Can Arteta defy the typical Arsenal narrative?

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Well good morning to you all!

Lots going on in the world of Arsenal, my overall take from a fan perspective is that everyone is just a little bit miserable. Look, I understand you, because I look at your Facebook data for a living. You are sad that you stopped reading, there’s no more power-yoga session on that ‘really great app’ you don’t use, your closest relationship is with a bag of Haribo that you can’t stop topping up…. and the football, well, it’s starting to smell like a bag of rotting Emery.

Fear not… this is not how it ends my friends. So stop sad-eating Hagen Dasz, because today, the only dessert breakfast we’re treating ourselves to is a bowl of Cheeri-positivos.

I spoke to some United fans for The Elite Football Show yesterday and they seemed to think that we’re in a similar position to the one United were in before the last January transfer window… namely, lacking creativity.

Now, we all know how they worked their way out of that problem, they signed a world-class creator in Bruno.

I think the biting reality we’re likely facing with Arteta is that until that sort of signing comes our way, we might have problems creating. The issue we have is that at the very highest level, only special talents can truly make a difference if your objective is to hit the heights. We could pump money into a lesser mortal, but that’ll only move us so far. We need to go big on a talent that can grow with us.

Now, I don’t think that quite excuses the depths of our bland creative output, so I’m not giving up. We absolutely have the squad to start creating. There’s a potentially world-class spine developing. Auba, Partey, Gabriel, and Leno could be very special if they all find their game at once. Bellerin and Tierney are top drawer. Saka is an elite young talent. The question really is, who do you build around them?

Pepe, looks like a dud at the moment. He strikes a ball with outrageous venom at full pace, but we rarely see it. He needs confidence and about 5kg in weight. Can he do that this season? Jury is out…

Dani Ceballos hasn’t played a game as bad as the one he did at Leicester in a while. Can he occupy a more advanced position now Partey has joined the midfield?

Gabriel Martinelli might not have been a fave of Mikel’s before the break, but the coach can’t tell us he’s not good because we have seen him with our own eyes. I cannot wait to have him back, he certainly looks like he’s put on the weight Pepe needs.

Willian cost a lot of money. I’m still very unsure if that was Mikel and Edu or the dregs of Raul, but whatever the situation, he’s a quality player that needs to find a role in the team and sharpish. The whole point of him was that he’d not need 3 months to adapt. Well, we’re basically in November and it’s been bland. More to come. We need senior players to step up.

Then there’s the riddle of Joe Willock and ESR. Can they be the surprise packages this season? Will Arteta trust them? Who knows…

But basically, I think we need to pull our heads out of our backsides, realise that this season will be bumpy, and pray to the gods of football that this weekend is our watershed moment.

There’s so much going against us…

We do not win away at Old Trafford. Arsenal hasn’t beaten a top 6 side away since 1912.

We are a gift to struggling managers. That is OGS right now.

We are in terrible form when you look at our style of play and output.

This game is nailed on for a loss… or is it?

CHINS UP, spoons down my friends, this is going to be a great week. I’ll see you in the comments. Come join the party and AGREE with me.

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473 Responses to “Can Arteta defy the typical Arsenal narrative?”

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  1. Daniel Altos

    I just hope we don’t rock up to OT with granite xhaka and mustafi ffs….I can not bear watching rashford vs mustafi because that has penalties written all over it.On Mike Dean,we have won 36/75 games he has reffed us and in the 6 matches he has reffed between arsenal and ManU,United have one four and we have drawn two lol.

  2. GoonerInNY

    I don’t think there is room in the side for both Partey and Xakha. In the first half they were occupying the same space so often it looked like Partey spent half the time getting out of Xakha’s way. Spacing wise, it was like they were playing with 10 men.

    In the second half, Xakha was dropping into defense,so they weren’t on top of each other, but the real problem is that both formations resulted in Xakha rather that Partey receiving passes. I read Xakha received double the passes Partey did. Obviously, that is a problem and one Arteta can and should fix quickly. Theeeasiest ssolution is to leave Xakha on the bench. But regardless Partey has to be the focus of the build up.

  3. Jeanette+Kliger

    And will MA leave Xhaka on the bench? I don’t think so. He seems to be blind to his failings – he’s slow, he almost always passes backwards, he hogs the ball and slows the whole game down. Did we buy Partey to replace Elneny or is MA sulking and not favouring Partey over Xhake because he wanted Auoar and was overruled by Edu?

  4. Daniel Altos

    I think MA sees xhaka as his rodrigo.I read somewhere that he is credited with aiding in rodrigo’s development.Rodrigo at City is often operating in that fullback zone that xhaka operates at trying to build up play from deep and providing defensive cover for the fullbacks. The problem is Rodrigo can actually tackle,is faster than xhaka and positionally he is quite intelligent.He is also press resistant and can receive the ball under pressure and move it quickly.All these are qualities xhaka lacks.

  5. Ishola70

    I can’t agree with the comment that Xhaka was on top of Partey.

    Partey was clearly isolated and it was obvious that Xhaka was taking up position on the left side of midfield.

    The problem wasn’t that players were on top of each other. It was the opposite. We had Partey on his own central, Xhaka as said left and Ceballos kept going to the right side of midfield. So the central midfield was abondoned yet again.

    Going forward Arteta has got to get his team actually playing some football in central midfield. Actual link play in central midfield that involves more than one player.

    In first phase in central midfield it should be Ceballos who is the go to man the first to receive the ball with Partey working alongside. And central midfield. Not Ceballos right midfield which we saw against Leicester.

    Arteta can’t keep abandoning central midfield. It’s not going to be sustainable.

  6. Chairman+Gallant

    My friend, what do you mean by ‘Arsenal hasn’t beaten a top six side away since 1912? Well, I bet to disagree. Arsenal defeated man u away in 2006 courtesy of Emmanuel Adebayo, and I believe we have beaten Chelsea away a couple of times after that, And what about the Spuds? So try and get your facts right. Coming to the issue of creativity, why cant Arteta converts Lacazette to an attacking mid fielder? Since he hardly scores, and he is strong and can dribble and can hold up play, that might just be his preferred position. He can also try using Partey there cos he too can take on and he has a great passing range instead of tying him down with him and Xhaka competing for space. Just a suggestion though.

  7. Ishola70

    Daniel Altos

    “The problem is Rodrigo can actually tackle,is faster than xhaka and positionally he is quite intelligent.He is also press resistant and can receive the ball under pressure and move it quickly.All these are qualities xhaka lacks.”

    Exactly.

    So if Arteta thinks Xhaka is his Rodrigo Arteta is basically off his head on this matter.

  8. Ishola70

    Where it could be said that Xhaka was stifling Partey would be that even though Xhaka was shunted out to the left against Leicester Xhaka was still many times the first midfielder to receive the ball in first phase.

  9. Marc

    Yes it has been a tough start but if we lose Sun that is 4 defeats out of first 7 games. With games to follow against a strong Villa team and then Leeds away the pressure could mount on Arteta. It was clear a creative player was the priority in the summer and amazed we didnt have a back up to Aouar. That is proving to be very costly

  10. Nelson

    Does it appears to anyone that Arteta is part of the problem. Auba and Laca were far better players under Emery than under Arteta. Laca is in and out of the lineup. Eddie and Willian were tried in the #9 position. It definitely hurts Laca’s form. Arteta should play a settled starting 11 and plays backup for those cup games.

  11. Ishola70

    Pedro had it right in his description the other day on here.

    He said Arsenal were “playing around the edges” against Leicester.

    You have got to mix and match far more than that.

  12. shaun

    £30m French centre-back Fofana 19 from Saint-Etienne sound familiar to anyone except this one is not as highly rated as our very own Saliba yet this guy is putting in top notch displays for the foxes and we are still playing that absolutely dumb German who quite frankly is not that bothered and was even told where to position himself by our young 22 year old very good defender for the Vardy goal which he also ignored but I bet Arteta will play that calamity again at the weekend .You have now got question Arteta + the goal keeping issues and continually playing xhaka and the level of boring football is concerning

  13. NORG

    Is the step up to Manager one step too far for Arteta. Over the decades there have been several excellent No.2’s that tried the No.1 position but failed miserably.

  14. Pierre

    Ishola
    “Going forward Arteta has got to get his team actually playing some football in central midfield. Actual link play in central midfield that involves more than one player.”

    Fear of losing possession is crippling the team .

    I watched city last night and Debruyne misplaced his pass more often than not.
    Was he or the manager worried …of course not, because he ultimately delivered 2 passes on a plate for his team mates to score a couple of tap ins.

    My point is, i can’t see any Arsenal player being afforded that luxury of trying things and wasting possession.

    I liken it to Alexis Sanchez during his time at Arsenal, very wasteful at times but Wenger allowed this as he knew that ultimately he would make the difference.

    Who do we have like this atm who can assist and score and is wasteful ….Pepe.
    His numbers are very good considering the amount of game time he has had and the lack of trust he has received from Emery and Arteta.

    For a creative player to be successful, they must have the trust of the manager , meaning that they must be allowed try things that are not the norm. ….and make mistakes.

    The 3 most creatively prolific players are also the 3 players who are the most wasteful in possession.
    Salah
    Debruyne
    Trent Arnold

    I know many don’t rate Pepe but for a player of his style , he needs the ball as often as possible and higher up the pitch , similar to where salah receives the ball.

    Giving the ball to Pepe on the touchline on the half way line is futile , one rarely sees Salah involved in the game hugging the touchline in his own half..

    Bring Pepe into the game further up the pitch, the more he receives the ball in that position, the more damage he will do and the more his confidence will grow…

  15. Ishola70

    Soyuncu is actually very over-rated for Leicester.

    He is all about strength. He is an unbalanced player that is prone to switch off in important moments.

    The old boy Evans is a more all rounded CB than Soyuncu.

    If this French kid Fofana kicks on don’t be surprised to Rodgers have him and Evans as his CB partnership going forward and Soyuncu making way .

  16. Ishola70

    Pierre

    “Fear of losing possession is crippling the team ”

    Yes. It was touched on here the other day with Pedro’s fear title post the other day.

    And not wanting to engage in central midfield is a sign of this fear.

  17. Ishola70

    Very true Pierre.

    Salah as we know is excellent but you see how many times things don’t go right for him when he tries certain things. He has plenty of plays that break down with him. But because he keeps plugging away he will have a couple of plays that do come off for him and then everyone is talking about one of his wonder goals after the match and forget his plays that broke down.

    Same thing can be said for Trent Arnold. For how many excellent crosses and assists he puts in just as many are mishit and end up harmless into the stands behind the opposition goal. But like Salah he just keeps on plugging away regardless and then he will hit the jackpot once or twice during a match.

  18. Ishola70

    The one thing to note on that though is because of the pace Liverpool play at they will continue to have situations in matches where they can fuck up plays but get one or two right. It’s because of the sheer number of occasions they get themselves in offensively.

  19. Pierre

    Ishola
    Sometimes a creative player just needs the trust of a manager to produce their best .

    Sanchez under wenger ..yes
    Under Jose…no.

    Debruyne under pep ..yes
    Under jose …no

    Ozil .under wenger yes
    Under Emery/arteta ….no

  20. Pierre

    Ishola
    “The one thing to note on that though is because of the pace Liverpool play at they will continue to have situations in matches where they can fuck up plays but get one or two right. It’s because of the sheer number of occasions they get themselves in offensively.”

    I’m sure klopp encourages salah to take risks in an around the area and never castigates him for trying things..
    He is also very greedy and one often sees Mane looking frustrated…imagine if Pepe was in possession as often as Salah so high up the pitch …he would make mistakes(as salah does) but he would be lauded as creative genius .

    Instead , half the time we have him standing on the touchline in our own half or the play as per usual is down the left hand side.

    Surely the idea should be to play down the left and have a quick switch of play to Pepe for a one on one situation.

  21. Hamaz

    i think ceballos, partey and xhaka should be played together more for them to build up better understanding with eachother.

    but playing a flat three in the middle of the park did not suit us against leicester.

    we should play with a double pivot with xhaka on the left and partey on the right.

    with dani playing the number 10 position.

  22. Ishola70

    Pierre

    It then boils down to how good the player actually is though.

    You can fail in different ways. A good way to fail or a bad way to fail.

    Pepe so far has failed too many times in the bad way.

  23. Victor o. Kudjodji

    About Thomas patery just join the club,and we all know is good player
    All we need to do is to give him sometime to fit in,he is new player and he is new here,one thing about the club is we want good players but we don’t want to spend
    And we don’t give players chance to play their normal position
    And to give our young players time to develop,we sell them and later regret when they comes developed with another club
    Our problem is physical ,we are not strong,we have the qualities but physically not strong
    So whenever we meet strong team we can’t play well
    How can play against physically strong teams and win
    Just look at the top teams how strong they are comparing to our team.

  24. Paulinho

    Ishola – Teams play around the edges when you have a load of players that thrive in space, but cannot function when denied it. So they all drop off to the sides/deep for solace. Problem is it leaves a cavernous hole, filled with opposition players, challenging us to engage, and getting nothing but distress signals that embolden them even further when we continue to flaff around in front of them without making them break sweat.

    Look at our first goal against Napoli a couple of years ago. Ramsey and Ozil had a mini keep-ball session right smack in the middle of the pitch, disorientating Napoli, and then we went wide at the right time. Now going wide is all we can do.

  25. englandsbest

    Fortunately Man U are not in great shape either. Forget the past, there is no reason to believe we cannot beat them.

  26. Guns of Hackney

    Pepe
    Willian
    Auba
    Leno
    Luiz

    Failure to see this coming or failure to act on the fucking obvious is on Arteta. At what point do you think that a player who is 32, won the lot at Chelsea and looking for the last deal is going to be a hungry signing? Nope.

    At what point do you go and offer a 31 year old with no commercial value and a record of not scoring against good sides, a £1,000,000 a month? You really can count the number of players that are on the up at 31 on one hand. Statistics say, he’s on the down slide and this season proves it. Shit resign.

    Pepe. Cunt. YouTube highlight reel player. I doubt anyone looked at his stats because if they did, they would have realised that he’s shit. Like Laca.

    Luiz. Cunt. Arteta thinks captain mess it up is going to become Baresi at 33? Cunt.

    Leno. We let the better keeper go. End of. Again, why?

    Mistakes aplenty from the Lego haired one. Bad bad bad.

  27. Leftside

    There’s a chance that Sunday ends in a draw. We’ll be negative and timid as ever, with Artetas main man Xhaka at the centre of everything.

  28. azed

    Here’s something for Marc, Marko and Ishola,

    .@gunnerblog : “Arteta has made it quite clear that in build-up this is Xhaka’s team. When Xhaka plays everything goes through him. How that responsibility is shared between Xhaka and Partey is going to be a really interesting development.” (coming months)

  29. alexanderhenry

    Pedro

    ‘We absolutely have the squad to start creating. There’s a potentially world-class spine developing. Auba, Partey, Gabriel, and Leno could be very special if they all find their game at once. Bellerin and Tierney are top drawer. Saka is an elite young talent. The question really is, who do you build around them?’

    I appreciate your attempt to put a positive spin on things and a lot of the anti Arteta stuff on here has been ridiculous but I think you overate this squad.

  30. Tom

    Ishola
    Soyuncu making way? Not a chance, unless by making way you mean Leicester selling him at a huge profit when a bigger club comes calling.
    He’s got pace, strength and he’s good in the air. Fofana has been impressive against Villa and Arsenal, two fairly bland offenses, but Soyuncu is their automatic starter when fit no doubt.
    Evans is underrated and at 32 his reading of the game should be better than the relatively young Soyuncu’s but that’s about it.

  31. Captain Tierney

    First things first

    Lets drop the idea of playing Ceballos as a #10 or a free #8. He is a mess in that position. And just because we can’t create doesn’t mean we should go around trying to fit in square pegs in round holes. He is like a Jorginho. A ball progressor, press resistant player best suited to playing as an 8 in a double pivot. He also has quite good defensive numbers.

    Joe will not solve our creativity issue. He doesn’t have the ability to.

    ESR probably is our best bet but Arteta doesn’t seem to trust him yet and he himself can’t stay fit for a prolonged period period of time.

  32. GunnerDNA

    “it’s starting to smell like a bag of rotting Emery.”

    It is actually a bag of rotting Emery. For the record Emery was rightly sacked but fast forward the next season the football is worse. We can talk about creative players all we like but does the manager trust creative players to take risk? Before Partey arrival most was speculating that it will allow players to take more risk that will actually help the attack and this joker set up with the 3 midfielders sitting in a line in midfield. With the players at the Club, the terrible football that’s on display is down to poor coaching by Mikel. Its so sad to always bring Emery back in but his football wasn’t the greatest and during his time at the Club PEA won the golden boot (he actually miss more than he scored) and Lacazette was Arsenal player of the year. That’s playing for a manager that lacks sauce, now those same players are looking like they forget how to play the game. Unfortunately, that’s down to poor coach and team set up by Mikel Arteta. This current Arsenal have enough talent to play better football. Bring AW out of retirement and he would use a 11 of Leno, Bellerin, Saliba/Mustafi, Gabriel, KT, Partey, Elneny, William/DC, Pepe, PEA and Lacazette having us playing better football. Arsenal problems are down to coaching!

  33. alexanderhenry

    Pierre

    Agreed on your Alexis Sanchez example.

    Arsenal used to have midfielders and deeper lying forwards who used to bag a lot of goals.
    We never used to be so over reliant on out an out strikers.
    Cesc, lungberg, pires, viera, parlour, nasri, cazorla- they all used to weigh in.

  34. Dream10

    Nagelsmann wants to quit Leipzig at the end of season.
    Both Chelsea and City will probably be looking for new managers. Going to hurt when he rocks up at Chelsea. Would sack Arteta right now if we had a realistic chance of getting him.

  35. Jim Lahey

    “Nagelsmann wants to quit Leipzig at the end of season.”

    If this is the case. Arsenal should be doing everything in their power to sign him up.

  36. shaun

    It is not looking great but maybe Pedro can offer us some words of wisdom that will make us see the light in what looks like an emeryesk shit show at the moment and apart from the rest of it and there appears to be quite a lot of strange decisions why do these managers insist on killing themselves by putting there faith in xhaka , Mustaffi and now I am thinking Leno has a goal mistake in him every other game .The foxes were not in good shape when they came to the emirates but Rodgers just gave the master coach some apple pie and said eat that son and we will leave with the three points. Basic, basic and basic …we all new Vardy was gonna come on late and try and take the game and the piss again and he did exactly that

  37. Champagne charlie

    “Willian cost a lot of money. I’m still very unsure if that was Mikel and Edu or the dregs of Raul, but whatever the situation, he’s a quality player that needs to find a role in the team and sharpish.“

    Can’t accept this. He’s an Arteta player, don’t care if Raul was still about at the time because its already well established that Arteta isnt meek behind the scenes so I’m not having any signings were forced upon him.

    Willian will come good imo, he’s just happened to make his initial moves in an Arsenal shirt when we’re desperately lopsided. He’s a collective player, not a solo artist. We need to get the patterns of play right in the final third to see his value more. They’ve been a wash so far, and he’s mirrored it.

  38. raptora

    “Who do we have like this atm who can assist and score and is wasteful ….Pepe.”

    Also Lacazette. I have hopes for Pepe though and not Lacazette.

    Remember when a bunch of posters, which I won’t name but they know who they are, were proclaiming that Lacazette is better than Aubameyang? Imagine thinking that an average striker is better than a world class one. Glasses needed for these folks.

  39. Captain Tierney

    If it were up to me I’d put out the following side against ManU.

    Leno

    Bellerin Saliba Gabriel Kola KT
    Ceballos Partey
    Pepe Auba Saka

    I know Kolasinac is not a good player but we cant have KT playing center back as it massively limits his attacking capabilities. Last match he played as LWB and created 2 good and 1 clear cut chances. At least 1 should have been converted.

    We cant keep playing with the hand brake on. And with team currently deprived of creativity, Tierney can become a good source as he probably has the best delivery of all our players.

    Auba probably isnt the type of striker Arteta wants but we cant have our best finisher/player shunted out to the wings while the likes of Laca and Nketiah keep missing chances which Auba would score in a heartbeat. Look the whole point of a false 9/ striker who drops deep is to create more chances. But Laca and Nketiah both arent good enough in that respect. Laca might create a chance here and there but he has progressively declined since joining us and was never a good source of creativity anyways. I’d rather have Auba at the end of the few chances we are creating than any one of Eddie or Laca.

    If Arteta for some or the other reason cant drop Arteta then I’d rather have him play Midfield in place of Ceballos over LCB. The ManU forwards will skin him there.

  40. Sid

    Diet Peps hiring was about winning a popularity contest, he is inexperienced and lacks intelligence.
    He only appealed to people’s worst emotions like Trump.
    He is constrained by short-term considerations at the cost of long-term planning.

  41. Dream10

    “Roman Abramovich is said to an admirer of Julian Nagelsmann although no-one is suggesting that Frank Lampard is in any immediate danger of being dismissed by Chelsea”

    So Werner and Havertz were not signed by Lampard then lol. Just like Pellegrini, he knows the game

  42. Leftfootcurler

    “Fear of losing possession is crippling the team ”

    No. Lack of players who can play between the opposition’s midfield and the defense line is why we couldn’t progress the ball.

    It’s not a matter of being pragmatic, conservative or playing on the handbreak.

    It’s lack of forward passing options.

    If there aren’t enough passing options , going forward, obviously the players are going to go backwards or sideways.

    We had 3 midfielders vs Leicester who are most comfortable being behind the ball.

    And lacked 1 player in the pockets of space between the opposition’s midfield and defence line.

    Partey was redundant against Leicester.

    What Arteta should have done is put Partey in Ceballos’s role and substituted Ceballos and brought on Willock to play BTL.

    You can keep going on and on about the midfield if you want.

    The problem is in attack,not midfield.

    We removed Ozil, Ramsey, iwobi, mkhi who all play in those pockets of space and didn’t replace them.

    It’s why I have been saying we need to buy Sancho/grealish/Maddison/Coutinho/Brandt/buendia.

    Besides that, we generally lack a runner in attack.

    We generally have just 1 runner in behind (Auba).

    It’s compulsory to have 2 runners or you will be blunt offensively.

    Laca/willian/Pepe don’t run in behind enough.

    Auba/Saka/Martinelli/Nketiah are the only players who run in behind.

    So 2 of them must always play.

    Willian-auba-Saka is the best front 3.
    Should be first choice.

  43. Champagne charlie

    “Remember when a bunch of posters, which I won’t name but they know who they are, were proclaiming that Lacazette is better than Aubameyang?“

    Lacazette is a better footballer than Aubameyang, don’t conflate goal scoring ability with football ability. Auba central requires a lot to work, this idea he just needs to move to CF to unlock us is armchair management in a nutshell.

    The argument previously was how to create a balanced front three. The issue we created for ourselves was to buy Auba 6 months after we had bought Laca. Stupid decision and it ultimately created more issues than it solved.

  44. Daniel Altos

    Am with Pierre on Pepe…have you guys seen the number of assists and goals he had for lille(even excluding pens,those numbers are quite good for a winger)…Pepe is more of a wide forward than a winger. Play him closer to goal and you will see results,I refuse to believe that pepe has suddenly become shit overnight.I have watched him in ligue 1 and he was skinning defenders for fun.You can’t tell me that someone loses that ability all of a sudden

  45. Marc

    “Arteta has made it quite clear that in build-up this is Xhaka’s team. When Xhaka plays everything goes through him”

    And we wonder why we’re struggling? I’ve said time and time again Xhaka is not good enough, it’s not coincidence that the summer he and Mustafi joined was the season we stopped making it into the CL.

    Quite simply he must never set foot on the pitch again for Arsenal in a PL match – if Arteta wants to use him in other competitions till he leaves next summer fine – it’ll be a good reminder for how bad he is.

  46. Daniel Altos

    How is lacazette a better footballer that auba?All the guy does is fouling opponents and chasing his shit first touch not to mention destroying any rythm we have when we attack. The only positive thing about lacagoals is that he has the ability to score scrappy goals and I am looking at nketiah he looks like another lacatette-small,poor first touch and a fouling machine

  47. Daniel Altos

    “Quite simply he must never set foot on the pitch again for Arsenal in a PL match”

    @marc this is the umpteenth time I am reading this statement but sorry xhaka is going nowhere,in fact I have a genuine feeling we will rock up to OT with him and mustafi in the 11.

  48. Daniel Altos

    SidOctober 28, 2020 12:08:28
    Nketiah much better than Laca in the right setup

    Nketiah is going to end up at Birmingham or Boro in the next few years.Its time to try Balogun. The martinelli goal against chelsea,would he honestly score that?Greenwood is quick,good dribbler,uses both feet and has a hammer of a shot.Martinelli is quick,can dribble,excellent heading and can dribble. What is nketiah’s standout feature?

  49. Marc

    Highbury

    “He’s good enough for Arteta, so stfu.”

    If Arteta was nailing it I’d pretty much have to – as he’s not I think I won’t.

  50. Victorious

    Auba is so much better than Laca in every aspect of football, the only decent ability he has of holding the ball up front has gone to shite too,

    Arteta is a rookie coach who has the arrogance of peak Wenger and Ferguson, you just know he won’t play Auba through the middle until we’re probably threatened by the prospect of relegation.

    We’ll absolutely lose at United if he continues to play Laca as CF.

  51. Buzzy

    Till Arteta doesn’t play Auba up top, nothing will change. But he won’t because literally every journo out there is asking him about it and that’s hurting his ego. Football shouldn’t be rocket science. Play your best players in their favored positions.

  52. Freddie Ljungberg

    If we want someone that can do what Laca is supposed to be doing, but actually has the build for it and can dribble as well we need to to take another look at Marcus Thuram, should have got him before he went to Gladbach but should still be within our grasp if we don’t dwell on it too long.

    Have to start planning for life after Auba as well and only Martinelli of the players at the club is good enough to be in that conversation. Thuram can play on the wings too so he’s versatile for a big guy.

    Szoboszla in January and Thuram in the summer and all we really need is a replacement for Ceballos when he goes back to Madrid to have a very strong first XI, wafer thin quality wise outside that but it’s a start.

    First though Arteta needs to start using the players we have better, no reason for the weak displays we’ve been seeing.

    No Xhaka, No Laca, No Eddie, back 4, Partey-Ceballos pivot with Willian or Saka ahead the other on the left, Auba middle Pepe right.

    Hopefully Saliba gets his head straight soon so we can start seeing him in the PL, if Fofana can start for Leicester he can start for us.

  53. raptora

    Leftfoot,

    Your post makes sense but then you start talking nonsense.

    You can’t vouch for Willock to start for us. You just can’t. He is shit. End of.

    Then you say that best front three is Willian Auba Saka.
    So you assume Willock would be playing behind them.
    I would like to see it, but why go the extra mile of starting Willock, when you can slam Saka behind Auba, Pepe on the right wing.

    _____Saka
    Pepe Auba Willian

    Each and every one of this front 4 would be playing on their favorite position.

    Pedro was saying how Saka was tried as a #10 and he was fantastic at it. I think we saw it in a couple of games last season. Vs Brighton, in the game we lost in June, Saka occupied more central areas than he normally does. He almost scored with his cracking shot shaking the crossbar, assisted Auba his he was deemed in an offside position after a VAR check, and assisted Pepe for his superb goal.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TNtOSwUYsX8

    Just play Saka in the AM/CAM. He has everything it takes. Fk Willock, he isn’t good enough.

  54. Pierre

    Alexanderhenry
    Pires and ljundberg were the masters at arriving in the box at exactly the right time..

    Having players of the intelligence of Bergkamp and Henry also helped ….

  55. Victorious

    Mike Dean is the ref at Old Trafford, the guy has a statistic of awarding a pk to United just under 1ce in every four matches

    Mike dean and Bruno Fernandez. A match made in heaven

    United getting a pk against us is almost as certain as Vardy scoring against us even if he comes in the 90th minute of a game against us

    Going to be a very long season for arsenal fans

  56. Champagne charlie

    Leftfoot

    Totally agree, have said as much for a long time. Crucified Emery when he arrived and got rid of Jack, Cazorla, then Ramsey with literally no replacements.

    Cazorla was the biggest one of the lot. Not nearly enough respect was given to both his absence and then his release. He transformed us when he played, we dipped massively when he had his long term injury, then we completely whiffed his replacement despite letting him walk.

    Horrible stuff. Then the beta-creators have also been dismissed in Iwobi, Mkhi. We have nothing between CM advancer, and CF.

  57. Nelson

    There is a major problem with the Arsenal fans. They are extremely impatient. Too much fan noises will not help the manager. Emery was under a lot of pressure and acted more and more erratic in hid final days as Arsenal manager. Let’s calm down a bit and let Arteta do his job. He needs help to build the offense. All his assistants couldn’t train the players to build up chemistry. To open up a defense, you need those one time fast forward passes. You need to practise those plays on the training ground.

  58. Marc

    “Hopefully Saliba gets his head straight soon so we can start seeing him in the PL”

    The comments on that were from Arteta – not someone who’s judgement on players is carrying a lot of weight with me at the moment.

  59. Marc

    Nelson

    “There is a major problem with the Arsenal fans. They are extremely impatient.”

    Firstly Arteta is currently shielded from the fans with no one in the grounds – I doubt he spends much time reading the comments section on here (Sorry Pedro but it’s true!).

    Secondly of course the fans are impatient – we’re seeing the same basic mistakes repeated game after game. When Arteta does make a change he goes the wrong way ie finally takes Auba off the LW only to stick him on the RW.

    Arteta is trying to be too clever – he needs to stop trying to be the new Pep and be Mikel.

    If what we’re seeing is the real Mikel then sorry but he’s not going to last.

  60. Ishola70

    Well not that Gunnerblog is the gospel of anything but it will be interesting to see where Xhaka plays at Old Trafford if picked.

    If it’s on the left side of midfield again like in the last match against Leicester then this talk of everything going through Xhaka is going to be a depressing watch.

    Everything going through a player shunted out to the left side. Really good.

  61. Marc

    Ishola

    Xhaka’s going to start – unless he gets injured. I don’t know what it’s going to take for Arteta to see the problem.

    If he’s simply incapable of doing it the fans will deal with it once they’re back in the stadium.

  62. Freddie Ljungberg

    I don’t think Salibas case is a lack of quality or that he breached any non negotiables, I think it’s simply a case of giving him time to grieve away from the spot light at a major club with fans baying for blood at the slightest misstep or if they have an agenda.

    Professional footballer or not he’s still just a kid who recently lost his mom.

  63. Rich

    Say in Jan we get Ozil, Sokratis, Kolasinac off the books.

    Would KSE back us for an elite attacking?

    I’m not too worried our midfield in deep positions looked disorganised on Sunday, that’ll come with time, we’ll iron out the creases on the training ground, Ceballos is usually better than that., and Partey had trained for just over a week.

    The more we stick to what we’re doing, the better we’ll become at it, but we do need an injection of quality in the final third, we’re so blunt and easy to contain.

    We’re more dangerous without the ball, and the more of the ball we have, the less dangerous we become,.

    Clubs know what the blueprint is, Rodgers gave in to them second half on Sunday, and anyone who’s watched us over the past few years, won’t be blind to our lack of penetration and creativity,

    Willian was brought in specifically to solve this issue, Pepe’s been here 14 months, both need to start performing.

    Sunday’s an exciting game, United’s squad is slightly ahead of ours IMO, but there’s not much in it, we’re overdue a win up there, and we’re overdue some marginal decisions going in our favour.

    Unfortunately the referee for Sunday is Mike Dean…..

  64. Ishola70

    Dwayne

    “As for Arteta, he is like Klopp only in that he has a poor squad”

    lol. Is he for sure? Even down to wearing the same coloured socks?

    Nothing to worry about then is there.

  65. Victorious

    Arteta as a matter of fact is a very lucky guy fans are not allowed in at the stadium at the moment

    A large percent of the Emirate crowd are fully aware the likes of Xhaka and Mustafi are total shite,that he’s still persisting with them when we have better alternatives, playing Auba everywhere else but the position where is a deadly finisher and coupled with the fact he’s offering dogshite football and I’m telling you he’ll be getting his arrogant ass booed off already.

  66. raptora

    The Saliba situation makes me think twice if Arteta really likes playing young footballers.

    Martinelli – Benched before he got injured in training.
    Guendouzi – Forcefully out of the picture.
    Nelson – can’t make the squad on matchday.
    Willock – can’t even start in the Europa League and has a total of 0 minutes in the EPL.
    Saliba – stuck playing in the reserves team.

    Only Saka and Nketiah are getting some love.

    I don’t rate some of them myself – Reiss, Willock, Eddie – but the rest can become top drawer.

    However, they can all help the team stay fresh and save an injury to our more important players, as well as rising their own price so we could get decent money for them.

  67. Ishola70

    Marc
    “Xhaka’s going to start”

    I think we all realised that and Arteta is going to have to learn the hard way.

    But Gunnerblog is another over-rated hack.

    It’s like they declare these things with glee.

    Fools.

  68. Marc

    Feddie / Wasi

    The problem with Arteta on Saliba is he came out and said he’s not ready for Arsenal so we’ll send him out on loan – we then don’t include him in the EL squad where he could get some games for us and with no fans in the stadiums he wouldn’t get the pressure, we then screw up sending him out of loan.

    It’s just piss poor management. If Emery had done that Pedro would be calling it gross misconduct and a sackable offence on it’s own.

  69. Leftfootcurler

    Raptora

    Don’t put words my mouth. If you don’t understand something I write,ask me.

    We lack certain type of players in the squad.
    Closest player to give the qualities we need are willian and Willock.

    I never said Willock is good. But if you have no choice,you have to play him.

    Willian was injured. So should have brought on Willock.
    Would have made us better.

    Playing Saka as 10 and Pepe wide is plain stupid.

    Pepe has WC ability but he neither offers himself BTL nor makes enough runs in behind.
    So pretty useless player.
    Will produce WC moments from time to time, that’s it.

    Saka is the one of the few players who run in behind regularly and has the technical quality to play in tight spaces.
    So must play in front 3. Compulsory.

    Willian-auba-Pepe lacks goals.
    Main reason why both emery and Arteta played Auba LW and laca CF is because with Auba CF, any combo of front 3 lacks goals.

    Which is perfectly logical.
    Auba has scored as many from the left as he would from CF in his last 2 seasons.
    But whoever would have played LW,RW besides him would not have scored as many as lacazette did from CF.

    I have Auba CF in my first choice front 3 because Saka makes enough good runs in behind.

    I would back him to score 10 from RW.

  70. Kenyangunner

    Waiting for Pepe to come good is akin to waiting for Godot.
    I called it right here after seeing him play for Cotedvoire.
    MA has made Arsenal boring. Arsenal were never so boring even in the 8-2 drubbing

  71. S Asoa

    Pedro

    Regarding the comparison with United and how they turned after Bruno Fernandes might not apply to Arsenal because Arteta appears to my mind a perverse ( actually trying to be oversnart ). Rashford has not been pushed into playing a Timbuktu position like Auba, Laca, Williams, Ceballos et al. So guess even after Aouar things could be same unless Edu stops acting nice and give a well deserved kick up Arteta backside. His brains might move upwards into the cranium hopefully.

  72. Davey

    Soyuncu is a top young defender who has pace and strength and will only get better, the powers that be decided our greek god Sok was a better buy for the same money and about 7 years older- Another gem who we can’t get shot of.

  73. GS88

    Still think we really missed a BIG opportunity, and very significantly when Pep left Barca. And then when Klopp left Dortmund. We should of removed Wenger, and gotten either at those respective times.

    It’s proving to be very costly.

  74. raptora

    Leftfood: “Don’t put words in my mouth”

    You literally said to play Willock between the lines and after that said our best front three is Willian Auba Saka. You vouched for Willock to play. Where have I misinterpreted your words? Willock is shit and you want him to play.

  75. Victorious

    The match against united will be worse than watching paint dry, two absolutely out of form teams playing boring football, plenty chance we don’t see a shot on target from both teams

    Arteta will take a goaless draw if offered already but I think United get a dodgy pen to edge it

  76. Ishola70

    Soyouncu as said is very over-rated and is an unbalanced player.

    He has a very rigid gait and running style.

    Evans is a better all round CB.

    But I could see why some would be taken in wih Soyoncu. Some just can’t resist Robocop defenders.

  77. Rich

    Highbury legend

    Our problem aren’t coaching ones:

    They’re years of poor scouting, not just in identifying quality players, but Identifying the level of physicality this league demands

    Years of poor inward recruitment

    Years of poor outward recruitment

    Paying average players far too much

    A lack of stability within the club, but also through the team, it’s difficult to find that balance, if the players at your disposal are largely not good enough to build around for the medium to longer term

    Arteta and Emery aren’t producing much difference, like I said they wouldn’t.

    I Think we’ll see improvements as the season progresses, and even if we came back with the same group next season with Arteta still in charge, we’d still be short, but I think we’d have improved, I just takes time,

    The common theme is the players, and undoing the damage in a market that’s completely decimated is going to take us a long time, much better decision making, and some serious investment from KSE.

    A revolving door of managers doesn’t help, and unless Arteta loses the dressing room, we should stick.

  78. Pierre

    LFC
    You make some good points but why would you play Saka at right wing, it’s obvious that he does the most damage with the Debruyne like crosses on the left in the corridor of uncertainty…

    You would be losing his biggest weapon by playing him on the right.

  79. Davey

    I have watched Soyouncu many times and can not honestly say why you compare him to a robocop defender, he was fantastic last year and formed a very good understanding with Evans. I think Sokratis is more like robocop defender and cost the same- work out the value

  80. Champagne charlie

    Raptora

    You’re being pernickety and ignoring the context and sentiment behind what’s being said about Willock BTL. Same nonsense as you did prior with Laca.

    Instead of picking out a sound bite you then throw back at a poster why not actually digest the entire point being made?

  81. Leftfootcurler

    Raptora
    “Where have I misinterpreted your words? Willock is shit and you want him to play.”

    Against Leicester, Arteta should have subbed Willock on.

    OUR MIDFIELD WAS FLAT AND WILLIAN WAS INJURED.

    ONLY OPTION TO IMPROVE THAT WAS WILLOCK.
    Talking about that specific game.

    Not that I want him playing every game.

    I talked about what happened in Leicester game first.

    Then went on to speak about the team in general.

    You assumed I wanted Willock behind the front 3.
    I don’t want that at all.

  82. Ishola70

    I have also watched Soyoncu on more than enough occasions and he typifies a robocop defender,

    Macho man demeanor mostly about strength and a very rigid gait and running style.

    Of course I’m arguing against the grain at this time because he is seen as a first team regular. Won’t be the case though if this French kid kicks on.

    The West Ham forward the big black guy had Soyoncu in his pocket recently. Absolutely in his pocket.

  83. Champagne charlie

    I actually think Old Trafford is going to be a messy affair, don’t see boring being on the agenda at all.

    I think we’re going to be idiots if we see the left hand side as the viable route to attack though. Wan Bissaka will pocket Auba and I think we should be making it priority number one to expose Shaw and Maguire down the right.

  84. raptora

    “You assumed I wanted Willock behind the front 3.
    I don’t want that at all.”

    So who then, since my obvious two choices in Saka and Willian are playing as wingers in your best attack? Of course I’m going to assume it you’d want Willock to play there if you meant it for the Leicester game. Who else is left?

  85. raptora

    CC: “Instead of picking out a sound bite you then throw back at a poster why not actually digest the entire point being made?”

    Your post that Lacazette is a better footballer than Auba? I’ll skip it. Thanks!

  86. Useroz


    shaunOctober 28, 2020 10:12:50
    £30m French centre-back Fofana 19 from Saint-Etienne sound familiar to anyone except this one is not as highly rated as our very own Saliba yet this guy is putting in top notch displays for the foxes and we are still playing that absolutely dumb German who quite frankly is not that bothered and was even told where to position himself by our young 22 year old very good defender for the Vardy goal which he also ignored but I bet Arteta will play that calamity again at the weekend .You have now got question Arteta + the goal keeping issues and continually playing xhaka and the level of boring football is concerning”

    Didn’t know Fofana costed £30m! He definitely had a lesser profile than Saliba while in Ligue 1. Indeed, Saliba was one of the most recognised CB talent in Europe, before we bought him that is.

    It’s getting untenable with some of these Arteta decisions or downright favourites I believe most of us on Le G would have Salina made some mistakes and learn than watching Mustafi fucking up again.

  87. Davey

    Ishola70
    October 28, 2020 13:09:16

    I have also watched Soyoncu on more than enough occasions and he typifies a robocop defender

    Ok the West Ham apart do you not concede he had a very good saeson last year or are you going to pull out some bad game he had all season? Not sure why you say his balance is poor and I would take him now over all our right sided centre halves. We will agree to disagree

  88. Leftfootcurler

    Pierre

    Because Saka has potential to be a great goal scorer.

    Makes top class runs in behind.

    I wouldn’t limit his impact by making him a creator.
    Especially since we badly need another runner in behind.

    He is quite two footed so left or right, doesn’t make much difference.

    Willian is right footed,I want him coming inside to combine with our attackers.

    Prefer him on the left and try to hit the runners (Auba,saka) in behind.

  89. Ishola70

    Davey

    I see that his running style and gait is very rigid.

    But of course my take is that he is being over-rated so of course you would expect disagreement.

    Evans many times seems to be the CB with the actual intelligence in that Evans-Soyoncu partnership.

  90. S Asoa

    “Arteta has made it quite clear that in build-up this is Xhaka’s team. When Xhaka plays everything goes through him”And we wonder why we’re struggling? I’”

    Now who got a nice arse ? Reason plus why Arteta needs a knee as well.

  91. raptora

    Soyuncu is probably a better defender than ‘arry Maquire already. Can’t believe Manure made him the most expensive defender in the world. Mental.

  92. Davey

    When he is fit again we will see how his season goes but I see a top young defender at the same price we payed for Sokratis, he is young and will only get better so not sure why he is overated- still opinions are like arseholes- everyone has them.

  93. Leftfootcurler

    Raptora
    “So who then, since my obvious two choices in Saka and Willian are playing as wingers in your best attack? Of course I’m going to assume it you’d want Willock to play there if you meant it for the Leicester game. Who else is left?”

    I am not changing the formation.

    You don’t recognise it but Arteta plays 343 w/o the ball and 433 in possession which becomes a 2-3-5 when we get into middle third and try to progress the ball into final third.

    AMN in the LWB/LCM/LM role.

    It becomes AMN and Willian in the pockets with Auba and Saka running in behind.

  94. Aussie+Gooner

    Nelson

    “There is a major problem with the Arsenal fans. They are extremely impatient.”

    Are you kidding me? We have been ‘rebuilding’ for nearly 15 years – some of us don’t have much time left to enjoy the glory days again! I would say we have been more than patient!

  95. Ishola70

    Leftfootcurler

    “You don’t recognise it but Arteta plays 343 w/o the ball and 433 in possession which becomes a 2-3-5 when we get into middle third and try to progress the ball into final third.”

    That sounds fantastic that description.

    How come it’s not as fantastic as it sounds on the pitch itself and reality.

    Especially the 2-3-5 bit at the end. We are offensive animals.

  96. Captain Tierney

    So Evans is better than Soyuncu.

    2020 strikes again.

    Marc

    Agreed. Saliba situation was dealt with very properly by the club. But in this case the majority of the blame falls on Edu. Arteta made it clear he was not ready for us and apparently a verbal agreement with St. Etienne was reached days before the deadline day. It was then Edu’s job to get the paperwork done for a simple loan which shouldn’t be a hassle for even a rookie tech director. He failed.
    But under Emery could definitely see Pedro calling for his head in the same situation.

  97. Captain Tierney

    “You don’t recognise it but Arteta plays 343 w/o the ball and 433 in possession which becomes a 2-3-5 when we get into middle third and try to progress the ball into final third.”

    True.

    Ishola tho sometimes gets confused with formations.

  98. Valentin

    Marc,

    Those comments are just empty rhetoric by a master of talk.
    Saliba’s mum died in May. He was ready to play. Being denied the opportunity to play in the French FA Cup final, being told that he was going to be loaned out, then being denied a loan at the last minute, being excluded from the Europa League squad, and now being stuck playing reserve football is more likely to be the cause of his current unsettling.

    Instead of spewing excuse to justify his treatment of Saliba, maybe Arteta should look at how he treated him to understand Saliba state of mind.

  99. Champagne charlie

    Raptora

    Skip what you like, but cherry picking remarks and forwarding them as the absolute views of others is precisely why you’re being accused of putting words in another persons mouth.

    Leftfoot has explained his view to you twice now because you’re being a melt, you’re welcome.

  100. Leftfootcurler

    Ishola
    “How come it’s not as fantastic as it sounds on the pitch itself and reality.Especially the 2-3-5 bit at the end. We are offensive animals.”

    I have explained that many times on here.

    Personnel issues and lack of ball retention and creativity in attack.

    If you may remember,since last season I have been saying Coutinho(mainly took his name last season because he was a kia client) and improvement in Pepe is what would get top 4.

  101. Ishola70

    Leftfootcurler

    “Personnel issues and lack of ball retention and creativity in attack.”

    Well that’s quite a few problems isn’t it. Especially the lack of personnel part.

  102. Danny

    My biggest fear this season is not how low we might finish but what Spurs might win this season. They’re in the qf of the League Cup (away to Stoke) and what with Liverpool’s defensive injuries and Man C wobbling, Jose’s licking his lips……..the cunt.

  103. Ishola70

    It looks like Arteta’s best chance of CL is again like other recent seasons that being winning the Europa League.

    There may be a few teams in Europa League though in the advanced rounds that won’t mind parking the bus and countering and that’s where problems could occur.

  104. Dissenter

    Ishola is really one strange fella

    What in the world is a “robocop” defender?
    At least he’s spreading out his wackadoodle frenzy to someone else besides Xhaka

  105. Marc

    Valentin

    My general position is to try and give someone the benefit of the doubt. Arteta is trying my patience on several fronts at the moment but the Saliba situation is just plain stupid.

    By all accounts he spent the whole summer training with us to try and be ready.

  106. Champagne charlie

    Until we address the chasm between CM and CF we’ll be spluttering along in terms of creativity. We’re being opposed with a low block because teams recognise our inability to break them down.

    It’s an effective move generally speaking, which is why teams do it against City and often stifle even them. But the fact we have almost none of their creative firepower only makes our efforts that much more difficult when facing it right now.

    Really hoping Willian can find his feet in a more central position, think we’re best served with a midfield pivot and player advanced of them. Partey and Xhaka are the best match on paper, physical, good distribution, left and right footers to open up the pitch.

    Personally prefer a trio operating ahead of that in Willian, Saka, and Nelson. All mobile, can run behind and come short and spin. Leaves Auba a bit isolated as the lone striker, but good movement can overcome that.

  107. Leftfootcurler

    Ishola

    “Well that’s quite a few problems isn’t it. Especially the lack of personnel part”

    Yes, which is why I have always said it’s the 7th best squad in the league.

    Lack of BTL creators being the biggest reason.

    If you find it difficult to see the shift in formation,

    Just Look at Tierney
    Leicester game is an exception.

    In other games, he was LCB when arsenal didn’t have the ball and LB when arsenal had the ball.

    This should be the easiest thing to notice.

    We are blunt offensively because every team needs 2 runners,2 creators.

    In most games, we generally had 1 runner(Auba)
    and lack a primary creator in the squad.
    Saka/willian are good enough to be a secondary creator.

    Saka first made good runs consistently in the 1-1 draw against Leicester last season where Eddie got the red.

    He can be the 2nd runner but so far he and Auba played in the same zone and got in each other’s way.

  108. Champagne charlie

    Reiss Nelson has the best ball retention data according to some analysis I saw on Reddit..

    “Reiss Nelson has the best ball retention of all Arsenal players at the moment, He comes 99th out of 1947 eligible players.
    Arsenal have no forwards in the top 500 best ball retainers in Europe. Auba is the closest at 594th. For reference, City have 7 players in the top 21“

  109. Marko

    I think the biting reality we’re likely facing with Arteta is that until that sort of signing comes our way, we might have problems creating.

    So the argument you’re putting forward for Mikel is basically the same argument I put for Emery addressing the defence. As in it’s not him who’s capable of fixing the problem the solution is a marquee player an injection of quality. It’s nothing but an excuse for me given that we seen during the Sheffield United game that the creativity issue can be addressed by what we have already here. Obviously we need better players we needed better players under Emery too but it’s not a valid reason for constantly playing players out of position and negatively and getting the starting 11 wrong all the time.