Well, you’ll take that, right?
Arsenal made 7 changes against a very good Leicester team and came out worthy victors.
It wasn’t the prettiest of games, but it was a dogged hard-fought victory with plenty of positives.
Firstly, we’re back to winn… oh, wait, we beat West Ham. Felt like a loss. We’re back to winning with purpose after a grubby blip at the weekend.
Secondly, the team put their all into a comp most don’t really care about. I know that should be mandatory, but it isn’t always in this game. I like that everyone is fired up and ready to take their chance whenever it is offered up.
I’ll stop doing this numerically now. I was extremely happy to see Eddie back on the scoresheet after scoring the ugliest goal of the season. He’s a confidence player. You know he’ll always work hard and do the dirty work, but things just haven’t happened for him in front of goal. Well, he scored against West Ham for the winner, and he did the same tonight after connecting with Bellerin’s mazy run/pass, fumbling the ball into the net from close range.
Pepe has yet to find what his true purpose is going to be in this Arteta side, but he’s giving it a go. He’s very unconentional with the way he moves the ball, but you can see there’s a player waiting to burst out at some point. He’s fast, he can breeze past people, he just struggles with his end product. Not sure he landed the assist tonight, but his shot/cross that hit the post caused and own goal. I’m sure there’s some fancy stat you can attribute to him.
Bernd Leno showed a little more confidence. He came for a couple of looping crosses that must have been tough in the wind and rain. I’d still like his handling to be a little better. He tipped a shot into danger and he flapped a cross in the second half. It’s early days, he was out injured for a while, so it might take some time to see peak Bernd.
Kola shouldn’t keep getting games. He’s not focused nor is he good enough. He lost a runner with lazy marking and it could of cost us. I did love to David Luiz having a pop at him. In general, it was good to see him back in the side, he was having a heated mentoring session on the way to the tunnel with Saka at half time as well.
Talking of Saka, the kid is absolutely class. He put on a much better show this evening.
Last point. Matteo and Mesut. Left behind. They can’t even make the League Cup. They need to find new clubs. This is ruthless behaviour, but smart. Bring two people that don’t do what you need them to do in for a cup game, and, well, it shows you don’t care about the game. We won. Our 7th domestic cup win in a row. Can’t argue they needed to be included, can you?
Overall, that is a great win. It’s the exact sort of momentum you’ll take going into the game against Liverpool. Most of the players on the pitch put their hats in the ring for selection next Monday. That’s all you can ask.
Short one today, see you in the comments. x
Pierre
Yes but that doesn’t mean he didn’t have valid reasons rather than having some childish spiteful agenda towards the club and current manager for pushing out Wenger and Ozil.
So according to the reliable Swiss Ramble, Juve are run unsustainably, just like I said on here. They’ve a €90 loss on their accounts.
But the clever cloggs on legrove were piping up with their ill-informed contrarian shit when I said this 😁
Marko
9 seconds difference to make the same point!
Raheem
Is the Juve loss for the current COVID period or before that?
I think it’s we’ve and not Juve
In case you are confused , I do not pick the side …Arteta does and he played kolasinac ahead of Saliba.
Pierre
I’m pretty sure it’s something to do with the fact that Kolasinac is left footed while Saliba is right footed.
Sup Gents
No incoming yet, seems like we’re penniless and therefore just about done with incomings this summer.
Sad but it is what it is i guess, got to make do with what we’ve got now
While both PayPal and Venmo are digital wallets, the main difference is that PayPal is widely used by small and large scale businesses, whereas Venmo the majority of the time is used for transactions between friends.
That conclusively proves Bamford ain’t using Venmo……..unless Dariano is also using Venmo 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Marc
““This season’s signings are next season’s dross.Mari, Cedric and maybe even Saliba could be on the “dross ” list..”
All said in jest which has gone completely over the heads of Fred, Marko and yourself as I have never used the word ” dross” to describe Arsenal players …
We know how it works , everyone raves about Torreira Guendouzi, Pepe and Sokratis when they are signed and a year or 2 later they are the new “dross”….hence my comment .
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Marc
Think it’s the 2019/20 season.
Azed
“I’m pretty sure it’s something to do with the fact that Kolasinac is left footed while Saliba is right footed.”
Fred thinks it’s because he’s coming back from injury.
You think it’s because he’s not left footed
And Marko thinks it’s because he didn’t play enough games last season.
Anyone else have a reason for Saliba not starting in a league cup tie .
Bati it is looking that way but no excuses for me the club made a song and dance about making Europe at the end of the season and needing to for our budget and we all knew that we were going to have to sell as well and knowing that we still weren’t ruthless enough. I can’t help but feel like we would have addressed the midfield had we say sold AMN and Bellerin and Martinez earlier. That’s 60+ million instead of just the 20 from sales this summer. Huge fuck up considering wolves went on to spend 36 million… Read more »
Phd2020, My first work on the utility exotic option was pretty much using standard jump diffusion model. I could have a look at my notes in the attic about it, but as far as I remember there was nothing extraordinary about it. The second time I work on the subject, it was trying to fit that jump diffusion with the historical valuation of volatility smile from Bruno Dupire. That research was proprietary and despite being old news, I am not exposing proprietary research from that very litigious bank! That was the second time in my career, I joined Bruno Dupire’s… Read more »
Pierre
Outside of the inner circle at the club no one knows.
The reason you are picked up is because you are acting like a prick. You build the player up “like a young Rio Ferdinand” and then imply Arteta is throwing some amazing young talent onto the scrap heap after a few weeks and 3 competitive matches.
Give it a rest everyone can see through you every time you make a comment. Offer an opinion on something rather than acting like a bitter ex who’s been dumped.
So Saliba had 17 games last season to Gabriel’s 34. Gabriel missed two games through injury (at the beginning of the season) while Saliba missed 23 games through injury.
That’s why he’s yet to play in the first 3 games of the season
I prefer politics to the “jump diffusion model”
That’s me.
“Personally, I haven’t seen enough of Saliba to judge whether he is good enough or not”
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Pierre, I haven’t seen him in action at all , and normally by now I would’ve at least looked up his YouTube best moments ,but the reason I haven’t ( don’t event know what he looks like) is because the kid is 19, and no nineteen year old starts at CB for a club in PL.
Varene, who was hailed as a generational talent, saw his minutes slashed by half going from France to Spain and Real introduced him slowly as they should’ve.
Fred…nice of you to post all my comments. “Saliba and Gabriel are both young( gabriel slightly older) but Arteta seems to have warmed to Gabriel more than Saliba.” “One would have thought that Saliba would have started v Leicester in the league cup, his non inclusion in the starting line up is an inclination that Arteta doesn’t trust Saliba enough to start him..” ” he and Gabriel arrived at the same time and one would imagine that they have had equal chance to impress.” As for returning from injury , that’s just an excuse that doesn’t really hold up as… Read more »
Varene, who was hailed as a generational talent, saw his minutes slashed by half going from France to Spain and Real introduced him slowly as they should’ve.
This is very true too.
Marko
So Saliba had 17 games last season to Gabriel’s 34. Gabriel missed two games through injury (at the beginning of the season)”That’s why he’s yet to play in the first 3 games of the season”
So you are saying that Arteta is playing one player over another due to the amount of games they played last season…..seriously?
Azed thinks its because hes6not left footed
Fred thinks he is not fit as he is coming back from injury,.
Maybe the real reason is Arteta doesn’t trust him enough to play him..
Revisit the Saliba conversation in a few months and I think he would have played plenty of matches and likely been impressive, he is very highly rated but also all the factors mentioned above, adaptation, age and fitness have to be considered. Everything I have read about him is glowing praise, no need to be concerned or suggest he may be surplus to requirements.
With a view to next season, I would expect to be seeing Gabriel and Saliba as fixtures in the first team.
Also Saliba would probably have been getting more game time had he gotten a proper preseason under his belt. Right now it looks like being cautious with him. Potential injuries aside I see him being a massive player for us he’s that highly regarded
Marko
A question that hasn’t been raised is if with the screwed up pre season would Gabriel have started if we didn’t have so many injuries?
Marc who knows it helped him that Luiz and Mari who play the LCB position were injured but he stood a better chance because of what he did last season as well as the fact that he had more of a preseason with Lille than Saliba did at Arsenal. At Lille their season finished way before ours so they had more time for preseason while Saliba had to wait for our restart to finish our cup run and then we had to rest.
So you are saying that Arteta is playing one player over another due to the amount of games they played last season…..seriously?
Are you dense or something? I’m saying that he’s starting someone who was basically fit and performing all last season while the other was seriously injury for most of it. If you can’t tell the difference between a fit 22 year old and an injured 19 year old then I can’t help you
“What’s wrong with a friendly wager or two? “
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A friendly wager presupposes it’s made between friends and unless I’m wrong you probably don’t have them around here.
Saliba is 19, don’t think you need to go much further than that. Playing for St.Etienne isn’t playing for Arsenal.
Also, he’s not played in 6 months and we’re easing him into matters, new league, new country, new team etc. Gabriel is considerably more advanced as a professional.
ValentinSeptember 25, 2020 14:12:49
Phd2020,My first work on the utility exotic option was pretty much using standard jump diffusion model.
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Not being funny dude,but what the heck do you mean by a standard jump diffusion model?
You mean a standard jump diffusion model fitted with a poisson JD?
Or a JD model fitted with a NIG,as an example,which is not a standard JD model.
Now we’re getting somewhere.
Shut up jaime. Wait what are you talking about?
Klopp on Arteta’s Arsenal: “He has showed in a short period of time that he seems to be an exceptional football manager. The structure of the team he sets up is exceptional – balance between offence and defence is really good. He has changed the whole mood there.”
“Carragher on Arteta: There’s no doubt Arsenal are on the way back under Mikel Arteta,” he said. “I think he’s been a brilliant signing.“
Arteta making an impression on the likes of Klopp, Carragher next step is convincing Banford and GunnerDNA that he’s moving the needle.
Pierre
I was talking about your comments in regards to Kolasinac and Saliba.
There’s no way that Saliba would start as the left sided CB for Arsenal. Not this early in his career.
Also it would be suicidal to start two new CB’s when we are trying to build momentum.
Saliba times will come.
Yeah but can Mikel finish above Brendan Rodgers I mean that’s the only thing that counts
lol
CC
To be fair to Bamford and DNA, Klopp wasn’t going to say anything negative about the Arsenal manager.
Arteta has made it quite clear that there are a large number of players on our books that he is prepared to offload in this transfer window. Some like Sokratis, Kolasinac, Guendouzi and Torreira are clearly up for sale or loan and the club and Arteta has made it clear to the players concerned that they have no future at the club. Arsenal are I am sure open to offers for another group of players but are probably not touting them on open market. These will include Bellerin, Holding, Chambers, Maitland-Niles, Elneny, Nelson and Lacazette. If someone meets the club’s… Read more »
Also Leicester apparently bidding for Tarkowski. At least bamford will be happy this weekend
Yeah, Klopp ain’t going to say ‘he looks a very average Manager’.
“Maybe the real reason is Arteta doesn’t trust him enough to play him”
Pierre, yes that’s usually why players don’t start games.
The manager doesn’t trust they are either fit, integrated, fully committed, or depending on a small sample size- as in the season is two games old- perhaps even for tactical reasons.
Lot of man love going on here today. Marko and CC, PHD and Valantin. Really is the blog of love
Yeah, Klopp ain’t going to say ‘he looks a very average Manager’.
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Since he failed to get the better of Arteta in two recent games probably the right assessment
Azed
Of course there’s diplomacy in interviews, but there’s a difference between banal respect vs thoughtful praise.
Marko
Leicester squad will take another leap ahead of ours in quality there then, chasm being created between the two.
At the end of the day, Arteta is doing the right thing by not playing Saliba if he feels he is not ready, which is what I was implying all along. When saliba gains his trust I’m sure he will bring him in for league cup and Europa cup this season and then then hopefully he will be ready for league football next season . Most of the posters on here thought Saliba should have played v Fulham and was surprised when he was not included. Those same posters were convinced he would play v Leicester in the league cup… Read more »
What does surprise me is that Arsenal are prepared to consider loaning Torreira to Athletico
Madrid without obligation to buy and a significant loan fee. If they are playing hard ball we
should reciprocate and do business elsewhere. I would rather loan him out in Italy if that is
the only option.
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Maybe that’s just a ploy to soften them up on the Partey front.
I doubt Arsenal will actually go through with it, if Atletico don’t play ball re Partey.
Transfer window this season has been a bore fest. Apart from Chelsea spunking their load on shiny new payers, the rest of the league has been rather quiet. Hope we don’t buy aruar (hope karim can clarify a bit on the hype and claims that he’s the next zidane, when he looks bang average). I don’t mind jorginho but his form needs to get better. Partey may be a good signing, or he may not be, but I don’t think we should pay more than 40m for him. At the end of the window, if we get diawara, coutinho (on… Read more »
Tom
“Pierre, yes that’s usually why players don’t start games”
Then why did so many on Le Grove want him to start and then criticise me for telling it how it is.
Azed “””””Saliba times will come.””””” A bolder coach than Arteta would certainly have started Saliba over Luiz at Leicester City in the week, Cloughie had Roy Keane making his debut at Anfield as a teenager. Tony Adams was captaining Arsenal roughly the same age as Saliba. Arteta should stop being so timid and cautious – and get these talented players on the pitch and get the likes of Luiz, Willian and Cedric( if he is ever fit) off it. We are going absolutely nowhere with those types. believe in your young players, like Fergie/Wenger/Cloughie did. All of those managers would… Read more »
Php2020, The initial work was based on Merton work. Merton was the first that was able to fit a jump diffusion and the convexity of the implied volatility smile. Like him, my work was also based on a compound Poisson process except that the jump size was not purely random. It followed an ascending trend curve across time. So it was a mixed of proportionality based on the sector and a random element that diverged across time. In short, excluding the random element of it, the longer time between jump, the higher the jump was. I can’t remember the exact… Read more »
Pierre, you are right. THere’s no big conspiracy here, he’s a 19-year old that will need time to adapt. His time will come.
@telefoot_chaine
journalist tells me an offer has now been submitted for Houssem Aouar.
It’s happening
Joke Friday : Arsenal about to seal a big transfer !!
CG, the 5 academy players not enough boldness? He needed to put in a player that he doesn’t feel ready to make that victory feel just?
Words on a Blog
We’re on, then. Cheers.
There is a massive difference in football terms between a 19 and a 22 year old. Add in that both Gabriel and Saliba need to play back into fitness and it is obvious you would not start with both in your back 3
I suspect Saliba may have played in a home game against a championship team but not make his debut away to Leicester
Totally agree with MAs strategy
PedRo “””CG, the 5 academy players not enough boldness? He needed to put in a player that he doesn’t feel ready to make that victory feel just?”””” Its not a criticism of him, its an observation. Arteta was a very efficient player and he clearly is a very efficient coach. I think its becuase he himself lacks experience – he gravitates towards the older players as opposed to the younger ones. I also feel he is quite unnerved from the mavericks in the squad. Ozil, Pepe, Martinelli types etc Also an obersevation not a criticism. As for Saliba ,not being… Read more »
ValentinSeptember 25, 2020 15:28:26 Php2020,The initial work was based on Merton work. Merton was the first that was able to fit a jump diffusion and the convexity of the implied volatility smile. Like him, my work was also based on a compound Poisson process except that the jump size was not purely random. It followed an ascending trend curve across time. So it was a mixed of proportionality based on the sector and a random element that diverged across time. In short, excluding the random element of it, the longer time between jump, the higher the jump was. I can’t… Read more »
Jesus PhD2020 if we’re playing the nerds game…
Hello, my name is Mark and I like to watch aeroplanes.
Unwritten rule of Le Grove is , NEVER question anything about Saliba or Martinelli , but slag off Nketiah at will and I guarantee you will gain more friends than enemies on Le Grove.
That’s how it works I’m afraid.
Azed Klopp is a super nice guy, so on one level, he was definitely being friendly and complimentary towards a younger peer. But I think he genuinely respects Arteta as well. His comments about how organized the side is and how “balanced” it is between attack and defense are definitely sincere, as he has seen this “balance” (and the difficulty it poses an opposing side) first-hand. However, the “balance” Arteta has achieved is the result of adopting a more defensive posture tactically; whether this more defensive posture can succeed over 38 matches or whether he can transition to a more… Read more »
Phd2020,
If I remember correctly we investigated a Cox something model. I also used a new model which at the time was cutting edge based on a double exponential.
That model was better for most assets including credit derivative, but it never worked correctly for utility share options, which was why we had to develop our own model in the first place.
I can’t remember what was the problem. Either it never fit correctly the volatility smile or it never converge with the historical data.
Pierre, come on that is a weak comment even by your standards. You put lots of wife’s friends to shame with your cattiness.
ValentinSeptember 25, 2020 16:04:06
No worries.It’s all cool.Glad you are happy in management.
Left testicleSeptember 25, 2020 15:57:59
Jesus PhD2020 if we’re playing the nerds game…Hello, my name is Mark and I like to watch aeroplanes.
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Yes my name is Left testicle,but you can call me womble!!(one ball)
🙂
CG, that doesn’t make sense.
Arteta picked one player in their 30s for that game. 5 academy players. Average starting 11 of 24.5.
He also won the game quite easily.
Your criticism is grounded in what you would have done. Someone who doesn’t train with Saliba every day.
Obviously, Arteta rates Holding more ready for EPL at the moment than Saliba.
The young lad is facing serious competition for playing time with Arsenal having more than 5 right sided center backs in Holding, Luiz, Mustafi, Chambers, Sokratis plus himself (Saliba).
Gabriel is literally having only injured Mari to compete with – hence don’t be too surprised he’s playing already.
Calm down on the Saliba agenda FFS! He’ll come good
“Then why did so many on Le Grove want him to start and then criticise me for telling it how it is.“
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Probably his price tag and the promise usually associated with it, but like CC said, the fact he’s only 19 should probably be the beginning and end of this particular debate.
“What does surprise me is that Arsenal are prepared to consider loaning Torreira to Athletico Madrid without obligation to buy and a significant loan fee. If they are playing hard ball we should reciprocate and do business elsewhere. I would rather loan him out in Italy if that is the only option.2 exactly we should not be entertaining Athletico all it’s 20 mill off the partey deal or go fuck your self ……………..the bare face cheek of it , don’t get me wrong we need to get rid of the cry baby ASAP but not to those sleaze bags ARSENAL… Read more »
The thing with Holding is that despite being being right footed, he has looked a lot more assured on the left of the defense. The FA Cup final against Chelsea, Per was on the right and Holding on the left.
However because Arteta uses the left sided CB as a weird makeshift CB/wingback, more mobile players there who can also play wingback are preferred. Personally in view of the shambles and disaster that is Kolasinac, I would still prefer to play Holding there anyway.
If Tierney is still out, I can’t see Kolasinac being able to handle Mo Salah.
if Kolasinac plays as a CB against Liverpool we loose heavily that should be apparent to all
According to Romano, City in talks to sign Ruben Dias including Otamendi as part of the deal. City always decisive, not sitting around waiting for Napoli to sanction Khoulibaly.
Meanwhile Arsenal are on day 700 on Partey and Auoar. These 2 players can’t be the only 2 recommendations by StatDNA. Let’s move on already.
Zeus, so if AFC struggling after this time with our two primary targets you think they would be able to get in other targets in the amount of time left in this window?
PedRo
“”””Your criticism is grounded in what you would have done. Someone who doesn’t train with Saliba every day.”””””
Granted.
But I have seen Luiz in an Arsenal shirt.
Give away a penalty at Anfield
See Red at Manchester City and give away a pen
See Red at Chelsea and give away a pen.
So Saliba must be stinking the place out in training if he cant get ahead of Luiz.
If Luiz starts at Anfield, when talent like Saliba remains on the bench- My Arteta Out bandwagon will start in earnest.
My Arteta Out bandwagon will start in earnest”
Shock horror
Mustafi to Lazio seems to be done…..great news !
what is the definition of progress?
if any body here say something negative about what he or she observe in this current team and draw a conclusion he is anti arsenal. question though, where does arteta have to finish this se4ason to consider it “progress”?
i know i will not get an answer, what do i know, our savior is here after all.
oh bamford
you say a lot of trash at times but you are 100% correct about arteta formation game plan, what i don’t know is whether he can maintain it to a least get a top 4. whether he is defensive or not i don’t care., only some idiots here criticizes other coaches if they are defensive not me, i have no problem if arteta is a defensive coach or not as long as he delivers the goods, am okay.
@ Leftside
It depends on who those targets are. The Lyon president is notoriously difficlut to deal with and the Atletico team aren’t novices either. I’m not willing to bank on either of them blinking first in this game of chicken. This is turning out to be Sancho to Man Utd stuff.
Other targets, lesser profiles and transfer fees might wield a higher probability of success.
TR7
Any links to that fantastic news?
Give the transfer team a chance people. This could very well be one of our best ever windows.