Bartering season is HUGE opp – don’t blow it on super-agents

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Well good morning to yah! Feels maybe a little too early to dive into FA Cup stuff, we’re still dealing with the dusty remnants of the Premier League season.

I think universally, there is a deep worry that Raul and Edu are going to do exactly what they did in January and dial-up their best pals Kia and Canales and let them handle the summer.

What is happening right now in the press is a reflection of that… or, it’s posturing from said agents to try and get their clients a move or a new deal.

We were linked to Kurzawa in January. I’ve suspect Kia used his faux ‘I’m actually on the board at Arsenal’ business card to secure a new deal for his full-back. That’s part of the grey world he’s creating for himself, his not so subtle powerplay that he can use speculation around Arsenal because it’s clear it ‘could’ be true.

Yesterday, the morning started off by saying Willian was going to sign for Chelsea. By the evening Fabrizio and Steinberg had said he was leaning on Arsenal because we’d give him a 3-year deal. Smoke? I had been told this deal was as good as done before the covid outbreak. So I would say there is a high probability Raul is once again plotting to pull Arsenal back into the top 4 by dishing out a longterm deal to someone that will have no resale value after 3 years, and someone that’ll likely want a huge pay rise to join. These sorts of deals are bad for Arsenal football club and they keep us on the same track that has given us little resale value in our squad and drained the coffers of wages.

£180k a week, which is what I’d imagine he’ll command at a minimum, could be spent on 4 top youngsters from Europe, one of which might bring us in Matteo like revenue. Why oh why would you invest in Kia again, when the business sense is in rectifying the huge problem we’ve got with bloated wage bills and players who don’t want to leave. If we had an actual CEO, they’d scrutinise this deal, the value, and our historical track record of getting shafted everytime we make these signings (Cech, Gallas, Silvestre, Yossi), and veto it. Raul should be told to come back with something a little more creative and he should be told that it is looking very odd that he keeps going back to the Technical Directors agent for deals.

Here is why Willian would be bad business:

Mustafi didn’t want to leave last summer, now he won’t this window because he has an injury, but last season, it was rumoured he liked his deal.

David Luiz was brought in on a front weighted deal that worked out to about £200k a week.

Sokratis has leaked to the press he doesn’t want to leave he wants to stay and fight for his place in the first team. He knows there’s no chance of that, but he likes his huge contract that no one else will give him.

We rinse and repeat these horrible deals then blame Stan Kroenke for not spending enough money. Here’s the thing, Chelsea are a very clever club, if they don’t have a 3 year deal on the table, you have to ask yourself, why?

Expense > Deprectiating talent > Better value in youth

Don’t even get me started on a £27m loan deal for Coutinho who commands £250k a week. Sure, he’s an exciting player, but how are we in a position to chop everyone’s salary by 10%, but then take on a player with a hugely inflated deal who has tanked at Barcelona? He is literally called out as one of the worst deals in history in Spain and they’ve made quite a few shocking errors of late.

The only person that should be getting the big money this summer is Auba and even there it is a risk if you wanted to be truly forward-facing.

Thomas Partey is rumoured to be on the table still, we’re apparently trying to swap a player with them, some saying LT. Brilliant move. A player we can all agree on, for starters, he’s actually on the up. We need a 6. He’s athletic, he’s technical, he’s played in a Simeone press so he’ll be driven and outrageously tuned for discipline. That would be a monumental move for Arsenal.

… but it doesn’t matter if you then go out and bring in a whole crop of souring older players in his backdraft.

A proper club would address the issues and reset a transfer strategy that has us in 8th. We know the core problems at Arsenal are centred around creativity and athleticism. Our scouts and analysts should be compiling lists of players that fit the criteria. We have sharp scouts and elite analysts, they are good, they just need to be activated. You’ll have the obvious names at the higher end of our budget, but the data crunchers should be identifying different tiers of risk. Players that have the attributes, but need a bit of coaching. Players crushing it in lower leagues that might need longer to adapt. Players that have outrageous talent but are bench-warming under a new manager that doesn’t like that (PV04 > Milan).

We don’t need to spend this summer forking out for expensive loans. We should be exiting players we know we don’t want, drastically lowering our wage bill so we are a leaner business, and we should be starting the process of bringing in young talent of varying experience we can coach and kickstart our selling process. The culture reset needs to be harsh because the rot is so deep. The talent reset needs to look different to the last 5 summers.

Mikel Arteta has to be a strong voice in these conversations. Raul likely railroads Edu, because I can’t believe the Brazilian arrived here with the same taste in players as Canales, Kia and that other hanger-on. If he doesn’t speak up, he’ll become Emery MKII, bemoaning a Pepe signing because he didn’t have the gravitas to force a move for Zaha. We missed out on 3rd this year by 10 points. I am sure if Mikel had been in at the start of the season, we’d have been more competitive. Those were an easy 10 points to make up. However, it won’t be like that next season. We will need mid-70s to compete. That means we have to make up 20 points in the league.

Spurs will invest in an already good squad.

Chelsea have added 3 absolutely top class players already.

United don’t have a great manager, but they throw huge piles of cash at him, there’s simply no way Jadon doesn’t progress that side up the table

City are about to drop £300m

Liverpool might not spend wildly, but adding Alcantara makes them better, and they are the smartest team in world football. They won’t miss.

Leicester will build. Everton will build. Wolves will build.

Blowing our money on more loans, more average free transfers, and names that don’t come from the on-staff talent reccos will see us swim around in average. I don’t want to battle for 5th again. That is not Arsenal level.

We have options this summer.

  • Torreira – 30m
  • Guen – 40m
  • Lacazette – 40m
  • Hector – 30m
  • AMN – 30m
  • Auba – 50m (if his dad is to be believed)
  • Holding 15m
  • Sokratis 5m
  • Kola 10m
  • Xhaka 30m
  • Reiss 20m

I’m not saying all those players should go, or that the values are bang on, but I am saying they are bartering chips in a market that is looking for security (players will leave to get a longer deal, because who know what happens with covid in round two). Someone raised the point that a lot of the players won’t want to leave the UK. We have more money and it’s easier to stay put in a world of pandemic. So there could be a lot of swapping locally. I think if the Arthur deal showed anything, clubs are willing to put cash on the books to help their balance sheets, so we know a big name like Lacazette is going to be appealing.

However you cut it, there are ways to bring in players… the swap mechanic is going to make this a once in a lifetime chance to get players off the book, and take players from financially stressed clubs, of which there are a lot.

So let’s not blow it with another year of Barca-lite bollocks that we know won’t move us forward.

Interestingly, stories are popping out about Arteta bringing in new coaches this summer. I mentioned this a few weeks ago, but I think there will be a big shake-up in Arsenal’s backroom. I think you’ll see a lot of staff leave as the club continues to trim and reshape for a much, much leaner year where we’ll likely be 10% down on stadium revenue.

That’s why it is inconceivable that on the one hand we can ask players and staff to take a hit financially, but on the other, gift out huge fees to agents that offer us absolutely fuck all value.

Right, see you in the comments.

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  1. The Godfather

    “ We rinse and repeat these horrible deals then blame Stan Kroenke for not spending enough money. ”

    @Pedro:

    I’m so happy you are saying this.
    I’ve been on this same message for the past five years but Arsenal fans don’t want to see past their noses. It’s not Kroenke but the fools misusing the funds!!!

    In what world would Pepe be worth £70 mill plus?
    That’s blood grand larceny in plain sight!
    Someone should be fired for that!

    Ozil at 350 k per week when no decent club in Europe would go near him with six months left on a contract?

    Utter madness and gross incompetence

  2. The Godfather

    It’s amazing how much mileage we got out of great deals with

    Santi
    Alexis
    Monreal

    And then blew it by overpaying for average dross like
    Ozil
    Haka
    Lacazette
    Mustafi
    Pepe
    Cech
    Luiz

    Just bloody foolish

  3. The Godfather

    If Emery had insisted and been given the money spent on Luiz and Pepe and bought Upemecano and Partey he would still be in a job and we’d be looking at a team for next season with

    Tierney
    Upamecano
    Saliba
    Bellerin

    With Partey patrolling the middle.

    That’s a spine worth building a title contender on with two solid goalies in Leno and Martinez …. ahhh whatever

  4. Ishola70

    If we brought in a real bona fide no.9 who can score his share of goals plus be good at hold up play and bringing others into play in place of Lacazette this team could improve very much.

    The bonafide no9 would be beneficial to the team in both contributing some goals and overall team play and we would still have Auba doing his thing coming in from the left. And this would in turn see the team being less reliant on one player to score the goals.

    Unfortunately I think Lacazette is quite happy at Arsenal and will not be going anywhere.

  5. Ishola70

    Auba is good now in the scoring stakes from the left.

    He could be even better for the team with a foil playing central for him. A genuine no.9 to assist him.

  6. Nelson

    I fully agree that our board makes a lot of mistakes. I believe that Arteta will have his say this time. He said that he has a direct line to KSE and they would be very careful not to make mistake. Let’s see what happens first in this TW. If we are again buying wingers and ignoring the CM requirement, then Arteta should also be responsible.

  7. Champagne Charlie

    Maybe the club sees Willian as a good bridge for the gap between Saka, Martinelli, Nelson, and maybe Joelson becoming more mature options for us?

    You’re pushing real hard with the super agent thing, Arsenal quite clearly need some talent that can be applied next season. Project Dortmund isn’t as straightforward when there’s 5 other mega rich clubs chomping for 4 places.

    Thomas Partey is brilliant and on the up…at 27

    Meanwhile Coutinho is washed up Barca flop….at 28

    Kia is having a real influence alright, seems to be in the stance you take towards a deal. Not looking too balanced there when it comes to Kia players. Super agents are murky, but they’re also valuable when applied correctly.

  8. Ishola70

    Auba’s strength is is running off defenders and receiving.

    He would have a lot of fun running off an Arsenal no.9.

  9. Marko

    At the risk of a ban (yet again on the subject) we will not be able to “barter” for good talent this summer without a so called super agent being involved. Swap deals are notoriously difficult. But again not to worry lads the super agents aren’t taking over Arsenal anytime soon we’ve only dealt with Kia on one deal and I for one wouldn’t turn my nose up at him helping us secure Coutinho this summer or a young talent from Portugal compared to a young Cristiano Ronaldo. Just me though

  10. Un na naai

    Saka shouldn’t be a guaranteed starter
    He’s a kid. He’s fucking awesome and I really love him but inconsistency is pr for the course at his age.
    That said, the sad fact is that we can’t afford a new winger and 2 mids and a cb of the requisite quality needed for the coming season. What we really really need is 2 creative players and potentially man in the middle of the park who runs that midfield.

    Fuck knows what we are going to do this summer. It’s looking like bargain basement as things stand. That means depay at £25m could be out of our reach.
    We really need Pepe to come good next season. He’s 25. Had a decent first season under his belt and he should be ready. We’ve put all our financial eggs in that basket and he needs to become the player he can be. Not just moments and stats but when he gets the ball he terrifies the opposition. They already double up on him so he needs the structural support that Aubameyang is kind of stealing on the left side because he can’t do anything with the ball in the build up.
    I’m not a fan of Aubameyang as 9 because of this but we could move him up (if he stays) put depay and buendia or grealish or whoever in the middle and allow Pepe the support he needs to flourish with other game changers to lift the burden

    The opposition know that if they double up on Pepe we’ve fuck all creative outlet
    Get a grealish and a depay in that team with Aubameyang in the box and you give the entire defence a lot of decisions to make over who they double up on. It creates space for everyone else

    Having one dangerous creator allows the opposition to focus on cutting his supply lines and nullifies us as an attacking side

    Too predictable

  11. Marko

    I’m not gonna argue pointlessly with you for the entire day Ishola it’s stupid. You’re dim if you don’t think one of the most prolific strikers in European football the last number of years (from CF) can’t play centrally because he doesn’t meet your criteria for “bonafide”. It’s beyond dumb. That’s 209 goals the last 7 seasons. If a winger was doing that I swear

  12. The backpass

    Cc

    “Why obviously? Our ills have been more a result of midfield imo, so ima asking in isolation how the two front three’s compare. Consider both with an upgraded midfield”

    We hardly create chances, getting a CAM is all well and good, but being able to hold the ball and create chances from our wingers would improve us.

    Adding option 1 with a CAM would improve us, but it would be lopsidded because of Lacazette who would always drop deep and Auba being a shit dribbler gives us nothing but goals on the wing.

    Option 2 with a CAM simply elevates our forward play… Two highly creative wingers on the wing and an AM/8 hybrid.

    Option 2 with an attacking midfielder.

  13. Champagne Charlie

    Can only see Guendouzi, Laca, and Torreira being swapped outside the PL.

    Think we should be heavy on loaning young talent to teams like Palace/Norwich for players of interest like Buendia and Zaha. Cannot be aiming for a revolution next season with a bunch of players that have adjustment issues to make coming into the league.

    Willian, Zaha, Buendia, Grealish, Ake, Aarons, Deulofeu have a lot going for them on the acclimatisation front. Not to be sniffed at.

  14. The backpass

    “The opposition know that if they double up on Pepe we’ve fuck all creative outlet
    Get a grealish and a depay in that team with Aubameyang in the box and you give the entire defence a lot of decisions to make over who they double up on. It creates space for everyone elseHaving one dangerous creator allows the opposition to focus on cutting his supply lines and nullifies us as an attacking side
    Too predictable”

    My point exactly.

  15. Radio Raheem

    Pedro

    I agree with most of your post. Well said. I’ll be reluctant to rule out (super) agents completely. They can also be useful we just need to use them to suit our ends and in combination with data analysis.

    What you describe is part of what I was saying about how the Premier league is inefficient. Too much easy money no one wants to graft.

    Last time we played Villa I was shocked to see Reyna was in goal. I mean is Reyna the best possible goalie Villa could get with the wages offered? In their top 20 goalies they could possibly get? 7 billion in the world over 300 million in Europe, over 60 million in the UK and football is the most popular sport.

  16. Up 4 grabs now

    Why not put pepe up top with auba on the left.
    He’s slightly taller than lacazette and with him running inside the box with his twisting and turning should draw a lot of fouls for penalties.

    I’d rather try him than carry on with laca who looks more intrested in getting caught up in arguements with the opposition.

  17. Ishola70

    It’s not that be can’t play centrally Marko.

    It’s only that he doesn’t provide an all round game centrally.

    I’ve said to you before it’s all well and good lauding the amount of goals Auba gets but if this team could get in a striker that does have more of an overall game centrally plus Auba this team as a whole can improve and be less reliant on one player to score the goals for the team.

  18. Marko

    Not looking too balanced there when it comes to Kia players. Super agents are murky, but they’re also valuable when applied correctly.

    Pretty much how I feel. They generally have a stable of talent that we should be looking at signing so to completely dismiss them is a bit weird to me. Like I said previously if Wenger wasn’t so against working with them we would have had better players over the years and been more successful for sure. Had we been more connected with someone like Jorge Mendes who knows right now we could have Neves and Jota and Traore instead of wolves.

  19. Marko

    It’s not that be can’t play centrally Marko.It’s only that he doesn’t provide an all round game centrally.

    Goal posts moving. Just stop

  20. Ishola70

    Willian is still a good to decent performer but it’s not good for the image of the club to keep on acquiring players that are nearing the end of their careers from other big sides.

    It gives the impression of taking the left overs.

  21. Habesha Gooner

    A good Summer with money restrictions and due to artetas wishes would Be Ceballos on loan,Buendia, Partey, Benahrma, Disasi (or Sarr on a free if there’s no money left(. Sell Lacazette, Mustafi, Sokratis, Guendouzi (still think it’s a mistake), Niles, Holding.

  22. Un na naai

    Or if auba is refusing to sign then use him for Jovic and Guendouzi for Cabellos. Double swap with Madrid
    Use Torreira for Partey

    Sell Lacazette for £40-£45m
    Kolasinac £10-15m
    Sokratis for £3-5m
    Elneny £5m
    Holding £15m
    Mkhitaryan and ozil’s wage off the bookies is £30m
    That’s another £60m- £100mDepending on if you can get ozil to walk the plank

    There’s loads of players in that range we could go in for
    Lemar, Buendia, Depay, Almada, Dani Carvajal, Luiz Alberto, Jack fucking Grealish.

    That’s without having to spend a penny from our coffees or whatever our original budget would have been.

    Our wage bill would be much much lower and our first team would be much better

  23. Ishola70

    And if you keep taking the left overs from clubs don’t be surprised if you finish below them in the league table.

  24. The backpass

    CX

    “BackpassWhat’s your idea of a good summer with all the noises thus far?”

    Willian, Szbozolai, Partey, ceballos on loan with Obligation to buy (£22-25 million), Gabriel Magalhaes.

    I would be okay with that due to where we are financially.

    But, I’d prefer Benhrama (Depay), Grealish, Partey and Gabriel Magalhaes.

  25. Marko

    Cannot be aiming for a revolution next season with a bunch of players that have adjustment issues to make coming into the league.

    Can’t be waiving another season now Charles come on. We need quality additions who the fuck cares about adjustments and premier league experience. It didn’t count for much for those relegated players mentioned. Besides there’s just as many examples of players adjusting alright as there is of players not. Can’t talk up having a plan and a vision for Arsenal and then add in a rigid requirement like must have premier league experience or need little time to adjust. That’s just me though

  26. Champagne Charlie

    Ishola

    What, like spending 18 mil on Giroud at 31?

    I couldn’t give two shits about “impressions”, it’s about whether the player in question enhances your chances of whatever your goals are.

    How many Chelsea fans are crying about the Giroud deal after he’s banged them top 4?

    Same number of Arsenal fans that would moan if Willian came here and bossed it.

  27. Sid

    Vardy, Thierry are not great at hold up play, all you need is a midfield that can create and retain the ball
    Nightmares are made of Giroud as CF with our current midfield

  28. Un na naai

    Backpass

    Yeah Szoboszlai. How could I forget him. Super talented player. And Sarr from Lille on a free. There is so much value to be had out there if our execs can get heir shit together and use the value in our squad fro profit. I know many here like to pretend it’s not possible but when you can get £40m for iwobi and Bielik…

  29. Champagne Charlie

    Marko

    Nothing rigid about it, just something to be mindful of when recruiting. I know you go hard for Pepe, but in the same breath people are urged refrain from criticism because of his adjustment to English football correct? Well 5 of those next season AND having top 4 aims a lot.

    Partey is elite, no worries. But I see value in Coutinho, Zaha, Willian, Buendia et al because of their prem experience and their ability. It’s not a matter of prem experience trumping quality, don’t conflate it.

  30. Marko

    Arsenal are willing to listen to offers for Rob Holding, Sokratis and Mustafi. They want to bring in another central defender. [@David_Ornstein]

    Thank fuck for that. Another CB incoming

  31. Ishola70

    The Giroud and Willian situations are slightly different Charlie.

    You know as everyone does that Chelsea signed Giroud as a squad player. That he turned out useful for them in the second period of the season doesn’t mean that the initial idea of him being a squad player purchase diminishes.

    On the other hand Willian for Arsenal would be a first team signing no doubt.

    There is a difference in picking up players as squad rotation players from clubs rather than picking their left overs as first team picks.

  32. Batistuta

    Would be stupid again to pick up another oldie from Chelsea, it’s like we never learn.

    I’d only sniff at Pasalic who’s on loan at Atlanta if i were taking anyone from the blues. Stop taking other teams rejects.

    We’ve paid dearly for Cech and Luiz and now we’re looking to take another of their oldies who’ll obviously not come cheap, it’s stupid, utterly pointless too

  33. Radio Raheem

    One injury probe, one old and shit and the last one is injured. The buyers will be queueing up I’m sure 😂😂

  34. Sid

    Elneny, mikhi, holding, mustafinovs, Xhakalson, Sok, Ozil,Kola, Soares, Bell each at 1m

    Plus Laca for 35m,
    Makes 45m for Partey

    Im telling you for free!

  35. Champagne Charlie

    Ishola

    Did they fuck, they had Higuain on loan stinking out the place. And again it’s not a matter of intention, it’s a matter of usefulness to the cause.

    If Arsenal see Willian as a starter and he delivers a high level what is your actual gripe here?

    Are you saying he’s not good enough to do that? Or you’re just perpetuating this wank ‘impressions’ argument or getting hurt by rival fans shouting cast offs for the bantz?

  36. Batistuta

    If we’re looking to offload Mustafi and he’ll likely want to stay in London, we could do some kind of deal with Crystal Palace for Zaha, surely he’ll be an upgrade for them compared to Cahill and Dann and Sakho.

  37. Champagne Charlie

    Palace are desperate for a defender apparently, would be all over sending them Holding for Zaha.

  38. Marko

    Charles it is a bit rigid though. If we applied that kind of thinking years ago we would have never signed up the likes of Cazorla or Rosicky or Hleb etc etc. My point is if Mikel has a plan a vision and this player from Valencia or Salzburg or wherever fits it then by all means we should go for it. I’ve never bought into the importance of having premier league experience honestly given so many of the premier league’s best players have been foreign signings. But it’s not worth arguing about honestly I’m assuming that Mikel’s not going to be focused on such things when considering the overall quality of a player

  39. Batistuta

    Charlie

    I quit get where Ishola is coming from, the last two players we’ve gotten from Chelsea have been atrocious, utterly useless, we can and should do better as a club especially as it’s going to be a free transfer and won’t come cheap at all. Surely better and smarter options in the market than Willian

  40. Gbat

    Willian is a very good player who would improve us. He’s coming off a very good season. You’d expect him to hit the ground running.

    A younger player may be cheaper and have sell on value but will they perform to the same level. Pepe for example has been underwhelming. It’s about weighing up the pros and cons.

  41. Up 4 grabs now

    Marko,

    The only problem with that is mustafi probably wont be fit till later near the end of the year after the window shuts in October.
    We wont get much for sokratis and that’s if he will leave.

    I still think there’s a player there in holding if he had a decent partner alongside him to learn from.

    At the minute he looks poor playing alongside the likes of luiz mustafi or kolasinac.

  42. Ishola70

    Charlie

    If Giroud was seen as a definite first team signing for Chelsea he would have been in their first team from the off but he wasn’t.

    Abrahams was seen as first choice and Giroud was sitting his arse on the bench.

    And if Giroud couldn’t even get into that team from the start that tells you all you need to know about what sort of purchase they saw Giroud as.

  43. Batistuta

    Also hope there’s a plan for the youngsters like Nelson and Willock and Nketiah, just not entirely been convinced by any of them, a loan to a West brom or Brighton or Villa even will do them a whole world of good, also helps raise their profile for us to cash in on them

  44. Un na naai

    SidJuly 28, 2020 14:49:18
    Vardy, Thierry are not great at hold up play, all you need is a midfield that can create and retain the ball
    Nightmares are made of Giroud as CF with our current midfield

    Sid
    Henry didn’t play as a lone 9 til later in he career and he could do EVERYTHING Aubameyang can’t. Dribble, pass, cross, long range. Everything

    Don’t try to compare Henry to Aubameyang. It’s not very wise

  45. Champagne Charlie

    Marko

    Can you stop straw manning the point? I’m never against international imports, I’m just saying there’s real value on these shores often overlooked. If we’d turned a gaze inward in that same time we’d have gotten Jonny Evans for £2.50, Gary Cahill for 10 mil et al. I’m saying a nice blend of talent coming in would help the transition.

    Bati
    I’m not batting for Willian, I’ve already said I’m dubious of that deal and would much rather 27 year old Zaha if it’s a winger we want. But…..I don’t care for this talk of players being cast offs etc. Chelsea have offered him a deal, he’s not a lemon. I’d prefer others, but being bantered off by chavs isn’t a consideration.

  46. Batistuta

    Marko

    Yea forgot about that. Again though, better deals out there than a William in my opinion, can’t be a good thing taking cast offs from one of your biggest rivals 3/4 years in a row

  47. Habesha Gooner

    Other than Partey, I don’t want stupid money spent this summer. There are players that are about to explode upto 30 mil max. Benahrma, Buendia, Disasi, Szoboszlai, Ceballos on loan all in our range and in low wages. We need to play it right.

  48. Champagne Charlie

    “And if Giroud couldn’t even get into that team from the start that tells you all you need to know about what sort of purchase they saw Giroud as“

    They paid us 18 mil for him at 31, the intention is irrelevant. He improved them.

    Does Willian improve us? Yes or no.

  49. Ishola70

    Arsenal have to stop being a last big pay cheque club for players nearing the end of their careers from other big sides.

    It will get to the stage where word gets around with all these senior players at the bigger clubs. When my contract ends when i’m over 30 there is always the option of going to Arsenal. And yeah guess what? I actually get a pay increase coming to the end of my career when I move to Arsenal. These old boys from the bigger clubs will be breaking down the door to join Arsenal.

  50. Champagne Charlie

    Orny also says Laca and Nelson could leave if good offered come in.

    Good, it’s open season at the club (as it should be). That gives us more scope to conjure deals, and seems to quash the idea about Arteta protecting anyone.

  51. Marko

    I’m just saying there’s real value on these shores often overlooked.

    Is there though? I mean is there really? Jack Graelish apparently being priced at 80 million and Benrahma is being priced at 30 million. I’d say there’s some value overlooked on these shores but most of the time no. You want to talk real value have a look at Southampton apparently close to signing up Mohammed Salisu for less than what we paid for Mari coming off the back of a good season at Valladolid.

  52. Batistuta

    I’d be bantering our rivals off too if we’ve sold them two of our players who’ve gone on to cost them points and maybe a trophy when they joined them. Cech was horrible, Luis has been a disaster, any sensible club would steer clear.

  53. Champagne Charlie

    Marko

    You’re straw manning again…

    Grealish and Benrahna are the two cherries in either league and you’re using that as a baseline. Wtf are you doing.

    Liverpool has Wijnaldum and Mane in their side that were able to walk in and deliver because they played here. No different to your Buendia’s or Ake’s

  54. CG

    Great post.

    Arsenal under Mr.A.Wenger esq. never dealt with these sleazeballs ( agents )and in 2 decades under his exemplary management did Arsenal ever finish a season in 8th.

    They are not needed,
    They should not be encouraged or lauded
    They should never be in The Arsenal’s Directors Box.

    PedRo has been unflinching in his efforts in highlighting the damage these Spivs have done to the club and he should be commended for his efforts.

    Summary:

    Agents especially ‘Super Agents’ are the scum of the earth. And we need to drive them out of the game.

    Ps. Bit like the current Netflix drama with the mafia in the 1980′ s in New York.

    So it can be done.

  55. The backpass

    Batistuta

    “I’d be bantering our rivals off too if we’ve sold them two of our players who’ve gone on to cost them points and maybe a trophy when they joined them. Cech was horrible, Luis has been a disaster, any sensible club would steer clear.”

    The thing is we are not financially capable of buying a top class winger. Willian would be the best winger at the club, and with our finances it makes sense.

  56. NEEG

    AFC is currently in such a mess at this time the Emirates should be renamed Ashburton Sewage Farm. What do you get in sewage farms – shit and that is exactly what a lot of our players are. They are also overpaid shit. How do you move shit – a big shovel. Everybody in the football world knows we are in the brown stuff and negotiating will be difficult. Moving our pile will be incredibly difficult but is achievable – it will need several right offs because of the high wage ticket we have placed around the neck of the players we need to move on.
    Buendia has been mentioned – Ed will deal and take Holding off our hands. Money going one way plus free shit. A decent player coming back.

  57. Jim Lahey

    For me this summer:

    Max Aarons
    Emi Buendía
    Thomas Partey

    Would like a new CB if that wasn’t too much trouble.

    The two players from Norwich should not break the bank.

  58. HighburyLegend

    Time to laugh a little, time to let Un na naai tell us why Luiz is a top world class defender.

  59. Champagne Charlie

    HL

    Contribute to the football or fuck off you boring cunt. As clueless with posters as you are anything else clearly.

  60. DigitalBob

    Great post Pedro, I agree being lumbered with has-beens and not learning from the transfer mistakes of the last few years is immensely worrying. I really hope its not the case.

    Willian is productive(at the moment) and I’m sure Coutinho would provide us with some much needed creativity but is the overall cost worth it?

    I’d rather not sign either and hope Pepe/EMR/Nelson and of course Saka push on next season.

  61. Emiratesstroller

    I must express concern at the scatter gun approach of Arsenal’s current alleged
    dealings in the transfer market.

    I agree that Partey would be an obvious acquisition as he is an experienced player in his prime and will probably offer “leadership and control” in midfield.

    Whilst I was not particularly impressed with Ceballos earlier in season he has
    started to improve recently and we need more bodies in midfield of the right
    age and experience.

    I see no logic in bringing in Coutinho. There is the potential of a repeat of our
    experience with Ozil. That is certainly not serving the best interest of club although I would concede that this player has first hand experience of playing in EPL.

    I am opposed to recruiting William even if he is a brilliant player. Do we need
    really yet another Chelsea cast off in his 30s? Why do we keep on repeating
    the same experience we have had with Gallas, Cech and Luiz? All in their 30s
    when recruited and past their peak.

    Again do we need to spend a large transfer fee for Fernandes a 17 year old who
    has not even played a dozen games in first team of Porto?

    Where will Coutinho, Willian and Fernandes play in next season’s lineup and
    replace who in the team?

  62. The backpass

    Emirates.

    “Where will Coutinho, Willian and Fernandes play in next season’s lineup and
    replace who in the team?”

    Willian has always been a left winger for shaktar donesk and according to him that is his best position. Lacazette will be sold or dropped to the bench.

    Coutinho would be the CAM…although i doubt we get him due to finances.

    Fernandez is 17 years, and we’ve not been linked to him by any English journalist. I guess its Kia trying to give his client a good deal.

  63. Up 4 grabs now

    Mario gotze is 28 on a free.
    Maybe with a point to prove? Three goals from 5 starts 10 sub appearances.

    Could add some creativity up top.

  64. andy1886

    Mustafi must be gutted, probably his best season in a long time and he’s in the ‘out’ tray (not that he can go while out injured) and meanwhile David ‘Hand Grenade’ Luiz gets a new deal.

    And no to Willian too, on £180k/wk for three years that’s £28m plus signing on fee, agents fee etc. (upwards of £30m total). Would likely become a mini-Ozil at some point.

  65. Tom

    Giroud improved Chelsea because he gave them another dimension they didn’t have. Actually he gave them two: a physical presence in the box with great heading ability, and second to none link up play with Hazard.
    There isn’t a better big man around with ball at his feet than Giroud, as a matter of fact his touch is on par with anyone’s.
    Speed was never his forte so getting him at 31 didn’t make any difference for Chelsea.

    Willian is a tricky winger with speed, dribbling ability and an eye for goal who would improve Arsenal no doubt, but at 32 , and on a three year deal, this would be a deal I’d probably stay away from, even though I do like him a lot.

  66. The backpass

    “And no to Willian too, on £180k/wk for three years that’s £28m plus signing on fee, agents fee etc. (upwards of £30m total). Would likely become a mini-Ozil at some point.”

    Well, Ornstein said Arteta wants a winger, and i doubt we give him 3 years…it would be 2 + one year club option. For £20-30 million for 2-3 years is good, gives time for Martinelli and Saka to grow without being pressured.

  67. Tom

    Andy
    Willian is a consummate professional willing to do heavy lifting for his coach and team so I don’t think he would turn out anything like Ozil.

  68. Dissenter

    CC
    Did you just call for us to sign Zaha, once season after we signed Pepe… or are you just arguing in favor of the concept of a younger player?
    I ask because signing another 60 million plus valued winger now is like signing Auba 5 months after we signed Lacazette for 50 million.

    Don’t you think William on a three year deal is going to block the path of Saka, Martinelli and Reiss Nelson?

  69. wattsy

    We need a Santi and a Gilberto plus a George Armstrong from back in the day.

    George bless him did the same thing week in week out, mostly left side, got the ball ran his marker down the wing and crossed the ball, Very simple very effective he rarely failed in his objective which was to cross the ball,

    If we can get Pep to do that bloody great, but not likely

  70. Pedro

    Diss, the problem with Willian is he won’t block those young players, then he’ll become a 180k a week impact sub.

    Agree that we don’t want carnage next season, but we also don’t want stasis. There has to be a moment when we course correct the wastage

  71. Ishola70

    This grow without being pressured line.

    Taking away playing time from Saka is not going to improve him. In fact it can stagnate him.

    He’s either a top youngster or he isn’t. If he’s a top youngster he can play most weeks and talk of “pressure” doesn’t even come into it.

  72. CG

    Tom

    “””””Willian is a tricky winger with speed, dribbling ability and an eye for goal who would improve Arsenal no doubt,””””””

    Why would he improve us?
    We have tricky wingers with speed and with dribbling ability, already

    Pepe
    Saka
    Nelson
    Marinelli
    PEA if necessary

    the only thing Willam improves is his & sleazeball Kia’s bank balance.

    No more left over, rejects, ( especially Chelsea ones ) wastrels, has beens or dregs.

    Maybe do what Bayern do:

    Aarons

    Maybe do what Dortmund do:

    Bellingham

    NO MORE GARBAGE!

  73. Dissenter

    I’m struggling with the notion of selling the few sale-able assets in the squad just to pursue sugar high short term deals. That’s like withdrawing from your pension account to buy a Ferrari so that you can date a hot model.

    We need to articulate what we are trying to do here. Arsenal is like Sisyphus,
    the Greek mythological dude just doing pointless task of pushing a boulder up a mountain, only to see it roll down again

  74. Champagne Charlie

    “Did you just call for us to sign Zaha, once season after we signed Pepe… or are you just arguing in favor of the concept of a younger player?
    I ask because signing another 60 million plus valued winger now is like signing Auba 5 months after we signed Lacazette for 50 million.“

    Arsenal want a winger. I’m arguing that Zaha is much better for us than Willian.

    And no, a new winger isn’t going to block anyone. Name me another club in the top 6 that has a teenager operating as a first XI starter.

    Zaha can have Saka as an understudy, Pepe can have Nelson. Martinelli can fill in across the front line when he’s back after Jan.

  75. The backpass

    “Taking away playing time from Saka is not going to improve him. In fact it can stagnate him”

    So you want an 18 year old to be the starting LW going into the season? Not someone he can be an understudy to this coming season and during 21-22 season at 19/20 years he can now be the starter?

  76. Tom

    That’s like withdrawing from your pension account to buy a Ferrari so that you can date a hot model.
    Diss
    It sure sounds tempting dough, don’t it

  77. Nelson

    It is a failure and incompetent of the board to let this Ozil situation to drag on. I would just issue in the official website that Ozil will never play for Arsenal again. I would also start to negotiate with any team who would be willing to take him on by paying 10-15% of his salary. I would make this an open auction.

  78. The backpass

    “He’s either a top youngster or he isn’t. If he’s a top youngster he can play most weeks and talk of “pressure” doesn’t even come into it.”

    The two greatest player of this decades weren’t starter at age 18 FFS.

    infact, Saka’s best game in the premier league has been at LB and LWB.

  79. Tom

    CG
    Willian is a better all around player than any aforementioned by you and I think you know how I feel about Pepe.
    Pepe>Zaha btw lol
    Just because he’s better than them now it doesn’t mean we should get him ……that’s why I said no to this deal.

  80. Ishola70

    The backpass

    “So you want an 18 year old to be the starting LW going into the season? Not someone he can be an understudy to this coming season and during 21-22 season at 19/20 years he can now be the starter?”

    Well he’ll be 19 in just a couple of months.

    So basically you are saying Saka is not a top youngster because it seems you don’t trust him.

    Besides you want to give Willian a big fat salary for just one season’s work do you and have Saka take over from him from then on?

  81. CG

    Dis

    “”””We need to articulate what we are trying to do here. Arsenal is like Sisyphus,
    the Greek mythological dude just doing pointless task of pushing a boulder up a mountain, only to see it roll down again””””

    Very apt. Excellent analogy.

    The truth is , Arsenal have not got a clue in what they are doing.
    All of them are clueless.

    Club is a complete laughing stock and not fit for purpose.

    Its unsalvageable until KSE sell up.

  82. Dissenter

    Nelson
    “It is a failure and incompetent of the board to let this Ozil situation to drag on. I would just issue in the official website that Ozil will never play for Arsenal again. I would also start to negotiate with any team who would be willing to take him on by paying 10-15% of his salary. I would make this an open auction.”

    There’s such a thing as contract law. The player is like any other worker in the UK, he has inalienable rights that cannot be thrashed became we mistakenly gave him a sweet deal.

  83. The backpass

    If we have cash afloat, then buy all means lets take Zaha, Benrahma, Depay, Grealish.

    Greenwood is better than any of our youngsters yet Manchester united still want sancho.

  84. The backpass

    Ishola

    “He’s either a top youngster or he isn’t. If he’s a top youngster he can play most weeks and talk of “pressure” doesn’t even come into it.”

    The two greatest player of this decades weren’t starter at age 18 FFS.

    infact, Saka’s best game in the premier league has been at LB and LWB.

  85. TR7

    ‘Zaha can have Saka as an understudy, Pepe can have Nelson. Martinelli can fill in across the front line when he’s back after Jan.’

    I rate Zaha but Saka is a better player than Zaha. His footballing brain is something else, we rarely get to see a player as young as Saka to have such a good footballing brain. Would be a distratous decision to make him a second choice winger.

  86. Dissenter

    CC
    Name me another club in the top 6 that has a teenager operating as a first XI starter.
    The talent is what matters, not the age. Mason Greenwood became a rotational starter at the end of the season.
    The concept is rotational starter, not a guaranteed starter. This means the player will come off the bench half the time to participate.

    If we don’t bloody our talented youth players when we are mid table, when will we ever do it?
    Whats the point of a hot sauce manager, if we are not going to take risks and be more forward looking?

  87. Ishola70

    What a geat idea eh.

    Pay out a big fat salary to Willian for one season of first team football and then let Saka take over.

    All the while Saka has essential first team football taken away from him.

    May as well loan Saka backpass and make Willian earn his crust for two seasons.

    This current team is not a top one atm and to think a few positions can’t be taken up by very highly rated youngsters seems a bit off and all the while these youngsters can improve on the job and ultimately Arsenal think longer term rather than just quick fixes all the time.

  88. Receding Hairline

    Willian wants a three year deal

    What part of that don’t some of you understand, so Saka grows one more year and becomes a starter the upper year and you have a high earning bench player living the life in London.

    No thank you

    No wonder you all want Stan’s money to play around with

  89. WengerEagle

    Wouldn’t have a problem with picking up Willian, unlikely as it sounds if if were for a squad role but as a starter, fat no.

    Doesn’t bring anything in the way of end product over the course of a season and we badly need players of substance out wide when you look at United likely adding Sancho and the Chavs adding Ziyech.

    He’s also 32 and his main weapon is his pace which is going to rapidly deplete very soon.

    As a squaddie for a year or two, absolutely. Top pro, champion, hard worker and still rapid and adds a different dimension in certain game type situations.

  90. Elmo

    What’s the consensus on Doucoure nowadays? Used to be flavour of the month for a move to higher placed club.

    Obviously been relegated, and being linked to Everton, West Ham etc.

    Has his stock fallen along with Watford’s?

  91. The backpass

    Ishola

    “So basically you are saying Saka is not a top youngster because it seems you don’t trust him.Besides you want to give Willian a big fat salary for just one season’s work do you and have Saka take over from him from then on?”

    He is not a top class LW yet, his best game has been from Deep.. LB and LWB.

    I think reading Chelsea’s forum, it is widely accepted that Willian would sign a 2 year deal with another club with bonuses of course and 3 years with chelsea.

    See, I’m not going to lose sleep if we sign Willian…sure I would have preferred other wingers but for £20-30 million for 2-3 years including bonuses, I’m in.

  92. Dissenter

    Backpass
    “Greenwood is better than any of our youngsters yet Manchester united still want sancho.”

    Firstly, I can’t believe you can’t see the flawed logic of that statement.
    Greenwood is not going to compete with Sancho, he’s rotating with Martial and Rashford.
    Secondly. Sancho is a generational talent who’s going to be part of the spine of their team for the next 5-8 years. He’s not a 31 year old on his last legs. Acquiring Sancho addresses short, term, medium term and term needs for United, can’t say the same about William.

  93. andy1886

    Willian has been offered a two year deal at Chelsea but he wants three. He may be a good option in the short term but by year two or three is he still going to be a £180k a week player?

    That’s what I mean by another Ozil, not in the team and earning a fortune.

  94. WengerEagle

    Really hoping that we don’t blow our load on Thomas Partey.

    Nothing special. Better players out there for price being bandied about, El Diego can fuck off.

  95. Freddie Ljungberg

    We’re not going to spend any serious money on a winger, especially not 60m or whatever on Zaha to make Saka a backup. We might spend the 13.6m on Joelson and have him share game time with Saka though.

    No to Willian for me too, he’s after a 3 year deal from Chelsea so why would he take less from us? Not worth it at his wages. No to a Coutinho loan for the same reason, 27m for a year? That’s more than the imaginary numbers for Luiz, can you imagine how much that would be when VAT is included? We’re talking billions here.

    Ceballos seems set to stay on a loan with obligation to buy so 1 CM spot is filled. Partey/Soumare for the other and Szobozlai/Buendia for Cam.

    That is a massive upgrade on our current options.

    Gabriel/Disasi to partner Saliba.

    Edouard if Auba leaves.

    We’re not buying Zaha for 60m or Graelish for 80m, no point even talking about it.

  96. TR7

    Our focus should be on improving midfield and defense. Would be typical Arsenal to get a shiny new winger once again and not bolster our midfield/defense.

  97. Dissenter

    That the problem with gooners
    Every wrong bone headed move we have made has been backed by a significant portion of our fans.
    Go read this blog the day we signed Ozil – it was celebratory.

    That’s why If I were Stan, I would never put more money in the hands of crappy poker players.

  98. Ishola70

    WE

    “Wouldn’t have a problem with picking up Willian, unlikely as it sounds if if were for a squad role but as a starter, fat no.”

    Well that’s not going to happen.

    He is only interested in Arsenal because he sees a bigger cheque for him at Arsenal than at Chelsea and big wage inevitably means first team starter.

    And if he isn’t first team starter at Arsenal then the inevitable questions will be asked in why are Arsenal paying such a big wage to a squad player purchase.

    This is all about Chelsea not seeing Willian as a first team player in the coming seasons and Arsenal only too willing to come in and take him as a first team player. Unfortunate on it’s own that.

  99. The backpass

    “Willian wants a three year deal”

    Except news among Chelsea well placed “sources” or those close to willian believe he would gladly accept a two year deal from other clubs, he needs that fat bonus.

  100. Dissenter

    For me, we are not going to win the league next season
    It’s highly unlikely we get 4th place – United and Chelsea have pulled too far ahead.
    It’s still the 4-7th spot competition.

    We need to accept that reality and start making long term strategic options.
    Bloody the youths in positions where they are averagely good enough.
    Fix the midfield – buy 2 midfielders, preferable young.
    Sell off as much as possible.
    I though the point of a hot sauce manager was to be forward looking.

  101. Un na naai

    MarkoJuly 28, 2020 15:10:35
    I’m just saying there’s real value on these shores often overlooked.Is there though? I mean is there really? Jack Graelish apparently being priced at 80

    Marko
    Grealish was value a season or two ago.
    Maguire was value when he was at Hull
    Vvd was value when Southampton bought him
    Mane was value when Southampton bought him
    Vardy was value when Leicester got him
    Holding was value for £2m
    Robertson was value for Liverpool.
    Wijnaldum was value from Newcastle.
    Seamus Coleman was bought for £60k by Everton
    Joe Hart wasn’t much more from Shrewsbury for Manchester City.
    Tierney is value for £25m compared with walker and cencelo for £50m
    James Justin cost £8m for Leicester and looks a great player
    Jadon Sancho for £9m
    Jude Bellingham will be pocket change for £26m

    You got to get in there early Marko and coach young talent. Fanciful, I know, but that’s how you capitalise on the value in the british game.

  102. WengerEagle

    Ishola

    I’d pass on him in that case.

    Hopefully Arteta sees the bigger picture, doesn’t exactly fit in with his vision signing a 32 year old winger does it?

  103. Receding Hairline

    “Really hoping that we don’t blow our load on Thomas Partey .Nothing special.”

    Thought i was the only one wondering what the fuss was about, Not 27 too if you ask me.

    “Except news among Chelsea well placed “sources” or those close to willian believe he would gladly accept a two year deal from other clubs, he needs that fat bonus.”

    He can go to the MLS then, enough with the Chelsea rejects. Chelsea bring in three top class youngsters and we relieve them of Willian, top class squad building that.

  104. Dissenter

    “Thought i was the only one wondering what the fuss was about, Not 27 too if you ask me.”

    Lol
    Any Ghanaian who played in their national youth competition is age-deflated.

  105. Ishola70

    WE

    “Hopefully Arteta sees the bigger picture, doesn’t exactly fit in with his vision signing a 32 year old winger does it?”

    Well if he does come in it will look like a purchase that has been done over Arteta’s head.

  106. Dissenter

    The MLS is no longer throwing around money on players like William.
    They have changed their approach to buying young talented South American players for resale to European clubs.
    Maybe if William were Mexican, the commercial interests will drive a deal.

  107. The backpass

    Dissenter

    “Firstly, I can’t believe you can’t see the flawed logic of that statement.
    Greenwood is not going to compete with Sancho, he’s rotating with Martial and Rashford.
    Secondly. Sancho is a generational talent who’s going to be part of the spine of their team for the next 5-8 years. He’s not a 31 year old on his last legs. Acquiring Sancho addresses short, term, medium term and term needs for United, can’t say the same about William.”

    Nope, he will rotate with Sancho and Martial. He has never played as a Cf for man.u despite him groomed for that role.

    Aren’t you getting it, the club claims they don’t have money, less if we don’t win FA cup, we absolutely can’t go into next season without a winger and apparently Arteta sees the need.

    Willian is not top of my list as a winger, but I’ll understand the clubs thinking if they do so.

    Arsenal aren’t signing Auba to more than 3 years and you think willian will get 3? I doubt it.

  108. Champagne Charlie

    TR7
    Saka has had a breakout season and he’s already better than a player like Zaha? Nice and grounded Arsenal fans as per, no wonder Dissenter had the oxygen to label him the best academy player ever.

    Dissenter
    Idk how you compute what a starter means, but invariably it’s someone who can be relied upon for a level of output because they’ve a mature game. Some kids can deliver such a thing, but they’re the rarest of the rare. How’s Saka been since the restart? Fleeting, which is totally fine and expected of a young player.

    Martial is 24, Rashford is 22. Why don’t United sell one and just use Greenwood?

    Answer: because they’re not fucking stupid.

    Also, no guarantee Saka is even a long term winger btw. Been lots of chat about him being capable as a 10, so if we look at that longer term then who plays wide?

  109. WengerEagle

    Chavs buying Havertz is very weird considering their defence is crap and they have an Almunia impressionist in goal.

    How are you going to shoehorn in all of Werner, Havertz, Pulisic, Ziyech, Kovacic, Kante, Mount etc in the side?

    Werner is a pure 9 and Havertz isn’t best utilised out wide as he’s not the quickest.

  110. The backpass

    WE

    “Greenwood is not a wide player.”

    I agree, but so far he has done well on the right, and I wouldn’t be surprised if he becomes better on the wing than at CF just like Mbappe.

  111. Ishola70

    There may be talk of Saka ultimately being a 10 but he has shown everyone so far that his attributes are most definitely attacking opponents from wide positions.

    He may have not had the chance to show anything from the middle so far but what he has shown from the wings has been very good. No-one can deny that.

  112. The backpass

    Dissenter

    “The MLS is no longer throwing around money on players like William.”

    Except, he has a contract offer from Inter Miami but he is not planning on retiring soon. He wants to play competitive football and still stay in London.

  113. Guns of SF

    Sometimes I wonder if the club always pleads poverty as a buying tactic.
    Someone alluded to – why would Arsenal come out and say they have money… only to get prices raised on them?
    Makes sense….

    We always plead poverty and the click bait always push that out… that we are broke. etc

    maybe we are not that broke… maybe a little.

    I agree with Pedro, we need to buy smart and for the future. These loans I think will just be money out the door for a gamble we make top 4.

    Also what is the deal with Joelson? 40M or 13.6m

  114. Nelson

    Dis

    I don’t believe that the law would said that we have to play him. I remember Mou sent Bastian Schweinsteiger to train with the U23 players.

  115. The backpass

    Receding

    “He can go to the MLS then, enough with the Chelsea rejects. Chelsea bring in three top class youngsters and we relieve them of Willian, top class squad building that.”

    See I understand, but realistically who do you think we can get as a winger on our budget because Arteta apparently needs one.

    Also, we sold Giroud to Chelsea and since haven’t finished above them despite buying a superior player in Auba.

    If buying Willian gives us room to operate on other needed areas..they should go for it, that is my opinion.

  116. Freddie Ljungberg

    Mustafi out until October btw so he’s not going anywhere. That’s him and Chambers staying put then because of injuries.

    Guess it’s just Sok and Holding getting sold then at best. Mavro already out on loan so no fee forthcoming there.

  117. Rich

    Arteta has said he has the final say on transfers.

    That means he’s ok’d Mari, Soares and renewing Luiz.

    If he ok’s Willian? And Coutinho?

    Serious questions need to be asked.

    Emery was overruled, If Arteta accepts this sh*t show? His decision making needs to be questioned.

    And there’s no way we should be selling Niles or Nelson, maybe loans, providing we extend, but we’ll regret letting them go.

  118. Guns of SF

    I do hope that we are secretly doing some really good deals and all this willian and coutinho crap is a smoke screen

    that we are going to be surprised with what Raul brings in…
    I can only HOPE!

  119. Up 4 grabs now

    If mustafi is out till October then he leaves on a free next June. Another player with no sell on. Well done arsenal.

  120. Guns of SF

    Freddie
    Sok Holding and Kola. sell em all
    not needed

    Pedro brought up a great point about these players wanting their big salaries and not moving – wanting to “fight for their place”- (Mr Ozils never ending excuse)

    Arsenal is a great place to get rich and not do shit for it

  121. Dissenter

    backpass
    “Aren’t you getting it, the club claims they don’t have money, less if we don’t win FA cup, we absolutely can’t go into next season without a winger and apparently Arteta sees the need.”

    We don’t have money but we are going to spunk money on a 31 year old [turns 32 y/o next month] on a three year 180k weekly wage deal … with ZERO resale value.?

    C’mon man

    C’mon

  122. Freddie Ljungberg

    Guns

    Yeah, was talking only CB, of which we have a fuckton but only one with any talent and he’s unproven.
    Kola needs to be shipped out too of course if we can find a buyer.

  123. The backpass

    WE

    “How are you going to shoehorn in all of Werner, Havertz, Pulisic, Ziyech, Kovacic, Kante, Mount etc in the side?Werner is a pure 9 and Havertz isn’t best utilised out wide as he’s not the quickest”

    I lurk around some Chelsea blog from time to time, what I got from there is that Lampard wants to use the formation Ancelloti used when he was in charge.

    ST: Werner/Giroud/Abraham
    LW: Pulisic/Werner
    RW: Ziyech/Odoi

    Then two 8’s similar to Lampard and Ballack with Essein sitting.

    Mount/Barkley. Havertz/RLC

    Kante/kovacic/Gilmour

    Jorginho to be sold to Juve…that has been the formation since the restart but due to Kante and Gilmour’s injury, Jorginho now came to the fold.

    Their defense and goalkeeper are still wack though.

  124. Wasi

    Willian definitely improves us , but as good as he is , we cant be buying another Chelsea leftover , who just wants a big deal.
    Id rather look at Buendia. Young , high potential , Can play 10 and RW. Only behind KDB and Grealish in chances created in the PL. That stat in itself is massive. When you factor in the context that he was playing in the worst PL team with only really 1 goalscorer its crazy.
    Also if Pepe becomes as good as he can be next season then Willian just drop down to being an impact sub. An impact sub at 150k+. Cant have that.
    Buendia for 15-20 mil on 60-70k wages is by far thr better deal.

    Id also be sniffing around Joao Pedro of Watford. Very highly rated. He seemed lively when he came on against us.

  125. Rich

    I don’t understand the idea of players taking longer contracts on less money?

    Europe is skint outside billionaire owners.

    Why would Sokratis walk out on £4,500,000 left on his current deal, to sign a £35,000, 3 yr £5,460,000 elsewhere? When he can just sit it out until Jan, then sign a bosman elsewhere?

    The clubs who can afford our cast offs, won’t want anything to do with them, we’ve got the most ridiculous wage bill in the world of football.

    The price you receive for a player, is linked directly to the size of the contract.

    I predict loans, and Mkhitaryan style deals just to get the dross off the wage bill by agreeing to cancel contracts.

    We’re going to struggle to move players on.

  126. Champagne Charlie

    “CAS confirm 9 clubs wrote to them in March asking them not to lift Man City’s European ban while City appealed. City never applied for the ban to be lifted. 9 clubs were Arsenal, Burnley, Chelsea, Leicester, Liverpool, Man Utd, Newcastle, Spurs and Wolves“

    Pep can address the rest as clubs he doesn’t respect off the pitch in due time thanks

  127. The backpass

    Dissenter

    We dont know how much Willian would be paid as his wages…he is currently on £125,000 pw, again I doubt he signs on a 3 year deal according to what I read on some Chelsea’s blog…

    Am not a finance guy, but I believe Willians total worth would round up to at most £22 million. He has the 7th highest chance created in the league, i think that qualifies him a bit in my book.

    Lampard came and binned Luiz straight away but wants Willian at all cost.

    Personally, I would prefer Depay or Benrahma.

  128. TR7

    CC

    I am not someone who overhypes a player. If anything I find most players to be overrated. Called out Pogba, Coutinho, Griezman, Pepe, Ozil and many more when most were going gaga over them. Saka however deserves the hype. The guy is very very good. I stand by my comment that he has a better footballing brain than Zaha and it would be silly to reduce him to a back up choice.