A different kind of disappointment?

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Arsenal failing to take their chances and losing a lead late in the game? That feels a little more Arsenal. That feels like a weird kind of progress.

Last night’s game against Brendan Rodgers excellent Leicester team marked a step forward in attacking football under Arteta. We dominated the first half, utterly. We were given far more space than we were against Wolves and we fully exploited it bar the finish. This wasn’t purposeless possession.

Auba opened the scoring after Saka killed a career with a one-two shuffle and a pinpoint cross.

Leicester had a goal disallowed after Kola was down in an attacking scrum with Iheanacho. A good call in my opinion.

Our second half wasn’t that pretty, Leicester came to play and we didn’t react particularly well.

The msot contentious issue was our sending off. Eddie was subbed on and made a very clumsy challenge and to my mind, was rightly sent home for an early shower. What didn’t quite compute was Jamie Vardy kicked Mustafi in the head in what looked like a professional ‘accident’, and he didn’t even land a card. One was sly, one was dim.

Our confidence and game collapsed around that decision, then Jamie V broke our line and sneaked a goal at the back post. It looked offside on the VAR, it took the customary 8 minutes to decide, and it stood.

We was robbed.

We fluffed our lines in the first half, witnessed a worldy from Kaspar, and conceded late on.

Very Arsenal.

The point was a disappointment. I’ll take it regardless. After the Wolves game, the ghouls were writing us off against a ‘proper’ team, and really, we should have taken the game. That first half, under normal circumstances, would have seen us 3 goals up.

I’d bitch about the reffing, but you have to cost it in. Leicester made 14 fouls and didn’t get a booking, we had a booking and sending off on 10.

The night wasn’t to be.

Champions League football is no longer a prize.

Though a scalp in the NLD certainly is.

You can say whatever you want about the red card (Arteta’s 4th), you can pretend Matteo was making a difference, you can bitch that taking Auba off was a bad move… the reality is we are now competing with good teams.

The football was almost sexy in the first half. The defending for the most part was solid. We do not look like uncoachables these days.

There is still a lot of work to do, but coming away from a game against a top 3 game feeling robbed is part of the journey.

I don’t want to feel like that on Sunday. Mikel’s first NLD in the dugout will hopefully be special. Let’s see what we have there.

I will take a better kind of disappointment.

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  1. The Backpass

    I think the point here is simply the smearing campaign, deal with him internally and not let the whole world know you’ve got issues with a kid.

    How will other players react to this campaign? Or other potential players, because what we can show potential players is the Arsenal name and frankly nothing else. If players see we are using journalist to do their dirty work, it definitely becomes an issue.

    Even Messi is pissed off at Bartomeu over the smear campaign against him.

  2. Pedro

    The pro-Matteo crowd would be eaten alive if they had to manage a squad of footballers.

    Arteta doesn’t need to back down on this. He sets the rules, they must be obeyed. If Guendouzi doesn’t agree, he doesn’t play.

    ‘Have a nice chat and give up on your principles’ is absolutely atrocious leadership on any level.

    The Guen issue has been dealt with well. He’s been given chance after chance, he has consistently let his managers down, now he’ll be moved on.

    That is good leadership. It sets the tone. It shows no one is above the rules.

  3. Samir

    I don’t like the way Arsenal are dealing with the Guendouzi situation. He’s only a kid and things like this should be dealt with internally. Leaking things as they’re doing will only de-value him and turn him against Arsenal more.
    Bad for both parties.

  4. Pedro

    There hasn’t been a smear campaign against him.

    He has been dropped. Same as plenty of others that have found there way back.

    I swear man, same people vilifying Wenger for his soft approach are now like embarrassing mothers with their disobedient boys.

  5. The Godfather

    It’s funny how some jokers compare Guendo to Willock ….

    Switch the roles and let’s say Willock was the one with issues with Arteta and I bet ya that it won’t be the likes of PSG and Barca linked you him but rather the A list elite clubs like

    Blackburn
    Stoke
    Charlton Athletic …

    Sorry Joe didn’t mean to rate you like that 😂

  6. Pedro

    Godfather, if Joe Willock was behaving the same way, he’d get the same treatment.

    What you can get away with at Arsenal isn’t based on who you are linked with.

  7. DivineSherlock

    Why the fcuk are people Pro-Guendouzi ? He is not the second coming of Xavi is he . He is a spoiled brat . Also if he has suitors like Barcelona than good for him , maybe he’ll learn . You know who else went there Alex Hleb , he ended his career at Brimingham City. Talent doesnt matter jack shit its your attitude and right now his attitude isnt right and Arteta has done exactly what is right for the club.

  8. Words on a Blog

    The Godfather,

    Gnabry wasn’t just linked with Stoke, he went to Stoke, under Lord Pulis no less.

    Now look at him.

    Willock is developing nicely, even if he isn’t quite (yet?) football’s second coming.

  9. GunnerDNA

    Why was Edu even involved in any meeting with this kid after that Brighton incident? Why was Mikel not capable of dealing with that minor issue by himself? Did Mikel inexperience cause him to overreact causing other members of staff to get involved? The incompetence that’s on display by this lot is staggering. These jokers don’t know that fans are seeing the incompetence on display. Raul turning up at Saka signing a contract extension is the biggest one to date. Didn’t trust them from the moment they asked Emery to don’t play Ozil and failed to support him after the fans turned on him. Next season is going to be interesting!

  10. The Backpass

    Except now he has been training alone, shopped around in swap deals.

    Has he behaved badly? According to the media. YES

    But, it should have been done internally, so that when you want to sell him, you sell big.

    We are not goingto get close to £25 million for him now, but if we’ve handled this better we could have gotten at least £35 million for a young French international.

  11. Words on a Blog

    Based on absolutely no inside knowledge whatsoever my feeling is that a club has come in and expressed strong interest in Guendouzi at a reasonably attractive price. Arsenal is willing to sell as Arteta is looking for a midfield upgrade, and Guendouzi wants to go as he isn’t getting the superstar treatment he got under Emery.

    The disciplinary/character “issues” are just a figleaf to enable a smooth transfer.

  12. Pedro

    GunnerDNA, Edu is the technical director, he is Arteta’s boss. He oversees the whole football operation. That’s why he’s there.

    Raul is basically the CEO, that’s why he was at the signing of Saka. It is standard that a man in his position be at a major Arsenal event.

  13. Pedro

    The Backpass, Arteta has dealt with it internally.

    A football club has about 100 people at a training ground at any given time.

    There is no way to keep the details of a player secret from the media.

    If no one knew what was going on with Matteo, people would be making an even bigger deal out of this.

  14. Thorough

    I think what many fail to appreciate is this Guen issue is a real stinker and will leave a sore taste eventually whether Arteta wins or not. Even on this blog people are split on the issue. It shows there’s a case for his stance anyway you look at it.

    And nobody hates Arteta. If there are people like that they would have been raising a dust about Ozil’s treatment.

  15. The Backpass

    To think Guendozi os the only football in top flight football in the Top 6 leagues with this so called “bad attitude” is very funny.

    The only thing is that most of them keep whatever is going on internally and when opportunity arises, sell them without drama.

  16. Olumide

    The Backpass
    We’ve got basically the club’s mouthpiece…Ornstein saying He has to apologize before he gets back into the squad, Arteta saying nothing has changed (meaning he hasn’t apologized) as reported by Ornstein, gunnerblog e.t.c.Similar to the Koscienly news..hardly would you get direct quotes, but they pass the messages onto trusted journalist.
    ——
    What Ornstein and Arteta said about the issue amounts to public bashing?

  17. Champagne Charlie

    GunnerDNA

    Why wouldn’t a senior figure be present when communicating to a player that he’s treading a fine line? It reinforces the sentiment that his behaviour isn’t in keeping with the whole clubs standards, not just Arteta’s.

    It’s not the first misdemeanour, it’s a handful (that we know of). If Guendouzi thought it was a case of Arteta simply being a bit harsh on him then the presence of senior management should’ve alerted him to the seriousness of his malcontent.

    His reaction? To leave both his manager, and a senior exec with a lower opinion of him than before the meeting. That isn’t immaturity, it’s sheer stupidity/rancid character. Some life lessons are jarring, this will be one.

  18. Tee

    Arteta has handled the situation as he deemed fit and those in the know ain’t criticising him for not cuddling a troublesome kid footballer.

    It’s kinda weird that a lot of posters here acting like we are dealing with febregas. One even said guendiuzi’s former coach’s comment in his behaviour is the same with that of Tony pulis on gynabry forgetting that no one in the club is complaining about guendiuzi’s football but attitude.

    To even compare gynabry’s case to guen’s makes me wanna throw up.

    Like Olumide posted, guen’s goons can’t come up with any direct quote from Arteta to back up their “public bashing” mantra but want to shove it up our throat as the truth.

    All you read us “leaks”. Who is leaking what? Then the goalpost changes.

    Like I earlier posted, guen changes, he plays otherwise, he remains ostracized. He isn’t worth the stress.

    No player is bigger than the club.

  19. Champagne Charlie

    “A football club has about 100 people at a training ground at any given time.There is no way to keep the details of a player secret from the media.“

    Are you sure? Because reading some of the stuff on here it seems Arsenal own several news outlets and are spinning webs.

  20. Batistuta

    “Pro Mateo crowd”…

    This place and always wanting to place name tags on folks who don’t agree with their opinion. Almost Juvenile like

  21. Pedro

    CC, people get themeselves in knots.

    Wenger was soft
    Arteta is mean
    Matteo is just a lot soul
    The football CEO shouldn’t be at the Saka signing, this is incompetence

    No elite club in the world allows bad behaviour to go unchecked.

    Also interesting no one mentions that Arteta has already forgiven a huge bust-up in Dubai. He brought AMN back in from the cold for lateness. He has brought Pepe in and out.

  22. Frost

    What’s the difference between Willock & Elneny? I’m genuinely curious.

    Literally the only thing the boy has in abundance is his energy. He’s not a great tackler, passer of the ball, doesn’t really have great vision & yet he’s rated by some over Guen?

    The only 3young talents we have in this squad are Guen, Saka, & Martinelli. (Tierney & Pepe if you regard them as young talents). I’d be shocked if the rest become starters for us. Shocked.

    Squad players, maybe, but you can buy those anytime. Reason I’ll never understand why an Nketiah would be getting starts over Pepe, just makes no sense!.

  23. The Backpass

    Pedro

    “There is no way to keep the details of a player secret from the media.If no one knew what was going on with Matteo, people would be making an even bigger deal out of this.”

    Actually, there is, Fine him or something and let him train with the squad, end of season then sell.

    Wenger did this with Szczesny.

    Arthur at Barca was said to have Gonorrea but the club kept saying he had Groin injury, till it was forgotten.

    We aren’t the only club with a player with attitude problems, we are just the only one foolish to let everybody know.

  24. Pedro

    Bati, when you are having a debate about the topic of Matteo, it’s fair to address the group that are banging the drum for the player as pro. Hardly an inaccurate summary of a collective view.

  25. Pedro

    Backpass, last time I checked, catching an STI is not an attitude issue.

    Interesting that your main concern is that Matteo can train with everyone. Very kind of you to care about his wellbeing.

  26. Frost

    “This place and always wanting to place name tags on folks who don’t agree with their opinion. Almost Juvenile like”

    Childish behaviour tbh. I’d be pissed if the boy left because we have a green manager who’s learning how to handle characters. Pissed.

  27. The Backpass

    ““Pro Mateo crowd”… This place and always wanting to place name tags on folks who don’t agree with their opinion. Almost Juvenile like”

    It’s sad really, if you have an opposing view you are viewed as Pro( whatever the discussion).

  28. azed

    “What’s the difference between Willock & Elneny? I’m genuinely curious.”

    Is it joke Friday already?

    Willock is like 20….give the man some time.

    Oh and he’s done very well in hist first full season in the first team.

  29. Pedro

    Frost, I think he has bigger characters in the squad to worry about than a 20-year old that has done nothing in the game.

    Matteo was a problem under Emery, Freddie and his coaches in France. Reckon there’s a pattern there.

  30. Freddie Ljungberg

    Pedro

    “A football club has about 100 people at a training ground at any given time.There is no way to keep the details of a player secret from the media.“

    That is quite the 180 from when Emery was blamed for all the leaks happening under his regime. Of course that was ridiculous, just as it would be to blame Arteta for them now.

  31. Sid

    Sid
    Is it? Seems to work quite well for city, Barcelona and any Italian side you care to mention.

    Barca being barca are protected by the refs, man city have the talent to pull it off,
    Meanwhile at arsenal its red cards, send offs, bloody faces and maupeyed
    Its not working to our advantage

  32. The Backpass

    “Backpass, last time I checked, catching an STI is not an attitude issue.Interesting that your main concern is that Matteo can train with everyone. Very kind of you to care about his wellbeing.”

    Am saying club can and do cover up things if they don’t want it public. And I dont know why you are being sarcastic, anyway its your blog.

  33. Olumide

    The Backpass
    To think Guendozi os the only football in top flight football in the Top 6 leagues with this so called “bad attitude” is very funny.
    The only thing is that most of them keep whatever is going on internally and when opportunity arises, sell them without drama.
    —–
    When a player has really bad attitude, you can’t keep it away from the media. Whether the club wants it to get out or not.
    Guendouzi is a player with a reputation of bad attitude before he came to Arsenal. This is not something new.
    Allowing Guendouzi to do whatever he wants will set a bad precedent.

  34. Pedro

    fucking hell, people that are going all out in defence of Matteo getting upset at being call pro-Matteo.

  35. Jamie

    Leaks under Emery = no bueno, mucho weak.

    Leaks under Arteta = impossible to control the narrative when 100 folk work for AFC.

    Emery was a dud, but damn did he get a rough ride here for being such a footnote.

  36. Olumide

    Frost
    Literally the only thing the boy has in abundance is his energy. He’s not a great tackler, passer of the ball, doesn’t really have great vision & yet he’s rated by some over Guen?
    ——
    I’m not saying Willock is better than Guendozi, but for the record, what does Guendouzi do well?

  37. The Backpass

    “A football club has about 100 people at a training ground at any given time.”

    No shit, maybe that is why you let him train with the squad, so the 100 people at the training ground would see he is training and when not being used, will be thought as the managers discretion.

    Case in point Ozil.

  38. TR7

    How would other players be looking at the Guendouzi saga ? Would they not be wary and distrusting of Arteta given how Guen’s image is being tarnished in the media bit by bit and day by day ? I like both Arteta and Guendouzi, so I have no prejudice against any of the two warring factions but to my mind Arteta has mishandled the matter of Guen. For a 20 plus old player it is easy to apologize to someone who is a veteran and much elder say Fergie, Wenger, Ancellotti etc. but making him apologize to someone like Arteta who is himself a newbie is not easy and especially for misbehaving with an opponent. Thin line between being commanding and flexing your muscle/throwing your weight around.

  39. Pedro

    Backpass, if a player is disruptive to your training session, maybe you do what’s best for the greater good of the squad? That’s leadership.

  40. China1

    I don’t mind Guen being dropped, told off or even sold, but this whole way it’s being shared with the press feels like amateur hour

    He’s not mbappe. We don’t need to be trying so hard to make a point to the outside world when dealing with him internally and just dropping/selling him would suffice. Why make it so dramatic? There was less drama when xhaka told the fans to fuck off LOL

    Literally stop and think about that

  41. Jamie

    The easy way out of this is to agree that leaks about players misbehaving look bad in general.

    To his credit, Wenger was pretty good at keeping a lid on things and dealing with issues in-house.

  42. Champagne Charlie

    Pedro

    It’s maddening to read. The 180 being done from numerous is honestly perplexing. Years we’ve said Arsenal is a crèche and the players are mailing it in, everything nice, no high standards

    Now a guy comes in, raises the bar, and holds players accountable to the Nth degree and we’re seeing the victims of that enforcement lamented for. Bizarre.

    Also very worrying that some believe a players talent should somehow supersede the fundamental rules that are expected to be a footballer at Arsenal. How does that one work exactly? You have to do behave according to X…..unless you’re really good and you can be a mug? Odd concept.

  43. The Backpass

    “Backpass, you know that Arthur had an STI. How has that been well covered up?”

    Maybe because the news broke from Brazil but Barcelona took it has a nothing rumor, and fed the info to all their journalist that it was a rumor and said it was just a Groin injury thereby killing the narattive he had STI.

  44. Un na naai

    FrostJuly 9, 2020 15:32:06
    What’s the difference between Willock & Elneny? I’m genuinely curious.

    Frost
    One scores goals, makes runs, creates space and the other is shit. Hope this helps

  45. Pedro

    CC, it’s as weird as ‘the press has been handled badly.’

    Can you imagine this board if no one knew why MG wasn’t in the squad?

    I’ll go at our leadership for many things, but the way they are handling this is bang on.

    Stick to your guns. Improve the culture. Cut out the poison.

  46. The Backpass

    “The easy way out of this is to agree that leaks about players misbehaving look bad in general”

    Exactly.

  47. Emiratesstroller

    Pedro

    If a player is “toxic” or no longer “pulling his weight” in team then it is time for
    the club to cut its losses and let the player(s) go.

    That is I suspect the point reached with both Guendouzi and Ozil. Both players
    for different reasons are failing to meet expectations of the club.

    Guendouzi is a young guy who continues to misbehave and shows a lack of respect both to management and his teammates. Having someone like that
    in a club is going to be problematic. My guess also is that one reason that the
    club are now willing to let him go is that he has made it abundantly clear that
    he wants to leave the club.

    Ozil is a longterm problem since he was awarded the pay rise. He is no longer
    capable of performing to the level of expectation and to justify the wages paid
    to him. Sometimes the only way to resolve the problem is to be harsh to be kind.

    The first is that Ozil and his agent recognise that he is now unwanted and uses
    the next two months to find a club, where he can play football next season and
    then come up with a financial proposal to solve current impasse.

    The second is that he takes gardening leave next season. The question then is
    will any club sign a player aged 33 who has not played football for 12 months?

  48. Un na naai

    SidJuly 9, 2020 15:37:49
    Sid
    Is it? Seems to work quite well for city, Barcelona and any Italian side you care to mention.Barca being barca are protected by the refs, man city have the talent to pull it off,
    Meanwhile at arsenal its red cards, send offs, bloody faces and maupeyed
    Its not working to our advantage

    Sid
    Ah. When in doubt, shift those goal posts or back track.
    So kumbaya boys is ok for the elite sides?
    I’d also like to point out that the highest places team in the fair play league are the best team in Liverpool
    Spin your way out of that one, FOR FREE

  49. The Backpass

    Olumide

    “When a player has really bad attitude, you can’t keep it away from the media. Whether the club wants it to get out or not.
    Guendouzi is a player with a reputation of bad attitude before he came to Arsenal. This is not something new.
    Allowing Guendouzi to do whatever he wants will set a bad precedent”

    Is Arsenal the only team with a player with bad attitude?

  50. Pedro

    Backpass, Arsenal players get regular STI checks, and you have never, ever heard a leak like that. That is almost a legal issue of a leak.

    The point being, if Barca can’t keep medical records safe on your say so, how are you so sure we’re being incompetent with Matteo?

  51. Olumide

    TR7
    For a 20 plus old player it is easy to apologize to someone who is a veteran and much elder say Fergie, Wenger, Ancellotti etc. but making him apologize to someone like Arteta who is himself a newbie is not easy and especially for misbehaving with an opponent.
    —-
    If Guendouzi isn’t stupid, he’d know that he should apologize to his boss considering he did something wrong. Please mention 3 superstar footballers today who behaved like Guendouzi at 20.

    People say other teams are looking to buy Guendouzi. Do you think their managers won’t look at his arrogant behaviour to Arteta?

  52. Pedro

    Backpass, no. Spurs have a player with an attitude problem, their most expensive signing ever.

    Please go tell me how Poch and Jose dealt with it.

  53. Un na naai

    OlumideJuly 9, 2020 15:42:53
    Frost
    Literally the only thing the boy has in abundance is his energy. He’s not a great tackler, passer of the ball, doesn’t really have great vision & yet he’s rated by some over Guen?

    Frost
    I’d say his entire style is more penetrating and protagonistic (if that’s a word)
    His passing in the final 3rd is better
    He has the nack for timing his runs and finding space
    He creates space for others and has an eye for goal.
    As well as boundless energy and enthusiasm.

    What’s not to like?

  54. Olumide

    The Backpass
    Is Arsenal the only team with a player with bad attitude?
    —-
    Is Guendouzi the only footballer you know with a bad attitude?

  55. GunnerDNA

    Pedro,

    “Frost, I think he has bigger characters in the squad to worry about than a 20-year old that has done nothing in the game”

    With the exception of KT and to some degree GM who are the other bigger characters you’re referring to. Drop some name other than making stuff up

  56. Un na naai

    PedroJuly 9, 2020 15:52:22
    Backpass, Arsenal players get regular STI checks, and you have never, ever heard a leak like that. That is almost a legal issue of a leak.

    Always bag up kids 😉

  57. The Backpass

    “I don’t mind Guen being dropped, told off or even sold, but this whole way it’s being shared with the press feels like amateur hour”

    Pretty much, heck all my post regarding Guendozi has always been he should be a backup or sold with torreira to get a competent midfield.

    Same thing happened with Koscienly, The management wants the fans to turn on said players making it easier to leave.

    Just sell him and be done with it.

  58. Champagne Charlie

    “For a 20 plus old player it is easy to apologize to someone who is a veteran and much elder say Fergie, Wenger, Ancellotti etc. but making him apologize to someone like Arteta who is himself a newbie is not easy“

    This is a horrible take.

    If you can’t recognise the authority is in the role and not in the age or time spent of a man doing it then that’s YOUR issue. Doubly so when you sit down with that Manager AND executive of the club and fail to appreciate the tone.

    He never played with Arteta, there’s no awkwardness or blurred lines there that could be forwarded as a thin argument. He’s the manager, end of.

    Even those whom Arteta played with, Bellerin and co., they’ve had no issues with respecting his authority in the role he now occupies. Age or being a green manager is not a defence, at all.

  59. TR7

    Pedro

    MG a ‘poison’ now ? Not more than a few weeks ago, you were singing praises of Guen. When Wenger was here, you used to say we were too nice and how we needed a few nasty players in the mold of Douglas Costa.

  60. Ishola70

    azed

    “Oh and he’s done very well in hist first full season in the first team.”

    This isn’t true at all.

    Moderate to questionable really.

    Too many games he has been invisible and a few too many games he has been hauled off.

  61. Un na naai

    Wow!! Hilarious to witness the overreaction of the usual suspects over an over indulged, self entitled, privileged little boy.

    Of all the things to stir the pot it’s a midfielder who isn’t first choice. Isn’t very good. Has terrible attitude. And who’s GA stands at 3 or 4 in two seasons!!!

    Hahahahahaha
    Bloody hilarious. 😃

  62. Champagne Charlie

    “Can you imagine this board if no one knew why MG wasn’t in the squad?“

    That’s exactly what I’ve said on the matter, handling it internally is wonderfully naive. The fact he’s not in the match day squad for a month would lead to speculative chaos if not addressed to some end.

    The club have been very clear officially, if you want on the boat they’re very, very welcoming. But we have non-negotiables everyone is expected to uphold.

    If someone has a problem with that framework I’m very sorry but you’re lost, that’s how it should be. It’s what we’ve needed for donkeys. Outline the standard, hold everyone to it, leave anyone who can’t cope behind irrespective of talent or ability. Grow.

  63. China1

    I think the reason why all this leaks look so dumb is that very few people even care that much about Guen.

    How many here will be shedding a tear if he stays or goes? Some think he’s better than others. Not sure anyone thinks he’s a beast.

    By having this whole public drama thing it makes the club look like they’re struggling with dealing with a player who is in fact basically a footballing irrelevance.

    He’s not a super star. No one cares if we drop or sell him. Just punish him and move on already, it’s embarrassing

  64. The Backpass

    Because it was after a qualifier in brazil late November last year and the Brazilian press claimed he had it in Brazil, which was refuted by barca and after a week the rumour stopped.

    Im not turning this into a Arthur and STI argument.

  65. China1

    ‘I’m not turning this into an Arthur and STI argument’ is a sentence I never expected to read on this blog.

    Thanks for making me laugh

  66. Guns of SF

    For all we know guen might have asked for a transfer

    Said he doesn’t want to be here

    So there

  67. TR7

    ‘If you can’t recognise the authority is in the role and not in the age or time spent of a man doing it then that’s YOUR issue. Doubly so when you sit down with that Manager AND executive of the club and fail to appreciate the tone.’

    Charlie, not remotely true. If it were true then no football manager would lose the dressing room. No president of a political party would ever face dissidence/revolt from his party members. Respect does not merely come from the position one holds, respect is earned over a period of time by success/leadership/courage etc.

  68. The Backpass

    “Backpass, no. Spurs have a player with an attitude problem, their most expensive signing ever. Please go tell me how Poch and Jose dealt with it.”

    He is training with the squad same with Ozil training with the squad, not training alone because he has attitude problems.

  69. Jamie

    It’s also strange why so many are up in arms about Guendouzi’s treatment.

    He’s essentially been mince for 18 months at has attitude problems. Sell him after 2 years for a profit and move on.

  70. Champagne Charlie

    TR7

    Absolutely not, respect is lost over time. But there’s very much an issue with someone who can’t respect a person in a role from the off in whatever sector you offer.

    Football managers losing a dressing room is a different kettle of fish to one player failing to respect authority too. That occurs over time, and with numerous influences as to why. Is that the case here? Clearly not.

    Guendouzi is 20 years old and you think the issue is it’s “difficult” to apologise to his football manager because it’s his first managerial role?

    That’s a wild assessment.

  71. Batistuta

    Frost, Back pass

    I’m not even keen on the young lad, wouldn’t bat an eye if he was sold today and i think that’s the point most folks are making but surely the club which includes the manager should have handled this better, the leaks and even Pedro calling him “Poison” is quite over the top. He’s young and we’ve known he has a history with his character but surely there’s a better way to deal with this than the constant “leaks”.

    Diego Costa and Conte barely got along but no one knew till the tail end and the whole text message fiasco. It’s okay to admit the club/ manager isn’t handling the issue very well, doesn’t stop anyone from being the ultimate Arteta supporter which is what you see here with anyone seen not being supportive of ow this has been handled instantly branded as some sort of butt hurt fan or something childish along those lines

  72. The Godfather

    W.O.B:

    “ The Godfather,Gnabry wasn’t just linked with Stoke, he went to Stoke, under Lord Pulis no less.Now look at him.Willock is developing nicely, even if he isn’t quite (yet?) football’s second coming.”

    Hey now, if you’re gonna come out steaming at least try and get your arrows in order homie.

    Gnabry didn’t play at Stoke … Just an FYI!

  73. GunnerDNA

    “Respect does not merely come from the position one holds, respect is earned over a period of time by success/leadership/courage etc.”

    Facts!

  74. The Godfather

    Pedro:

    “ Godfather, if Joe Willock was behaving the same way, he’d get the same treatment.What you can get away with at Arsenal isn’t based on who you are linked with.”

    Again Pedro you’re missing the point and shooting first and aiming later.

    The point was about someone comparing the talents of the two and that’s why I said that there levels are incomparable …. Willock at this moment nowhere near Guendo in technical development and that’s why no top team would take a second glance …. if Willock was French he wouldn’t get an invite anywhere near the national team !!

  75. Un na naai

    The point was about someone comparing the talents of the two and that’s why I said that there levels are incomparable

    DNA

    Too right they are incomparable. Joe willock has 5 goals and 1 assist in little over 1000 mins of football

    Guendouzi has one assist in over 2000 mins of football!!!

  76. Sid

    advantageSid
    Ah. When in doubt, shift those goal posts or back track.
    So kumbaya boys is ok for the elite sides?
    I’d also like to point out that the highest places team in the fair play league are the best team in Liverpool
    Spin your way out of that one, FOR FREE

    Nowhere did i say its okay, told you reasons it works for others,
    We are trying to copy paste Pep last manager who went down that road didnt succeed

    Im telling you for free!

  77. Dissenter

    I’m just musing loudly but if Guendouzi had been the one that committed a reed card offence within a minute of coming on, would Arteta have been so unforgiving?

    I read that the club is filing an appeal to rescind the red card.

  78. The Backpass

    “I’m just musing loudly but if Guendouzi had been the one that committed a reed card offence within a minute of coming on, would Arteta have been so unforgiving”

    🤷

  79. Thank you and goodnight

    @Godfather
    Agree on Willock. I’ll be surprised if he’s still an Arsenal player in 2 years time as I really can’t see what his attributes are. But as for MG, in all honesty bar a couple of games don’t rate him either, to slow for this league ,Sorry. Take what we can for him.

  80. Thorough

    Pedro.
    Backpass, if a player is disruptive to your training session, maybe you do what’s best for the greater good of the squad? That’s leadership.

    No he is not.

    First of this latest incident stemmed from his handling of the Maupay Saga.

    His previous misdemeanor was an argument with Sokratis in which Arteta took sides with Sokratis.

    In addition, Bernard Casoni said on the Laurens piece that he’s never had such problems. Don’t take my words for it:

    “on’t want to sell’ Matteo Guendouzi despite ‘big issue’ with Mikel Arteta (Image: GETTY)
    He told journalist Freddie Paxton: “Guendouzi’s problem is not physical and is not technical. It’s his attitude, it’s not good for the team or the coach.

    “My relationship with him wasn’t very good. I picked him for a cup game against Nice but he got booked early on. The ref told me at half time to warn Guendouzi: one more foul and you’re off, but in the second half nothing changed.

    “I was left with no choice but to sub him off. When I did, he refused to shake my hand.

    “He took his job seriously, his training was no problem, and his character is to always want to win.

    “Sometimes when he talks it’s good. But sometimes he talks badly. He talks too much.

    “His talent isn’t in question, that’s not the issue. He can be a top, top player and I think he can still succeed abroad. It’s up to him to change his attitude.””

  81. The Godfather

    “ Matteo was a problem under Emery, Freddie and his coaches in France. Reckon there’s a pattern there.”

    So you are now using the opinion of a failed coach in France, who actually touted his abilities, and also saying he was a problem under Unai Emery and Ljunberg? Really?

    Sorry Pedro you are desperately “reaching” here!

    Stop the character assassination … it ain’t cool to do this to a kid who wears his heart on a sleeve for the club

  82. Versus

    PedroJuly 9, 2020 15:14:53
    Divine, Barca has been a career ender for Song, Hleb, Overmars, and Petit (McGuane)
    /
    And Vermaelen.

    Arsenal fans are notorious for overrating their players. ‘He’s wearing our shirt so he must be good’. Matteo is below average. He has no outstanding quality or talent. It’s like some of us have forgotten how good Cesc was, or Anelka, or Wilshere. These players had an outstanding quality that was easily visible. They just needed coaching, guidence, advise and experience. Matteo like most of our players is as good as he’ll ever be. You either have it or you don’t. Being able to dribble past defenders and bang it in the top corner isn’t something he can do. Being able to intercept or tackle attackers simultaneously winning the ball back isn’t something he can do. So what can he do? Get it, give it sideways. Get it, give it Sideways.

    No thankyou. We’re not Le Harve, guingamp or friggin Auxurre. We’re Arsenal.

  83. The Godfather

    👍👍👍👍👍

    “ I’m just musing loudly but if Guendouzi had been the one that committed a reed card offence within a minute of coming on, would Arteta have been so unforgiving?”

    Say it again Sir!!

    This place would have erupted if Guendo had been so stupid

  84. Un na naai

    His previous misdemeanor was an argument with Sokratis in which Arteta took sides with Sokratis.

    Thorough
    1) Is that not disrupting training sessions then?
    2) maybe Guendouzi was the instigator and guilty party? Seems odd that Arteta would back a centre half he clearly doesn’t want over a youngster who up until then (and after, until Brighton) was a feature in his sides. You can’t seriously think he’d go out of his way to pick on a highly rated youngster in favour of a guy he’s looking to get rid of ASAP?

  85. Words on a Blog

    Godfather,

    My bad!
    Gnabry played at West Brom (a much sexier club than Stoke, briefly managed by Pulis)

  86. Champagne Charlie

    Pedro

    What’s this I’m reading about KSE acquiring the clubs debt to free spending? COVID moves? Or a whiff of ambition?

  87. Radio Raheem

    We need to talk about Ings.

    We can’t buy top dollar strikers, not that there are (m)any of those around.

    Surely surely Ings is an improvement on Laca and Eddie?

  88. Valentin

    When Troy Deeney went on TV and talked about Arsenal lacking cojones. I don’t remember him being fined and forced to apologise to his teammates.

    If Leno gives an interview in which he basically accuses Neal Maupay of being an mediocre player who injured him and caused him to miss Euro 21. Would Arsenal forces him to apologise to his teammates for his poor behaviour?

    And now if Leno refuses to apologise, what does Arsenal do? Should they escalate the incident up, force him to train with the kids and ending up selling him for less than he is worth?

    Again there is no Pro-Matteo side, the question that is raised about how Arsenal does not seem to keep a lid of resolving the situation before they explode. Adaptability and empathy are not dirty words, stubborness is. The job centre is full of stubborn former managers who stuck to their rigid principles and in the end alienated everybody working with them.

    There is a happy medium between a disciplinarian and a lax manager.

    As an aside note, Being an Arsenal fan is not a cult, we can criticise the leader. I like Arteta, but when I think that he is making a mistake, I would voice that opinion. I don’t think that it is a personal attack on him to state that I think he went about the situation the wrong way.

  89. Valentin

    CC,

    Debt consolidation does not necessarily means debt cancellation. So If KSE acquires Arsenal debt and cancel it or rearrange it with a lower the interest rate, then fine otherwise the move is irrelevant.

  90. shaun

    don’t think anyone knows what actually happened between Arteta and Guen except those two , so making silly assumptions about what has happened and why Guen is being punished are futile