Well, that was absolutely shite. I had a feeling there was going to be a bit of the Brighton’s about us last night; I turned out to be correct, we dominated possession, did absolutely fuck all with it, and conceded from a set-piece (45% of our goals this season according to the stat guys).
How utterly, utterly depressing.
The only positive I’ll take from that game is that we might get the chance to relegate Watford at the weekend. I much prefer Villa. Dean Smith is a good guy and I like some of the Villa players.
As for Arsenal, this is who we are. One moment, they’re taking bullets for 97 minutes, the next, they are flummoxed against a team that has been absolutely shite all season.
The usual suspects were problematic again. Rob Holding and Kola just don’t cut it for me. They’re not good enough on the ball and their fear of moving it forward is painful at times. The biggest mistake of the game for me was starting Lucas Torreira. We all want him to be the guy, but he doesn’t seem to have it. He was dreadful. He’s too small for the Premier League and I just don’t think he’s capable of being the warrior we need in the middle of the park. Striking that Arteta yanked him at half time, we haven’t seen that very often, but it was the correct decision.
People were also upset we fielded 3 center-forwards without any attacking midfielders. I don’t know if the hope was Lacazette would drop into a number 10ish role again, or the analysts assessed that Villa had conceded more shots than any team this season and it was likely we’d open them up after two strong wins. It didn’t work out. A lesson Arteta will have to learn. Maybe starting Willock would have been smarter (though he’s hardly pulled up trees), or perhaps moving Pepe into a 10 role? Who knows, some experiments don’t work, this one tanked.
Dani Ceballos had a solid game, but he doesn’t have devastation in his pocket when he’s probing the box. Granit Xhaka made things a little more interesting in the second half, but he’s far better at releasing the ball from deep than finding cute angles in the opposition area.
The harsh reality is if our wide players don’t show up, we offer fuck all to the forwards.
There is no point in controlling possession if you can’t convert it into a single shot. We can get angry about that, but it’s not a new problem, and the only way it’ll be solved is if we sign players that can do the job. I’d love Jack Grealish, the man has magnificent hair and unbelievable legs. Imagine that sort of creativity in your starting 11? Trouble is, we need two or three players like that.
The big positive from the game is that once again, Arteta has been reminded of the limitations of some of the players. Some of those deal extensions he’s thinking about might need a rethink. Some of those players he was thinking of keeping on, might just find their way out of the club. His team might start to realise that you can’t save some players from themselves. If you are weak mentally in your mid to late twenties, that’s probably a thing for life. You’ll get turns out of these guys, like the prior two games, but you’ll not get consistency, which is the difference between ok and elite.
We deserve everything we get this season in the league. We haven’t been good enough. The players aren’t of the right make-up for the way Arteta wants to play and there are too many players that can go missing when you need them. The points total speaks to that. We can solve that with a good summer, or at least progress to a much more coherent squad.
If you are now disgusted by the coach and you’re doubting things again, just take yourself back to the weekend. Remember the KLOPP OUT crew at Liverpool? The Fraudiola crowd? Lampard is a disgrace? Understand that everyone wants to be the first to call time on a coach. Those people will be wrong in the long run. This is not a sprint, there will be ups and downs, but Arteta is the right guy to carry us through.
The Cup Final will see us focused, I have little doubt about that. These players show up in the perceived bigger games, they are better when teams offer more than a deep block, we will also play our best 11. Bring that City energy to Villa and Brighton, we’re in the Europa League before the FA Cup. We didn’t, now we’re stuck in the same situation as last season… leaning on a Cup Final to save our summer. It’s grim, but we’ll do a better job of the final than we did last season.
The Villa result is not good enough, but it is what it is. Bumps are par the course. It doesn’t make it any easier, but if you pray hard enough tonight and donate to my Patreon, maybe we’ll do a little better.
Onto Watford, let’s hope we can finish the season by sending Troy and the boys to the Championship.
See you in the comments. x
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Saka #7 is a poor choice. Prefer a right footed player wearing it. He’ll be getting minutes at LB/LWB with a bloody #7!
Martnelli should of got number 7
Left testicleJuly 23, 2020 09:35:41
I get having squad numbers but I liked it when:1: Goalkeeper
2: Right back
3: Left back
4: Defensive Midfielder
5: Centre Back
6: Centre Backetc. none of this ’23’ and ’77’ shit
Some players seem to perform better with their “lucky “number on their shirt though.
350 should perhaps be on the back of Ozil’s
Atlentico are demanding £109m for Jan Oblak…and some illiterates on the Internet think that projecting Leno at £70m is stupid.
Soares was on about £3.4 million salary in Southampton if you believe the typical internet sources
It’s hard to believe he took a pay cut to sign for Arsenal for his last major contract.
Dream, I was going to make the same remark. Personally even if it is not traditional in UK, I like 1: Goalkeeper 2: RFB 3: RCB 4: LCB 5: LFB 6: DM 7: RW 8: CM 9: ST 10: CAM 11: LW The English traditional numbering refers to old formation that nobody follows anymore. In the rest of the world a 6 is a defensive midfielder and not a CB. In either case a left winger is never a 7. Change Torreira to 6 Saka to 11 Pepe to 7 SALIBA to 3 Luiz to 4 (unless a new left… Read more »
Dissenter,
Soares had no offers from any other clubs.
Arsenal a London club comes in and offers four years at 60k a week with more potential to win things than Southampton.
Do you think he haggled for more?
Probably incentives as well for winning things?
Bite your Hand off for that deal.
Maybe that’s why he got a four year deal?
Valentin
Probably a European and South American thing.
For Brazil, 2 and 6 are the fullbacks, 3 and 4 are the CBs. 5 is the DM and 8 is the CM. 7 and 11 are wide, 10 and 9 up front.
Prefer #4 to be the DM, don’t like left footed players wearing #2 and #7.
Apologies if this subject has already been spoken about. I may have missed it.
Are we not already in Europe for next season because we’re in the FA Cup final ?
Even if we lose to Chelski, don’t we still get the European slot, as they’ve already got it through their league position ?
Gentlebris, £70 millions in a distressed economy is a ludicrous price. Most clubs will look at Leno’s negatives and decide that they can get a better goalkeeper for around a third of the price. Statistically Leno has some of the worst numbers in the top 5 European league, especially in terms of mistakes that directly lead to goals. Great shot stopper, but suspect under high ball, rooted to his line at set pieces, poor distribution, tend to punch rather catch ball, not vocal enough to organise a defense, prone to clangers which led to him being dropped from the German… Read more »
‘Just realised that Burnley will probably finish above Arsenal in the final league table.That’s just off. Not nice at all.’ I don’t expect anyone to agree but binning Wenger from Arsenal and putting Raul and co in charge is like binning a mere cold to put Malaria in charge. People say Wenger is the root of all the present Arsenal evil and I say how come Wenger didn’t eat the fruit of his ‘work’ himself at least once in 22 years and finish as bad as Raul and gang are about to finish on the table now? Wenger made as… Read more »
Dream10,
Yes the number tend to reflect the formation most used per continent/countries. Some countries have changed because they have adopted different formations.
UK number reflect the WM formation that nobody used anymore.
Another example most German teams used to play with 3 at the back, but when Klinsmann switched the national team to a back 4, there was a big push for club to follows suits. The clubs number tend now to reflect that changes and often follows the pattern I indicated in my previous comment.
Muddygooner
Believe seven teams get into Europe thru the PL.
If we win, Spurs or Wolves miss out. If we lose, they both qualify. We can finish as high as 8th in the PL
GB
‘”””Just realised that Burnley will probably finish above Arsenal in the final league table.That’s just off. Not nice at all.’”””
The peerless, the loyal and Arsenal Legend, Arsene Wenger’s last ever game at The Emirates was a scintillating 5 zero thrashing of Burnley. A finer example of free flowing soccer you will unable to find, these days.
Two seasons later and after nearly spending £200 million more on players than Burnley, on players.
Arsenal will probably finish below them,
The Wenger Effect.
That’s not quite correct.
Top 4 go into the CL
5th goes into EL
Winner of the League Cup goes into EL – as this was won by City it goes to the PL so 6th will qualify this season.
Winner of the FA Cup goes into EL – as Chelsea are guaranteed to finish 5th or higher this means that the place will go to us if we win it or 7th if Chelsea do.
This is why it was critical to beat Villa.
‘£70 millions in a distressed economy is a ludicrous price. Most clubs will look at Leno’s negatives and decide that they can get a better goalkeeper for around a third of the price.’ Valentin, Would you have thought that we could get more than £15m for Iwobi? Walcott seemed done, we got £20m when lots of people would have expected him to go for £10m most. Then Kepa at Chelsea came for how much? Goalkeeping is first and foremost about shot stopping, then what most clubs are looking for are keepers who can save one on one, which Leno can… Read more »
Valentin
Do you think Pépé would be more effective if Aubameyang wasn’t in the XI/sold?
A traditional #9 like Giroud/Raul Jimenez and a right footed LW to create like Reiss Nelson/Willian/Sancho. Pépé would be the main attacker. Shift the ball from left to right on the counter
Marc – thanks for the correction
We have been linked to the 6′ 4″ Weghorst.
Gentlebris
Really no one is going to pay £70 million for Leno. He’s a decent goal keeper but there are lots of better keepers that him around
Talk less of this economic climate.
I don’t expect we’ll lose any money on Leno is we decide to move him on.
I believe we bought him for about €22 million.
Dream10
Actually something I’ve only just thought of and have no idea of the answer.
What happen’s if ManU finish 5th and win the EL or Wolves win it? They’ll go into the CL – will their EL spot be kicked down a place?
Gentlebris, It is all good to say, that we can get £70 millions for that player. But we also have to be realistic in the appreciation of our assets. Iwobi benefitted from the home grown premium and the panic buy last day of the transfer window hike. I doubt that Leno would benefit from the same beneficial circumstances. Also this summer COVID-19 has decimated the economy. Top class players will still fetch a lot of money (less than before but still a large amount), however damaged goods and undesirable will be a lot more difficult to shift. Case in point… Read more »
Marc
Not sure. I would assume it gets kicked down a place in certain scenarios.
Stats shows that Chelsea is weak defending corner. Of course having a weak GK doesn’t help. We should try to take advantage of every corner.
The Clown is back.
Confirming , once again- soccer is the biggest bullshit industry in the world.
My best wishes go to the Villarreal players and especially to their supporters.
Dream10, The problem with both Aubameyang and Pepe in the team playing wide is that that translates in a very narrow attack making it easier to defend against. That is compounded by the following factors: 1) we do not have anybody who can regularly bring danger centrally either via forceful runs or clever passes. So the defense can stay low block. Having somebody not afraid of taking long distance shot would help, but Xhaka rarely ventures up anymore. 2) bar Tierney our crossers are poor. Bellerin crossing can be erratic. Soares crosses are just lofty aimless balls that never reach… Read more »
Marc
Only 7 teams under FA can qualify for Europe.
If an English team wins in Europe, there will be 5 CL teams and 2 EL. If both CL and EL are won by English clubs, still 5 teams qualify, but 4th in PL becomes EL qualifier.
Only prospect of 8th in PL making EL based on league position was if City had been banned from Europe.
Our only route is winning FA Cup.
Valentin, I give it to you, you are very good at creating impossibilities. What makes you think Atlentico can’t come for Leno at £70m after selling Oblak for £109m? What makes you think ManU or Chelsea don’t rate Leno when he has just performed better than all of their goalkeepers this season? What makes you think Juve don’t want to Upgrade to Leno if their current number one is an Arsenal reject? Then finally, what makes you think Leno is damaged good when, outside of Auba, Leno is our best player of the season? A goalie contending for best player… Read more »
@CG
You must be absolutely gutted that Emery soon got a new job while dear old Arsene continues to wile away the hours waiting for a call from RM, Bayern, Barca etc, that is never going to come….
Really hilarious…guys discussing how to get into Europa through the back door!
Bless the ‘be-careful-what-you-wish-for’ brigade.
‘You must be absolutely gutted that Emery soon got a new job while dear old Arsene continues to wile away the hours waiting for a call from RM, Bayern, Barca etc, that is never going to come….’
You really think Wenger couldn’t have gotten the Villarreal job if he wanted?
“”””””@CG You must be absolutely gutted that Emery soon got a new job while dear old Arsene continues to wile away the hours waiting”””””
Arsene is biding his time. He is not your average 70 year old in appearance or mind.
He looks and sounds 60-ish .He still looks a million dollars.
He only wants The Arsenal.
Its The Arsenal or No Job with Arsene Wenger.
(There is plenty of time for him to return.)
Talking of Villareal- Our Wengers’ Arsenal beat them in the European Cup semi final once.
Those were the days, Andy!
Bris, yes I really don’t think that Villareal were interested in Wenger, and there’s absolutely no evidence that they or anyone else is either.
Our mid-field is so bad that even Declan Rice (no disrespect to him), would improve it considerably in terms of advancing forward with the ball and giving opposing central defenders something to worry about. By the way, it appears the only time we’re allowed to cite “player poverty” is when it’s used in a certain way – e.g. “The big positive from the game is that once again, Arteta has been reminded of the limitations of some of the players.”. Well, Arteta, like most of us, would have known this even before taking up the job. If he didn’t, he… Read more »
GB
“””””Really hilarious…guys discussing how to get into Europa through the back door!””””””
We have given up trying the front door, the back door we now want to sneak in the Loosers via the bloody cat -flap.
And they all thought managing Arsenal under Stan so so easy,
Oops!
CG,
Hi, fella. Hope our Arsenal gladden your heart.
Arteta said that he has a direct line to the Kroenke family. That means that he can bypass both Raul and Edu. With the recent appointment of this lawyer, it seems that Raul is losing some credibility.
Valentine
“£70 millions in a distressed economy is a ludicrous price. Most clubs will look at Leno’s negatives and decide that they can get a better goalkeeper for around a third of the price.”
I’m inclined to agree with you on the points you made regarding the price and distressed economy. However, a third of the price would be around £20-25m.
Please let’s have the names of these keepers who have not only proven to be better than Leno but are also available at this price range.
Don’t let your obvious dislike of Leno cloud your judgement.
CB
“”””CG,Hi, fella. Hope our Arsenal gladden your heart.””””
We have the FA Cup final to look forward to- so I have perked up a smidgen.
And there is STILL nothing better in sport, than the FA Cup final.
Arteta has his chance to do what the greats Bob Paisley or Brian Clough failed to do,……win the oldest trophy in the game.
And if he gets as many Wenger boys in the team- he might just do it too.
Solid source says Auba will surely sign if we make EL through FA. And if we don’t sign and show ambition.
Gentlebris,
At £70 millions people expect a world class goalkeeper who help them take a step up. That is not Leno level. He a great shot-stopper but nothing more. Right now Nick Pope due to his performance and the home grown premium would fetch more than Leno and nobody is talking about him as a £70 millions player.
If you genuinely believe that ManUtd, Chelsea and Athletico will come to buy Leno at £70 millions, I have a bridge to sell you.
Question is how solid is your sauce? On a scale of 1 to 11.
11 being rock solid, 1 wet tissue, 7 Khaddi Sagnia’s backside.
Freiburg’s goalie, Alexander Schwolow, is a very good solid goalie. I’d be surprised he costs more than £25m.
Rodney, Decent shot stoppers are not easy to find. Today’s premium is on a goalkeeper who can organise his defense, catch the ball and not just punch it and distribute from the back with both feet and hands. Unfortunately that’s not Leno’s game. Pre COVID-19, Marc Andre Ter Stegen was valued at £60 millions. Now I would assume that Barcelona would sell him at £50 millions. Alex Nubel has just joined Bayern on a Bosman but he was valued at £20 millions. We bought Leno for £22 millions and even at the time I thought that was slightly too high.… Read more »
Just a quickie.
Christian Pulisic is a special special talent.
If he plays in the Cup Final, I’ll be very worried.
For me one of the best players around.
Why are people discussing selling Leno?
Can I get the following pls
1. Home kit with Auba + signed d ting message.
2. Partey
3. Havertz
Thanks in advance
Graham62,
Christian Pulisic is exactly what a £60 millions attacking midfielder should be. Fast, strong, decisive, not afraid of committing in 1v1 defender but more importantly with an end product.
I suspect that Arteta may have a special plan for him. He may ask AMN to sit on him.
This version of Bellerin would be no match for Pulisic
Thoughts of AMN the last time he was playing in a final against Chelsea… scary. Best leave the lad at home
Marko
I think it’s because of Martinez.
Imo, overall, a far better keeper.
Leno may be a great shot stopper but he lacks key attributes to make him a #1.
Martinez controls his area and has a positive affect on those in front of him.
lacks key attributes to make him a #1.
He’s been a number one at Leverkusen and now Arsenal. I don’t think you know what you’re talking about. I swear Arsenal fans are some of the most knee jerk reactionary fans on the globe with short term memories. Leno has been one of our most consistent performers the last two seasons. That his replacement has been doing very well since his injury proves nothing more than we’ve got a very good second choice keeper. That’s it
Leno has two weakness.
– He can misjudge those high balls coming into the box.
– Sometimes it takes him a long time to relieve the ball.
I find that Leno is stronger when defending a one on one situation. He has more experience.
@Valentine That’s a good list of keepers but even in today’s depressed economy, they’d all cost over £25m, which was my point anyway. It should be noted, however, that Leno is one of the most reliable shot-stoppers in the league as the stats show. He has his negatives but those can be ironed out with proper coaching. He’s also not very good with his feet but neither is Alisson Becker. At this point, selling Leno at whatever price shouldn’t even be considered unless we get offered ridiculous money which I don’t think will happen anyway. Nothing wrong with Arsenal having… Read more »
Marko
It’s been quite funny reading the comments since Leno got injured, you’d think we had some average goal keeper and now his replacement is a Seaman/ Lehman hybrid. I’d like to see Martinez over a long run if games really to judge, he’s a solid back up too so that’s a good thing right. Romero has been back up for United for years and maybe even has better stats than De gea too.
I agree though, most Arsenal fans are quite knee jerk and very reactionary and quick to forget too
Is Arteta going to just relegate Emi Martinez to the bench when Leno returns back from injury next season?
Is Martinez going to be okay just warming the bench after this. He’s been at Arsenal for 10 years and if this recent run of games isn’t enough, then why continue to stay at Arsenal?
Every club needs a clear number one goalie, at the moment we have two EQUALLY good keepers…a unique situation where one may have to leave .
Arteta has a tough call to make. I’m not even sure it’s good problem to have.
Bati
Leno has been good for us but lets not pretend that he doesn’t have his weaknesses. He can’t use his feet that well, he’s weak off crosses, doesn’t organize his defense properly and his ball distribution is poor.
It’s not a knock on Leno to say he has some glaring weaknesses, some of which have not improved since he came to Arsenal.
Martinez definitely commands his area well and looks assured.
I’m not taking anything away from him but perhaps it’s easier because we’re now defending deeper and he’s been given better protection?
It’s only been a few games with him in goal, but I don’t think he’s ever had to deal with a one-on-one situation.
Dissenter
Every footballer has their weaknesses, doesn’t make it less knee jerk to be calling for his sale though and again and in my opinion, Leno remains the best goalkeeper at the club, literally would be somewhere in 15/16th if he wasn’t so damn good
Mustafi out for the cup final
It means that Holding will likely be starting on the right of the back three.
I don’t rate Holding, so it is a major concern. Would rather Sokratis play on the right of Luiz, but Arteta does not seem to be a fan
Bati “Leno remains the best goalkeeper at the club, literally would be somewhere in 15/16th if he wasn’t so damn good” I respect that opinion. You aren’t the only one who’s said as much; Marko, CC, Receding have that same opinion too. I just don’t think it’s a knee jerk reaction to discover that the long term 2nd/3rd keeper in the club is good enough to challenge and displace the assumed number one. Martinez does have some skills that Leno lacks and is a decent shot-stopper too. Arteta has to make a very tough call that will test his man… Read more »
Marko
Why are you getting your knickers in a twist?
Nothing knee jerk, just saying it as it is.
I think others on here have highlighted Leno’s flaws for me.
Of course, they also know nothing.
.
Tony Adams
“””‘Ozil’s an enormous talent surrounded by mess’ “”””
About right.
Dream10
Didn’t Holding mark out Diego Costa in another FA cup final?
Arsenal vs Villareal in Europa league next season,
You heard it here 1st!
Can’t spell knee jerk without Dissenter. Leno is the number one it’s not even up for debate he’s been excellent since joining and he’s got over 300 appearances for Leverkusen as well as Germany caps. Martinez meanwhile despite being only a year younger has just 135 career appearances under his belt. He’s got more appearances for the under 23’s than the senior team as things stand. Let’s put things into perspective a little
Better to have a situation where we have two decent keepers.
Dissenter
Holding was alright.
Costa beat him twice and finished poorly.
People exaggerating the moment when he got into an argument with Costa. Similar to when he shoulder knocked down Mané last week. Good meme material, that’s it.
Mertesacker was the CB who put in a tremendous performance in 2017 final
Marko
Very well
But you do understand that gooners have seen enough of Leno to realize that he has glaring weaknesses that have not improved since he joined us.
So when the other goalie shows up and calmly shows up those Leno weaknesses, people are going to talk about it.
No one is suggesting that Leno is a bad keeper, the fact the even the main protagonist for selling him is asking for a whopping 70 million shows how much he’s rated.
“It’s only been a few games with him in goal, but I don’t think he’s ever had to deal with a one-on-one situation.”
We lost the NLD because he can’t stop Son.
That’s the same case with Auba. He scored a lot of goals. But when we needed him in the NLD, he failed two years in a roll.
Nelson
So you blame the NLD defeat on Martinez.
🤪😂
Marko I really really reallly like leno and think he is top class and have always defended him when nutters on the blog have harshly/unfairly critized him. But I have to say Martinez has been a revelation for us and has looked every bit as good as leno. Leno is a slightly better shot stopper I think? But Martinez is so much better in terms of crosses, claiming the ball in the air and catching the ball when leno has done a couple dodgy punches here and there. Also martinez seems a little better at managing the box and communicating… Read more »
These Joelson rumours won’t go away and it fills me with confidence that this new regime is making progressive moves for the future.
Graham62
Football is a team game. We are comparing Leon with Martinez.
London it’s okay to say that Martinez has done brilliantly since coming in for the injured Leno that’s very reasonable but Leno prior to injury was the better keeper and so people talking about binning him off for Martinez at the first sign of good form in his career is the absolute definition of knee jerk.
Batistuta “Leno remains the best goalkeeper at the club, literally would be somewhere in 15/16th if he wasn’t so damn good” 🙊🙉🙈 You are arguing that without Leno we would be in a relegation battle! The reality is that we were drifting in a relegation battle with Leno in goal. I blame Leno for the defeat to Chelsea when we were on top before he literally dropped the ball to the opposition. There is not a single goal that conceded by Martinez that Leno would have saved. However Martinez made numerous saves that Leno would not have made. Also statically… Read more »
The same Martinez who can’t seem to be capped by Argentina? If Leno were Argentine, he would be their starting goalkeeper.
Let us just be happy we’ve got 2 good goalkeepers.
Valentin
You mean the 5-5 against Lincoln, Leno wouldn’t have saved any of the goals?
That’s why making Europe is so important.
Extra money being the obvious reason but also extra game time for fringe and second string players.
Between the FA cup, league cup and Europa there’s enough games to keep any No two keeper busy no matter who it is.
“The reality is that we were drifting in a relegation battle with Leno in goal.“ Not more of this correlation nonsense, I thought you were better than that ffs? Leno has been a top performer for us in a time where our defence is the worst its been in two decades. We had literally conceded the MOST shots on goal in Europe’s top five leagues early on this season. Martinez has went in goal, done fantastic, but do not leave out the glaringly obvious part where a new manager has come in and put up a valiant defence in front… Read more »
Valentin
5-5 against Liverpool rather.
Brewster
Chambo
Origi’s goal.
“Not more of this correlation nonsense, I thought you were better than that ffs? Leno has been a top performer for us in a time where our defence is the worst its been in two decades. We had literally conceded the MOST shots on goal in Europe’s top five leagues early on this season.”
I doubt Valentin knows this.
Patson Daka for Salzburg looks like a promising young striker. Lille are interested in him to replace Osimhen. Looks a bit raw, but has electric pace and movement.
Sounds like another shrewd move by Campos at Lille
Martinez has been playing without the 12th man for us to see,this is not taking away the great work he has been doing and beside we now play much more deep than before which could also contribute
Leno though has his weakness but is still the number 1 in the team
CC, I was responding to the false narrative that without Leno we would be in a relegation battle, when we were drifting into the relegation battle. Like I have written before, being a great shot stopper does not make a great goalkeeper. I watched part of the Liverpool v Chelsea game, and Carragher said something along the same line. He stated that one statistics is that Chelsea concede a lot of goal on corners, however when brough on the number of corners conceded it is not so bad. According to him the high number of corners conceded was due Chelsea… Read more »
Having two pretty good goalkeepers is a nice thing. Sell one, use that money somewhere else. We don’t have (big) budget to spend, any $$ will help.
Arsenal have conceded 15 less goals in the last 25 games under Arteta compared to the 25 games previous. Martinez has been solid but it’s not only on the GK to stop goals. It’s not an equal comparison, still have the same problematic players in defense but the structure has been much better and I’m sure that’s helped Martinez as well.
Regardless if it becomes a competition they’ll all push themselves to improve so this is a good problem to have.
Val “It is the same for Arsenal, we are not very good at defending corner, but also because Leno just punched the ball, we concede a lot of corners.” The stats won’t stand up for what you are saying though in regards corners conceded as Arsenal recently have played teams that have dominated. Liverpool and Man City between them in those recent matches had 25 corners alone. A huge amount of corners to concede. You can see on here corners conceded by Arsenal. https://www.totalcorner.com/team/view/6 If it was the case that Arsenal concede less corners with Martinez in goal rather than… Read more »
Martinez eats Leno for breakfast!! We dont have the luxury to have two good keepers. Sell Leno and use the money to buy Ozil out.
Away from those matches where Arsenal were dominated there isn’t enough significance in them to indicate that Arsenal conceded more corners with Leno in goal rather than Martinez.
Looking at the stats above we did a smash and grab on Chelsea really in the 2-2 draw at Stamford Bridge.
So we can smash and grab them again in the cup final.
It’s now looking at the stats on the page prior.
Val I’m not the one arguing about superiority here, I’m stating the kitchens were different for each cook. My position is clear, we have two good goalkeepers next season and if over the course of an entire campaign one becomes undisputed number one, then we’ll likely sell next summer. That’s a good bit different to this narrative of shitting on Leno and claiming Martinez better, familiar? – Here’s a basic statistical run down of the two from the Premier League database to avoid any mistruths being thrown about: Leno – Martinez Minutes: 2650 – 680 Clean sheets: 7 – 3… Read more »
DB10 saying he wants to return in some kind of coaching capacity
Arsenal need to snap him the fuck up. A bit of DB10 star dust in the coaching setup would be fabulous and so nice to have him home
Leno and Martinez are both good though very different
So far I’m really happy with Martinez to the extent I’d keep him first choice as things stand. But as for selling Leno – if we sell him and emi gets injured, who will be out n2? Who is our current n3???
The Martinez punching stat is the most interesting one
Only 1?
Is think actually there’s a lot underlying this stat that is probably more significant than any other direct comparison between the two.
You can blame Leno for the mistakes he’s made but he’s faced a ridiculous number of shots and it’s inevitable that with such a high exposure he’s going to have a higher number of mistakes than we’d like He was facing 1000 shots a game for a solid year before he got injured. I think a better comparison is how many flangers has he dropped relative to the number of saves he has made because you can’t just a player who is called into action so often to be as flawless as an equivalent player who is only dealing with… Read more »