£100m summer?

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Listen, I’ve had my say on Arsenal this week. The bad news must surely all be out, so I’ll move on and land more positive vibes.

We’ve ditched our scouting department. From what I understand from multiple places, this is a really smart move and we shouldn’t fear it. Our hit rate has been miserable for years and we’ve wasted a lot of money.

If Edu says he wants to move to a Michael-Edwards-Liverpool-style of data intelligence, then let’s see if he does it. Nothing he’s done at Arsenal so far suggests that’s what he’s about, so the onus is on him to make the right promotions, bring in the best talent, and move beyond CHECK DIS GUY e-mails from Kia for his transfer inspiration.

With regards to the layoffs, it sounds like they went right at the areas of business that are, well, pretty redundant for the foreseeable. Sales, admin, and premium partnerships. I’d have had them on commission for selling our best players for ‘very good price’ to the highest bidder this summer, but it is what it is, Arsenal wants to be a cost-conscious business in a pandemic, so there we are.

What all the bad news won’t change is that the manager we have at the club is the real deal. The players finally have someone in charge that commands respect, the training ground is buzzing again, and there is a very clear and ambitious vision Arteta is trying to unlock.

So what next?

Well, summer is about to start. Let’s walk through the smoke and see if we can identify where the fires🔥 are at.

Auuuuuuba

Our BEST player is apparently nearing a 3 year £250k a week deal to stay at Arsenal. He’s happy, the elders are happy, the deal is close. This would be huge news and a testament to the coach that he’s managed to convince a man in his absolute prime that 8th place Arsenal is the destination for him. Auba has been committed, he’s developed his game, and his leadership has been all about setting an example for others. What a deal that’d be.

One of his stipulations is that he wants to see that Pam in accounts safe in her job… along with some big money spent on this squad. Some papers are saying the club is looking to drop £100m… if we can shift on talent.

QUESTION: How long does the club wait on the deal? What happens if he says no?

Ainsley

One of the players who has been put up for sale is Ainsley. The versatile midfielder turned right-back has been told if the big money comes in for him this summer, he’ll be moved on. The caveat is that Mikel doesn’t want to see him go. Bit of a weird caveat. One thing is for sure, we’re stocked down the right and no one is buying Soares out of his freshly minted 4-year deal. A £30m fee is being mooted, which seems quite high given the moment. I don’t fully understand the thinking here, I think the player has been excellent when called upon, he seems to pick up Arteta’s instructions quicker than most, and he’s executed plans to the T at the highest level. Maybe we’ve pumped his value? Maybe the player wants to be the name ALWAYS on the teamsheet? Seems an odd one, but if that’s what the management brain trust wants, then there we are.

Torreira

I read a tweet where someone said ‘I feel like Torreira has been talking about leaving since joining’, and I agree.

“Today I need to think about my future very well. I have a contract with the club and I have to respect it, obviously if I have to leave it will be for the best. We have to be calm and wait”

Look, this is what happens when you bring in the right profile of player and pay them market rate. LT had some promise… it didn’t work out, so we’ll sell him back to the country he came from at a similar price point. Torreira looked like he made sense, aggressive, good on the ball, with sharp technical skills. The problem has been that he just isn’t at the right level physically for the Premier League. If we can get a deal from Milan (YO IVAN) or Torino (his old coach now there), then everyone would be happy.

Hector

There are also a lot of rumours doing the rounds that the socially conscious right-back wants to lay down roots (geddit) in another league. He’s been with us for 9 or so years, I’m not sure he ever recovered physically or mentally from that injury so it might be time to try another catwalk. He is a good player, he’s young, and he’d fetch a pretty decent fee.

… I’d have to find another muse, but it’s fine, I’ll be ok.

CENTRAL DEFENDERS

Look, it’s obvious we need to shift on some of the centre backs, especially if we’re bringing in Gabriel. Sokratis is on a big salary, so he might have to be offered a way out of his deal in the same way Mikhi was. No one is going to him with £90k a week and a fee. Rob Holding would be perfect for a sale. He’s currently on his holidays with Jenks. I think he’d do well in the Premier League, he’d fit perfectly in a setup that didn’t require too much passing under pressure, like, maybe Burnley? We also have to exit Kola. He’s on a big contract because we bosman-d him a few years back, but he just hasn’t hit the mark, he’s not up to the mental rigours of the game, and his defending is really, really poor. There could at least be a fee there.

THE YOUNG GUNS

I think we’ll see some movement with the young players for sure this summer. I have no doubt that Matteo will find a new home, absolute LOLz from the back of the room that BIG UNAI is sniffing around for a loan deal, not sure that’s what the Frenchman had in mind. We really need to max out the fee for Matteo or get a major swap involved. Lyon beat Juve last night, they are back to the big time, we know they are interested, so maybe something can be done there with Aouar? We know that Balogun will be moved on for a fee of £8m, I’m having GnabryMalenJeffBennacerHOTsweats over that potential exit. Talking of Bennacer, he’s on his holidays with Reiss Nelson. Another player I expect to fetch a good fee this summer.

ALEX LACAZETTE

‘There ain’t room in this town for the two of us’ is what Auba apparently said when Edu told him the money for his new deal was coming from selling Lacazette. It’s apparent the French striker maybe doesn’t quite fit what we need in our forward line next season. He’s apparently drawn to Juventus. He’s a top goal scorer, he has a great attitude, and he’s a big name. We’ll either need to max out the fee there or make the swap count hard. We’ll also need to find a replacement, we can’t be heading into the next season relying on just Auba and Eddie.

SWOPPORTUNITIES

This summer is likely to be nuts. Stretched clubs trying to save money and face. Rich clubs trying to pick off the weaklings. There will be opportunities that pop up that could surprise. Mesut Ozil, our contractually obliged rock, might not fancy spending a year in Turkey doing nothing, hardly good for the profile. Someone might make a sexy offer for one of the players we thought unmovable (Granit/Mustafi/Leno). There are many things that could unexpectedly happen and I think we have to be open to them.

THE GOAL

We have to come out of the summer with a squad that is shaped to the vision of the manager. We need technically proficient players. That doesn’t simply mean being good on the ball, it means having the intelligence to absorb and execute complex ideas. We need to have a set of players up the physical challenges of the league. The right size, explosive pace, the ability to go 3 games a week without injury or loss of form. The major difference between ok players and the elite is the lack of mistakes. Pep always says that Garcia, who wants Barca, doesn’t make mistakes. Our Didier-Drogba-like-nightmare last year wasn’t a player, it was ‘UNFORCED ERROR.’ We need to change that up. We also need to bring in players that have the right mentality so when things inevitably go off the rails, we don’t have lower back pain issues for big away days.

We also need to start buying with long-term value in mind. Willian should be the exception, not the rule. If we’re a cost-conscious club, then we need to focus on players that have value if they don’t work out. We should look for opportunities in the market, like Gabriel and Saliba. That applies to the other end of the scale as well because we bought Pepe at 24 years old, but we spent so much on him, it’s very, very unlikely we’ll ever recoup that.

One last thing on the vision of Edu now focusing on data and analytics. We had a bit of a debate about it in the comments yesterday, some saying that it was logical that the Brazilian focused on restructuring the youth setup in his first year, over the scouting. I can’t for the life of me unpack those mental gymnastics. Firstly, you can do more than one thing at a time. Secondly, the youth setup, for all its failings, has produced Saka, Eddie, Willock, ESR, Balogun, Tyreece, and Smith.

The burning hot mess at Arsenal was surely our transfer approach? Why would you wait until year two to implement data and analytics? Because at best, if you are starting from scratch, it’s going to be at least another year before you see the fruits of a new centralised approach? Unless there is some tech partnership I’m unaware of? I mean, look, there is obviously a lot that I am unaware of, I’m just asking why you’d wait an entire year to decide all those people you’ve been working with are shite and that the approach was backwards. Surely the red flag was having to sign David Luiz to replace Laurent Koscielny when the club had a 3-month headstart? It seems like the corporate version of starting a job at Blockbuster Video and focusing your first year on a logo redesign versus addressing the Netflix issue.

Regardless, it’s done. Let’s see who Edu brings in or promotes and what sort remit they are given. I am more than game to see us try and behave like Liverpool and I’m glad that people at Arsenal think this move is a good one IF Edu is capable of hiring the right people.

Right, on that note, fuck off, see you in the virtual bar. xx

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  1. Dissenter

    Pierre
    I don’t disagree with you. You’re perfectly entitled to take a different position about Ozil.
    It’s just that any self-respecting individual would be trying t move on from this position. Ozil is a strange character. I’ll hold my tongue (or fingers as it may be)

  2. Overmars

    Arsenal have apparently had a 2nd bid rejected for Joelson Fernandes, 28 million.

    Do we know much about him?

    Seems strange to bring in 2 wingers. 2 of our forward players must be on the way out. Lacazette and Nelson would be my bet.

  3. Freddie Ljungberg

    Overmars

    Or just 1 and Willian is brought in as a Cam.

    We must really rate Joelson if we’re going this hard for him so maybe that changes the plans somewhat? Grabbing an opportunity while we can even if it’s not in a position we have a desperate need. Seems very high though for someone with 3 senior games under his belt so we’ll see what happens. Maybe it’s a Saliba style deal and we loan him out right away, who knows at this stage, so many rumours flying around.
    Difference is now you think they can actually happen.

  4. MidwestGun

    It’s making you stupid.
    _____
    Maybe so Cutter but as I said earlier.. as long as your the arbiter of what is stupid or not.. I don’t think anyone can live up to your expectations. But while we are on the subject of stupid do you not think it’s stupid to have an avatar of a dude smoking a cigarette from one suffering from cancer? Or is it an ironic thing? If so, well it’s still stupid.

  5. Pierre

    Dissenter
    “It’s just that any self-respecting individual would be trying t move on from this position. ”

    Not necessarily, if you look at the time line, the season started again 6/7 weeks ago, which is no time at all.

    There was nothing to intimate prior to lockdown that there was a problem, being selected for every league game is evidence of that.

    As far as I’m concerned, the criticism he is receiving is unwarranted and pretty pathetic if the truth was known.

    There is no substance to any of any of the accusations thrown at him.

    I would say that any self respecting individual after a mere 6/7 weeks would do what Ozil is doing, which is going into training , not complaining and hope that the situation changes.

    If Arteta or the club actually have the balls to say that Ozil is finished at the Arsenal then of course, I would expect him to leave.

  6. Dissenter

    Pierre
    I think Arsenal have give Ozil all there implicit hints that’s needed to tell him he’s not welcome. The handwriting on there wall is very clear, doesn’t he feel slighted?
    He could easily negotiate his way out of the club in a manner that’s favorable to him and leave with some respect.
    The criticism is for being the club’s highest earner and not regularly showing up.
    Anyway cheers. Have a good night.

  7. Overmars

    Pierre

    I reckon if Ozil didn’t cost 40m or 350k a week in wages, he would never have got the criticism he has received over the years… from everyone.

    Like you say, the only place where it should matter is on the football pitch, and I love watching him play. It’s a shame, hopefully he’ll be in Arteta’s plans next season.

  8. Tom

    It would be better for all concerned if the club tell us the truth and then it might put an end to the speculation

    ————-
    Pierre, I don’t think many care what the reason was at this point the way you do.

    Ozil was a great signing but terribly mismanaged and put on outrages wages he could never live up to.
    It would be like giving Auba now a 250% raise to put him on £500 per week , and one could probably justify that easier than what Ozil was able to extract from Arsenal.

  9. Marko

    Posts up pathetic numbers and pulls Sickies when he doesn’t feel like playing but apparently the only reason he gets any criticism is the wages he takes home. That’s bad enough but then you say this “the only place where it should matter is on the football pitch, and I love watching him play.” then you realize that you’re dealing with a madman.

  10. Overmars

    Marko

    If you fail to appreciate what Mesut Ozil brings to the team on the pitch, then I would say you my friend, are a mad man.

  11. China1

    If ozils salary was 25k a week right now I wouldn’t be impressed based on his actual performances over the last couple of years

    How many games did he play close to his best in the last 2 years? You could literally count on one hand

    A lot of people want willock sold because he’s inconsistent, can be quiet when he doesn’t have a good game and it’s not entirely clear if he will step up to the next level. And yet willock has played better and contributed more to arsenal in a like for like comparison of performances

    That’s not me bugging up willock, that’s me underscoring that youth players we think have not proved themselves, even on low wages are doing better these days

  12. China1

    Forget the awful wages and forget the awful stats ozil has been rocking, in terms of general performance and contribution he’d probably be below 15th on the list in the team

    Basically all of the current first 11 and most of the bench have done more or better than him in their own ways

    He’s one of the most gifted and intelligent players of his generation and since he got that contract he’s been absolutely dismal

  13. China1

    Even the most maligned players in our squad, mustafi, xhaka, Luiz, to a lesser extent as well AMN and Laca, all have done much better than ozil in the last 14 months

  14. Overmars

    China1

    “And yet willock has played better and contributed more to arsenal in a like for like comparison of performances”

    Let’s see if the stats back this up. I’m just basing this on stats for Premier League this season, you can look on the Premier League website yourself:

    Ozil Appearances: 18
    Willock Appearances: 29

    Ozil Goals: 1
    Willock Goals: 1

    Ozil Assists: 2
    Willock Assists: 1

    Ozil Passes: 836
    Willock Passes: 343

    Ozil Passes Forward: 176
    Willock Passes Forward: 92

    Ozil Touches: 1,064
    Willock Touches: 556

    Ozil Crosses: 72
    Willock Crosses: 9

    Look at the stats in the Premier League, it proves Ozil has contributed more than Willock. That’s not to say that I don’t like Willock as I think he’s got enormous potential and is of course a lot younger than Ozil.

    My point is that you can’t just go pulling random statements out of thin air to make yourself look better China1.

  15. MidwestGun

    Damn… Cutter is raging on my one offhand comment about the American Political system, which was so uncontroversial as to be laughable. Calling me retarded and stupid and you still got people defending Ozil as a player. .
    Reminds me of those Japanese soldiers they used to find on sparsely populated Islands years after the war who still thought the war was going on.. Ozil has been finished for at least 3 years at the top level. He hasn’t brought anything to Arsenal we couldn’t have gotten for about a third of his salary. That’s the sad reality of a player who used to be considered the world’s best assist man.

  16. Nelson

    The board wants to push Ozil out since the Emery days. The latest move is another trick to pressure Ozil to quit. Up to now, from all Arteta’s interviews with reporters, he never closed the door for Ozil to come back. The board is trying a last kick in the can during this TW. I wouldn’t be surprised that Ozil would ignore the board. Once this TW is over, the board would finally give up and allow Arteta to do what he likes.

  17. Dissenter

    Nelson
    Arteta too doesn’t have any plans for Ozil. Arteta loves players that can do the graft and Ozil just doesn’t cut it.

  18. China1

    Nice try Pierre, though I see how you carefully avoided context to skew the message

    Willock had 29 appearances but only 8 starts. Most of his minutes came deep into the second half and he had only 843 minutes to ozil’s 1499. Ozil was starting games, and regularly, especially under Arteta. Willock was just an impact sub used late in most games. As well you might want to check the defensive stats too if you’re going to be willfully ignorant of what your eyes tell you and only selectively look at a few stats. Willock trashes him in defensive stats. 30 tackles to ozils 17. 10 clearances to ozils 1. 6 interceptions to ozils 5. 75 fuels won to ozils 65. Successful 50/50s 25 to ozils 16. Aerial battles won 9-1.

    Now go back and look at the minutes played and the context the willock was usually just an impact sub, and you see what our eyes can already tell us. That willock contributed far more to the cause and in far fewer minutes. And willock is criticized by many as maybe not good enough (rightly or wrongly). Now compare bang for your buck with salaries.

    Oh and Pierre why is it that you might not want to compare stats in other competitions where willock was playing more by any chance? How convenient that you’d stick to the competition where it was ozil who was on the pitch every week. Concerned that willock scoring several goals in other competitions is going to look embarrassing for Mesut?

    Check fucking mate, Pierre. Ozil is worse than willock. Time to move on

  19. Overmars

    China1

    1. Sorry to rattle you.

    2. Willock’s goals have come against Frankfurt, Forrest, Standard Leige and Liverpool Reserves. Fantastic for a young lad trying to break through. If Mesut Ozil had been given the minutes in the League Cup, Europa and FA Cup, admittedly against lesser teams than in the league, his stats may or may not have improved.

    and 3. Your desperate attempts to compare ‘tackles won’, ‘clearances’ and ‘duels won’ still doesn’t prove your point that like for like this season, Willock is the better attacking midfielder.

    And actually, if Willock has been the better player this season, then why has Ozil played more minutes in the Premier League? That says to me that Emery, Ljungberg and Arteta have all preferred Mesut Ozil on the football pitch over Willock.

    Anyway, go back to sleep China, it’s been a long night for you 🙂

  20. Emiratesstroller

    No-one should dispute that Ozil in his prime was an outstanding player and at
    31 he should be still good enough to play at top level including in National Team.

    However, the reality is that Ozil has been in serial decline as a footballer now for 3-4 years. Frankly he has lost his hunger for the game and acts like a “playboy”.

    Whenever he has had problems with the coach at Arsenal whether it was latterly Wenger, Emery, Ljungberg or now Arteta we are advised that he has got a “back injury”!!

    The biggest mistake that the club made was agreeing to pay Ozil £350K pw. That was far worse than allowing his contract to run down to 6 months

    I advocated for several months that Arsenal should buy out the contract of Ozil and it would seem that is probably what will happen. The idea that Ozil
    could remain on the books for another 10 months is bad for morale and discipline in the club not to mention the cost.

    If he refuses to leave or accept the deal then he should be cut off from all contact at the club and “de-registered” as a first team player.

  21. China1

    Overmars willock has been used all throughout the CM positions, because he’s not a traditional 10 like ozil. Hes competing for places with literally our entire midfield: xhaka, ozil, Dani, Torreira etc. xhaka is a mainstay, Dani is better and became one. Saka is more talented too.

    2. You can only score against who is in front of you. Their goal scoring stats in the league aren’t that different but willock scored plenty in other competitions when he was on the pitch. How does that not reflect favorably overall as part of his contribution?

    3. How on earth is including defensive stats desperate? I said willocks contributed more to our cause this season. He has. Unlike ozil, he contributed both offensively and defensively partly because that’s his playing style and partly because he isn’t a traditional 10 and is more of a b2b akin to someone like Ramsey.

    As for why ozil got more minutes than willock. It’s a very simple question to answer. Ozil is a generational talent and is smarter, has greater vision, technique and passing ability than the rest of the squad combined. He is one of the most experienced players, has the biggest reputation (along with auba and Luiz) and likely has sway in the dressing room as a huge name of world football who has even world a World Cup. When you have your back against the wall as a manager (emery) or you’re a caretaker (Freddie) or it’s your first job (Mikel) wouldn’t you be dreaming of bringing him in and getting him to play his best? Who wouldn’t? It would take massive guys to come in on day one and cunt off ozil in light of the above. And yet here we are, (not for the first time) with ozil getting cunted off because he didn’t do enough on the pitch to justify making the squad

    Willock might not an automatic starter but I don’t see any recent arsenal manager counting him off lol. Why would they?

  22. Emiratesstroller

    Willock has probably one more season to prove himself at the club, but I suspect that he will be offloaded next summer unless there is a significant improvement in his game.That will also apply to Nelson and Nketiah as well.

    I think that the club is becoming more ruthless than was the case under Wenger. Players who are promoted from Academy will be given time to prove their potential but once they hit age of 21+ will be offloaded if they are not playing regularly in first team.

  23. China1

    I agree ET. Assuming no I usually high bids come for him now, I expect he gets one more year

    If he doesn’t kick on but continues to sporadically show signs that he could do I hope we insert a buy back clause when selling him. Same for Nelson

    Most of those kids will go on to achieve very little (sad to say but true) but when you have those players who have a little bit about them, you have to be open that they might not kick on until their mid 20s. It’s nice to have a first refusal if on the outside chance it happens

  24. Emiratesstroller

    China 1

    What you need to look at now is the contract expiry date of the players.

    If contracts are not renewed with 2 years unexpired then the probability is that the player will be shifted out of club.

    Nketiah’s contract expires in 2022 and both Nelson and Willock in 2023. So
    date has passed for Nketiah and will apply to other two next summer.

  25. Northbanker

    If we buy Joelson then Nelson’s time must surely be up now?

    Really bemused by rumours still linking us to Zaha when we have Pepe, Willian (almost). Saka and Nelson (or preferably Joelson) already occupying the flank positions.

  26. Sid

    Willock at best will be a squad player, compare his technique to Ramsey or Wilshere at the same age and its clear he is below standards, he is just a runner.
    He is like Henri Lansbury

  27. Habesha Gooner

    Paying off Ozil even at half the wages would be great. 9 mil off the wage bill is still a lot. Pepe is on 140k. Ozil’s half wages are 175k. That would pay for Willian and probably Gabriel’s wages for a year. But I doubt he will take 9 mil.

    If he isn’t taking a payoff and we aren’t saving money, I would tell him to train alone for the whole season. Strip him of Dennis Bergkamp’s shirt. Give it to someone else. He would like to move by January. And I think he will leave for free instead of training alone for the rest of 6 months.

  28. China1

    Sid I’m not expecting willock to make it as there are countless kids with promise and only a small percentage make the final cut at the top end of European football, but let’s see at the end of next season

    He’s got some useful attributes but what he doesn’t yet have is consistency. If he could improve 10% + be consistent he’d be a really quality player. If he can’t do that he’ll not make it at this level

    Let’s hope and see

  29. Pierre

    China
    “Oh and Pierre why is it that you might not want to compare stats in other competitions where willock was playing more by any chance? How convenient that you’d stick to the competition where it was ozil who was on the pitch every week. Concerned that willock scoring several goals in other competitions is going to look embarrassing for Mesut
    Check fucking mate, Pierre. Ozil is worse than willock. Time to move on”

    You’ve lost me completely….willock ?

  30. Kesses gunner

    The board were so desperate to hand ozil to hand ozil a lamp sum yet knowing very well he was inconsistent now that ozil has reverted to his comfort zone now with deal they have again to negotiate a layoff with ozil laughing to the bank.what a mess

  31. China1

    high Level reply Pierre

    You bring up a few stats to skew a picture in favour of ozil’s contribution over willocks and when it gets shown up as bunk you pretend to be confused why anyone is discussing willock

    Must have forgotten to take your meds mate

  32. Emiratesstroller

    Un na naii

    I think that you will find that our Academy will follow similar route to Chelsea.

    Players not considered good enough to play regularly in first team will be loaned out and/or sold.

    Iwobi was sold last year and the probability is that Maitland-Niles will follow this summer. Nketiah will be 22 next summer and Nelson and Willock 21.

    There are already one or two players in the Academy who are rated as good as these players who are on the fringe of First Team Squad.

    I don’t know if you noticed that Smith from U23 squad sat on the Bench for FA Cup Final. So I do think that there is a pattern emerging where the core of
    First Team Squad are playing regularly and there are then 2-3 younger fringe
    players who come off bench.

  33. Batistuta

    Un na

    How long do you think academy players should be given to prove themselves before we cash in on them like every other club does?

  34. Emiratesstroller

    Un na naii

    Let’s consider future role of Nketiah. Do you honestly believe that he has a future at Arsenal? He is aged 20. His goal scoring stats are 3 in EPL and 3 in other games.

    Man Utd are already raving about Greenwood who is younger and a significantly more prolific goalscorer.

    There is no question that he is better than Nketiah, but I am not sure that he
    is better than Martinelli. Martinelli who has just turned 19 has scored 10 goals
    at the rate of one goal every 140 minutes.

    He is far more versatile and clinical than Nketiah and in my view a much better bet to replace Lacazette when he recovers from injury.

  35. Pierre

    China
    “You bring up a few stats to skew a picture in favour of ozil’s contribution over willocks and when it gets shown up as bunk you pretend to be confused why anyone is discussing willock
    Must have forgotten to take your meds mate”

    Di I?……willock ? …. meds ?

  36. Freddie Ljungberg

    China

    It was Overmars that posted the comparison with Willock. Turns out there’s 2 delusional Ozil fanboys just waking up from a coma on the same blog, crazy right?

  37. Pierre

    Greenwood, Sancho and sterling as a front line would be quality for England.

    The sooner kane is out of the equation, the better.

  38. Chris

    It’s great to have young players coming through from the academy, but they need to be making a big enough impact within a certain time scale. They can’t just stay forever hoping they will come good.

    The majority of academy players will likely go on to have a good career for themselves in the lower leagues, the key is finding the one or two who could be elite, and profiting financially from those who ultimately aren’t good enough. They are then replaced by the next batch of academy players, and see how they do.

    I think Willock and Nketiah are decent players and I do like them but I do have doubts as to whether they could be elite players for us. The time would come perhaps at the end of this upcoming season, to cash in if they haven’t quite made the standard needed, and promote from the academy again.

  39. Pierre

    Fred
    ” Turns out there’s 2 delusional Ozil fanboys just waking up from a coma on the same blog, crazy right?”

    I presume that this is the “debating skills” that Marko was referring to last night…

  40. Freddie Ljungberg

    Pierre

    Not so much debating as a public service announcement.

    There’s no debating with people as far gone into dementia as you or someone like CG.

  41. Emiratesstroller

    Pierre/Un na Naii

    You are entirely wrong. Greenwood is not a class above Martinelli.

    Here are interesting stats when Martinelli started games and played full 90
    minutes.

    Europa League 3 x 90 mins 3 goals + 3 assists
    Premier League 6 x 90 mins 3 goals
    FA Cup 2 x 90 mins 1 assist
    EFL Cup 2 x 90 mins 4 goals

    So in 13 games where he played a full 90 minutes he scored 10 goals and 4 assists.

    I would remind you that Liverpool Manager raved about him and many others
    have held similar view. People have started talking about Greenwood since
    resumption because he was in excellent form when Man Utd have been playing well.

    Martinelli was playing in a team earlier in season which was dreadful.

  42. Terraloon

    DannyS

    It’s very very unlikely that KSE have paid off the stadium debt. We were always led to believe the penalties for doing so we’re far too costly to do that.
    My guess is that they have agreed to stand guarantor or provided on deposit the funds required under the debt reserve. As you say there’s your £30 million budget.

    ES

    Your on a roll as far as I am concerned

    Agree fully with your take on how the academy will evolve but that won’t happen overnight .
    Ironically it’s part of the logic for being able to bring on 5 subs because you expose academy players far earlier and then having had a taster of what is on offer the go on loan with a carrot dangling whereas if they hang around at the club they are lead into almost a sense of they’ve made it .

  43. CG

    OZiIL/BALE.

    x 2 silly, amateurish,’ lost the plot’ soccer clubs ( Arsenal and Real Madrid) who have ridiculously overpaid on a player.

    And both clubs are being totally dishonest about it,( to their own supporters)
    Pay up or Shut up!

    ‘If you cant pay anyone’s contract up in full within 24 hours- don’t offer that contract’ is my motto.

    the sooner ALL these clubs go bankrupt , the better it will be for everyone.

    ps… is that useless , mumbling , stumbling Sarri walking away with £20 plus million from Juventus??

    I hope they go bankrupt too,

    Give all this money to the wonderful people of The Lebanon instead.

  44. Terraloon

    ES

    Then you try and compare Greenwood who will be a standout talent of his generation with Martinelli who will be a very good player but sorry Greenwood will be on the next level

  45. Emiratesstroller

    Terraloon

    Take a look at how much game time Greenwood has played this season and
    compare it with Martinelli.

    Then compare the stats.

    Martinelli is easily forgotten because he has not played recently but just before lock down he played 3 x 90 minute games and scored 2 goals in EPL.

    He is similar size and build to Greenwood and like Aubameyang has been
    playing mainly Left Wing. He is a physically strong and aggressive player
    with excellent touch and vision AND a clinical finisher.

  46. Pierre

    Stroller

    I would prefer to be wrong about Greenwood but in my opinion, he is also better than Rashford and Martial.

    Greenwood, along with Fernandes have turned United’s season around.

    Greenwood has the lot , speed, composure, awareness, an eye for a goal , 2 footed, short backlift, shooting power ..I cant see any weaknesses, shame he doesn’t play for Arsenal.

  47. Habesha Gooner

    Man people have short memories. Martinelli hasn’t played in a while and people are saying Greenwood is better. Is it because he is English? Or Martinelli hasn’t played in a while?
    There is one reason Martinelli is going to a sure thing to succeed. Despite the Obvious talent he has, He works like a dog more than any teenager around. Right now I would rate them around the same level but I promise you Martinelli will be a superstar.

  48. CG

    Pierre

    “””””I cant see any weaknesses, shame he doesn’t play for Arsenal.”””””

    If he did. ES would want him sold!

    Harry Kane took x 7 loan clubs before finally finding his feet.

    Imagine the like of ES and Le Grove mob if he were an AFC player.

    “”””Sell him , he wont make it!”””” they would cry.

    Now , there is talk of a huge bid from the cheats of Manchester coming in.

  49. Pierre

    “I promise you Martinelli will be a superstar.”

    Let’s hope so, his main attributes are his desire and ability in the opposition penalty box.

    He sure has an eye for goal and appears to have more composure on the ball in front of goal than in other areas of the pitch.

    To me , he should play up top, his desire to press the ball and his desire to find space in the box is very good , plus he is a very good finisher.

  50. CG

    Pierre

    “”””To me , he should play up top, his desire to press the ball”””””

    But has the desire, got him this ligament injury in training. ?

    It aint clever running around like a headless chicken in training and damaging those ligaments. Not clever at all.

    You need composure.
    Just like our Eddie has in front of goal.
    thats why he scores them- and his ligaments are intact too.

  51. Emiratesstroller

    Pierre

    I did not suggest one is better than the other. However, I rate Martinelli who is
    a different type of player as an outstanding prospect as Klopp suggested earlier in season.

    CG

    There is a vast difference in quality when you compare Martinelli and Saka
    with Nketiah, Willock, Maitland-Niles and Nelson.

    The last 4 are good footballers, but at a lower level.

    For the record I think that Smith-Rowe is more likely to establish himself next
    season ahead of those 4. He is a more gifted player.

  52. CG

    ES

    “””””There is a vast difference in quality when you compare Martinelli and Saka
    with Nketiah, Willock, Maitland-Niles and Nelson.”””””

    maybe at the moment,
    but players develop at different stages, ( eg Martinez 27)

    Who is to say Martinelli comes back the same player after his injury?
    Look at Bellerin.

    Or that Saka- now he has become a multi millionaire- looses his hunger for the game. Look at Ozil.

    Too many variables when judging young players,
    Shame, we have not AW around at the club. He knows how to manage these youngsters expertly.

  53. Pierre

    Stroller
    I liken Martinelli’s start at Arsenal to Nelson’s start at Hoffenheim, where he scored 6 goals in 4 starts.
    But no one is talking about Nelson as the next superstar.

    The fact is , Martinelli had a good start last season, but his performances and goals tailed off as the season progressed.

    It is impossible to predict who out of our kids will play at the very top level.

    Personally, I think they will have more of an impact if they all played together as they all know each others games and are comfortable playing together…of course that won’t happen in the league fixtures, which is a pity as it would be good to see how they got on.

    Ljundberg played the kids away to Everton, who were flying at the time, and they didn’t let themselves down.

    Other than Saka , I don’t see any of our younger players building onfield relationships with the more senior players, and now even Saka is having to take a back seat.

    As I said previously , the league cup and Europa could be taken by a storm by Martinelli, Saka, Willock , Smith rowe , Nelson, Nketiah and a few more academy players that look to have potential.

  54. CG

    Pierre

    “””””It is impossible to predict who out of our kids will play at the very top level.””””

    100000000000% correct.

    Thats why buying ageing Brazilians mercenaries is such a scandalously short sighted thing to do.

    I am the best judge of a player around and even I thought Harry Kane was useless and Genduzi was good.

    No one knows. Even me .

  55. Emiratesstroller

    Pierre

    Take a look at the stats I have posted. Martinelli has an outstanding record of
    goal scoring and assists in the games he has started and played 90 minutes.

    For an 18 year old that was an outstanding record particularly when you consider that our team has not been playing well earlier this season.

    He is a similar type of player to Aubameyang. He can play in any position along the front line and even perhaps in the attacking midfield/second striker
    position.

  56. Marc

    Emirates

    Everyone has their opinions, players we like and players we don’t etc but to actually use that sentence isn’t even hubris it’s pure delusion.

  57. Freddie Ljungberg

    Pierre doing his level best to downplay our biggest talent in the team just like he has from day 1. Martinelli is not 1 level above Nketiah but several.
    Heads down merchant my ass.

    CG is just and example of late stage dementia and delusions of grandeur in a heady mix. Studies should be made but it might be contagious and you don’t want that shit to spread, it’s a nasty sprain he has.

  58. SpanishDave

    Freddie , CG getting like an old record which is stuck on the turntable.
    We are where we are and we have good youth potential but we have to mix in experience so they can learn their trade better.
    Did Eenger get a job with another club? Wonder why not?

  59. Daniel Altos

    Freddie LjungbergAugust 7, 2020 17:28:35
    So many inaccuracies in this post it’s hard to know where to start, guess the repetition is working on some people though.We didn’t pay 5m for SoaresWe didn’t pay 24m for LuizThe reported deal for Willian is 100k not 130kThe pay cut was 12.5% but is now 7.5% after qualifying for Europe so your maths off on that one too.The youth scouting department went through a similar restructuring 9 months ago and is now regarded as one of the best in the country if not the best. Creativity, flexibility and nimbleness was used to describe it.Even Sven the man hailed as a demi god on here by some without anything to back it up, described our scouting set up as a bloated mess and wanted a clear out. Well, it’s coming now. No wonder it looked like that either when Wenger ran the club on sentiment alone. Look at all the crap coaches that was at the club for 20 years, like our horrible goal keeping coaches,is there any doubt there wasn’t people like that in the scouting department, just in a job because Wenger liked them?How is it short sighted to restructure a department of the club that isn’t functioning as it should? Leaving it alone would be way worse, does Edu have to give the names of all future hires to the blogosphere for vetting ahead of time now?The whole super agent short term bullshit is just boring at this stage when the facts are we signed 1 player over 30 last summer and everyone else was under 24 years old. All of them had different agents too btw.Yes we have brought in some older players since but Cedric was dirt cheap at 1! Million and Willian seems like a good deal too at 100k a week.

    This from a few days ago from Freddie,well done sir bang on the money.It seems on Legrove any rumours on agents/fees/any bad news is taken as truth but when the same rumours are on how our academy is being revamped it should ‘be taken with a pinch of salt’… unfortunately Pedro has run this agent fees narrative until some poor souls have taken it as the gospel,despite it being proven to be a shit narrative a hundred times….it’s actually incredible I swear!Also isn’t it a coincidence that all these changes started ringing when the lawyer came in,am not hearing a single word of criticism for the guy or is it because he isn’t Spanish?

  60. CG

    Graham

    “””””””Oh that’s right, I forgot,….. basically everything!”””””””

    Except league table position?

    (or does that not count any more?)

  61. Marc

    Freddie

    Unfortunately we’re seeing Pierre’s next “favourite” in Nketiah – I had this with him before Martinelli’s injury but it does’t matter what stat’s are available, what other players do, what his “favourite” doesn’t do he won’t shift. Assuming Laca is sold this summer and we don’t buy a replacement Nketiah will be kept on as backup until being sold summer 2021.

  62. Pierre

    Fred
    “Pierre doing his level best to downplay our biggest talent in the team just like he has from day 1.”

    This is me downplaying Martinelli, according to Fred

    “He sure has an eye for goal and appears to have more composure on the ball in front of goal than in other areas of the pitch.

    To me , he should play up top, his desire to press the ball and his desire to find space in the box is very good , plus he is a very good finisher.”

  63. Marc

    Daniel

    The “lawyer guy” was being lauded as the Kroenke’s putting in oversight over Sanllehi’s “dodgy” dealings.

    I tried to explain that billionaire’s don’t do that – if they think you’re committing fraud which is basically what Pedro’s been insinuating they fire your arse and call the police.

  64. Pierre

    Marc
    “Unfortunately we’re seeing Pierre’s next “favourite” in Nketiah ”

    This is my comment earlier regarding “my favourite ”

    “Greenwood, I’m afraid to say, is a class above Nketiah and Martinelli.”

    Not that much of a favourite then ?

  65. Marc

    Raheem

    The Pooooooooooooooch left the Spud’s 9 odd months ago – he should be rested, refreshed and looking for his next role.

    If he doesn’t get something reasonably soon he’ll become something of a forgotten man.

  66. Freddie Ljungberg

    Pierre.

    You’re describing a poacher, that’s not very good on the ball. Martinelli is far more than that. Eddie isn’t though on current evidence.

  67. Graham62

    Martinelli is everything that Nelson and Willock are not.

    His natural South American psyche shines through.

    If only our English lads had the same hunger.

  68. SpanishDave

    Graham
    So right our youth players seem to have that languid half arsed attitude.
    It can only be a result of the youth set up. They don’t have that Arsenal dna in them, why?

  69. Pierre

    Fred
    “You’re describing a poacher, that’s not very good on the ball. Martinelli is far more than that. Eddie isn’t though on current evidence.”

    let me help you decipher what I said as you seemed to be in jackanory mode .

    ““He sure has an eye for goal and appears to have more composure on the ball in front of goal than in other areas of the pitch.”

    1)More composure in one area doesn’t mean no composure in another area…

    2)This is a compliment as many players lose their composure in front of goal, the best players retain their composure in front of goal .

    I hope this helps , if you are still struggling I will try and break it down more simply.

  70. Marko

    Pierre doing his level best to downplay our biggest talent in the team just like he has from day 1.

    Yeah I honestly don’t know why people engage with him he’s a weird fucker who doesn’t know what it is to be objective. Jumps from one dumb agenda to the next (Wenger to Ozil to Nketiah over Martinelli).

    On the topic of greenwood though great prospect looks absolutely fantastic. But I wouldn’t swap him for our Gabi. People forget how good he is and the impact he made mere months into a new league in a new country away from his family all the while in a very dysfunctional team. Meanwhile Mason has been at United since he was a kid. Plus they don’t really play the same position and obviously there’s different circumstances. But yeah talent both great but my preference is still Martinelli

  71. Habesha Gooner

    Greenwood is fantastic. He can find corners with his shots. He takes care of the ball. Still Martinelli can find the goal too. Headers and poacher finishes shows he knows how to move without the ball. What makes Martinelli stand out is the work rate he puts in. It’s like prime Suarez or Sanchez levels of work rate. I didn’t expect that from an 18 year old. You have to consider he scored 10 in 26 in a team that was 5th least creative on the league. Both Impressive. I would rate them the same right now. Klopp called the kid talent of the century with reason.

  72. Marc

    Raheem

    He’s already said he wouldn’t manage Barca because of his links to Espanyol – it’s the Real Madrid job he really wants but whether he’d be in contention and when it’ll be available is another question.

  73. Dream10

    I agree with Pierre that Martinelli is suited to being a #9. A top side probably has skilled high quality wide men who can create. We use Aubameyang and Pépé as wide players. They are more goal threats than creators.

    He’ll get games for us all across the front lines, depending on who the other forwards are. He’s not a great goal scorer yet. But he can be exceptional off the ball even if he’s not involved in the goals. He presses like a mad man. Conte or Simeone would start him every game over bigger name #9s

    I

  74. Freddie Ljungberg

    Pierre

    “1)More composure in one area doesn’t mean no composure in another area…”

    Based on your previous disparaging comments about him I doubt that’s what you really meant, but fine, that’s one way to interpret it I guess.

    You put him a level below Greenwood and on the same level as Eddie, if that’s not downplaying I don’t know what is.

    Lucky, heads down merchant, any of those ring a bell?
    It’s no great mystery what you think about Martinelli Pierre so spare me the lecturing.

    You seem to be permanently stuck in your default setting: jackass mode.

  75. Freddie Ljungberg

    Marko

    I know it’s pointless but I’ve got some time to kill.
    Also stupidity and agendas annoy me so Pierre and CG are prime candidates for the occasional rant.

  76. Kesses gunner

    Pierre
    Mart is also a dribbler I rem the saints game at home he dribbled and set up laca for the equilazer

  77. Pierre

    Marko
    “On the topic of greenwood though great prospect looks absolutely fantastic. But I wouldn’t swap him for our Gabi.”

    I would swap Greenwood for any of our strikers bar none.

    As for Martinelli, good player but due to his excellent early goal return, it has blinded many fans into believing that he is the new Ronaldo ( as someone called him).

    As the season has progressed, we have seen Martinelli struggle to maintain his early season form which hasn’t surprised me.

    What this has done is confirmed my original thoughts on him as being correct.

  78. Pierre

    Fred
    “It’s no great mystery what you think about Martinelli Pierre so spare me the lecturing.”

    No mystery at all..

    I like him , but the new Ronaldo…not for me .

    Same with Eddie

    I like him but Greenwood is the real deal .

    There you go , no mystery at all.

  79. Pierre

    Marko
    “Yeah I honestly don’t know why people engage with him he’s a weird fucker who doesn’t know what it is to be objective. Jumps from one dumb agenda to the next (Wenger to Ozil to Nketiah over Martinelli).”

    The unwritten rules on Le Grove are …

    Do not say Martinelli is anything other than world class.
    Do not praise Eddie , Willock or Nelson .
    Don’t question Arteta’s non-negotiables.
    Do not question the reason for Ozil being out of the side ( for non footballing reasons).
    Do not question any performance by Saka.

    If one questions any of Le groves unwritten rules then apparently you have a dumb agenda according to Marko..

  80. Emiratesstroller

    Since there are many who post on here rate Greenwood as a better player than
    Martinelli who played this season as 18 year olds.

    Here are some additional stats.

    Greenwood has played this season 98 GAMES [6,256 Minutes] with over 30
    games in EPL as well as a large number of U18 games. He played 50 games
    for 1st X1 scoring 17 goals and 5 assists.

    Martinelli has played all his football for First Team in 26 games [13 starts]
    [1,463 minutes] in all competitions and scored 10 goals and 4 assists.

    Bluntly Greenwood has been grossly overplayed this season and his stats look
    very good until you see how many games and minutes he has played.

    So I am perfectly comfortable that Martinelli has played on a similar level to
    him when I look at first team performance.

  81. Marko

    As the season has progressed, we have seen Martinelli struggle to maintain his early season form which hasn’t surprised me.

    He got a hamstring injury and then a serious knee injury you dumb fuck. This is my last reference cause you can’t have an honest conversation with you. You’re either too stupid or so interested in being right that you’ll lie. Just stick to weirdly obsessing over Ozil and how hard he’s done by. Tell us again about how an grossly underperforming player who pulls sickies gets unwarranted criticism. I liked that one

  82. Marko

    I don’t think anyone has said Martinelli is world class. Yet anyway. I think the closest to saying it was Jurgen Klopp who called him a talent of a generation or something like that

  83. Pierre

    Un
    “I think Martinelli will go right to the top top but he’s a low touch player like Aubameyang who’s good at finding spaces off the ball.”

    I agree , he is deadly in the box and has a strikers instinct in finding half a yard in the box.

    That’s not to say that Martinelli doesn’t have dribbling ability , he has.

    I think that part of his game will improve as he matures .

  84. Champagne Charlie

    Ozil never managed to get back into the side because he reported back unfit after the break and reverted to type following initially upping his game to meet the demands of the new manager.

    He’s no different to Guendouzi who couldn’t live up to what was requested. Two players unable to meet the requirements to be an Arsenal player out of near 30. Mystery solved, we now want them gone.

    Glad to have management in place that will deliver on such a thing.

  85. Marko

    Very true stroller. But again the key thing for me is that Martinelli did all that in his first season his first season away in another country not speaking the language being away from family and he had that impact. That to me shows an incredible desire and mindset. Also people tend to forget he was supposed to be going into the under 23’s when he first joined. And another thing is to remember he should have had better stats across the board because how many times were we all calling for more game time under the 3 different managers we had this season.

  86. Pierre

    Marko
    “He got a hamstring injury and then a serious knee injury you dumb fuck”

    In his first 7 games ( including sub app) he scored 7 goals .

    In the next 19 games ( inc sub app) he scored 3 goals .

    Looking at those figures, one would think it is a reasonable point to make that Martinelli didn’t maintain his early season form .

  87. Pierre

    Charlie
    “Ozil never managed to get back into the side because he reported back unfit after the break and reverted to type following initially upping his game to meet the demands of the new manager.”

    Inside information?

  88. Marko

    I mean it’s being a bit disingenuous everyone knows early season you have the group stages of the Europa and early rounds of the carling cup and shock horror his dry spell coincided with the poor run of form that led to the manager getting sacked. Honesty isn’t your strong suit is it little p

  89. Graham62

    Spanishdave

    This comes from being spoilt from an early age.

    I’ve seen this in other sports. Given too much too soon.

    You’re right though, there’s something wrong with our youth set up. Our lads need a kick up the backside

    Willock, in particular, drives me up the frigging wall with his “half arsed” attitude.

  90. Emiratesstroller

    Pierre

    I suggest that you take a close look at the stats.

    Martinelli played the first 3 starting games in EPL before he succumbed to
    hamstring and scored 1 goal.

    His next 3 starting games in EPL where he scored 2 goals, were those immediately before lockdown.

    Since then he has not played. So to be brutally frank Martinelli was actually
    outperforming Greenwood until March.

  91. Marko

    Two clubs from the Premier League and one from the Bundesliga are understood to be preparing bids for Arsenal’s Ainsley Maitland-Niles.

    Those clubs interested in the versatile youngster, who can play in midfield or defence, will have to get permission from Arsenal before any talks can begin – and for now, no permission has been granted.

    Reports over the weekend suggested Spurs were one of the clubs keen on the 22-year old, who started just one game after lockdown.

    Arsenal are looking to raise cash to fund their own summer recruitment drive and it’s understood Maitland-Niles may be allowed to leave.

    One game obviously just in the league. But one game I thought he was a favorite of Arteta’s? Hmmm

  92. Champagne Charlie

    All Arsenal first team players were sent gym equipment and bikes to maintain fitness levels in the break. Ozil reported back surprisingly way off the pace, and had a face to face with Arteta where it was made very clear he expected better from a leader in the dressing room.

    His ‘back injury’ nonsense reared it’s head again to avoid PR drama, but Ozil took exception to being dressed down and mailed it in when told to do extra to be ready. That was enough to burn bridges with Arteta, and from that point on the executive decision was made to back Arteta and freeze Ozil out the team no matter what in the interests of our future – setting the precedent if you like.

    Also why Ozil was on social media posturing “I am ready” stuff when Arteta deflected questions about him in pre-match conferences, that was him stirring matters because he’d been banished. The club chose their man, Arteta won hands down over Ozil.

  93. Champagne Charlie

    “Charles you’ll be happy to know Gabriel’s brother in law is now following Arsenal on social media. As good as confirmed“

    Cousin, sister, brother in law.

    When the mum gets in on it I’ll believe it Marko, not before then. Could be an elaborate scheme from his agent to get a new deal….

  94. Olumide

    I’ll pick Martinelli over Greenwood at Arsenal.
    Personally, Martinelli is the best youngster I’ve seen at Arsenal since Cesc Fabregas.

    Klopp: “Martinelli’s pretty much the same age but he’s a talent of the century, he’s an incredible striker, so it’s really difficult.”

    I think Klopp should be a great judge of a footballer.

  95. Olumide

    Marc
    What sort of idiot manager has a non negotiable of expecting players to be reasonably fit?

    Ask Pierre.

  96. Habesha Gooner

    Two clubs from the Premier League and one from the Bundesliga are preparing Bids for Ainsley Maitland-Niles. Sky

    Looks like we can charge upward of 20 mil for him. Lots of competition for his signature.

  97. Pierre

    Stroller
    “Since then he has not played. So to be brutally frank Martinelli was actually
    outperforming Greenwood until March.”

    If you care to check, I have not mentioned about Greenwood outperforming Maŕtinelli this season.

    What I have said is that I believe Greenwood to be a better footballer than Martinell and Nketiah.

    Marko, being his usual rude , abusive self, called me a dumb fucker for suggesting that Martinelli didn’t maintain his early season form, of which I produced figures to confirm this .

  98. Marko

    When the mum gets in on it I’ll believe it Marko, not before then.

    But she’s stuck in the past man she keeps trying to follow Arsenal on Myspace to no avail.

  99. CG

    HG

    “””””Looks like we can charge upward of 20 mil for him. Lots of competition for his signature.”””””

    Off course there will be.

    A huge emerging talent.
    Aged 22.

    10 more years at the very top , this one.

  100. Pierre

    Here come the Ozil obsessives, I think I’ll leave them to it , I can see where this is going.

    The golf course awaits ..weather’s beautiful, nice little sea breeze ,a nice round of golf and then a pint of Guinness (or 2) …sorted.

  101. Marko

    Before anyone starts with the whole pissing and moaning about us potentially losing AMN think about it like this for the fees being reported selling him would more or less pay for Gabriel to join. What’s needed more a new starting CB or a bit part player?

  102. Marc

    Marko

    I do wish you’d get your facts right.

    “What’s needed more a new starting CB or a bit part player?”

    Should actually read “What’s needed more a new starting CB or a bit part player who wants to leave?”

  103. Pierre

    “Marc
    What sort of idiot manager has a non negotiable of expecting players to be reasonably fit?

    Ask Pierre.”

    No ask Charlie, he’s the one with the inside information.

  104. Champagne Charlie

    “Here come the Ozil obsessives, I think I’ll leave them to it , I can see where this is going.“

    You asked if it’s insider info, and the answer is a firm yes. If this is your response to that then it tells it’s own story.

  105. Habesha Gooner

    Marc
    To be honest I don’t think he is going to fail. He will be a starter for a team around midtable. 8th to 12th place teams would want him. He would good enough there. But I don’t think he would be an elite player. He has ability but his mentality is lacking. He has the body language of Ozil. That’s what is going to hold him back.

  106. Aussie Gooner

    I still can’t believe that some on here are still doubting the abilities of Martinelli!

    Pure stats – season 19/20

    Martinelli – mins per goal – 146 min per assist – 365
    Greenwood – mins per goal – 135 min per assist – 513

    And how they rave over Greenwood! Martinelli came from another country and adjusted straight away as an 18 year old.

    The only doubt about Martinelli is his recovery from a serious knee injury. He is young and fit so hopefully all will be well!

  107. Aussie Gooner

    Ozil is finished, has been for some time. His agent knows how to work the system to ensure financial security for both himself and Ozil. Ozil will never play for Arsenal again – he has disrespected the management and the fans time and time again. It is plain for all to see.

    AMN – 20m? Bite their hand off!

  108. Emiratesstroller

    Pierre

    I have always treated you with respect and it takes a lot for me to react badly to
    another poster.

    Frankly I disagree with your assessment but our opinions are subjective.

    Martinelli has been played this season with very limited game time and when
    he has played performed well above expectation. You should also remember
    that he was recruited for the U23 Team when he first arrived at club.

    Greenwood has far more experience of English Football and has been grossly
    overplayed this season in my opinion. He has benefited since Fernandes
    arrival from upturn in Man Utds overall performance.

    What is not beyond dispute as far as I am concerned is that Arsenal have two
    youngsters on their books in Martinelli and Saka who are outstanding prospects and they rank alongside Greenwood [Man Utd] and Foden [Man City] as the best emerging prospects currently playing in EPL.

  109. CG

    AG

    “”””””The only doubt about Martinelli is his recovery from a serious knee injury. He is young and fit so hopefully all will be well!””””””

    that indeed is the worry,

    (I was amazed he was still on crutches when he was picking up his winners medal at Wembley…)

    Well, if he does come back to his previous form- he will have to modify his game.

    Because if Bellerin is anything to go by- we might have seen the best of him already.
    Sadly.

  110. Marko

    And how they rave over Greenwood! Martinelli came from another country and adjusted straight away as an 18 year old.

    This is what I like the most about the lad literally brand spanking new to everything the club the country everything. Was brought in to the under 23’s to begin with from the Brazilian 4th division might I add and he hit the ground running. Remarkable talent to do all that. Meanwhile greenwood has been at United his whole career and around the under 23’s and bubbling under the first team for a while. Don’t get me wrong I’m not downplaying the lad I certainly wouldn’t do it to either player I’m not that type of wanker but both circumstances aren’t the same.

  111. Marko

    What is not beyond dispute as far as I am concerned is that Arsenal have two
    youngsters on their books in Martinelli and Saka who are outstanding prospects and they rank alongside Greenwood [Man Utd] and Foden [Man City] as the best emerging prospects currently playing in EPL.

    I would agree with that. There’s a couple others knocking about in the premier league (at Liverpool for example) but I think that those lads are the cream of the crop for sure.

  112. Captain Tierney

    Arsenal fans. Smh.

    Greenwood and Gabi are two world class talents. And if you ask me I’ll take Gabi over Greenwood every damn time.

    Both outrageous talents.

    Lets compare the 3 main areas considered while evaluating a player.

    Physique – Both have very very good physique.
    But from what I’ve seen Martinelli is more explosive and pacy. But Greenwood himself is fast.
    So maybe they break even in explosiveness and pace But Gabi is more powerful.

    Technique- Greenwood tops this category in most areas except heading.

    Mental- The most important of all. Mental.
    And our boy Gabi outshines every other 18 yo in this category. Therese no comparing his mental with any other prospect.

    And this imo is the decisive factor.
    Technique is the easiest to improve upon.
    Mental is the most difficult / most of the times near impossible to improve upon

    It will be a great battle between these 2 .

    And leta not ecen compare the background, upbringing and the environment of these 2.

  113. Marko

    Who do folk consider the best sub-21 talent in the league currently?Top 6 players say?

    Gabi, Greenwood, Saka, Foden, Charlie Gilmour, Curtis Jones? Some people might say Brewster who done well on loan at Swansea. Neco Williams looks very good at Liverpool the full back.

  114. Marko

    Pulisic is 22 in September. He’s class though. I remember when it was announced that he’d be joining Chelsea and people were on here downplaying the signing saying that his numbers weren’t all that. Fitness issues aside he’s an incredible talent just loves to dribble past players which is a rarity these days

  115. Champagne Charlie

    Yea the ones that jump out at me are Saka, Foden, Greenwood, Martinelli, Aaron’s, Hudson-Odoi and Gilmour.

    I think Pulisic is another stage up in terms of development, about to turn 22 and been in first teams a while.

    Buzz around Harvey Elliot too, but can’t get past his look honestly. Screams chav