Arsenal failing to take their chances and losing a lead late in the game? That feels a little more Arsenal. That feels like a weird kind of progress.
Last night’s game against Brendan Rodgers excellent Leicester team marked a step forward in attacking football under Arteta. We dominated the first half, utterly. We were given far more space than we were against Wolves and we fully exploited it bar the finish. This wasn’t purposeless possession.
Auba opened the scoring after Saka killed a career with a one-two shuffle and a pinpoint cross.
Leicester had a goal disallowed after Kola was down in an attacking scrum with Iheanacho. A good call in my opinion.
Our second half wasn’t that pretty, Leicester came to play and we didn’t react particularly well.
The msot contentious issue was our sending off. Eddie was subbed on and made a very clumsy challenge and to my mind, was rightly sent home for an early shower. What didn’t quite compute was Jamie Vardy kicked Mustafi in the head in what looked like a professional ‘accident’, and he didn’t even land a card. One was sly, one was dim.
Our confidence and game collapsed around that decision, then Jamie V broke our line and sneaked a goal at the back post. It looked offside on the VAR, it took the customary 8 minutes to decide, and it stood.
We was robbed.
We fluffed our lines in the first half, witnessed a worldy from Kaspar, and conceded late on.
Very Arsenal.
The point was a disappointment. I’ll take it regardless. After the Wolves game, the ghouls were writing us off against a ‘proper’ team, and really, we should have taken the game. That first half, under normal circumstances, would have seen us 3 goals up.
I’d bitch about the reffing, but you have to cost it in. Leicester made 14 fouls and didn’t get a booking, we had a booking and sending off on 10.
The night wasn’t to be.
Champions League football is no longer a prize.
Though a scalp in the NLD certainly is.
You can say whatever you want about the red card (Arteta’s 4th), you can pretend Matteo was making a difference, you can bitch that taking Auba off was a bad move… the reality is we are now competing with good teams.
The football was almost sexy in the first half. The defending for the most part was solid. We do not look like uncoachables these days.
There is still a lot of work to do, but coming away from a game against a top 3 game feeling robbed is part of the journey.
I don’t want to feel like that on Sunday. Mikel’s first NLD in the dugout will hopefully be special. Let’s see what we have there.
I will take a better kind of disappointment.
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We had a fair chance of finishing 4th if we won our Brighton and Leicester games
Shame that combination of individual mistakes and Arteta’s inexperience of in game management and subs cost us valuable points
Arteta will win the FA, he is is perfecting the tactics Mourinho used at Inter to win the CL
You heard it here 1st!
Are people still on this Cazorla stuff. I keep saying Joaquin at 38 has been one of Real betis best player this season along with Fekir.. Rumours are that Santi is going to Qatar to play for Xavi at Al-sadd anyway.
Is there a prize money for winning FA and how much is it?
http://www.thefa.com/competitions/thefacup/more/prize-fund
Guns,
£3.5m and Europa League qualification if needed.
Thanks for the info
EL qualification is part of it?
Based on the media stories, it appears that Guen might have found a suitor… Hence why he is not getting any time right now to protect their asset. Ozil too? I can only hope GUEN’S OFF Matteo Guendouzi’s representatives are reportedly in “advanced talks” with Barcelona with the Arsenal star set to make a decision on his future next month. The midfielder is training away from the first-team after a falling out with boss Mikel Arteta last month. Fiery Guendouzi was involved in a scuffle with Neal Maupay following the Gunners’ 2-1 defeat to Brighton on June 20. He has… Read more »
Five point thrown away to Leicester and Brighton from winning positions.
If we had held our nerve we would now be on 55 points pending United’s game.
So annoying !!
I look at the table and feel like throwing up
Was there for the taking
Inter Milan and Atletico Madrid also reported interested in him.
I don’t think it’s astonishing big clubs in europe would be interested in him.
For the faults he has he also has shown good potential along with it and people are forgetting his young age because he was played pretty regularly in the first team.
These clubs will see him as a nurturing prospect signing along with plenty of experience of first team football at a high level for his young age and they will be even more interested if they can get him at a decent price.
Don
I’m not convinced we have superior prospects in central midfield though.
But if he wants to leave so be it.
Un I agree
Never rated the kid
A proper cam in the team would do wonders too
Guendouzi should never have been thrown in the deep end so many times and so early at his young age on first arriving.
But such was the paucity of the Arsenal central midfield he was playing lots of games.
He isn’t a Fabregas level of talent so him playing so many first team games at a young age tells you all about the Arsenal central midfield.
If he was nurtured more properly brought through more slowly though he could have proved to be a very useful player for the team down the line.
Ish, I think Simeone or Conte would be good for his career.
Un, I would not use the names of those two coaches as proof of Guendouzi poor attutude. If you cast out players who fell out with Bernard Casoni and Mickael Landreau due to their incompetence, you would have pretty much all their former players. Casoni pushed Guendouzi aside and was sacked pretty much after abysmal results and an even worse style of play. Casoni is the French Tony Pulis. Landreau like Gary Neville has a good talk on TV, but the reality did not agree with the talk. In fact he was so incompetent and condescending with the players, it… Read more »
Valentin, you could maybe get away with the sort of chat if he didn’t have problems with Emery, Freddie and now Mikel.
Matteo is an issue. It’s a fact.
If Arteta doesn’t like/rate Guendouzi, and Guendouzi wants to leave, so be it.
The question of character is moot. After all, we lived with Lord Bendtner for years, and he was hardly a Very Humble Genius.
Players come and players go. Guendouzi is a good player but not a “top, top” player. Let him go, and take the cash (provided there’s lots of it.)
Nah I hear it’s “personal” with Arteta.
At least that’s what Receding says about it, no issues Guendouzi’s end, this is an Arteta thing.
Its imperative we give ESR a run in next season, playing the backup CAM role.
It’s not like we would be challenging for championship league next season, but we do have some very very good young players in saka, martinelli, Tierney , ESR, Nketiah and pepe coming through, and could explode in a couple of seasons if managed right.
On the CAM role, is David Silva retiring completely or just not renewing his manc contract?
The guys still has it in bucket loads would walk into our team half drunk.
How do you find Matt Smith? He can be developed to become a good midfielder.
The Papers have it that Guen is being punished ‘for holding Maupay’ s neck’. The same Maupay that injured our goalkeeper and then lambasted the whole Arsenal team in an interview afterwards? And I actually watched a clip that showed Guen going towards the tunnel then sharply turning around because someone said something nasty behind him. The clip seized after so I couldn’t establish if that was the moment that caused the grabbing. But if it is then we need to have a proper look at ourselves as a club? What’s he actually supposed to apologize for, having a reaction… Read more »
Coutinho will probably be available in the market. Kia is his agent. It’s a signing that suits us perfectly.
We simply have to make this happen.
Coutinho+Partey should be enough to get top 4 next season if our players stay fit and away from red cards.
75 points should get top 4.
Apparently Guen and Sok got into it in Middle East and into the hotel afterwards… Loud shouting with Arteta when he took Sokratis side…
This fella is a head case. I am sure he has family/ parents he would love to support with his salary and he cannot seem to lose his pride… what a dick.
https://www.getfootballnewsfrance.com/2020/france-football-provide-details-on-matteo-guendouzis-situation-at-arsenal/
RockyRoe David Silva would stroll into our midfield. Agree with Pierre’s previous comment regarding Jorginho and Thiago. Both quality little players both similar to a Xabi Alonso, a Xavi or a Pirlo. Although hard to find, they’re the sort of players we need in the middle. I don’t think age matters much in the position. Silva is still pulling the strings at 34. Moutinho is also doing similar things with Wolves at 33. Both top class passers of the ball playing in the best league in the world. Modric is also running the show at Madrid, and I reckon Cazorla… Read more »
I like Coutinho… would be a good CAM.. prem experience too.
Who knows… we like agents nowdays.
Its his wages that would be a hinderance….
Should have won but it is what it is. We move on. But I don’t want no fucking excuses on Sunday. We are the better team and we need to batter the fuck out of those cunts at their ground.
Guns of SF
Coutinho is class. Him in the Ceballos role would be perfect. We’ll have a lot of outgoings in the summer I reckon, so that’ll free up some wages.
If having a row with Sokratis and grabbing the neck of that c**t Maupay are reasons why a GUENDO is being bullied then Arteta is a total Idiot. You’ve gotta be kidding me! If this is true then GUENDO should give Arsenal the middle finger and get outta the Emirates ASAP. How can Chaka, who has been liability since he stepped into the Emirates, cursed out the fans and openly talked of leaving to a second rate Bundesliga side (because every team of worth knew better than to go anyway near him) ….. yet is still held in high esteem… Read more »
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Pedro
“ Ish, I think Simeone or Conte would be good for his career.”
Of course a proper experienced manager who’s comfortable managing difficult players, not a neophyte who’s expecting perfection from a 20 y/o.
Godfather
Apparently Guedouzi told the neophyte technical director and newbie rookie manager that he wasn’t going to kowtow to them.
Worse things have been said in football.
Which of our young players will get the attention of big European clubs.
Hope it goes well for the lad. Get the £25-40 million for him and let’s move on.
Players have bust-ups all the time and fisticuffs aren’t uncommon in training grounds.
Who cares whether Guen had a fight with PapSok.
The club is just leaking all sorts of shite about Guen.
i dont think Arteta wants a young headcase in the midst of a rebuild and relearn situation.
Plus he is sellable – so some $$ can come in… Our mids sucks bar Dani and Joe W
BTW anyone know what Edu is really doing at the club?
is he our south american scout? Or just Brazil?
Seems odd what he does… aside chum with his agent for new players….
I liked him as a player but i am confused as to what he is bringing us
This Coutinho idea might not be bad the more I think about it….
I hope we can get him cheap, if so we should do it.
Fella should have a chip on his shoulder and would fit into arteta ball pretty easily I feel
Exactly, players have bust ups all the time.
Simeone and Conte ooze prescence,
I will add no player would have the guts to face off with Viera, Klopp
Theres a culture at the club of meek lambs singing kumbaya, thats why players from other teams can bully us, refs dont feel the pressure making decisions against us.
Arsenal fans have been Arsenalized
“Red, you and about 6 others appear to be the only people raising eyebrows.”
Lets all hug and sing kumbaya, same script, different cast at Untold. To clean to bindip, well cultured not a chav
Im telling you for free!
This space is fucking comedic with former Emeryites using anything possible as ammunition. Arsenal lost in the battle.
Let’s see how many major clubs are actually interested in Guendouzi.
All we have heard so far are rumours that the player wanted to leave and Arsenal are not too bothered if he does.
The fact is that whilst he has a decent engine I have seen absolutely nothing
special in his game either defensively or offensively. He is no better than a
bench player at best on evidence of what I have seen in last 2 seasons.
If we get a transfer fee of £30 million for this disruptive player I would jump.
Arsenal are leaking stuff I feel to up his price.. and buyers.
I mean 36M??? Inter? Barca?
Hmmm seems a bit fishy to me, but hey, ill take that amount in a heartbeat.
Dissenter,
The whole thing stinks.
It’s so Arsenal, unfortunately
I’m as critical of wenger as anyone but there’s no way wenger was bad for cesc apart from him selling some of his best team mates Cesc was the kind of kid that didn’t need hands on coaching. Like Henry, DB10, Sanchez, Pires etc – some players just naturally thrive and don’t need to be micromanaged like most. And in fact cesc’s reputation could’ve been even better if he stayed at arsenal – if wenger had been willing to supplement him with a couple more top additions to get us over the line in major trophies Going to Barca to… Read more »
Cesc did this thing in Barca and I feel badly that he was never embraced like some of the others… he did score a lot more over there. When with us he had this knack of always shooting right at the goalie.
An old Cesc right now would help us for sure. What a great player he was … never worried when he was in the side. You know we always had a chance with him playing.
I don’t know about this behind the scenes stuff with Guen and Arteta or whatever, but him shitting on that hunchback was excellent form imo I’m not convinced Guen will make the cut at this level and I’m not sure he’s the answer to our midfield problems so if someone offers solid money I’d take it anyway, but this whole ‘classenal’ nice little boys attitude is toxic to our chances of success. Our most successful teams were full of characters who fought back (and in some cases started it). All the best teams are like that. Man imagine Martin known… Read more »
Seriously can you imagine Martin keown or vieira in this arsenal squad?
They’d be training with the reserves for being too outspoken
Keown especially used to try and rough up DB10 in training because he said ‘get used to it, it will happen in the matches’ 😂😂😂😂
Arteta was a nice little boy – just like Wenger liked.
Wenger liked them choirboys…. the Invincibles handled themselves for the most part.
He wanted his Barca lite choir boys…
He got them…. and we have become soft since…
Now with Guen, I also like the fight but if he is that much of a headcase, then get out… his play is really not that great as well…
ESR against Reading.
Man is balling.
https://mobile.twitter.com/BnsComps/status/1280967272547471372
KDB 2.0 Loading….
Reports claiming we’ve put a contract offer out to malang sarr, who is a French U20 international defender who plays for Nice but his contract just expired Anyone seen him? You’d imagine being in the French youth team hed likely be very promising and he has over 100 senior appearances already so he’s not as green as you’d expect Presumably couldn’t command high wages either as a relative unknown. If the kid is good this is exactly the kind of smart recruitment we need. Good players from the bargain basement with big potential and resale value, ok wages and allows… Read more »
Free agent. No fee for Sarr…. young / French/ Defender
Not so sure about youtube highlights for a defender but here he is
https://www.youtube.com/watch?reload=9&v=3Mb-dmcc3ys
Left footed so he can take over Kola in the back 3…
Kola looks off….
Saliba/ Luiz/ Sarr?
No-one is complaining about a player being aggressive on the pitch or the occasional spat with opposition.
In the case of Guendouzi we are discussing ongoing behavioural issues, discipline and his relationship with other members of squad and staff.
If he is seen as a disruptive personality and the club and player cannot find a
solution then it is better to let him go.
ET you say that but he did get criticized for his spat with the hunch back
What happens elsewhere is another story and I don’t know what the truth is on that front, but what he did with Maupay I support 100%
Guns yeah sarr would be a low risk high reward gamble
He was also made captain for one league game this season which says he’s held in very high esteem.
What’s the worst that can happen? We sell him in a couple of years and make an easy profit. I’d be all in
—————Martinez
——-saliba—Luiz—-sarr
Cedric-Torreira-Partey-Tierney
—Pepe———auba———-saka
I actually don’t like this formation, but if we were to use it it would be a pretty good starting 11 and it would only require a proper outlay for one player (Partey)
Why are Arsenal interested in Partey, is it because he bullied our powder puff midfield.
China
Partey is shit
I say this every single day but we really need to simplify the auba saka Pepe thing and just put all 3 in their best positions
We’re trying too hard to make it work with players out of positions etc and we’re not better for it. Give that front 3 5 consecutive games in their best positions and you’ll see our attack look clearly better imo
Well consider me educated Red, thanks for your insight
China 1
This was not the first reported incident. There was an earlier problem in the
Training Club in Gulf and also other alleged incidents in London.
Also when the situation was discussed with the player it is how he has responded allegedly.
I think the situation goes far beyond just being childish or immature. Every
club including Arsenal will tolerate a degree of stupidity and misbehaviour,
but not if it becomes a disruptive influence which appears to be the case here.
Auba in the left throws things off
We need to figure out the left wing
Should be Saka
We need a proper cam. Not saka
Not saka also.
Well ET I won’t defend that extra stuff if that’s true, I just haven’t been following closely on those points Regardless I think he’s a good prospect but not currently a special looking player. He has some great games occasionally and he could become really good, but he’s not consistently there yet so no love lost from my side if we profit off him and reinvest But all these negative leaks about him are really dumb imo. It’s not like he’s super popular with the squad and the fans are on artetas back to keep and play him. No one… Read more »
We get a cam and it’s back to 4231
It will work
Club should start shopping him now…
20m is great
Can help us with partey
Coutinho and solozbai as cam
I can never spell that name right
Martinez
Cedric luiz Saliba tierney
Partey Ceballos
Pepe coutinho/ szolobai. Saka
Auba
4231
Fire 🔥
Santi with another brace.
Now up to 24 g/a for the season.
Those are world class numbers.
Man is 35 and balling like peak De Bruyne.
Hate how the media/pundits/everyone overlooks how good Cazorla is.
He was probably the most underrated player in the Prem and that trend still hasnt stopped.
Crazy numbers wasi
Young black men were stopped and searched by police more than 20,000 times in London during the coronavirus lockdown – the equivalent more than a quarter of all black 15- to 24-year-olds in the capital.
More than 80% of the 21,950 searches between March and May resulted in no further action
🔔shame 🔔shame 🔔shame
Un I get your anger but Guendouzi isnt as bad as you describe him. Thats my opinion. The writing seems to be on the wall for him and the club just needs to act and sell him and not do this PR drama displaying him as a big villain. It will only hurt the Club’s best interests (i.e. getting the best possible transfer fee we could get for him) I also think the fan sentiment is overboard. Maybe Guendouzi felt hard done by as he thought he was only defending his teammate. Ofc his attitude (according to the press) has… Read more »
Pedro, Without any doubt Guendouzi is a prima Donna, however to use Bernard Casoni and Mickael Landreau’s words to lambast him is akin to use Tony Pulis’s judgement of Serge Gnabry to prove that he is a bad player. https://www.francefootball.fr/news/Matteo-guendouzi-arsenal-les-dessous-d-une-mise-a-l-ecart/1150956 Reading what France Football wrote about the circumstances of the dispute, Arsenal management team overreacted and it backfired on them. Now they can’t backtrack because they will look weak. This is a situation that they created. Guendouzi initiated it, but their bad man management just amplified it. Anyone who thought that having fiery Guendouzi in a meeting against this four… Read more »
Un Nai. Out of those 4 that sat down with him you want to tell us none of them have dealt with a troublesome teenager before? Do they throw them to the wolves every freaking time they misbehave, which I assume is a lot? Now compare that to Maupay, no public shaming even though he lambasted our whole team afterwards? Arteta even indirectly supported him by saying the injury was an accident even though every time I’ve watched it Maupay bagging into Leno was uncalled for. This is the way I look at it, if you have a young lad… Read more »
Casoni, guendiuzi’s former manager has this to say
“It’s his attitude, it’s not good for the team or the coach. My relationship with him wasn’t very good.”
“He took his job seriously, his training was no problem, and his character is to always want to win,”
“Sometimes when he talks it’s good. But sometimes he talks badly. He talks too much.
“His talent isn’t in question, that’s not the issue. He can be a top, top player and I think he can still succeed abroad. It’s up to him to change his attitude.”
When Eric Cantona launch a kung-fu kick at an idiot in the public, Ferguson did not come down hard on him. He took him aside, expressed his support and accompany him to grow. Cantona repaid his manager faith and treatment by maturing on and off the pitch. That’s what experienced managers do. Assess the situation and never go into a meeting without making sure that the worst outcome is not the most likely outcome. If Ferguson had come hard at Cantona, any meeting would have resulted in an angry fight and his career as a top professional player would have… Read more »
Valentin
That’s because Cantona was their best player
Arsenal fans, in their quest to unearth the next fabregas will leave no stone unturned backing a troublesome and not that good young player.
If Arteta sees guen as not good enough, then do be it.
I even read that Luis has spoken to guen but he refused to change.
If the situation remains, by the end of the season and a good offer comes in then he should be sold asap.
China1
“The official message from the club should be that he’s a great prospect but we have a lot of competition for places and no one is guaranteed a place right now. Keep it positive at least”
That would be telling fibs though and fans would see right through it.
There isn’t great competition within the squad for CM.
That’s why a kid like Guendouzi who came from French Ligue 2 level has over 100 appearances for Arsenal.
Val,
You sometimes make a mountain out of a molehill.
Cantona was a special breed that couldn’t be discarded just like that.
He was super talented unlike guen.
Tee
“I even read that Luis has spoken to guen but he refused to change”
Even David Luiz?
Well that’s Guendouzi absolutely done for isn’t it.
Even Coco The Clown couldn’t get through to him.
What’s with the demonization of Guendouzi, he’s a winner unlike Arteta’s flops…
The boy think he was right to have defended his teammate. Arteta and the board seem to think he’s wrong. That seems the bone of contention. So do you all want teenagers that apologize for anything and everything? Even if Pope talks to him but canr clearly show him why he’s wrong tgwb why should he apologize? Apologize for what exactly? Like Nketiah should apologize for getting a red even though he was only trying to press the opposition as his coach encourages? Is Arteta so soft? Has the world gone Loco?
Red
What has he won?
Anything to to stupidly get at Arteta is ok by you.
Can you name any of his former managers and coaches who haven’t praised his talent and also complained about his attitude?
Everything ain’t about Arteta.
Thorough
Bitching on here wont stop guen from been shown the way out if he doesn’t change.
Arteta is the coach and has his standard.
Not like we have been doing any worse since he was ostracized.
He should be sold whenever a good offer comes in. There are better young midfielders out there.
It’s high time we stopped holding to nothing in the name of looking for the next Viera.
It’s probably a build up of events that have got us to where we are with Guendouzi. I’m sort of 50/50 with the way it’s going. I can understand Arteta wanting to show who’s boss but I will refer back to Emery in October 2018 or thereabouts. Arsenal were on an unbeaten run, things were going exceptionally well, the players and fans were happy and then Emery decided to try and show the players who’s boss. Ramsey shook his head after being substituted…..marginalised. Ozil showed his disappointment at being substituted….marginalised Lacazette shook his head at being substituted….marginalised, though to a… Read more »
MIKEL ARTETA bizarrely claimed the Turf Moor grass was too long as Arsenal drew AGAIN. … The Arsenal chief said: “The conditions were difficult. The grass was this long. They didn’t put water on it and that is difficult to play football.
Comedy Gold lol
@Unai and Tee.
Arsenal are supposedly skint and the way we’ve demonized the boy will reduce his value further. Even if he was worth 30million before we’re definitely not getting that now. How does it benefit us if we get another 5 million like Gnabry if we could have handled it better and get close to his worth?
I can’t think of any Arsdnal.player whose value has gone up since he joined the club.
I don’t think Arteta is handling the Guendouzi saga rationally or any foresight. Endless media leaks regarding Guen is pathetic and unsavory. Althogh I am in favor of keeping Guen at Arsenal but even if Arteta wants to get rid of the player he should have done it subtly without making any noise about it.
When Son and Lioris had a public argument, Mou said it was a beautiful thing. Wenger would say that I haven’t seen it. A mature manager always plays down the situation in public first.
My point of contention is not that Guendouzi is not an arrogant prick, because he most certainly is. It is how do you deal with difficult characters. Do you come down on them like a ton of bricks, because to me it is clear go hard on that type of character and then expect to lose them at the next flash point. Or do you play the long game and give them time to grow. To you treat them in a manner to force them to mature. They are then more likely to be grateful and do the extra mile… Read more »
OiRed,have a day off ffs! As for Gwen Dozy.Apparently the Barca bandits are sniffing about & his agent is in talks.Excellent news if so.One,we get rid of an overrated troublesome brat & two and even more pleasing is we once again shaft the Barca bandits into handing over a shed load of dosh.cant seem to resist our players😅
If Guen is a 30m player now he will be over 60m in 2 years., if we sell atleast have a buy back
We can only speculate what’s going on with guendouzi.Can’t say anything concrete. I can only judge performances on the pitch. He is a decent talent,nothing breath taking. His vertical passing is very good and can drive forward with the ball. His biggest quality is that he never hides,always wants the ball despite not playing well. As of right now,he is a nothing player. His passing overall is not good enough to compensate his defensive weaknesses. He is a bit flat footed that limits his passing angles and ability to turn in tight areas. He is bypassed/overrun too easily. Doesn’t have… Read more »
Guendouzi wears his heart on his sleeve, of that there is no doubt. Compared to a Willock/ Nketiah/Nelson/ESR and others, it is refreshing to see. In fact, it would be nice if these same youngsters showed a bit more oomph and passion when they played. He was thrown into the limelight at a time when things were in turmoil at Arsenal. Suddenly he was playing in the top league in the world at one of England’s biggest and most famous clubs. The weight of expectation was huge and, for the most part, he took it in his stride. He is… Read more »
If we can sell Guendouzi for 30 mil,I would sell him.
And buy Manu Trigueros from Villarreal
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=agBV_FiPUTE
^This player. Should cost 10 mil and much much better than Xhaka,Torreira,Ceballos or Guendouzi
Steel drums in Commando.
Okaay! Okaay!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A2hgMcsXO-Y