A different kind of disappointment?

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Arsenal failing to take their chances and losing a lead late in the game? That feels a little more Arsenal. That feels like a weird kind of progress.

Last night’s game against Brendan Rodgers excellent Leicester team marked a step forward in attacking football under Arteta. We dominated the first half, utterly. We were given far more space than we were against Wolves and we fully exploited it bar the finish. This wasn’t purposeless possession.

Auba opened the scoring after Saka killed a career with a one-two shuffle and a pinpoint cross.

Leicester had a goal disallowed after Kola was down in an attacking scrum with Iheanacho. A good call in my opinion.

Our second half wasn’t that pretty, Leicester came to play and we didn’t react particularly well.

The msot contentious issue was our sending off. Eddie was subbed on and made a very clumsy challenge and to my mind, was rightly sent home for an early shower. What didn’t quite compute was Jamie Vardy kicked Mustafi in the head in what looked like a professional ‘accident’, and he didn’t even land a card. One was sly, one was dim.

Our confidence and game collapsed around that decision, then Jamie V broke our line and sneaked a goal at the back post. It looked offside on the VAR, it took the customary 8 minutes to decide, and it stood.

We was robbed.

We fluffed our lines in the first half, witnessed a worldy from Kaspar, and conceded late on.

Very Arsenal.

The point was a disappointment. I’ll take it regardless. After the Wolves game, the ghouls were writing us off against a ‘proper’ team, and really, we should have taken the game. That first half, under normal circumstances, would have seen us 3 goals up.

I’d bitch about the reffing, but you have to cost it in. Leicester made 14 fouls and didn’t get a booking, we had a booking and sending off on 10.

The night wasn’t to be.

Champions League football is no longer a prize.

Though a scalp in the NLD certainly is.

You can say whatever you want about the red card (Arteta’s 4th), you can pretend Matteo was making a difference, you can bitch that taking Auba off was a bad move… the reality is we are now competing with good teams.

The football was almost sexy in the first half. The defending for the most part was solid. We do not look like uncoachables these days.

There is still a lot of work to do, but coming away from a game against a top 3 game feeling robbed is part of the journey.

I don’t want to feel like that on Sunday. Mikel’s first NLD in the dugout will hopefully be special. Let’s see what we have there.

I will take a better kind of disappointment.

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  1. Dissenter

    At the rate we are going, we’ll soon have 15 defenders on our books.
    It’s not like the muppets running the club haven’t made mistakes before, to expect that corralling a temperamental 20 year old into a meeting will result in him backing off is a mistake of epic proportions.
    To start leaking stuff to tarnish his standing is even worse. Hope the Arsenal team learn from this.

  2. Valentin

    Dissenter,

    This is exactly what I have been arguing about. It looks like the management team went into the meeting swinging hard and were taken aback when he replied rather than caved in and apologised.

    A little more insight in psychology would have tell them, that it was the wrong approach and that with such character confrontations can quickly escalate.

    The fact that he is forced to train on his own until he apologise or is sold (whatever comes first) is really a consequence of that heavy handedness.

    The real loser here is Arsenal, because I have no doubt that he will fail upward. The fee will lowered because everybody know that we want to get rid of him. And the caliber of teams interested may be higher than Arsenal. Barcelona, Inter are sniffing around him. He is not joining a League 2 club.

  3. Sid

    Mikel Arteta’s Arsenal rank top for the percentage of turnovers ending in a foul this season on 7.8.

  4. GunnerDNA

    If it’s the Brighton incident causing this latest over the top drama with Matteo Guendouzi, I hope they tell them to fcuk off. The manager is right to have a word with him but it shouldn’t get to the point where this kid is basically training on his own. Jack Wilshere has issues too and I don’t remember AW treating him like this. Other players will be looking at this incident and saying to themselves this clown tripping and it’s just a matter it time before they stop listening to him. Eric Dier ran in the stands to whopped someone ass and was found guilty, charged and banned and he’s not been talked badly about than a 21yr kid who act up because a player intentionally hurt his teammate. The campaign to prove he’s a problem child is only harming the Arsenal. The kid haven’t said a word on social media to disrespect the club but he’s been dragged across all corners of London. Shame on Arsenal to deal with the situation like this.

  5. Majesticgooner

    Apparently arsenal ar the dirtiest team in the league, really? These officials should be ashamed of themselves, we had a good example of that on Tuesday, Leicester city committed more fouls than us, yet we received more bookings than them, if I were the club I would embark on some serious investigation to show these crooked officials up for what they really are, even the bank transactions. How can we be the dirtiest in a league that has the Burnley’s , the Sheffield United of this world? Last night a worse challenge by a Burnley player only gets a yellow card, Jamie Vardys kick went unpunished after review, something has to be done about elleray and his gang.

  6. Dissenter

    Valentin
    Do you remember they incident where Diego Costa bullied Koschielny like a little boy and only Gabriel Paulista stood up to him. Words were exchanged in that incident.
    Did you see Wenger over-react?…..No

    When Maupay recklessly injured Leno, Arteta said he didn’t see it properly but went out of his way to defend Maupay… “ , “I believe that no player has the intention to hurt anybody and I believe in this case it’s exactly the same, it was unfortunate.

    Arteta backed the opposition player who needlessly injured his goalie and over-reacted against a 20 year old who definitely said too much. Arteta too needs to do some maturing in his management style. He even made the mistake of reacting to Maupay’s taunts that the Arsenal players are over-entitled.

  7. Ishola70

    Sid
    “Mikel Arteta’s Arsenal rank top for the percentage of turnovers ending in a foul this season on 7.8.”

    And that would most likely be coming from the midfield area.

  8. Jamie

    What is really disappointing is all these leaks out of the club.

    They were embarrassing under Emery and they’re embarrassing now. Not sure allowing all this salacious press about Gendouzi is solid leadership.

    Anyway, let’s smash Spurs this weekend, and all this tabloid nonsense surrounding him becomes moot. He’s likely to be moved on this summer for a net profit, so not a catastrophe.

  9. Uwot?

    Majestic agree.But it’s not Ellery? It’s that c** t Mike Riley who pulls the strings at the PGMOL.Thats why we’ve been shafted for the last Dozen years or so.

  10. Thorough

    Even the rotten FA had a look at the incident and felt there was no need to punish him. But no, we think they’re wrong. When next we get red carded we should know they’re trying to borrow a leaf from us. What’s next, burn the boy at the stake, charge him for crime against the universe?

  11. Sid

    Ishola70July 9, 2020 10:20:59

    Apparently its a tactic by Arteta

    “I am learning new things – how to go, when to stay, when I have to do a tactical foul. It’s good for me to learn these things” Rodri told ESPN following his move to City

    Arteta has also become embroiled in the debate. In the Amazon documentary, ‘All or Nothing’, which charted City’s centurion seasons, he is seen telling players: “Make fouls if there is a transition.”

    Guardiola was asked about this in the same press conference as issued his impassioned defence of his coaching methods. He quickly directed journalists to Arsenal to “ask Mikel”.

  12. GunnerDNA

    Its going to be interesting hearing why Mikle Arteta finally dumped Ozil after playing him in his first 10 games. The Mattéo Guendouzi situation is taking all the attention away from Ozil who suddenly deemed not good enough to make the bench that has too much defenders after featuring in 10 straight games. Is it the wage cut situation, discipline or training?

  13. Valentin

    Dissenter,

    Yes I remember that. I don’t know if Arteta is naive enough to believe what he said or if he get out of his way to look like a good guy to the public. Looks like he Play the good guy outside and the tough guy inside.

    In my experience most successful managers play it the other way around. Good guy inside and tough guy outside. Ferguson, Wenger, Mourinho (before he lost his mojo) all didn’t take shit from the oppositions, referees, press but were loved in house and viewed as father figure. You defend your player from outside even if inside you read them the riot act.

    I understand that Arteta is too young to naturally play the father figure so he is trying to exert more control, but instead of letting the media dictate his message, he should be more forceful in his defense of Arsenal.
    Ruffle a few feathers by making noise that enough is enough, Arsenal is not treated fairly in comparison to the opposition. Demand that referees start punishing repeated niggling fouls. Give cards for persistent foulings.

    That will ingrate him to both players and fans alike.

  14. Nelson

    As I football fan, I hate Ozil much more than Guen. He is stealing money from the club. He didn’t give an effort to contribute. Guen gave his heart out. He needs support. As a fan, I would show some love instead of throwing stone when he is down.

  15. Tee

    Val,
    In your experience? Which experience?
    The good managers are tough outside and good inside? Like you know the going ons in the club?

    We are all speculating based on what the media are dishing out on this issue.

    Arteta hasn’t said anything to warrant foaming in the mouth like you have it here. He was asked about ozil and guen and all he said was the situation remains the same. Don’t forget that after the mupauy incident , Arteta said he will treat it in private.

    Besides, what you read on the social media, do you have an inside info on the proceedings?

    Beckham was made to train with the reserve by Ferguson which was known to all and sundry. So, I don’t know where all this good managers of a thing is coming from.

    If guen changes, according to Arteta, he plays else, he remains ostracized from the team.

    Guendiuzi’s formal coach said something about his attitude issue which I posted. Do you expect the coaches to pat him at the back because he is the second coming of Viera?

    This is one of the shite that led us to where we are today. Holding onto average players in the stead of buying good ones.

    If not for the deterioration of the team, guen shouldn’t even make the bench let alone playing over 100 games.

    He isn’t better than our bench even in the days of Denison no to talk not to talk of the days of Viera.

  16. Dissenter

    Valentin
    I agree
    I thought he failed miserably by not validating the feelings of his goal keeper who was so pissed off he sat up on his stretcher, ignored the searing pain and went after Maupay. Players know when the fouls are uncalled for.
    Arteta didn’t even acknowledge Leno’s feelings publicly…just backed Maupay is a very sheepish way. What made it worse is that he said he didn’t see the foul.

    I hate it when Arsenal keeps trying to embrace this conservative ‘class’ image to the extent that they are willing to throw players under the bus. Our mist successful teams have been anything but choir boys. Arteta never played in our unsuccessful era so he has no idea what winning Arsenal values are. He’s no repository of the so called values.
    I loved Wenger in those glory days because he never saw nothing and never heard anything. He would never say a bad thing about his players in public. He would defend them to the hilt. That’s used to drive the media wild but it worked for him.

    I thought Artet a could have just said what Guendouzi was alleged to have uttered to Maupay is boorish but is a lot less that recklessly injuring another professional. That’s would have put a stop to the entire nonsense. Defend the player publicly then you have leverage to castigate him in private – that’s how it should work.

  17. GunnerDNA

    Nelson,

    “As I football fan, I hate Ozil much more than Guen. He is stealing money from the club. He didn’t give an effort to contribute”

    I’m no fan of anything Ozil either, I’m just curious why all of a sudden him and Mikel suddenly not on the same page.

    Val,

    “I understand that Arteta is too young to naturally play the father figure”

    No, he’s not! I honestly think he’s trying too hard to copy Pep G. I could be wrong but it would be better for him to take a leaf from AW book on how to treat his players

  18. Sid

    One of Sir Alex Ferguson’s most notable characteristics was his ability to successfully man-manage his players.

    He was a disciplinarian when he needed to be and a caring paternal figure on other occasions.

    According to his biographer, Martin Baker

  19. Dissenter

    Tee
    How do you think all these drip-drip s smearing of Guendouzi is coming from?
    The club is leaking stuff to friendly journalists, that’s what’s happening.

  20. The Godfather

    “ The campaign to prove he’s a problem child is only harming the Arsenal. The kid haven’t said a word on social media to disrespect the club but he’s been dragged across all corners of London. Shame on Arsenal to deal with the situation like this.”

    👍👍👍👍👍👍

  21. Valentin

    Tee,

    I don’t foam at the mouth, I simply voice the opinion that I disagree with how the club went about their business with Guendouzi.

    I wrote earlier, using the word of Bernard Casoni and Landreau to judge Guendouzi is akin to listen to Tony Pulis judgement of Serge Gnabry. Nobody with 2 cents of common sense and knowledge of them would listen to them. Both have since been sacked from their position
    at Lorient after disastrous results and open rebellion by players.

    Arteta went out of his way to exonerate Maupay from any wrong doing when it was clear Leno injury was the result of an unnecessary shove. Maupay was in the wrong and he knew it.

    That may do wonder for his appearances on Sky, but I am not sure that inside players have the same opinion. Leno in particular was clearly viewed remonstrated with Maupay.

    I did not say anything about the quality of Guendouzi, because I have never been a fan of him. Right now he is not at the level I want our midfield to be. However I do believe that with proper coaching and maturity he can become a very good player a la Busquet.

    Anyway you miss the point. The issue is not whether the player is good or bad, but whether the way the situation was handled is correctly and whether that would benefit Arsenal in the long run.

    We can’t be tossing aside young hot headed players and then complain a few years later when they become one world beater at another club.

  22. DigitalBob

    Robert Huth during the Leicester match said this could be a test from Arteta to see what type of mentality Guendouzi has and if he can come back a better more well rounded individual. All evidence from previous managers and ITK’s suggest this is not one-off behaviour so this could be as some have said the end of his career at the club. I personally would rather keep him but not if doing so ends up undermining Arteta.

    The fact that he’s being linked with Barca, Real, Atlético and Real show the kid has clear potential to be a quality midfielder and make it at a top club.
    A swap with Real that gives us Ceballo’s on a permanent deal feels like we are being short changed and a swap with Arsenal paying cash plus Guen for Coutinho feels like an overpay. A player for player swap with Partey seems to make sense but is Guen really going to from a guy like Arteta to Diego Simeone?

  23. Tee

    Dissenter,

    I’m not in support the leaking of info to the press by club functionaries and at the same time I’m challenging those who have been trying to make the whole things to be all about Arteta.

    Arteta was clear from the beginning about his standards. He was also clear when asked about ozil and guen. He said the situation remains the same.

    Why then is everyone implying it could be that Arteta hates guen?

    Though debatable there are some online blogs with the believe guen doesn’t want to be selected let alone play for us again. Should Arteta be begging him like he is not expendable?

    Even arseblog posted something today on ceballous and guen. I know who to believe between arseblog and Valentin

  24. S Asoa

    From footballing angle Guendouzi has to compulsively move with the ball until his 8 bit brain can figure what to do. The only positive is that his passes are accurate. On the other hand , to change direction he must starboard turn like a steamer which manoeuver is not possible in the fast paced Premier League so he passes back too often. All in all Guendouzi slows down the game.
    Now we have been seeing how a game can progress without Guendouzi, best is to hype the kid and sell him to the highest bidder. Barca interest might be paper talk since he does not suit their game very obviously. The most important asset is his aggression and fighting spirit.
    Best would be to sell instead of letting him fester here

  25. Ishola70

    Let’s be crystal clear Don.

    Crystal.

    Mattie G has shown more overall footballing ability than Willock.

    When Willock bosses a game and is an absolute monster which we saw from Mattie G against Spurs second half then we can think of Willock as on the same level as an overall player.

  26. Valentin

    Tee,

    Get off your high horse.

    The issue is a question of opinion on the treatment of a player.

    If Guendouzi was impossible to deal on a daily basis and terrible as a player, the club would have no hesitation in selling him.
    Clearly the club is now leaking that they don’t want to sell because they also see that as a personality conflict.

    None of his previous coaches even Casoni questioned Guendouzi application to work, just how he reacts to disagreement. So the real question for the club is how to deal with a problem child to avoid situation like that to explode.

  27. The Godfather

    “ I wrote earlier, using the word of Bernard Casoni and Landreau to judge Guendouzi is akin to listen to Tony Pulis judgement of Serge Gnabry. Nobody with 2 cents of common sense and knowledge of them would listen to them. Both have since been sacked from their position
    at Lorient after disastrous results and open rebellion by players.”

    👍👍👍👍👍

  28. S Asoa

    Quoting Tim from 7am ( A morning guy😂)

    “ And it’s not easy to dominate Leicester and get under their skin the way that we did. Leicester under Rodgers are a high-tempo, smash-mouth side. Second in the League in total tackles – which isn’t necessarily good or bad but rather illustrates how Rodgers wants them to play, he wants them to tackle a lot.
    But Arsenal gave back as much as they got and I wasn’t at all surprised that Jamie Vardy raked his studs on Mustafi’s face. Nor was I surprised that the referee didn’t see it, nor that the VAR referee didn’t punish it. There are two tricks to being REALLY dirty in English football: 1) attack the opponent first, I mean really get stuck in a lot – English refs almost never punish the guy/team who tackles first but almost ALWAYS punish any retribution. Guys like Roy Keane, Joey Barton, and so on made entire careers of this; 2) If you want to intentionally hurt someone, flail around while falling over – you can literally get away with scraping your studs on a man’s face if you do that. The more you can make this look like an accident, the more likely you are to get away with it. But whatever you do, don’t raise your boot to try to win the ball while all alone in the middle of the pitch. “

    There is something off when psychology takes precedence over excellence in Sports

  29. GunnerDNA

    “Joe willock has done more for arsenal football club this season, largely from the bench than Guendouzi has in the last two.
    Arteta clearly agrees because he’s rather keep Joey boy and bin the mong”

    Your’e ignoring an important fact that Joe Willock is a championship level player

  30. The Godfather

    From Julien Lauren’s:

    “ I think he’s very passionate, he loves this club, we’ve seen some of the celebrations and the incidents, but sometimes that passion goes over [the top] and he does crazy things like the things we saw against Brighton which he should’ve never done.“

    If this is what’s wrong about Guendouzi then I wish we had a whole squad of Similar players rather than con artists and fake players like Ozil and Xhaka.

  31. Guns of Hackney

    I’m sorry but if Guedenzi is a cunt, then he has to go. He doesn’t haven’t the ridiculous talent that might allow him to be a cunt…so that means, he’s just a cunt.

    So what if he’s never acted up with another coach…as if insinuating that it’s Arteta that’s at fault. He’s a 22 year old millionaire who has silly hair and has probably read a few comments that have made him believe he’s a Billy Big Balls.

    He’s a total non entity and this should t even be a talking point. Period.

    I’d rather have a team of 11 lads that pull together than one bad apple spoiling the bunch. He’s got to go.

  32. Guns of Hackney

    This is what happens when punks get rich fast. Basically he’s a spotty virgin, the next minute he’s a spotty virgin millionaire…it takes a while to process that shit.

    He needs to learn skills.

  33. azed

    I have repeatedly asked Pedro to spill the beans on what Guendozi did. Every Arsenal player right now is sell able to for the right price but if the rumours are true that Guendozi has been asked to train alone until sold or he apologises, then we’ve mostly likely shot ourselves in the foot.

    With the way things are going, we will have to sell Guendozi at half price or keep him on our books for a further season and we already have enough leaches at the club.

  34. Olumide

    Guendouzi isn’t even the most talented young player at Arsenal and he can do whatever he wants?

    What’s Guendouzi really great at as a centre midfielder? Passing? Running? Jump? Tackling?

    At least we know Saka can deliver dangerous balls and he has the numbers to support that.

    At least we know Martinelli is a fox in the box and he has numbers to support it.

    It’s rare for a player with a stinking attitude to make it in football. Balotelli was far more talented than Guendouzi and where is he now?

    And people mentioning Ferguson. You think Ferguson will accept this kind of behaviour? Ferguson fucked far bigger and better players at Man United. Players who were actually influential to Man United’s game.

    Has our midfield gotten worse since Guendouzi was removed from the team?

    While people say Arteta should cuddle Guendouzi to cultivate his talent, we also have to remember that Guendouzi has a responsibility to rein in his stupid behaviour to grow his career.

    Personally, I would sell Guendouzi today with that kind of stinking attitude. I fully support Arteta on that decision.

  35. Valentin

    At work I have experienced a similar situation to what Mikel is facing. While I was at meeting, somebody from another department made some disparaging comments about our teams. One of my team member took really umbrage of the comment. Things quickly escalated and a full barrage of insults were spewed.

    The initial provocateur made an official HR complaint about him. So myself, my team member, the provocateur, his boss got summoned to an official meeting by HR.

    It was my first meeting as manager with HR, so having no clue what to expect I asked my previous boss for advice. He told me how to resolve the issue.

    First thing he told me is that If you go into that meeting without having already resolved the issue with your team member, all hell will break lose and nobody will end up a winner.
    I also got lucky that because the company had launched a new internal mental health campaign with free consultations with a shrink.

    I had a meeting with my team member where I stressed to him the risk if thing were going out of hand. I suggested that he could apologise and that I will request that the provocateur also apologise. I will also spew some BS about anger management issue and attending some shrink sessions.
    During the official meeting, the provocateur tried to play the victim and it backfired on him. He was viewed as belligerent during the meeting and put on warning. At the next round of redundancies he was let go.

    From our side, I made sure that my team member attended anger management session. I also arrange to have fornightly meeting with him so he could vent any issue with me before they could escalate.

    If my previous boss had not given me the key to the solution. The situation would have ended very differently.

  36. Sid

    The manager has a track record of asking his players to commit tactical fouls,
    the opposition then gets stuck in and it ends in tears for our kumbaya boys

    Im telling you for free!

  37. Champagne Charlie

    Dissenter

    Your disdain for Arteta is laughable, one of these days you’re going to provide actual support for half the drivel you come out with. Or not, you’ll likely continue to sling mud and dip into the shadows when pressed on it.

  38. Dissenter

    These rumors about Arsenal trying to sign Malang Sarr on a free transfer from from Nice are laughable.
    The lad is a left-footed central defender who was allowed to run out his contract because he too has temperament issues. How many times do clubs allow 21 year- olds to run out their contracts?
    Firstly didn’t we just sign Pablo Mari to play the same role in a squad bursting with central defenders?
    Secondly, Arteta and the Arsenal management are struggling to manage one 20 year old temperamental French player, why throw our hat into the ring for another 21 year old French player?
    They need to develop a profile of the type of players that Arteta can manage, then seek such players.
    Just goes to show that someone needs to give Raul/Edu/Arteta the same treatment they gave Guendouzi – bash them publicly.

  39. Ishola70

    Dissenter

    “They need to develop a profile of the type of players that Arteta can manage, then seek such players.”

    The push out here is that Teets can’t manage certain players. A plethora of players.

    This is a serious allegation against Teets and I expect uproar on here at such a suggestion.

  40. Dissenter

    CC
    Your SUCK-UP to Arteta is laughable as is your penchant for trying to squash debate about him . One of these days you’re going to provide actual support for the “guidelines” that Guendouzi violated . It really doesn’t matter because you won’t stop sling mud and dipping into the shadows when pressed on it.

    Thanks for creating the template to turn the mirror right back at ya.

    I don’t detest Arteta. I just don’t see any basis for assuming he’s the second coming of Pep. I’m cautiously optimistic but won’t hold back my criticism of what I see going on.

  41. Olumide

    Dissenter
    Just goes to show that someone needs to give Raul/Edu/Arteta the same treatment they gave Guendouzi – bash them publicly.

    Who bashed Guendouzi publicly?

  42. Sid

    The stats
    Mikel Arteta’s Arsenal rank top for the percentage of turnovers ending in a foul this season on 7.8.

    since Unai Emery’s departure as Arsenal head coach, that figure has actually risen to 8.2%. Since November 21, not only are Arsenal the leading foulers per turnover lost in the league, they are also 0.9% clear of the next closest teams – Manchester City

  43. Thorough

    Julien Laurens states clearly that this is a clash between ‘a stubborn player and a stubborn manager’. However the board, against their wish to keep Guen, will consider selling the player if he can’t apologize to the manager.

    Deductions: We’ll back Arteta against Guen even though they’re both committing the same crime.

    So let’s sell Guen and hope Arteta never experiences this again. Let’s hope he has 30 years of coaching where all his players will be meek lambs that ask ‘how high’ whenever he says ‘jump’.

  44. Dissenter

    Ishola
    I was just wondering if a 21 year old defender running out his contract shouldn’t raise red flags.
    For all you know the lad has spoken to Guendouzi and is telling Arsenal to do one. Take your self-righteous ‘class” and stick it where the sun don’t shine.

  45. Dissenter

    Olumide
    The selective leaking of information [from Arsenal] amounts to a public castigation.
    If we are going to sell him then his transfer value needs to be protected as his right to a little privacy on the way out.
    Wenger used to move out players and no one will hear a squeak about what happened. That was the classy way of doing it.

  46. Champagne Charlie

    Dissenter

    No I quash bullshit narrative from your sort who conjure a ‘truth’ from absolutely nowhere.

    Not once have I stated exactly what guidelines Guendouzi has failed to adhere, I’m merely reacting to the noise coming from significant sources.

    You’re taking that noise and making up a counter to it because it suits your brain dead ideas you’ve been peddling for a hot minute.

    Where are those quotes from Arteta on Guendouzi that Pep would never come out with again? OH THATS RIGHT….it was another one of your bullshit statements that had no substance when pressed. Instead you fucked off and caught a dose of selective hearing when asked for them.

    Keep on trucking though, sure you’ll land one eventually.

  47. Wilshere's mum

    With stars aligned and some ambitious business this could happen this summer;
    Sell/Funding:
    Özil loan to Fenerbace/US save 150k –> Auba salary.

    Partey – swap Lacazette

    P. Mari 8m
    – Elneny – 8m

    Depay – 30m
    – Guendozi to PSG 35m

    Thiago – 30m
    – Miki 10m Roma
    – Guendozi 5m
    – Kolasinac 15m

    Cavani Salary – 300k
    – Sokratis 3m
    – Arsenal funding 1y. Özil salary.

    Ceballos – 30m
    – Torreira – 30m

    Imagine this squad:
    Aubameyang Cavani* Depay*
    Martinelli Nketiah Pepé

    Saka Thiago* Thomas*
    Ceballos Xhaka Willock

    Tierney Luiz Mustafi Soares
    Maitland Holding Saliba Bellerin

    Squad: Chambers, Mari, Smith-rowe
    Loan: Dino, Nelson

  48. Sid

    Tactical fouls is what kumbaya boys do, very sneaky cowardly
    men with longstuff are Maupey, Vardy type fouls and get away with

  49. Wilshere's mum

    This summer Arsenal really should push out Ozil, any club willing to pay 100 – 150k salary. Afc take the rest. It’s what United is doing with Sanchez salary.

    Get it done.

    Many different views on Saka. I see him as a De bruyne type of player. And hope he will end up in a midfield of 3.

  50. Dissenter

    CC
    You retreat better than most brilliant military strategists, I give you credit for that.
    No one back-tracks better than you on this blog.
    Cheerio

  51. Words on a Blog

    Guns of Hackney,

    My knowledgeable sources inside the club tell me that, while Guendouzi is indeed, as you put it, both spotty and a cunt, he is emphatically not a virgin.

  52. Champagne Charlie

    Dissenter

    I retreat from absolutely nothing, just more bollocks from your trap as hit the evacuate button on a topic again.

    Those quotes? Oh nvm “cheerio” you’re off again. Shocker

  53. Olumide

    Dissenter
    The selective leaking of information [from Arsenal] amounts to a public castigation.
    If we are going to sell him then his transfer value needs to be protected as his right to a little privacy on the way out.
    Wenger used to move out players and no one will hear a squeak about what happened. That was the classy way of doing it.


    As far as I’m concerned, this is no evidence of public bashing. And for one reason:
    You can’t produce a direct quote from any of them.

    How can you say someone bashed another person publicly when you can even produce direct quotes?

    Information gets leaked all the time in different organizations. It doesn’t mean the organization is responsible for all the leaks.

    And talking about Wenger moving players quietly, do you remember one guy who’s currently Juve’s first keeper? Leaks galore.

  54. The Backpass

    “As far as I’m concerned, this is no evidence of public bashing. And for one reason:
    You can’t produce a direct quote from any of them. How can you say someone bashed another person publicly when you can even produce direct quotes? Information gets leaked all the time in different organizations. It doesn’t mean the organization is responsible for all the leaks. And talking about Wenger moving players quietly, do you remember one guy who’s currently Juve’s first keeper? Leaks galore.”

    Facepalm…

  55. The Backpass

    We’ve got basically the club’s mouthpiece…Ornstein saying He has to apologize before he gets back into the squad, Arteta saying nothing has changed (meaning he hasn’t apologized) as reported by Ornstein, gunnerblog e.t.c.

    Similar to the Koscienly news..hardly would you get direct quotes, but they pass the messages onto trusted journalist.

  56. Valentin

    Unaai,

    The difference is that I did not ask my team member to publicly apologise to me. He was in the wrong, but going into a meeting ready to antagonise him would have resulted in open warfare.

    As a manager you have to know which battle to pick. Somebody should have told Arteta.
    “Have a private meeting with the kid, if necessary take with a senior player as an arbitrator. Listen to the kid, and even if you disagree to some of his grievance show some empathy. You are more likely to get the result that you want.”

    Instead we have two pretend alpha males in a futile contest and nobody willing to back down. De-escalation does not mean lowering your standard, but it starts by making the other feel like you understand and respect him, even if you don’t.

  57. The Backpass

    “Szczesny, who spent 11 years in north London before leaving for Juventus in 2017, told Arsenal’s In Lockdown podcast: “He wasn’t exactly happy about [the selfie] and looking back at it I would never do it again. But I think I was 21 or 22 year old at the time and you really enjoy those kind of things and it was great for me back then.

    Now looking back at it, it was probably childish and I know he wasn’t happy with that one at the time. No punishments whatsoever, but he let me know.
    might not be exactly accurate in the way I report this back to you, but it was kind of, ‘You never see Iker Casillas doing that do you?’ and I was like, ‘Yeah you’re probably right there.’

    Szczesny’s final Premier League appearance for Arsenal came in a 2-0 defeat to Southampton on New Year’s Day in 2015.

    The Poland international made two errors and was fined by Gunners chiefs for smoking in the dressing room showers after the match.

    Szczesny spent the next two seasons on loan at Roma, before joining Juventus for £10million.

    Recalling the smoking incident, he said: “Somebody saw me, it wasn’t even the boss himself, and just reported it back to the boss.

    “I saw him a couple of days later, he asked me if that was true and I said, ‘Yes’. He fined me and that was the end of it.
    He then said, ‘Look, you’re going to be out of the team for a little bit’ but there was no big bust-ups or big confrontations. I was very professional about it.

    “I was fully expecting to be back in the team a few weeks later but we had a good run of form and David Ospina, who came in goal, played really well for those few games. He stayed in.

    “That meant I was waiting and trying to win my place back in the team, or trying to convince him that I was still the best goalkeeper at the club by going out on loan.

    “That sounds strange but sometimes it’s the best way of doing it.'”

  58. Champagne Charlie

    Val

    What exactly is your idea of how Guendouzi should be dealt with?

    Because here’s a kid that had a sit down meeting with Edu and the Manager only to worsen the view of himself were led to believe. Are you claiming that’s a lie?

    If not, then how do you manage a 20 year old who acts in a disapproving way, is called on it, doubles down on it, then refuses to own his actions in the form of an apology and recommitment to the clubs new culture?

    For years Arsenal fans have been left feeling shortchanged by the way some players/staff have little value for being at Arsenal. We have all cried out for someone to enforce stricter guidelines on what it is to be a footballer here, and the second Arteta is doing exactly that there’s fallout about it upsetting a young player who could be good for us.

    It’s such a fucking backwards approach to it I’m honestly staggered to read half the stuff written.

  59. China1

    Wilshere’s Mum you’re going to be very disappointed if you’re hoping for that much action, sir! (Or m’aam)

  60. Dissenter

    Valentin
    “Instead we have two pretend alpha males in a futile contest and nobody willing to back down. De-escalation does not mean lowering your standard, but it starts by making the other feel like you understand and respect him, even if you don’t.’

    Have you changed the tailors cutting your 500 bucks suits tuxedos recently?
    Why am I agreeing with you tens times in a row?

    I don’t even care if Arteta wins the argument, he’s entitled to that from the board – 6 months into his tenure. The point is that it hasn’t been managed properly.

  61. Batistuta

    There’s been no need for the incessant leaks about what the player has or hasn’t done. If he’s out of the team then he’s out, if a professional organization can’t find a way to deal with a 20/21 yr old kid who’s had a bit of bad behavior then what’s the point. Leaking stuff like “if he doesn’t apologize” he’s off is such kindagarten behaviour if you ask me.

    Young players are always going to give you issues, it’s how you deal with it and get them back on track that’s very important.

    I really hope certain posters here know it’s okay to actually criticize the manager, it’s felt like sacrilege to do that on this blog lately with someone always quick to jump on your back for doing that.

  62. The Backpass

    I think the point here is simply the smearing campaign, deal with him internally and not let the whole world know you’ve got issues with a kid.

    How will other players react to this campaign? Or other potential players, because what we can show potential players is the Arsenal name and frankly nothing else. If players see we are using journalist to do their dirty work, it definitely becomes an issue.

    Even Messi is pissed off at Bartomeu over the smear campaign against him.

  63. Pedro

    The pro-Matteo crowd would be eaten alive if they had to manage a squad of footballers.

    Arteta doesn’t need to back down on this. He sets the rules, they must be obeyed. If Guendouzi doesn’t agree, he doesn’t play.

    ‘Have a nice chat and give up on your principles’ is absolutely atrocious leadership on any level.

    The Guen issue has been dealt with well. He’s been given chance after chance, he has consistently let his managers down, now he’ll be moved on.

    That is good leadership. It sets the tone. It shows no one is above the rules.

  64. Samir

    I don’t like the way Arsenal are dealing with the Guendouzi situation. He’s only a kid and things like this should be dealt with internally. Leaking things as they’re doing will only de-value him and turn him against Arsenal more.
    Bad for both parties.

  65. Pedro

    There hasn’t been a smear campaign against him.

    He has been dropped. Same as plenty of others that have found there way back.

    I swear man, same people vilifying Wenger for his soft approach are now like embarrassing mothers with their disobedient boys.

  66. The Godfather

    It’s funny how some jokers compare Guendo to Willock ….

    Switch the roles and let’s say Willock was the one with issues with Arteta and I bet ya that it won’t be the likes of PSG and Barca linked you him but rather the A list elite clubs like

    Blackburn
    Stoke
    Charlton Athletic …

    Sorry Joe didn’t mean to rate you like that 😂

  67. Pedro

    Godfather, if Joe Willock was behaving the same way, he’d get the same treatment.

    What you can get away with at Arsenal isn’t based on who you are linked with.

  68. DivineSherlock

    Why the fcuk are people Pro-Guendouzi ? He is not the second coming of Xavi is he . He is a spoiled brat . Also if he has suitors like Barcelona than good for him , maybe he’ll learn . You know who else went there Alex Hleb , he ended his career at Brimingham City. Talent doesnt matter jack shit its your attitude and right now his attitude isnt right and Arteta has done exactly what is right for the club.

  69. Words on a Blog

    The Godfather,

    Gnabry wasn’t just linked with Stoke, he went to Stoke, under Lord Pulis no less.

    Now look at him.

    Willock is developing nicely, even if he isn’t quite (yet?) football’s second coming.

  70. GunnerDNA

    Why was Edu even involved in any meeting with this kid after that Brighton incident? Why was Mikel not capable of dealing with that minor issue by himself? Did Mikel inexperience cause him to overreact causing other members of staff to get involved? The incompetence that’s on display by this lot is staggering. These jokers don’t know that fans are seeing the incompetence on display. Raul turning up at Saka signing a contract extension is the biggest one to date. Didn’t trust them from the moment they asked Emery to don’t play Ozil and failed to support him after the fans turned on him. Next season is going to be interesting!

  71. The Backpass

    Except now he has been training alone, shopped around in swap deals.

    Has he behaved badly? According to the media. YES

    But, it should have been done internally, so that when you want to sell him, you sell big.

    We are not goingto get close to £25 million for him now, but if we’ve handled this better we could have gotten at least £35 million for a young French international.

  72. Words on a Blog

    Based on absolutely no inside knowledge whatsoever my feeling is that a club has come in and expressed strong interest in Guendouzi at a reasonably attractive price. Arsenal is willing to sell as Arteta is looking for a midfield upgrade, and Guendouzi wants to go as he isn’t getting the superstar treatment he got under Emery.

    The disciplinary/character “issues” are just a figleaf to enable a smooth transfer.

  73. Pedro

    GunnerDNA, Edu is the technical director, he is Arteta’s boss. He oversees the whole football operation. That’s why he’s there.

    Raul is basically the CEO, that’s why he was at the signing of Saka. It is standard that a man in his position be at a major Arsenal event.

  74. Pedro

    The Backpass, Arteta has dealt with it internally.

    A football club has about 100 people at a training ground at any given time.

    There is no way to keep the details of a player secret from the media.

    If no one knew what was going on with Matteo, people would be making an even bigger deal out of this.

  75. Thorough

    I think what many fail to appreciate is this Guen issue is a real stinker and will leave a sore taste eventually whether Arteta wins or not. Even on this blog people are split on the issue. It shows there’s a case for his stance anyway you look at it.

    And nobody hates Arteta. If there are people like that they would have been raising a dust about Ozil’s treatment.

  76. The Backpass

    To think Guendozi os the only football in top flight football in the Top 6 leagues with this so called “bad attitude” is very funny.

    The only thing is that most of them keep whatever is going on internally and when opportunity arises, sell them without drama.

  77. Olumide

    The Backpass
    We’ve got basically the club’s mouthpiece…Ornstein saying He has to apologize before he gets back into the squad, Arteta saying nothing has changed (meaning he hasn’t apologized) as reported by Ornstein, gunnerblog e.t.c.Similar to the Koscienly news..hardly would you get direct quotes, but they pass the messages onto trusted journalist.
    ——
    What Ornstein and Arteta said about the issue amounts to public bashing?

  78. Champagne Charlie

    GunnerDNA

    Why wouldn’t a senior figure be present when communicating to a player that he’s treading a fine line? It reinforces the sentiment that his behaviour isn’t in keeping with the whole clubs standards, not just Arteta’s.

    It’s not the first misdemeanour, it’s a handful (that we know of). If Guendouzi thought it was a case of Arteta simply being a bit harsh on him then the presence of senior management should’ve alerted him to the seriousness of his malcontent.

    His reaction? To leave both his manager, and a senior exec with a lower opinion of him than before the meeting. That isn’t immaturity, it’s sheer stupidity/rancid character. Some life lessons are jarring, this will be one.

  79. Tee

    Arteta has handled the situation as he deemed fit and those in the know ain’t criticising him for not cuddling a troublesome kid footballer.

    It’s kinda weird that a lot of posters here acting like we are dealing with febregas. One even said guendiuzi’s former coach’s comment in his behaviour is the same with that of Tony pulis on gynabry forgetting that no one in the club is complaining about guendiuzi’s football but attitude.

    To even compare gynabry’s case to guen’s makes me wanna throw up.

    Like Olumide posted, guen’s goons can’t come up with any direct quote from Arteta to back up their “public bashing” mantra but want to shove it up our throat as the truth.

    All you read us “leaks”. Who is leaking what? Then the goalpost changes.

    Like I earlier posted, guen changes, he plays otherwise, he remains ostracized. He isn’t worth the stress.

    No player is bigger than the club.

  80. Champagne Charlie

    “A football club has about 100 people at a training ground at any given time.There is no way to keep the details of a player secret from the media.“

    Are you sure? Because reading some of the stuff on here it seems Arsenal own several news outlets and are spinning webs.

  81. Batistuta

    “Pro Mateo crowd”…

    This place and always wanting to place name tags on folks who don’t agree with their opinion. Almost Juvenile like

  82. Pedro

    CC, people get themeselves in knots.

    Wenger was soft
    Arteta is mean
    Matteo is just a lot soul
    The football CEO shouldn’t be at the Saka signing, this is incompetence

    No elite club in the world allows bad behaviour to go unchecked.

    Also interesting no one mentions that Arteta has already forgiven a huge bust-up in Dubai. He brought AMN back in from the cold for lateness. He has brought Pepe in and out.

  83. Frost

    What’s the difference between Willock & Elneny? I’m genuinely curious.

    Literally the only thing the boy has in abundance is his energy. He’s not a great tackler, passer of the ball, doesn’t really have great vision & yet he’s rated by some over Guen?

    The only 3young talents we have in this squad are Guen, Saka, & Martinelli. (Tierney & Pepe if you regard them as young talents). I’d be shocked if the rest become starters for us. Shocked.

    Squad players, maybe, but you can buy those anytime. Reason I’ll never understand why an Nketiah would be getting starts over Pepe, just makes no sense!.

  84. The Backpass

    Pedro

    “There is no way to keep the details of a player secret from the media.If no one knew what was going on with Matteo, people would be making an even bigger deal out of this.”

    Actually, there is, Fine him or something and let him train with the squad, end of season then sell.

    Wenger did this with Szczesny.

    Arthur at Barca was said to have Gonorrea but the club kept saying he had Groin injury, till it was forgotten.

    We aren’t the only club with a player with attitude problems, we are just the only one foolish to let everybody know.

  85. Pedro

    Bati, when you are having a debate about the topic of Matteo, it’s fair to address the group that are banging the drum for the player as pro. Hardly an inaccurate summary of a collective view.

  86. Pedro

    Backpass, last time I checked, catching an STI is not an attitude issue.

    Interesting that your main concern is that Matteo can train with everyone. Very kind of you to care about his wellbeing.

  87. Frost

    “This place and always wanting to place name tags on folks who don’t agree with their opinion. Almost Juvenile like”

    Childish behaviour tbh. I’d be pissed if the boy left because we have a green manager who’s learning how to handle characters. Pissed.

  88. The Backpass

    ““Pro Mateo crowd”… This place and always wanting to place name tags on folks who don’t agree with their opinion. Almost Juvenile like”

    It’s sad really, if you have an opposing view you are viewed as Pro( whatever the discussion).

  89. azed

    “What’s the difference between Willock & Elneny? I’m genuinely curious.”

    Is it joke Friday already?

    Willock is like 20….give the man some time.

    Oh and he’s done very well in hist first full season in the first team.

  90. Pedro

    Frost, I think he has bigger characters in the squad to worry about than a 20-year old that has done nothing in the game.

    Matteo was a problem under Emery, Freddie and his coaches in France. Reckon there’s a pattern there.

  91. Freddie Ljungberg

    Pedro

    “A football club has about 100 people at a training ground at any given time.There is no way to keep the details of a player secret from the media.“

    That is quite the 180 from when Emery was blamed for all the leaks happening under his regime. Of course that was ridiculous, just as it would be to blame Arteta for them now.

  92. Sid

    Sid
    Is it? Seems to work quite well for city, Barcelona and any Italian side you care to mention.

    Barca being barca are protected by the refs, man city have the talent to pull it off,
    Meanwhile at arsenal its red cards, send offs, bloody faces and maupeyed
    Its not working to our advantage

  93. The Backpass

    “Backpass, last time I checked, catching an STI is not an attitude issue.Interesting that your main concern is that Matteo can train with everyone. Very kind of you to care about his wellbeing.”

    Am saying club can and do cover up things if they don’t want it public. And I dont know why you are being sarcastic, anyway its your blog.

  94. Olumide

    The Backpass
    To think Guendozi os the only football in top flight football in the Top 6 leagues with this so called “bad attitude” is very funny.
    The only thing is that most of them keep whatever is going on internally and when opportunity arises, sell them without drama.
    —–
    When a player has really bad attitude, you can’t keep it away from the media. Whether the club wants it to get out or not.
    Guendouzi is a player with a reputation of bad attitude before he came to Arsenal. This is not something new.
    Allowing Guendouzi to do whatever he wants will set a bad precedent.

  95. Pedro

    fucking hell, people that are going all out in defence of Matteo getting upset at being call pro-Matteo.

  96. Jamie

    Leaks under Emery = no bueno, mucho weak.

    Leaks under Arteta = impossible to control the narrative when 100 folk work for AFC.

    Emery was a dud, but damn did he get a rough ride here for being such a footnote.

  97. Olumide

    Frost
    Literally the only thing the boy has in abundance is his energy. He’s not a great tackler, passer of the ball, doesn’t really have great vision & yet he’s rated by some over Guen?
    ——
    I’m not saying Willock is better than Guendozi, but for the record, what does Guendouzi do well?

  98. The Backpass

    “A football club has about 100 people at a training ground at any given time.”

    No shit, maybe that is why you let him train with the squad, so the 100 people at the training ground would see he is training and when not being used, will be thought as the managers discretion.

    Case in point Ozil.

  99. TR7

    How would other players be looking at the Guendouzi saga ? Would they not be wary and distrusting of Arteta given how Guen’s image is being tarnished in the media bit by bit and day by day ? I like both Arteta and Guendouzi, so I have no prejudice against any of the two warring factions but to my mind Arteta has mishandled the matter of Guen. For a 20 plus old player it is easy to apologize to someone who is a veteran and much elder say Fergie, Wenger, Ancellotti etc. but making him apologize to someone like Arteta who is himself a newbie is not easy and especially for misbehaving with an opponent. Thin line between being commanding and flexing your muscle/throwing your weight around.

  100. Pedro

    Backpass, if a player is disruptive to your training session, maybe you do what’s best for the greater good of the squad? That’s leadership.

  101. China1

    I don’t mind Guen being dropped, told off or even sold, but this whole way it’s being shared with the press feels like amateur hour

    He’s not mbappe. We don’t need to be trying so hard to make a point to the outside world when dealing with him internally and just dropping/selling him would suffice. Why make it so dramatic? There was less drama when xhaka told the fans to fuck off LOL

    Literally stop and think about that

  102. Jamie

    The easy way out of this is to agree that leaks about players misbehaving look bad in general.

    To his credit, Wenger was pretty good at keeping a lid on things and dealing with issues in-house.

  103. Champagne Charlie

    Pedro

    It’s maddening to read. The 180 being done from numerous is honestly perplexing. Years we’ve said Arsenal is a crèche and the players are mailing it in, everything nice, no high standards

    Now a guy comes in, raises the bar, and holds players accountable to the Nth degree and we’re seeing the victims of that enforcement lamented for. Bizarre.

    Also very worrying that some believe a players talent should somehow supersede the fundamental rules that are expected to be a footballer at Arsenal. How does that one work exactly? You have to do behave according to X…..unless you’re really good and you can be a mug? Odd concept.

  104. The Backpass

    “Backpass, you know that Arthur had an STI. How has that been well covered up?”

    Maybe because the news broke from Brazil but Barcelona took it has a nothing rumor, and fed the info to all their journalist that it was a rumor and said it was just a Groin injury thereby killing the narattive he had STI.

  105. Pedro

    CC, it’s as weird as ‘the press has been handled badly.’

    Can you imagine this board if no one knew why MG wasn’t in the squad?

    I’ll go at our leadership for many things, but the way they are handling this is bang on.

    Stick to your guns. Improve the culture. Cut out the poison.

  106. The Backpass

    “The easy way out of this is to agree that leaks about players misbehaving look bad in general”

    Exactly.

  107. Emiratesstroller

    Pedro

    If a player is “toxic” or no longer “pulling his weight” in team then it is time for
    the club to cut its losses and let the player(s) go.

    That is I suspect the point reached with both Guendouzi and Ozil. Both players
    for different reasons are failing to meet expectations of the club.

    Guendouzi is a young guy who continues to misbehave and shows a lack of respect both to management and his teammates. Having someone like that
    in a club is going to be problematic. My guess also is that one reason that the
    club are now willing to let him go is that he has made it abundantly clear that
    he wants to leave the club.

    Ozil is a longterm problem since he was awarded the pay rise. He is no longer
    capable of performing to the level of expectation and to justify the wages paid
    to him. Sometimes the only way to resolve the problem is to be harsh to be kind.

    The first is that Ozil and his agent recognise that he is now unwanted and uses
    the next two months to find a club, where he can play football next season and
    then come up with a financial proposal to solve current impasse.

    The second is that he takes gardening leave next season. The question then is
    will any club sign a player aged 33 who has not played football for 12 months?

  108. The Backpass

    Olumide

    “When a player has really bad attitude, you can’t keep it away from the media. Whether the club wants it to get out or not.
    Guendouzi is a player with a reputation of bad attitude before he came to Arsenal. This is not something new.
    Allowing Guendouzi to do whatever he wants will set a bad precedent”

    Is Arsenal the only team with a player with bad attitude?

  109. Pedro

    Backpass, Arsenal players get regular STI checks, and you have never, ever heard a leak like that. That is almost a legal issue of a leak.

    The point being, if Barca can’t keep medical records safe on your say so, how are you so sure we’re being incompetent with Matteo?

  110. Olumide

    TR7
    For a 20 plus old player it is easy to apologize to someone who is a veteran and much elder say Fergie, Wenger, Ancellotti etc. but making him apologize to someone like Arteta who is himself a newbie is not easy and especially for misbehaving with an opponent.
    —-
    If Guendouzi isn’t stupid, he’d know that he should apologize to his boss considering he did something wrong. Please mention 3 superstar footballers today who behaved like Guendouzi at 20.

    People say other teams are looking to buy Guendouzi. Do you think their managers won’t look at his arrogant behaviour to Arteta?

  111. Pedro

    Backpass, no. Spurs have a player with an attitude problem, their most expensive signing ever.

    Please go tell me how Poch and Jose dealt with it.

  112. Olumide

    The Backpass
    Is Arsenal the only team with a player with bad attitude?
    —-
    Is Guendouzi the only footballer you know with a bad attitude?

  113. GunnerDNA

    Pedro,

    “Frost, I think he has bigger characters in the squad to worry about than a 20-year old that has done nothing in the game”

    With the exception of KT and to some degree GM who are the other bigger characters you’re referring to. Drop some name other than making stuff up

  114. The Backpass

    “I don’t mind Guen being dropped, told off or even sold, but this whole way it’s being shared with the press feels like amateur hour”

    Pretty much, heck all my post regarding Guendozi has always been he should be a backup or sold with torreira to get a competent midfield.

    Same thing happened with Koscienly, The management wants the fans to turn on said players making it easier to leave.

    Just sell him and be done with it.

  115. Champagne Charlie

    “For a 20 plus old player it is easy to apologize to someone who is a veteran and much elder say Fergie, Wenger, Ancellotti etc. but making him apologize to someone like Arteta who is himself a newbie is not easy“

    This is a horrible take.

    If you can’t recognise the authority is in the role and not in the age or time spent of a man doing it then that’s YOUR issue. Doubly so when you sit down with that Manager AND executive of the club and fail to appreciate the tone.

    He never played with Arteta, there’s no awkwardness or blurred lines there that could be forwarded as a thin argument. He’s the manager, end of.

    Even those whom Arteta played with, Bellerin and co., they’ve had no issues with respecting his authority in the role he now occupies. Age or being a green manager is not a defence, at all.

  116. TR7

    Pedro

    MG a ‘poison’ now ? Not more than a few weeks ago, you were singing praises of Guen. When Wenger was here, you used to say we were too nice and how we needed a few nasty players in the mold of Douglas Costa.

  117. Ishola70

    azed

    “Oh and he’s done very well in hist first full season in the first team.”

    This isn’t true at all.

    Moderate to questionable really.

    Too many games he has been invisible and a few too many games he has been hauled off.

  118. Champagne Charlie

    “Can you imagine this board if no one knew why MG wasn’t in the squad?“

    That’s exactly what I’ve said on the matter, handling it internally is wonderfully naive. The fact he’s not in the match day squad for a month would lead to speculative chaos if not addressed to some end.

    The club have been very clear officially, if you want on the boat they’re very, very welcoming. But we have non-negotiables everyone is expected to uphold.

    If someone has a problem with that framework I’m very sorry but you’re lost, that’s how it should be. It’s what we’ve needed for donkeys. Outline the standard, hold everyone to it, leave anyone who can’t cope behind irrespective of talent or ability. Grow.

  119. China1

    I think the reason why all this leaks look so dumb is that very few people even care that much about Guen.

    How many here will be shedding a tear if he stays or goes? Some think he’s better than others. Not sure anyone thinks he’s a beast.

    By having this whole public drama thing it makes the club look like they’re struggling with dealing with a player who is in fact basically a footballing irrelevance.

    He’s not a super star. No one cares if we drop or sell him. Just punish him and move on already, it’s embarrassing

  120. The Backpass

    Because it was after a qualifier in brazil late November last year and the Brazilian press claimed he had it in Brazil, which was refuted by barca and after a week the rumour stopped.

    Im not turning this into a Arthur and STI argument.

  121. China1

    ‘I’m not turning this into an Arthur and STI argument’ is a sentence I never expected to read on this blog.

    Thanks for making me laugh

  122. Guns of SF

    For all we know guen might have asked for a transfer

    Said he doesn’t want to be here

    So there

  123. TR7

    ‘If you can’t recognise the authority is in the role and not in the age or time spent of a man doing it then that’s YOUR issue. Doubly so when you sit down with that Manager AND executive of the club and fail to appreciate the tone.’

    Charlie, not remotely true. If it were true then no football manager would lose the dressing room. No president of a political party would ever face dissidence/revolt from his party members. Respect does not merely come from the position one holds, respect is earned over a period of time by success/leadership/courage etc.

  124. The Backpass

    “Backpass, no. Spurs have a player with an attitude problem, their most expensive signing ever. Please go tell me how Poch and Jose dealt with it.”

    He is training with the squad same with Ozil training with the squad, not training alone because he has attitude problems.

  125. Jamie

    It’s also strange why so many are up in arms about Guendouzi’s treatment.

    He’s essentially been mince for 18 months at has attitude problems. Sell him after 2 years for a profit and move on.

  126. Champagne Charlie

    TR7

    Absolutely not, respect is lost over time. But there’s very much an issue with someone who can’t respect a person in a role from the off in whatever sector you offer.

    Football managers losing a dressing room is a different kettle of fish to one player failing to respect authority too. That occurs over time, and with numerous influences as to why. Is that the case here? Clearly not.

    Guendouzi is 20 years old and you think the issue is it’s “difficult” to apologise to his football manager because it’s his first managerial role?

    That’s a wild assessment.

  127. Batistuta

    Frost, Back pass

    I’m not even keen on the young lad, wouldn’t bat an eye if he was sold today and i think that’s the point most folks are making but surely the club which includes the manager should have handled this better, the leaks and even Pedro calling him “Poison” is quite over the top. He’s young and we’ve known he has a history with his character but surely there’s a better way to deal with this than the constant “leaks”.

    Diego Costa and Conte barely got along but no one knew till the tail end and the whole text message fiasco. It’s okay to admit the club/ manager isn’t handling the issue very well, doesn’t stop anyone from being the ultimate Arteta supporter which is what you see here with anyone seen not being supportive of ow this has been handled instantly branded as some sort of butt hurt fan or something childish along those lines

  128. The Godfather

    W.O.B:

    “ The Godfather,Gnabry wasn’t just linked with Stoke, he went to Stoke, under Lord Pulis no less.Now look at him.Willock is developing nicely, even if he isn’t quite (yet?) football’s second coming.”

    Hey now, if you’re gonna come out steaming at least try and get your arrows in order homie.

    Gnabry didn’t play at Stoke … Just an FYI!

  129. GunnerDNA

    “Respect does not merely come from the position one holds, respect is earned over a period of time by success/leadership/courage etc.”

    Facts!

  130. The Godfather

    Pedro:

    “ Godfather, if Joe Willock was behaving the same way, he’d get the same treatment.What you can get away with at Arsenal isn’t based on who you are linked with.”

    Again Pedro you’re missing the point and shooting first and aiming later.

    The point was about someone comparing the talents of the two and that’s why I said that there levels are incomparable …. Willock at this moment nowhere near Guendo in technical development and that’s why no top team would take a second glance …. if Willock was French he wouldn’t get an invite anywhere near the national team !!