Partey time?

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This is going to be a power-post because the week I’m having looks like Denilson in midfield against Stoke.

Mikel Arteta wants Arsene back at the club.

I would like to see him back around us. He was a massive figure for me and he’s someone that I can still learn a lot of things from and I would like to have him closer to us.

Obviously the actual environment doesn’t allow us to do it, but I think he’s a figure that has to be very present in what we do at the football club because he is, in my opinion, the one who had the vision and helped this club to evolve and be what it is today.

The man does not miss with the press. You cannot force him into an error, he’s very, very good with media folk. Pretty sure he’d not be wanting Wenger making decisions, but one day, you have to expect that Wenger will take on a Bobby Charlton like role at Arsenal. He’s an elite figurehead.

Mesut Ozil is now 32. Arsenal.com posted a miserable picture of him and wished him happy returns. All a bit sad really, he’s on the back 9 and clinging on at a club he doesn’t need to be at. It’s so, so boring.

THOMAS PARTEY IS TRAINING AND FIT. He might start, though I find that a bit of a stretch. He’ll be on the bench though… ready to ease our sorrows when we’re 3-0 down after 20 mins.

This game will be interesting. Coming back off the international break in great form is tough. Who knows which City will show. Arteta says they’ve been unlucky in games. No, they haven’t. Leicester spanked them and a team of their calibre shouldn’t be challenged by a side like Leeds. I don’t know what is going on at City, but they have been in a hangover. We could win 2-0 or get our asses absolutely handed to us. You just don’t know which side will show.

The big question mark over team selection will be whether Kieran T will play. It seems pretty clear the club are arguing he had it this summer, so he’s immune… so we’ll see how that pans out. Either way, it’s clear he’s integral to any success we might have. This sort of thing is exactly why international breaks through the season are a lump of bullshit.

Right, really short post. See you tomorrow. x

 

 

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  1. Aussie+Gooner

    “Arsenal defender Konstantinos Mavropanos, on loan at VfB Stuttgart, will require surgery on a meniscus injury that could lead to several missed games.”

    Not having a lot of luck is he!

  2. Matt

    Actually feeling quite positive about our chances against city tomorrow. I just hope that we don’t continue with the insistence on playing out from the back if City are really pressing. It makes out games almost unbearable to watch.

  3. peanuts&monkeys

    Sid: how correct you are!

    1. yes, arsenal is outright borefest. Without Ozil this borefest will only be more and more unbearable.

    2. Arteta is a pathetically conservative manager. You can get a grip of the magnitude of this borefest when a Wenger hater starts imagining Wenger’s ideas of lending and attacking mindset could still bring in something interesting to this team.

  4. SpanishDave

    Flu in most cases gives people pneumonia so that’s why the government lump them together.
    Doctors have included Covid on death certificates often without testing, they have just assumed it. So the numbers are not completely trustworthy.
    Even so this virus is not a big killer it’s made out to be. The WHO started this panic and now they are retracting saying lockdown doesn’t work
    Over one million people in the world have died so far out of 7.8 billion and 70 Million children have been born into the world in the past nine months .
    It all needs perspective .

  5. Emiratesstroller

    There is a lot of politicising and left wing media commentary criticising the government about our performance level regarding Covid.

    The United Kingdom has the highest rate of testing in Europe [excluding Russia] and the second highest rate of per capita testing after Denmark a significantly smaller country in area and population.

    Here is a comparison of the 4 most populated countries in Europe as of Wednesday.
    United Kingdom 28,677,578 tests 421,791 tests per million population
    Germany 19,276,653 229,859
    France 12,710,000 194,594
    Italy 13,077,827 216,393

    Germany has over 80 million population, France and UK around 66 million and Italy 60 million.

    The main reason that our death rate is worse than many other countries is twofold. First
    that we have a very unfit population and second, because there are people in the UK who
    are completely irresponsible and choose to break the basic rules for their own self gratification.

    Germany rather like Japan and South Korea have always been a far more disciplined nation,
    which in a crisis like a pandemic is critical.

    According to information I received from a friend who is a scientist at London School of Tropical Medicine the main mistake the government made was to delay the lockdown in
    March by one or two weeks.

    Otherwise this Country has performed and coped reasonably well when compared with most other European Countries.

    The NHS has coped with the situation and the science and treatments are amongst the best
    globally led by Oxford, Imperial and London School of Tropical Medicine.

    If I have one criticism of the Government it is that they need to communicate better with the public.

  6. Left testicle

    If I have one criticism of the Government it is that they need to communicate better with the public.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    Didn’t they recently appoint a media spokesperson?

  7. Marc

    Dave

    “Flu in most cases gives people pneumonia so that’s why the government lump them together.”

    But they didn’t on this report they had the 3 conditions separate which is not something I remember seeing before eg if we had 25,000 flu deaths one year does that mean there were additional deaths from Pneumonia?

  8. Marc

    Emirates

    As always bring a balanced view point.

    “If I have one criticism of the Government it is that they need to communicate better with the public.”

    This is critical – I’ve refused to watch BBC news for years – you might as well just read Socialist Worker but this year Sky News has gotten even worse – it’s an utter joke.

    The Government needs to attack the media when they are reporting mis-truths or bullshit.

  9. karim

    According to information I received from a friend who is a scientist at London School of Tropical Medicine the main mistake the government made was to delay the lockdown in
    March by one or two weeks.

    Exactly what I pointed out earlier btw

  10. Left testicle

    Marc,
    Agreed re: Sky
    I e-mailed them twice regarding BLM. I stated that they were a Political Movement and by constantly advertising on Sky Sports it compromises their position. I stated there was no problem with a slogan like Kick Out Racism but they shouldn’t be using the BLM slogan. They basically told me to do one.

  11. Marc

    Left

    I can’t remember which film it was but a few weeks ago the description for a film on Sky Movies instead of giving an outline of the film had the “this film contains outdated themes yada yada”.

    It’s like the snowflakes are taking over the world.

  12. Bamford10

    Aussie

    subject: Top 15 most valuable squads in the world according to TransferMarkt

    “How?”

    1. Wenger spent poorly
    2. Raul’s spending was a mixed bag
    3. the Academy hasn’t been producing enough top quality players
    4. other clubs have spent even more money than we have
    5. other clubs have spent their money more intelligently than we have

  13. Jim Lahey

    My favourite thing at the moment is listening to commentators tripping over themselves trying not to attribute racial stereotyping to players! There will be no “strong” or “powerful” runs from Partey!! 😂

  14. Jim Lahey

    “subject: Top 15 most valuable squads in the world according to TransferMarkt”

    Are these arbitrary valuations or what the club paid for each player?

  15. Left testicle

    To be fair since the restart of the football, racism from the stands is said to be down by over 35%.
    …………..
    🙂

  16. Left testicle

    To be fair since the restart of the football, racism from the stands is said to be down by over 35%.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    Surprised it has gone down that much with John Terry on the bench at Villa.

  17. Left testicle

    Slogans are a waste of time any way. As if some loud mouth racist thug is going to change his/her views because of a slogan appearing at the top of the screen.

  18. Bamford10

    Jim

    Neither. They are based on what the writers / editors at Transfermarkt think the value of the player is today. For example, we signed Pepe for £72m but they have him listed at £34m today. That’s not “arbitrary”; that’s their opinion on his market value. Yes, that makes it somewhat subjective, but subjective and arbitrary are two totally different things, and the better the publication, the more accurate its assessments.

  19. Bamford10

    Aussie

    subject: Top 15 most valuable squads in the world according to TransferMarkt

    Sorry, allow me to add:

    6. Wenger mismanaged contracts (see Ozil, Alexis and Ramsey, for example)
    7. Wenger may not have developed talent as well as he could have (see Walcott, for example)
    8. Wenger may have mismanaged players in such a way that they suffered career-hampering injuries (see Wilshere and Ramsey, for example) they wouldn’t have suffered if they had been properly managed

  20. Jim Lahey

    @Bamford –

    Bamford either way its trash. There is no way to quantify a players value. A bunch of lads have gone into a room and spitballed what they think each player is worth? How is anyone meant to take this seriously?

  21. Left testicle

    A player is worth what a club is prepared to pay at a point in time.
    eg August 2016 / Shkodran Mustafi / £35m

  22. Kris

    “My favourite thing at the moment is listening to commentators tripping over themselves trying not to attribute racial stereotyping to players! There will be no “strong” or “powerful” runs from Partey!!”

    I noticed this, and it is kind of funny. Now even if a black player is all speed and not much else, they specifically mention his intelligence just in case.

  23. Left testicle

    I noticed this, and it is kind of funny. Now even if a black player is all speed and not much else, they specifically mention his intelligence just in case.
    ……………..
    Couldn’t use the ‘intelligence line when referring to Walcott.

  24. Tom

    “Jim LaheyOctober 16, 2020 15:50:51
    “subject: Top 15 most valuable squads in the world according to TransferMarkt”Are these arbitrary valuations or what the club paid for each player?”

    Jim, a combination of factors like what league and position a players plays in, his age, form and performance as it relates to other players in similar leagues and positions is taken under consideration while evaluating players worth.

  25. salparadisenyc

    Totally agree with Jim, Transfermarkt is trash. Its run and created by football enthusiast from around world whom are able to alter as they wish similar to Wikipedia, christ at one point I had Midwest Gun on the Puma sponsored athlete page.

    Banter.

  26. Bamford10

    Jim

    “There is no way to quantify a player’s value.”

    You’re joking, right? This is what executives at every club on the planet do every day. How do you think clubs arrive at a fee for a player? By quantifying the value of the player. As for Transfermarkt, I assume they speak to contacts at clubs, scouts, etc., just like journalists do when they write things like, “the player is valued at an estimated …”. Transfermarkt may have in-house analytical people as well. I don’t know.

    Do you think their valuation for Pepe (£34m) is unfair or inaccurate? If so, what valuation would you assign to him and why? Further, if your valuation differs from Transfermarkt’s, do you think executives at Madrid, PSG, United, City, Bayern, etc. would agree with your valuation? Because that’s how the market works, that’s how market valuation is determined. It’s what the market thinks the player is worth.

  27. Jim Lahey

    @Tom –

    But a lot of these variables you have listed are unquantifiable. Consider “what league”, how do we distinguish the quality between leagues? Is it a way that can be replicated and produce the same results each time or is it personal opinion, like the Premier League is better than La Liga therefore X,Y,Z.

  28. Tom

    Jim
    Maybe it’s trash or isn’t.
    Last time I checked Transfermarkt though, they haven’t given any Covid guidance or political commentary regarding presidential chances for Trump or Biden , so maybe these guys actually specialize at one thing and one thing only, which might just make them a bit more knowledgeable about it than most around these parts.

  29. alexanderhenry

    ES

    Fair points on Covid.

    The government’s response hasn’t been as bad as the Guardian would like most people to believe.
    Boris and co. have made errors but the mitigating circumstances you’ve mentioned are valid.

    I do believe that much of the criticism has been politically motivated and has become part of the rather nasty, counterproductive, post Brexit political discourse in Britain.

  30. G

    “Wenger may not have developed talent as well as he could have (see Walcott, for example)”
    Lets forget the others that he did develop..

  31. Bamford10

    Sal

    Even if it’s just football enthusiasts, it would still tell you what the average avid football watcher thinks of this or that player. Now, that obviously may differ from what executives at this or that club think or what the market at that moment thinks, but that doesn’t mean their current market valuation is “worthless”. I mean, look at Pepe: do you think his valuation has increased, decreased or stayed the same since arriving at Arsenal? I’ll tell you: it has definitely decreased. The only question is by how much. One should obviously take Transfermarkt’s valuations with a grain of salt — I don’t look at them, personally, and I don’t know how professionalized their valuation process is — but I still think they tell you *something*.

    I’ll ask you the same q I asked Jim: do you think their valuation for Pepe (£34m) is unfair or inaccurate? If so, what valuation would you assign to him and why?

  32. Jim Lahey

    @Bamford –

    “You’re joking, right? This is what executives at every club on the planet do every day. How do you think clubs arrive at a fee for a player? By quantifying the value of the player”

    Okay, stop being vague and give me a run-through of the process.

    “Do you think their valuation for Pepe (£34m) is unfair or inaccurate? If so, what valuation would you assign to him and why? ”

    I wouldn’t know, Bamford. I am not a club executive!

  33. Left testicle

    If you were the buying club would value him a lot less than the selling club.

    There are too many variables and unknowns.

  34. Left testicle

    Variables eg if there wer seven clubs after a player he would fetch more money than if one club were after him.

  35. Tom

    Jim
    There are many ways to distinguish a league’s quality.
    One might be how many CL entries go deep into the competition each and every season.
    Another how many international players from top ranking countries play for clubs in said league and so on.

  36. Nelson

    The latest news is that Tierney is allowed to come back to London and expected to be selected tomorrow.. De Bruyne is confirmed to be out. But Sterling may start.

  37. Marc

    Alexander

    “I do believe that much of the criticism has been politically motivated and has become part of the rather nasty, counterproductive, post Brexit political discourse in Britain.”

    Couldn’t agree more.

  38. Tom

    Transfermarkt see Arsenal as the PL sixth most valued squad and I tend to agree, more or less.

    Anyone thinking we are amongst the top four talent wise is gonna have a hell of a time explaining how it’s possible to have one of the best managers ( allegedly)in charge of all this talent and still miss out on top four come May.

  39. Pierre

    G
    “Wenger may not have developed talent as well as he could have (see Walcott, for example)”
    Lets forget the others that he did develop..”

    The question i would ask is , was Walcott a better player at Arsenal or at Everton, at an age when a player is in his prime..

    If the answer is Arsenal (and the stats do suggest that) then maybe Wenger got more out of the player than some would give him credit for.

  40. salparadisenyc

    Bamford

    Transfermarkt calculates value by looking at unsubstantiated contract numbers like worth, length + wages earned coupled with aggregating the valuations of its members then a gives a few empowered community members the final say on determining actual value of player or club.

    I’m not disputing the basics of ranking clubs value, my 9 year old can do that as he does on FIFA, its the actual info thats bogus.

    Fabio Silva a better example than Pepe, had a reported £10m release clause and Wolves spent around £35m for him and now his valuation has doubled on transfermarkt. It’s all about upping your clients value from an agents standpoint and in Fabio’s case clear money laundering form club owners.

  41. Tom

    Name one player who left Arsenal under Wenger and improved.
    Even RVP in his first fantastic United season saw his stats fall marginally.

    Wenger’s problem wasn’t player development.
    It was squad building.

  42. Valentin

    Bamford,

    I think that you already know you have no credibility whatsoever but you should still quit when you are behind.

    Blaming Wenger for Ramsey injury instead of Ryan Shawcross!?

    Soon you are going to blame Wenger for Diaby and Eduardo injuries.

  43. Champagne charlie

    Transfermarkt rates Harry Maguire at 45 million and Mustafi at 10.8 million. Should highlight the opaque nature of relying on them verbatim. They’re an approximation AT BEST and value by its very nature is subjective.

    The exact same group of players can be valued 6 months apart with massive discrepancies down to form alone over the course of a season.

    So what’s the inherent point of a claim we have a squad that’s 6th most valuable if that squad then performs well and finishes the season valued at a much higher rating? Such a wank marke that’s inevitably getting gobbled up by you know who.

    Instead of pointing at Jim and telling him to dance over Pepe’s valuation, how about we get an answer on good old ‘Arry Kane?

    According to you he ‘Will never play for a top club’, ‘not worth even 40 mil’, but your pals at transfermarkt have him valued at 108 million. So either they’re a complete waste of oxygen, or you are….choose wisely.

  44. Bamford10

    Valentin

    I’m not thinking of the leg break; I’m thinking of his later recurring soft-tissue injuries.

    And I said “may” there so as to acknowledge that there is room for difference of opinion and probability on this question.

    You should know, though, that it was Pete’s view — and a fairly dominant view on Le Grove at the time — that Wenger’s (outdated) training regimen was partly to blame for Arsenal being top of the injury table year after year for years.

    Instead of slinging a misplaced insult, maybe just ask me what I was thinking of there? Thanks.

  45. Tom

    CC
    None of my opinions are based on personal feelings towards Arsenal players ,and I support them all and want them to succeed.
    That said, my predicted squad valuation and talent assessment has been tracking closely with the results for the last four years.

    Even before the last TW I predicted we would have a hard time selling any of our players most thought were solid assets we should’ve had easy time selling for profit or at least at a break even mark.

  46. Champagne charlie

    Tom

    You can have that pov, I’ve not challenged that or commented on it beyond a pretty basic assessment that transfermarkt is little more than a professional guesstimate of all things football market related.

    I’m fine with it and see it as a useful resource, but I’ll stop short of holding it up as the beacon of truth on a near impossible subject to tie down in specifics.

    You can have us as 6th most valuable, but what happens when the performances over a season leave us ranked say 4th most valuable come the end? What changed in the same group of players? Were you wrong? Transfermarkt wrong? Or was it just daft to try and glorify the importance of “value” in that sense anyway?

    You put the following:

    “Anyone thinking we are amongst the top four talent wise is gonna have a hell of a time explaining how it’s possible to have one of the best managers ( allegedly)in charge of all this talent and still miss out on top four come May.“

    I think you’re looking at manipulating probabilities to an unrealistic level tbh. You can have a fantastic manager, fantastic team, and still finish outside top 4 via numerous external/internal influences. The nature of the game is interesting largely due to the level of unpredictability it offers. So to suggest there’d be some intense explanation due on us missing top 4 )if you’re of the belief we’ve a top 4 squad) is a bit of a shortsighted assessment imo. You win little on paper.

  47. Valentin

    Bamford,

    Ramsey was not recurrently injured, it took much longer than people anticipated to recover from a double leg break.
    The issue with Wilshere was not soft tissue, but joint issues that’s why WestHam has given up on him. His ankle are made of glasses. The biggest mistake that Wenger did with him is not having a specialist coach to teach him basic self preservation technique. He never learned to protect himself and to release quicker the ball.
    Tendon do not behave like muscle. Once one is broken, it need surgery and that weakness is there for ever. In some joint it is possible to compensate by extra muscle, but in some it isn’t.
    Diaby, Eduardo had leg broken, and tendon injuries. They never recovered from those. Cazorla was the same, his foot was nearly cut into by the force of the impact and then gangrene set in and he nearly got amputated. There is a lot Wenger could do on that.

    For somebody claiming to be a student of the beautiful game, you come with some basic misunderstanding of sport injuries.

  48. Bamford10

    Churlish

    “According to you he ‘Will never play for a top club’, ‘not worth even 40 mil’, but your pals at transfermarkt have him valued at 108 million.”

    Well, you’ve actually undermined your point: you think Kane is worth 100m; so too does Transfermarkt. To the extent that your assessments have any merit — you certainly think so — this would be evidence (as far as you are concerned) in favor of Transfermarkt’s valuations. After all, they agree with you on Kane.

    I happen not to agree with them (and maybe even the current market) re Kane. I think he’s an excellent player, but I probably wouldn’t pay more than 60m for him on account of his lack of athleticism, his age and his injury record. To each his own, I guess.

    But again, given that Transfermarkt’s valuation of Kane tracks with your own, it’s a little strange for you to cite it, given that it contradicts your implicit contention that their valuations are worthless.

    Finally, I said I didn’t think Kane would ever be a regular starter for a top club; I didn’t say he’d never *play* for a top club. And I said (in a very different market) that I personally thought he was worth around 40m; I didn’t say he *wasn’t even* worth 40m. So you’ve misrepresented those points.

  49. Tom

    CC
    I don’t think Arsenal squad valuation will move up above , say, Chelsea even if we finish a couple of places above them. I don’t think Transfermarkt works that way( knee jerk).
    I said it before and I’ll say it again, if Arteta makes top four with this squad he will have over achieved.

  50. Tom

    ‘You can have that pov, I’ve not challenged that or commented on it beyond a pretty basic assessment that transfermarkt is little more than a professional guesstimate of all things football market related.‘

    CC, I never said it was anything more than that.

  51. Pierre

    No Debruyne and no strikers for city is a bonus, however they do have Sterling , Mahrez and Bernado Silva .

    I’m sure Arteta has a plan to minimise their effect on the game..
    Obviously; they have no real threat in the air so i would imagine they’ll with play a similar way as Arsenal did under wenger , with very few crosses in the air , lots of cutbacks from the byline and low crosses to the mear posts.

    This being so , we must make sure the near post is covered at all times and our defensive midfielders are positioned to intercept the cut backs.

    Cover these areas and don’t make any schoolboy errors and we should be OK .

    Should be an ideal game for leno to show hos capabilities..

  52. Bamford10

    Pierre

    “The question I would ask is: was Walcott a better player at Arsenal or at Everton, at an age when a player is in his prime?”

    Well, you could ask that question, but I think the better question is: given what Walcott possessed (and didn’t possess) at 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, did he develop (at Arsenal, under Wenger) as fully or as well as he could have? did Wenger help Walcott to add things to his game that he lacked? did Walcott become the player he could have become or should have become? For me, the answer is ‘no’. Walcott had pace but he didn’t have enough tricks in his bag dribbling-wise. This is essential to the wide forward. Did Wenger work to develop this side of Walcott’s game? If he did, nothing came of it. Walcott was just as limited a dribbler when he left the club as he was at 20.

    I could say something similar about Walcott’s ill-managed stint at CF. Did Wenger actually help Walcott develop the skill-set required of a CF, or did he just insert him there for a handful of games? The latter.

    And Walcott is not the only player Wenger failed in terms of development. Not even close. Wenger’s laissez-faire approach worked with geniuses and the already fully-formed. It did not work many, many others.

  53. Arsnil

    Busy night for Arsene tonight. He’s on the Graham Norton Show and also a guest on the Late Late Show on RTE 1. What’s he flogging? He got a book coming out?

  54. Bamford10

    “Transfermarkt is little more than a professional guesstimate of all things football market related.”

    I think this is a fair assessment. My point was that its valuations aren’t “arbitrary” or “worthless,” as some were suggesting above. Its valuations have some merit but not absolute merit.

  55. Champagne charlie

    Banford
    I’ve done no such thing because I’m not daft enough to place a glass ceiling on something like a player valuation when I fully comprehend the very subjective nature of “value” itself – that’s left to you.

    That said, of course you’d try to turn things on their head with bogus rhetoric spoken on my behalf whilst simultaneously quoting “misrepresentation” on my part lol. Irony must be such a hot potato for you.

    Tom
    Check out the links I posted that cite the greatest increases/decreases in value since Jan 1st 2020. There’s some significant changes, and how much football has realistically been played in that period? You’re probably right, but by the nature of the valuations it’s not outside the realms to see shuffling along ‘Europe’s top 20’ etc.

    Also, I’m not saying that’s your view of their figures per say, I’m saying I’m against the use of it as gospel in general speak. I appreciate you’re not leaning on them like others choose to in pursuit of their agendas. Apologies if that was unclear.

  56. Bamford10

    Pierre

    “The question I would ask is: was Walcott a better player at Arsenal or at Everton, at an age when a player is in his prime?”

    Also, Everton signed Walcott when he was two months from his 29th birthday. If you were suggesting that they had him in his prime years and we did not, I don’t think that’s quite right.

  57. Pierre

    Bamford
    “And Walcott is not the only player Wenger failed in terms of development. Not even close. Wenger’s laissez-faire approach worked with geniuses and the already fully-formed. It did not work many, many others.”

    I reckon you’re flogging a dead horse here.
    Good luck.

  58. Marc

    Walcott’s gone and so is Wenger.

    Can’t say I miss either – I’m more interested in our current younger wide players like Saka and Pepe.

  59. Aasim

    With Partey – a midfield destroyer and an opposition obliterator, next to him, could we finally see a reinvigorated and reformed, the once promised Pirloisqe Xhaka for us, who played for Switzerland against Germany

  60. AFC Forever

    Marc, Left Testicle
    ” I’ve refused to watch BBC news for years – you might as well just read Socialist Worker but this year Sky News has gotten even worse”

    This.

    Don’t bother with BBC it’s the ministry of untruths. Since Comcast bought Sky it’s become woke central.

  61. AFC Forever

    Dissenter

    I don’t care who Spuds sign, I really couldn’t give a monkey. Can’t stand the club or that despicable Manager of theirs. They’ve bought some Championship defender from.Swansea.

    Hardly ThomasPartey…..!!!!!

  62. AFC Forever

    Bamford,

    The level of hate you display is quite worrying. All you go on about is Wenger, endlessly,very day. He has gone mate, move on stop forcing your opinions on everyone. Go to your own teams blog to do that.

    Also, stop playing the “I know best card” because you get so much wrong. You said Iheanacho & Benteke were better than Giroud, which was as bizarre as it was stupid. Giroud was another of those you had an obsessional hatred for, like Wenger.. And as for claiming Berahino was better than Mane, shake your head. Don’t worry, there’s not enough brain matter to dislodge.

  63. Marc

    AFC

    “Since Comcast bought Sky it’s become woke central.”

    Is that what it is? This year Sky News has gotten worse and worse problem is there’s no domestic news channel now that’s watchable.

  64. Marko

    “Since Comcast bought Sky it’s become woke central.”

    What does that even mean? Isn’t it the news job to be “woke”. It’s not because there’s female reporters is it? A woman reading the news I suppose makes some guys feel inadequate

  65. Ashburton

    Our window vrs spurs window is an absolute shambles. We sign a midfield plodder and we spunk in our underwear!!!!! They get a top euro goal scoring forward, Bale, brilliant Spain number 1 left back all for the pepe money and proven prem midfield anour man, 2nd best right back in the league too. Wtf.

  66. Bamford10

    Dissenter

    Right, except even what you’ve said there isn’t totally right. It’s not a matter of “disliking” Wenger. It’s a matter of being critical of him. I didn’t say what I said above because I “dislike” Wenger; I said it because I think it’s true. We have a less valuable squad today than we might otherwise have had in large part because of Arsene Wenger and his failings. I don’t say this because I “hate” Arsene Wenger; I say it because it’s true.

  67. Pierre

    Ashburton

    I think spurs have done business for the here and now and in all honesty , is quite impressive…

    I like the 2 full backs and Bale is top top quality, I also like le celso..

    It’s easy to be critical of Arsenal’s window but i I like to think we have addressed 2 problem areas , CM ( Partey) and CB (Gabriel) .

    What Arteta needs to do now is to try and get a tune out of Pepe , look at his positives of which he has many and allow him to take some risks with the ball .

    Players like Salah and Debruyne are allowed to lose possession by their managers as wenger allowed Sanchez to be wasteful because their positives far outweigh their negatives.

    Atm Pepe’s negatives ourweigh the positives but that can change , Arteta needs to address the balance .

    A good result tomorrow will do wonders for the team’s confidence .

  68. Bamford10

    Ashburton

    One thing to take solace in is that Madrid have a buy-back clause on Reguilon that allows them to buy him back next season or the following for £40m. Reports are they are highly likely to do this. So at least there’s a chance Reguilon isn’t theirs long-term — and he’s probably their best signing.

    If Joe Rodon is good, though, he improves them considerably in my book, as his signing means Mourinho doesn’t have to start Dier as one of his two CB’s, which was a big weakness for them, IMO.

  69. Marko

    If Joe Rodon is good, though, he improves them considerably in my book

    Doesn’t know if a player is good or not but says that he improves them considerably. Wow

  70. Ashburton

    The buy back doesn’t kick in until after next season I heard. Facts are they now have 2 fullbacks better then ours… Their full backs were a weak point. The front 3 we can’t get near either. We seem easy pleased these days with as a say a low wage athletico midfielder and a central defender so bad we need to loan him too a lower division despite blowing 20 plus million on him!!! I worry about Gabriel too, why wasn’t he used against Liverpool to see how he fairs? I suspect he’s not as good as we’d hoped.

  71. Ashburton

    6th place at best this year, Everton too have shown some ambition, we have 350k a wekk sitting there rotting away. We have a poor squad with some real quality in 3 or 4 positions… Suppose its better then last years 8th. So frustrating as I feel we have a good manager on board.

  72. Bamford10

    Some updates on City—

    Pep on Aguero:

    “Tomorrow we will train in the morning and decide if he is fit. He has trained very well the past few days, but we can’t forget he was out for three or four months. We will see.”

    Raheem Sterling on Raheem Sterling:

    “I’m getting back to full fitness. I should be OK and I feel fine to play against Arsenal.”

    City fan who seems to know what he’s talking about thinks their XI will be:

    Ederson, Walker, Dias, Laporte, Cancelo, Rodri, Foden, Silva, Sterling, Mahrez, Aguero

    But that inclusion of Aguero might be a fan’s wishful thinking.

  73. Ashburton

    On the buy back that’s good news but they have him now and he’s better then our fullbacks.re centre backs they still have Toby who’s as good as any central defender in the league on his day, hopefully this Wales defender isn’t that good although my uncle supports them and says he has the lot. .. Anyway fuck spuds but Jesus they have a scary squad,

  74. Guns of SF

    I think Aguero plays… pep playing mind games. I am sure he is ready to play….

    Anyhow, i anticipate the same 3-4-3 soak up the pressure formation

    I also hope KT plays

  75. Sid

    Covid19 has exposed the poverty in G8 countries

    1. Poor housing- people living in human cages, there are large open spaces in Africa, even people living in urban slums can escape to the countryside homes.

    2. Poor diet – fast foods, GMO foods

    3. Poor healthcare systems that value profit over humanity, big PHARMA synthetic medicine vs natural remedies.

  76. TR7

    The guy who beheaded his teacher in France was only 18. Terrifying fact is that there are others who would do the same,to avenge the so called sin of blasphemy.They exist across the world. How does a civilised world reconcile to that? But hush. We can’t have this conversation, it’s racist after all.

  77. Captain Tierney

    Walcott never developed to his full potential. Wenger here is partially to blame but he isn’t the only culprit. The biggest culprit ofc is the player himself who never really added to his game. Maybe Wenger could have helped him here but at the end of the day its up to the player.

    Determining a player’s value is near impossible. Its very subjective and depends on a ton if factors. What Transfermarkt does is try to get to a very good estimate by considering all the various factors like quality of the league, age, stats, transfer fee paid for him, last 6 months to 12 months form, etc.
    Ofc they are not perfect and miss the mark sometimes (eg. Valuing Fabio Silva at 35 mil and Edoaurd at 15 mil) but their values are usually widely accepted and employs a good amount of research.

    Where are Spuds getting all the money from?

    Also the amount of hate Wenger gets here is unwarranted.

  78. Tom

    TR7, yea but the 72 virgins are waiting.
    Besides whoever said we live in a civilized society?
    The world is being run by pedophiles who drink blood of their victims while engaging in sex orgies in basements of pizza joints. Everyone knows that.

  79. Tee

    How accurate is this?

    Arsenal Wages 2020/21 via sportsrac.com

    Mesut Ozil (annual salary: £18.2m/weekly salary: £350,000)

    Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang, Thomas Partey (£13m/£250,000)

    Willian (£10m/£192,000)

    Alexandre Lacazette (£9.4m/£182,000)

    Hector Bellerin (£5.7m/£110,000)

    David Luiz, Bernd Leno, Saed Kolasinac, Nicolas Pepe, Granit Xhaka (£5.2m/ £100,000)

    Sokratis (£4.7m/£92,000)

    Gabriel Martinelli, Shkodran Mustafi (£4.6m/£90,000)

    Kieran Tierney (£4.2m/£80,000)

    Dani Ceballos (£2.7m/£51,000)

    Calum Chambers, Mohammed Elneny (£2.6m/£50,000)

    William Saliba (£2m/£40,000)

    Ainsley Maitland-Niles (£1.8m/£35,000)

    Rob Holding (£1.3m/£25,000)

    Joe Willock (£1m/£20,000)

    Reiss Nelson (£780,000/£15,000)

    Matt Macey, Bukayo Saka (£520,000/£10,000)

  80. Dream10

    Walcott overachieved relative to amount of talent he has. He was overhyped from the start. His pace and movement off the ball were his meal ticket. Scored regularly against the major sides and played a decent part in Arsenal being a CL side for the majority of his career. He doesn’t have half the talent of wide players like Mané, Salah, Sterling, Hudson-Odoi and Sancho. A 23 year old Walcott would start ahead of Willian and Pépé. A player who maximised his career

  81. Dream10

    Don’t know about Martinelli but the Willian one I can believe. Arsenal briefed the press that he is on 100k a week. The statsbomb fella, who annoys Arsenal fans because of his pessimistic outlook (has been right recently), said he heard the Willian’s wages were closer to 200k per week. Makes sense for Edu/Vinai/Sanllehi to brief the Arsenal covering journos that he is on a lower number to make themselves look good.

  82. Graham62

    Captain Tierney

    For me personally, it was never hate but I did grow to disrespect him.

    My main gripe was mainly based on the absolute bewilderment and frustration that so many fans stood by him for so long because of the great things he achieved between 1996-2006. For many of these fans this had nothing to do with loyalty either. It was the fear of change and what would happen to the club if Wenger left.

    I defy anyone on here to come out and say that they didn’t feel exasperated and frustrated long before he left and I’m not talking 2015 onwards. I’m talking 2008 onwards (earlier for some fans). Those fans who always gave him the benefit of the doubt are lying when they say they never felt this.

    There were so many other factors involved but again, for me personally, it was all based on the obvious problems that we all saw, namely the inabilities of Wenger to sort out our persistent brittleness year in year out. Playing pretty football but being so naive defensively became our trademark as a team. We became a laughing stock in many respects.

    Wenger had more than enough opportunities to rectify matters, but he never did. This must have been exasperating for our better players and it was of little surprise to me that they upped and left. Can you really blame them.

    Yes, Chelski and MC came along with their sugar daddies but rather than adapt, Wenger used this as yet another excuse. We went from being a team that everyone feared, to a soft touch when it really mattered. I know that, you know that, in fact every Arsenal fan knew it.

    Those on here who say I am an “entitled fan” or an “obsessive” are hiding away from their own guilt and blindness to the obvious. This was never about blaming Emery or Arteta for that matter, it was all based on the simple fact that Arsene Wenger overstayed his welcome by a considerable margin.

    Wenger’s narcissistic tendencies went against us big time and because of this I will never see him in quite the same light as other fans do.

    He does deserve a statue though.

  83. AFC Forever

    Graham62

    “Wenger should get a statue”

    Absolutely. Nobody should ever forget the unbelievable success, the attacking football or the players he bought & developed. The Invincibles was some achievement unmatched by club’s with considerably more resources.

    Criticism and Praise in equal measure shows good character and an ability to reason. Like you I gave him a hard time for a while, justifiably. However, I always respected his successes & remained grateful for them Those who go out of their way in an attempt to airbrush out Wengers successes, the players he developed & claim the disgusting tackles on Ramsey, Eduardo, Diaby etc were his fault is such bollocks it is obvious signs of trolling.

  84. Useroz

    The Le Grove ecosystem is certainly more interesting and differentiated in the blog world when we have abilities and interests in switching un and out of topics at will.

    Today for example devotes coverage to Walcott more than KdB, and discuss Wenger’ memoir/ tactics rather than what Arteta may do when the City game is 8 hours away!

    Re salaries from sportrac. Most seem to look sensible but Saka surely earns mote than 10k, and deservedly so, after contract extension and Martinelli can’t be in 90k, etc.

    Willian’ case is probably the mist controversial. From 150 ton220k all been talked about in the media. We’d obviously want it at the low end but fact is only the club and player et al know. Personally hope that Arsenal isnt stupid enough to give 200k+ to a 31yo that’s not clise to WC level. But then, people do stupid things especially when under pressure. Think Ozil @350k…

    Definitely Partey time today! Bravo!

    Sufficient training or not, can’t see Partey doing any worse than Elneny. If Arteta continues to appear to be too conservative, we’d have inherent roadblocks in our revival.

    St Elenine’ boss is reportedly highly critical of our treatment of Saliba and alludes to ’financials?? That’s intriguing, unless he’s talkinh about the loan that fell through. I do find the Saliba situation baffling unless there are deal breakers we don’t know.

  85. Dream10

    Prediction
    City 4 or 5 – Arsenal 1

    We are consistently being outshot with limited offensive output. Unfortunately, I think we are due a hammering sooner or later. Hope I am wrong

  86. AFC Forever

    Tough game. Be interesting to see how Partey fits in today, from bench or as a starter.

    Dream, 5-1 City, that’s ridiculous because most of their attacking threat is created by Dr Bruyne. It’s another test because we are still a work in progress and Arteta hasn’t had Pep’s time to build a side. However, the improvement without the ball has made us harder to create against, even if it has affected our own creativity.

    City will leave gaps and that’s their Achilles heel. A tight game, I think it’s likely to be a draw but I’m an optimist so 2-1 Arsenal, Pepe winner.

  87. Dream10

    AFC Forever

    If I’m not wrong, De Bruyne has missed a couple of games against us in the last few years and City beat us with relative ease

  88. Pierre

    AFC forever
    “Graham…Criticism and Praise in equal measure shows good character and an ability to reason.”.

    Ha ha …”ability to reason” …Graham

    it must have been through gritted teeth that Graham said Wenger deserves a statue, that or a moment of weakness..

    All in jest Graham, have a good day.

  89. Marc

    AFC

    I’m guessing Arteta will go 3-4-3 so can see Arteta starting with Xhaka (why for the love of god) and either Elneny or Ceballos. I expect to see Partey come on from the bench at some point, would love to see us start with Partey and Ceballos though.

  90. TR7

    Arteta has a good understanding of how City play and strengths and weaknesses of City players. I am expecting a very good game of football today.

  91. Pierre

    A good time to play city i reckon .

    Aguero and Sterling will not be firing on all cylinders…no Debruyne, which means no leader on the pitch..no Jesus .

    City are vulnerable at the back, a draw is the least we can hope for……

    I’m hoping Arteta is brave in his selection and plays Pepe and Partey with Aubameyang up top and Saka on tha left.

    Willian can sit this one out as he has been poor since the first game of the season, looks a yard off the pace.

  92. Keith Sanderson

    Chaps..

    Let’s Partey on down!

    What formation. / team would you guys like us to go with now Partey is onboard.

    I know it may take a while to adjust but I would like to see this one given a crack.

    Leno
    Bell, Luiz, Gabriel, Tierney
    Ceb, Partey
    Pepe, Willian (no.10), Saka
    Auba

    Willian has struggled on the flank & does not have the pace. I think he was bought to play behind the main striker so would like to see it given a go. The pace we have with Saka, Pepe & Auba would cause any team problems & have defences shitting it.

    What do you think.

  93. Captain Tierney

    Graham

    I too think Wenger should have left early. Maybe after 2014 or 2015 i.e. after 10 or 11 years of the PL drought.

    If you see the recent developments you’ll maybe understand
    -The stadium cost nearly twice of what was estimated.
    -Emirates ripped us off seeing we were desperate for funds.
    -We were earning about 20-25 mil for the stadium naming rights and main shirt sponsorship combined. And the deal was long term like 8-10 yrs long.
    -The party that gave us the loan made Wenger sign for long term as one of its demands
    -This meant we had to sell players as and when required and wr couldn’t retain our best talents because we couldn’t afford their wages. This was a major handicap when competing against the likes of ManU, Chelsea and City who were ripe with money. Legal and illegal.
    -Lets not forget Arsene had offers from Barca, Juve, Barca in this period.
    -Ivan finally restructured the deal with Emirates in 2012 I think.
    -After that we started seeing the club invest much more than the past 6 or 7 years.

    Could Wenger have done better after that or leave because he couldn’t. Maybe yes. But people hate him for not investing in the club, being stubborn, etc etc without knowing all the details.

  94. Graham62

    Captain

    Sorry, but that’s eight excuses.

    By the way, we had money. It’s just that Wenger wasted it on far too many substandard players, rather than rewarding the better ones.

    Secondly, and significantly as far as I’m concerned, our better players would have probably stayed if actions were taken to solve our predictable on field weaknesses. Believe it or not, it wasn’t just about money for some of them.

    Cheers.

  95. andy1886

    Auba is due a goal if he gets any service. If we took a more positive approach I’d fancy us to win however MA is likely to go conservative (no Partey starting) which leaves me more inclined to see a 2-2 draw.

    Given that Leicester spanked them it’d be shame if we didn’t take an opportunity to turn them over in their own back yard.

  96. Radio Raheem

    It is quite refreshing to go into these big matches feeling like we have a chance. There isn’t the feeling of an inevitable defeat or battering, quite a change in a relatively short time span.

    In sauce we trust.

  97. Receding Hairline

    Considering the circumstances and City’s wretched form the bookies still leaning heavily towards a city win. Some also think a high scoring encounter is on the cards.
    I beg to differ

    I predict a tight Arsenal win or draw.

    Everton vs Liverpool also looks like a score draw

  98. Marc

    We need to be careful of a backlash from City today – they’ve looked out of sorts for a while now but more dropped points begins to look like a slump in form.

    Is there any news on whether Tierney is available?

  99. Receding Hairline

    Marc we have to watch the poor first half’s which have been a problem. Good thing is they haven’t been scoring enough lately so its an evenly balanced game to me. An Aguero less city just isn’t the same side IMHO

  100. Marc

    Receding

    For a team that’s spent so much money they do seem to have areas of the pitch where they don’t really have decent back up.

    I’d like to see us set up to hit them on the break with pace – Auba, Saka, Pepe etc.