Thomas Partey rumours will NOT die (still no money though)

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OUR SUMMER IS GOING TO BE THIS:

ARSENAL OFFER <LESS THAN ASKING PRICE> TO ATLETI

ATLETI SAY NO

ARSENAL OFFER <SLIGHTLY MORE THAN PREVIOUS FAILED BID> TO ATLETI

ATLETI SAY NO

ARSENAL OFFER <SLIGHTLY MORE THAN PREVIOUS FAILED BID> TO ATLETI

… and so on.

It seems that we’ve offered them the deal I suggested a few weeks ago… they get an u20 French midfielder + some money. That is not tickling Simeone.

Remember though, Atleti is in deep shit on the money front. They used one of those fancy lending firms that ‘ease cashflow in football’ to fund a bunch of their deals, now they are drowning in shit. They likely want the £50m because that’ll help ease their €500 million debt burden. They’ll also want to save face, a bit like Palace last season with Zaha (lol).

I have no idea if they’ll do a deal with us, but it might be easier for them than forking out a double-your-salary deal for the Ghanaian.

Talks seem to be gathering pace that Dani Ceballos has no chance under Zidane next season, and he’s believed to be keen to join Arsenal for another year, when it is hoped Arsenal might be able to muster the funds to buy him. That works for me, he’s been a revelation since he returned from the breaks. He’s an all-action player that needs to work on his final ball, but it certainly looks like he could be capable of growing into that role in the double pivot. He might looks quite good next to someone like Partey.

ESR is 20! Happy Birthday, let’s hope he lands some minutes next year, the hopes are VERY high for him.

The Coutinho and Willian rumours continue to stink out the internet, I really think you need to brace for impact there. I think at least one of the players will end up at Arsenal next season. No offence to the player, who I think is decent, but the deal will just double down on two things.

  1. Raul doesn’t learn from his mistakes
  2. Leadership at Arsenal is a touch bland
  3. Raul and Edu do not care one jot that the English press is scrutinising their super-agent best friend deals

Edu really is embarrassing, brought in to be a fine smelling, very handsome, Invincible™-so-he-must-love-us cover to allow Raul to do whatever he pleases. It’s all super disappointing, but I won’t lose too much sleep over it until it happens. THEN I WILL NOT SLEEP AND I WILL RAGE.

David Ornstein says we’ll hear offers for Reiss, Sokratis, Holding, Guen, Torreira, and Mustafi. To be honest, I think we’d listen to offers for most of our players. There aren’t many that are indispensable.

Man, I’m depressing myself out here. A short one today, listen to my LATEST podcast with an actual person this week. Then tomorrow, we start talking FA CUP FINAL WOOO YES HIT ME WITH THE JOY BATON! No, that sounds weird. Inject joy into my veins? No… just, you know, show up tomorrow and we’ll have lovely post for you.

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  1. Victorious

    Wouldn’t speculate on transfers at least untill the outcome of the cup final, alot is really riding on that game and I’ll be shocked if we bring in quality players without Europe football

    Cant see the likes of Partey and Coutinho joining a midtable team without even the lowly Europa football to offer, think many of the transfer experts on here will be mightily disappointed

    Put into perspective what big Weng did for this club really, locking in top4 for years with modest players.

  2. Champagne Charlie

    If Villa want to have Holding, Eddie and Nelson for Grealish I’d be all about it, otherwise our “interest” is purely academic. Because a scrunched up tenner isn’t going to cut it.

  3. The backpass

    Bellerin 25, AMN 22, Saliba 19, Holding 24, Tierney 24, Saka 18, Ceballos 23, Guendouzi 21, Torreira 23, Chambers 25, ESR 20, Willock 20, Pepe 25, Nelson 20, Martinelli 18, Nketiah 20.

    16 out of 26 outfield players are 25 and below, we will be fine.

    Next season at least 5 would leave. Adding a 28 year old wouldn’t be the end of the world.

  4. Ishola70

    I don’t think Europa League or no Europa League will make a huge difference.

    If there is no CL a player comes to play in the EPL with a big wage rather than having any thought about Europa League.

    Either Arsenal have some more money down the back of the sofa to surprise us or they haven’t regardless of Europa League.

    As we know this club never restructures to any great extent in getting players out and getting new players in so talk of this nature is a waste of time.

  5. Un na naai

    The backpass

    17/26 are 23 and over

    But when two of our best attacking players are 29 and 31 maybe it would be wise to go with someone who gives us slightly more.

  6. Un na naai

    PedroJuly 29, 2020 18:39:59
    Un, everyone is a ghostwriter… no opinion is original. I just steal your ideas.

    Mine are original. Obvs.
    I didn’t get to the end yet. Will finish it tomo on my way to work. Nice to have someone else to bounce off though.

  7. Marko

    At arsenal I’d go for grealish all day long. If we had £90m to spend on such outrageous talents

    Argues against the cost of loaning Coutinho meanwhile would spend 90 million on Graelish. Couldn’t make it up

  8. Un na naai

    Champagne CharlieJuly 29, 2020 18:29:42
    If Villa want to have Holding, Eddie and Nelson for Grealish I’d be all about it, otherwise our “interest” is purely academic. Because a scrunched up tenner isn’t going to cut it.

    That’s not a bad shout. Would be sad to see Nketiah and holding leave but if we get Grealish out it? Fuck yes.
    I’d go and get a jack grealish hair do
    A little bit like that monkey with the white hair off the original jungle book though isn’t it?

  9. Victorious

    Europa league places alone attracts some much needed funds to add to a very paltry budget in getting one or two of these players over the line,we wouldnt have to hassle so much in cases when clauses are meant to be triggered, we need as much as we can get this summer really

    It also means more games for the youngsters to further enhance their development,more playing time and experience to handle real EPL football, I think its very pivotal in this very summer we’re getting into

  10. The backpass

    Un.

    Naturally 25 is when a player is said to be entering his prime..so 25 is the benchmark. You might as well start from 20 years in that case.

    Except, Coutinho would be a midfield player not a forward and he would be replacing Ozil in the squad.

    Midfielders.

    Xhaka 27
    Ceballos 23
    Torreira 23
    *Guendouzi 21
    Willock 20
    ESR 20
    *Ozil 31

    Adding a 28 year old to this is not bad.

  11. Victorious

    Whoever gets Grealish this summer will end up overpaying, no doubt, the English media will have you believe he’s on Messi and Ronaldo’s level already,lol a club is seriously going to be mugged off on that lad.

  12. Un na naai

    Backpass

    We aren’t talking about prime though, we are talking about being a senior pro at 23

    Beckham Vieira Giggs Lampard Terry gerrard Henry Scholes. All were playing regularly in the first team by the time they were 23

    Got game time before that but were not considered first team starters

  13. Un na naai

    Hmm

    Maybe Vieira Scholes and Beckham were
    Maybe that point wasn’t very well made.
    What am I trying to say here
    That younger players can be considered senior pros

  14. DivineSherlock

    Valentin

    You dont think playing 4-3-3 Coutinho easily slots into the midfield alongside Ceballos and Xhaka . Arteta tried 4-3-3 with Saka and Willock it didnt work much cos they lack experience . However with Coutinho that would be easy . Its only because Ozil is unavailable that Arteta has to change formations because creatively there is no CAM to play with . hence the 3-4-3 .

  15. The backpass

    I don’t think Grealish leaves villa this transfer window with the ridiculous price set for him.

    Who has £80 million to pay for him?

    Man united, maybe but he would be on the bench, so no.

    Man city, maybe but they have foden and are set to complete a deal for Ferran Torres.

    For 50 million, I’d say forget Partey and get him.

  16. Un na naai

    Midfielders.Xhaka 27
    Ceballos 23
    Torreira 23
    *Guendouzi 21
    Willock 20
    ESR 20
    *Ozil 31Adding a 28 year old to this is not bad.

    We are losing two of those and Petey looks back on now
    How many 27/28 year olds do we need in our midfield?

  17. The backpass

    Un

    Thats your opinion though. Man united under Ole have been buying 25 and under bar the Ighalo loan.

    Lets assume Coutinho was 25 years instead of 28, would you prefer it?

  18. Marko

    I would not touch Graelish at all. Any sort of high price wouldn’t justify his signing. Even if it’s a really conservative 40-50 million we could get the likes of Szoboszlai and Gabriel for the price of a Graelish. Don’t get me wrong he’s a good player but he’s overhyped and overpriced. Imo

  19. The backpass

    Un

    I believe we will get the ceballos dead done.. Loan and obligation to buy.

    First eleven Midfield

    Ceballos 23, Partey 27, Coutinho 28

    Looks good to me.

    Bench
    Xhaka 27, Willock 20, Torreira 23, ESR 20.

  20. The backpass

    Un
    “Backpass Yeah I’d be more inclined to take a 25 year old Coutinho. Definitely”

    Fair enough, get where you are coming from.

  21. Valentin

    Backpass,

    I have already wrote earlier why I would not touch Countinho. I just think that he would not fit into Arsenal style of play. He is a good player, but the wrong type of player for Arsenal.

    A 105kpw great player misfit is still a misfit and more costly than a decent £80kpw perfect fit DM. We need an agile, quick, disciplined, defensively aware and decent passing No8, not a No10. We don’t need somebody who would shoot on sight and roam free and leave a big hole in front of the defense.

  22. Un na naai

    A 105kpw great player misfit is still a misfit and more costly than a decent £80kpw perfect fit DM. We need an agile, quick, disciplined, defensively aware and decent passing No8, not a No10. We don’t need somebody who would shoot on sight and roam free and leave a big hole in front of the defense.

    That’s exactly what we need val. just one that could dribble and doesn’t cost so much. And younger preferably

  23. The backpass

    Valentin

    “I just think that he would not fit into Arsenal style of play. He is a good player, but the wrong type of player for Arsenal.”

    And what is this Arsenal style of play that doesn’t need coutinho. I’m yet to see this Arsenal’s style of play.

  24. The backpass

    Benhranma is such a lovely player to watch.. The skill at around that 25 mins mark where he just skinned 3 sweater player with two touches.

    Mbeuno should have also ended the game with the last chance.

  25. zacharse

    Coutinho- is he a misfit? i didnt follow close but i alw3ays understood it was a thing btwn him and messi and he just never found his footing after anfield. Arg v Brazil kinda thing like neymar (?) i admit to not fully knowing and wouldnt mind a more knowledgable take. Assuming his agent, I’m remembering Oscar, wants him to pull as much as possible with the excuse being ttaking care of extended family etc. That being said, the guy is a proven EPL player, a helluva fucking free kick taker and for the most part can play across the attacking line. If we’d never bought Pepe and the choice was between him and Coutinho, i honestly would not complain about him. Our young wingers and attackers need another senior player to learn from, the coaches as good as they may be cannot play in the games. You need someone on the pitch who can play and lead by example, don’t think hes a terrible shout in that way, definitely an upgrade on BLOzil even if only for a season. There really should not be an argument about whether or not he is world class, he checks those boxes. The one moving piece is his attitude which i am declared ignorant of. I would hate to see us c ontinue to put way too much pressure on youngsters in the vein of late wenger. Teamwork, building for the future, commitment- all this becomes a bullshit albatross if you don’t add a player or two somewhere near the level of Auba. If we’re talking stopgaps, i think you could find plenty worse than coutinho and most importantly a signing, temporary or long term, of a player with his reputation and skill TAKES PRESSURE OF GABI REISS SAKA WILLOCK PEPE (who may have a forged birth certificate and is actually 19 haha)

  26. zacharse

    as much as id like to see partey come i think your write up is a clear explanation of why he probably won’t. yes they are strapped and his agent is clearly aware, i think they are obviously testing the water for a better contract but also to how he fits into that team in the frame of a koke. as in will he be there for a decade. i imagine he wants to know now or hit the road for better pay. If he is what we all believe he is i doubt simeone is thinking much differently and probably wants to give him the assurances he’s looking for. As always, or at least as with Kroenke, we are the straw man

  27. The backpass

    “I am still amazed to see that little girl as “lineslady” .”

    I actually think she is one of the best if not the best.

    Swans building momentum.

  28. Countryboy

    If we are serious about replacing santi and unearthing Arsenal’s Busquets and Bruno:

    Look no further than a midfield of Emi Buendia (Cazorla), Ceballos (Busquets) and (Szo)

    I am sorry but fuck Coutinho. And Fuck Partey too. He is over 30. Trust me on this.

    Buendia has close control, uses both feet well, and he is defensively strong.

    So he does not score many goals, Fuck goals, too. At least from him.

    He is about creativity..

    Szobo is about guile, goals and grace.

    Play Buendia, Szobo and the New Ceballos and you’ll a midfield with right balance of flair, goals and solidity.

    A midfield of ballers without necessarily breaking the bank.

    Swapping Guen with Szo is something Arsenal should be pushing for. Guen fits RBL transfer policy as he is young with a high ceiling.

    Selling Torr should fund Buendia.

    This is easy.

  29. The backpass

    Jansson is such a shit defender. I remember a post saying we should get him from brentford. Pinnock has always been better.

    3-1

  30. andy1886

    “I’m sorry, we don’t need a 10??????????????????????”

    “And what is this Arsenal style of play that doesn’t need coutinho. I’m yet to see this Arsenal’s style of play.”

    Seriously guys, how long have you been watching football and Arsenal in particular?

    AFC have only had one modern #10 – Mesut Ozil. And he had what, three good seasons? Don’t forget before Emery, Freddie and now Mikel dumped him Wenger was dropping him and playing him on the wing too.

    So that’s three seasons or so in the history of the club. And around the English game the creative #10 has been something of a flash in the pan too. Popular when sides were using a single striker but now more or less a redundant luxury.

    Every single league title we have won was without an Ozil or Coutinho style #10.

  31. mb

    CkuntryBoy – couldn’t agree more. I have never seen Buendia play and Thomas is still fine to some extent but taking Coutinho doesn’t make sense. He may shine at Arsenal but it’s a year at loan.

    We are not fighting in Champions League. There is no short term target. What benefit it would do to get Cou on loan for an year and paying shit load of money?

  32. Countryboy

    mb

    Seen Buendia, I am telling you, he is what we are missing.

    Close control, switches play effortlessly and cool in tight spaces.

    And he is 23. The only way is up.

  33. Hoksilato

    Countryboy

    Sao plays in RB Salzburg… i think we’ll have to shoot Matteo dead before being able to ship him to Salzburg 🙂

  34. Gentlebris

    ‘Instead of the Audi options-
    Coutinho
    Partey
    We can do with the Honda options
    Beundia
    Perreira’

    Chelsea, meanwhile, are doing the Bentley options. Man City always Ferrari and Liverpool go BMW these days.

    How are we gonna compete at the same uptown party with our Honda?

  35. The backpass

    Andy

    “So that’s three seasons or so in the history of the club. And around the English game the creative #10 has been something of a flash in the pan too. Popular when sides were using a single striker but now more or less a redundant luxury.Every single league title we have won was without an Ozil or Coutinho style #10.”

    Except coutinho would be playing as a left Sided midfield (LCM), he played there for liverpool and ceballos would be on the right side.

    People are asking for Szobozolai and he plays the same spot where Coutinho would play LCM or occasional LM.

    Creative 10 like David Silva you mean?

    Who also plays as a LCM, again the same spot Coutinho would play.

    Hardly would you ever find coutinho operate in the right side of the midfield, his zone is always the left.

    We’ve been playing rubbish football for 5years now with an occasional 1 or 2 “Arsenal way”.

    Benrahma is such a Joy to watch.

  36. Samir

    All we really need at Arsenal is Kroenke out.
    Does he not understand his asset is depreciating? Putting money into Arsenal right now and getting us competing again will make him more money long term.

  37. Valentin

    I don’t understand that clamour for No10. It has never been very popular in UK anyway. And now even on the continent most team don’t play with No10 anymore.

    Even when Mikel Arteta was playing Özil, he did not used him as a standard No10. His team was lopsided, with Xhaka on the left to help out Saka on the left, AMN tucked in from right back into slightly right midfield. Özil was playing deeper and off center than a standard No10 on the right to compensate for Pepe not really defending.

    So Arteta is unlikely to want a No10. Anyway, the pursuit of Party as his first target should make clear that Arteta is looking for an agile, quick No8 and not a No10.

    Countinho is a pure No10, so it does not make sense to pursue him. That is not an indictment of the player. He is quality, just not in the position that we need.

  38. Gentlebris

    ‘Edu really is embarrassing, brought in to be a fine smelling, very handsome, Invincible™-so-he-must-love-us cover to allow Raul to do whatever he pleases. It’s all super disappointing, but I won’t lose too much sleep over it until it happens. ‘

    Sir P!

    Of course you remember that your sauce theory started with Edu before being injected into the Mikel debate don’t you?

    See how badly sauce could go wrong?

  39. Words on a Blog

    I think the key word with respect to any forthcoming was used a few times by Arteta in his pre match and post match interviews: “SPECIFICITY.”.

    Arteta wants particular types of players fulfilling particular functions in terms of creativity, pressing , pace and power, use of space, dribbling ability, etc etc. And he has a set of very defined characteristics in mind. For each position/set of characteristics he/Edu has in mind, there will be 3-4 players ranked in order of preference/cost.

    Who we get (if any) will depend on finances (e.g. whether We get into the Europa via winning Fa Cup) and Raul/Huss Fahmy’s deal making ability in terms of shifting players out reasonably profitably, and getting players in at a reasonable cost.

    It doesn’t matter if Champagne Charlie or Un is right about whether Coutinho or A.N. Other is worth it. If Arteta really does want him for footbalistic reasons and there’s a (reasonable) deal to be made, he’s in. Otherwise fuhgeddaboudit.

    Patience. Let’s wait and see who’s coming or going before pontificating.

  40. The backpass

    Valentin

    “Even when Mikel Arteta was playing Özil, he did not used him as a standard No10. His team was lopsided, with Xhaka on the left to help out Saka on the left, AMN tucked in from right back into slightly right midfield. Özil was playing deeper and off center than a standard No10 on the right to compensate for Pepe not really defending.”

    Its always Pepe for you right… Not that immediately Arteta came we were playing similar to how City were playing with Mahrez on the wing, Debruyne close and Walker tucking into the midfield.

    You didn’t talk of how Arteta was basically Hiding Xhaka as a left back.

  41. Un na naai

    Country boy
    I like your style. Not sure if it would work in England but it’s a lovely idea.
    It really needs a creative wide player or two to really flourish.

  42. The backpass

    Coutinho hardly enters the right Midfield zone, always the left.. Ceballos would take the right midfield and Partey at the base, and if not Coutinho then Szobozlai would do, the same thing minus the dribble.

    Cazorla initially played as a 10 when he first came to Arsenal.

  43. Un na naai

    Words on a BlogJuly 29, 2020 20:49:12
    I think the key word with respect to any forthcoming was used a few times by Arteta in his pre match and post match interviews: “SPECIFICITY.”.Arteta wants particular types of players fulfilling particular functions in terms of creativity, pressing , pace and power, use of space, dribbling ability, etc etc. And he has a set of very defined characteristics in mind. For each position/set of characteristics he/Edu has in mind, there will be 3-4 players ranked in order of preference/cost.Who we get (if any) will depend on finances (e.g. whether We get into the Europa via winning Fa Cup) and Raul/Huss Fahmy’s deal making ability in terms of shifting players out reasonably profitably, and getting players in at a reasonable cost.It doesn’t matter if Champagne Charlie or Un is right about whether Coutinho or A.N. Other is worth it. If Arteta really does want him for footbalistic reasons and there’s a (reasonable) deal to be made, he’s in. Otherwise fuhgeddaboudit.Patience. Let’s wait and see who’s coming or going before pontificating.

    Words on a blog.
    I hope you’re right. The alternative is he gets who kia is offering. If we don’t sign Willian and Coutinho then I think it could be safe to assume Arteta is picking his players

  44. andy1886

    Backpass, we couldn’t play like that, our 3-5-2 could only accommodate a #10 playing in the hole behind two strikers.

    If we play with wing backs and two attacking midfielders we’d need two DM’s and have to play with one striker. Given our midfield options we’d get overrun in the middle of the park

    If you’re suggesting a 4-3-3 with full backs, one DM and two wide attacking MF players we’d get absolutely slaughtered down the spine. Just Xhaka in front of two suspect CB’s.

    Sorry, I just don’t see how that would work.

  45. Gentlebris

    Most Arsenal supporters are a case.

    You rely on Ceballos for creativity and you are gonna sneer at the prospect of bringing in Coutinho?

    The things that are written here.

  46. Marc

    Un

    Come on mate you know the rules on here –

    signing looks good or works out = it was Mislintat or soon to be Arteta

    signing looks bad or doesn’t work out = IT WAS SANLLEHI

  47. Valentin

    Backpass,

    Mikel Arteta gave that exact same explanation after a game. He wanted Saka higher up the pitch more like a left winger and Aubameyang closer to the striker. He moved Xhaka to the left to cover Saka. That in term created an void in the middle of the midfield. In order to void it, he then ask AMN to play higher up and tucked in.
    That meant that the right winger had more space to defend which Pepe did not. So to cover that extra space without asking him to drop deeper, Özil was tasked to drop deeper and on the right.

    Those were Arteta decisions and he explained them at the end of a game. That has nothing with my own opinion of Saka, Xhaka, Özil and Pepe.

  48. Un na naai

    You rely on Ceballos for creativity and you are gonna sneer at the prospect of bringing in Coutinho?The things that are written here.

    I’d take Coutinho if that’s all that was on offer but football fans tend to fantasise about new signings, especially creative attacking players so who’s the odd ball?

  49. Un na naai

    Marc

    I actually think Raul did well last summer
    All 5 of his signings could step up next season and really become class for us. I expect a couple of years or more before 20 year old Saliba starts to look the part in the premier league realistically but Tierney, Pepe Ceballos and Martinelli could really take the league by storm next season

    All have shown high levels of promos at various stages in their maiden season.

  50. The backpass

    Andy
    “Backpass, we couldn’t play like that, our 3-5-2 could only accommodate a #10 playing in the hole behind two strikers. If we play with wing backs and two attacking midfielders we’d need two DM’s and have to play with one striker. Given our midfield options we’d get overrun in the middle of the parkIf you’re suggesting a 4-3-3 with full backs, one DM and two wide attacking MF players we’d get absolutely slaughtered down the spine. Just Xhaka in front of two suspect CB’s.Sorry, I just don’t see how that would work.”

    I doubt Arteta would play a 3 man defense when he has a Left sided Defender.. Arteta’s preference IMO is 433.

    I think you are missing the fact that we are after Partey. Partey effectively sends Xhaka to the shadow realm.

    Party is one man recking ball, very similar to fernadinho. Top 3 highest ball progressing midfielder in laliga behind Toni kroos.

    Something like this,

    Coutinho/ szobozlai. Ceballos

    Partey

    This is why the links to Partey or Danillo makes sense.

  51. andy1886

    Un, nope, DB10 was a striker. Nothing like Ozil or Coutinho (I knew you’d bring that up, we’ve had that discussion before).

    If you don’t believe me perhaps you’d believe the man himself, he’s always said that he considered himself a striker.

    Dennis was what was traditionally called a second striker. Neither MO or PC are anything like Dennis. Not even close. The man offered a goal threat, had the sort of power that those two could only dream of, and he was a hard b*stard too, played with an edge.

    I first saw DB10 in a WC qualifier at Wembley in ’93, and then all the way through to his testimonial game and can honestly say that are simply not comparable.

  52. Pierre

    Un
    Maybe we all imagined that Bergkamp was the archetypal no.10.

    To be honest I think Andy is just desperate to convince everyone that the no.10 is obsolete and previously had no real influence in games.

  53. The backpass

    Valentin

    “Backpass,Mikel Arteta gave that exact same explanation after a game. He wanted Saka higher up the pitch more like a left winger and Aubameyang closer to the striker. He moved Xhaka to the left to cover Saka. That in term created an void in the middle of the midfield. In order to void it, he then ask AMN to play higher up and tucked in.
    That meant that the right winger had more space to defend which Pepe did not. So to cover that extra space without asking him to drop deeper, Özil was tasked to drop deeper and on the right.”

    Except, we still played the same way when Kolasinac started the next match against Chelsea before going off injured.

    Same way till our Last match against Westham.

  54. andy1886

    Backpass, the problem with that is you’re talking about £20m loan for Coutinho, £50m on Partey, plus another £10m to extend Ceballos. I can’t see us spending £80m with two of those players being loanees for a year.

    I agree though that we need an AM plus a dominant central midfielder. One without the other is only doing half a job.

  55. The backpass

    Andy

    “I agree though that we need an AM plus a dominant central midfielder. One without the other is only doing half a job.”

    Exactly, and if we get Szobozlai instead, then its fine.

    I’ll be happy with Szobozlai/Coutinho and Partey and leave the defense like this depending on sales at the back.

    If laca leaves, get benrahma for £30 million.

  56. Un na naai

    Andy

    He was a striker in his early years but once he got to arsenal he was renowned for dropping deep, turning and finding through balls to the strikers, wingers running behind. They may have called it the second striker back then but it’s the same job. Del Piero, Totti, Baggio they all were no10’s just with slightly different styles.

    However you categorise Bergkamp, he wore the 10, he created play from all over the opposition half and scored the odd goal.

    He did everything a traditional no10 does

  57. Marc

    Un

    Sanllehi was epic last summer, Pepe – marquee signing get the fans juices going, Tierney – going to be one of the top LB’s playing in the PL, Saliba – top rated young CB with a really high ceiling, Martinelli – live wire young player going to be electric, Ceballos – was rubbish now half in here are bitching that we didn’t nail done a purchase price.

    It was the best TW we’ve seen for years.

  58. Un na naai

    PierreJuly 29, 2020 21:11:23
    Un
    Maybe we all imagined that Bergkamp was the archetypal no.10

    Pierre
    Maybe mate. It’s certainly not a viewpoint I agree with

  59. Marc

    Sorry are we talking “real world” or are we talking “Football Manager” with the signings people are talking about on here?

  60. Zacharse

    Coutinho can do more than play in CM its true he doesnt start on the right but he is right footed if i remember right which means in a pinch putting him in at right wing isnt like putting ceballos there, probably a step up from pepe/nelson whoever else is playing out there anyway. Saka is still so young you cant rely on him the way you can a vet.

    My point with all of this is i disagree w current project youth/dortmund 2.0 philosphy pedros talking about. We need guys over the age of 26, preferably a bit older, who will come for the right reasons. Ie arteta making a decision on a vet is not going to turn out like emery signing lichsteiner. I thought lichsteiner would be a great presence in that dressing room but if ye manager is emery good luck. Hes gonna kill the vibe anytime he enters the fkn room

  61. The backpass

    Marc

    “Sorry are we talking “real world” or are we talking “Football Manager” with the signings people are talking about on here?”

    Am guessing this is addressed to me, so let me bite.

    We are definitely getting Partey or Danillo

    Coutinho on loan

    And if we sell Lacazette for 30-35 million, we can then use that to buy Benhrama… Chelsea were quoted £25 million in January.

    I doubt Partey, Coutinho on loan and Benrahma( if Lacazette gets sold) is Football manager stuff.

    Honestly, what do you think we will do?

  62. Zacharse

    My feeling is that D Luiz has been at the center of our worst and beat moments. Hes a lightning rod and has it in him, as a defender, to decide a game. He did it many times at chelsea. We need a few more lightning rods even if they have a few errors and reds in them and they’re past their prime. Who can argue with that after all these spineless years????
    Just my take i guess

  63. Marc

    backpass

    No wasn’t directed at you specifically – just people are arguing over big sums when I really don’t think we have a pot to piss in and we could be looking at sales to balance the books.

    I’d love to be wrong though!

  64. andy1886

    Sorry Un, can’t agree. The guy scored over 200 career goals and a rate of better than a goal every three games.

    Coutinho is in his peak and scores fewer than one in four, and that will decline in the latter stages of his career just as Dennis’ scoring rate did.

    Ozil isn’t even remotely a striker, is as robust as a limp lettuce, and has all the determination of a two year old. If Pierre thinks he’s anything like DB10 that says more about his understanding of the game than anything insulting I could come up with.

    Which is why almost nobody in the PL plays with a player like Ozil (including Arsenal).

  65. Zacharse

    Marc

    I agree partey doesnt seem realistic but I think coutinho is going to make sense to a lot of the hierarchy. Whether mikels on board, dunno. Whether coutinhos up for it, dunno.

  66. Batistuta

    An alternative to Coutinho would be Chanaloglou at Milan, games matured so damn much this year. Of course we can’t get him on loan and we’re skint according to some on here.

    Sarri’s Juve are maybe the worse Juve title winners ever, horrible they’ve been allowed to win the league. What’s that 32 or 33 goals for Immobile this season, absolutely brilliant footballer

  67. Zacharse

    My tactical knowledge is more limited than mikel artetas but i’m guessing he’s gonna be looking for a highly technical forward/AM who can do what ozil occasionally did. I think he’ll be looking for a MF more along the lines of partey than cazorla As well. Its summer on le grove ffs
    I’m gonna make some fucking guesses

  68. The backpass

    “backpassNo wasn’t directed at you specifically – just people are arguing over big sums when I really don’t think we have a pot to piss in and we could be looking at sales to balance the books.”

    I actually think it would be hard to shift lots of them.

    Ozil : going nowhere
    Mustafi: going nowhere
    Kolasinac: no buyer
    Sokratis: agent already said he is going nowhere
    Guendouzi: we will sell him for dirt cheap.
    AMN : maybe Brighton £20-25million
    Eleney: Besiktas claim they don’t have the cash.
    Torreira: Milan already got a better player in bennacer.
    Nelson: No idea.
    Lacazette: Juve reportedly agrees personal terms with Milik.

    We are well and truly fucked regarding sales.

  69. Zacharse

    I also forgot to say, i believe we need a master free kick taker, one that isnt Pepe so that we arent forced to use him in games away to stoke where we should win 2-0 on free kicks/pens etc

  70. Thorough

    If we’re so he’ll bent on getting a No 10/Playmaker,then I give you a player that is like a hybrid of Szo and Coutinho, I give you Van Der Beek. 23 I think, contributes at both end of the pitch, physical, and can definitely improve his goalscoring.
    I don’t know why we keep missing the blindingly obvious.

  71. Pierre

    Andy
    ” If Pierre thinks he’s anything like DB10 that says more about his understanding of the game than anything insulting I could come up with.”

    Sorry, I didn’t realise that all No.10’s have to be the same.
    It’s you that is making comparisons not anyone else.

    I would give up now if I were you as you could be going into Bamford territory of stupidity if you continue with the absurd notion that Bergkamp wasn’t a no.10.

  72. The backpass

    Bastistuta

    Immobile 35 goals.

    If he scores 2 in his last match on Sunday, he surpasses the record set by Higuan at 36 goals.

    Some might say he scored 15 penalties so he shouldn’t be compared to Higuan, but to me a goal is a goal.

  73. The backpass

    Thorough

    “If we’re so he’ll bent on getting a No 10/Playmaker,then I give you a player that is like a hybrid of Szo and Coutinho, I give you Van Der Beek. 23 I think, contributes at both end of the pitch, physical, and can definitely improve his goalscoring.
    I don’t know why we keep missing the blindingly obvious.”

    Maybe because he would cost at least £40 million?

  74. Un na naai

    Andy
    When he joined arsenal he became more of a 10.

    109 goals and 74 assists in 402 games for arsenal is almost exactly 1 in 4
    118 goals and 17 assists in 233 games for Ajax shows he was more of a striker there who barely looked for team mates and that part of his game excelled at arsenal

    I think he became a classic 10 at arsenal. The game has changed and redefined a 10 to be more like ozil or Coutinho but the classic 10 is Bergkamp. It is Del Piero. It is Totti

  75. andy1886

    Pierre, by your way of thinking then anyone who wears a ’10’ on his back is a number ten. Different types? Yeah, Dennis was a striker – he said so. Ozil is a midfielder – that’s what he’s listed as on Arsenal.com (not a forward), and Gallas wore #10 for a while too.

    As usual your rambling makes no sense. To coin a phrase you could just keep quiet and let people think that you’re an idiot but instead you go and open your mouth and prove it.

  76. Zacharse

    Other reason we arent positioned to be dortmund 2.0 is that theres been an albatross hung on the club since the move to emirates. A bad smell. Mikels gotta clear
    That shit out before we can be aplace for youth that isnt a cesspit of toxicity. Lets be realistic

  77. Zacharse

    Thorough

    I dont know anything about Szo but i dont think van der beek, or any young world beater whose getting courted by the big continentals is going to be super eager to head our way.
    I know theres lots of talent out there. Seems like championship might be a better place to start looking considering the inconsistent, limp look our squad wavers to against championship level teams

  78. andy1886

    Un, I agree with that but the discussion was focusing on getting a modern no 10 not the old style one like Dennis which is why I said that bar Ozil we’ve never has one of those, which I believe is accurate (and why I noted the differences between them).

  79. Gentlebris

    Just like Chelsea, United and Barca are all fighting for Willian, but the lots here led by Sir P would sneer at Willian.

    Without even an assurance of the GREAT Europa league.

    People really think past glory matter in football when no one knows in what decade you will return to the CL…..plus the attraction of a rookie coach with no CV prospective quality incomings can assess.

    Reality is:

    With our current situations, If we pull off any of Coutinho or Willian, then it’s a fucking bloody coup.

    One of the reasons we ended up with Pepe at £72m was because most of the great guys wouldn’t look at people with no immediate CL status.

    And now we are not even sure Europa will be in the bag as we raid the market this TW.

    Presently, our attractiveness is just a pint above clubs like West Ham.

    So sneer away, dudes.

  80. Overmars

    Pierre is right, Arsenal fans care too much about the transfer fees and wages of players these days.

    At the moment, we’re linked with Zaha and Coutinho. Wages and fees aside, these are 2 top quality players and at 27/28 years old they are at the peak of their game. They would stroll into our first team easily.

    For years, fans moaned that we didn’t spend enough. They moaned that Wenger was always ‘penny pinching’.

    Now we have the money to spend, and even when we brought Aubameyang, people on here were saying ‘oh he’s too old’, or ‘he won’t adapt to the Premier League’, or ‘he’s a troublemaker’.

    It just goes to show that what ever Arsenal spend on a player in the transfer market, they will always get criticized needlessly by fans. God forbid they get praised.

  81. Graham62

    Has anyone mentioned Brentford on here tonight?

    Ollie Watkins is a super player.

    Congrats to The Bees.

  82. Thorough

    The Backpass.
    You actually think Arsenal can’t afford a 40 million dollar midfielder? Maybe we’re not ready to love forward then.

  83. Thorough

    Zacharse
    Once in a while you may hit it off with an occasional amazing player in the championship. But if we really wanna move forward we’ve got to shell out for the best we can get.

    See Chelsea for example, with all the midfielders they’ve got, players all over championship and elsewhere doing great, yet still had to get Ziyech and about to get Havertz.

    Its a fact of life, we have to adapt or die. And we’re dying slowly. If this billionaire can’t see that FFP at its best is lame, and he may need to invest and invest before we become something spectacular then maybe he doesn’t deserve us.

    Look at Man U, we use to laugh at them. Buying and buying but no tangible progress. But eventually they got the final piece of the puzzle in Bruno Fernandes, and the rest is history.

    We need to buy the best or forget about competing. Otherwise we would just be fooling ourselves.

  84. Left Testicle

    If Arsenal are registering an interest in Grealish can I register an interest in Margot Robbie?

  85. The backpass

    Thorough

    “The Backpass.
    You actually think Arsenal can’t afford a 40 million dollar midfielder? Maybe we’re not ready to love forward then.”

    Without Sales or kronke helping us out sadly we can’t.

    Partey for £45million to be paid once.
    Van de beek for £40 million

    That is a lot of money, lose to Chelsea and whatever we have shrinks. Sadly, we need Kronke to pump money in.

  86. Thorough

    The Backpass.
    Exactly my point. And sadly if we don’t find the money we’ll keep treading water. We need a transfer season when we’ll blow everyone out of the waters. I’m talking the kind of Malgaes, Partey, Van Der Beek, summer.

    We may even need more than one. That’s the way to go. City and Chelsea have done that and now can relax and add cherries on top. We have to invest big over 2 summers and then take it up from there.

    And I believe the money must come from outside as we have few players we can sell for good money.
    Torreira – Not playing enough.
    Guendozi – Arteta destroyed his market value
    Bellerin – Arteta foolishly thinks he’s good enough.
    Xhaka – The scariest thing I’ve heard isn’t just Arteta talking him out of a transfer but actually speaking glowingly about him. That’s cringe worthy.

    We have to invest before we sink further.

    And the investment must be huge.

  87. Bojangles

    “If we’re so he’ll bent on getting a No 10/Playmaker,then I give you a player that is like a hybrid of Szo and Coutinho, I give you Van Der Beek. 23”

    Found something to agree with Thorough about. Would be a great signing. May even have a small advantage with him too seeing as he’s trotting out DB10’s daughter. I’m sure Denis will be in his ear.

  88. Danny S

    To add to the number 10 debate.

    Andy talks about a ‘modern’ number 10. These type players sit in a hole and spray balls left and right and do very little else, they are link up players. As he correctly says, there is little space for these in the modern game.

    In the days of DB, Totti etc, they were not referred to as ‘number 10’s’. They were second strikers that sat deeper, were more creative and a bit less selfish. They assisted, but also scored a good number of goals from all over the pitch. They were also all pretty aggressive.

    Your Aimars and Riquelmes are long since things of the past with the playmaker role dropping deeper and being more involved off the ball.

  89. China1

    Overmars the goalposts moved on judging transfers for very good reason

    Context is everything

    10 years ago we could’ve bought two excellent players and been title contenders and done much better in the CL. Instead we were insisting on being clever about the final pieces of the jigsaw to be successful and we kept turning out less clever than expected

    Now arsenal are miles off the pace, the worst we’ve been for a few decades and most of the team needs replacing either urgently or within the next 2 years. Funds are tight and we need to make a bigger jump in quality than ever before for decades whilst having very limited funds to do so. We don’t have the luxury of going hard on one player and being good enough next year, we need about 4 first team players. If we jizzing silly money up the wall on players of dubious financial value (like zaha or potentially Coutinho loan) then we’ll have bugger all else for the rest of the team.

    Talk of zaha is like buying an 8 year old lambo that’s been rinsed as a Las Vegas rental car and paying $120 for the pleasure. Might be a nice car but this is not anything close to value for money

  90. China1

    120k*

    If it was 120 I’d be all over that haha

    But that’s the exact point about the difference between decent players and value for money

  91. Nelson

    Just watched a new You Tube video from Bellerin interviewing Florencia Galarza. WTF! We have a Cup final in 3 days and Bellerin is spending all the time producing You Tube video.

  92. Overmars

    China01

    I think Zaha at around 30 million pounds is great value for money, if that’s what he costs.

    We will have money this summer. Even more so with potential sales of Sokratis, Chambers/Holding, Kolasinac, Mustafi, Guendouzi, Torreira, Lacazette, Elneny, maybe Ozil. I wouldn’t worry. We’ll have enough for a couple of midfielders, a defender and a winger.

  93. CaliGooner

    Sokratis and Ozil day they won’t leave. Chambers and mustafi are hurt. No one wants elneny. Other then that you might be able to sell the rest on your list.

  94. Frank C

    Your valuations of possible outgoings is unrealistic and out of line with most recognized valuation sources.

    Certainly doesn’t help your credibility.

    And if you and other readers want to create and fantasize over proposed deals viewing them from the perspective of the club you are approaching will often lead you to a different conclusion. For example, Simeone agrees to sell Partey subject to the following: $ 45 Million cash, no installments and Martinelli. Now after Martinelli’s injury the counter would be $ 40 Million and Saka. Seems more a reasonable and convincing offer to get Simeone to move.

    Are you agreeable with such a framework?

  95. Mysticleaves

    Hey guys. Been mad busy but I am following as I can. Big ups to the daily contributors and to Pedro for giving us daily dose of agenda driven write ups. Le grove is at its finest in this format. Also shout out to Pierre for choosing to live and die by Ozil. I hope he never plays for the club again.

    After Arteta admitted we need a creative spark in the middle (Ozil doesn’t spark anything, mind). He will be foolish not to go all in for Coutinho. He’s quality, available and ready to show Liverpool what they’ve been missing. Just like Fabregas showed us with Chelsea. I don’t even care if Kia is his agent or not. He’d tremendously improve us. And let’s try to get in Partey too and sign up Ceb. Partey, Ceb, Coutinho middle 3 will be a huge jump in quality to what we have now. Nimble, fleet footed footballers that will immediately add mobility to our otherwise static midfield. And could ultimately spell the end of Xhaka. Cos he won’t be happy with a bench rule and there’s no way he’s getting in ahead of those lot

  96. China1

    Overmars if he’s 30m that’s one thing, though last summer he was over 70. I don’t think palace will touch 30 unless their finances are in a desperate state

    Secondly what does it mean for Pepe? Or you would put one of them on the left side?

  97. China1

    Frank it’s extremely unlikely arsenal are including saka or martinelli in any outgoing deals. We’d be more likely to pay the release clause in cash or bundle in other players we don’t want to sweeten the deal. Why would we sacrifice either or our two brightest prospects for Partey?

  98. China1

    The last thing we need to be spending money on is a CF even if laca is sold

    You don’t upgrade your TV when the roof is leaking and the floor is sinking

    Save a shiny new luxury CF for when the foundations are legit

  99. Sid

    Partey(13 yellows 2019/20) is no Fernadinho(7 yellows2018/19)
    Fernadinho is an intelligent refined footballer, partey is crude , agricultural like Doucure, jack of midfield trade master of none.

  100. Habesha Gooner

    This why we are not moving forward. People would rather get coutinho for a year rather than build for the next two seasons. We don’t need a big money signing. We just need the player that is signed to be a better fit for us. We were Banging on Kante and Mahrez after Leicester won the title. And they weren’t even under consideration. Last summer Hakim Ziyech was available for 25 mil. He was a really good fit for us. He defends, He scores and He creates. Pepe is good but Ziyech was better value. Now we are going for coutinho for a roll of the dice instead of building for a future? I don’t get it. Get Buendia. He is a creator that we have been lacking. Our strikers would love Buendia more than coutinho. Coutinho shoots. better but he doesn’t create better. Buendia will make our strikers better. There is also szoboszlai who isn’t PL proven like Buendia but has all the talent we need. We shouldn’t roll the dice yo get CL. We need to build with these kind of players.