Thomas Partey rumours will NOT die (still no money though)

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OUR SUMMER IS GOING TO BE THIS:

ARSENAL OFFER <LESS THAN ASKING PRICE> TO ATLETI

ATLETI SAY NO

ARSENAL OFFER <SLIGHTLY MORE THAN PREVIOUS FAILED BID> TO ATLETI

ATLETI SAY NO

ARSENAL OFFER <SLIGHTLY MORE THAN PREVIOUS FAILED BID> TO ATLETI

… and so on.

It seems that we’ve offered them the deal I suggested a few weeks ago… they get an u20 French midfielder + some money. That is not tickling Simeone.

Remember though, Atleti is in deep shit on the money front. They used one of those fancy lending firms that ‘ease cashflow in football’ to fund a bunch of their deals, now they are drowning in shit. They likely want the £50m because that’ll help ease their €500 million debt burden. They’ll also want to save face, a bit like Palace last season with Zaha (lol).

I have no idea if they’ll do a deal with us, but it might be easier for them than forking out a double-your-salary deal for the Ghanaian.

Talks seem to be gathering pace that Dani Ceballos has no chance under Zidane next season, and he’s believed to be keen to join Arsenal for another year, when it is hoped Arsenal might be able to muster the funds to buy him. That works for me, he’s been a revelation since he returned from the breaks. He’s an all-action player that needs to work on his final ball, but it certainly looks like he could be capable of growing into that role in the double pivot. He might looks quite good next to someone like Partey.

ESR is 20! Happy Birthday, let’s hope he lands some minutes next year, the hopes are VERY high for him.

The Coutinho and Willian rumours continue to stink out the internet, I really think you need to brace for impact there. I think at least one of the players will end up at Arsenal next season. No offence to the player, who I think is decent, but the deal will just double down on two things.

  1. Raul doesn’t learn from his mistakes
  2. Leadership at Arsenal is a touch bland
  3. Raul and Edu do not care one jot that the English press is scrutinising their super-agent best friend deals

Edu really is embarrassing, brought in to be a fine smelling, very handsome, Invincible™-so-he-must-love-us cover to allow Raul to do whatever he pleases. It’s all super disappointing, but I won’t lose too much sleep over it until it happens. THEN I WILL NOT SLEEP AND I WILL RAGE.

David Ornstein says we’ll hear offers for Reiss, Sokratis, Holding, Guen, Torreira, and Mustafi. To be honest, I think we’d listen to offers for most of our players. There aren’t many that are indispensable.

Man, I’m depressing myself out here. A short one today, listen to my LATEST podcast with an actual person this week. Then tomorrow, we start talking FA CUP FINAL WOOO YES HIT ME WITH THE JOY BATON! No, that sounds weird. Inject joy into my veins? No… just, you know, show up tomorrow and we’ll have lovely post for you.

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  1. mb

    CkuntryBoy – couldn’t agree more. I have never seen Buendia play and Thomas is still fine to some extent but taking Coutinho doesn’t make sense. He may shine at Arsenal but it’s a year at loan.

    We are not fighting in Champions League. There is no short term target. What benefit it would do to get Cou on loan for an year and paying shit load of money?

  2. Countryboy

    mb

    Seen Buendia, I am telling you, he is what we are missing.

    Close control, switches play effortlessly and cool in tight spaces.

    And he is 23. The only way is up.

  3. Hoksilato

    Countryboy

    Sao plays in RB Salzburg… i think we’ll have to shoot Matteo dead before being able to ship him to Salzburg 🙂

  4. Gentlebris

    ‘Instead of the Audi options-
    Coutinho
    Partey
    We can do with the Honda options
    Beundia
    Perreira’

    Chelsea, meanwhile, are doing the Bentley options. Man City always Ferrari and Liverpool go BMW these days.

    How are we gonna compete at the same uptown party with our Honda?

  5. The backpass

    Andy

    “So that’s three seasons or so in the history of the club. And around the English game the creative #10 has been something of a flash in the pan too. Popular when sides were using a single striker but now more or less a redundant luxury.Every single league title we have won was without an Ozil or Coutinho style #10.”

    Except coutinho would be playing as a left Sided midfield (LCM), he played there for liverpool and ceballos would be on the right side.

    People are asking for Szobozolai and he plays the same spot where Coutinho would play LCM or occasional LM.

    Creative 10 like David Silva you mean?

    Who also plays as a LCM, again the same spot Coutinho would play.

    Hardly would you ever find coutinho operate in the right side of the midfield, his zone is always the left.

    We’ve been playing rubbish football for 5years now with an occasional 1 or 2 “Arsenal way”.

    Benrahma is such a Joy to watch.

  6. Samir

    All we really need at Arsenal is Kroenke out.
    Does he not understand his asset is depreciating? Putting money into Arsenal right now and getting us competing again will make him more money long term.

  7. Valentin

    I don’t understand that clamour for No10. It has never been very popular in UK anyway. And now even on the continent most team don’t play with No10 anymore.

    Even when Mikel Arteta was playing Özil, he did not used him as a standard No10. His team was lopsided, with Xhaka on the left to help out Saka on the left, AMN tucked in from right back into slightly right midfield. Özil was playing deeper and off center than a standard No10 on the right to compensate for Pepe not really defending.

    So Arteta is unlikely to want a No10. Anyway, the pursuit of Party as his first target should make clear that Arteta is looking for an agile, quick No8 and not a No10.

    Countinho is a pure No10, so it does not make sense to pursue him. That is not an indictment of the player. He is quality, just not in the position that we need.

  8. Gentlebris

    ‘Edu really is embarrassing, brought in to be a fine smelling, very handsome, Invincible™-so-he-must-love-us cover to allow Raul to do whatever he pleases. It’s all super disappointing, but I won’t lose too much sleep over it until it happens. ‘

    Sir P!

    Of course you remember that your sauce theory started with Edu before being injected into the Mikel debate don’t you?

    See how badly sauce could go wrong?

  9. Words on a Blog

    I think the key word with respect to any forthcoming was used a few times by Arteta in his pre match and post match interviews: “SPECIFICITY.”.

    Arteta wants particular types of players fulfilling particular functions in terms of creativity, pressing , pace and power, use of space, dribbling ability, etc etc. And he has a set of very defined characteristics in mind. For each position/set of characteristics he/Edu has in mind, there will be 3-4 players ranked in order of preference/cost.

    Who we get (if any) will depend on finances (e.g. whether We get into the Europa via winning Fa Cup) and Raul/Huss Fahmy’s deal making ability in terms of shifting players out reasonably profitably, and getting players in at a reasonable cost.

    It doesn’t matter if Champagne Charlie or Un is right about whether Coutinho or A.N. Other is worth it. If Arteta really does want him for footbalistic reasons and there’s a (reasonable) deal to be made, he’s in. Otherwise fuhgeddaboudit.

    Patience. Let’s wait and see who’s coming or going before pontificating.

  10. The backpass

    Valentin

    “Even when Mikel Arteta was playing Özil, he did not used him as a standard No10. His team was lopsided, with Xhaka on the left to help out Saka on the left, AMN tucked in from right back into slightly right midfield. Özil was playing deeper and off center than a standard No10 on the right to compensate for Pepe not really defending.”

    Its always Pepe for you right… Not that immediately Arteta came we were playing similar to how City were playing with Mahrez on the wing, Debruyne close and Walker tucking into the midfield.

    You didn’t talk of how Arteta was basically Hiding Xhaka as a left back.

  11. The backpass

    Coutinho hardly enters the right Midfield zone, always the left.. Ceballos would take the right midfield and Partey at the base, and if not Coutinho then Szobozlai would do, the same thing minus the dribble.

    Cazorla initially played as a 10 when he first came to Arsenal.

  12. andy1886

    Backpass, we couldn’t play like that, our 3-5-2 could only accommodate a #10 playing in the hole behind two strikers.

    If we play with wing backs and two attacking midfielders we’d need two DM’s and have to play with one striker. Given our midfield options we’d get overrun in the middle of the park

    If you’re suggesting a 4-3-3 with full backs, one DM and two wide attacking MF players we’d get absolutely slaughtered down the spine. Just Xhaka in front of two suspect CB’s.

    Sorry, I just don’t see how that would work.

  13. Gentlebris

    Most Arsenal supporters are a case.

    You rely on Ceballos for creativity and you are gonna sneer at the prospect of bringing in Coutinho?

    The things that are written here.

  14. Marc

    Un

    Come on mate you know the rules on here –

    signing looks good or works out = it was Mislintat or soon to be Arteta

    signing looks bad or doesn’t work out = IT WAS SANLLEHI

  15. Valentin

    Backpass,

    Mikel Arteta gave that exact same explanation after a game. He wanted Saka higher up the pitch more like a left winger and Aubameyang closer to the striker. He moved Xhaka to the left to cover Saka. That in term created an void in the middle of the midfield. In order to void it, he then ask AMN to play higher up and tucked in.
    That meant that the right winger had more space to defend which Pepe did not. So to cover that extra space without asking him to drop deeper, Özil was tasked to drop deeper and on the right.

    Those were Arteta decisions and he explained them at the end of a game. That has nothing with my own opinion of Saka, Xhaka, Özil and Pepe.

  16. The backpass

    Andy
    “Backpass, we couldn’t play like that, our 3-5-2 could only accommodate a #10 playing in the hole behind two strikers. If we play with wing backs and two attacking midfielders we’d need two DM’s and have to play with one striker. Given our midfield options we’d get overrun in the middle of the parkIf you’re suggesting a 4-3-3 with full backs, one DM and two wide attacking MF players we’d get absolutely slaughtered down the spine. Just Xhaka in front of two suspect CB’s.Sorry, I just don’t see how that would work.”

    I doubt Arteta would play a 3 man defense when he has a Left sided Defender.. Arteta’s preference IMO is 433.

    I think you are missing the fact that we are after Partey. Partey effectively sends Xhaka to the shadow realm.

    Party is one man recking ball, very similar to fernadinho. Top 3 highest ball progressing midfielder in laliga behind Toni kroos.

    Something like this,

    Coutinho/ szobozlai. Ceballos

    Partey

    This is why the links to Partey or Danillo makes sense.

  17. andy1886

    Un, nope, DB10 was a striker. Nothing like Ozil or Coutinho (I knew you’d bring that up, we’ve had that discussion before).

    If you don’t believe me perhaps you’d believe the man himself, he’s always said that he considered himself a striker.

    Dennis was what was traditionally called a second striker. Neither MO or PC are anything like Dennis. Not even close. The man offered a goal threat, had the sort of power that those two could only dream of, and he was a hard b*stard too, played with an edge.

    I first saw DB10 in a WC qualifier at Wembley in ’93, and then all the way through to his testimonial game and can honestly say that are simply not comparable.

  18. Pierre

    Un
    Maybe we all imagined that Bergkamp was the archetypal no.10.

    To be honest I think Andy is just desperate to convince everyone that the no.10 is obsolete and previously had no real influence in games.

  19. The backpass

    Valentin

    “Backpass,Mikel Arteta gave that exact same explanation after a game. He wanted Saka higher up the pitch more like a left winger and Aubameyang closer to the striker. He moved Xhaka to the left to cover Saka. That in term created an void in the middle of the midfield. In order to void it, he then ask AMN to play higher up and tucked in.
    That meant that the right winger had more space to defend which Pepe did not. So to cover that extra space without asking him to drop deeper, Özil was tasked to drop deeper and on the right.”

    Except, we still played the same way when Kolasinac started the next match against Chelsea before going off injured.

    Same way till our Last match against Westham.

  20. andy1886

    Backpass, the problem with that is you’re talking about £20m loan for Coutinho, £50m on Partey, plus another £10m to extend Ceballos. I can’t see us spending £80m with two of those players being loanees for a year.

    I agree though that we need an AM plus a dominant central midfielder. One without the other is only doing half a job.

  21. The backpass

    Andy

    “I agree though that we need an AM plus a dominant central midfielder. One without the other is only doing half a job.”

    Exactly, and if we get Szobozlai instead, then its fine.

    I’ll be happy with Szobozlai/Coutinho and Partey and leave the defense like this depending on sales at the back.

    If laca leaves, get benrahma for £30 million.

  22. Marc

    Un

    Sanllehi was epic last summer, Pepe – marquee signing get the fans juices going, Tierney – going to be one of the top LB’s playing in the PL, Saliba – top rated young CB with a really high ceiling, Martinelli – live wire young player going to be electric, Ceballos – was rubbish now half in here are bitching that we didn’t nail done a purchase price.

    It was the best TW we’ve seen for years.

  23. Marc

    Sorry are we talking “real world” or are we talking “Football Manager” with the signings people are talking about on here?

  24. Zacharse

    Coutinho can do more than play in CM its true he doesnt start on the right but he is right footed if i remember right which means in a pinch putting him in at right wing isnt like putting ceballos there, probably a step up from pepe/nelson whoever else is playing out there anyway. Saka is still so young you cant rely on him the way you can a vet.

    My point with all of this is i disagree w current project youth/dortmund 2.0 philosphy pedros talking about. We need guys over the age of 26, preferably a bit older, who will come for the right reasons. Ie arteta making a decision on a vet is not going to turn out like emery signing lichsteiner. I thought lichsteiner would be a great presence in that dressing room but if ye manager is emery good luck. Hes gonna kill the vibe anytime he enters the fkn room

  25. The backpass

    Marc

    “Sorry are we talking “real world” or are we talking “Football Manager” with the signings people are talking about on here?”

    Am guessing this is addressed to me, so let me bite.

    We are definitely getting Partey or Danillo

    Coutinho on loan

    And if we sell Lacazette for 30-35 million, we can then use that to buy Benhrama… Chelsea were quoted £25 million in January.

    I doubt Partey, Coutinho on loan and Benrahma( if Lacazette gets sold) is Football manager stuff.

    Honestly, what do you think we will do?

  26. Zacharse

    My feeling is that D Luiz has been at the center of our worst and beat moments. Hes a lightning rod and has it in him, as a defender, to decide a game. He did it many times at chelsea. We need a few more lightning rods even if they have a few errors and reds in them and they’re past their prime. Who can argue with that after all these spineless years????
    Just my take i guess

  27. Marc

    backpass

    No wasn’t directed at you specifically – just people are arguing over big sums when I really don’t think we have a pot to piss in and we could be looking at sales to balance the books.

    I’d love to be wrong though!

  28. andy1886

    Sorry Un, can’t agree. The guy scored over 200 career goals and a rate of better than a goal every three games.

    Coutinho is in his peak and scores fewer than one in four, and that will decline in the latter stages of his career just as Dennis’ scoring rate did.

    Ozil isn’t even remotely a striker, is as robust as a limp lettuce, and has all the determination of a two year old. If Pierre thinks he’s anything like DB10 that says more about his understanding of the game than anything insulting I could come up with.

    Which is why almost nobody in the PL plays with a player like Ozil (including Arsenal).

  29. Zacharse

    Marc

    I agree partey doesnt seem realistic but I think coutinho is going to make sense to a lot of the hierarchy. Whether mikels on board, dunno. Whether coutinhos up for it, dunno.

  30. Batistuta

    An alternative to Coutinho would be Chanaloglou at Milan, games matured so damn much this year. Of course we can’t get him on loan and we’re skint according to some on here.

    Sarri’s Juve are maybe the worse Juve title winners ever, horrible they’ve been allowed to win the league. What’s that 32 or 33 goals for Immobile this season, absolutely brilliant footballer

  31. Zacharse

    My tactical knowledge is more limited than mikel artetas but i’m guessing he’s gonna be looking for a highly technical forward/AM who can do what ozil occasionally did. I think he’ll be looking for a MF more along the lines of partey than cazorla As well. Its summer on le grove ffs
    I’m gonna make some fucking guesses

  32. The backpass

    “backpassNo wasn’t directed at you specifically – just people are arguing over big sums when I really don’t think we have a pot to piss in and we could be looking at sales to balance the books.”

    I actually think it would be hard to shift lots of them.

    Ozil : going nowhere
    Mustafi: going nowhere
    Kolasinac: no buyer
    Sokratis: agent already said he is going nowhere
    Guendouzi: we will sell him for dirt cheap.
    AMN : maybe Brighton £20-25million
    Eleney: Besiktas claim they don’t have the cash.
    Torreira: Milan already got a better player in bennacer.
    Nelson: No idea.
    Lacazette: Juve reportedly agrees personal terms with Milik.

    We are well and truly fucked regarding sales.

  33. Zacharse

    I also forgot to say, i believe we need a master free kick taker, one that isnt Pepe so that we arent forced to use him in games away to stoke where we should win 2-0 on free kicks/pens etc

  34. Thorough

    If we’re so he’ll bent on getting a No 10/Playmaker,then I give you a player that is like a hybrid of Szo and Coutinho, I give you Van Der Beek. 23 I think, contributes at both end of the pitch, physical, and can definitely improve his goalscoring.
    I don’t know why we keep missing the blindingly obvious.

  35. Pierre

    Andy
    ” If Pierre thinks he’s anything like DB10 that says more about his understanding of the game than anything insulting I could come up with.”

    Sorry, I didn’t realise that all No.10’s have to be the same.
    It’s you that is making comparisons not anyone else.

    I would give up now if I were you as you could be going into Bamford territory of stupidity if you continue with the absurd notion that Bergkamp wasn’t a no.10.

  36. The backpass

    Bastistuta

    Immobile 35 goals.

    If he scores 2 in his last match on Sunday, he surpasses the record set by Higuan at 36 goals.

    Some might say he scored 15 penalties so he shouldn’t be compared to Higuan, but to me a goal is a goal.

  37. The backpass

    Thorough

    “If we’re so he’ll bent on getting a No 10/Playmaker,then I give you a player that is like a hybrid of Szo and Coutinho, I give you Van Der Beek. 23 I think, contributes at both end of the pitch, physical, and can definitely improve his goalscoring.
    I don’t know why we keep missing the blindingly obvious.”

    Maybe because he would cost at least £40 million?

  38. andy1886

    Pierre, by your way of thinking then anyone who wears a ’10’ on his back is a number ten. Different types? Yeah, Dennis was a striker – he said so. Ozil is a midfielder – that’s what he’s listed as on Arsenal.com (not a forward), and Gallas wore #10 for a while too.

    As usual your rambling makes no sense. To coin a phrase you could just keep quiet and let people think that you’re an idiot but instead you go and open your mouth and prove it.

  39. Zacharse

    Other reason we arent positioned to be dortmund 2.0 is that theres been an albatross hung on the club since the move to emirates. A bad smell. Mikels gotta clear
    That shit out before we can be aplace for youth that isnt a cesspit of toxicity. Lets be realistic

  40. Zacharse

    Thorough

    I dont know anything about Szo but i dont think van der beek, or any young world beater whose getting courted by the big continentals is going to be super eager to head our way.
    I know theres lots of talent out there. Seems like championship might be a better place to start looking considering the inconsistent, limp look our squad wavers to against championship level teams

  41. andy1886

    Un, I agree with that but the discussion was focusing on getting a modern no 10 not the old style one like Dennis which is why I said that bar Ozil we’ve never has one of those, which I believe is accurate (and why I noted the differences between them).

  42. Gentlebris

    Just like Chelsea, United and Barca are all fighting for Willian, but the lots here led by Sir P would sneer at Willian.

    Without even an assurance of the GREAT Europa league.

    People really think past glory matter in football when no one knows in what decade you will return to the CL…..plus the attraction of a rookie coach with no CV prospective quality incomings can assess.

    Reality is:

    With our current situations, If we pull off any of Coutinho or Willian, then it’s a fucking bloody coup.

    One of the reasons we ended up with Pepe at £72m was because most of the great guys wouldn’t look at people with no immediate CL status.

    And now we are not even sure Europa will be in the bag as we raid the market this TW.

    Presently, our attractiveness is just a pint above clubs like West Ham.

    So sneer away, dudes.

  43. Overmars

    Pierre is right, Arsenal fans care too much about the transfer fees and wages of players these days.

    At the moment, we’re linked with Zaha and Coutinho. Wages and fees aside, these are 2 top quality players and at 27/28 years old they are at the peak of their game. They would stroll into our first team easily.

    For years, fans moaned that we didn’t spend enough. They moaned that Wenger was always ‘penny pinching’.

    Now we have the money to spend, and even when we brought Aubameyang, people on here were saying ‘oh he’s too old’, or ‘he won’t adapt to the Premier League’, or ‘he’s a troublemaker’.

    It just goes to show that what ever Arsenal spend on a player in the transfer market, they will always get criticized needlessly by fans. God forbid they get praised.

  44. Graham62

    Has anyone mentioned Brentford on here tonight?

    Ollie Watkins is a super player.

    Congrats to The Bees.

  45. Thorough

    The Backpass.
    You actually think Arsenal can’t afford a 40 million dollar midfielder? Maybe we’re not ready to love forward then.

  46. Thorough

    Zacharse
    Once in a while you may hit it off with an occasional amazing player in the championship. But if we really wanna move forward we’ve got to shell out for the best we can get.

    See Chelsea for example, with all the midfielders they’ve got, players all over championship and elsewhere doing great, yet still had to get Ziyech and about to get Havertz.

    Its a fact of life, we have to adapt or die. And we’re dying slowly. If this billionaire can’t see that FFP at its best is lame, and he may need to invest and invest before we become something spectacular then maybe he doesn’t deserve us.

    Look at Man U, we use to laugh at them. Buying and buying but no tangible progress. But eventually they got the final piece of the puzzle in Bruno Fernandes, and the rest is history.

    We need to buy the best or forget about competing. Otherwise we would just be fooling ourselves.

  47. Left Testicle

    If Arsenal are registering an interest in Grealish can I register an interest in Margot Robbie?

  48. The backpass

    Thorough

    “The Backpass.
    You actually think Arsenal can’t afford a 40 million dollar midfielder? Maybe we’re not ready to love forward then.”

    Without Sales or kronke helping us out sadly we can’t.

    Partey for £45million to be paid once.
    Van de beek for £40 million

    That is a lot of money, lose to Chelsea and whatever we have shrinks. Sadly, we need Kronke to pump money in.

  49. Thorough

    The Backpass.
    Exactly my point. And sadly if we don’t find the money we’ll keep treading water. We need a transfer season when we’ll blow everyone out of the waters. I’m talking the kind of Malgaes, Partey, Van Der Beek, summer.

    We may even need more than one. That’s the way to go. City and Chelsea have done that and now can relax and add cherries on top. We have to invest big over 2 summers and then take it up from there.

    And I believe the money must come from outside as we have few players we can sell for good money.
    Torreira – Not playing enough.
    Guendozi – Arteta destroyed his market value
    Bellerin – Arteta foolishly thinks he’s good enough.
    Xhaka – The scariest thing I’ve heard isn’t just Arteta talking him out of a transfer but actually speaking glowingly about him. That’s cringe worthy.

    We have to invest before we sink further.

    And the investment must be huge.

  50. Bojangles

    “If we’re so he’ll bent on getting a No 10/Playmaker,then I give you a player that is like a hybrid of Szo and Coutinho, I give you Van Der Beek. 23”

    Found something to agree with Thorough about. Would be a great signing. May even have a small advantage with him too seeing as he’s trotting out DB10’s daughter. I’m sure Denis will be in his ear.

  51. Danny S

    To add to the number 10 debate.

    Andy talks about a ‘modern’ number 10. These type players sit in a hole and spray balls left and right and do very little else, they are link up players. As he correctly says, there is little space for these in the modern game.

    In the days of DB, Totti etc, they were not referred to as ‘number 10’s’. They were second strikers that sat deeper, were more creative and a bit less selfish. They assisted, but also scored a good number of goals from all over the pitch. They were also all pretty aggressive.

    Your Aimars and Riquelmes are long since things of the past with the playmaker role dropping deeper and being more involved off the ball.

  52. China1

    Overmars the goalposts moved on judging transfers for very good reason

    Context is everything

    10 years ago we could’ve bought two excellent players and been title contenders and done much better in the CL. Instead we were insisting on being clever about the final pieces of the jigsaw to be successful and we kept turning out less clever than expected

    Now arsenal are miles off the pace, the worst we’ve been for a few decades and most of the team needs replacing either urgently or within the next 2 years. Funds are tight and we need to make a bigger jump in quality than ever before for decades whilst having very limited funds to do so. We don’t have the luxury of going hard on one player and being good enough next year, we need about 4 first team players. If we jizzing silly money up the wall on players of dubious financial value (like zaha or potentially Coutinho loan) then we’ll have bugger all else for the rest of the team.

    Talk of zaha is like buying an 8 year old lambo that’s been rinsed as a Las Vegas rental car and paying $120 for the pleasure. Might be a nice car but this is not anything close to value for money

  53. China1

    120k*

    If it was 120 I’d be all over that haha

    But that’s the exact point about the difference between decent players and value for money

  54. Nelson

    Just watched a new You Tube video from Bellerin interviewing Florencia Galarza. WTF! We have a Cup final in 3 days and Bellerin is spending all the time producing You Tube video.

  55. Overmars

    China01

    I think Zaha at around 30 million pounds is great value for money, if that’s what he costs.

    We will have money this summer. Even more so with potential sales of Sokratis, Chambers/Holding, Kolasinac, Mustafi, Guendouzi, Torreira, Lacazette, Elneny, maybe Ozil. I wouldn’t worry. We’ll have enough for a couple of midfielders, a defender and a winger.

  56. CaliGooner

    Sokratis and Ozil day they won’t leave. Chambers and mustafi are hurt. No one wants elneny. Other then that you might be able to sell the rest on your list.

  57. Frank C

    Your valuations of possible outgoings is unrealistic and out of line with most recognized valuation sources.

    Certainly doesn’t help your credibility.

    And if you and other readers want to create and fantasize over proposed deals viewing them from the perspective of the club you are approaching will often lead you to a different conclusion. For example, Simeone agrees to sell Partey subject to the following: $ 45 Million cash, no installments and Martinelli. Now after Martinelli’s injury the counter would be $ 40 Million and Saka. Seems more a reasonable and convincing offer to get Simeone to move.

    Are you agreeable with such a framework?

  58. Mysticleaves

    Hey guys. Been mad busy but I am following as I can. Big ups to the daily contributors and to Pedro for giving us daily dose of agenda driven write ups. Le grove is at its finest in this format. Also shout out to Pierre for choosing to live and die by Ozil. I hope he never plays for the club again.

    After Arteta admitted we need a creative spark in the middle (Ozil doesn’t spark anything, mind). He will be foolish not to go all in for Coutinho. He’s quality, available and ready to show Liverpool what they’ve been missing. Just like Fabregas showed us with Chelsea. I don’t even care if Kia is his agent or not. He’d tremendously improve us. And let’s try to get in Partey too and sign up Ceb. Partey, Ceb, Coutinho middle 3 will be a huge jump in quality to what we have now. Nimble, fleet footed footballers that will immediately add mobility to our otherwise static midfield. And could ultimately spell the end of Xhaka. Cos he won’t be happy with a bench rule and there’s no way he’s getting in ahead of those lot

  59. China1

    Overmars if he’s 30m that’s one thing, though last summer he was over 70. I don’t think palace will touch 30 unless their finances are in a desperate state

    Secondly what does it mean for Pepe? Or you would put one of them on the left side?

  60. China1

    Frank it’s extremely unlikely arsenal are including saka or martinelli in any outgoing deals. We’d be more likely to pay the release clause in cash or bundle in other players we don’t want to sweeten the deal. Why would we sacrifice either or our two brightest prospects for Partey?

  61. China1

    The last thing we need to be spending money on is a CF even if laca is sold

    You don’t upgrade your TV when the roof is leaking and the floor is sinking

    Save a shiny new luxury CF for when the foundations are legit

  62. Sid

    Partey(13 yellows 2019/20) is no Fernadinho(7 yellows2018/19)
    Fernadinho is an intelligent refined footballer, partey is crude , agricultural like Doucure, jack of midfield trade master of none.

  63. Habesha Gooner

    This why we are not moving forward. People would rather get coutinho for a year rather than build for the next two seasons. We don’t need a big money signing. We just need the player that is signed to be a better fit for us. We were Banging on Kante and Mahrez after Leicester won the title. And they weren’t even under consideration. Last summer Hakim Ziyech was available for 25 mil. He was a really good fit for us. He defends, He scores and He creates. Pepe is good but Ziyech was better value. Now we are going for coutinho for a roll of the dice instead of building for a future? I don’t get it. Get Buendia. He is a creator that we have been lacking. Our strikers would love Buendia more than coutinho. Coutinho shoots. better but he doesn’t create better. Buendia will make our strikers better. There is also szoboszlai who isn’t PL proven like Buendia but has all the talent we need. We shouldn’t roll the dice yo get CL. We need to build with these kind of players.

  64. China1

    Pedro makes comments like that whilst claiming to be an oat milk latte drinker

    THIS MAKES ME ANGRY

    But he’s right

  65. Chris

    I think that’s a fair assessment about the non negotiables. Disciplinary standards had drifted for a while under Wenger and ultimately failed to be improved under Emery. I see nothing wrong with the stance Arteta is taking, having high standards cultivates the high performance environment that we need.

  66. Wasi

    Thiago is a good shout. Just dont know if I’d be willing to buy another injury prone player.

    To build an elite team like Pool’s we need to find players that are robust and dont get injured often.
    Best example is Liverpool’s starting 11. Rarely get injured.
    They even pulled the plug on Fekir at the last moment due to his injury issues.

  67. Chris

    Seems as if Sanchez wants the move to Inter to be permanent, but there is the issue of his contract. 2 years still to go and Inter can’t pay the reported £400,000 a week.

    At least there is always someone else worse off!

  68. Valentin

    Those of us who suspected that that Joorabchian was using Arsenal’s name to get his client Joelson Fernandes a better deal at Sporting may have been right after all. It is rumoured now that Joelson Fernandes has agreed an extension in principle.

  69. Sid

    Spinning wheels theatrics will not improve mentality,
    we need guys with longstuff so long the can use it to smack the mistakes outta Luiz, mustafinovs, Xhakalson
    Mertesecker with his tiny bean will not toughen the junior team, they need a Sol

  70. China1

    Emery did try to have standards I think but ultimately came across as a wet fish so it didn’t work out

    The image on him constantly playing with his neck whilst grimacing on the sidelines was painful on the eyes

  71. Tom

    Un
    Thiago is levels above Coutinho , in what way exactly?
    Coutinho, the “flop”, who couldn’t nail a spot in Barca’s line up and went to Bayern last season has had 20 goals and 13 assists in 5300 minutes of play over the last two seasons.
    Thiago – 6goals 10 assists in over 6000minutes for Bayern last two seasons.

  72. Marc

    “Those of us who suspected that that Joorabchian was using Arsenal’s name to get his client Joelson Fernandes a better deal at Sporting may have been right after all. ”

    My God I can’t believe an agent has used the media and another club to get his client a better deal. I mean this could be the start of a very slippery slope as it’s only happened countless times before.

    Good grief – I really wonder about the levels of naivety by some on here. 99.9% of anything reported by the media on football is bullshit, I’m actually shocked when they get something right.

  73. Valentin

    Pedro,

    Technically Paris FC is the historical Parisian club. But trophy wise, Paris FC has no history to talk about. They have spend most of the history in lower league.
    A Bahrain wealth fund has invested in Paris FC with a view reach Ligue 1 and compete in a few years for the title! This is the equivalent of somebody buying Tranmere to challenge Liverpool.
    Either they are deluded or extremely wealthy or maybe both.

  74. Pierre

    Thiago, partey and coutinho / Grealish in midfield would be a dream and transform our midfield which in turn would transform our attack which in turn would transform our defence as we would retain possession to take the pressure off.

  75. Wasi

    Un

    We are looking for a no.10/ someone who will add creativity , goals and assists in the midfield.

    Thiago would be an upgrade on Xhaka/Ceballos pivot , a massive one , but we have to first focus on other positions.

    But thats not the concern right now.
    Just as Depay , Thiago doesn’t solve our problems right now

  76. Hoksilato

    This window is going to be painful…
    I really wish Mikel has a very very clear plan reg. the type of players he wants and sticks to it religiously.
    Given the chaotic environment, he will have to resist a lot of the opportunistic moves that will pop up, etc and we cannot afford to get involved into that approach or we’ll end up with an incoherent squad…AGAIN

  77. Freddie Ljungberg

    Don

    Yeah, 180m for a short term-ish fix of our midfield with no sell on value is just stupid.

    I hope the club is smarter than spending our precious budget on expensive oldies when we have to build dor the future if we want to have any chance of catching up to the top teams in the league and Europe.

    We need to find our own Coutinho, or Partey etc before they’re established names going for a fortune at the back end of their career.
    Doesn’t have to be all 18-19 year olds either that can’t contribute in the here and now.

  78. HighburyLegend

    “This window is going to be painful…”
    @Hoksilato : at last, someone who understand the situation….

    Painful windows are an Arsenal Trademark since a decade.

  79. Marc

    Un

    “But they are 27,28 and 29 years of age.
    A lot of money for not a lot of time”

    Well it wouldn’t be unreasonable to expect 5,4 and 3 years out of them – plenty of time if they are successful.

  80. Marc

    Highbury

    Unfortunately I think this window is going to make some of those previous “painful” windows look like a picnic.

  81. Freddie Ljungberg

    Don

    “Would be a formidable midfield
    But they are 27,28 and 29 years of age.
    A lot of money for not a lot of time”

    Was agreeing with you on this post actually.

  82. GuNZ

    Maybe won’t get a chance again before the FA Cup final so here goes (just to piss off my brother who’s a Chelsea fan):

    Arsenal 3 Chelsea 2

    Even if the trophy is presented on the paddock and not in the royal box.

  83. Graham62

    Ah yes, Mr Kia Joorabchian, a honest and trustworthy human being who helps to milk a system that has become unmanned and corrupt.

    I implore you all to watch his debate with Gary Neville in respect to Carlos Tevez.

    Draw your own conclusions.

    As soon as Joorabchian starts talking about the front line workers, you just know your dealing with a leech of the highest order.

    His way of softening you up.

    Wouldn’t trust him as far as I could throw him.

    Unfortunately, in modern day football, money is king.

  84. DigitalBob

    Still no solid confirmed in-comings or outgoings?

    I guess next week after the final is when we make strides positive or not. An Arsenal team without European football is gonna be a tough self regardless of our “stature” in football in terms of players coming in, but I would have assumed we would have had some firm reports on outgoings.

    I’ll be disappointed if we head into next season with another Ceballos loan and Saliba as our only major changes.

  85. Wasi

    Un

    Even if we were to get Thiago and Szoboslai , it aint fixing our creativity problem right away.
    Nobody knows how much time will Szoboslai require to settle in the Prem. And most probably he wont be able to replicate the numbers he is putting up for Salzburg who are flat track bullies in Austria.
    As for Thiago he will play in the pivot instead of Xhaka. His role would be more of a controller than a creator.

    It all depends on the club and Arteta really.
    If they believe we can make top 4 next season if our creativity problem can be fixed then Coutinho is the man to get.
    If the realistic target Arteta and the club set for next season is a top 6 finish then in that case the likes of Szoboslai and Buendia become more attractive.

  86. HighburyLegend

    Anyone seriously thinks that, if we won the FA Cup, it will change anything for our transfer window ?

    I’m not convinced at all… this trophy is not enough prestigious, or “glamourous”.

    The only way to really mark the minds is to smash them, with a lots of goals.
    Not sure it’s gonna happens…

  87. Sid

    Theres no way diet pep signs Szobozlai,
    1. He has no time to let him develop
    2. No. 1 leads to a safer option like Buendia
    3. His tactics suggest his 1st option is workhorse types over sleek footballers like Partey, Xhakalson

  88. Marc

    Just heard a rumour that we have a clause in Auba’s contract meaning we can extend. Would explain why there was no panic to extend or sell last summer.

  89. Wasi

    ‘The German and Austrian leagues aren’t too dissimilar from the premier league in terms of style and pace.’

    Mate , seriously 😂.

    The Austrian league is way too slow.
    The Bundesliga is similar to the Premier league a bit. They play a fast, high pressing game in Germany.
    Coutinho is the player with the highest probability of solving our creativity problem right away ( Of the players we are linked with).
    No-one can guarantee nothing , its all a game if probabilities. Coutinho ticks most boxes , especially the Premier league experience one.

  90. andy1886

    Marc, I’ve read about the Auba option somewhere before (possibly on The Athletic). It seems that both sides have agreed that it’s not something that they will exercise. Apparently for the club there is a significant financial penalty and it’s agreed that keeping a player who wanted to leave under those circumstances would be a very bad idea (from Auba’s perspective trying to secure a long term deal a year later would be much harder).

    So forget about that one.

    As for winning the cup you’re 100% correct, the impact on our spending is all about that extra £30m, not about attracting the players.

  91. andy1886

    Marc, here you go:

    Although June 2021 is the official end date of Aubameyang’s deal, The Athletic understands Arsenal did insert a purchase option on an additional year. This technically granted Arsenal the ability to unilaterally extend Aubameyang’s deal by a further 12 months, if they meet certain financial conditions.

    There was an agreement that activating this clause suited nobody’s purposes. For Arsenal, the financial conditions would have been punishing. For Aubameyang, this summer is the right time to sign a deal that will offer him a degree of security in the latter stages of his career. He’ll require a contract that lasts several years, not a 12-month extension.

    The clause has effectively been deemed redundant: there is a recognition that you do not hold a player or person of Aubameyang’s standing against their will. If an agreement is found, it will be a mutual decision.

  92. Samir

    I’m wondering now why don’t we go for Ruben Neves instead of Partey?

    Neves is 23, Partey 27.
    Neves has PL experience, great at sniffing out danger, creative, can score free kicks and long distance shots.
    Buying Neves would make a competitor weaker.

    Probably the same price as Partey too?

  93. Habesha Gooner

    Gabriel Magalhaes is being pursued by Napoli, PSG and United. So no chance there. Axel Disasi is our best bet now. Rumors Ake is on his way to city. They also completed the deal for ferran Torres. All teams Are moving. We need to start making moves after the cup final.

  94. Countryboy

    Don’t know why people are talking about Thiago.

    Won’t happen.

    Szo, Buendia, Coutinho, Partey might happen for various reasons.

    Just hope the hierarchy recognize that short term fixes like Coutinho are what got us into this situation.

    FYI, Partey is a short term fix too. You will only get 2 seasons max from him. He’s 30+.

  95. CazOnARola

    The modern game is about fitness now more than ever.

    Coutinho is unique in terms of his defensive and offensive abilities.. A perfect fit for Liverpool ‘s style and possibly the style everyone is trying to emulate.

    Players who are fit and quick over 2 yards have become an absolute necessity these days.

    Thiago the better all round player, Coutinho the more modern and more suited to current game requirements.

    He doesn’t fit in at barca, because barca is still playing possession based football, even if it is not tiki taka, it is still tweaked tiki taka.

    I’d take Coutinho if arteta plans to play 4-3-3, but that would need a lot of upgrades to defense.

    Thiago will suit better in a 5-2-3 but his injury record means i would steer clear.

  96. andy1886

    “Coutinho is unique in terms of his defensive and offensive abilities.. A perfect fit for Liverpool ‘s style and possibly the style everyone is trying to emulate.”

    Really??

    They’ve changed since they sold him and it’s been said were given first refusal to take him back at a much lower price. That they were not interested suggests that Jurgen doesn’t agree with your assessment.

  97. andy1886

    Wasi, my information is that he has a 43 y.o. son and an honorable discharge after serving in Vietnam….

    And carries a VAT tariff of 98%.

  98. Leedsgunner

    Werner, Ziyech, Pulisic, Ake…

    Chelsea not messing around and signing players to address their weaknesses whilst we just look on.

    I’m so glad we moved into Emirates aren’t you?

    We were utterly had by Gazidas.

  99. Leedsgunner

    I understand we can’t easily buy our targets… we should be at least busy selling our fringe players…

    It’s a sign of incompetence that Mkhitaryan wasn’t able to sold even for a small fee. What’s Elneny, Sokratis and Özil still here? Time for Raul to show why he was worth appointing.

  100. Uwot?

    Don’t want Thiago.heard he’s a bit of a c**t..In fact as ex Barca.he has to be.My take on any transfers most likely to be outside of any sales we make( if any) which could change the picture is:Axel Disasi,The Boz, & Marco Roca.Tha lot is for around £50 million mark.

  101. HighburyLegend

    Big Boys already started their transfer window.

    If you ask “why don’t we ??”, then fuck off, this is an Arsenal tradition, period.

  102. Freddie Ljungberg

    On Gabriel:

    “The fee is around €22m (£19.9m) with bonuses of another €3m or so”

    Absolute bargain at that price, and left footed too so Arteta would be happy.

    There’s a bit of competition for him but he’s guaranteed a starting place for us which would probably help.

    Saliba -Gabriel -Tierney is 3/4 of a future world class defence.