The ROI on Arsenal transfers (not pretty) + Emi swells the midfield joy fund

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Well, that was a wonderful weekend.

Spurs lost to Carlo’s attack-minded Everton side. James looked every bit the silk machine from 2014. Spurs looked, well, they looked very Jose Mourinho. I’ve been watching All or Nothing, it’s a lot of fun, but I’m not sure the reimagination of Jose Mourinho really came through as strong as he may have liked. He’s living in the past, he’s tactically weak, and his man-management approach just doesn’t sit well with players of this era.

Just look at that headline, then remember how many people were envious that he was going to Spurs.

‘True winner’

‘He’s had some personal problems, he’s finally happy’

‘This squad is perfect for him’

Let’s hope Daniel Levy’s teenage man-crush keeps him at the club for the full length of the deal. He’s the disaster they deserve. Spurs stagnation will continue.

West Ham crashed to Newcastle. What a disaster they’re having. The stories I’m hearing and reading are absolutely unbelievable. Long may that continue. It’s always a tough day out, but a focused performance against a team in open revolt against ownership could be exactly what the doctor ordered.

United lost to Villa in a friendly, also hilarious. On the topic of their team, I find the rounding on Mason Greenwood disgraceful. Harry McG gets into a ruck, allegedly tries to bribe the coppers, and he’s rolled out on the BBC like a victim. Greenwood pulls babe on Tinder and engages in the lamest legal high going and he’s treated like he’s asked to reintegrate from the Caliphate. The bullying of young English kids in the media is abhorrent, I thought we’d seen an end to it after the last World Cup… the only way it stops is if we stop clicking the links.

Chelsea up this evening. I am very interested to see what Frank Lampard has to offer the top 3 this season. Hopefully, it’s a big serving of fuck-all, but we’ll see. They have had a very sexy summer, if things click, they are going to be a force of nature this season.

The big Sunday Arsenal news was the Emi Martinez deal. The Argentine cup hero has moved to Villa in a transfer worth about £20m. It’s sad, because I think he’s performed above and beyond expectations, but the reality is Arsenal aren’t at a level where we can afford to have two elite keepers. That’s a tremendous fee for someone that’s been with us gathering loan dust for 10 years. Emi gets to play regularly and bump his is pay by a multiplier of 6 / Arsenal add some pennies to the SAVE OUR MIDFIELD fund.

The story doing the rounds is that we’re in for Runar Alex Runarsson to replace him (comp here). He’s Icelandic, very handsome, and he plays in Dijon so he must be mustard. Lololol. He looks like a fun keeper, fast off his line, a good shot-stopper… a puncher from crosses though. I have no idea how good my analysis of the four-minute video is, but this is the sort of signing I’m down for. If you-know-who was here, we’d be ploughing pound notes into a 7 year Neto deal.

Aouar and Partey is the summer vision, people at the club think they can make it happen, we just have to push forward and make the deals happen by selling some deadwood and moving our swap plans forward. All is not as it seems, as is always the case with transfers. What certain execs are telling the press might not marry with their true intentions. There’s a lot of posturing going on.

We have almost 3 weeks of the window to go. Keep an eye on Torreira, Kola, Sokratis, Guendouzi, and Reiss. That’s where the magic is likely to happen. Maybe even Mustafi, but I think he might be in the same boat as Mesut Ozil > In love with the deal.

Whatever happens, I’m convinced we’ll end the transfer window with a set of players that will at the very least compete for top 4.

It’ll be a tough season though. Everything is going our way at the moment, but there will be dark times. The reimagination of Arsenal will have plenty of bumps in the road, but for once, you can’t deny that we’re following the correct process.

We have to take the season in mini-phases.

The current phase of games takes us to the international break. We need to have racked up 9 points to be on target. West Ham and Sheffield United are two must-win games. The Liverpool game will always come with low expectations, but at least we’re now in a position as a club where you pretty much know that we’ll show up with a game plan that if executed well, will give them something to think about. Leeds got at them, Liverpool were fragile at the back, there’s no reason we can’t do the same.

Phase two after is going to be very, very important. City, Leicester and United on the bounce… capped with a final game against Villa. Come out of that run with 7-8 points and we are cooking. The crazy thing is, it doesn’t matter what phase you look at, most games are tough these days. There are 8 teams competing for top 4 this season. That’s mad. You know what’d make all those games a little easier? AOUAR AND PARTEY. Let’s see if this week brings a breakthrough.

Before I go, I would like to point you in the direction of a truly excellent article from Andrew Shanoudi over at Medium. Grab a coffee and take 10 minutes to read his excellent analysis of why Arsenal have been a bit shit over the years. His use of data and clever graphs paints a grim picture of where things have gone wrong, but it also gives you hope, because we’re addressing the issues with some smart moves.

A couple of highlights were that he calculates our ROI on players.

To put matters into perspective, for every million pound Arsenal net spent on their squad, they lost 99% of what that million should’ve added in squad value. It’s the worst possible ROI ratio among the premier league’s top eight teams, utterly unacceptable for a team that is supposedly trying to close the gap.

This graph also shows the value we’ve lost in player sales.

STAGGERING. What a fucking great read that was. I wish I could make graphs and smart arguments like that.

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  1. Mr Serge

    red army as much as Jamies comments have annoyed you you really need to keep the abuse down a bit

    check the rules out bud

    1) If you don’t agree with another blogger, debate it out, don’t resort to insults. It’s boring and discourages others from joining the thread.

    2) Try and keep politics out of the conversation. There’s more than enough Arsenal news to talk about. Sometimes there’s a crossover, when there is, please be considerate when articulating your views. This is a blog for everyone.

    3) Any sort of racism, homophobia, or general denigration of people will not be tolerated. Accounts will be suspended, in the event of repeat offences, we will issue banning orders.

  2. Mr Serge

    now I am not the le grove police far from it and maybe its not my place but this is a place for debate and discussion and i don’t want you to get banned because some muppet has grinded your gears

  3. Red Army

    FL that’s what I’m saying, he’ll be a viable option for us in midfield this season.

    His loan spell did him wonders and he’s vastly improved, his confidence is sky high and the manager believes in him and is feeding that.

    But you get dicks that can’t see past their previous opinion or distaste of certain players even when they come back in and excel.

  4. Marko

    If you-know-who was here, we’d be ploughing pound notes into a 7 year Neto deal.

    I mean Neto is a better keeper than this Dijon lad but I suppose it’s hard to contain yourself some time. Funnily enough it’s you know who not being here anymore that has apparently showed down all our negotiations to a crawl.

  5. Mr Serge

    Red Arteta said everyone gets a chamce (apart from ozil thank god) it seems elneny did well in the last two games as long as we still buy another cm he is a good squad player

  6. Valentin

    CC,

    Your own stats proves that Leno tend to punch and is rooted to his line on set pieces.
    Now you are arguing something different. You are arguing that it was not his fault, but that was due to the bad setup and chaos under Emery.

    I give you that it is a possibility, however I would respond that before Arsenal Leno criticism when in Germany were exactly the same: Not dominant in the air, prone to gaffe.

  7. Marc

    “he’ll be a viable option for us in midfield this season.”

    That all depends on if and how many CM’s we get in the next couple of weeks. We bring in a couple and we’ll need to move some bodies out. Willock seems to have completely disappeared off the radar.

  8. Marko

    Martin Keown is on record stating on BT Sports that having sold Ospina Arsene Wenger was going to start the following season with Martinez as No1, because he believed in him.

    I have to comment on this. A big huh and who gives a fuck from me on this statement considering Arsene Wenger was one of the worst top coaches at spotting talent at the goalkeeper position. His track record of signing keepers is shocking

  9. Marko

    Willock seems to have completely disappeared off the radar.

    Come on Marc he started on the bench and we now have 3 subs. He needs a loan imo. Keep one of him or ESR but not both this coming season

  10. Leedsgunner

    “The bullying of young English kids in the media is abhorrent, I thought we’d seen an end to it after the last World Cup… the only way it stops is if we stop clicking the links.”

    Errr… no. The bullying the media is definitely not right, but the scrutiny will stop when multimillionaire footballers stop acting like idiots… Their millions will not insulate them from questions… and millions of fingers being pointed in their direction

    If they don’t want to be questioned stop acting questionably. It’s a cliche but with great wealth comes great responsibility.

    Having said all that, this trial by media and public opinion is wrong, wrong, wrong. Yes, by all means keep people accountable but we have to remember that people are innocent until proven guilty in a court of law… not because Twitter or Instagram says so.

    Rant over.

  11. Marc

    Marko

    Wasn’t a slight against Willock – he just doesn’t seem to have been attracting any attention. If we bring in 2 CM’s we have those, Xhaka, Ceballos, Elneny, Guendozi, Willock and ESR. I haven’t included Torreira because it does appear that he’s off but we’d still have too many bodies.

  12. Leedsgunner

    Thanks Martinez for your heroics. Shame you didn’t have the bottle to fight for your place like every other professional in the team.

    If the monies from the transfer gets reinvested into the playing squad AND NOT paying KSE for “consultancy” services… I’m happy.

    £20m for 15 or so top flight games is good business… especially for a player who is unwilling to repay the club for years of loyalty shown to them.

    Does Macey have the determination and the talent to step up in the Cup or European games? I wonder. I hope all the keepers at the club take heart from Martinez and grab their chance when it comes.

  13. azed

    “Martin Keown is on record stating on BT Sports that having sold Ospina Arsene Wenger was going to start the following season with Martinez as No1, because he believed in him.”

    Val

    You do know the Wenger signed Petr Cech right? And he didn’t live the chavs to be number 2 right?

  14. Champagne charlie

    “Your own stats proves that Leno tend to punch and is rooted to his line on set pieces”.

    That’s an oxymoron, either he’s rooted to his line or he comes and punches… can’t do both?

    “Now you are arguing something different. You are arguing that it was not his fault, but that was due to the bad setup and chaos under Emery.“

    I’m arguing nothing different, I stated above in my original stats-based comment that Martinez is noted for high claims and aerial dominance and that the stats suggest this. But that the stats are less illustrative (not at all in fact) of the apparent chasm in quality when it comes to their distribution.

    I think whenever you’re assessing passing you have to consider the team setup, it’s the most influential element outside talent. Simply can’t pass to someone when they’re not available. Then you have instruction from the manager, Leno played under Emery and Martinez Arteta.

    When Leno arrived here his passing was crisp and a breath of fresh air to that of Petr Cech, now I’m led to believe his distribution is wank but it just so happens the team descended into a chaotic mess all the while? Yes, no correlation there.

  15. Red Army

    CC
    Jamie assumed I was a ‘mono lingual little englander’ and that somehow being a plumber is some sort of insult.

    I’m not but regardless he’s still a pompous twat.

  16. Marko

    It’s another reason why I was against the sponge returning it would eat into what little mins the likes of ESR and Willock and Nelson and now seemingly Saka would get. Cause make no mistake about it Willian,Pepe and if we get Aouar in means that there’ll be less mins for the young players and that’s before you think about whether or not Auba is going to continue at LW going forward. I hope he doesn’t I prefer a proper balanced front 3/4 and I’d honestly like to see proper wingers played in their proper position. It’s also a bit unfair to ask certain players like the young players to compete with other wingers AND your star striker played out of position. Saka backing up Willian and possibly Aouar at LW/LF is fine but Saka backing up Auba and Willian and Aouar is a bit unnecessary

  17. Dissenter

    I’ve never been a fan of Elneny, actually I’ve been more than just not liking him.
    That said, it Arteta can get good performances out Xhaka and AMN, then Elneny is definitely going to be a positive option to have in rotation.
    At the very least, he needs to be ahead of Willock on the pecking order. Willock should be sent put on loan to get lots of playing time. Maybe a good championship team.
    Elneny has had three conecutuve perfromances under Arteta; one pre-season, charity shield and then against Fulham. He shouldn’t be a starter when the window closes but has earned his squad place.

  18. Marko

    I think I’d actually vomit if we decided to forego a move for Partey because Elneny is now an option and Xhaka is considered untouchable. I just don’t know. I don’t mind Elneny staying because he’s not that much of a hindrance and it’s not like he’d bring in anything of note transfer wise but at the same time I don’t see him contributing a great deal over the course of a season

  19. Marko

    Am told West Ham is not a likely destination for Sead Kolasinac as things stand. Player has had talks with Arteta & knows he’s behind Tierney, but wants to fight for his spot unless something significant changes.

    And another one

  20. Red Army

    We will still want Partey and Aouer regardless of Elnenys form. He just gives us more options than last year.
    Everyone can see we need quality additions to midfield.

  21. Mr Serge

    i wouls say paps Emi and Torr are done deals thats 45M whether they feel partey is the more pressing player to get over Aouar i have no clue but i would sign the latter first, bigger resale value higher talent ceiling etc

  22. Marc

    I’ve just seen West Ham’s fixtures between now and the end of October. Fucking hell!

    Arsenal A
    Wolves H
    Leicester A
    Spud’s A
    City H
    Liverpool A

    I think there’s a P45 on the horizon for Moyes.

  23. Marc

    TR7

    I don’t think there’s any great desire from our side to keep him (unless of course Arteta’s got another puppy he can’t let go) it’s more likely his bank balance that wants him to stay.

  24. Captain Tierney

    That article mentioned above is a must read. Shows how poor our business was in the Wenger era leading to a -99% ROI.
    Gazidis the meek ruining Arsenal football club. This guy doesn’t get enough flak for his bottle job at one of the biggest Football organisation.

    Sad to see Martinez go. Shame he doesn’t want to keep fighting for his place. But I guess he’s right to want to leave. He is 28 now and dreams of starting for his country ( which I think he deserves to). If he messes up and Leno becomes the no.1 again, he’ll have wasted 1 more year and his dream will drag on.
    + Villa are offering better financial terms than what we were reportedly offering in the new deal. And we really need some money to shore up our Midfield. If not for that Leno injury, Martinez would probably have left this window for 2-3 mil to a Championship side. Its a win-win for both parties, lets try to see the positives here. We’ve also got Leno who I believe will be perceived as world class by everyone before this season ends.
    So nothing to worry about.

    Willock definitely needs a loan. He aint toppling Granit, Ceballos, Elneny, Aoaur/Partey and ESR will most probably get the minutes that Willock got last season. Top 8 challenging Championship side which will guarantee 1st team football is where I’d look to loan him.

  25. bennydevito

    Great results for us with Spurs losing what’s not to love.

    Another good post Pedro. Did you see the report that Kronke hasn’t spent a single penny on Arsenal for 5 years, unlike Chelsea where Abromavic has pumped in £400m!

    400 million! What about ffp for fuck sake?!

    Wenger and Gazidas were the only mugs who tried to tow thei line.

  26. Dissenter

    There used to be a time when playing regularly for your club helped with national team selection.
    I thought it would be easier for us to move certain players out in a national team competiton year.

    Honestly what is Kolasinac smoking to wangt tio fight for his place?
    Is Arteta giving these players false hopes.

  27. Mullet

    Marc,

    i hope you are wrong about Moyes getting his P45, unless it happens after the transfer window. We need West Ham to buy Kolasinac – hopefully for £10-15m.

    So flood the Hammer’s fan forums with support for David and praise Kola.

  28. Marko

    So I hope that the plan is still to get in the both of them and that it’s just a case of getting in as much money as possible and getting our ducks in order before trying to sign them up. Partey we just need cold hard cash in before we can sign him and with Aouar there’s posturing by Lyon on price and players involved in a possible swap but we’ll see how their stance changes when it’s the last 7-10 days of the window and they’ve lost Bertrand Traore and Depay and we’re the only ones that are actually bidding for Aouar who wants to leave. Aulas is bat shit crazy if he thinks he’s going to get 60 million for him when the likes of Thiago and Ziyech are moving for significantly less and when outside of Chelsea and Man City (neither of whom want Aouar) there’s simply not a lot of people spending big money.

  29. Dissenter

    ““Partey is 3 times the player Elneny is”

    By what measure?
    At the rate this Partey-mania is going we will need to pick a special jersey with an embedded cape if we manage to sign Partey.

  30. Leedsgunner

    Am I the only one who doesn’t believe or buy into the Partey hype?

    Lille is willing to sell Soumare, I rather go for him instead.

  31. Ernest Reed

    Such a typical indictment of Arsenal and their support base, now we are to make out that Elneny is just like a new signing. The reality is that yet again the club are papering over large cracks from chronic neglect and somehow a player who never had it is being touted as a solution. Factually speaking, anyone that thinks Elneny is a solution is likely the same person who still, for the life of them, can’t fathom why Wilshere isn’t being brought back.

  32. Valentin

    Dissenter,

    I would find it funny if we were to buy Partey and both Ceballos and Elneny were to keep him away from the first team. He may be more dynamic and stronger than Willock, but I have not been impressed by passing ability. Unless Arteta changes systems, he may find it more difficult to dislodge those that many anticipate.

    At Liverpool, everybody assumed that Nabil Keita was going to be an immediate starter. One year later, he is still not a nailed on first eleven starter.

  33. Ernest Reed

    West Ham are an unmitigated train wreck, Marc. How they avoided the drop last season is down to Antonio finding lightning in a bottle. The fact that they brought Moyes back for a second stint tells you how utterly horrible their ownership is.

  34. Ernest Reed

    Its beyond frustrating Jamie, it’s downright insanity that some just cant move on and look to a brighter future. If many of those, in the current squad, being touted as solutions,were actually decent to begin with, we would not be having such discussions.

  35. Marko

    Ernest I agree but keeping Elneny would tie in nicely with the whole Mikel Jesus act where he can turn water into wine and drastically improve what has previously been a poor performing player for us. Now don’t get me wrong I’m not attacking Mikel I just think coming in halfway through a season and getting a response from a squad that simply could not be any worse under unai and coupled with extraordinary circumstances post lockdown it’s easy to think that he can for want of a better word work miracles with certain players in the squad. I personally don’t see it over a whole season I still see certain people as not being good enough and who’ll always let us down and Elneny respectfully is one of those players despite a good showing in a community shield game and a league game against relegation fodder. I don’t think Mikel is being fooled though hence why we’re still looking at signings

  36. Ernest Reed

    I cant say i would be overly disappointed with zeropoints Marc, cant stand West Ham and those two plugs they call tweedle-dee and tweedle-bum.

  37. Marko

    I would find it funny if we were to buy Partey and both Ceballos and Elneny were to keep him away from the first team. He may be more dynamic and stronger than Willock, but I have not been impressed by passing ability.

    Hard to believe that a player who’s worth 50 million and has comparable stats to the very best DM’s in European football would be kept out of the first team by Ceballos and Elneny and is being compared with Joe fucking Willock. Val you really outdo yourself sometimes

  38. G

    “Thanks Martinez for your heroics. Shame you didn’t have the bottle to fight for your place like every other professional in the team.”
    Why should he fight for his spot.. He waited for his chance, done brilliant then was told he’d be back on the bench

  39. Ernest Reed

    “Ffs don’t get mentalbris going on that again. Was bad enough the first time.”

    If he can keep pace and delivers, don’t care if he’s 50!

  40. Mr Serge

    Diss by watching them both play on that thing called a TV i can judge that Partey is three times the player
    oh and by him being a mainstay of a CL team and not being farmed out to fernabache

  41. shad

    I think as of now, Aouar may be the more urgent acquisition than Partey. We need a quick ball mover in the final third at the centre of the pitch, and someone who can dribble outside the 18 in tight spaces. I’ve seen Ceballos do it but I think Arteta sees more of his value in a 6/8 position so that he can ease pressure off a press (he is a good tackler) and someone who can launch a precise counter.

  42. Ernest Reed

    My concern on Aouar, is he “ready to roll” quality or are we looking at yet another French League player who will take a year or more to “acclimatize” themselves?

  43. shad

    @Dissenter,

    Equally not a fan of ElNeny either, though he has played fairly well since he came back. I didn’t think he’d cope with the high-tempo passing Arteta wants but so far he has kept it moving and tidily enough. My issue is he is not a differentiator in the hard games – where you need a pass threaded from deep to say launch a quick counter. His shooting is also piss poor neither is he strong/aggressive on the ball. That’s the differential between him and Henderson. And to go toe to toe with the top teams, you need a little bit more sauce from players in all positions.

  44. shad

    I wonder if Arteta maybe wants to instil a false confidence in some players with the hopes of increasing their value up to at least January for a quick fire sale?

  45. Ernest Reed

    “I wonder if Arteta maybe wants to instil a false confidence in some players with the hopes of increasing their value up to at least January for a quick fire sale?”

    I have a feeling thats its not Shad, Arteta has shown himself to be very genuine in his desire to wipe the slates clean for many and see if he can turn things around with them.

    Saying the above I also recognize that he likely has a threshold that, thus far, only two have pushed beyond and they truly are persona non gratis (Ozil and Guen come easily to mind).

  46. Valentin

    Marko,

    I am not saying that what is going to happen, but that would be funny how some here would lose their shit about Partey not making the starting eleven.

    You do realise that players have different roles and different characteristics. Managers are also entitled to have different opinions on players.

    Partey plays in a very defensive setting, he is a lot more physical than any of our players, but right now physiciality and running power is not our more pressing issue, intelligent forward passing is.

    And on that criteria , Arteta may well decide that until he changes systems, he will continue with rotating between Elneny and Ceballos. Partey and Aouar may well be his combination for Europa League until both are accustomed to the league.

    Managers should judge players on their performance for a specific role, not based on their price tag. Otherwise according to you, clearly a manager with a £72 millions player would not put him on the bench and plays a 32 years old player who just joined on a free.
    🤔

  47. redbro14

    Pedro, thanks for sharing the link to the article charting our position with regard to squad value. I mean, we all knew this and debated it here for a long time, but seeing the data and graphs reveals the true horror of the mismanagement by the club. Kronke thought naively that Big Weng is a deity cost us dearly, and reveals the missed opportunity that was squandered after we moved to our new stadium. But better late than never, lets hope that we can look forward to a modern set up that will sustain us in the long term.
    Maybe Partey is too old and expensive and we should look at options like Soumarre?

  48. Dissenter

    Mr Serge
    No rational soul will argue with you had you just wote that Partey is a much better playerthan Elneny
    C’mon man, … 3X the player that Elneny

    What metric did you use? Whyt only 3X?
    Partey passes the ball laterally most of the time. When it needs to be moved forward, it is given to Saul – he’s the one you should be raving about.

  49. Dissenter

    Saul is the one that has the total midfield package, it’s no wonder Atletico signed him to a NINE year contract.
    Partey was the one being prepared for a transfer. Hope we get him so many can have their Partey-mania cured.

  50. Marko

    but that would be funny how some here would lose their shit about Partey not making the starting eleven.

    That would be funny to you? Very odd supporter that you are I could see it.

    I’ll be honest with you I gave up reading the rest of your comment knowing the kind of commenter that you are. The worst kind of know it all that’s you. Know fuck all but have an opinion on everything

  51. Captain Tierney

    Partey being compared to Willock.
    What is wrong with this fan base.

    Whats next?
    Nelson and Messi? , Eddie and R9?

  52. Marko

    Partey was the one being prepared for a transfer.

    Yes by offering him a 5 year deal in 2018 and refusing to negotiate with any team for his transfer. Makes. Perfect. Sense.

  53. Ernest Reed

    I suspect that Arsenal are waiting out Atleti on Partey. For as much as they truly believe that Partey is worth the asking price, reality tells them to sell for two very good reasons

    1. They are in financial trouble with a relatively new stadium to still pay for and
    2. Covid-19 is very real and teams no longer can generate the ridiculous revenues of past years

    Atleti will sell, and sell for far less than they want, its not really to their advantage as with each passing day his value decreases

    Arsenal may be desperate, but Atleti are in a far worse financial position.

  54. Captain Tierney

    Ernest

    Arsenal are waiting out because we dont have money and have to sell to buy.
    With Torreira, Aoaur and Sok we’ll have enough to get at least 1 of Aoaur and Partey over the line.

  55. Ernest Reed

    “Partey being compared to Willock.
    What is wrong with this fan base.Whats next?
    Nelson and Messi? , Eddie and R9?”

    Yep Captain Tierney, and there were some on here who went on about Walcott, Gibbs and Wilshere like they were the second coming of lord knows what?

    Reality is, Arsenal have cultivated a septic tank of talent over the years, it just takes some more time to realize that air doesn’t smell like crap simply because it does.

  56. Ernest Reed

    Yes CT, and now Arsenal will actually be forced to do something they have seldom done in past – be smart in the transfer window.

  57. Red Army

    ‘ The worst kind of know it all that’s you. Know fuck all but have an opinion on everything’

    Marko is this your self appraisal?

  58. Valentin

    Ernest,

    No the problem is the “fans” who can’t be bother to read an entire comment and write answer about it.
    The comparison was about the characteristics of a player. What Partey has that none of our players have is dynamism, physicality and running power. The only midfielder who shares some of this characteristics is Willock. And as was written, Partey is much better than Willock, but I doubt that he is £30 millions better than Willock.

    For the rest, I find his forward passing poor. It could be because of Athletico style of play, but I suspect it is more due to the player himself.

  59. shad

    “I have a feeling thats its not Shad, Arteta has shown himself to be very genuine in his desire to wipe the slates clean for many and see if he can turn things around with them”

    But to what end? The squad is excessively bloated and he has to cull the team whether he likes it or not. The new title he was awarded (manager) means it comes with greater responsibility. He is no longer all about patterns on the pitch, he has to adjust to making hard decisions (including selling or freezing out players). He no longer can hide behind Raul’s shadow or lay it on Edu. Edu culled the scouting team and has shown he has the cajones to do drastic measures on man management. Arteta is still molly coddling handing out gummy bears..

  60. salparadisenyc

    Partey has a clause that can be triggered, pretty simple unless your Arsenal and Liverpool with Suarez in the balance and you add a cheeky £1 on the end which implodes entire deal. Imagine if Gazidis just bucked up the extra reported extra £5m they wanted and we got Suarez.

    Regarding Partey, could easily see United tuck right in and pull him.

    Curious who the alternate options are, would be very this window to pine over two players non stop then have club announce other option.

  61. Ernest Reed

    “Arteta is still molly coddling handing out gummy bears..”

    Having mentored under Pep, i would suggest that Arteta certainly is capable of being “that guy” who can make the tough decisions, Shad.

    I believe he is doing exactly what he is saying, wiping the slate clean and truly evaluating what he has available to him. Removing all doubt is likely what he is about at this point in time.

    As many are saying, the team has little to no money to play with, so you have to make the most with what you have, until such time you can improve through transfers.

    Arteta is up to the task, of that i have little doubt. Where i have great doubt are with those above him who have made highly questionable transfer decisions in the past, sufficiently so that its handcuffed the organization today.

  62. Ernest Reed

    “No the problem is the “fans” who can’t be bother to read an entire comment and write answer about it.”

    To wit, that was not my reference point Valentin, perhaps taking your own advice may prove beneficial.

  63. Pedro

    Shad, he binned Mesut Ozil and our most valuable youth players. He’s coddling anyone. If players haven’t moved on, that’s because there’s no offer, or no suitable offer.

  64. Valentin

    Sal,

    Pretty easy to trigger the release clause if you got the cash to do it. If you don’t, you then have to find loose pennies at the back of the sofa and beg for the offer to be accepted.

    It was reported that Athletico has a clause in their loans covenant that they can only use 25% of the money raised by sale toward replacing players. So it does make sense for them to stay with exactly the same squad or to sell at an inflated price so the replacement less experienced player is only worth 25% of the sold player.

  65. Ernest Reed

    “Elneny is a midfielder for Egypt which is ranked higher than Ghana by fifa
    Let that sink in”

    That makes absolutely no sense Sid, and I’m telling you this for absolutely free!

  66. Dissenter

    Valentin
    “For the rest, I find his forward passing poor. It could be because of Athletico style of play, but I suspect it is more due to the player himself.”

    Exactly, some of the people presenting Partey like he’s some complete midfielder only watch him play when AM play English clubs. When the ball needs to be adavanced up the pitch at Atletico….it goes to Saul. Partey moves the ball laterally more that Marko may want to admit.

    3X the play Elneny is?
    I’m no Elneny fan and even I will call BS on that nonsense.

  67. Valentin

    The last days of the TW will be an even bigger mas dash than usual. Everybody is waiting to see who will blink first.

    I think that we will get Odsonne Edouard as a replacement for Lacazette who will end up in Spain or in Italy.
    I hope that we get Aouar, but right now I would take Soumare above both Aouar and Partey.

    My concern with Aouar would be that he could get into a fight with Arteta about his non-negotiables and sulk for the rest of the season.

    Regarding Partey, unless we switched to a back 4 and have 3 players in midfield, at the price mentioned and the wage suggested he would not have the characteristics necessary to take us forward. I can’t see Arteta dropping Xhaka and Ceballos passing is so much better than Partey dynamism and running power would become relevant only against team like Burnley and any other team trying to physically bully us.

  68. Bamford10

    The bottom line re Elneny is that he has played well recently and Arteta clearly likes him and has praised him in high terms. Whether you or I or Red Army thinks Elneny is good enough is somewhat beside the point; all that matters is what Arteta thinks. If Arteta likes Elneny and thinks he can rely on him, and you disagree with this, your disagreement is with Arteta, not Red Army.

  69. Valentin

    Dissenter,

    We are both in agreement about Partey. He is a good player, but his main characteristics is his dynamism, running power. In our current setup our central midfielders are not allowed to run forward, so his main strength will be negated.

    People need to realise that it is easier to look impressive as a DM in a very defensive team. Most of the actions is about blocking, intercepting play, so any player in that zone is seen a lot more. The most impressive DMs are the one who can combine both aspect defensive, but also running power with the ability to make sliding passes. On that point, I find Partey lacking, especially at the figures quoted. Having been caught in the Torreira overhype mania, you would think that some fans would be more cautious before heralding Partey as our saviour.

  70. Ernest Reed

    “In our current setup our central midfielders are not allowed to run forward, so his main strength will be negated.”

    Could it be because those currently in play are not those types of player, mobile?

  71. shad

    @Pedro,

    Wasn’t binning Özil orders from above re: Raul? Only player I can say he openly binned was Guendouzi – and even he seems to have been brought back into the fold. All I’m saying is, the clean slate makes a good PR supplement but it’s not exactly helping us on the TW front is it? I know we’ll have to take a few more Ls before semblance of a transfer strategy and personnel is recognized but it wouldn’t hurt to say, terminate contracts? Or am I being obtuse?

    @Ernst,

    My worry is the bloated squad and who will make the 25 man squad. Our strategy isn’t exactly pulling down trees. In terms of player values, I gave up on that a long while ago. Look, even Kola now says he’ll fight for his place because he knows he won’t get anywhere close to the £100k p/w he is making now,

  72. shad

    “My concern with Aouar would be that he could get into a fight with Arteta about his non-negotiables and sulk for the rest of the season.”

    Does Aouar have disciplinary issues? Haven’t seen any article towards that..

  73. Bamford10

    I don’t know if I think Elneny is good enough for a top four starting XI — I don’t think Xhaka is— but I do see why Arteta likes Elneny. He’s energetic, he’s tidy with the ball and hardly ever gives it away, and he always shows into spaces, wants the ball and makes himself available. The latter is enormously important to Pep & I assume Arteta.

    Comparing Elneny to Partey is unfair to Elneny and doesn’t really make sense. Very different kinds of CMs.

  74. Dissenter

    Val
    “I think that we will get Odsonne Edouard as a replacement for Lacazette who will end up in Spain or in Italy.”

    I dion’t think Laca will be sold. Reportedly he was reassured about his place and I think the manager ispleased with him.

  75. Ernest Reed

    “Look, even Kola now says he’ll fight for his place because he knows he won’t get anywhere close to the £100k p/w he is making now,”

    Criminal what he is getting paid, part of the Insanity Collection from Wenger-Zidis.

  76. Captain Tierney

    Athletico have reportedly rejected a whopping 89mil bid from Man City for Jimenez.

    shad

    Valentin has inside sources everywhere.

  77. China1

    We’ve agreed 22m torreira deal to Torino

    10m up front 1 year loan with the rest next summer

    Surely this deal will be enough for us to finally bring in our next player….pretty please!!

  78. Valentin

    Shad,

    At Lyon his last 3 managers have complained about his attitude and in some case lack of professionalism. He missed on getting a cap with France earlier because he had a fight with his club and Deschamps who did not like his attitude decided against selecting him. If I remember correctly Deschamps called Guendouzi from the U21 instead.

    He is ambitious and know what he wants, but that lead to accusation of choosing the games he applies himself and a lack of respect toward some of Lyon’s staff.

  79. Ernest Reed

    “City have pissed all over FFP, gotten away with it and just keep on rolling.”

    He who has the most money generally calls the shots, Sal. Unfortunate.

  80. redbro14

    Must admit I was jealous of Everton midfield purchases. Allan + Rodrigues. Seemed to run the game against Spurs, apparently without any time needed for acclimatisation to the new league. Spurs did give them time and space to play, but still impressive nevertheless. Exactly the profile of players we also need and are looking to bring in this window. Richarlison also a massive potential if he could only find his shooting boots, or pass it to a teammate. Everton will be up there this season….

  81. Red Army

    Dissenter no I don’t I think it’s an exaggeration. It was more the opinion on everything…without anything but guess work.

  82. shad

    @Bamford,

    Interesting between Xhaka and Elneny. Elneny is good to have as a rotational CM. Good engine, tidy on the ball, won’t screw up a 5 yard pass at least. He also won’t bomb into a two footed lunge. However in a dead-locked game, he doesn’t have the confidence or guile to attempt a cross field pass to exploit an overload. He won’t take a crack at goal even when given the space (always side foots his shots, not a laces-through guy) and he doesn’t add value attacking wise (can’t take or meet set pieces, dribble to draw fouls, or take that risky pass that could send an attacker through on goal). In these areas, Xhaka edges him and I think that’s the concession Arteta has made. So all in all, IMO, he’ll always be a 6/10 midfielder. Xhaka will oscillate between a brain fart 4/10 to a worldie 9.5/10. Elneny guaranteed, if he tried his hardest, will only manage a 7.5.

  83. Valentin

    Wasi,

    No need to have source about Aouar, you just need to read l’Equipe (the top French Sport newspapers) and their interview.
    More difficult than sniping at people.

  84. Leedsgunner

    G

    ““Thanks Martinez for your heroics. Shame you didn’t have the bottle to fight for your place like every other professional in the team.”
    Why should he fight for his spot.. He waited for his chance, done brilliant then was told he’d be back on the bench

    Fair enough point, however the principle remains… the manager should have the sole choice to play who he wants to play.

    Martinez was played in the Charity Shield… you didn’t have Leno bleating on did you?

    In demanding a starting spot he is showing ambition but unfortunately he is also undermining the manager’s right to change and choose his team as he sees fit.

  85. R.S.P.C.Arsenal

    I’m like most would love to see youth thrown in where possible.

    However for this season not to be over by November he needs to drip youth into the team as first subs.

    Sad to see emi go.
    Good luck to him

    But as Leeds says should be a yard stick for Macy.

  86. shad

    @Valentin,

    Aaah. That sucks.

    Though players do change based on also their new sorroundings, dresser and the coach. We were all regaled with tales of how Auba was a problem child, toxic to the dressing room, would miss trainings..yet here we are, worshipping his Golden Lambo, laughing at his Insta stories, creaming our pants over how he has saved our season and how he deserves the Ballon d’Or, Nobel Peace Prize, A FIFA rating of 97…

  87. Valentin

    Ernest,

    Aouar may have finally grown up and realised that if he wants to be in the French squad for the Euro, he needs to play consistently for his team and be professional. Toward the end of the Lyon season, he had patched up thing with Garcia.

    But he could as well relapse in his bad habits if things do not work his way. He is the same type of character than Guendouzi, fiery, independent and ambitious that need to handled with a firm but a light touch. Also his entourage may be the kind that bring more baggage and issues than most.

  88. Marc

    RVP had a reputation of being difficult etc which was never an issue for us. I’m sure Arteta and Edu would have done due diligence on the player.

  89. MidwestGun

    your disagreement is with Arteta,
    ________
    Huh? Why would my disagreement be with Arteta because two numbskulls on Le Grove were arguing over whether Elneny is vastly improved or not? Arteta had to play the hand he was dealt in the preseason and early season because he wasn’t sure whether even Ceballos would be back or not. And because Ceballos wasn’t ready and LT is being moved on by all accounts. . As it turns out Arteta’s system allows many different players with more limited ability to excel..AMN, Xhaka, Elneny, Luiz,Holding, Eddie to some extent. That’s good coaching. Pretty sure Arteta is looking to upgrade on Elneny and doesn’t think he is the ultimate answer or we wouldn’t be stressing over all the links to midfielders like Partey and company as there wouldn’t be any links.

  90. Valentin

    Shad,

    I try to make the distinction between the character that people want to show off and how they behave at work.
    Auba has always been an extrovert and sometimes that rubs people the wrong way.
    Most of the story that he was a bad influence were when he wanted to leave Dortmund. Having told them, he was not going to extend with them, Dortmund had a massive offer from China that they wanted him to accept and he refused.
    If he had been so disruptive, Dortmund would not have tried to extend him beforehand.

  91. China1

    I’m really excited if the torreira deal is confirmed as I’m growing tired of the endless transfer statements and constant talk of loans leading to nowhere

    22m is either enough to get us over the line with our next player or one more sale would likely be enough. Make it happen arsenal!

    Also I hope it’s true we sell laca and replace with edouard. I think Laca will have a good year under arteta if he stays tbh, but he’s late 20s and his value is not going to go up. If we replaced we could have a better player, bigger, faster, several years younger, higher ceiling and have money to spare afterwards. You could even flog Laca for 35m (we’d probably get a bite at that price as well) and still probably be net 5-10m in the black after signing ed. It just seems like a no brained on paper if it can be done. Left over money + left over money from Martinez (-replacement) + torreira money and you can buy partey…

  92. Leedsgunner

    Don’t write Aouar off yet. Remember that Aubameyang threw a massive hissy fit to make his move out of BvB… and over to us. He’s been amazing. Plus,I have more than enough faith in Arteta’s man management skills.

    Here’s a thought. Imagine if we acquired PEA instead of Olivier Giroud… in 2012. If we had.I reckon by now PEA might have seriously challenged TH14’s all time scoring record… even if he had to develop with the club.

    Anyone else agree?

  93. MidwestGun

    Sal-
    Well.. To be fair it’s early. I haven’t had any adult beverages, yet.. I could still launch a rant about how we need Coutinho to complete our Samba time revolution.

  94. shad

    “Here’s a thought. Imagine if we acquired PEA instead of Olivier Giroud… in 2012. If we had.I reckon by now PEA might have seriously challenged TH14’s all time scoring record… even if he had to develop with the club.”

    Interesting thoughts Leeds but we’d lose a quite a bit of Giroud’s link-up play. His one touch around the box and also hold up play served well. And he is more of aerial threat than TH14.

  95. Luteo Guenreira

    I also thought Elneny has performed pretty well his last few appearances, and this is from someone who had written him off as absolutely nothing player years ago. If he can perform to this level consistently, he might be considered someone good enough to spell the first team for stretches in case of injury or emergency, but you can’t really be expecting dynamic performances from him. Would have been happy for him if he scored his chance yesterday, still no PL goals for Arsenal from him.

    But surprise surprise that he looks better when the team’s positioning has improved and players are where their teammates expect them to be, it’s like it almost never happened with AMN and Xhaka.

  96. shad

    @Midwest,

    To be fair, Arteta really did play the hand he was dealt. Even the kitman and groundsman are more aggressive by Elneny’s version of events.

  97. R.S.P.C.Arsenal

    Lot of sniping going on chaps.

    Relax started well, club looks like it’s going in right direction after some bad driving previous years.
    I still expect chambers to Fulham soon btw.