Thomas Partey rumours will NOT die (still no money though)

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OUR SUMMER IS GOING TO BE THIS:

ARSENAL OFFER <LESS THAN ASKING PRICE> TO ATLETI

ATLETI SAY NO

ARSENAL OFFER <SLIGHTLY MORE THAN PREVIOUS FAILED BID> TO ATLETI

ATLETI SAY NO

ARSENAL OFFER <SLIGHTLY MORE THAN PREVIOUS FAILED BID> TO ATLETI

… and so on.

It seems that we’ve offered them the deal I suggested a few weeks ago… they get an u20 French midfielder + some money. That is not tickling Simeone.

Remember though, Atleti is in deep shit on the money front. They used one of those fancy lending firms that ‘ease cashflow in football’ to fund a bunch of their deals, now they are drowning in shit. They likely want the £50m because that’ll help ease their €500 million debt burden. They’ll also want to save face, a bit like Palace last season with Zaha (lol).

I have no idea if they’ll do a deal with us, but it might be easier for them than forking out a double-your-salary deal for the Ghanaian.

Talks seem to be gathering pace that Dani Ceballos has no chance under Zidane next season, and he’s believed to be keen to join Arsenal for another year, when it is hoped Arsenal might be able to muster the funds to buy him. That works for me, he’s been a revelation since he returned from the breaks. He’s an all-action player that needs to work on his final ball, but it certainly looks like he could be capable of growing into that role in the double pivot. He might looks quite good next to someone like Partey.

ESR is 20! Happy Birthday, let’s hope he lands some minutes next year, the hopes are VERY high for him.

The Coutinho and Willian rumours continue to stink out the internet, I really think you need to brace for impact there. I think at least one of the players will end up at Arsenal next season. No offence to the player, who I think is decent, but the deal will just double down on two things.

  1. Raul doesn’t learn from his mistakes
  2. Leadership at Arsenal is a touch bland
  3. Raul and Edu do not care one jot that the English press is scrutinising their super-agent best friend deals

Edu really is embarrassing, brought in to be a fine smelling, very handsome, Invincible™-so-he-must-love-us cover to allow Raul to do whatever he pleases. It’s all super disappointing, but I won’t lose too much sleep over it until it happens. THEN I WILL NOT SLEEP AND I WILL RAGE.

David Ornstein says we’ll hear offers for Reiss, Sokratis, Holding, Guen, Torreira, and Mustafi. To be honest, I think we’d listen to offers for most of our players. There aren’t many that are indispensable.

Man, I’m depressing myself out here. A short one today, listen to my LATEST podcast with an actual person this week. Then tomorrow, we start talking FA CUP FINAL WOOO YES HIT ME WITH THE JOY BATON! No, that sounds weird. Inject joy into my veins? No… just, you know, show up tomorrow and we’ll have lovely post for you.

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  1. Un na naai

    If you live in a council house and your mrs gets you a Rolex, you’re excited for the watch but then you can’t eat!!!

    Oooo Pedro
    You let your woke, pc guard down there. You could get yourself cancelled with comments like that.

  2. Un na naai

    Joelson has scored 5 goals in 28 appearances this season for the u23s and made just 4 senior appearances for sporting Lisbon

    I’m not sure this is the kid we really want to be signing right now. Not for £40m not for £13m
    We’ve got enough kids who can play on the left with better numbers

  3. China1

    Pedro makes comments like that whilst claiming to be an oat milk latte drinker

    THIS MAKES ME ANGRY

    But he’s right

  4. Un na naai

    China

    Pedro is a swessex boy. I’ve heard him trying to disguise the accent on his podcast. He’ll never be a real soy boy as much as he tries to fit in at New York

  5. Un na naai

    This on Arteta’s punishment system

    His fines system, an idea used at City, has added some fun to the process of instilling discipline, a principle pillar of Arteta’s managerial approach, policing the dressing room and bringing the group closer together.

    Breaches, such as lateness or phones going off in meetings, come with punishments determined by a spin of the wheel of fortune.

    The chance of being sanctioned is high with penalties including cleaning staff cars, the dressing room or being hit in the pocket with a fine.

    So Ainsley Maitland-Niles, for one, could not believe his luck the first time he had to spin the wheel when he landed on the free pass and escaped a forfeit.

    On another occasion when flight issues delayed Joe Willock’s return from a quick trip to Paris, Arteta insisted he take his teammates out for dinner and foot the bill.

    Arteta is big on discipline as the frozen out Matteo Guendouzi in particular, a notable absentee from the Spaniard’s plans along with Mesut Ozil, will testify

  6. Un na naai

    This on Guendouzi

    Some of Arteta’s players have welcomed his approach when it comes to Guendouzi having grown frustrated with the antics the midfielder was able to get away with under Unai Emery.

    Emery lacked the authority to improve the discipline and standards many felt had been allowed to drift under Arsene Wenger. Arteta has tackled the task head on and led by example.

    He has his ‘non-negotiables’, demands a level of performance and standards of behaviour from everyone across the club.

    He is a stickler for timekeeping. When he has to be somewhere at a certain time, he will be so expects the same from others.

  7. Chris

    I think that’s a fair assessment about the non negotiables. Disciplinary standards had drifted for a while under Wenger and ultimately failed to be improved under Emery. I see nothing wrong with the stance Arteta is taking, having high standards cultivates the high performance environment that we need.

  8. Wasi

    Thiago is a good shout. Just dont know if I’d be willing to buy another injury prone player.

    To build an elite team like Pool’s we need to find players that are robust and dont get injured often.
    Best example is Liverpool’s starting 11. Rarely get injured.
    They even pulled the plug on Fekir at the last moment due to his injury issues.

  9. Un na naai

    Habesha

    Yeah I tend to agree but my point was IF we are going for an experienced play maker in our side then I’d prefer to go for him for 2-3 years than Coutinho for 1. He’s levels above Coutinho

  10. Chris

    Seems as if Sanchez wants the move to Inter to be permanent, but there is the issue of his contract. 2 years still to go and Inter can’t pay the reported £400,000 a week.

    At least there is always someone else worse off!

  11. Habesha Gooner

    un na naai
    Liverpool are fine tuning their team to sustain their recent success with thiago. We on the other hand are trying to build a new midfield. So any player that we buy for a big fee must be 27 and under.

  12. Valentin

    Those of us who suspected that that Joorabchian was using Arsenal’s name to get his client Joelson Fernandes a better deal at Sporting may have been right after all. It is rumoured now that Joelson Fernandes has agreed an extension in principle.

  13. Sid

    Spinning wheels theatrics will not improve mentality,
    we need guys with longstuff so long the can use it to smack the mistakes outta Luiz, mustafinovs, Xhakalson
    Mertesecker with his tiny bean will not toughen the junior team, they need a Sol

  14. China1

    Emery did try to have standards I think but ultimately came across as a wet fish so it didn’t work out

    The image on him constantly playing with his neck whilst grimacing on the sidelines was painful on the eyes

  15. Tom

    Un
    Thiago is levels above Coutinho , in what way exactly?
    Coutinho, the “flop”, who couldn’t nail a spot in Barca’s line up and went to Bayern last season has had 20 goals and 13 assists in 5300 minutes of play over the last two seasons.
    Thiago – 6goals 10 assists in over 6000minutes for Bayern last two seasons.

  16. Un na naai

    Tom and Wasi
    Thiago controls games from the middle. Literally runs the show. The closest thing to xavi in world football. He decides the tempo, he finds the gaps. He’s not a goal scoring assist machine no10, that’s not his game. Coutinho has quality but Thiago is a level above. We do need a no 10. But if Thiago is available I’d have him and spend money on a younger guy in that no10/advanced playmaker role. I think Thiago would suit Arteta’s game plan with deeper midfielders more too.
    That’s my cheeky little take.

    Anyway
    Arteta will know what he wants. Specificity.

  17. Marc

    “Those of us who suspected that that Joorabchian was using Arsenal’s name to get his client Joelson Fernandes a better deal at Sporting may have been right after all. ”

    My God I can’t believe an agent has used the media and another club to get his client a better deal. I mean this could be the start of a very slippery slope as it’s only happened countless times before.

    Good grief – I really wonder about the levels of naivety by some on here. 99.9% of anything reported by the media on football is bullshit, I’m actually shocked when they get something right.

  18. Un na naai

    Tom

    I don’t think 20 goals and 13 assists across two seasons for a world class no10 playing for a side that smashes their league is anything to write home about. Not for the sort of money Barca want for him.

  19. Valentin

    Pedro,

    Technically Paris FC is the historical Parisian club. But trophy wise, Paris FC has no history to talk about. They have spend most of the history in lower league.
    A Bahrain wealth fund has invested in Paris FC with a view reach Ligue 1 and compete in a few years for the title! This is the equivalent of somebody buying Tranmere to challenge Liverpool.
    Either they are deluded or extremely wealthy or maybe both.

  20. Pierre

    Thiago, partey and coutinho / Grealish in midfield would be a dream and transform our midfield which in turn would transform our attack which in turn would transform our defence as we would retain possession to take the pressure off.

  21. Wasi

    Un

    We are looking for a no.10/ someone who will add creativity , goals and assists in the midfield.

    Thiago would be an upgrade on Xhaka/Ceballos pivot , a massive one , but we have to first focus on other positions.

    But thats not the concern right now.
    Just as Depay , Thiago doesn’t solve our problems right now

  22. Hoksilato

    This window is going to be painful…
    I really wish Mikel has a very very clear plan reg. the type of players he wants and sticks to it religiously.
    Given the chaotic environment, he will have to resist a lot of the opportunistic moves that will pop up, etc and we cannot afford to get involved into that approach or we’ll end up with an incoherent squad…AGAIN

  23. Freddie Ljungberg

    Don

    Yeah, 180m for a short term-ish fix of our midfield with no sell on value is just stupid.

    I hope the club is smarter than spending our precious budget on expensive oldies when we have to build dor the future if we want to have any chance of catching up to the top teams in the league and Europe.

    We need to find our own Coutinho, or Partey etc before they’re established names going for a fortune at the back end of their career.
    Doesn’t have to be all 18-19 year olds either that can’t contribute in the here and now.

  24. HighburyLegend

    “This window is going to be painful…”
    @Hoksilato : at last, someone who understand the situation….

    Painful windows are an Arsenal Trademark since a decade.

  25. Marc

    Un

    “But they are 27,28 and 29 years of age.
    A lot of money for not a lot of time”

    Well it wouldn’t be unreasonable to expect 5,4 and 3 years out of them – plenty of time if they are successful.

  26. Marc

    Highbury

    Unfortunately I think this window is going to make some of those previous “painful” windows look like a picnic.

  27. Freddie Ljungberg

    Don

    “Would be a formidable midfield
    But they are 27,28 and 29 years of age.
    A lot of money for not a lot of time”

    Was agreeing with you on this post actually.

  28. GuNZ

    Maybe won’t get a chance again before the FA Cup final so here goes (just to piss off my brother who’s a Chelsea fan):

    Arsenal 3 Chelsea 2

    Even if the trophy is presented on the paddock and not in the royal box.

  29. Graham62

    Ah yes, Mr Kia Joorabchian, a honest and trustworthy human being who helps to milk a system that has become unmanned and corrupt.

    I implore you all to watch his debate with Gary Neville in respect to Carlos Tevez.

    Draw your own conclusions.

    As soon as Joorabchian starts talking about the front line workers, you just know your dealing with a leech of the highest order.

    His way of softening you up.

    Wouldn’t trust him as far as I could throw him.

    Unfortunately, in modern day football, money is king.

  30. DigitalBob

    Still no solid confirmed in-comings or outgoings?

    I guess next week after the final is when we make strides positive or not. An Arsenal team without European football is gonna be a tough self regardless of our “stature” in football in terms of players coming in, but I would have assumed we would have had some firm reports on outgoings.

    I’ll be disappointed if we head into next season with another Ceballos loan and Saliba as our only major changes.

  31. Wasi

    Un

    Even if we were to get Thiago and Szoboslai , it aint fixing our creativity problem right away.
    Nobody knows how much time will Szoboslai require to settle in the Prem. And most probably he wont be able to replicate the numbers he is putting up for Salzburg who are flat track bullies in Austria.
    As for Thiago he will play in the pivot instead of Xhaka. His role would be more of a controller than a creator.

    It all depends on the club and Arteta really.
    If they believe we can make top 4 next season if our creativity problem can be fixed then Coutinho is the man to get.
    If the realistic target Arteta and the club set for next season is a top 6 finish then in that case the likes of Szoboslai and Buendia become more attractive.

  32. HighburyLegend

    Anyone seriously thinks that, if we won the FA Cup, it will change anything for our transfer window ?

    I’m not convinced at all… this trophy is not enough prestigious, or “glamourous”.

    The only way to really mark the minds is to smash them, with a lots of goals.
    Not sure it’s gonna happens…

  33. Sid

    Theres no way diet pep signs Szobozlai,
    1. He has no time to let him develop
    2. No. 1 leads to a safer option like Buendia
    3. His tactics suggest his 1st option is workhorse types over sleek footballers like Partey, Xhakalson

  34. Marc

    Just heard a rumour that we have a clause in Auba’s contract meaning we can extend. Would explain why there was no panic to extend or sell last summer.

  35. Un na naai

    Wasi

    You think Coutinho guarantees creativity from his first game as an arsenal player but Szoboszlai does not?

    Coutinho could take time to settle. To learn the runs of his team mates
    The German and Austrian leagues aren’t too dissimilar from the premier league in terms of style and pace.
    I think Szoboszlai would find his feet quite quickly.
    More than players coming from the French and Spanish leagues

    Either way if you gave me a choice of Szoboszlai or Coutinho this summer then it’s Szoboszlai for me every day, all day

  36. Wasi

    ‘The German and Austrian leagues aren’t too dissimilar from the premier league in terms of style and pace.’

    Mate , seriously 😂.

    The Austrian league is way too slow.
    The Bundesliga is similar to the Premier league a bit. They play a fast, high pressing game in Germany.
    Coutinho is the player with the highest probability of solving our creativity problem right away ( Of the players we are linked with).
    No-one can guarantee nothing , its all a game if probabilities. Coutinho ticks most boxes , especially the Premier league experience one.

  37. andy1886

    Marc, I’ve read about the Auba option somewhere before (possibly on The Athletic). It seems that both sides have agreed that it’s not something that they will exercise. Apparently for the club there is a significant financial penalty and it’s agreed that keeping a player who wanted to leave under those circumstances would be a very bad idea (from Auba’s perspective trying to secure a long term deal a year later would be much harder).

    So forget about that one.

    As for winning the cup you’re 100% correct, the impact on our spending is all about that extra £30m, not about attracting the players.

  38. andy1886

    Marc, here you go:

    Although June 2021 is the official end date of Aubameyang’s deal, The Athletic understands Arsenal did insert a purchase option on an additional year. This technically granted Arsenal the ability to unilaterally extend Aubameyang’s deal by a further 12 months, if they meet certain financial conditions.

    There was an agreement that activating this clause suited nobody’s purposes. For Arsenal, the financial conditions would have been punishing. For Aubameyang, this summer is the right time to sign a deal that will offer him a degree of security in the latter stages of his career. He’ll require a contract that lasts several years, not a 12-month extension.

    The clause has effectively been deemed redundant: there is a recognition that you do not hold a player or person of Aubameyang’s standing against their will. If an agreement is found, it will be a mutual decision.

  39. Samir

    I’m wondering now why don’t we go for Ruben Neves instead of Partey?

    Neves is 23, Partey 27.
    Neves has PL experience, great at sniffing out danger, creative, can score free kicks and long distance shots.
    Buying Neves would make a competitor weaker.

    Probably the same price as Partey too?

  40. Habesha Gooner

    Gabriel Magalhaes is being pursued by Napoli, PSG and United. So no chance there. Axel Disasi is our best bet now. Rumors Ake is on his way to city. They also completed the deal for ferran Torres. All teams Are moving. We need to start making moves after the cup final.

  41. Countryboy

    Don’t know why people are talking about Thiago.

    Won’t happen.

    Szo, Buendia, Coutinho, Partey might happen for various reasons.

    Just hope the hierarchy recognize that short term fixes like Coutinho are what got us into this situation.

    FYI, Partey is a short term fix too. You will only get 2 seasons max from him. He’s 30+.

  42. CazOnARola

    The modern game is about fitness now more than ever.

    Coutinho is unique in terms of his defensive and offensive abilities.. A perfect fit for Liverpool ‘s style and possibly the style everyone is trying to emulate.

    Players who are fit and quick over 2 yards have become an absolute necessity these days.

    Thiago the better all round player, Coutinho the more modern and more suited to current game requirements.

    He doesn’t fit in at barca, because barca is still playing possession based football, even if it is not tiki taka, it is still tweaked tiki taka.

    I’d take Coutinho if arteta plans to play 4-3-3, but that would need a lot of upgrades to defense.

    Thiago will suit better in a 5-2-3 but his injury record means i would steer clear.

  43. andy1886

    “Coutinho is unique in terms of his defensive and offensive abilities.. A perfect fit for Liverpool ‘s style and possibly the style everyone is trying to emulate.”

    Really??

    They’ve changed since they sold him and it’s been said were given first refusal to take him back at a much lower price. That they were not interested suggests that Jurgen doesn’t agree with your assessment.

  44. andy1886

    Wasi, my information is that he has a 43 y.o. son and an honorable discharge after serving in Vietnam….

    And carries a VAT tariff of 98%.

  45. Leedsgunner

    Werner, Ziyech, Pulisic, Ake…

    Chelsea not messing around and signing players to address their weaknesses whilst we just look on.

    I’m so glad we moved into Emirates aren’t you?

    We were utterly had by Gazidas.

  46. Un na naai

    Wasi

    Ok the Austrian league to a lesser extent but it’s a fast combative Northern European league
    Anyway if you’re good you’re good. Santi wouldn’t be the guy you’d expect to settle straight away and look at him. He was born to play in the premier.m league

  47. Leedsgunner

    I understand we can’t easily buy our targets… we should be at least busy selling our fringe players…

    It’s a sign of incompetence that Mkhitaryan wasn’t able to sold even for a small fee. What’s Elneny, Sokratis and Özil still here? Time for Raul to show why he was worth appointing.

  48. Uwot?

    Don’t want Thiago.heard he’s a bit of a c**t..In fact as ex Barca.he has to be.My take on any transfers most likely to be outside of any sales we make( if any) which could change the picture is:Axel Disasi,The Boz, & Marco Roca.Tha lot is for around £50 million mark.

  49. HighburyLegend

    Big Boys already started their transfer window.

    If you ask “why don’t we ??”, then fuck off, this is an Arsenal tradition, period.

  50. Freddie Ljungberg

    On Gabriel:

    “The fee is around €22m (£19.9m) with bonuses of another €3m or so”

    Absolute bargain at that price, and left footed too so Arteta would be happy.

    There’s a bit of competition for him but he’s guaranteed a starting place for us which would probably help.

    Saliba -Gabriel -Tierney is 3/4 of a future world class defence.

  51. andy1886

    Agent confirms that there is almost no chance of ridding ourselves of his client and his crippling salary for another year…

    “Mesut Ozil will not leave Arsenal in the summer transfer window but there’s a high chance he will depart next year, according to his agent.

    The German playmaker has failed to make an appearance since the Premier League restart, leading to speculation his Arsenal career is all but over – and he will be one of the players likely to be earmarked as a transfer away from the club.

    Reports have claimed that Ozil – who was again left out of the Gunners squad for their 3-2 win over Watford – is said to be keen to leave at the end of his £350,000-per-week contract next season.

    And Mikel Arteta reportedly wants to sell him this summer, if the right buyer can be found – but Ozil’s agent Erkut Sogut has dismissed any notion he will leave before next campaign.

    “I do not think there will be a change in the case of Mesut Ozil until the summer of 2021,” Sogut told Turkish outlet Fanatik. “He has a contract. There is no change. He will remain with Arsenal.”

    On the possibility he could depart next year following links with Fenerbahce, Sogut added: “There’s a 90 per cent chance he will leave Arsenal in 2021. Mesut to Asia, America or Turkey? Yes, maybe.”

  52. Freddie Ljungberg

    “There’s a 90 per cent chance he will leave Arsenal in 2021”

    What’s the remaining 10% then if not him leaving this summer? There’s a bigger chance of him spontaneously combusting or getting hit by lightning on a clear day than getting a new contract. Get Kia on the case.

  53. Leedsgunner

    Between Arshavin and Özil alone we’ve spent near to £200m on wages and transfer fees by the time they are done sucking the club dry.

    Özil has taken over the mantle from Abou Diaby as the world’s most expensive gym goer.

    That’s not even counting Abou Diaby and Jack Wilshere…

    The powers that be at Arsenal FC elevate not learning from one’s mistakes into an art form.

  54. Habesha Gooner

    The only way to get ourselves of the Ozil contract is to pay him half and tell him to walk for free. If not tell him he will sit out the season with no training. Let him go on a holiday for the whole year. I can’t believe I am starting to dislike a player I adored so much.

  55. HighburyLegend

    ““There’s a 90 per cent chance he will leave Arsenal in 2021””

    Who ?? Stan K. ??
    No ?? Then who cares ??

  56. Habesha Gooner

    The only way to get ourselves out of the Ozil contract is to pay him half and tell him to walk for free. If not tell him he will sit out the season with no training. Let him go on a holiday for the whole year. I can’t believe I am starting to dislike a player I adored so much.

  57. Jamie

    If anyone needed convincing that Ozil is a cunt of the highest order, that’s it.

    Happy to sit on his ass and rinse the club for another £20m knowing he’s lower in the pecking order than youth players. No professional pride/integrity.

  58. Dissenter

    Why would Ozil care about sitting in the bench?
    It’s not like he’s trying to get selected for the German National team is something.

  59. NEEG

    Basaksehir want Ozil but their request that AFC still pay a large percentage of Ozil’s wages has stalled discussions.

  60. london gunner

    People might think Ake is shit but I expect him to be a very good signing for City always rated him

  61. Trap

    Coutinho a Brazilian international who’s played for inter, Liverpool ,Barca and Bayern (all top level teams) would take time to settle more than a 20 year old Hungarian rookie from the austian league ?

  62. HighburyLegend

    @london : it’s a question of logic, the very good players always sign for other teams than Arsenal.

    But why the fuck do you have Brenda as your avatar ???)

  63. Marko

    Yeah Ozils agent’s comments are really concerning but what do you expect they’re both cunts of the highest order. Someone should tell the agent though that there’s more potential for a payday for himself in a transfer and who knows a year from now Ozil interest could be less he could be injured he could be fat he could say something stupid in football you never know. Anyway I hope it’s eye opening for some what type of footballer and person Ozil truly is

  64. Dissenter

    This Coutinho talk is the quintessential sugar high short-termism that has bedeviled this club.
    Does anyone really think he takes us over the hump to the top 4 next season?
    I would rather get the Hungarian kid and finish top 6 next season while he settles in than splurge out big money on Coutinho for one season so that we can finish 5th.

  65. Dissenter

    Unai
    There are good Turkish players out there. . We resigned a German international with high marketability and instead got a sulking admirer of a despot. It’s Ozil, not the Turkish angle.
    Wouldn’t you have like to have Soyuncu in your squad this season.

  66. Batistuta

    The target is still top 4 for next season though, starting to see folks keep going on about 5th/6th or stuff like that. Arteta would have had half a season, a pre season and hopefully some incomings so top4 is the actual target next season

  67. Uwot?

    Yeah Freddie Gabriel would be a v.smart move.considering the reasonable price.But I expect the cheap as chips option as per usual hence I mentioned Axel.would be very happy with The Boz & Rocky coming in.if were not having a Partey( which looks the case)

  68. Marko

    Bati top 4 is always the target always. The lowering of expectations is certain people trying to cover both ends and themselves if we fail. Now granted depending on the way we miss out it shouldn’t mean an automatic sacking of Mikel. The most important indicator of him is going to be this summer and who we bring in imo

  69. salparadisenyc

    Agree w/ you there Dissenter we should be looking more long term than Coutinho which then begs the question is our crew capable of doing that.

    His goals would be so welcome, astronomical wage not really, its the kind of move that if comes off looks genius if not total mare. But nobody should raising their nose at Coutinho w/ MF options we have at moment.

  70. Wasi

    I dont understand why Lille would allow Gabriel to leave for 20mil when there’s ManU , Napoli , PSg , Everton , Arsenal circling around and they know they can still good money for talent ( Osimhen)

  71. Champagne Charlie

    Can people qualify this “long term” chat as they see it?

    Because we’ve not been in the CL for 4 years and missed the mark worst last season.

    Are some of you really that numb to the current needs of the team for next season?

  72. Uwot?

    Of course outside of Gabriel the other option is Malang Sarr a freebie.Which means he jumps to the head of the queue straight away……

  73. Batistuta

    Charlie

    I also can’t seem to understand the whole long term chatter. Football clubs can do both short term and long term deals i believe. Not saying fill the squad with 29/30 yr olds but we have a pretty young squad already especially in key areas like midfield, we should be able to do both long and short term deals too to make sure we don’t drift so much farther away from the rest while giving youngsters who need 2/3 years to adjust most times

  74. Batistuta

    Marko

    Yea as long as we can get some handy players to add to the structure the manager seems to already be building, then top4 has to be the target. It was when we spent 70 million a couple of summers ago and should still be now

  75. Habesha Gooner

    I expect Us to sign a CAM and ESR to be his understudy. Ozil will Go or rot till we have an injury crisis. One or both of Torriera and Guendouzi will go. If they do We will go for two DMs, Ceballos on loan to compete with Xhaka. There is also a CB crisis. Signing Sarr is a cheap option but it will allow us to sell Kolasinac if there are any takers. He can Cover CB positions and Tierneys for a few months.

  76. Trap

    CC

    We are going into the 3rd season of our supposed rebuild and we haven’t even started making any serious strides,The manager has alluded to wanting to get back into the ucl as soon as possible, but some fans would rather we become Dortmund a selling club(no resale value this,he’s too old) well knowing we aren’t in Germany were it’s Bayern and Dortmund then the rest, this is arsenal ffs, in the epl against Mancity,manutd, Liverpool, Chelsea ?

  77. Nelson

    “It’s about time we take some risks with ESR. He is a CM, and couldn’t be worse than Willock.”

    I also like ESR more than Willock. Up to now, Willock appears to be just a runner while ESR is a player.

  78. Marko

    Yeah I also don’t get how someone can throw it in managements face with regards to thinking about or signing long term considering in the last season we’ve signed up highly rated teens and players in their early 20’s and also our manager is fresh of the teet so I don’t get it. Oh no they signed up Luiz who’s 30+ let’s just disregard all the kids we also bought.

  79. salparadisenyc

    If were taking Ozil last year of wage and putting it into Coutinho on loan, I say go for it, but to bring him in on a long term deal with transfer fee is silly risk.

  80. Freddie Ljungberg

    The age thing isn’t only about resale value, it’s how many years we get out of a player.

    If we’re paying top money for someone it’s nice to get more than 4-5 years out of them and then get 0 when they leave and we have to replace.

    We simply don’t have the budget to operate like that, especially with the squad still needing so many upgrades after 2 years of rebuild.

  81. DigitalBob

    Coutinho and Ozil on the books for over half a million a week, and for a team that is at the moment firmly outside the top 4. Crazy, just crazy.

    In regards to Ozil, I think if he’s told by arteta to stay away from the first team for a year he’d happily do it and expand on his gaming/fortnite shit and philanthropy for 12 months. we are stuck with him till 2021 for sure.

  82. Habesha Gooner

    It’s not that I don’t want to have coutinho. We aren’t building a team with him. He would improve us but we could get a better deal with a permanent player. We need to start building a top 4 team first. Loaning both Ceballos and Coutinho at the same time will live a huge hole the next season. And Coutinho costs huge wages that we can put towards a good player. For Example, Buendia is rumored to cost between 15 and 20 mil. He is on 8 k a week at Norwich. 50k a week for the season would see him at 2.4 mil in wages and 20 mil transfer fee. Coutinhos loan would cost 7 mil in loan fee and 13 mil in wages. That means we could have Buendia for the next 5 years with room to grow with a similar fee for the first year with the coutinho loan. Szoboszlai is in the same boat and he is 19. That’s my thinking behind it anyway.

  83. Gbat

    I don’t see Malang Sarr really improving us. Unless it’s to replace Kolasinac. But not as our main cb. Not good enough in the air or in the tackle.

    Zagadou, Gimenez, Dias, Kimbempe, Djiku, Godfrey are interesting options numbers wise.

  84. salparadisenyc

    Marko

    Not saying Coutinho will ever turn into the waster Ozil has become, but theres a pretty decent example of the potential pitfalls of putting Coutinho on long term big money deal.

    Grealish is the kind of madness i’d be up for.

  85. Marko

    I mean it’s a loan that’s being talked about with regards to Coutinho so the pitfalls of a long term deal don’t apply. Hey look I get it I’ve got some preferences that happen to be younger but I wouldn’t turn my nose up at Coutinho and I also wouldn’t dismiss his quality as of right now a quality we’re severely lacking might I add. Unless of course your objection to the deal is Kia related?

  86. Champagne Charlie

    “The age thing isn’t only about resale value, it’s how many years we get out of a player.“

    David Silva still playing at 34
    Fernandinho still playing at 35
    Aguero at 32
    Willian 31 (new deal offered)
    Pedro 33
    Aubameyang 31 (new deal offered)

    Is 4/5 years not value suddenly because 7/8 is better?

    We’ve finished 5th and won the FA cup, slumped to 6th and had banners over head, sacked and hired a manager that finished 5th and got us to the EL final, then sacked and hired the next manager that’s starting his first season this upcoming one.

    4 years is a fucking long time in football.

  87. Dissenter

    CC
    Gone are the days when you demanded to see an over-arching plan to get us back to competing. Now, it seems you are all about the next season.
    Do you sincerely think Coutinho gets us over the hump to the top 4 next season? Do you think he can do enough to drag us past Chelsea and/or United bearing in mind we are likely to have a limited budget for the summer?

    This is why some are arguing for the bigger picture.
    If he’s not going to be enough, then invest in a younger player with a high ceiling on a permanently transfer. Let that player use next season to settle in, since the 4th-7th position is where we are headed anyway.

  88. Dissenter

    We also need to suspend buying squad players. The emphasis should be on signing guaranteed or highly probable starters on long term contracts, not loans.
    Scout them for the their current level of performance, improvement potential and character.
    Stop these freaking loans. At some point we will discover that we’ve become a shop window for other clubs to display their unwanted players. The model we are operating is unsustainable.

  89. andy1886

    CC – I suspect the lack of resale value is key. Until we get back onto the CL gravy train we’ll be trying to buy cheap and sell on for a profit. Of course that’s a kind of catch 22 situation but I guess Wenger used to do it so the expectation is we can go back to that model again.

    And before CG goes on about ‘his Wenger’ again I’d add in his latter days Wenger was buying expensive rubbish that we now can’t even give away.

  90. Valentin

    ESR needs to spend another year on loan before being close to Arsenal first team. Whenever he is put under pressure he disappear. If he already struggled on that aspect in lower leagues games, he is not going to dominate midfield in the premiership.
    At Huddersfield, he has had a few games where he was anonymous and substituted. If Arsenal is serious about competing for top 4, Arsenal does not have the luxury to have him learn the position.

  91. Champagne Charlie

    “Gone are the days when you demanded to see an over-arching plan to get us back to competing. Now, it seems you are all about the next season.“

    Only a pleb argues that it’s one thing or another so do spare me the silly bugger stuff.

    Have a look at our signings from the last two summers, tell me the emphasis.

    Now explain to me that the following midfield needs a talent/project in it:

    Ozil 31 (gone)
    Xhaka 27
    Torreira 23 (going)
    Ceballos 23
    Guendouzi 21 (going)
    Willock 20
    ESR 20

  92. Steveyg87

    Every arsenal thread I read, somebody mentions Coutinho, FFS!!!! Supporting Arsenal really tests you as a human being sometimes

  93. Steveyg87

    We need bastards not glamour players, Partey is about as close to the Alex Song/Yaya toure kinda players we have been craving for how long. Make it happen Arteta!!!

  94. Steveyg87

    “Grealish is the kind of madness i’d be up for.”

    Massive gamble but could work out well for us like Fernandes did at United

  95. China1

    Highbury apparently we earned about 30m from the EL last season, so there’s every reason to think if we qualify for it our financial situation will be marginally more optimistic

    People always seem to think only the CL brings in the cash but the EL is a small financial boost as well

  96. CG

    Andy

    “””””And before CG goes on about ‘his Wenger’ again I’d add in his latter days Wenger was buying expensive rubbish that we now can’t even give away.””””””

    by Wengers immaculate standards- you could call them rubbish: thats not unreasonable comment.

    But Xhaka, Laca, Mustafi ARE still 3 of our our better players.
    And they will still be lynch-pins next season.

    With clubs from Brighton to Bayern already formulating plans for next season and recruiting – Arsenal under Stan are as clueless and aimless as ever.

    You will all learn ( if you have not done so already)- our Wenger managed Arsenal as well as anyone possibly can under KSE.

    because if he can’t satisfactorily, no one can.

    t.h.

  97. salparadisenyc

    Marko

    I literally said out of the gate we shouldn’t be putting our nose up at Coutinho w/ midfield options we have.

    In the end the club is in the place it is from years of shit recruitment, enabling multiple egos ahead of what’s best overall for the club. We’re now into the fail safe of really falling off if we don’t get it right and claw back up the table. Last summer was a massive dive roll as well.

  98. Habesha Gooner

    Jamie
    Lucky us though. I was so not looking forward to another Arab country funded club. And Newcastle do have History. We didn’t need another competition at the top.

  99. Gonsterous

    News out that ozils agent is saying he is going no where this season, and apparently arteta is demanding we sign coutinho.
    Jesus it’s like a double fk you to my face. It’s hard being an arsenal fan.

  100. Un na naai

    Champagne CharlieJuly 30, 2020 12:49:57
    Can people qualify this “long term” chat as they see it?Because we’ve not been in the CL for 4 years and missed the mark worst last season. Are some of you really that numb to the current needs of the team for next season?

    Charlie
    Can’t think of many great players who joined their club at 28 (Outside goal keepers) and excelled in the premier league.
    When talking long term we are talking buying at 21-26
    Think Henry, Vieira, Pires, Freddie, Cashely, Campbell, Rooney, Ronaldo, Silva, Aguero, Lampard, Terry, Drogba, Keane, RvP, Cesc, VVD, Mane, Firminho, Carrick, Ferdinand, Shearer, Kompany, Torres, Sterling, Suarez

    All time premier league greats at their clubs

    All bought in young. That’s not to say that the odd one doesn’t slip through the net but they generally tail off pretty quickly. Especially attacking players. RvP and Berbatov both went down hill pretty quickly at around 28,29
    So did Alexis Sanchez
    So did Torres
    So did Mesut Ozil.
    So did Cesc and Vieira. So did many of the above players.

    That’s why it’s better to get players in their prime. So you get their best years.
    It’s less likely that Coutinho will give you that at 28/29 than grealish or Szoboszlai.

  101. MidwestGun

    Cleary, y’all haven’t heard of the new position created at the Club, Player Gaming Liaison. It’s important that we have an expert player consultant for all the indoor time due to Covid. No amount of money is too high to spend for creating a stress free environment where players can do fuck all and play some Fortnite.. I think you will agree mental health matters. I think we should all congratulate Ozil in his new role.

  102. Graham62

    I see the Saudi Arabian-backed consortium or, should I say, the Saudi Arabian government, have pulled out of the takeover of Newcastle United.

    What a shame.