The ROI on Arsenal transfers (not pretty) + Emi swells the midfield joy fund

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Well, that was a wonderful weekend.

Spurs lost to Carlo’s attack-minded Everton side. James looked every bit the silk machine from 2014. Spurs looked, well, they looked very Jose Mourinho. I’ve been watching All or Nothing, it’s a lot of fun, but I’m not sure the reimagination of Jose Mourinho really came through as strong as he may have liked. He’s living in the past, he’s tactically weak, and his man-management approach just doesn’t sit well with players of this era.

Just look at that headline, then remember how many people were envious that he was going to Spurs.

‘True winner’

‘He’s had some personal problems, he’s finally happy’

‘This squad is perfect for him’

Let’s hope Daniel Levy’s teenage man-crush keeps him at the club for the full length of the deal. He’s the disaster they deserve. Spurs stagnation will continue.

West Ham crashed to Newcastle. What a disaster they’re having. The stories I’m hearing and reading are absolutely unbelievable. Long may that continue. It’s always a tough day out, but a focused performance against a team in open revolt against ownership could be exactly what the doctor ordered.

United lost to Villa in a friendly, also hilarious. On the topic of their team, I find the rounding on Mason Greenwood disgraceful. Harry McG gets into a ruck, allegedly tries to bribe the coppers, and he’s rolled out on the BBC like a victim. Greenwood pulls babe on Tinder and engages in the lamest legal high going and he’s treated like he’s asked to reintegrate from the Caliphate. The bullying of young English kids in the media is abhorrent, I thought we’d seen an end to it after the last World Cup… the only way it stops is if we stop clicking the links.

Chelsea up this evening. I am very interested to see what Frank Lampard has to offer the top 3 this season. Hopefully, it’s a big serving of fuck-all, but we’ll see. They have had a very sexy summer, if things click, they are going to be a force of nature this season.

The big Sunday Arsenal news was the Emi Martinez deal. The Argentine cup hero has moved to Villa in a transfer worth about £20m. It’s sad, because I think he’s performed above and beyond expectations, but the reality is Arsenal aren’t at a level where we can afford to have two elite keepers. That’s a tremendous fee for someone that’s been with us gathering loan dust for 10 years. Emi gets to play regularly and bump his is pay by a multiplier of 6 / Arsenal add some pennies to the SAVE OUR MIDFIELD fund.

The story doing the rounds is that we’re in for Runar Alex Runarsson to replace him (comp here). He’s Icelandic, very handsome, and he plays in Dijon so he must be mustard. Lololol. He looks like a fun keeper, fast off his line, a good shot-stopper… a puncher from crosses though. I have no idea how good my analysis of the four-minute video is, but this is the sort of signing I’m down for. If you-know-who was here, we’d be ploughing pound notes into a 7 year Neto deal.

Aouar and Partey is the summer vision, people at the club think they can make it happen, we just have to push forward and make the deals happen by selling some deadwood and moving our swap plans forward. All is not as it seems, as is always the case with transfers. What certain execs are telling the press might not marry with their true intentions. There’s a lot of posturing going on.

We have almost 3 weeks of the window to go. Keep an eye on Torreira, Kola, Sokratis, Guendouzi, and Reiss. That’s where the magic is likely to happen. Maybe even Mustafi, but I think he might be in the same boat as Mesut Ozil > In love with the deal.

Whatever happens, I’m convinced we’ll end the transfer window with a set of players that will at the very least compete for top 4.

It’ll be a tough season though. Everything is going our way at the moment, but there will be dark times. The reimagination of Arsenal will have plenty of bumps in the road, but for once, you can’t deny that we’re following the correct process.

We have to take the season in mini-phases.

The current phase of games takes us to the international break. We need to have racked up 9 points to be on target. West Ham and Sheffield United are two must-win games. The Liverpool game will always come with low expectations, but at least we’re now in a position as a club where you pretty much know that we’ll show up with a game plan that if executed well, will give them something to think about. Leeds got at them, Liverpool were fragile at the back, there’s no reason we can’t do the same.

Phase two after is going to be very, very important. City, Leicester and United on the bounce… capped with a final game against Villa. Come out of that run with 7-8 points and we are cooking. The crazy thing is, it doesn’t matter what phase you look at, most games are tough these days. There are 8 teams competing for top 4 this season. That’s mad. You know what’d make all those games a little easier? AOUAR AND PARTEY. Let’s see if this week brings a breakthrough.

Before I go, I would like to point you in the direction of a truly excellent article from Andrew Shanoudi over at Medium. Grab a coffee and take 10 minutes to read his excellent analysis of why Arsenal have been a bit shit over the years. His use of data and clever graphs paints a grim picture of where things have gone wrong, but it also gives you hope, because we’re addressing the issues with some smart moves.

A couple of highlights were that he calculates our ROI on players.

To put matters into perspective, for every million pound Arsenal net spent on their squad, they lost 99% of what that million should’ve added in squad value. It’s the worst possible ROI ratio among the premier league’s top eight teams, utterly unacceptable for a team that is supposedly trying to close the gap.

This graph also shows the value we’ve lost in player sales.

STAGGERING. What a fucking great read that was. I wish I could make graphs and smart arguments like that.

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Now for my plug. Get some Arsenal Opinion in your ear holes. This week, I talk to Alex, we chatted about the Fulham game and we have a transfer orgy of sorts. Enjoy, leave a 5* rating, don’t you dare pull the trigger on a 1*. I am watching.

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427 Responses to “The ROI on Arsenal transfers (not pretty) + Emi swells the midfield joy fund”

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  1. Emiratesstroller

    Reading today’s report in Telegraph on match between Spurs and Everton you see everything that is awful about Mourinho. He is full of excuses for the result, the performance of his team calling them lazy, unfit and affected by CV.

    I do hope that Spurs have a really bad season resulting in M getting the sack and Kane leaving the club. They are frankly a bang average team.

    Arsenal are one player short in midfield of a team which will challenge this season for a top
    4 place. I still believe that Partey is the better option than Aouar for this season, because he will add physicality and control in that department.

    The arrival of Partey will allow us to play in central midfield with Xhaka, Ceballos or even
    Willian alongside him. This may not be as creative as with Aouar included in team but will
    add strength to spine.

  2. Leftside

    You know why the likes of Greenwood will get more criticism but thats another topic. I wonder why British press are always so quick to tear down their own players anyway.

  3. CazOnARola

    The money Boringho stays at s*urs the better.
    You don’t want Kane leaving them, cause he will probably end up at United making them stronger.

  4. Goobergooner

    ES,

    I believe Partey will be a better decision if we only manage one.
    It will allow us to play more flexibly with formations and get the 433 variations going.

    Willian can play cam, esr unless on loan will get minutes, Saka can potentially play there.
    Even Ceballos if we have xhaka/elneny and Partey base.

    And I just can’t justify going into another season with the rock in the centre we have been crying out for for so long. Xhaka was meant to be that. He isn’t. Ceballos is a different style but can definitely get stuck in to the dirty defensive side.

    We just need a beast that can take the ball from a CB and dribble through a midfield. Or receive that half turn pass and either play a pass forward or continue moving into space bypassing a player or 2, as well as reading the play, being in the right places to stop a quick counter, being able to cut passing lanes quickly, being able to TRACK BACK not just run your granite legs off to no avail in catching the man who just passed you with ease.

    Yes the AM is the more glorified position, but overall a team needs to be able to control a midfield against the best and the worst and we are far from that with the starters we have now.

  5. Goobergooner

    Without* the rock in mid.

    Haha and that’s kind of ironic as we have had old granit in the centre the last few seasons 😂

  6. Jamie

    Spurs deserve everything that’s coming to them. Sacking Poch and replacing with Mourinho is one of the dumbest moves in football. Love it!

    They’ll sink under their debt load with a couple seasons out of the CL.

    /popcorn

  7. kamal

    What a weekend… We win 3-0, keep a clean sheet. Willian & Gabriel have a cracking debut. The Spurs shitshow begins! Add Partey to the squad, and we could be in the mix for 3rd if Lampard fails to get Chelsea going, and United keep believing in the false dawn that is OGS. Happy days ahead.

  8. kristoman

    there are really bunch of babies on the on the site. just bc he lost one match and we win one arteta is is the best and mourihno is the dud. okay

  9. Goobergooner

    Also didn’t need a graph to see we are shit at buying and worse at selling.

    But that really is appalling to read.

    99% of value lost hahahaha. Fuck I can’t even comprehend how shite that is.

    That also says quite a bit about our spending the last few seasons since Wenger splashed on xhaka mustafi and Perez. We over spend on shit and undersell our assets.

    Sanchez and Ramsey should have made us 100m but there is some culpable pricks who shafted us from the inside.

    I’m actually annoyed you brought this up 😂😂😂 after telling CG he was trolling on a good day hahaha.

    Very good post again Pedro

  10. TT

    On a slightly different note. Arsenal has now been in the top division in England since 1919. No other club can say the same.

    Over 100 years unbroken in topflight.

  11. kamal

    Kristoman,

    If reveling in the sweet journey that is the implosion of Mourinho & Spurs is being a Baby, I’d rather be one.

    And no one is saying Arteta is the best, but he certainly has galvanized a fractured structure at Arsenal & a divided fan base. So nothing wrong with being a little excited. Arsenal fans have had to wait a long time before they’ve had any reason at all to be excited!

    So let the babies in & let’em have some fun. Its been long overdue!

  12. Dark Hei

    “there are really bunch of babies on the on the site. just bc he lost one match and we win one arteta is is the best and mourihno is the dud. okay”

    There is always this guy at the party who stands with his arms crossed telling everyone that they shouldn’t enjoy themselves because of the economy or something.

  13. kristoman

    my point exactly jamal. what implosion are you talking about? spurs finish above us last season and they are in europe. so forgive me if i dont see any implosion you are talking about or is it because he lost his first match so has alreadyt imploded?

  14. Red Army

    Jamie did you see what Mikel said about Elneny and his performances since he can back?

    I’ll give you a clue, it had fuck all to do with stats.

  15. Emiratesstroller

    First of all I don’t think that Arsenal plan seriously to buy two new midfielders of the calibre
    of Partey and Aouar in the current transfer window. It will be one or other, because the club
    are not going to spend another £100 million+ above what has already been spent. I think that
    we have maybe £50 million left to spend assuming that we can generate £40-50 million in this transfer window and offload unwanted high wage earners like Sokratis, Mustafi and Kolasinac.

    Partey will be the best option, because Arsenal need to recruit experience and control in midfield. There are enough technically gifted players in squad who could play in team if
    we operate with a solid base.

    Arsenal have already speculated with recruitment of young defenders and I would prefer to
    buy experience in midfield.Aouar is obviously a talented player, but rather like Saliba would
    need time to adapt to the English game whereas I am fairly sure Partey has the experience
    and background to perform from the off.

  16. Red Army

    kristoman if you can’t understand why arsenal fans are ripping the piss out of a) Mourinho b) spuds losing c) Mourinho managing a shit spuds team to a loss then you need to pick a different sport to watch and maybe educate yourself with a bit of history.

  17. kristoman

    by all means red army hate on the guy. hell even me dislike him. but stop saying he is going to or he is already imploding bc i dont see it happening. now am not jumping up with joy just bc he lost a match.

  18. Pierre

    I’ve always believed that the manager is the most important person at a football club , he will determine
    the success or failure of a football club.

    Never has it been more true than what we are seeing with Arteta at this present time.

    He has managed to change the whole outlook of the club and fans in less than a year with the same group of players that looked clueless and were heading towards a relegation battle.

    I will look at 4 players that have been at the club a number of years, Mustafi , Xhaka AMN and Elneny .

    These 4 have been the target of sustained criticism from the fans, some of it warranted I think it’s fair to say.

    They deserve credit for turning their Arsenal careers around but of course the main credit must be given to Mikel Arteta.

    If Arteta can improve senior professionals in this way then imagine what he will bring to our academy players coming through in the next few years.

    Anyone wanting to leave Àrsenal football club at this present time will regret it.

    Quality players will want to join the Arteta revolution and I can only see the club going in one direction.

    Fair do’s to Charlie, he never wavered in his defence of Xhaka, the confidence that Arteta is bringing to Xhaka’s game is good to see, he will always have his limitations in his game but Arteta has him playing to a much higher level.

  19. kamal

    Kristoman,

    Wow…

    I guess I am a baby… but a happy one!

    Spurs lost. There manager given his excellent track record at imploding, looks like going down that route, and that is ‘ME HAPPY.’

    🙂

  20. Jamie

    Red –

    How did unequivocally vastly improved Elneny do in the friendly vs Villa? Any quotes from Arteta?

    2 decent performances and you’ve shot your load like a teenager. Hilarious. Come back for your victory lap in June when vastly improved Elneny’s been nothing more than a bit part cup player.

    Looking forward to your excuses. Or your disappearing act.

  21. kamal

    And hey I can see where you are coming from…

    But when was the last time us Arsenal fans went into a season this excited… So, maybe, just maybe its fine to get a little carried away and have fun seeing Spurs being miserable!

  22. Champagne charlie

    Kristoman

    You think Arteta’s football is comparable to Mourinho’s so no real need to dive further into your view on the matter.

    Mourinho has imploded at his last three clubs, he’s now at Spurs. Do the math as an Arsenal fan.

  23. DM

    Re Martinez (£20m): “That’s a tremendous fee”

    No it bloody isn’t. I’m so angry about this. I understand that maybe we can’t justify having two excellent keepers (although, really? I would’ve thought that would be a great thing) but making out that £20m is some magic number… no way. I KNOW that covid has changed things, but even so. We are so shit at maximising our sales numbers. If it was a different club, after the season Martinez had, they would’ve said “If you want him he’ll cost you £75m”. And then quite happily either keep him (which is what I wanted), or sell him if a big enough offer comes in (it wont be 75, obviously, but it better be more than bloody 20).

    Think about it, what the hell is £20m in the greater scheme of things? In a year or 2 that money will mean nothing. AND we have to flipping REPLACE him now, so some of that money is going to go on that! So realistically, we’ll make maybe 10-12m from the sale of a player who might just go on to be absolutely phenomenal. It’s a joke. I’m so happy with most things going on at our club right now, but absolutely livid about this. Martinez deserved better.

  24. Sid

    Elneny is like a new signing

    Laca wil leave for 35, we will get Edouard for 22m add martinez money, papasok money to get Aouar.

  25. Graham62

    Every Spurs fan will be down in the dumps today.

    No, it’s not just because they lost yesterday and the sudden realisation that JM is a shite fit for them, it is the fact that after moving into their brand spanking new stadium, they no longer have a team capable of competing for top honours.

    Also, On top of all of this, they all know that we are the team on the up and that London is suddenly turning red again.

    Life is good.

  26. Stew

    ES – fully agree with your assessments on the midfield situation and options.

    Pedro – you talked about the new goalie position (Icelandic guy), but I’m sure I read that we are trying to get David Raya from Brentford (handy, as we have the former Brentford goalkeeping coach). A very good option imho.

  27. Pierre

    Arteta has taken the positives from Jose’s style of football when he was at his best , namely organisation, discipline and team work.

    Although it was only Fulham, there were signs that we will play a more expansive game, there was a definite improvement in our passing between the lines and into the midfield area.

  28. DM

    Jamie

    He wanted to leave IF he wasn’t going to be given his chance. He wanted the number one shirt. Personally I think he’d earned it, for now. Tell him he’s going to be starting in the league for now, but Leno is breathing hard down his back, and it will be down to performances on the pitch and in training etc. I’m sure he’s happy to stay given those assurances (and sticking to them).

  29. China1

    Spurs fans will be down in the dumps today when they wake up and remember that they support spurs. I’ll just leave it at that

  30. Freddie Ljungberg

    “According to the Athletic’s David Ornstein (subscription required), West Ham have earmarked Arsenal hard-man Sead Kolasinac Palmieri as one of their left-back targets.

    Ornstein reports that the Hammers have prioritised strengthening their defence before the transfer window closes, it’s claimed that Kolasinac is a left-back target alongside Chelsea ace Emerson Palmieri”

    Yes please.

    Also the Icelandic goalkeeper is reported to cost 1.5m so there will be plenty left of the Martinez fee to chuck at a midfielder.

  31. Red Army

    Jamie you’re full of shit and lack balls to have an opinion of your own that isn’t from the herd and has already gathered popularity.

    What’s a behind closed doors friendly got to do with anything? You’re flapping and it’s hilarious.

    I don’t think Elneny is going to be in the running for the Balon D’or this season but my opinion was it’s clear that he’s vastly improved, enough to be a valid option in our squad this season and I think Mikel agrees with me.

    Arteta:
    ‘ Mo has been excellent since day one in training. ’
    ‘Today he was phenomenal.’
    ‘I think he needed a little bit of belief.’ (That’s confidence Jamie if you were struggling to find the stat for it)
    ‘He fully deserves his chance. He trains every day with the best spirit, he wants to learn, and he’s performing really well.’

    Jamie:
    ‘ 2 decent performances and you’ve shot your load like a teenager.’

    So me and Mikel have shot our load? Haha ok mate.

    Jamie just give it up you sound like a desperate prick. You’ve called this very wrong. Open your eyes and accept that players can improve even if you don’t like them or view them as 1st XI they can still add value.

  32. Jamie

    DM –

    I hear you. Emi performed to a high standard for sure. It’s a shame we’re losing him, but I think most would’ve jumped at the chance to cash in on him for £20m this time last season.

    If we can use some of that money towards a midfielder, I think we’ll be in better shape than if he stayed.

    Never nice to see a decent player who’s been with the club for a decade leave, but I’m convinced the squad improves by adding a solid midfielder with some of the Emi money.

  33. kamal

    Pedro,

    Agree with the list of players you’ve mentioned who can sold to raise funds, expect for Reiss.

    I ain’t no expert but it feels with Arteta at helm, Reiss if given the opportunity can become something special.

  34. Valentin

    Can people stop with the now debunked story that Martinez wanted to leave, because according to British newspaper Arteta told Martinez that he was going to play second fiddle to Leno and that he would not even get opportunity in Cup competitions because Arteta wants to go full on for the Cups as well. That spin Martinez departure as an Arteta decision.

    IMHO Arteta has made three wrong choices. Wrong decision 1, Martinez is the better keeper, so should not be behind Leno. Wrong decision 2) Having your main keeper plays in all major competition is the recipe to have an overworked goalkeeper and under prepared, unmotivated understudy. Wrong decision 3) I have seen the linked goalkeeper only in one game in which he was at fault for a goal. However all reports in France seems to indicate that he does not have a stellar reputation. So he may be cheap, but maybe it is because he is really crap.

    I have said numerous time before, buying crap players on long term contract because they are cheap always ending up costing more than they worth. It is the definition of a false economy. When the number 1 goalkeeper is injured/suspended and his understudy could not catch a cold in Antarctica, the club will be in trouble. You just need took at what that situation did to the confidence of WestHam when Fabiansky got injured. Their entire defensive setup got unsettled.

  35. Valentin

    Kristoman,

    The definition of a supporter is tribalism. You enjoy your victory and you revel in your opponent misery. When that guy has been a disrespectful thorn in your side even more.

    If you consider that childish, maybe you should not take football so seriously.

  36. Jamie

    Red –

    Angry little fucker, aren’t you? Cherry-picking 2 out of 3 games Elneny featured in to make a point is basement level stuff.

    Go dig up the quotes Arteta dropped about Ozil when he became the head coach. Still can’t get a game though. Strange.

    I didn’t say players can’t improve, I said Elneny hasn’t ‘vastly improved’ as a result of his loan in Turkey. He’s always been decend at making himself available for a pass, and one game vs Fulham where he played more forward passes than in 4 years doesn’t make him vastly improved. It means he’s had a good game (or two in this case).

    Comparing yourself to Arteta is incredible. Keep it up. Looking forward to your chat in June. We get a Partey or Aouar in midfield and vastly improved Elneny sits on the bench. Even Dani will get more minutes than Elneny this season.

  37. DM

    Jamie

    I get what you’re saying, and yes I hope we can improve the squad with the £20m, but I just think £20m is waaay too little. Of course we would’ve jumped at £20m this time last season, but we would’ve jumped at that for Saka, too. Would we take it now? I had very high hopes for Martinez, it was such a great story – he’d been with us for such a long time, was awful in that 7-5 against Reading, and didn’t really get his chance to show us what he could do. Then he’s thrown in out of necessity, and shows himself to be absolutely excellent, consistently, in every game he played for us. He should’ve at least been given the chance to continue this story and make himself an Arsenal hero. £20m? What a waste.

    Whatever, I’m just hurt by it.

  38. Freddie Ljungberg

    Val

    “Can people stop with the now debunked story that Martinez wanted to leave, because according to British newspaper Arteta told Martinez that he was going to play second fiddle to Leno and that he would not even get opportunity in Cup competitions because Arteta wants to go full on for the Cups as well. That spin Martinez departure as an Arteta decision.”

    So now a random news article is taken as gospel and the words of Martinez himself and his agent is dismissed? Seems very convenient.

    Seems pretty fanciful that Arteta wants Leno to play every single game just to spite Martinez but you believe what you want to believe, it’s your thing after all.

  39. DM

    Valentin

    Agree with pretty much everything.
    Although I doubt it’s true that Arteta told Martinez he wouldn’t even play cup games… that just doesn’t make sense. He’s not stupid, he’ll know we need some rotation when the games come thick and thin, and even if he doesn’t think Martinez is good enough to be number one, he’s clearly good enough to be number two. So I don’t really buy that.

    But yes, as I’ve been saying, big mistake.

  40. Jamie

    DM –

    Totally with you, and I’m sad he’s leaving as well. Came in and hardly put a foot wrong in 15 games.

    When was the last time we had two strong keepers fighting for the number 1 spot? If we sign a good midfielder and improve as a unit, all is forgiven in my book.

    Wish Emi the best. A solid professional who wanted a shot. I would’ve preferred he stayed and fought to displace Leno, but we really need to improve other areas of the squad.

    That said, there are half a dozen players I’d bin over Emi, that’s for sure.

  41. Nelson

    “Seems pretty fanciful that Arteta wants Leno to play every single game just to spite Martinez”

    This is exactly my reaction. I can’t believe that Arteta would say that.

  42. Dissenter

    Valentin
    Can people stop with the now debunked story that Martinez wanted to leave, because according to British newspaper Arteta told Martinez that he was going to play second fiddle to Leno and that he would not even get opportunity in Cup competitions because Arteta wants to go full on for the Cups as well. That spin Martinez departure as an Arteta decision‘

    I don’t believe Arteta or any other manager will tell a good back-up keeper that he won’t get opportunities in cup completions. That does make sense.
    Emi forced his exit, it was a calculated move because he had to have known what the outcome would be.

  43. Champagne charlie

    Val

    You’ve been nagging at Leno for some time and thought Martinez would be the hero in your crusade against the German. But that’s spectacularly failed because Arteta has much more sense, so now Arteta gets a bullet point list of why he’s wrong. Thanks Daily Mail, what a scoop.

  44. Dissenter

    The current footballing tradition is to play the reserve keeper for cup games. Arteta has always followed that until Leno got injured so why change now?
    That tabloid story doesn’t pass the smell test.

  45. Marc

    Valentin

    “Can people stop with the now debunked story that Martinez wanted to leave, ”

    Er debunked where? Can you provide a link to these stories?

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  47. Ernest Reed

    “Also, On top of all of this, they all know that we are the team on the up and that London is suddenly turning red again.”

    Impressive that you base this on a single match into the new season, Graham. Lets not forget where Each team finished last season, coupled with the fact that Arsenal beat a really poor Fulham squad. Perspective on over-reactions is the order of the day. Remember, Arsenal still have no midfield to speak of, a dodgy defence, and a rough patch of games coming up.

  48. Red Army

    Jamie you’re blind and you dismissed Mo’s performance vs Liverpool and now vs Fulham.

    He’s vastly improved or he wouldn’t be starting games for us. He’d be sent on loan again or sold. He’s a decent squad option.

    You’re flapping around trying to dismiss the obvious and its coming across as very desperate. The fact you think I’m comparing myself to Arteta shows the level you operate at.

    Me and Mikel currently have the same opinion on Elneny and you disagree with me, fair enough but do you disagree with him?

    You didn’t even think that confidence could play a part in Elnenys improved performances due to playing consistently well on loan, because there isn’t a stat for it, I don’t know why I’d expect you be man enough to admit you’re full of shit and make your judgments on a players performance from marks they get in the paper.

    A clueless sheep.

  49. Left testicle

    We shouldn’t be too hard on Mason Greenwood? The guy was away representing his country in a ‘bubble’ to protect his team mates and he invites two Icelandic slappers to his room. Not the sharpest tool in the box.

  50. Graham62

    Ernest

    Supporting Arsenal is all about pissing all over Spuds at every opportunity, you should know that..

    Do you really think I based this on us beating Fulham?

    Are you new to this?

    Just curious.

  51. Valentin

    Freddie,

    Where did I say that Arteta made that decision to spite Martinez? Have a word with yourself because you become ridiculous as nearly systematicy you deliberatedly miscontrue what other people says so that in your own little mind you can win an argument that was never about what you are arguing.

  52. Ernest Reed

    No Graham, i am not new to this. Just cautious as this squad doesn’t exactly instil great belief in its current incarnation.

  53. Valentin

    Marc,

    Every British newspaper have the same story. Arteta had a meeting with Martinez where he told him that he was not going to be No1 and that he was thinking of sticking to one goalkeeper for all major cup competitions.

    Arteta made the same decision with regard to Cup competition last season. Martinez was the Europa League goalkeeper, but Arteta put Leno in goal against Olympiakos and we all know how well Leno handled the situation. Conceding an unnecessary corner from which they scored to eliminate Arsenal. So yes I do believe that Arteta would select his No1 goalkeeper for all main cup competitions.

    As Arsenal manager Arteta is entitled to make that decision, but as a fan I am also entitled to think that this is the wrong decision.

    If Arteta really wanted a No2 who could challenge Leno, he would not go for the Dijon understudy Goalkeeper deemed not good enough by most people who have seen him play.

  54. Leftfootcurler

    I doubt Arteta wanted Martinez to leave. In our system of play,a GK’s passing quality is very important.

    Leno’s passing quality is nowhere close to Martinez.

    Also I am surprised that Leno wasn’t sold,being more experienced,surely we could have got more money for him?

    But of course,if we sell Martinez and invest in attack and midfield,we improve the team.

    I can understand Partey and Aouar not being done.

    But Auba’s contract signing not being done worries me.

    As for getting top 4,even if we get Partey and Aouar,we are far away from top 4.
    Just not enough goals.

    As for Jose,Spurs team suits him. Spurs attack and midfield is premier league winning quality. Defence is shit.

    If he doesn’t get atleast 80 points,its a massive failure for him.

  55. Jamie

    “Me and Mikel”

    Embarrassing.

    A preseason game and a game against relegation fodder (and ignoring his abject performance in another preseason game) has given you a raging hard-on. Real cute.

    See you in June, kid.

  56. Bamford10

    Ernest

    “Arsenal still have no midfield to speak of, a dodgy defence, and a rough patch of games coming up.”

    This comment allows me to point out that there are three camps on here at the moment: those who think we are good enough as is to compete for top four (“the optimists”); those who think we need two or more additional first-XI players to compete for top four (“the pessimists”); and those who think we need one high-quality midfielder to compete (“the middle-grounders”).

    It will surprise no one to learn that I am in the “pessimist” camp, but I do think Arteta and Edu are moving us in the right direction.

    Time will tell.

  57. Valentin

    Dissenter,

    I think you are forgetting that before Lenoy injury Arteta had made the decision not to use Martinez as his Europa League competition. That decision ultimately cost us the game and qualification.

    So the idea that Arteta will stick to his No1 goalkeeper for all major competitions is more plausible than Martinez and his agent orchestrating some nefarious move to end up at Villa.

  58. Ernest Reed

    Point about Martinez is that its obvious he was told he was not going to get first team minutes. Which is obviously what he wanted. On that i don’t begrudge him for wanting out.

    The obvious comes to mind, you don’t post up a decades worth of abject mediocrity and come good over your last 15 games and suddenly expect to be a number one. – 20 million is pretty good business for someone who honestly showed little to no value in their otherwise unremarkable career. Some people need to get over this one, it’s honestly a very good piece of business when you consider that Emi was never going to have his head in it after being told he’s a number two keeper.

  59. Champagne charlie

    “but Arteta put Leno in goal against Olympiakos and we all know how well Leno handled the situation. Conceding an unnecessary corner from which they scored to eliminate Arsenal.”

    No agenda here, move along…

  60. andy1886

    LT – The point is the more right wing press did their best to paint Harry McGuire as a victim and then slate Greenwood for something far less serious. It seems that attacking the police if they are ‘foreigns’ is perfectly okay, if not even admirable, but go within a mile of ‘drugs’ and you should be shot. Probably not a surprise that one is white and the other mixed race either (and I’m an older white male so no real reason to bring up the race card).

  61. Ernest Reed

    “It will surprise no one to learn that I am in the “pessimist” camp,”

    That is a fair assessment of your support at current.

    I am more optimistic, but equally am realistic about the current state of affairs, a work in progress and a good manager who knows the game and is a good motivator. Better days ahead, but it will take time and patience.

  62. Marc

    Ernest

    “Point about Martinez is that its obvious he was told he was not going to get first team minutes. ”

    Is it obvious? I take it more that Arteta wouldn’t guarantee that Martinez would be No 1 which is a world away from saying he wouldn’t get any first team minutes.

  63. Valentin

    Ernest,

    Who said abject mediocrity?
    The guy had never been given the opportunity to shine before. He was in the Argentinian team before, so the fact YOU had not seen any quality from him does not mean that other more qualified people had not noticed it.

    Martin Keown is on record stating on BT Sports that having sold Ospina Arsene Wenger was going to start the following season with Martinez as No1, because he believed in him.

  64. Bamford10

    Leftfoot

    Your comment re the goalkeepers makes me think we’ve made a mistake in selling Martinez. If Leno has an excellent season, then it’s a moot point, but you make a decent case that we should have either sold Leno instead or sold neither (if possible).

  65. Bojangles

    I’m reading the Torreira to Torino deal just needs details sorted (how many installments etc) so could get an announcement over next few days.

    Also read that the Martinez deal is 17 mil not 20.

  66. HighburyLegend

    “He’s vastly improved or he wouldn’t be starting games for us. ”

    Erm… just like Martinez, but unfortunately he won’t start games for us anymore.

  67. Ernest Reed

    “Martin Keown is on record stating on BT Sports that having sold Ospina Arsene Wenger was going to start the following season with Martinez as No1, because he believed in him.”

    Let me know when you want for this to be taken seriously, Valentin.

  68. Jamie

    “He was in the Argentinian team before, so the fact YOU had not seen any quality from him does not mean that other more qualified people had not noticed it.”

    Emi zero senior international caps.

  69. Valentin

    CC,

    Not agenda, facts. Those may not fit your narrative that Leno is a world class goalkeeper, but nobody is going to argue against the facts that Leno distribution is poor and that on set pieces he is rooted to his line.

    Whenever he tries to catch the ball under those circumstances, it induces panic into both defenders and supporters. Chelsea, Southampton, etc games in which dropped easy catches changed the outcome of the game.

  70. Bamford10

    Ernest

    You’ve just told us Arsenal “have no midfield to speak of” and “a dodgy defence,” but you say that you’re more optimistic than I am? I’m not sure about that. I think we’re actually in a similar place; I’m just more outspoken in a way.

  71. andy1886

    Ernest, the way Arteta is turning us around has more than a whiff of the way George Graham did a similar job back in the mid-eighties. Fixing the defence, dealing with under performing ‘stars’, setting standards and building steadily from a firm base.

    As you know it took George three seasons to make us champions again but the progression was obvious (including a cup win just like MA). I’m hoping for a similar outcome this time – so no pressure Mikel !!

  72. Marc

    I used to work with a guy who would randomly make stuff up to support an argument – the entire office would regularly start a conversation on a subject to see what bullshit he’d come up with.

    Valentin – have you ever worked in recruitment?

  73. Valentin

    Jamie,

    Even if he did not get a cap, the simple fact that he was called up by the Argentinian team seem to indicate that others people had noticed more than abject mediocrity.

    Still awaiting for your apology about the fact that LeBron James was not in the top 5 wage in the NBA.

  74. HighburyLegend

    “Still awaiting for your apology about the fact that LeBron James was not in the top 5 wage in the NBA.”

    lol seriously ?? Someone believe this ??

  75. Uwot?

    Can we now give the Leno vs Martinez debate a knock on the head.Its been to death.move on.hes gone.Next target pleasssssssssse..”…….

  76. Bamford10

    Leftfoot

    “As for getting top 4, even if we get Partey and Aouar,we are far away from top 4. Just not enough goals.”

    You’re even more pessimistic than I am. I was where you are, but I now think Willian is a bigger plus to our attack than I was initially thinking. His service from dead balls and from live play makes him something like a CAM — regardless of where he is deployed — and I think he adds more to our attack than a conventional wide forward. I wouldn’t favor us to finish 4th, but I think we’d have an outside chance of it if we signed a Partey (athletic, high-quality CM) and an Aouar (creative, dynamic CAM-type).

    We will see.

  77. Ernest Reed

    I dont think i have said anything other than the truth about Arsenal’s defence, they are dodgy for certain and it will take a lot of serious work for Arteta to right far too many years of wrong. Can he do it? Certainly he can, given time and patience and decent players. Arteta remains a breath of fresh air in my opinion and i remain unwavering in my support of him.

  78. Bojangles

    “Emi wanted to leave.”

    Yes. Apparently Arteta told him Leno was still number one and not to expect many games in the pl this coming season.

  79. Marc

    I think saying we have a dodgy defence is taking things a little too far. We all know the issues we’ve had but right now Tierney looks a real player, we’ve just had to very promising CB’s join us and whilst it’s too early to make judgement on Gabriel he certainly looked to have attributes that will be an asset. Bellerin is still a bit of an unknown quantity after the injury but the rest of the defence looks fine.

    It has recently performed well when playing a low block against quality teams but this is why we need CM sorted. You put the famous back 4 behind our current midfield and it’d concede more goals.

  80. Jamie

    Val –

    Emi can’t displace Romero or Caballero.

    LeBron James is the highest earner in the NBA. He was the highest earner at the Cavs and is the highest earner at the Lakers, so he didn’t “take one for the team” and allow them to invest in other players like you erroneously suggested. Apologise for getting that one wrong.

    How about that time you told Freddie to “learn French” when you said Auba hadn’t been in negotiations with Arsenal? Yeah, that was funny. Freddie is still waiting for you to apologise.

  81. Valentin

    Marc,

    You have been on the wrong side of so many arguments(Emery, Raul, …), it is funny how you keep coming back to get schooled.

    Did they not teach you at school that Gaslighting is not debating.

    You revert to type. Can’t win an argument with fact, casper doubt about other people character.

    I am assuming that you are still hurt about accusing me of lying about Raul’s days being numbered days before he was sacked. Not days, in fact minutes before it was officially announced you were still defending his credentials.

  82. Ernest Reed

    “I think saying we have a dodgy defence is taking things a little too far.”

    No its not Marc, although they have shown better shape in their presence, the lingering problems still exist. With the infusion of new talent things look very promising (given time) but lets not forget that the core remains a pig with lipstick, perhaps prettier on the surface but they are still ugly to watch and prone to the usual and typical mistakes.

  83. Useroz

    I dare say most if not all at Le Grove knew how shitty the ROI has been. The player sales team , I’d there’s such a team, should all have been fired. Glaring errors of judgment unheard of. One such mishap would have caused Roche’s an organisation, let alone a series of them. The Snake.should forever be condemned. Erect a statute so we’d all throw whatever at it.

  84. TR7

    ‘Emi can’t displace Romero or Caballero.’

    Expecting Emi to soon become Argentina’s no 1. He is definitely better than Romero and Cabellero.

  85. Jamie

    “Expecting Emi to soon become Argentina’s no 1. He is definitely better than Romero and Cabellero.”

    Probably. Right now I think they’re going with the guy at Porto. Emi needs Villa to stay up this season. Can’t see a championship keeper becoming the Argentinian number 1, but he’s a solid keeper for sure.

  86. Freddie Ljungberg

    Val

    Think you need to look up what debunked mean. One article from the daily mail repeated by other outlets isn’t debunking anything.

    Surprised you didn’t throw in a dig at Pepe at the same time so kudos for your restraint though.

    Martinez and his agent has been talking for weeks now about how he wanted guaranteed minutes to stay, if we’re now playing players on merit alone Arteta obviously can’t give guarantees of playing time. If Martinez was confident enough in his ability he would have stayed. He didn’t so move on and dry your tears.

  87. Graham62

    I’m optimistic.

    We may get close to top 4, just depends on how MU and Chelski shape up.

    I felt pessimistic for roughly a decade. I knew we wouldn’t challenge seriously for anything major and also knew that we were regressing under Wenger.

    Emery was a blip on the landscape. Arteta, on the other hand, has already proven that constructive communication and progressive actions work wonders for team morale.

    Irrespective of the fact that we are still a couple of players short, he has made us a far harder team to play against, as well as a team that seems to know what they are doing.

    I like what I see.

    We all should.

  88. Champagne charlie

    “Leno’s passing quality is nowhere close to Martinez.“

    Leno: 2650 minutes, 800 passes (30 pg), 72% completion, 408 forward (51%), 1168 touches (44 pg).

    Martinez: 770 minutes, 245 passes (31 pg), 67% completion, 123 forward (50%), 340 touches (44 pg).

    Have to say, I think this particular feather in Martinez’s cap is being offered generously at best. Would love to see an in depth breakdown of his passing ability because to me it seems his good performances in a short space of time has elevated the view of his abilities across the board.

    Aerial dominance and high claims have been noted in Martinez’s favour, and the data supports that (Leno played almost 4x the minutes Martinez did):

    Leno: 17 punches, 17 high claims, 15 sweeper clearances
    Martinez: 1 punch, 8 high claims, 2 sweeper clearances.

  89. Tee

    “Every British newspaper have the same story. Arteta had a meeting with Martinez where he told him that he was not going to be No1 and that he was thinking of sticking to one goalkeeper for all major cup competitions”.

    Still no source?

    Every British media isn’t a source. Just give us one for us to check and please, dont take us back to Wenger days to prove a point that isn’t there in the first instance.

  90. Valentin

    Jamie,

    I see that you go the same school of debate than Marc.
    Gaslighting and whataboutery are not valid argument.

    Miscontruing what was said for the purpose of winning an argument. I explicitly wrote that LeBron James was not in the top 5 in term of wage in the NBA. You can argue all you want about his external endorsement, but in term of wage he is not in the top 5. I also wrote that at some point in his careers instead of chasing the money, he went for what was the most beneficial to him in term of winning another title.
    Which he did at least twice. Had he stayed at Cleveland, he would have been entitled to receive more than the capped amount he is receiving now.

    I think that the subtility of language between a native speaker and somebody who has learned it in secondary school clearly escaped Freddie. Having somebody who does not have French as a native language explaining to me what Aubameyang said just qualify as arrogance and complete lack of self awareness. Because in that interview Aubameyang clearly started by saying there was no contract, then correcting himself by saying that there was negotiation but that he was still awaiting for Arsenal to get back to him.
    Which is exactly what I was arguing, that no offer had been made to him at that point.

  91. Jamie

    Jesus, Val. Expert bullshit artist.

    “In the US sport, because of the salary cap, you can easily spot who is in it first for the money or who is interested first in title and then money.
    During their dominance, San Antonio Spurs players accepted lower wage (still high but lower than what they could have receive elsewhere) because they knew that allowed other stars to also come in, shine and help win title. The same with LeBron James. He would rather have a competitive team than take all the highest salary in the league.”

    LeBron James took the absolute maximum salary at both the Cavs and the Lakers. He would not “rather have a competitive team than the highest salary in the league. He was paid the maximum amount each team is allowed to pay. His image rights/etc put him as the highest earner in the league. You know nothing.

    Onto what you wrote about Auba:

    “Aubameyang’s interview with Telefoot is now been transcribed and translated for English reader. During the interview he made clear that he had not received any offer from Arsenal.”

    This is what Auba said in his own words:

    “Enfin, récemment je n’ai pas reçu de proposition, bien sûr. Mais bien sûr qu’on a déjà échangé avec le club ça fait pas mal de mois, et ils savent très bien pourquoi jusque-là rien ne s’est passé”

    Translation: We’ve been in negotiations for months.

    You’re so bad at this.

  92. Zubair

    I wonder why don’t we put buyback clause while selling players just like the likes of Real Madrid do?
    Ideally, we should put a buyback clause in Emi Martinez sale so we don’t end up situation like Serge Gnabry.

  93. Bojangles

    It was the daily mail that reported the Martinez story. Believe what you will.

    “However, the Daily Mail has revealed why Martinez took the decision to leave. According to their report, the stopper decided to move on after Mikel Arteta told him he’d be playing Bernd Leno as his number one all season. Furthermore, it is believed Arteta refused to budge on rotation in the cup competitions, meaning Martinez would struggle for any minutes all season.”

  94. S Asoa

    Reg Martinez
    Rookie Managers usually try to exercise control by being inflexible.
    About what Arteta exactly said , might sound speculative, but Arteta got the ” Don Quixote ” in him and Valentin’s take sounds probable.
    Martinez should have continued as a No , but with same jersey No, and salary bump, until he bombs, and use that to bring in Leno.
    Everyone happy and on their toes

  95. Marc

    Valentin

    I am no where near the only one who calls your “character” into question. You constantly get caught lying or deny you previously said something even when the original comment is copy and pasted to prove you said it.

    You still have posted a link to this “debunk” theory – if it been in so many media outlets surely you can find one?

  96. Valentin

    CC,

    The problem with passing is that there is no explicit stats to show that. passes don’t have a level of difficulty nor accuracy. A misplaced pass that the receiver still get will be measure as successful as a delightful chip arriving in the feet of an onrushing player. Unless he keep pumping high ball a goalkeeper will always have a high percentage of success.
    You could argue that bar the high ball, goalkeepers should have near 100% success.

    However Leno is not comfortable playing 30 yards lofted pass. Even with his hands he is slow to release the ball. In all the game he played, he never made a pass that quickly released Aubameyang or Pepe while I can remember a few where Martinez did it.

    Different goalkeepers have different attributes. My preference is a goalkeeper who catches rather than punches. I also believe that a vicalmdominant goalkeeper transmit calm and security to the whole of the defense. I don’t be think Leno does that.

    I also wrote that with both Saliba and Gabriel better with their passing and more dominant in the air, Leno flaws will be better hidden. However I believe that they will pop up against in a crucial game like they did against Chelsea last season. People will say that it is an aberration when the reality is that it isn’t.

  97. Red Army

    Jamie no1 weasel on le grove .

    So are you still actually disputing that Elneny didn’t even play well in the charity shield and the 1st game of the season?

    Me and Mikel disagree and so do most supporters with eyes.

    Elneny has vastly improved from under emery to be a viable option in there squad.

    Take the L weasel you’re embarrassing yourself, again it seems.

  98. Marc

    “I do recall at the beginning of last season Leno saying he wanted to play in all games, cups included.”

    Yeah because we really want players who can’t be bothered to play certain matches.

  99. Valentin

    Marc,

    You know full well which article I was referring to as you and your minion discredited the daily mail.
    Bojangle posted a full extract of the comment.

    As usual, you are trying to win an argument by Gaslighting instead of focusing on the content.

  100. Valentin

    Jamie:

    Enfin, récemment je n’ai pas reçu de proposition, bien sûr.

    Translate exactly as
    Yes, I have not received any offer.

    Too arrogant, stupid and ignorant to even realise you are making my point.

  101. Marc

    Valentin

    You’ve been pulled up because you claimed it was all over the media – it’s not. It’s one source, this is why you get the piss taken out of you.

    I’d also be very careful using a single source (the Daily Mail good grief) when it’s just as likely that the players agent “leaked” to the paper a reason for leaving that paints his client in a good light.

    An agent is hardly likely to say “My client is leaving because he doesn’t fancy the competition”

  102. Jamie

    Red –

    “So are you still actually disputing that Elneny didn’t even play well in the charity shield and the 1st game of the season?”

    Nowhere have I disputed this. The adults are talking. Go back to your video games or whatever. Come back in June when vastly improved Elneny has been a mainstay in central midfield instead of rubbing yourself raw after the first game of the season.

    Or change your name and start again.

  103. Tee

    “I do recall at the beginning of last season Leno saying he wanted to play in all games, cups included”

    What’s this got to do with Valentine’s so called fact or Is this supposed to buttress Valentine’s claim?

    Like a poster earlier posted, give it a rest. Martinez is gone for good. Wish him all the best.

    Yes, we are sad to see him leave but I see him as a player who doesn’t fancy competition. Only an idiotic coach would assure a player of a starting spot in a team.

    I just see his international cap target heavily depending on how villa perform this season.

  104. Emiratesstroller

    The Martinez story has been flogged to death.

    Martinez is a very good goalkeeper and having two experienced on the books would have alleviated any concern about one getting injured or out of form as can always happen.

    Second the transfer fee of £20 million is just about right considering that he is moving to
    Aston Villa. It is more or less on par with the fee paid by Sheffield United for a similar standard goalkeeper. Demanding more than that particularly in this market would only happen if one of the big spenders enter the market.

    The main concern I have is that we are not spending money on what I consider to be a top
    class second string goalkeeper. If we are going to spend money at all on a goalkeeper it should have been no more than £5 million on someone with regular first team experience.
    Alternatively we could have recruited an older goalkeeper on freebie. There are always two
    or three such players available.

  105. Jamie

    Val –

    Auba: “Enfin, récemment je n’ai pas reçu de proposition, bien sûr.”

    “Translate exactly as Yes, I have not received any offer.”

    What does “récemment” mean?

    Translated exactly as “Recently, I have not received an offer.”

    And his next sentence?

    “Mais bien sûr qu’on a déjà échangé avec le club ça fait pas mal de mois, et ils savent très bien pourquoi jusque-là rien ne s’est passé”

    Let everyone punch that into google translate and determine who’s gaslighting who.

    Desperate to be right on the internet. Meet Red Army.

    Not too ignorant to speak your mother tongue with more fluency than you.

  106. Champagne charlie

    Val

    I’m not making any statistical claim about pass quality, I’m aware the difficulty there is in measuring that which is why I said I’d be interested in a deep dive that lends credence to this idea that Martinez is ‘vastly superior’ to Leno with his passing.

    Leno has operated under prolonged chaos, and not once has that been offered up when referencing his distribution or errors – dishonest you might say. Martinez in contrast was performing in a disciplined setup which helped both his overall protection, and his ability to pass the ball.

    I’ve no issue with personal beliefs that Martinez is better at this or that, it’s a game of opinions. But I’ll draw the line at these views getting volleyed out there as indisputable, this is one such case and your line of “ but nobody is going to argue against the facts that Leno distribution is poor and that on set pieces he is rooted to his line.” is but one example of the reality warping opinions that get served.

  107. Useroz

    “I’m reading the Torreira to Torino deal just needs details sorted (how many installments etc) so could get an announcement over next few days.

    Also read that the Martinez deal is 17 mil not 20.“

    Typical Arsenal. Ffs. I’d resign to losing Martinez who I think is more suited to the PL and rationalise why he’s sold eg fund purchase of midfielders. But £17m??

    Seriously are we hiring only dumb people? Martinez is sold to a PL club, not Germany or Italy. Villa has plenty and a billion dollar owner more involved than Kroneke. £20m isn’t good enough. Jesus. £17m…. unless there’s a ‘rising to £25m’ we aren’t privy to. I doubt it for some reason.

    Left –
    We lack abundance of goals I hope because we have a shot midfield. If Pedro knows we are buying new midfielders, hopefully the right kind, goals should flow much better. People attribute Laca’s lack of goals to his dropping deeper to pick up the. ball. Well, I think not but it’s just me. Look at his ‘shot’ or tap in from 2 yards @ Fulham? Of the 24 yards, he hit the bball straight at true foot of the goalie. His shots are getting meek by the day. Ferocity of his shots has mostly gone last couple of years. Laca must be traded up ASAP. (eg Edouard.) as as he has only 2 years left on his contract

  108. englandsbest

    The way things are going I anticipate a smooth progression.throughout the season. In other words, the results in games will be pretty much as expected.And what we expect will depend very much on how Mikel and Edu add creativity to midfield.

    My guess remains a gem unearthed by Edu.

    The sale of the GK may be the start of a fire-sale. I think practically any offer will be taken for Torreira, Gendozy, Mustafi, etc, more for Bellerin, part-salary payment for Ozil.

  109. Red Army

    Jamie you ballless wonder, you ain’t weaselling out of this one. You couldn’t give credit when due after the charity shield and dismissed his performance as similar to before he left loan.

    Just a few posts ago you called them ‘2 decent performances’ hardly a growing endorsement of outstanding performances.

    Your words wanker so yes you have disputed this.

    A mainstay in central midfield? No one is arguing this, this is you weaselling out of an argument when you’re bang to rights and haven’t got a leg to stand on. A vastly improved Elneny is a viable squad option that was the point but you knew that.

    Adults talking? That’s funny. I just see a little bitch getting slapped all over and it’s embarrassing. Trying to tell a french native what a french translation is.

    Pompous arrogant and deluded.

    Guaranteed you’ve got a got a red nose and clown shoes on.

  110. Freddie Ljungberg

    Red Army

    Any chance you’re Elnenys agent? I don’t think this is helping him get a new contract.

    He is what he has always been, a safe player that mostly play back and sideways, a couple of games in friendlies and against weak opposition doesn’t change that. He’d be a decent squad option if kept though.
    Have said it before but I prefer him to Xhaka, more mobile and less mistake prone in a congested midfield. If he can add some more decisive passing to his repertoire he’ll be a good option off the bench.

  111. Jamie

    Calm your tits, Red.

    Neither of his performances were outstanding. He benefited from good team structure and played as well as everyone else. Nothing more.

    If he’s vastly improved like you keep suggesting, he’ll get selected in the first 11 in the EPL loads this season.

    When he doesn’t, you’ll disappear like a snake.

    Don’t hate because you’re a mono-linguistic little Englander. Val is desperate to be right he completely misquoted Auba hoping no one would know any better. When you learn French, you’ll understand. Probably a bit of a stretch for a plumber though.

  112. Mr Serge

    I dont believe Emi was told he would not be getting any game time, i do believe that he is being sold so we can raise funds for a cm and he is refusing a new contract

  113. Red Army

    Check out man of the world and multi lingual Jamie.

    You’d be called pompous and arrogant in every language you smarmy twat, that’s probably why you’ll have no friends.

    Not like plumbers Jamie? A trade a bit beneath you?

  114. Red Army

    Mikel called his performance phenomenal but with all your experience in the game you disagree.

    Just say you disagree with Mikel and says he’s taking shit. Simple.