OUR SUMMER IS GOING TO BE THIS:
ARSENAL OFFER <LESS THAN ASKING PRICE> TO ATLETI
ATLETI SAY NO
ARSENAL OFFER <SLIGHTLY MORE THAN PREVIOUS FAILED BID> TO ATLETI
ATLETI SAY NO
ARSENAL OFFER <SLIGHTLY MORE THAN PREVIOUS FAILED BID> TO ATLETI
… and so on.
It seems that we’ve offered them the deal I suggested a few weeks ago… they get an u20 French midfielder + some money. That is not tickling Simeone.
Remember though, Atleti is in deep shit on the money front. They used one of those fancy lending firms that ‘ease cashflow in football’ to fund a bunch of their deals, now they are drowning in shit. They likely want the £50m because that’ll help ease their €500 million debt burden. They’ll also want to save face, a bit like Palace last season with Zaha (lol).
I have no idea if they’ll do a deal with us, but it might be easier for them than forking out a double-your-salary deal for the Ghanaian.
Talks seem to be gathering pace that Dani Ceballos has no chance under Zidane next season, and he’s believed to be keen to join Arsenal for another year, when it is hoped Arsenal might be able to muster the funds to buy him. That works for me, he’s been a revelation since he returned from the breaks. He’s an all-action player that needs to work on his final ball, but it certainly looks like he could be capable of growing into that role in the double pivot. He might looks quite good next to someone like Partey.
ESR is 20! Happy Birthday, let’s hope he lands some minutes next year, the hopes are VERY high for him.
The Coutinho and Willian rumours continue to stink out the internet, I really think you need to brace for impact there. I think at least one of the players will end up at Arsenal next season. No offence to the player, who I think is decent, but the deal will just double down on two things.
- Raul doesn’t learn from his mistakes
- Leadership at Arsenal is a touch bland
- Raul and Edu do not care one jot that the English press is scrutinising their super-agent best friend deals
Edu really is embarrassing, brought in to be a fine smelling, very handsome, Invincible™-so-he-must-love-us cover to allow Raul to do whatever he pleases. It’s all super disappointing, but I won’t lose too much sleep over it until it happens. THEN I WILL NOT SLEEP AND I WILL RAGE.
David Ornstein says we’ll hear offers for Reiss, Sokratis, Holding, Guen, Torreira, and Mustafi. To be honest, I think we’d listen to offers for most of our players. There aren’t many that are indispensable.
Man, I’m depressing myself out here. A short one today, listen to my LATEST podcast with an actual person this week. Then tomorrow, we start talking FA CUP FINAL WOOO YES HIT ME WITH THE JOY BATON! No, that sounds weird. Inject joy into my veins? No… just, you know, show up tomorrow and we’ll have lovely post for you.
1st?
Boom!
Problem with trying to pay as less as possible is that United can swoop in at any time.
Utd if they buy Sancho and Partey,they will be a 90 pts team in terms of personnel
Fourthorino?
tr4phy
Bosh!
Job done. Peace out. x
Edu got as Martinelli right? He can’t be all bad.
https://metro.co.uk/2020/07/29/sokratis-papastathopoulos-agent-responds-rumours-mikel-arteta-wants-sell-arsenal-defender-13052762/?ito=newsnow-feed
What is it with our players and greed. Wouldn’t rather they get paid a bit less and play and feel important than sit on their ass? and No to Willian please. He will be another Ozil Sokratis Mustafi in a year or two.
Tbf Pepe would certainly have been a better player under big Weng,no doubt, he’s the sort of player the man likes working with,he would have provided him a platform and given him the freedom the lad needs to totally beast defenders
Haven’t heard of any other interest in Partey which is something that should be borne in mind. Yes, he’d probably improve us (difficult not to in that area of the team tbh) but is he really going to be a game changer? I’d imagine MA would like him, but only at a cost that he feels is reasonable.
PedRo
“””””Edu really is embarrassing”””””
I said that from day 1.
Raul deliberately waited a year and then dropped us this patsy,
At least with the Fat Spiv- he is good at being a Fat Spiv. He certainly sounds like one.
As for Edu.
he might as well just put his dog collar on and Kia can take him for walks around Hampstead Heath
Absolutely clueless.
“Leadership at Arsenal is a touch bland”
That’s what I call a scoop.
“Problem with trying to pay as less as possible is that United can swoop in at any time.”
Was saying the same thing to a friend yesterday.
A United Midfield three of Bruno and Pogba anchored by Party gives me anxiety
@ Habesha
It’s the culture, sit tight and take the money. If you take a look at the players we’re looking to move on how many would get the same wages elsewhere? Maybe some of the younger lads (Nelson, Guen) but PapaSok? Mustafi? Kola? Ozil? Xhaka? even Chambers or Holding? Not likely (or no chance in many cases).
As with Mikki we will probably have to give most of them away (or more likely loan a few out while subsidising their wages).
Also it’s clear the Party is Artetas main summer target in a position we’ve been lacking in pace and power since PV4 left.
Back Arteta man
The more transfers get dragged on like this the less likely its going to happen
Suarez
Higuain
Alonso
Cahill
Zaha.. Etc
Partey won’t be happening, Arsenal rarely benefits from this sort of deals when it becomes too public.
“Arsenal rarely benefits from this sort of deals when it becomes too public.”
He’s got a point, a typical Arsenal tradition.
Vintage
Matic Just signed a new contract and Mctominay had a decent Season. United aren’t in for Partey. Neither are Chelsea and Liverpool. City need one bit he isn’t going there to be Rodrigos rotation. They still have fernandinho. Tottenham though need him but may be priced out of a move. He is ours if we negotiate a price for him. He wants to come to the premier league.
£40 is more than reasonable for Party. He’s a top 5 DM in world football. He’s robust, consistent, technical with pace and power schooled under the dark arts of Dirty Diego.
We’re screaming out for a guy like him for years now
Vintage, if he’s top five in world football why aren’t bigger clubs than ours in for him? Truth is we’re not even top five in the premier league as much as it pains me to say it.
The club needs to get back to one guy in charge – the manager. Sets the playing style and specifies which players to keep or let go and who we need to buy in. The rest of the roles (Raul, Edu, etc) are ancillary to support the manager. They should all be under cover scurrying away fulfilling the manager’s wishes. The only person I want to hear from is the manager to show he’s leading this ship. Can you imagine Klopp operating with the BS which is our setup? Time for Arteta to stand up and say these are my… Read more »
“£40 is more than reasonable for Party.”
If Raul gets Partey across the line for £40, the man deserves a statue!
Player of the season vote is up and running on Arsenal.com. Choice of Auba, Leno or Saka. I voted for Auba although if the season had gone on much longer Tierney would also likely have been in the mix.
andy1886
He is a top 5 DM in the world. But teams have other issues to fix. That’s the only reason we aren’t competing with anyone yet. Rodrigo, Kimmich, Kante. He belongs to this set of players in terms of quality.
Moving players on for any type of fees is going to be much more difficult that many seem to think.
We’ll likely have to subsidise wages to get players out, and forget about any potential fees, similar to the mooted Mkhitaryan deal, interesting the player is still on our books.
I can understand the argument for renewing Nelson, Willock, Smith-Rowe, Niles, and then loaning them out, I see no argument for selling them at the bottom of the market when everyone outside billionaire owners are on their knees.
With vic on this one .We ain’t having a partey cos too much f*** ng about by Arsenal.We have a history of this & it doesn’t bode well.
Oblak to Chelsea
Leno to AM
Partey to AFC
AM keep their creditors and fans happy.
Most clubs want cash if selling but trade if buying…that’s going to be a conundrum…Post covid rapid price expectation adjustment also difficult (as real estate market for instance) and may create a long deadlock period.
I am afraid the transfer movements may be very back ended towards the later part of the window
a genuine big club would trigger the exit clause (assume one) and pay the €50m for partey and sell guendouzi to the highest bidder – cant rauls super agent friends help? seeing headlines like £50m plus guendouzi for coutinho makes u puke if we could afford 40/50m, why not van de beek? at 23 yo! the manure was to sign him but bought fernandes instead. this is sort of talent needed and from whom our kids can learn not c.30 has been @200k+ pw that rauls friends push our way –help us clear our dross at premium fees and we… Read more »
@andy1886
He really is a top 5 DM. just because other top teams haven’t bid doesn’t negate the fact as it depends on who they currently have and their needs for the season ahead.
For example Auba was a top 10 CF when we signed him despite us being a declining force. And we got him unchallenged
Partey is past 30, will not improve us creatively and has not played in a team that plays expansive football.
There are players cheaper, younger and with better passing range than Fartey
Im telling you for free!
Do we still have any scouts? You always need a 2nd choice when you try to negotiate a deal. DM is not a difficult position to play.
did edu recommend martinelli b4 he actually joined the club…
but now that he’s here…
has partey’ reported exit clause @€50m true? works out to around £44m and raul just needs to trigger and knock 4m off
Sid he’s 27 and a Defensive mid. Creativity’s not his primary job. For creativity with our budget i’d look at Buendia or maybe Benrahma even Wilian at a bush.
But NO to Coutinho at the reported £27m loan fee.
It really is a shame that we can’t make Torreira work at the base of a 3 man midfield.
He’s a decent DM and underutilised, imo. I guess his height is an issue. Still, if we can sell for £25m, no harm no foul. Replace with someone a little more dominant.
Great pod!
Partey was a beast in the second league of champions league against Liverpool. I would take him in a heartbeat, same with Coutinho not had the best couple of years but the question you have to ask is would they improve us and the answer is yes!!!
MC plays with one DM and 2 CM formation. Torr can play the DM position. But then we’ll have to play Xhaka higher up. That is a NO. Xhaka is forcing Arteta to play a double DM formation. It has the advantage of helping out our sucky CB’s. But our attackers will not get much support from our DM’s.
Lets be clear Partey is NOT 27, has poor positioning which would be disastruos in a team playing an expansive style, not good at long range pass.
If he is Artetas choice it means next season he plans on playing the same type of football we have been playing this season
Would love to know more on the insights to Edu….I may be wrong but his role is more of a co-ordinator on the football side between manager, youth and the board and is not responsible for transfers….which is Raul’s job. Also, Pete mentioned this and was also said on the Arsecast, that we should bring in a load of top young talent….Pete mentioned 5 players for the salary of Coutinho…..with what money? We spent £25m+ on Saliba who had a few games behind him. Talking upwards of 200m to sign 5 top talented players. I think these Raul needs time.… Read more »
So how old his he then sid? He’s just turned 27
I think you’ve gone to the wrong Party!
“Remember though, Atleti is in deep shit on the money front.”
Snap!
I am seeing alot if diawara links …he is more a Defensive midfielder while partey is more b2b….Lolo pellegrini ofvroma would be more interesting though.
On a serious note everyone was bitching last season over the Tierney deal, whether it was because it was too much money and he wasn’t good enough or because we wouldn’t pay a lot more for him.
We got the deal done and got a good player. If Pedro could lose the agenda bullshit I’m all up for a conversation on agent’s having too much influence in the game and how they’re paid but right now the fact remains Sanllehi produced a good window for us last summer let’s hope he can do the same again.
Parted is the most successful dribbler in Europe’s top 5 league’s, of players who’ve attempted at least 50+, with a success rate of 88.3%. But he’s also the player who’s made the most mistakes, leading to clear cut chances this season in La Liga. It’s easy to assume our lack of creativity is down to a lack of attacking midfielders, which certainly holds some truth. But it could also be our inability to beat the press, play through the lines, and get the ball early into the likes of Pepe, who constantly gets crowded out by 2-3 defenders, because our… Read more »
Nelson
Diawara has been talked about as an alternative. He is similar but he is younger and unpolished. He would need time to make an impact. And Partey Dribbles his way out some times unlike Diawara.
The summer transfer window will be a shitty one, as usual.
I’m telling you this for free!!
Well over 30 yrs, do not believe that official age.
Thomas partey 13 yellow cards during this season la liga this season.
If the intention is to play Partey as b2b there are better ones like someone commented Van de Beek is one.
Walt
“”””” but right now the fact remains Sanllehi produced a good window for us last summer let’s hope he can do the same again”””””
Bloody marvellous.
Spent £100 plus million and went from 5th to 8th.
Does anyone actually look at league tables any more ?
Maybe our coaching staff need to take a look at the barca documentary ” take the ball, pass the ball” .. Let the ball do the work. It started with cruyff who changed the way the game was played and Pep took it another step further with the pressing and splitting the centre backs to play out from the keeper. Under Emery it was ” take the ball and lose the ball ” and Arteta is fighting to return to the Arsenal/Arsene way of playing the game. Because of Wenger , Arsenal are known world wide for the quality of… Read more »
Oh i get you now Sid we’re playing silly buggers. Let me guess Auba’s 39 and Saka’s 29 next Tuesday.
Anyways i think we need three midfielders this summer if we keep cellabos. A Party type a Donny Van der Beek type and a Buendia type.
I’d sell Guen, Torriea and maybe sacrifice Laca to fund this. It’s time to fix our Center now for once and for all
I don’t think last season was good. But there’s mitigating circumstances. Tierney £25 mill, was injured, had no pre-season and is only now settling, we also lost Monreal who was our best defender. Loaning Ceballos with no option was insane, we know players take 6-12 months to settle, and only now we’re starting to see him settle, hopefully we can keep him, because I think he has a high ceiling, you can see things starting to click into place with him. Pepe wasn’t worth £72million, but you’d have to think he’ll still produce improved numbers next season. Saliba is potential,… Read more »
Sid running with his own little ‘false player age ‘ agenda.
Coutinho wont cost 27m a season.
Arteta’s handling of Guendouzi so far as proven to be wrong.
We can’t seem to raise quality amount for him and instead shopping around him for swap deals, Atletico are not stupid. Arteta has effectively devalued the worth of an asset like Guendouzi. It would have been nice if we could sell him for at least £30 million. Now we will be lucky to get £15 million, big shame.
*Shopping him around
Wasi
yeah but he would cost 22 mil including wages for a year. We could have Buendia for that fee and change permanently.
“Raul and Edu do not care one jot that the English press is scrutinising their super-agent best friend deals”
No offence, but why are Arsenal fans dying to see something good about the club in teh local press. English media is biased against the club. They always will be. its time we stop waiting for approval from them.
I would rather prefer to take some upcoming kid from teh academy than Coutinho. Coutinho is expensive and is not going to make us PL champions. why spend that much money on someone who is marginally better than what we have.
“Bloody marvellous.
Spent £100 plus million and went from 5th to 8th.@
CG
its not Raul’s fault that manager was shit. He did his job by getting the players Emery wanted.
“though you wouldnt believe it when you read the miserable bastards on Le Grove.”
🙂 Pedro. this one is on you. What the hell were you thinking.. 😛
Pierre
“”””Because of Wenger , Arsenal are known world wide for the quality of their football and the enjoyment they bring to the game, though you wouldnt believe it when you read the miserable bastards on Le Grove””””
Magnificent.
( they ain’t a happy bunch on here, that’s for sure)
Well said.
“Coutinho is expensive and is not going to make us PL champions. why spend that much money on someone who is marginally better than what we have.“
Who is Coutinho “marginally” better than at Arsenal?
“Maybe our coaching staff need to take a look at the barca documentary ” take the ball, pass the ball”
That’s all well and good but when was the last time Barca produced anyone close to Iniesta, and even Thiago?
Watch Barca now and their midfield is shit. Doesn’t matter what how many times coaches say “take the ball, pass the ball” if your players are not talented enough.
Sorry Pierre, the pass the ball to death style of play bores the living crap out of me. None of our title winning sides played that way, only latter day Barca-lite played that way and never troubled the top of the table.
You can stick to aesthetics over results if you want to but for me it’s a big old ‘no thanks’. After all, football is a sport, it’s not ballet or synchronised swimming with points for artistic impression.
Un
Already addressed the argument of youth last night, the squad is littered with it and the vague fantasy of doing a Dortmund 2.0 is precisely that when you’re in a league that has 6 CL calibre clubs.
Arsenal don’t have a midfield currently, we need to establish a competency balanced side for next season and beyond. If you spend forever concerned with the behind you miss your short term targets.
Why the fuck do you think the club is so keen on signing 31 year old Aubameyang to the highest wage at the club?
Un Depay and Lamar aren’t in the same league as Coutinho, or even the same function as players. Your Hungarian favourite isn’t joining us at 19 from Austria and being the conductor of a creative force we were missing last season this next one. Partey isn’t youth which makes my point for me you donut, we have a midfield that is crying out for established quality and suitability. Ozil – 31 Xhaka – 27 Torreira – 23 Ceballos – 23 Guendouzi – 21 Willock – 20 ESR – 20 Full of promise, but lacking maturity and some obvious characteristics the… Read more »
Habesha
Definitely , I’d be all over Buendia.
But if Arteta wants a CAM solution right now to qualify for CL next season , then Coutinho on loan is not bad unless the total package costs less than 15m total.
Un “Even if we land champions league next year.” We won’t. Top 4 next year is going to be the same as this year. We are not overtaking City & ‘pool. Chelsea and United are both strengthening their already stronger squads way beyond what we will. So the gap is going to only widen. No chance of CL for a few years. We will be fighting in the 5th to 8th bracket, and will occasionally get lucky with a club. Unless a sugar daddy pumps in a billion or half. Or if we get lucky with a couple of Coutinho/Bale… Read more »
“…will occasionally get lucky with a cup.”
If Arsenal can find a Diaby + a Cazorla + a Fabregas, we can compete for top 4.
Absolutely spot on, Pedro. You generally are when you’re feeling low and mournful. That’s the way it is at the Emirates. You say Arsenal will listen to offers for MOST players. I will go a step further: the Club will ACCEPT offers for ANY player, provided the price is high enough. Even Auba. What other choice does Arteta have? The need for an exceptional creative midfielder is paramount. Otherwise the Club is going nowhere, except maybe downwards. And (unless Edu digs up a Brazilian gem) the price will be high. Let’s hope (whoever he is) the midfield genius is an… Read more »
Wasi
“””””Coutinho on loan is not bad unless the total package costs less than 15m total.”””””
Coutinho will probably come to Arsenal kicking and screaming: he will start off well , score in 2 of his 5 games , and then loose interest when the rain comes.
An appallingly lazy signing from Arsenal.
But par for the course these days.
Barca dont want him
Bayern dont want him
So why do we ?
Think Torreira on roller skates.
“Chelsea and United are both strengthening their already stronger squads way beyond what we will. So the gap is going to only widen.“ Boring narrative. United have made 66 points the last two seasons with huge investment and OGS at the wheel. Chelsea no more than 72 points in any of the last 3 seasons. Yet every year the same thing is being written about rivals spending etc. With stable management this season we’d have comfortably returned in the low 60’s in points. So the club needs to aim to pick up 10 points realistically on that to challenge. Very… Read more »
CC – so we will add 10 points, and the others will stand still?
Would love it, but the optimism is misplaced.
Wengaball
No, we only have to concern ourselves with our own improvements. What the rest do is academic.
The history of the top 4 tells you that around 72 points is the average for making the CL over the last 15 years. Arsenal worry about that and that’s the first step regardless of eventual outcome.
Wengaball
Correct.
Our Top 4 trophy days are just memories now.
Top 6 if it clicks next season
Top 10 if it unravels.
Perdro is as usual over reacting on Raul but than that’s par for course. Remember arteta wanted Luiz contract extended, arteta wanted cedric given a 4 year deal, arteta said in a press conference to the whole world that he will have the final say in transfers so if we get Willian in, arteta would have green lighted the deal. Same for coutinho. So if arteta know what he is doing then he might be able to get value out of these players, if he doesn’t then he made some bad choices and would have to live with them. I… Read more »
The need of the hour is to change the game.
The man with the longest sword in the world doesn’t care about the man with the second largest sword. But he sure as hell worries about a small boy with a sling.
Arteta needs to invent a new way to play.
Do you know where the ‘press’ originated? In Junior League basketball – played by 12 year olds. Fascinating story, if you have never read it.
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2009/05/11/how-david-beats-goliath
I always thought Atletico were shrewd with their transfers…..getting $132m for Griezmann from Barca and all that, but then I saw they turned and spent that money and some more on a 19 year old Joao Felix.
Was that nuts or is that kid really that good?
“The need for an exceptional creative midfielder is paramount.”
I expect Arteta would train ESR to fulfill this requirement. But we don’t have another who can become a decent DM and replace the handicap Xhaka.
So now sokratis wants to cash big checks while sitting on his ass?
It’s the Arsenal way!!
“(If he is coming) ”
And that’s one fucking big “if”…
I’m quite flummoxed by the turning on Edu I really am. What has he done that’s so wrong? Or is it because of links to Kia and the one deal with him that we done? Poor lad hasn’t even got started on his first summer window and people have the pitchforks out
Un When I say we need established additions in midfield and you say ‘Partey isn’t young’, it makes my point. By your logic Ceballos is a dead end deal because it’s not long term. Was he a waste this season? Is he next season on the same terms? Yet somehow you insert Coutinho’s name and the premise of an initial loan is forsaken. “but someone who will benefit long term. That’s not a 28 yo who’s been hawked around Europe for 1 season“ This is just nonsense. He turned 28 last month and spent a year on loan at Bayern… Read more »
If AM insist that Partey buys himself out of his contract, as opposed to a conventional transfer and fee, then it’s going to cost a whole lot more than €50 million. but irrespective whatever the sum would be would have to be paid in its entirety upfront
AM need cash and need it quickly .
Joelson renews with Sporting
Habesha
Definitely , I’d be all over Buendia.
But if Arteta wants a CAM solution right now to qualify for CL next season , then Coutinho on loan is not bad unless the total package costs less than 15m total. And ofc am option to buy about 50-60m later.
Cg
Coutinho is a world class player. Period. He will be the best player in our team if he comes here and has the ability to single handedly solve the creativity issue.
He’s also put up 20 g/a seasons consistently for last few years.
With Coutinho in , we wont suffer against deep blocks and to get top 4 that is paramount.
Yeah Coutinho’s 28 he’s hardly at the end of his career. In saying that I would prefer a Szoboszlai, Almada, Ihatteran, David type who’s got some serious promise going for them but who’s to say if it’s one creative type going to be targeted.
Going off the last two seasons, ESR will match anything Ozil has given us. That’s one player I want to see more of next season.
Where will we find 15 million for a loan for Coutinho when we can’t afford to sign Ceballos permanently?
We are seeking extend his loan rather than just purchase him.
CG
“Because of Wenger”, Arsenal also became the butt of so many jokes as the years progressed under his leadership.
Those that sat and tolerated these jokes, are the same folk that are only now questioning so many aspects of the clubs operation.
Strange that.
As for Coutinho.
Yes please!
Still amused by all those fans who still believes – even after all this time – that our transfer window will be hugely animated…
I mean, c’mon guys… lol
Can anyone explain to me how the fudge(why) 600, 000 Brits are on holiday in Spain at present?
Is this what they say is acting responsibly?
“Yeh, but I need to get a suntan and eat my Fish and Chips on foreign soil”
Plonkers!
Graham
What’s pissing me off is the media’s response to the quarantine instructions – they slag off the government for implementing it yet would slag the government off if they hadn’t.
A front three of Zaha, Aubameyang and Pepe is fun until it’s time for AFCON.
Palace are still going to want a fortune for Zaha – we don’t have the money even if we wanted to buy him.