Another Chelsea Cup Final + What Does Summer Look Like?

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I am STILL buzzing on a Monday morning, and yes, I’ll be honest, I went in for round two on the game because that’s how good I felt. It’s a lot easier to watch those ties when you know the result.

A few things stood out the second time, the first being that Kieran Tierney really was fantastic. He slipped in as the left-sided centre back, presumably to give some pace next to Luiz, then he was moved out left when AMN moved inside, and occasionally he bombed forward as an LWB. Magnificent. What a great player we have there.

I also think Granit Xhaka has to be given his dues, he has been mostly excellent under Mikel Arteta. He had another really, really good game. He put his body on the line over and over again, he lead like a warrior, and he gave the team a calm player to look up to when City were coming at us.

I also didn’t give enough credit to Pépé for his showing. I’ve been very critical of him over the last 3 months. I know there’s a player there, but he doesn’t show it enough. He’s a very quiet player and sometimes, that comes across as meek on the pitch. I didn’t feel like that after the game on Saturday. He gave more to the defensive side of things, and going forward, he was quicker and bolder with his decisions, plus, he made decisive contributions for our two goals in a game that wasn’t going to give us much.

I know I might be early on this, but I also feel like that was a game the fans needed to see from Arteta. We’ve been watching him make steady improvements over the last 6 months, but generally, there’s always been something not quite right about our game. Injuries, mistakes, red cards, contract induced brainfarts… factored with the harsh reality that this team hasn’t been coached to an elite level in over a decade.

City felt like the game where we delivered an innovative performance against the odds. The gameplan was bold, it was very unArsenal, and it was executed to near perfection. Our last manager couldn’t get us passing out the back in 18months, our new coach has us using it as a tactic to play around a Man City press. That’s not to say we haven’t seen other really good performances. Chelsea at home, United at home, Sheffield United away and Wolves away spring to mind… but this had something important on it, and no one gave us a prayer. It just felt bigger, particularly after the absolute spanking we took against Liverpool in the week.

The Manchester United vs Chelsea semi-final wasn’t that interesting. Ole G, after receiving all the press plaudits for 3 wins on the bounce against shit teams, didn’t show up for a Wembley semi-final. United lacked drive, a decent plan, and a good goalkeeper. Frank Lampard cooly took the game and at an absolute canter. I fancied our chances against either side, but I think I prefer Chelsea. Lampard is a better manager than OGS, so it’ll be tough, but I think everything that was wrong under Unai Emery came out in the wash in Baku.

  1. Our players weren’t focused before the game. I was told they were complainining about travel arrangements and senior players in the side knew we’d lose just by how much of a farce it was pregame
  2. We played an extremely negative game. No one showed up for the final. It was an embarrassing performance. The worst final I’ve ever seen us play in.
  3. The plan was confusing, watching Iwobi trying to decipher what the fuck Emery was trying to say on the sidelined summed it all up. We gave Sarri his first ever trophy and we shouldn’t have

This final is the chance to right the wrongs of last season and prove that elite coaching can be a driving force in our return to the top. Ironically, it’ll give us the opportunity to get back into the same competition we were trying to escape so desperately last season, but after the mess of this year, it’d be more than welcome. We made £42m last season from the Europa League last season, that sort of cash takes us from a very bland summer to something mildly interesting.

Still a longshot… but the other upside of us making it to the final with Chelsea is that I believe it’ll open up Europa spaces to 7th place. Currently, we sit in 10th. The league chase is not in our hands at all, but there’s always an off chance we could make it. What is gratifying is that we’ll know where we stand before the game. It won’t make a difference to the performance either way, but it adds a little bit of spice to the young managers final.

Talking of summer, it’s going to be very interesting to see what we do.

It’s clear to me that Don Raul isn’t going to be able to do whatever he likes this time around. He’ll be answering to someone this summer and that’s a good thing. Also, have you noticed that he’s being briefed against? John Cross dropping precision bombs his way, The Athletic went very hard at his approach, and we saw similarly aggressive stories from The Guardian. Those are no accidents.

That said, it won’t stop him working with who he wants to and my fear is that we’ll have another crack at trying to drag ourselves into the Champions League with the ‘one more job for the boys’ type signings, versus just accepting the reality… football isn’t won with contacts, and if Arsenal wants to be like Liverpool, they are going to have be smarter about transfers.

One thing is absolutely clear from this week. Arteta and his coaching staff are desperate to get into the Champions League as quickly as possible. Given the choice of a City like injection or taking it slow, he’s going to go for the fast route in. He wants to win the biggest prizes. That’s why I would not be surprised to see him entertain the offerings that’ll come his way.

He’ll take Coutinho if it’s offered because regardless of where he is now in his career, he’s better than what we have. Willian is a very good professional and gives us something we don’t have. I wouldn’t take either of them, because we’ve seen what signing players on the way out does to the squad.

We should be focusing on a 5-year plan. Ship out the players that are problematic to the culture. Find new homes for players that aren’t mentally up to the task. Don’t make the mistake of thinking you can save a body part that has started to go green.

We don’t have a lot of money, we have a disgraceful wage bill, and Raul has been doing everything in his power to exacerbate both problems. Arsenal should not be giving anyone £250k a week unless it’s Auba. We should not be signing any players over the age of 30. We should be clearing our wage bill, upgrading our older players with younger ones, and implementing a plan to be competing for the league and Champions League in 5 years time.

Trying to become elite by investing premium money on players that have no sell on value will not kick us on and it’ll delay the inevitable reality: we have to move to a sustainable approach to player recruitment.

  • Scour the world for value. Look where others aren’t. Or go where RB do. Salzburg have players from Mali, Hungary, Bosnia, Ghana, Japan, and Zambia.
  • Pick up players with 1/2 years on their deals from smaller leagues that blood young players earlier
  • Focus on young players with high ceilings
  • Use data to drive your decisions, not super-agents
  • Accept that to get back to the top, you have to be a selling club
  • Build a conveyor belt with that in mind (Pulisic > Sancho)

Matteo G and Lucas Torreira are prime examples of this in action. Both look likely to move this summer, but we’ll get more than what we paid for, and at the very least, we’ll retain value. The current model of chasing the Champions League with battle-hardened pros has left us with what? Sokratis? Mikhi? Lichtsteiner? Soares? They’ll all be worth nothing, so what’s the point?

We also have to be smarter about players values. Nicolas Pépé might blow up, he might, but we spent such a horrendous amount of money on him, the chances of him having a resale value higher than what we paid is unlikely. He’s a £35m player, not £72m. You only spend that sort of money when you need a VVD or an Alisson. We spent world-class money on someone that still needs a lot of coaching. Again, not saying he can’t come good, just that it’s very hard to think that move was money well spent… but that’s the reality, we don’t have a Head of Football that has the future in mind. He’s rolling the dice with his closest pals, he doesn’t really give much of a shit about how this pans out for Arsenal.

We have all the tools to succeed at the club, the big question is whether there’s a smart plan in place to drive Arsenal forward. My big fear is that this summer will look much like the last one. Rushed deals through a small collection of agents that reek of short-termism.

Let’s hope I’m wrong.

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Freddie Ljungberg

Pedro

So do we blame the scouts for all the dud signings under Wenger and give them credit for all the great ones as well? Who cares who scouted him, we’ve been trying to sign Tierney since he was a wee lad ffs, only matters who made it happen, and unless Sven is into some deep voodoo shit he wasn’t responsible for that.

Wasi

Pedro*

Dissenter

Pedro Did you notice that Arteta wisely calibrated his remarks regarding transfers and walked back his comments. That was a growing up moment for him. He realized that he had opened the door for the likes of Adams to make pejorative comments about the management team. He also then admitted that he [Arteta] has a direct line of communication with the owners. He has to be a good team player to earn the trust of the people around him. There was no way Arteta would have taken that job [the power was stacked in his favor] last Autumn without guarantees… Read more »

Wasi

The mess we are in is because of 10-15 yrs of negligence under Classy Wenger and meek Gazidis.

NEEG

CG 14.36

Raul did not sign off the latest Ozil contract. IG negotiated with the player and his agent and it was signed off by the Manager at the time.

There is a glimmer of light at the end of the tunnel regarding Ozil. There may be some good news before July 2021.

Freddie Ljungberg

Pedro

“net spend higher than Liverpool.”

Yes, Wenger didn’t leave us with a coutinho, he left us with Ozil instead, a cement boots around our ankles. He also left us with a ageing squad on massive wages, how are you raising money in that scenario without losing your only real assets like Auba?

If we have to sell Saliba and Martinelli in a couple of years it’ll be a different story but you can’t just walk into a club and wave a wand selling players without much worth. The Liverpool net spend comparison is as flawed as it gets.

CG

PedRo

“””””CG, you can say that when someone says we’re a well-run operation as we lie in 10th position with a net spend higher than Liverpool.What a comment.”””””

Or Liverpool spend £30 million on agents fees and AFC allegedly spend £15.

They are European and League Champions
They can spend what they like on the Spivs( I would still not be happy, mind)

But Don Raul has sent us 10th.

As Tony Adams recently stated – it’s just not in Arsenals DNA- to do it this way or go down this slippery road.

Dissenter

We had excellent scouting under Wenger
It’s was Wenger’s dithering, indecision and unwillingness to go a bit higher that cost us.
Our scouting was just as good as anything Sven did at BVB. I would suggest even better if yiou read Wenger’s list of “almost-signed players”
The difference was that Michael Zorc was a world class sporting director interpreting Sven’s data while Wenger was operating on fumes in that department.

SpanishDave

We have like many clubs a lot of parasites hanging around as there is a lot of dosh to be had.
All that matters is that Arteta gets a few players he needs.
Cut out the politics within the club .

The Backpass

If you dont like people calling you out on your ridiculous bullshit, then Pls ban me.

Its not the end of the world.

Marc

It makes me laugh when someone uses football journalists in the context of “they’re saying this because it’s good for Arsenal”. Football journalists fucking hate us and always have.

If they’re going after Sanllehi it’s not because of some sense of loyalty to or wanting to protect Arsenal.

Freddie Ljungberg

Pedro

Agreed he should have been sold 2 years before his contract expired, not when he could smell the bosman money in the air. Not really on Raul though, that’s another Wenger/Gazidis combo meal.

Marc

“Freddie, call me crazy, but I’d start by not letting Aaron Ramsey leave on a free.”

And how do you stop a player leaving when he’s had a deal on the table for months – MONTHS – and still hasn’t signed it?

You would have thought that any player with a long history of injury problems would be keen to get a deal signed ASAP to give him some financial protection.

Pedro remind me – when the deal was pulled how long was Ramsey away from being able to sign a pre contract with an overseas club?

Wasi

freddie

Add a bit of Emery garnish on that meal too.
We didnt have 1 good sale in all the years Gazidis was here.
We had 2 great sales in 1 summer under Raul

Freddie Ljungberg

You can’t be serious when making comments like that Pedro, just trolling.

“Wenger left Emery with a better squad than Emery left Arteta.”

No wingers, keeper on the way out past his best, ageing players, a spiralling wage bill. There was absolutely no future for that squad at all. Now we have several positions locked in for the long term with top quality players. Sure it took some of them a while to get going and adapting this season, and we’re a bit light on PL experience but that statement is just ridiculous.

Wasi

‘Good man. I don’t get the drawing of hard lines of Raul. Not just yet anyway. We are clearly on the up and up so not too much to complain about right now. Ceballos and Luiz were highly suspect for me from last summer to 6 weeks ago but at least one has calmed my nerves.’ Thats what I’m saying. Expecting Raul to fix a mess that has accumulated itself for the last 10-15 years and then shaming someone to not be able to do that in 1 transfer window’s time is absolute idiotic. Dont think we’ll see a better… Read more »

Freddie Ljungberg

Absolutely the right move to yank the contract after Gazidis was out the door. If he would have signed on the money rumoured we would have never got rid of him. Watch Juve try now. If they’re lucky they can get a swap deal for him but who is going to take a injury prone player on 400k a month who spends half the season on the physios bench and the rest trying to get back into form just to have a handful of good games per season? Good riddance. Should have been sold the year before though.

Marc

“Also, remind me… when you pull a deal from player, how is it the players fault?” Well that depends, if the contract has been negotiated quickly and in good faith and is then pulled then it isn’t the players fault. If a player has an offer that meets everything he wants and is still “too busy” to sign when he’s a matter of weeks away from being able to sign a pre contract with another club and is just stringing Arsenal along as a fall back then I say he made his own bed. Again Sanllehi showed some balls and… Read more »

Marc

Un

Kim Dumb Durham’s losing the fucking plot.

Receding Hairline

“Wenger left Emery with a better squad than Emery left Arteta.”

No wonder you are threatening bans if this is the “truth” you are pushing today

Marc

Oh Pedro’s getting twitchy and deleting comments!

Surely those comments were only holding him to account?

Sid

DissenterJuly 20, 2020 16:33:39
Pedro
Gazidis is living up to your hype…just 10 years later than expected.

And its all for free!

Wasi

The Ramsey deal was pulled because Emery decided he was not the player he thought Ramsey was ( a 10 that is).
It was first , Ramsey’s fault to delay it so much to get a better deal and then Emery didnt want him all of a sudden.
Glad we didn’t give him the deal he wanted even tho I loved him as a player.

Marc

Un

I think the “media” and “journalists” are facing a major problem at the moment – and not just football.

The recent media coverage of COVID has got to the point I can’t watch the news any more for more than 5 minutes without having a rant because of the bullshit, lies and agenda’s. Lots of people I know have just stopped watching the news altogether.

It’s not a healthy position.

Marc

Pedro

Where (what comment) was I rude or question your integrity?

Taking the piss out of you yes – rude? Not yet.

Marc

“Could do with him in our midfield right now, that’s for sure.”

He’d most likely be injured!

Jamie

I’m still not sure what Ramsey’s best position is.

Danny S

I think Arteta could have done something special with Ramsey. At one point he looked a gem of a player and could finish from anywhere. He just never had a clear role, or any discipline.

And on Pepe, if we get 5 years of 10+ goals and 10+ assists per season he’d have been worth the money especially when if sell him on for 40 odd mil.

Danny S

Jamie

If he’d have been coached and managed properly he would have been a great B2B mid. His engine and his ability to arrive late in the box was amazing.

Wasi

Ramsey as a box to box 8 in a balanced 4-3-3 would be a G/A beast ( if he stays fit)

Marc

Pedro

Your disappointment? How do you think my Mum feels?

Freddie Ljungberg

Pedro Sure, Raul could have invented a time machine, joined the club earlier and sold Ramsey before he ran his contract down to 1 year. Or you know, we could blame the people that actually made that happen. I searched for any 50m bids for Ramsey and the only results that came up was Wenger saying 5 years ago that he wouldn’t sell him for 50m, Juve trying to paw him away to Man u for Pogba and give them 50m as well and a mention by the esteemed news paragon that is football london that we wanted to sell… Read more »

Dissenter

Pedro ““Wenger left Emery with a better squad than Emery left Arteta.” Not true The additions the club made for Emery were mainly redundant, the ones that made sense needed time to bed in The first summer window – Lichsteiner [no need to say more], Guen [rough diamond], Torriera [needed time to bed in, Pap Sok [neededtime to bed in] The second summer Emery had Tierney [injured] , Saliba [loaned out], Pepe [no pre-season and needed time to bed in] and Ceballos [no English football experience, needed time] The club didn’t do the man any favors. He did deserve his… Read more »

Marc

Pedro

Not sure what you mean by playing the game. The “lively” comments section is a major draw to Le Grove, if you want to turn it into a bland boring anti Sanllehi cult then that’s your choice but it would be cutting your nose off to spite your face.

Wasi

Summer 2018
Ivan Gazidis was still in charge.

Marc

Pedro

“Raul joined in Feb 2018.Ramsey left summer 2019.No need for a time machine. Just sell him summer 2018 if he doesn’t sign a deal.”

I’d agree with all of that if the evidence doesn’t point to Gazidis being in charge of the situation.

In truth we should have sold 2 years before he left.

Freddie Ljungberg

Pedro

Yeah, exactly, he joined when Ramsey had 15 months left on his contract and could already smell the bosman money, if not he would have signed the contract Gazidis had on the table for months.

He should have been sold the year before.

Still not sure where the 50m offer is coming from? Tbh I would have taken 20m but seems no one offered that either.

Marc

Apology accepted Snowflake!

Freddie Ljungberg

Don

he was linked with Barca for 50m 4-5 years ago, never was any substance to it and it wasn’t anything 2 years ago.

Wasi

Pedro

Raul wasnt the Head of anything until Gazidis left.
Until then he was a fixer brought to do what fixers do.

Jamie

So Raul offered £50m for Ramsey while he was at Barca, then a few months later yanked Ramsey’s new deal when he arrived at Arsenal?

Am I understanding that right?

SpanishDave

Surely we are here to discuss things, good healthy argument and not to simply agree if we can put forward a different view.
Rose tinted glasses on Ramsey , Wenger ,Emery we can argue all night long.
We should be discussing the way forward.
Arteta has had a good couple results but he’s had some mares too, so he’s not over the line yet.
Getting a good midfield is key to us going forward plus another regular goal scorer.
Our squad is a long way off being a top four club

Marc

Jamie

Yep that’s how good Sanllehi is for Arsenal – offers £50 million for a £20 million player when he was at Barca and then joined Arsenal.

Apparently it was Sven who turned down the offer.

Freddie Ljungberg

Don

Yeah, I borrowed Vals contacts, super reliable them .

It was just a loose link, no bids and he didn’t go. No substance.

Marc

Un

Do you really think the Arsenal of circa 2014 would have turned down a £50 million offer for Ramsey?

Santino

I think the Pepe 70 million transfer made possible by us selling iwobi for 35 million. That’s how super agents works. One is 35 million at max and other is a 10 million player. We were part of a similar corrupt transaction in bale ozil sale too.

Radio Raheem

Ramsey doing exactly what I said he’d do at Juve – warm the bench.

Havertz to Chelsea a more impressive buy for me than Werner.

Freddie Ljungberg

Don

https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/transfers/aaron-ramsey-to-barcelona-arsenal-midfielder-flattered-by-talk-of-50m-move-to-spain-and-admits-he-10415575.html

only paper links.

Here’s another one to Man u in 2016:

https://www.foottheball.com/transfer-news-manchester-united-interested-in-50m-arsenal-midfielder-ramsey-as-mkhitaryan-alternative/amp/

Didn’t amount to much either.

Don’t believe everything you read in the papers Don, they’re prone to making stuff up. Just a heads up.

Wasi

Pedro

He vouched for Emery is the right word.
It was a panel of 3.
Raul was in favour of Emery and You say Sven was in favour of Arteta so it doesn’t take a genius to figure out whose was the final call. Other than the fact that Gazidis was the highest authority at the club and owned Emery’s appointment in the prezzers.

Ivan G was seen publicly , completing the transfers of Laca and Auba so the notion that Ivan G didn’t have a hand in transfers does not hold power.

Champagne charlie

Conflating the point some..

Ramsey should’ve been signed or sold before the summer ended. Instead he wasn’t and he walked for free. Nice work Raul

salpardisenyc

This incessant need to roger Raul and slate Mislintat is duller than Emery ball.

In the end neither have been epic but one has certainly added a bid of shade to the game by eradicating the other and pushing in a direction thats been questioned by many hence all this journo heat. Thats not even touching on Mislintats afters regarding his time and current direction of Arsenal under Raul.

When the blogosphere around Arsenal tends to agree with one another w/ most Journos picking up the story and running with it. Think theres some there there.

Santino

Un

I was referring to the offers of super agents like if you buy Pepe for 70 we will make a deal for your dummy for 35.

Or if you buy bale for 100 we will trick some poor soul to spend 40 on ozil .

Latest one seem to like if you buy mari and cedric we will give you something special in the summer.

Jamie

Un – I didn’t allege you said anything, I was thinking out loud. Raul would’ve been at Barca the summer the alleged £50m bid for Ramsey was made, then at Arsenal less than a year later when Ramsey’s deal was ‘pulled’. Makes little sense to me. That’s not how I would deal with a major asset I was pursuing for at least a year. Raul may well be a shyster, but I can’t see how he’s to blame for Ramsey moving to Juventus on a free transfer for £400k a week. What makes far more sense to me is Ramsey’s… Read more »

Freddie Ljungberg

Don

No obviously there was a massive bid for our injury prone player and Wenger turned it down, the papers are always right. Happy now?

CC

It was absolutely the right call to yank the contract, he wasn’t worth that kind of money, maybe on a reduces wage but that wasn’t happening.
We didn’t have much leverage to sell him in 2018 when he could just drag his feet and leave for free. Should have been done the year before. Still, maybe a missed opportunity to get 15-20m for him if we had someone interested.

MLC

My team was even relegated after the Kia mess, so any of his players are a big no for me, that guy is trouble

Jamie

Also, and sorry to harp on about it, but you can’t sell a player who doesn’t want to leave and would rather ride out their contract.

Ask Mesut Ozil. Not now, obviously. He’s playing in a fortnite tournament.

Freddie Ljungberg

Don

Hardly 50m is it though, and he wouldn’t have got 400k in wages then so who is taking him out back and “convincing” him to leave? Don Raul?

Santino

Can’t see any cl epl team buying Ramsey at that time. If fergie was still there he might have. Like the time he bought alan smith just to piss Leeds off.

Champagne charlie

Freddie Im not disputing yanking the contract, but the errors were committed before that point. Idk what you’re talking about with us “lacking leverage” the summer before, we’d just changed manager and structure. If the new guy turns up and says ‘you’re not getting renewed under me, we’re listening to offers’ Ramsey isn’t sitting in the shadows for a whole year. It was a weak decision that we ultimately lost heavily from, really that simple. What came after is academic. Also not a hindsight thing either because numerous folk on here were clamouring for greater upheaval to really signify a… Read more »

Jamie

John Cross strikes again!

Champagne charlie

There you go…

Emery’s big impression was to con Ramsey into staying only to walk for free. What a manager.

Valentin

Pedro,

I think that you are wasting your time.
Even if Raul were to told them face to face what he did that, they would still refuse to believe it.
Remember when they were still defending Emery about Ramsey injury even after Emery had publicly admitted his responsibility.

Freddie Ljungberg

Pedro Probably helps if you read your own sources “John Cross on beIN SPORTS: #AFC did turn down a bid as high as £50m from Man United for Aaron last summer. Aaron decided to move forward with Arsenal and met with Emery who told him he is one of five players he cannot do without” So even if John Cross was right… The summer before places the alleged bid in 2017, when Wenger and Gazidis ruled the nest. Like I said, we should have sold him that summer but again, blame the right people. . although I did hear that… Read more »

Wasi

So now we believe football london today.
Great time to be alive. Even Benge has inside info now.

Even if the bid was true , No way Arsene would sell Rambo to ManU after Rvp debacle.

Champagne charlie

Everton beating Sheffield United. Come on stars, get in line.

Pedro
Was clear as day that the lad was given a push, just fucking stupid that it came a year after he’d have got pushed for cash. Emery with a blinder as per.

Radio Raheem

“This incessant need to roger Raul and slate Mislintat is duller than Emery ball.”

This

That

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Here

Well said

Freddie Ljungberg

Pedro You would have sold him to United in 2017 when Cross said the bid was made? Can’t disagree with that. That doesn’t have anything to do with Raul though, he came to the club with Ramsey on 15 months left of his contract, and Gazidis left when he had 12 months left. If Ramsey wants to hold out for a double your money deal at Juve there’s not much to be done at that stage. I’m sure we’ve been trying to get rid of Ozilfor example since at least last summer but unless you’re willing to assassinate him what… Read more »

Radio Raheem

Pedro

I get your point. It’s hard passing time between matches. Imagine Arsenal losing tomorrow… Hahaha

Champagne charlie

Nobody except Paulinho would’ve cared much that United bought Ramsey, he’d have gotten a full spread on Sky Sports only for United fans to spend the following summer calling him agent Ramsey for hoovering up wages from his deck chair.

Same way Ramsey got the massive build up for Juve that was apparently some qualification of his class. 12 months later and they want to bin him. Hands up if you’re shocked….oh…just the one.

englandsbest

Nowadays the big problem for a manager is getting his players to believe in him. Pre-Bosman it was easier or, more precisely, it mattered less. Fear was a powerful instrument for a manager, they tended to be scary people. All sorts of ploys are used nowadays by managers to get players onside. I mean, Chelsea players really believed that Jose was the Special One. Others – like Pep – dazzle through tactics. Brendan by cosying up to layers, Klopp by his togetherness mystique, Wenger by isolated superiority, Zeus on Olympus. No matter how, above all a winning manager must make… Read more »

The Godfather

Y’all dudes need a timeout.

This has become a Cyber-Beirut with a shootouts at every corner. Jeez how can one article rule so many people up?

This is crazy today LMAO

Champagne charlie

Who will be Richarlison’s next club?

Top attributes for the prem, but he cost 50 mil so they’ll want a good return for him.

Champagne charlie

Wonder if Everton want to do some more horrible business with us and Richarlison can land at the carpet?

Great profile, age, he’s Brazilian which is a necessity now i think.

Freddie Ljungberg

Don

Read the article Pedro linked. I even quoted John Cross above to make it easy for you.

The article was from the summer of 2018 and he said we turned down 50m from Man U the previous summer, so in 2017. How does that vindicate anything you or Pedro has said?

I’ve said the whole time we should have sold him with 2 years left of his contract, Wenger and Gazidis didn’t and here we are with Juve desperately trying to get rid.