despise globalism, open borders are basket case, and I’d rather Trump stand up to China than Biden”

Yea….by having foreign bank accounts hidden from his own country.
By paying more taxes to China than he pays the country he is leading?.

Trump has you fooled. He is a globalist.

MidwestGun

The electoral college is fine and set up to do exactly what it is doing which is making every state relevant.. We do not need big Cities deciding the elections.. NYC and LA do not represent the views of the middle of the country. The founding fathers were very smart in the way they did it. Do you think candidates would even bother to go to states like Iowa and Nebraska and Missouri and Wisconsin if they didn’t have to? If it’s a good candidate they will win the electoral college .. it’s that simple. Don’t blame the system for… Read more »

Graham62

Buzzy

Trump is not a “serial winner”

What he is, is a serial bully. Always has been, always will be.

When he plays, he plays to win at all costs even if it means going against the moral and ethical principles of competing.

Trump doesn’t understand fair play.

He has never fought a fair fight in his life.

It’s in his blood.

Guns of SF

Marc I know where you are going with this. The issue is that you need some bi partisan support to get this passed. Reppubs will never push for eliminating the EC. It will come from the Dems and that additional 16% needed will be all republicans, which of course will never agree to this. ( assuming the senate is dem controlled)

Simple as that.

I for one, would love to see 66 Dem senators -I do not think the Senate has ever had a majority with 66% of one party ever.

Guns of SF

Mid

Do you think candidates would even bother to go to states like Iowa and Nebraska and Missouri and Wisconsin if they didn’t have to?

I think that if this was based on a popular vote, to win candidates would need to go all over the place to campaign and win voters does not matter about big cities. Small and middle america has more voters than the big cities numbers wise anyhow.

MidwestGun

I think that if this was based on a popular vote, to win candidates would need to go all over the place to campaign and win voters does not matter about big cities.
_______
And you would be wrong.. Thy would got about 6 cities and call it a day.

Rich

Pedro If you’re going to preach the reliability of the New York Times as evidence? Then there’s really no hope for you. It’s turned into the American equivalent of the Guardian. FoxNews did run the Hunter Biden laptop stories, at length. Can’t say I was convinced. The Trump tax return stories and Chinese bank account were stories from anonymous sources, and if they were legit? Which no one really knows Then they were illegally obtained, you can choose to believe they’re true? But you don’t know for sure And they were allowed to run with the story The reason Twitter… Read more »

Guns of SF

And you would be wrong.. Thy would got about 6 cities and call it a day.

And you are assuming all votes in the big cities will go to one candidate?

MidwestGun

And you are assuming all votes in the big cities will go to one candidate?
____’

Not assuming they do.

Graham62

Rich

“I want Trump to win”

Good for you👏👎

Tom

Don’t waste your time on Rich, he’s too far gone.

CaliGooner

Buzzy

Trump went bankrupt in the casino business.

A business where people give you their money he went bankrupt.

A winner he is not. Con man.

Dissenter

Tom
“Don’t waste your time on Rich, he’s too far gone.”

His football analysis is very left leaning though.

Dissenter

Caligooner
“Trump went bankrupt in the casino business.A business where people give you their money he went bankrupt.A winner he is not. Con man.”

The house always wins, unless it’s a Trump-casino.

Ishola70

Trump has been quoted today as saying “I have had a great run”

Sounds like the words of the defeated.

Marc

SF

If the public at large wanted the Electoral College changed or abolished and voted out Senators who didn’t support it it’d be gone. The fact it isn’t is because not enough people are that worried about it.

Rich

Dissenter A newspaper running a story, from an anonymous source, with unverified documents, just before an election When there’s no way to verify that source, no way of verifying those documents, is what American politics has become The same with the Hunter Biden laptop story. The left wing media have convinced the left that their telling the truth, and the other side is lying The right wing media have convinced the right that they’re telling the truth, and the other side is lying. You should read a book on confirmation bias, it’s really not hard to trick an entire population.… Read more »

andy1886

“The Trump tax return stories and Chinese bank account were stories from anonymous sources, and if they were legit? Which no one really knows”

They would if he released his tax returns. Every president from Richard Nixon onward has voluntarily released his tax returns annually.

What has he got to hide Rich?

Ishola70

Who knows secretly Trump may have had enough anyway. It’s just his known bravado that is keeping him going now.

The world is a basket case atm not just the US.

Best out of it.

Tom

Dissenter,
Rich is my brother in law bless his heart.
Great guy to everyone who knows him, gets all his news from Fox.

andy1886

@Ishola – I hear that he has huge loans to repay within the next couple of years. He may be better off losing and making hundreds of millions from speaking engagements and the like afterwards. Not that he’s very articulate but there will always be some mug wanting to hear what he has to say.

Tom

Cmon Andy, his taxes are under audit, everyone knows you can’t disclose your taxes when under audit lol.

MidwestGun

Marc –
That plus like I said if it’s a good candidate they will win the electoral college easily. It’s not the voting system that is the problem it’s the candidates we get to vote on. Which is largely due to the amount of money it takes to run for office. So we get these machiavellian/ narcassistic candidates with lots of money or lifelong politicians who know how to game the system.

CaliGooner

Andy

The New York DA says there is a mountain of evidence against him. Only speaking tours he will do will be from prison.

If he loses decisively then he will resign and pence will pardon him to save him from going to prison.

Tom

Andy, 400 m due within next couple of years.
His book won’t get anywhere near what Obama got for his 60m because shit kickers don’t read much, and his speaking engagements won’t be as profitable as other presidents for some of the same reasons.

His best bet is to win again and sell the rest of the country for parts to his cronies while putting pressure on lenders and IRS to lighten the burden, again.

Freddie Ljungberg

Pedro I know this is a political blog now but just wanted to say thanks for the link to the article about my boy Dominik. Hadn’t read that before, very interesting background and shows how dedicated he is to his craft, lives and breathes football, even more keen to see us sign him now, didn’t think that was possible:) . Exactly the kind of characters we need, anti Ozils. “Since the return of football, Dominik has scored 13 goals and registered 20 assists in 24 games.” Sure it’s the Austrian league, but that’s as a midfielder, at 19 years of… Read more »

Marc

Midwest

I agree with you but lots of people would say the same and then ignore candidates who are looking to change things.

It’s not an American thing it’s the same over here – we do at least have laws that during an election TV stations have to operate under certain impartial conditions. I don’t know if you have anything similar.

Rich

Andy

I don’t see why he should?

He’s audited by the tax office every year, and if there was an irregularities?
We’d know about it, by the impending criminal proceedings.

The only person who knows my financial situation is me and my accountant, because I don’t see it as anyone else’s business.

And I think most people feel the same.

Graham62

One person who will be devastated if DT gets back in.

Melania Trump.

Sid

Quote from James Madison who came up with the idea of senate ‘The man who is possessed of wealth, who lolls on his sofa or rolls in his carriage, cannot judge the wants or feelings of the day-laborer. The government we mean to erect is intended to last for ages. The landed interest, at present, is prevalent; but in process of time, when we approximate to the states and kingdoms of Europe, — when the number of landholders shall be comparatively small, through the various means of trade and manufactures, will not the landed interest be overbalanced in future elections,… Read more »

Dissenter

Freddie
How much do you reckon Dominik Szoboszlai will go for?

Marc

“If he loses decisively then he will resign and pence will pardon him to save him from going to prison.”

Again that’s easy to deal with – Biden comes in and has Pence charged with treason – a nice public hanging will stop politicians being tempted by corruption.

MidwestGun

Marc-
We don’t really, they have tried to pass laws to restrict spending and limit what ads you can run.. but both parties have found ways around it with supposedly independent funding groups but they are not independent so they do what they want in the name of whomever their candidate is.

Marc

Graham

How long do you think it’ll be before the divorce proceedings start?

Sid

James Madison structured the system of government in a way that guaranteed the wealthy got to make all the big decisions.

The primary way this was achieved was through the Senate, a small group of unelected (at the time, Senators were appointed) politicians who were loyal to monied interests and would serve very long terms.

Freddie Ljungberg

Diss

His reported release clause is 24m, payable in 3 installments. Could be bargain of the century if true.

Tom

“If he loses decisively then he will resign and pence will pardon him to save him from going to prison.“

You can’t pardon state crimes, only federal.

Dissenter

Rich
It’s customary for presidential candidates to release their tax records, it’s been so since 1970.
Trump has been lying about a never ending audit largely because he’s tax dodger, owes a lot of money to foreign banks and is not as rich as he likes to claim.

Stop arguing like a Chinese manufactured Trump-robot. It’s unbecoming because I now what you can do when you talk Arsenal

…now, lets talk Arsenal, shall we?

Dissenter

Freddie
If it’s true that the club had a role in relegating Ozil to the sidelines, then they will definitely not hold back in backing Arteta for Dominick.
If we want him, we need to be sealing the deal by next month and bringing him over the first week of January. Just send Willock out on loan and replace with Dominick.

Dissenter

Marc
Biden is wise enough to know that going after Trump will imperil his presidency.
BIden has to face the future, the Trump years have been too toxic. It’s an aberration in US history.

Freddie Ljungberg

Sorry Pedro. Slow, eh? Not that I’ve noticed, I mean he doesn’t have blistering pace but I wouldn’t call him slow, he also has excellent technique and is strong enough to not get brushed of the ball, I don’t think it would be a problem. Would need some time to adapt of course but that would be true of anyone we’d buy, we’re not splashing 70-80m on a PL ready Cam. With his work ethic and dedication he’d be up to speed fairly quickly I think. Would be refreshing to have someone that can smash them in from outside the… Read more »

Rich

Pedro It’s all very convenient. One side you say is lying, because it’s all a bit convenient, particularly the timing of it. Which I agree with. But when a left wing publication does the same thing, you see it as gospel? That god has etched it into stone…. Your logic is ridiculous. I think they’re both nonsense, the timings are convenient to say the least. And the reality is none of us really know And where I’m saying show me evidence, show me convictions? Your screaming guilty, but only against the guy you want to lose. And whilst you want… Read more »

MidwestGun

Sid what you are talking about is term limit reform.. and yes politicians should not be able to run for an unlimited amount of terms in the Senate or the House for that matter.

Marc

Midwest

I want you to imagine something – a talented and charismatic person starts a campaign to clean up politics.

If it’s something that people like it’ll gain momentum, if people are more interested in the same old bullshit it’ll die a death.

It does make me laugh the way Democrat’s go at Trump for being crooked and seem to forget how JFK got elected.

Freddie Ljungberg

Diss

You’d hope so, would go a long way in solving our creativity issues, and it’s probably the cheapest option out there despite the huge upside, that should appeal to Kroenke and our empty coffers.

We’re getting 35-40m off the wage bill next summer by default before we even sell anyone so should be able to do something hopefully in January.

Freddie Ljungberg

“And it’s not disputed in any way, that Hunter Biden has had some rather cushy jobs, paid extravagantly for jobs he wasn’t qualified to doAnd that Jim Biden got a contract building houses in Iraq, when he’d never built a house, or been involved in constructionWhich if your being kind, is nepotism at bestAt worst the Biden family benefited from Joe Biden’s public position” Ever heard of Ivanka and Kushner Rich? Don’t know what the the other 2 stooges are up to, but if they haven’t benefited from daddy being in the White house I’d be shocked. Well, maybe not… Read more »

Sid

In 2010, over a third of the UK was owned by 1,200 families descended from aristocracy,

andy1886

Rich, why would an honest man be reluctant to publish his tax return? I wouldn’t have a problem. If you earn sh*t loads isn’t that something to be proud of? If you pay your tax just like the little people wouldn’t they feel better about paying theirs?

And that’s the thing isn’t it? Is the little guy sees the insanely wealthy avoiding their tax obligations he thinks why the f*ck should I pay mine then?

Freddie Ljungberg

I mean obviously Kushner was highly qualified to broker peace in the middle east and heading the corona task force, and the dozens of other jobs he’s had in the last 4 years, a boy wonder he is Jarod.

Marc

Pedro

“Marc, yeah, Dems should be like… ‘well, 1960 wasn’t great’”

No the point is they are all crooked it’s just by how much.

MidwestGun

Midwest _

I want you to imagine something – a talented and charismatic person starts a campaign to clean up politics. If it’s something that people like it’ll gain momentum, if people are more interested in the same old bullshit it’ll die a death.
_____
For me it’s hard to imagine that happening in what’s left of my lifetime. Kind of like imagining a non corrupt Fifa or football without super agents or a PGMOL that was unbiased and truly concerned about making refereeing excellent.

CaliGooner

How about when trump was talking about how terrible Baltimore is.

The biggest slumlord in Baltimore is his son in law.

Sid

Midwest, what im talking about is called ‘lobbying’ where wealthy interests have legislation to serve their interests while it difficult for everday folks to have their interests.

Freddie Ljungberg

“haha, didn’t see that you brought up nepotism with a straight face.”

It’s a ballsy move for sure.

Stupid as fuck, but ballsy.

Marc

Pedro

The Kennedy’s were also close to be political royals in the US for a long time.

Makes you wonder if any of them will ever live long enough to make a real mark in politics again.

Marc

Pedro

It just makes him a man of very stupid people.

karim

CaliGoonerNovember 3, 2020 18:09:41
How about when trump was talking about how terrible Baltimore is.The biggest slumlord in Baltimore is his son in law.

What about his “ shit countries “ jibe ?

SpanishDave

Surprising that Scousers are not following the COVID rules, there’s a thing.

Marc

Pedro

Don’t know – I don’t follow US politics that closely. I’ve always thought RFK would’ve been an interesting President and how different would the world have been without Watergate.

Marc

Dave

I’m more surprised COVID isn’t more discerning about who it infects!

MidwestGun

Midwest, what im talking about is called ‘lobbying’ where wealthy interests have legislation to serve their interests while it difficult for everyday folks to have their interests. ________ Yes.. Sid but Lobbying doesn’t work as well if a Senator or Representative is only going to be at his job for a shorter time. Lobbying reform is sort of a pipedream here but there has been some mostly ineffective. Every person running ever promises to clean up the swamp.. and it never gets anywhere. That isn’t really part of the system set up by our constitution though originally, intentionally, it comes… Read more »

bacaryisgod

Rich

I agree that some of Biden’s family members used his name to create business opportunities. It’s not a good look.

Now, can you agree that some of Trump’s family members used his name (Chinese trademarks etc) to create business opportunities?

Once we can establish that, then maybe we can compare the conduct of the candidates themselves?

CaliGooner

Good way to help clean up lobbying is term limits in Congress.

bacaryisgod

Rich

As for the rioting, do you remember the triggering event for the riots? How many riots were there before George Floyd had the life squeezed out of him for almost 9 minutes by a murderous police officer. That murder sparked massive peaceful protests and unfortunately some rioting and looting by troublemakers. Of course, whereas Biden condemned the rioting, Trump tear-gassed peaceful protesters in a failed effort to boost his candidacy by pushing his law and order message.

Marc

“Good way to help clean up lobbying is term limits in Congress.”

Aren’t they called elections?

London gunner

Pedro

Its obvious that hunter biden the crack addict and his father are corrupt as is trump tbf. There is a reason

Both sides are corrupt hate you democrat nutters who act like you are so pure virtuous. Corruption rife both sides of the aisles.

There is a reason americas oldest newspaper the new York Post posted this..

https://www.google.com/amp/s/nypost.com/2020/11/01/how-joe-biden-clearly-benefited-from-biden-family-business/amp/

Tom

“It just makes him a man of very stupid people.”

Yea, if Trump wins ,some time early next year many of his staunchest supporters , usually the ones who look most out of shape, will be shocked to see their health care premiums skyrocket after the Supreme Court strikes down the pre existing conditions clause. Which Trump has been hard at work to do away with , while at the same time telling everyone he was protecting them of course.

Marko

Marco Rose is doing a great job at Gladbach

London gunner

Freddie

He seems to have done a good job at brokering peace treaties in the middle east

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.politico.com/amp/news/magazine/2020/09/16/how-jared-kushner-proved-his-critics-wrong-416527

bacaryisgod

Back to football, I see a lot of ‘worst-signings’ articles out there. Shouldn’t this really be most disappointing signings? For example, Pogba is nowhere near Man United’s worst signing but he is probably one of their most disappointing ones. To the same extent, Wenger has often been mocked for signing players like Bischoff, Park Chu-Young and Kallstrom but surely a player like Mkhitaryan was far more disappointing based on his cost (est. 35m in Alexis exchange value).

To that extent, who was a more disappointing signing, Ozil or Alexis?

salparadisenyc

Christ London Gunner quoting the post, whose going to tell him?

bacaryisgod

Or were they even disappointing signings?

Habesha Gooner

A lot of debate on the candidates but I dont see any predictions.

Who will win the election. Try to be unbiased to your favoiurite candidate and be objective.

Marc

Habesha

I gave mine earlier. A Biden win but he’ll die or have a stroke before 20th Jan so be unfit to take office.

London gunner

Its ironic the dems are so critical of trumps covid response

When it was Nancy Pelosi and Joe biden who called trump a racist for closing travel with China.

Also Nancy Pelosi danced in China Town….

Funny also how they pushed everyone to riot enmass and gather in huge groups…. isn’t that bad for containing the corona virus….

Ishola70

Tom is making the mistake that saw Trump elected in the first place.

Belittling the little people again. Or should I say fat people.

Tom

“There is a reason americas oldest newspaper the new York Post posted this..“

Post is Fox News of print.
Whatever the shittiest London tabloid you can think of Post is right about that veracity level.

Habesha Gooner

Marc
So harris will be the next president ?

Guns of SF

Sorry fellas Being a Californian, I see my state as fairly non existent and my vote fairly meaningless unless its local, like school board and other shit. Cali is the 7th largest economy in the world. We make the USA rich. Yet, the election is all about the swing states again… its an invalidation feeling. Im not going to stop beating the one person one vote system. its the only fair way in my mind. if repubs want to win, then change they way they do things. As most of the country looks on, its the same states again that… Read more »

London gunner
Rich

Andy You’re free to question why Trump hasn’t released his accounts, it’s a reasonable question. My classical liberal beliefs, are why I think that should be an individual decision. But why does Biden get a free pass on the positions his son has held, and the contract his brother won? Why does Joe Biden think it’s ok for his son to be paid $50,000 a month from a Ukrainian gas company? But wants to end the gas companies in America, and in doing so, the rights of American people to earn their money from a-gas company? It’s double standards, but… Read more »

Habesha Gooner

Whats the protocol if biden wins and dies before his inauguration?

bacaryisgod

Midwest

I disagree with you on the Electoral College but there are arguments on both sides. However, what reason can be used to defend a states like Wyoming and Vermont have the same representation in the U.S Senate as California and Texas?

California: 39 million population and 2 Senators
Texas: 27 million population and 2 Senators
Vermont: 626,000 population and 2 Senators
Wyoming: 586,000 population and 2 Senators

That’s basically disenfranchising the massive minority populations in the larger states.

Tom

Trump wins, then loses, then it goes to courts , then to Congress and he wins by one vote.
Simple