Guess who isn’t leaving?

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Newcastle United will NOT be taken over by the bad folk that chop up dissenters.

I absolutely LOVE to see it.

Their fans, the greatest on earth, spent the last 3 months justifying the takeover, completely throwing all ethics to the wind… they were dreaming of Pochettino, MBappe, and spending £300m in a single summer.

Now they have nothing. Another season of Steve Bruce football. The hope that Andy Carroll might sign on for another year.

Good.

After that carry-on, they deserve Mike Ashley, and to have SPORTS DIRECT painted on their stadium.

My worry is that sports washing fund has just moved onto another Premier League club. I hope it’s not Spurs, who are rumoured to be looking for a buyer.

ONTO ARSENAL.

Arsenal inquired as to the availability of Jack Grealish and were told £70m. A silly sum of cash that basically says they don’t want to sell him this summer. I love the player, but we really don’t need to play with fees like that. We’d get better value from a distressed Europe this summer. If City can get Torres for £20m, then we should be looking to match that sort of value.

The Zaha rumours are also hotting up. Palace is not going to be a club with hundreds of millions this summer, but they do need a rebuild, and Zaha could be a good make-weight for them. I think he had the second most take ons in the league last season, and he’s readymade for the league.

If we are in for him, you’d have to wonder about the future of Pepe. I would not be surprised to see him moved on this summer and the fact he came from the Lille factory of talent via some Mendes dealings likely means there will be a club that they could find for him. I’m just not sure we’d get much in the way of recompense.

Interesting to see Lille getting €50m for a player with one solid season in Ligue 1 under his belt. That sort of price level would be obscene in normal times, why would anyone spend that in a depressed market? Even weirder when you consider they finished 7th this year. No Champions League. Notable that the same team were in the market for Pepe last year as well. Still, one thing is not in doubt, Luis Campos is a god of footballing talent.

Granit Xhaka had some nice things to say about the man who convinced him to stay in December.

“He convinced me to stay with Arsenal,”

“We had a very good conversation shortly after his appointment, and I can really only say positive things about him. He is a young, very meticulous trainer who gives more than 100% in every training session, who optimally prepares us for every single game.

“I have rarely experienced this. He is really a great guy as a coach, but also as a person and I have already learned a lot from him during the time he is with us. Many details that have made me even better.

“So it’s really a pleasure to be able to play under him.”

It’ll be interesting to see if he stays beyond this summer, I suspect he will.

Mesut Ozil’s agent has once again said his client won’t leave this summer. Super odd that the German doesn’t seem to care about football or playing at all. I hope Arsenal cut a deal and he leaves on a free. We cannot have his shadow lurking over the club for another season, it’s too disruptive.

FA Cup news has been hard to come by, so I guess we’ll save the chat for tomorrow after some prezzers drop and we get a bit of news.

I’m starting to get excited, I hope you are too.

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  1. Rich

    I’m not saying we should sell Pepe, because most players need time settling in.

    But he’s not been automatic starter with Emery, Ljungberg, and now Arteta, his numbers aren’t awful, but selling him on for £55 mill after a season would show a level of decisiveness that’s long been lacking.

    Just watched a 17 minute video of Aouar on YouTube, and it made my dick hard

  2. TallestTiz

    Can we please sign up Emiliano Buendia?
    Partey
    Xhaka
    Ceballos
    Buendia – Replaces Özilwho has to leave anyhow
    Willock
    Torreira replacement

  3. TallestTiz

    If we also get rid of Guendouzi – which I hope it happens, we replace too.
    I don’t see anything special in his game. Too slow, one paced and predictable

  4. Calypso

    Something’s gone wrong with team recruitment because our league form has gotten worse not better.

    The board need to shoulder the blame for the length of time it took to discharge Wenger.

  5. DivineSherlock

    Nobody is dismissing his quality. Just his age and value for money.
    And no, it’s not long term gain if we spend £20m on him for a season only for him to go back to Barca and we have to then look for a new amf player when he’s had a good season and the team functioned well around him. Better to have team continuity I say. Too much squad turnover, too quickly every season. There’s always a new round of “dross or deadwood” to get rid of. Then the shiny new toys that Marko and Hairline spunk their pants over become just as hated as the original dead wood and round and round we go.

    You say this and dont you realise that this is how we really operate now ? Denis Suarez , Cedric Soares , Pablo Mari , Dani Ceballos . All of them on loan later made permanent or not (incase of Denis Suarez) . Ceballos isnt even made permanent yet and City is sniffing around already , there is always question marks on loan signings . So yes maybe a year on loan would be expensive but if he makes us top 4 and fucks off , then with CL we can easily attract better players , whats the holdup ? . You dont deny he has that kind of quality . The last time we made top 4 we had prime Ozil and Ramsey in midfield . With Ceballos and Coutinho I think we can make it .

  6. Marc

    ” I hope it’s not Spurs, who are rumoured to be looking for a buyer.”

    Joe Lewis has been desperate to sell the Spud’s for decades now.

  7. Radio Raheem

    I think Napoli will sell Milik and have sold Allan to Everton. The deal for Osimhen also involves player exchange with Callejon. This might explain their spending.

    Anyway, for all the rubbish I see here written about Leno see below and watch the clip on Leno

    https://www.arsenal.com/news/vote-your-201920-player-season

    Martinez is doing well and deserves the plaudits he is getting. But it’s his best form in what a decade at Arsenal? And this for ten or so matches. For this the goalie who has been consistent over 2 seasons is cast aside like nothing the moment he gets injured.

    Let’s see if Martinez can keep this up over a season before letting go of our potential player of the season.

  8. DivineSherlock

    Pedro really Pepe ? , come on atleast let Arteta work his magic on him first . I think he is gonna be a revelation next season , just my instinct .

  9. DigitalBob

    Pepe is staying, you don’t sell your club record singing after one season especially when it could and should be classified as a decent debut season.

    Financially its silly as well, considering we wont get close to the same transfer fee back, regardless of the agents involved.

    Lets give the man another year, a full one with Arteta and see what type of threat he can be for us.

  10. Habesha Gooner

    Selling Pepe Would be stupid. No matter how poor a signing, You need atleast two seasons to fully Judge them if they show promise. And Pepe has shown promise. That is a Nonsense suggestion.

    I feel like I have typed this a thousand times but Emiliano Buendia will be the bargain of the summer for whoever gets him. He is ready to take center stage. It will be a Wjinaldum From Newcastle kind of move If we get him.

  11. Ernest Reed

    Interesting comments, Pedro. On one hand you cant see us paying 70 million for Grealish and yet the doughnuts upstairs had zero compunction on spending that same amount on the Decepticon otherwise known as My Left Foot (Pepe), and you would not be surprised to see said person sold (obviously at a loss because no one could possibly be as stupid as Arsenal’s Idiot Management Team to pay such a ridiculous fee as 70m).

    Says a lot of what continues to plague Arsenal – bad management and bad breath at the top. No wonder they are so lousy and for oh so many valid reasons.

  12. Marko

    We’re selling Pepe? Why? Because he only got 8 goals and 9 assists in his first season bare in mind Arsenal went through three managers in their worst season in decades. As I said before nothing more knee jerk than an Arsenal fan. Best not discuss it it’s not going to happen

  13. DivineSherlock

    Never seen Arsenal do that before though would be really ruthless stuff . Dumping a club record signing in a year. Must be really something wrong with him if Arsenal do that.

  14. Un na naai

    . The last time we made top 4 we had prime Ozil and Ramsey in midfield .

    Divine
    And cazorla, Wilshere, Theo, ox, Giroud and Sanchez
    All who’d been at arsenal for longer than a season. Those teams had continuity. All great teams have continuity. This team is recycling it’s squad completely every 2-3 seasons
    How many here started Wenger’s first season in his 25 man squad?
    Xakha
    Mustafi
    Kolasinac
    Lacazette
    Ozil
    Holding

    That’s 3 years ago.
    I’d say all but Xakha would be gone by this summer hadozil not been a cunt and Mustafi not got injured. Even Xakha was pulled back at the 11th hour by Arteta this jan. that could be every senior wenger player gone this summer

    Our signings in 2018/19 for emery’s first season
    Every one of them but Leno will he gone this summer and maybe even Leno might go if the club is that desperate for funds and Areta prefers Martinez 🤞
    Again, that is 4/5 of our entire summer of 2 years ago out the door.

    2 fucking years and they are “dross” and “deadwood” already.

  15. Marko

    4th in scoring 2nd in assists with room for improvement obviously and people bemoan our lack of goals and assists outside of our strikers.

  16. andy1886

    Divine, not since we signed for a record fee and got rid of Clive Allen over the summer of 1980.

    For all those that think of AFC as the great entertainers we swapped him for Kenny Sansom, a full back.

    We did okay out of it though, but back then it was a very Arsenal thing to do.

  17. Radio Raheem

    I see posters throwing out stats and going “Ooooo look Pepe didn’t have a crap season, he had an alright season, infact compared to this and that he had a great season…”
    God help us. What happened to your eyes?? For fuck sake Hleb’s stats I’m sure were crap but boy what a player he was.

    But for a handful of games Pepe plays like a fucking predictable retard. He needs to do a lot better and more consistently too. Quite telling that he hasn’t been an automatic starter for all 3 managers he has had at Arsenal despite his huge price tag. That said, I have seen some encouraging signs lately and hope he builds on that next season.

    By the way Ljgunberg and Pires were completely different players with different roles in the team that didn’t always manifest in quantifiable stats. Pepe shouldn’t be mentioned in the same breadth as those lot. Different eras too.

  18. Marc

    “Every one of them but Leno will he gone this summer and maybe even Leno might go if the club is that desperate for funds and Areta prefers Martinez ”

    Not exactly a ringing endorsement of Mislintat’s work at the club is it.

  19. CG

    Sherlock

    “”””Lets give the man another year, a full one with Arteta and see what type of threat he can be for us.””””

    the best and brightest coaches in the world WONT be able to teach Pepe to use his right foot or stop him being read by switched on defenders.

    talented Harlem Globetrotter type but one dimensional and whimsical.
    He will have 1 good game in 4.5

    And that’s not good enough when you shell out on the clubs record transfer fee.

    think what you could do with £72 million nowdays!

  20. Trap

    Zaha available on loan for with obligation to make permanent transfer doing yh rounds

    Looks like we might finally land wilf

  21. Un na naai

    MarkoJuly 30, 2020 16:57:28
    We’re selling Pepe? Why? Because he only got 8 goals and 9 assists in his first season bare in mind Arsenal went through three managers in their worst season in decades. As I said before nothing more knee jerk than an Arsenal fan. Best not discuss it it’s not going to happen

    Nothing more knee jerk eh Marko
    Maybe I should dig up those posts of you ejaculating all over your keyboard when we signed Xakha and Mustafi.

  22. DivineSherlock

    Un na naai

    So whats your point I dont get it ? You claim continuity is important but the club is mostly operating with caution and signing players on loan first. So whats the beef with Coutinho if he is on loan ,same as Ceballos or Mari or Cedric besides the fact that he is expensive .

  23. andy1886

    Radio, we all look at players differently. Take your example of Hleb. I watched him loads of times, thought that he was all style and no substance. Can’t say that he was missed.

  24. Wasi

    No way we sell Pepe this window. For 2 reasons

    1) He looks settled and is getting better.

    2) No way we can recoup the 72 mil we spent on him.

    And no thanks to Zaha , he will definately put up better numbers at Arsenal but a LW is not on high on our list if priorities right now.
    And even if we decided to go for a winger , I’d rather it be Benrahma who is younger and imo has a higher ceiling.

  25. Marc

    “July 30, 2020 17:10:28
    CG, can’t argue there, staggering we paid that much for a player with one foot”

    “July 14, 2021 16:19:42
    Pepe’s second season has been phenomenal, clearly amazing vision by Sven and even better coaching by Arteta”

    Pedro you’re getting far to predictable.

  26. andy1886

    Crimson, he’s destined for the U23’s.

    Nothing to do with the fact that he’s Rwandan, like one of our sponsors, honest…

  27. Sid

    Our signings of 2018/19 season are the only ones with a resale value,
    Majority of signings pre 2018 would cost the club money to get rid,

  28. CG

    PedRo

    “””””CG, can’t argue there, staggering we paid that much for a player with one foot”””””

    Just as well( in many ways)

    crikey what would have ‘tubby Raul shelled out if he could use both feet and head the ball?

    Mpbabbe money?

  29. Ernest Reed

    Just guts you when you see other teams picking up good talent at good prices and here we are again with Arsenal handcuffing themselves by over-spending and over-paying for marginal talent. No wonder they cant compete with even lesser teams – how can you when cant even save yourself from yourself!

  30. Un na naai

    Andy 1886

    What you reckon old sausage? Pepe going? Zaha coming? Coutinho worth a loan punt or better to spend our money on long term investment signings?

  31. andy1886

    Radio, I liked Rosicky, had character, balls even. Didn’t see too much personality from Hleb but I appreciate that that may have just been his personality.

  32. DivineSherlock

    CG

    Raheem Sterling comes to mind , wildly inconsistent and solely right footed . Guess who coached him to get better ?

  33. Un na naai

    andy1886July 30, 2020 17:12:58
    Radio, we all look at players differently. Take your example of Hleb. I watched him loads of times, thought that he was all style and no substance. Can’t say that he was missed.

    Come now Andy! Hleb was quality. He skills and quickly feet facilitated some of the best football the United Kingdom has ever seen

  34. Champagne Charlie

    If Arsenal land Zaha and Coutinho that elevates our attack something rotten.

    They’re both 27/28 though so let’s avoid and bring in Joelson from sporting, at 17 he gives us 13 years for 13 mil.

  35. andy1886

    Un, you must know by now I prefer a different style of football, that’s early rather than later Wenger. Totally different teams.

  36. Wasi

    Even Robben was horribly single footed. Dont think anyone would disagree when I say he was one of the winger of his generation.

  37. Un na naai

    Champagne CharlieJuly 30, 2020 17:19:51
    If Arsenal land Zaha and Coutinho that elevates our attack something rotten. They’re both 27/28 though so let’s avoid and bring in Joelson from sporting, at 17 he gives us 13 years for 13 mil.

    ✊🏼🥖 💦

  38. Marko

    Is being one footed really that bad all of a sudden because we’re talking about Pepe. Fuck me some of you lot need some educating or I assume you feel the same way about Messi, Robben, Sane etc etc. I dunno sometimes. Van persie couldn’t tie his right shoe lace and he wasn’t bad for us

  39. JAMES WOOD

    Should we really have to give a player costing 70Million
    2 seasons to settle in.?
    He will be the same player in 2 years as he is now.?
    A very good dead ball player.
    A player that heads a ball like a balloon.
    A player with a lazy side who goes missing.
    A predictable player.
    70 million what are we doing.

  40. Un na naai

    Van Persie was one footed until he turned 28/29.
    I think we are being a bit harsh on Pepe man and a tad premature. Pepe has 2-3 on him non stop
    You need other danger men floating around the final third to pull defenders away from Pepe
    If he’s our only creative danger then it’s easy for them to cut him out

    Him and zaha on opposite wings could be dynamite though.

  41. Un na naai

    JAMES WOODJuly 30, 2020 17:24:47
    Should we really have to give a player costing 70Million
    2 seasons to settle in.?

    Yes James
    He didn’t ask to be worth that. As I said his G/A is higher than Pires and Freddie in their first 2 seasons.

  42. Ernest Reed

    “Is being one footed really that bad all of a sudden because we’re talking about Pepe. ”

    It is when your other foot is as useless as Pepe’s, Marko. And those that you mention in your example have the element of surprise in their game, something that Pepe the predictable does not have. If you are going to bring a knife to a gunfight Marko, at least have the decency to not show up or pull an Ozil. You are as predictable a commenter as Pepe is a player.

  43. Trap

    Marc

    Check the news it might be,but I think it’s the only way palace get say 50m in total for zaha his stats are real poor to command such fee but he’d be good for us no doubt

  44. Wasi

    ‘Pepe the predictable ‘

    Pepe the predictable? He is one of the most unpredictable players in the league.

    Also , its not apples to oranges. Pepe is very similar to Robben in his style of play. Thats why Bayern were linked to Pepe to replace him. But Gnabry turned out good enough on the RW for them.

  45. Trap

    News has gone cold on a central defender apart from sarr ,upamecanos extension is till 2022 just a year.

  46. Un na naai

    MarkoJuly 30, 2020 17:28:14
    Van Persie was one footed until he turned 28/29.????

    Yes
    That’s right
    Then he started scoring bangers with his right. I remember it being a theme that season
    Scored two beauties against pool and chelsea
    Went out in the papers and said that since wenger asked him to be a 9 1/2 they started working on his movement off the shoulder and his right foot

  47. Marko

    If you are going to bring a knife to a gunfight Marko, at least have the decency to not show up or pull an Ozil.

    What the hell are you talking about idiot I don’t even know you. Do you usually get into discussions around here or do you usually just aim for 4th and go on your merry. You sound very intelligent all the same. Tell me again how being predominantly one footed is an issue

  48. Champagne Charlie

    “He didn’t ask to be worth that. As I said his G/A is higher than Pires and Freddie in their first 2 seasons.“

    This can’t be the only yard stick for a player though, that’s what many people have said.

    Show me the stat that translates how constant a threat Pires was when the ball was at his feet, and how he’d combine superbly with his teammates to keep the ball and provide an outlet over and over in games.

    There isn’t one, but these aspects of his performance were witnessed by every player. Pepe being judged solely on numbers isn’t telling the whole story, he’s lived on moments and he’s absolutely not been the consistent menace game upon game you’d hope for given the investment.

  49. Radio Raheem

    Being ‘one-footed’ or predictable isn’t the problem. An argument could be made that the best players are somewhat predictable, I mean you know Ronaldo will always go for goal, Messi will always shimmy, Robben left foot… The point these players were or are unstoppable even knowing what they’ll do next.

    You can’t say the same for Pepe. He is stopped often or he stops himself. So how about he becomes less predictable as he clearly isn’t one of the greats eh?

    I see he is now very quickly crossing the ball diagonally for Auba. Good.

    He is now also trying to read and anticipate second balls then going for them. Again, good.

    Why it’s taken a year for him to figure these out is quite baffling. But all very promising for next season. He can be an Arsenal great he just needs to get going.

  50. CG

    Wasi

    “””””Cg Your sweetheart Wenger let Mbappe go for a couple of mils.”””””

    We will add him to the nearly signed list. ( its probably 2 pages long now.)

    But Our Wenger* did always try for outrageous quality.
    Now, we are less fussy. More mundane tastes…….

    Some you win: some you loose.

    *Book out soon.

  51. Habesha Gooner

    Seriously I think Pedro wrote that to spark some controversy. He will then tell us pepe is an agent driven signing. Since Arteta came in he has been performing to a really good level. And We have no creative players. We need them and we will see a different pepe next season.

  52. andy1886

    @ CG – Actually I will probably buy the book. Have no idea how objective it will be so I reserve the right to stop reading around half way through (assuming it’s a chronological review of his time in football).

  53. Freddie Ljungberg

    Pepe being one footed may make him predictable but it doesn’t make him easy to defend against, he is too quick footed for that.

    It doesn’t matter what his price tag was either if it takes time to adapt it takes time.
    Saying he’s going to be the same player in 2 years time as now just makes you stupid. Or saying that this is the best we’re going to see from Pepe just because he didn’t beast the league in his first season. Smh

    He’s been horribly isolated on the right with very sporadic help from RB and with no creativity in midfield the ball doesn’t reach him in any good positions so he has to drop too deep and collect the ball.

    The only reason we could afford to drop 72m on him was because the payment plan favoured us. We spent less than 20m on him last season, that enabled us to strengthen more positions in the team. The deal with Saliba was the same way, signing a player and paying for it later.

    Needs must when you’re left with a crap squad on unreasonable wages and you have to try to plug multiple gaps with limited funds.

  54. Marko

    Pepe being judged solely on numbers isn’t telling the whole story, he’s lived on moments and he’s absolutely not been the consistent menace game upon game you’d hope for given the investment.

    I hear you but you could easily insert name of particular player you don’t like and have a similar argument. Like with Zaha and Coutinho for example. There’s nothing wrong with moments btw

  55. andy1886

    HG – Actually Emery wanted Zaha not Pepe so there must have been some other reason for the signing. I’m not saying it was agent driven but I’m pretty sure that Raul wouldn’t know a decent player from a bag of cement.

  56. DivineSherlock

    CG

    Have you heard the term reinvention ? Its what players do , they reinvent their games based on data they get . Do you think Pepe just sits on his ass all day , you think he doesnt know his weaknessess ? What a stupid assumption to make .

  57. Ernest Reed

    “But Gnabry turned out good enough on the RW for them.”

    Thats always going to be an ouchy, Wasi.

  58. Champagne Charlie

    Marko

    I’m always concerned with performance before raw output, doesn’t matter the player. Zaha is an example of a player who I rate for performance and much less so his output, Coutinho I rate for both.

    Pepe has underwhelmed this season to any casual observer which I think tells a story on its own. No, there’s nothing wrong with moments because games need them, but that’s not why we invested so heavily in him. He was to be our Mane/Salah/Hazard/Sterling type player.

    How many of them are average for 5 games, or do little for 75mins? They’re constant threats, week after week and it’s a crisis of one goes 5 games without a goal.

  59. Un na naai

    Show me the stat that translates how constant a threat Pires was when the ball was at his feet, and how he’d combine superbly with his teammates to keep the ball and provide an outlet over and over in games.

    Charlie
    Pires was actually pretty conservative and restrained in his first season. Pires also played in a team containing Bergkamp, Henry, Kanu, Vieira and Cole
    Pires also played for just one manager in one style.
    Pires also played in a side that was top 2, every season, without fail.

    Pepe hasn’t had any of those luxuries. He’s been put on the wing, largely unsupported and still did pretty well on the G/A front with some quality moments and displays.

    Point is that even the greatest arsenal wide man of the premier league era had a slow start despite the advantages he held over Pepe.

  60. Ernest Reed

    “What the hell are you talking about idiot”

    Nice one Marko. Little wonder you get no respect from pretty much everyone on this blog.

  61. Habesha Gooner

    Andy1886
    I actually wanted Ziyech Over any one. I still think he was value. But I can clearly see a great player in Pepe too. He is more a Right wing forward than a Right wing Midfielder. But he was trying to be the creator for a team that didn’t have creative midfielders. He wasn’t playing his role that he signed for. And He cost 20 mil the first season. Zaha was being spoken in the 80 mil range in one payment. That’s what Chelsea will end up paying for Havertz who is a generational talent. Pepe didn’t workout as we hoped but he was still the better value. And Citing Emery isn’t a good proof. Our scouting team decided he was better Value and they are right. This discussion is as knee jerk as it comes.

  62. CG

    Sherlock

    “””””Do you think Pepe just sits on his ass all day , you think he doesnt know his weaknessess ? What a stupid assumption to make .””””””

    I would hope he thinks about the game. (But I have my doubts,)
    But so do his opposing defenders.
    And they know – he is pretty easy to read.
    (He can only come inside the field of play from the right wing,)

    Why do you think he has never played a Champions League fixture at 25?

    An appalling signing at £72 000 000
    rank incompetence

  63. Champagne Charlie

    “Point is that even the greatest arsenal wide man of the premier league era had a slow start despite the advantages he held over Pepe.“

    So he has been underwhelming then…

    Because that opinion seems to rile a number of people up despite it being a pretty obvious assessment to make of his debut season.

  64. Un na naai

    but that’s not why we invested so heavily in him. He was to be our Mane/Salah/Hazard/Sterling type player.

    Mane

    First season in England at Southampton
    30 starts Scores 10 assists 2
    Second
    42 games 15 goals assist 9
    Signs for Liverpool
    3rd season
    29 games Scores 13 assists 8

    Salah
    First season at chelsea
    Plays 17, scores 4, assists 2
    First season at Serie A
    Plays 34, scores 9 assists 6
    First season at Liverpool
    52 games 44 goals 16 assists

    Even the best take time to find their feet in a new league, country, culture, team, team mates, coach, system.

  65. Marko

    He was to be our Mane/Salah/Hazard/Sterling type player.How many of them are average for 5 games, or do little for 75mins? They’re constant threats, week after week and it’s a crisis of one goes 5 games without a goal.

    You’ll have to be more specific are you talking about those players now or when they were starting out in the premier league? Because Hazard aside Pepe has done similarly as well as Mane when he first came to the premier league and obviously much better than Salah did at Chelsea. Sterling it’s perhaps unfair to him given he came through the ranks at Liverpool. Unless you’re talking about him coming in and expected to hit the same type of performances and numbers of those players in his first season. If you’re implying that that’s absolutely mental honestly.

  66. Habesha Gooner

    Put Salah in our team as it is and he will struggle. Mane on the other hand is another story because he can do everything. I could see why people think a Brute force like Zaha would work better but he has never had to play against teams who sit deep. He would struggle badly in our team too.

  67. andy1886

    @HG

    I’m not really offering an opinion either way on Pepe. I’m simply pointing out that the selection process was a little opaque so we don’t really know what the thought process was that led us to pay £70m.

    I’m not convinced that our scouts had much of an input though. Haven’t we just let most of them go? Doesn’t suggest we had much faith in them.

    If I had to suggest a logic behind it I would say it was a combination of the stats guys and our management team thinking of who had the biggest resale potential. I’m sure they assumed that prices would continue to rise and we’d either recoup the cash if it didn’t work out or make some serious dough if it did.

  68. Un na naai

    So he has been underwhelming then… Because that opinion seems to rile a number of people up despite it being a pretty obvious assessment to make of his debut season.

    Charlie
    Yeah I’d say he has. Like salah, Bergkamp and pires in their first season
    Doesn’t rile me. I’ll be as disappointed if not more so than anyone if he doesn’t kick on. But let’s be fair and give the boy time to adjust
    He’s had his first year in a team with 3 new gaffers playing pretty negative football with no attacking support
    Get Coutinho and Zaha alongside him behind Aubameyang or Lacazette and I bet he picks it up next season.

  69. Champagne Charlie

    Marko/Un

    Pepe was bought by Arsenal at a different time in his career to Hazard and Salah, pretty disingenuous to use their debut campaigns when they were fucking 20.

    Pepe is 25 now, does it really not twig with you that the demand for consistency is high in a player at that age? He’s not a bloody prospect.

  70. Marko

    Also to bring up consistency and players being constant threats and going 5 games without a goal to shit on the Pepe signing but then very much being all for the signing of Zaha kinda reeks of a double standard but that’s okay. You see Pepe and think underwhelming while I see promise in his first season and enough there to think that we can see better in the future. He wasn’t signed up with one season in mind thankfully

  71. Un na naai

    Charlie

    Pires and Bergkamp were 25 and 27
    It’s not a one size fits all situation. We are dealing with human beings. Different folks different strokes. Different personality types. Cazorla comes in and instantly lights up the league
    Dennis takes a season or so to get going.
    Both crazy talented. Dennis and Bobby probably/maybe even more of an elite mentality than Cazorla.

  72. James wood

    My post 17.24. 17.24.
    I did not mention thatPepe is one footed.?
    Saha is very one footed yet a lot of posters would take him
    subject to his passport age Tomorrow.
    I did mention Pepe heads the ball like a kid with a balloon.
    And that he is a great dead ball player.
    But at best he is a 40/50 Million player.

    .

  73. andy1886

    If Arsenal signing George Lewis while United are said to be closing on a deal for Sancho doesn’t put our finances into perspective I’m not sure what will.

    Short break between seasons but it could turn out to be a long window for us.

  74. Un na naai

    CalypsoJuly 30, 2020 18:09:03
    Un Na NaaiBergkamp was world class when Rioch signed him the same cannot be said of Pepe.

    Exactly
    And even he took a season or so to get going
    Thanks for making my point though. Next time I need help I’ll ask for it

  75. Marko

    Pepe is 25 now, does it really not twig with you that the demand for consistency is high in a player at that age?

    I mean he just turned 25 and had just turned 24 when we signed him. I mean dunno what you want him to be as good at 24 in a new league as Salah and Mane at 27/28 in their 5th/6th season in the premier league respectively. Some expectation that.

  76. Un na naai

    CalypsoJuly 30, 2020 18:13:53
    Un Na NaaiBergkamp in his debut season helped Arsenal qualify for Europe.Not Pepe lol

    1) the season isn’t over yet brains
    2) you’ve made my point for me again. Bergkamp joined a stye led team with players who’d all been together years. Many of whom had won titles, cups and a cup winners cup. Pepe came into a total shit show

  77. Sid

    Diet Peps tactics bring the best(if theres such a thing) out of Xhakalson, Mustafinovs, Luiz, Laca while stiffling our top players Auba, Pepe, Saka, Gabi

  78. Radio Raheem

    Un

    True haha. But I’m sure every club has their Zelalem.

    I’d really like us to be that club that finds hidden gems. Kolo Toure, Edu, Silvinho, Clichy, Vieira to a lesser extent… I think it’s the only way to get back to the top and it’s not impossible as clubs in Spain and Germany are still doing it.

  79. Un na naai

    Charlie uses zaha being at palace to justify his numbers but then claims Pepe should be emulating slays and mane.

    Come on chuck
    You’re better than this.

  80. Un na naai

    CalypsoJuly 30, 2020 18:23:28
    Un Na NaaiThe club finished 12th the season before Bergkamp joined, you are either a troll or not very good on your Arsenal history.

    Calypso
    Yes and they had Adams, Seaman, Merson, platt, dixon, bould, Keown, winterburn and Wright. All who’d played together for years and won titles and cups together.
    All of those players then won the title in 98

    Either way bergkamp was a top 3 in the world player and he took a year to settle. You plonker

  81. Champagne Charlie

    Marko
    I’m going to avoid going down transfer rabbit holes with you, you’ve got history of ignoring what’s actually being said and straw-manning your way down the yellow brick road.

    You’ve got this weird equivalency bit you resort to because you can’t hack someone that doesn’t share your view explicitly. Spare us.

    Un
    Yea that’s the one, had a text off my pal Emery and he’s raging we might be in for Zaha this summer. Bring him back I say.

  82. Radio Raheem

    Won’t it be great if our super agent dropped us the new Tevez and Mascherano (but without the complex ownership crap).

  83. Radio Raheem

    “George Lewis seems more like a PR signing.
    Rwandan and everything.”

    In which he has already earned his keep.

  84. Fortune

    We don’t have to spend Obscene amounts to get right quality. Ferran for 20M+ is amazing business. We absolutely must stop this Coutinho business.

    There are gems out there, we only need to look. Emi Buendia, Mounir Chouiar, we could test the waters for Odegaard let’s see if Madrid would bulge.

  85. Un na naai

    Un
    Yea that’s the one, had a text off my pal Emery and he’s raging we might be in for Zaha this summer. Bring him back I say.

    🤣
    Well you must be pleased we are being linked with zaha again anyway so you might get your man

  86. Champagne Charlie

    “Charlie uses zaha being at palace to justify his numbers but then claims Pepe should be emulating slays and mane.“

    Good grief, it’s pointless I swear.

  87. Un na naai

    Champagne CharlieJuly 30, 2020 18:33:19
    “Charlie uses zaha being at palace to justify his numbers but then claims Pepe should be emulating slays and mane.“Good grief, it’s pointless I swear.

    Come now chuck
    If it were pointless you’d not bother. I enjoy the odd debate with you anyway. You never ever concede.

  88. Radio Raheem

    Clichy’s problem was taking over from the best left back of this generation not just the UK, the world. I’ll put Ashley alongside Lahm.

  89. salparadisenyc

    Not sure why some get so personal regarding Pepe, we saw flashes of his potential but overall he was pretty one dimensionally underwhelming.

    Not the kids fault club broke its record on his £72m fee, but let’s not act as if it didn’t happen nor if Spurs payed that much for him we wouldn’t be bantering the shit out them. As it stands he has the look of a £35-£40m player max, not the 5th highest ever transfer into the premier league.

  90. Un na naai

    Calypso

    I’m not comparing their game you simple little man I’m citing perhaps the greatest arsenal player ever taking a year to settle in to prove a point.
    What the fuck are you arguing about here?

  91. The backpass

    “We don’t have to spend Obscene amounts to get right quality. Ferran for 20M+ is amazing business. We absolutely must stop this Coutinho business.”

    You mean the twenty year old winger who wouldn’t be a starter for the next two years.

    We’ve already gotten. Martinelli 6M 19 years.
    Saka from academy, 18/19 years. What we need is someone experienced, not a twenty year old winger not called Sancho.

  92. Radio Raheem

    “Did you guys hear that dick Danny Murphy saying Tierney will never be as good as Robertson? when did he start seeing the future?”

    It’s that star trek head of his. Fucking alien.

  93. Calypso

    Un Na Naai

    It took Bergkamps six games to get his season up and running, where you got one year from is anyone’s guess..I’s keep off the magic mushrooms if I were you.

  94. The backpass

    “Not sure why some get so personal regarding Pepe, we saw flashes of his potential but overall he was pretty one dimensionally underwhelming.”

    I think the argument is that same could be said for Mane and Salah in their first season in the premier league.

  95. salparadisenyc

    Backpass

    Salah signed for Chelsea on £10m transfer fee, Mane to Southamton for £11.5m with that one understands their’s quite likely a developmental phase, when you bust your clubs record and approach leagues highest ever transfer the goal post get moved, pressure added.

    Raul shot for the stars, Pepe was his bridge to the Champions league.

  96. Ishola70

    Dump the Pepe after one season lol

    Arsenal never loan high end players on really big wages.

    If Coutinho were to join on loan it will show just what an influence Kia has at the club as it would be bucking an Arsenal trend.

    History suggests that Coutinho will not be joining the club on loan.

  97. andy1886

    Clichy’s biggest attribute was that he wasn’t Ashley Cole. That’s why the fans gave him more leeway when actually he was something of an early day Mustafi – always in danger of dropping a bollock.

    Anyway, as has been said already no point in arguing over Pepe, he’s a decent player that we paid too much for, nothing new there from and Arsenal perspective.

  98. Ishola70

    Sal

    “Raul shot for the stars, Pepe was his bridge to the Champions league.”

    That’s what’s called a damp squib.

    Pepe the firework fizzled out and never left the ground in relation to CL qualification.

    What a great transfer window it was though last summer wasn’t it.

  99. Ishola70

    andy
    “Clichy’s biggest attribute was that he wasn’t Ashley Cole. That’s why the fans gave him more leeway when actually he was something of an early day Mustafi – always in danger of dropping a bollock.”

    Absolutely correct.

    The over-rating of him by fans when he was at Arsenal was ridiculous.

    They were totally blind and oblivious to his defensive errors which numbered many.

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