Virgil van Dijk and William Saliba parallels are interesting

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Well, you know it’s a sign of the non-banter era when the biggest international break debate is whether or not there’s a conspiracy against William Saliba because the club wants to loan him to a Championship team.

A few things I wanted to clarify.

Talent

I think he’ll be a top player. The signing, as a standalone investment, was kind of wild, but I think his first season in Ligue 1 showed that he has the tools to make it big for us at some point.

Business

Although I think the deal was bad business, I don’t think it was failed business. This should be a good signing. My overarching point was that signing him was a little bit like spending $16k of your £18k home-improvement budget on beer cooler… before you’ve addressed the fact you don’t have a roof or running water.

Ligue 1 Quality

I 100% believe the Championship slander is off the mark. It’s a very strong league that consistently produces top, top talent. Ligue 1 is superior technically, because France, as a general rule of thumb, does its shit right. However, there’s a reason only one teenage centre back managed more than 300 minutes of football in the last 4 seasons in the Premier League… because it is far more competitive. In France, nine U20 players were given +600 minutes (thank you @GiantGooner), why? Because it doesn’t boast the same pound for pound quality as the Premier League… and I think you’d find that our top Championship clubs would battle it out in the top 8 in Ligue 1.

Generational Stuff

People keep batting around the notion of ‘generational talent’, it’s the new hot thing to talk about. However, it’s worth reading up on the early years of VVD. Things weren’t going off for him at 19 years old. He was apparently ‘overtired’ from playing a season at Willem II reserves. Even more interesting than that, and something that might be a consdieration for Saliba is this little snippet from when the player was 17 years old.

Van Dijk’s long rise began the summer he turned 17, in 2008, when he shot up 18 centimeters (7 inches) in height. Before then, Van Dijk has admitted to the BBC, he was a slow, short right-back with an unstable knee, not a player who was good enough to dominate as a central defender.

Saliba is 6ft4, has a huge frame, and he’s only 19 (debuted younger). That’s rapid growth. That sometimes comes with challenges that are best ironed out outside a top 4 challenging team in the Premier League.

Back to VVD, things eventually clicked at Groningen. He then moved to… Celtic. He left Celtic at 24 to go to Southampton. This generational talent didn’t make it to Liverpool until he was 27 years old. Why am I telling you this? Because we need to drop the idea that this loan says anything about Saliba’s future, and we need to take seriously the reality that it is VERY hard to make it as a young centre back at a big club.

MOVING ON…

The Premier League announced that we, the fans, can watch all the games this season. The games that aren’t shown on the normal channels can be purchased for £14.95. Wow, what a treat?!

This is a dreadful decision that reads like it has been made by a group of people that would be more likely to know the exact price of an AP Royal Oak, than that of a pint of milk.

The pricing structure makes so little sense on so many levels. Firstly, shouldn’t the league be looking to draw in new customers, versus hammering people you know will already pay £20 for a ticket (the captives)? The price point is so high, you immediately rule out casual fans from the party, that’s money only obsessives pay.

Also, is that sort of price point not a bit detached from humanity in an era of mass unemployment? There aren’t many places to find joy right now. Food, booze, and sport is where I get my kicks. Making football really expensive right now seems really unfair. It’s also counter-productive, because the thing with the internet, is if people think the price is too high, they simply find it for free. The music industry learned that the hard way, then Spotify reimagined its structure for the internet. I’m not sure why the Premier League thinks gouging fans is a smart move?

£5 would be fair. £7.50 would be pricey. £10 for me would be a monthly subscription. £14.95 is just a rip off… it is especially jarring when you consider clubs just dropped £1.2b on players. Between them, the couldn’t come to arrangement to calm down the pricetags and wages of players… so they just dumped the bill on the fans.

I speak out of both sides of my mouth because the reality is I love the signings and I’ll pay the price of the games… but as always, it’s a losing game to be a fan. Still, at least we can all be skint watching Thomas Partey beating the press.

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raptora

Graham to answer your question: “It’s difficult when you play against someone on the court like he is not well or injured,” Tommy Haas told Germany’s Sport1 television. “I find no one does this better than Murray. Sometimes he looks like he can barely move, then comes the trainer and he moves like a cat. I believe everyone knows this. People talk about it in the locker room. Maybe he would like to take some pressure off himself. He tells himself, ‘Maybe I have a niggle or a problem, I’m not feeling too well but I’m going to try it… Read more »

Carts

Pedro

“My hope is that after this election, we return to boring politics. No more populists or reality TV stars. Just good politicians, with principles, and good ideas.”

I’ve got a lot of time for you, P, but this ain’t it, chief.

Not even close.

Rich

Pedro Respectfully I think you’re underplaying the effects of the Marxist rioting in democrat run states. Rational people will have watched while democrats sat idle, while anarchists ran mob rule. And will have simply come to the conclusion, f*ck that, Trump is a tw*t, but under no circumstance do I want that coming to a City near me, You’re seeing in LA and NYC, the money is leaving, people are getting the hell out of dodge. Same with London, if they don’t get hold of the crime epidemic? The wealth creators will up sticks, taking their jobs and their money… Read more »

Dissenter

Marc is one off this closet Trump supporters. He won’t come out in the open because even he is embarrassed bye the sheer buffoonery of his existence. To the nice fella who stated that Biden’s victory will be the beginning of America’s decline Where have you been this last four years as the US spurned it’s allies and embraced it’s natural enemies? The US is on the wrong side of the global response to covid-19, has pulled out of WHO and won’t even contribute towards a vaccine for poorer countries. In any case the real American decline started with the… Read more »

Dissenter

Marc is one of these closet Trump supporters.

Rich

Marc

We’ll likely not know who’s won until 7 days after the election.

When you look at how open to fraud the voting system is, all we can hope for is an outright winner.

I’m sticking with Trump on the day, Democrats sneaking it, once postal voting is counted.

Then anarchy.

The problem with people like Pedro, is they’re so entrapped in their own echo chamber, of people who think like they do, watch the same tv stations, read the same newspapers, that they’ve not even considered this time they might be wrong,,,,

Yet again…..

Jamie

Nobody’s leaving London either.

Property prices in London have risen above inflation over the last year. They’ve even risen since the beginning of lockdown.

If there was an exodus, prices would go down not up.

Jamie

‘Then anarchy’

The hysterics on here today. Bananas.

Rich

Pedro

If you live in NYC? Look at the crime rates, they’re skyrocketing.

You can’t blame republicans for what happens in democrat run states, the reality is, democrats have sat idle, handicapped the police, and allowed a bunch of cultural Marxists to run riot.

Intriguingly as soon as the rioting started effecting Biden negatively in the polls, the rioting stopped.

Dissenter

Rich “When you look at how open to fraud the voting system is, all we can hope for is an outright winner.” Honestly, where do you live? I ask because you’re so damn ignorant of how mail-in vote works in the states. It’s almost impossible to perpetuate it because there are so many levels of security to overcome.The rate of vote nullification when done by mail is very high because everything has to be crossed to a ‘t’ for the vote to get counted. It is no more open to fraud than voting in person. It seems you’re getting your… Read more »

Dissenter

Rich is one of those people living in the alternate universe of infowars and every damn lying media that’s possible.

WengerEagle

‘New York is shit if you can’t got to bars and eat out, so they’ve all gone to second homes.’

Same can be applied to any major city really. Interesting isn’t it, when no businesses are open major cities morph into uncomfortable, claustrophobic and overcrowded wasteland full of disgruntled inhabitants.

Marc

Dissenter

I don’t support either candidate in the US election – my strongest opinion is what happened to credible candidates?

Obama was meh, W Bush was poor, Clinton was fucking awful – the last time you guys had a President who wasn’t piss poor was Bush Senior and he didn’t exactly light the world up.

Nixon was a crook but was twice the man and politician compared to modern times.

Carts

Politics/politicians have proven to be anything but with principled, and with good idea.

It’s all hot air, for the most part; and self-preservation.

But I get why you’d think Biden usurping Trump does more good than bad, however, let’s realise that the bar is on the floor.

Rich

Jamie. House prices are easy to explain. It’s basic economics, supply and demand. If you’re population is going up by 500,000 p/a, and interest rates are at an all time low, along with the stamp duty freeze? Then you have the demand, which increases house prices, it’s unsustainable longer term, because house prices have already been pushed out of reach of the working and much of the middle class, particularly in heavily populated cities. There’s also been a surge in people from Hong Kong fleeing, and setting up camp here in the UK, highly entrepreneurial Hong Kongers are exactly the… Read more »

Guns of SF

Pedro, nice posts in the last 30 mins. spot on… Dump is on his last legs. Landslide Biden victory. I am also more concerned about the senate race, which in some states is 50 50 right now. Dems can win a landslide potentially like the Republicans did in 2016. I agree, the doom scrolling I do on my phone nightly is too much . Trump has impacted the US in the worst way I have ever seen. A spiraling narcissist who stands outside the white house window like Musollni trying to soak it all in before the inevitable loss. I… Read more »

Guns of SF

I cannot wait for boring again. Biden the bore… Ill take that any day to dumb and stupid

Dissenter

Marc
What do you mean by credible candidate?
Biden is no less credible that the UK prime minister who’s a clown now trying to find redemption.
It may not have occurred to you but peopler just want a regular human being to lead them , one that they can relate to with his flaws and all.
It’s not a reality TV show, it’s an election to elect a president.

What do you mean by credibility?
Are you confusing this with likability?

raptora

Weagle: “when no businesses are open major cities morph into uncomfortable, claustrophobic and overcrowded wasteland full of disgruntled inhabitants”

So well said.
It’s valid regardless of what’s open and what’s not. Bars and restaurants just add a bit of much needed happiness to a population usually on the edge.

Marc

The big question is what happens if Trump refuses to accept the outcome if if wins on the day but the postal vote sends it the other way.

Are there historical precedents that will start a process? Or are we talking about an effective Military Coup in the US to remove him?

Dissenter

Guns if SF
Exactly, I want the most boring person to be president. I want a geriatric who’s not ashamed to be geriatric to be president.
I’m sick and tired of a narcissistic man child tweeting to win every damn news cycle. I want the government out my life.

Guns of SF

Marc,

NO need to worry. A landslide defeat will render all this theories null.

Landslide defeat coming for Trump.

As Sid says,

Im telling you this for free!

Tom

“Trump was nailed on to win the presidential election once again before the Chinese virus created mayhem all around the world including in the USA. He is not in a strong position anymore but luckily for him Biden just like crooked Hillary is a weak candidate. It will be close contest. I will be ridiculed for this perhaps but I hope Trump wins again.“ ———- You should be ridiculed but not for the reasons you think. I know plenty of people who will vote for him again for the same reasons they did four years ago: tax cuts , tax… Read more »

Dissenter

Marc
“The big question is what happens if Trump refuses to accept the outcome if if wins on the day but the postal vote sends it the other way.”

Oh he will, I have zero doubts that he will.
At the end of the day, America trumps Trump. He will see no meaningful human being stand behind him when he loses, maybe the crazies will stick by him.

Marc

Dissenter

I mean leaders with morals and gravitas. From an outside view of America none of the recent candidates come close to Reagan, Nixon, LBJ, Kennedy etc etc. The crazy thing is so many great leaders carried fundamental flaws.

It does seem to be something that’s not solely an American problem.

London gunner

Dissenter

WHO is a corrupt organisation that serves the overloads china.

Trump pulling out was for the best. Also its a fact nato have been screwing over America for a long time so it makes sense for him to threaten to leave.

Trump before corona created the strongest economy and even during this crisis has managed a major middle Eastern peace treaty also unlike his predecessors managed to completely avoid pointless foreign wars.

By nearly all account he has been a huge success and this is coming from a leftwing guy who votes for Labour.

Guns of SF

My man was Bernie Sanders, but Biden gets my vote. Boring Biden…. not stellar but as Pedro said, someone to bring the country back to stable for now. Someone willing to take on the Pandemic first and foremost as he understands that is impacting all aspects of life.

Marc

Pedro

Again I’ll make clear I’m watching from the outside but ” it doesn’t really matter what he accepts and doesn’t accept. If he loses, he’ll be gone in Jan.” when you look at some of the stories about how W Bush “won” with major issues on voting in (I think it was) Florida etc I’m not so sure it’s so clean cut.

Dissenter

Marc
“Obama was meh, W Bush was poor, Clinton was fucking awful – the last time you guys had a President who wasn’t piss poor was Bush Senior and he didn’t exactly light the world up.”

Now I know you’re conflating credibility with like-ability from a UK perspective.

Marc

Pedro

” Contesting is different to refusing to leave office.”

This is Trump we’re talking about – nothing he does would surprise me.

Guns of SF

London
You kinda sound like a conservative to me. Sorry but anyone who wants Trump to win, cannot be a liberal or lefty in my opinion.
China or Nato or WHO, citizens are suffering due to Trump.

Conservatives are voting against him in numbers.
mark my words, landslide defeat

Marc

Dissenter

No it’s not likability – it’s a view from across the Atlantic on what these guy’s did or didn’t do, domestic performance is not something I can give a view on as I’m not there or wasn’t there to comment on it.

Marc

“Just like how they presendtial candidates dropped out and prevented the people’s choice bernie sanders from winning.”

The day the US elects a proper socialist is the day I say something nice about Pedro.

Ain’t never gonna happen

Marc

ever not never!!”

Luteo Guenreira

I’ve lived in a lot of places, different countries, currently living in Los Angeles. Rich needs to stop relying on the computer to form his world view and go out and meet some real people. Maybe in a diaspora of colours even. He seriously could not be more wrong about what it’s like here. But then again there’s plenty of Americans who actually live here and are equally clueless, so it’s not too surprising I guess. It’s what still gives Trump a chance. In 2016 I think America felt like they couldn’t slide that far backwards to electing Trump after… Read more »

Guns of SF

Trump is only a figurehead,
McConnell, Graham and others are really running the show…

Trump was a democrat at one point.

Trump is about trump… $

despise him, disgusting individual.

London gunner

Guns of SF

I am just utterly sick of nany Pelosi and the Biden gang. I think they keep black people and people of colour in a weakned position in order to keep them malleable for votes.

Personally I was pretty devastated when bernie lost i think he could have been the next fdr and really changed America and even the world for the better.

Dissenter

London -WHO is a corrupt organisation that serves the overloads china. FALSE WHO didn’t hide anything. Trumop knew everything they knew in January and February 2020. -.Trump pulling out was for the best. FALSE You don’t pull the fire truck out of the fire emergency while the fire is still burning. Leaving in a huff left the stage to China to control an organization that was created and financed by America,. -NATO is the best means of American reach to maintain the balance of power. Trump has frayed there bonds and other countries tries are right to start seeking other… Read more »

London gunner

London, Biden has Kamala as his VP. She’s a black woman,

I got a black mate so I cant be racist card.

Democrats are self serving shits who don’t give a damn about the plight of black people they just pretend to do to get votes. Its why they went for a female black woman its completely see through.

As a person of colour and who is on the left im sickened by what the left has become. Its so fake and dishonest.

Marc

Pedro

You deleted my comment!

Graham62

raptora

Correct, I don’t particularly like Djokovic.

As for Murray, he wouldn’t even get into my top 500 favourite players of all time and I’m going back to the late sixties.

Haas was, unfortunately, derailed by injuries and, imo, would have won GS if this had not been the case.

Who said the DHB/ two-handed backhand, was against the rules?

Guns of SF

I would not be surprised if Trump and family up and leave the us for another country to avoid prosecution to the numerous lawsuits against them. Some civil and some criminal. Maybe move to Swiss for asylum?

Kushner looks like the anti christ to me. Damien.

Bernie was my guy… just ahead of his time… US still not ready for a Bernie. Maybe some day

London gunner

Dissenter

You say a lot but it means little

https://www.whitehouse.gov/trump-administration-accomplishments/

Dissenter

” I am just utterly sick of nany Pelosi and the Biden gang. I think they keep black people and people of colour in a weakned position in order to keep them malleable for votes.” For a Labour Party voter, you sure have your ears fastened securely on right wing talking points. Black people know the party that works super hard to minimize their voting rights. Your comment assumes that people can’t think for themselves because Nancy Pelosi the boogie woman has them in a trance. It’s the same as evangelical votes voting for Republicans because they know that party… Read more »

Luteo Guenreira

Pedro

I really can’t believe how the protests are being reported across the globe. I get it from my in-laws too. Meanwhile there are right-wing domestic terrorists planning the armed kidnapping of a liberal female governor in order to put her on trial themselves for “treason” (which is a capital offense) because she mandated they all need to wear face masks. Yes of course it’s those crazy liberals that are the real danger though.

Tom

“Marc, in America, it doesn’t really matter what he accepts and doesn’t accept. If he loses, he’ll be gone in Jan. There’s no saving him. He doesn’t have a popular mandate to go full-on dictator.“ Pedro , yes technically speaking, but also….. not really. If the republicans can create enough doubt about voting irregularities , and judging just from the few pro Trump posters here you know it will be easy to do, the Republican state legislatures can say we don’t think the results are accurate , so here are our slate of electors we think properly reflect results of… Read more »

Luteo Guenreira

London

You do know it’s Trump’s White House that manages that page? Do you honestly believe that’s a reliable source that is nuanced and objective? You might as well get all your facts from Trump’s twitter at that rate.

Rich

Pedro There’s a demand for housing, providing you have the population to fill that demand, along with easily available finance. Whether that be through individual sales, or as rental investments. Even if the rental yields are low, the value comes from the consistent pressure of the demand, which is fuelled by immigration. For 50 years after the Second World War, immigration ran at roughly 40,000 p/a, and house prices used to double every 10-12 years. Blair then opened the borders, immigration went from 40,000 up to over 300,000 p/a He then made it easier to get a zero% deposit mortgage,… Read more »

Dissenter

London
You just proved my point
Your source is a ,link on the Truman White House touting his achievements really.
US economy under the last 10 presidents before Trump https://5minuteeconomist.com/which-presidents-were-best-and-worst-for-the-us-economy.html

US economy under the last three presidents; Trump, Obama and GW Bush
https://markets.businessinsider.com/news/stocks/9-charts-comparing-trump-economy-to-obama-bush-administrations-2019-9-1028833119#job-growth-another-key-labor-market-measure-followed-a-similar-pattern-the-great-recession-destroyed-millions-of-jobs-per-quarter-but-the-economy-has-steadily-added-around-200-000-jobs-per-month-since-president-obama-s-second-term-3

He took over is economy at 4.9% from Obama, that’s like getting 500 million from his dad and wasting it all.

London gunner

Dissenter I mainly read guardian and the economist both of which are very anti trump. However I make up my own mind. I think there are people who control the media and therefore the narrative. I think yes trump is pig headed stubborn obnoxious loud mouth but I also think he is a damn site better than most Democrats who would turn America into antifa lead lynch mob where cancel culture rules all and freedom of speech is utterly eroded. I am left wing economically and culturally but the left wing is no longer about freedom and letting people live… Read more »

Guns of SF

I hope there is a move to abolish the electoral college.
The american voting system for president is utter garbage.
Should be one person , one vote. – popular vote wins

IF Dems take the senate I would love to see this being pushed through. 2/3 need to vote if I am not mistaken,

Archaic system

Dissenter

I just wonder how a labor party voting person can be so Trump-loving.
Your labor party will be an extreme left wing party if it’s dropped on the American landscape. there’s no way anyone like Corbin will lead a major political party in America.
Even Bernie is to the right of Corbin on virtually every issue.

London gunner

Guns

Proportional representation is better than winner takes all.

This way you aren’t completely overseen by a party that is completely at odds with your beliefs and values

Guns of SF

Dems would need 66 senators for sure, to vote to abolish it.
Hard to see that happening come to thing of it

This entire 2/3 majority vote makes life really hard for the losers in the senate.
Lazy fuckers…

The real worker bees are in the house….

Guns of SF

London we dont have that.

Marc

“Should be one person , one vote”

Now you’re fucking talking and as long as I’m the person with the vote I’ll be happy.

Tom

Pedro, of course there were better candidates than Biden but in a sane country with a knowledgeable electorate.
Kamala Harris is twice the brain Biden ever was but by picking her for a VP , if he wins now , he practically ensured the Republicans will win four years from now on another Obama style whitelash.

Dissenter

Guns
I think the founding fathers put it in place for balance. It just force the candidate to focus on the center of the electorate.
The electoral college system is no more annoying than Wyoming having two senators with it’s 580k residents, same as California with its 40 million residents.
If there was no electoral college, the republican party will never win another presidential election in 100 years.

Guns of SF

Polls should also be open for a week, to give those who cannot vote by mail to vote. Voting should be open all weekend too. Some basic things to allow the freedom to vote for more people.

Will eliminate long lines, and other republican voter suppression efforts.

It just makes common sense…

Marc

How many times has a President been elected where they’ve won the electoral college but lost the popular vote?

Guns of SF

f there was no electoral college, the republican party will never win another presidential election in 100 years.

I’m fine with this! 🙂

London gunner

Dissenter

I would trade you any and all politicians in a heart beat for bernie. Guys a legend he talks the talk and walks the walk.

He had great ideas and a concrete vision for the country.

His ideas were not outlandish or impossible people just didn’t bother researching them in anyway but instead listened to the DNC hit pieces against him.

Dissenter

Guns
I think everyone has a RESPONSIBILITY to vote. We should make it accessible but no more than necessary.
Maybe November 3rd should be a federal public holiday but that’s about it. No one should make it any easier for anyone. Just make access equal for all.

Marc

SF

It’s once every 4 years (ours are 5 years max) I find it staggering that someone can’t get out and vote for something so important that happens so rarely. Postal voting should be limited to those who either can’t physically make it to a polling station or have really good genuine reasons they can’t.

Guns of SF

the day we can vote from our cell phones will really swing things…
I hope some day the technology happens. Im in silicon valley and I am sure someone here can make an app within minutes to address this!

Marc

Pedro

“Marc, 5 times.”

Who won on those occasions?

Also how dare you delete my comment earlier!!!

Marc

Dissenter

110% spot on – voting is actually something that we should respect and be thankful we get to do it.

Dissenter

London
How do you go from Bernie to Trump?
Trump is the diametrical opposite of what Bernie stands for …everything

Guns of SF

Dissenter, Access yes. But its more than just access…. we need to remove obstacles to vote. I agree with the holiday, but why not keep the polls open for a week? what bad could happen? This allows those who cannot get out, due to work, etc , etc to have a chance to make it to the polls. Look at the laws in texas and michigan to allow voter suppression, Keeping polls open for a week will allow more to vote. OF course, if they want to, but I think one day is still too hard for many people. As… Read more »

London gunner

Pedro

He didn’t have the establishment PR machine working for him. Selling/pushing his content.

Instead he was fighting a battle on two front the corrupt the dnc with Biden and his kronies and the republican party.

Also he certainly existed the younger demrographic so I think your statement is partially false.

Marc

Pedro

Adams ? You mean John Adams wasn’t he 2nd or 3rd President?

Rich

Pedro People actively seek out home ownership. If your population is going up, quicker than you can build new homes? Then house prices will increase, if you reduce the demand? House prices will stagnate, or slightly decrease. Lots of big business are fleeing LA,, this is a fact. You seem convinced people will return to NYC post COVID, I think the same homeless problem that’s plagued LA, that is now plaguing NYC, along with the spiralling crime rates, won’t see the return of people you expect, let’s wait and see. If the wealth creators leave? Taking their jobs with them?… Read more »

Marc

SF

“As I said, the phone app will cure a lot of these issues”

So fucking naive – what happens when a cell tower goes down? Or a network is hacked?

Get off your lazy fat arse and go and put a cross on a bit of paper.

Tom

Marc, recently, both Bushes and Trump lost the popular vote.