What’s up at Arsenal?

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Yesterday, I touched on the David Luiz deal that all fans should find abhorrent. Today, I wanted to map out the journey Arsenal are on. We’re fast-moving from a club that was mocked for not moving with the times because we believed in the integrity of the game, to one that is seen as a feeding trough for super-agent fees.

This is a rundown of what’s happened since Wenger was fired.

Raul hired Unai Emery despite data pointing towards him being a super bland manager. Unai Emery actually thanked his agent, Arturo Canales, in an interview he did with AS before he moved.

“Thanks in part to Arturo Canales, they insisted I was the best candidate of all.”

Canales wasn’t his agent at the time but switched over soon after. Unai Emery was a bad candidate. He couldn’t manage egos, he couldn’t speak English, and his record with defences was abysmal.

Question: Did Canales land a finders fee?

It was clear from Emery’s first season that he was an absolute disaster of epic proportions. The data around his tenure showed that he’d performed worse than Wenger across the board. His football was bland, his communication was atrocious, he fell out with big names, he was meek, and he dropped the most cowardly end to a season in living memory.

He should have been fired, he wasn’t, and to make matters even more perplexing, Raul Sanhelli tried to give him an extension to his deal. The next season got off to the worst start in 38 years, but Raul held off firing him until mid-December, to the horror of Sir Chips according to Tim Payton. Eventually, the position became so toxic, the club had to exit Emery.

Sven Mislintat left Arsenal because he didn’t like the way Raul’s approach to transfers. The contacts approach wasn’t for him, this was common knowledge around the training ground.

With no Sven at the table, what happened? We unveiled a mega signing. Arsenal brought Nicolas Pepe to Arsenal (yes, I was excited). The rumours are that the fee was eye-watering. Italian clubs were leaking they wouldn’t deal with the number. Even this deal is based on contacts. A guy called Marc Ingla used to work with Raul at Barcelona in the marketing department. Famed in France after landing a 3 month suspended sentence from footballing activity in France for alleged false reporting in May 2019. The deal helped the €140m debt arrangement Lille had Elliot Management and staved off a Milan like takeover (according to the Financial Times).

The transfer fee we paid for Pepe was outrageous. If you’d said at the start of the summer, ‘where should we spend £72m?’, I’m not sure many would have said blow that on a winger. Especially not on one that was still incredibly raw and far from the finished article at 24 years old.

This sort of weirdness was all going to be solved by Edu. The Brazilian boasted Arsenal DNA and we hoped, Arsenal values. He’d put us on the straight and narrow, right?

So what do we know about Edu? Well, we know his agent is Kia. This would be fine if he at least pretended to act independently of him. His record so far indicates he does not.

Cedric Soares. A player Southampton thought was so bad, they leaked to The Athletic they were shocked to get a fee because they thought he’d end up at a lowly club after his contract expired in June.

As deadline week drew closer, news of Arsenal’s interest surfaced and Southampton could hardly believe it was true. They saw barely any logic in the approach and put it down to certain relationships between Arsenal and Soares’s people, yet there were no complaints from the south coast. A deal was done that suited all sides — the package is worth around £5m to Saints and Arsenal feel that, once fit, in Soares they will get exactly what they were seeking from the market.

It is quite stunning that the only person in world football that Arsenal could find to play right-back came from Kia’s portfolio (the same month, we were also linked to Kurzawa). He was also injured when we signed him.

David Luiz, another very odd signing. 3 months prior to joining Arsenal, he inked a 2 year deal with Chelsea. Edu then oversaw a £24m one-year signing that involved a £6m intermediaries fee (this has been denied by Kia, or at least he says he personally didn’t take more than £600k), an £8m transfer fee and a whopping £10m a year salary. David Luiz had been average for Chelsea. He was well past his prime, but Edu thought it wise to give him a 60% pay increase. Does that strike you as a normal thing to do for someone of his age and playing profile? Kia has fought back on the fee story, saying it was only £600k. Pretend for a minute the fee didn’t exist, we still spent £18m on a player we’re either having to sign up to a new deal or letting go for free.

Who are we being linked to this summer? Willian. A 31-year-old winger from Kia’s portfolio. My suspicion is this free transfer will look great to Josh K, and the player will come for a pay rise and there will be another fee. That deal was as rumoured to be very close a few months ago. Not sure where it is now, but would it surprise you? Why would Arsenal keep lining up at the same trough?

We are also being heavily linked to Coutinho. A good player, but Arsenal, per Josh K, has a wage bill problem and we’re apparently thinking about taking the 3rd highest-paid player from Barcelona on for next season. What’s the fee there? Are we really in a position to be exploring a deal of that size when we’ve cut the entire squads earnings by 12.5%? This is a player that can’t get a bite from anywhere in Europe because he is seen as overpriced. We are literally mainlining Kia’s players into the squad.

Then we go to Pablo Mari, a player I’m sure we’d all love to see come good, but he’s had 22 top-flight games and his agent is… Arturo Canales.

Even the interview process for Emery’s vacant role saw Kia inserting his clients into the mixer. Why would anyone consider Vítor Pereira? An absolute joke suggestion. He would be nowhere near any top clubs shortlist of names, but once again, Arsenal Football club indulged agent suggestions, despite the disastrous consequences of doing that exact same thing the first time around.

Where does scouting play out in these deals? Is it just a coincidence that most of our players come from a small selection of agents Edu and Raul like? Are we using our money to sign the absolute best talent to move us forward? Looks questionable.

There are four positions that are important for the smooth flow of unaccountability in football.

The club: Raul doesn’t own Arsenal, but he might as well do. Josh doesn’t understand the game in enough detail to be potent or nuanced in his questioning. Unless he truly did think £24m was a good deal for a 33 year old for one year, then we really are fucked. Geraldo Lopez of Lille tried to build a football agency so he could ship players around the world, then third party ownership disappeared, his solve? Buy a club. Jorge Mendes runs Wolves for a reason. Own a club and it’s a fee printing machine.

The Sporting Director: Wolves Sporting Director is really a super agent. According to Reuters, Jorge Mendes sees the only profitable part of football is player trading. This from the Reuters link.

“Trading in talent is often more profitable than owning soccer clubs, say academics who study the sport. But it is also a business model that some fans, officials and club owners criticise and oppose. They say it diverts money to agents and financial investors that would otherwise go to clubs and help sustain the vibrant competition that fans pay to see.”

A Sporting Director should be single-minded in delivering a club the best players, for the best price, that offer the best value. Arsenal is a club under financial strain. Where was the value in the Luiz deal? Can anyone fathom Soares at right-back?

The board: This is the final layer of scrutiny on deals. Raul, according to The Athletic, bypasses the board now, which is part of the reason Sir Chips packed in his Chairmanship. When you have owners learning the game, the board should be packed with knowledge and be afforded the power of veto, especially without a strong CEO in place.

The manager: It helps to have a compliant manager in charge. Nuno was Jorge Mendes man at Valencia. The fans hated it even though he took them into the top 4. Now he’s at Wolves. It’s clear why. Unai Emery had very little say at Arsenal, he was lucky to have the job. He was well paid and Raul was his king, but he had no true power according to his grumblings post-sacking.

Arteta was the best candidate for the job, this is true, but he is also in a very weak position. This is his first job, he’ll have very little power at the club right now, Raul is his King. The same was true for Unai Emery; who was going to Real Sociedad before his agent put the call in.

Say what you will about Arsene Wenger, the guy always had righteous views when it came to super-agents. To a fault, no doubt, but I tell you what, I wish we had some of his values at the exec level of Arsenal football club right now. I can’t believe I’m writing that but this is not a good moment for Arsenal.

We cannot allow our club to be a vessel for agents/intermediaries/family fees. I understand that it is hard to bypass them in totality, but the simple truth is Arsenal have shifted from a mindset of paying them as a necessity because we want a great player, to almost shifting our entire transfer approach to be solely focused on certain agents portfolios… to the detriment of the football that has us sitting in 9th.

The David Luiz deal was a huge waste of money. Unai Emery was a terrible hire. Cedric Soares should never have been signed. We did not need Dennis Suarez. Nicolas Pepe was overpriced. Now we’re looking at Willian, Coutinho and continue to be open to suggestions from the same stable of ‘friends.’ It’s a worrying trend and all the traditional checks and balances have gone. Absent ownership under Arsene Wenger was bad, but at least he tried to run the club like it was his own. What is the new world? Where is the fierce independence that makes Arsenal, The Arsenal?

We are better than this. There’s never been a greater leveller in football than what has happened now. Let’s hope we don’t blow it by meekly handing over our future to fee merchants.

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Habesha Gooner

Hahaha They must be referring to santi.

Marc

“not sure how much more evidence you need”

Something more than Amy Lawrence said it so it must be true would be a start.

Dissenter

Marc
You realize that the balance of about 2.5 million is what is contentious. His loan fee and wages are set in stone i.e about 2.5 million.
The Soares deal cost us some good money and he wasn’t going to be available until the end of February. What was he going to do in those last 2.5 months rthat will justify that spend?

I do believe that Arsenal is a big draw relative to Soton, that player would have come to us for free if were sincerely interested.

Marc

“What was he going to do in those last 2.5 months rthat will justify that spend?”

47 assists.

Freddie Ljungberg

Pedro How about some evidence at all? This is straight out of the conspiracy nut job handbook. Spurious connections and innuendo along with selective articles backing your viewpoint. Do you have one of those walls in your basement with Raul at the top and pieces of strings connected to Kia, Mendes and co? Are there aliens involved? I gave him a chance, some didn’t even give him until his first season started. I think he was left a shit squad, some think, even after slamming Wengers transfer dealings for a decade, that the squad was fine. I think we didn’t… Read more »

Emiratesstroller

I find this thread disturbing, because Pedro is “playing devil’s advocate”. He has come out with a critique which is not consistent with earlier posts. 1. He was a critic of Arsene Wenger justifiably on account of Arsenal’ declining performance in last decade of his managership. 2. I seem to recall that he was in favour of appointing a Football Director albeit maybe not Raul Sanhelli. 3. He was certainly a fan of Arteta like myself not just post Emery, but at the time when Wenger left the club as well. 4. The mood seems to have changed dramatically with… Read more »

Valentin

Pedro, The DNCG the French Sport financial regulator has a lot more clout than the English FA. Before clubs are allowed to compete in the league, they have to show their next season financial plan. It must show that they have the financial resources to complete the season and pay all their tax, players bill for the incoming season. They can then ban clubs from recruiting, and order the relegation of clubs for financial irregularities. When PSG has been gobbled up by Qatar for publicity reason, nobody really looked at what happen to other French clubs. French clubs have been… Read more »

Freddie Ljungberg

Ah yes Pedro

Only 3 people can’t see that Raul is Osama Bin Laden and Justin Bieber rolled into one.

Amy Lawrence is the arbiter of all that is just and true in the world. Dissent is not allowed. The Athletic is the pinnacle of journalism, handed down from god to Ornstein on a mountain top. Facts-ish.

Marc

“Last warning on anything political.”

VOTE TRUMP!

Marc

“The DNCG the French Sport financial regulator has a lot more clout than the English FA.”

Sorry only got one sentence in before having a small issue – Er PSG?

whiteydagooner

Great to watch the gee gees at Newcastle today. Live, competitive and outdoor sport… yaay! And everyone behaving. Roll on City.. 3 – 0 to us.. because Arteta will suss that City won’t want to be involved in a high pressing. high contact, virus spewing game, so he plays Ozil. who glides through the spaces in their suspect back line..three assists… Fuck politics. Come on Arsenal!! ..

Valentin

Pedro, The same gang of 4 who happen to be almost always on the wrong side of the argument are now defending Raul despite evidence that Arsenal has sinked further down since Wenger left. That should proof enough that as bad as Wenger was at the end of his tenure, he was still better than those greedy clowns. Instead of ranting about Wenger, they should be complaining about the road the club is currently taking. Why spend time trying to justify the good characters of people who have been convicted of lying and subsequently fined for the offense. My view… Read more »

salparadisenyc

Marc,

Now thats solid banter.

Freddie Ljungberg

A bit childish of Donnie to lash out at social media for fact checking him now when he’s been allowed to lie freely about everything and harass all and sundry for years before and they were never a problem then.

Dissenter

Unai na
For the sake of God…..man, the politics is too toxic right now.
It’s been brain frying — my TV has been off for 72 hours.

Arguing with Marc, Marko, Freddie, Habesha, Sa[n]tan and others has been like getting a temple massage.

Marc

” my TV has been off for 72 hours.”

Mate you probably just need new batteries in the remote!

Santan

“Last warning on anything political.”VOTE TRUMP!

This, this does put a smile on my face

Emiratesstroller

Pedro
.
If you read carefully what I have just posted I am not suggesting that you have
changed your mind about Raul, but remind you that you were in favour of the
creation of a Football Director.

My concern is how you are now portraying Raul as frankly that he
is a crook.

Kroenke may be a football ignoramus but I am pretty sure that he is a solid and smart businessman and he has always advocated high standards of conduct. Indeed he claimed that was why he bought into Arsenal.

Santan

Sa[n]tan

Whats happened here then

Marc

Emirates

Think you’re bang on – Pedro looks like he’s trying to drive traffic by being contradictory.

He’s changed his view on Luiz massively in a handful of days.

Valentin

Marc, Again you just show your basic lack of understanding. PSG did not break any French rules. Their ownership may be distateful, but it is perfectly legal. Because of the fear by other clubs to be surreptitiously bought and taken away from their local communities, French fans are urging the government to introduce the same 50% ownership limit that exists in Germany. The government is between two conflicting views. One supported by the fans. The other that those foreigner investors are bringing money. However if it can be proven that they in fact use it to siphon money out of… Read more »

Santan

Sa[n]tan

ohhhh i get it

alexanderhenry

Ishola

Yes, forgive me- in his last two seasons, but although he missed out on CL in his penultimate season , he did manage a pretty memorable FA cup win against Chelsea.
We’d take that now.

I thought Wenger’s time was up perhaps a few years before he was finally pushed but some of the anti wenger hysteria was overblown.
Style wise, I disagree. We always played some good stuff.

Marc

” until you can learn not to post abhorrent things on this site, that is exactly what you have to do”

Maggie Thatcher was sexy as hell.

Marc

” until you can learn not to post abhorrent things on this site, that is exactly what you have to do”

Xhaka is an amazing footballer

Freddie Ljungberg

Valentin Wenger left a ticking bomb that was slowly getting closer and closer to exploding, it was always going to get worse and had we kept Wenger on we would have been much worse off now. You don’t perform major surgery on a squad without sugardaddy money on a budget with limited ways of raising money. Anyone hoping for a quick fix there was and is deluded. Most of the signings from last summer haven’t had much of an impact yet, but they will in the long term. That’s what happen when you have the budget to sign Salibas and… Read more »

Marc

Not sure what I got the yellow card for the Luiz comment or the Maggie one!

alexanderhenry

Pedro

‘Alex, I don’t miss him in the dugout, but I think the club is sorely lacking his principles.’

Interesting. And what were those principles ? We don’t seem to have any at the moment.

Rich

Unai Emery finishing 5th and losing a Europa final was failure.

Arteta gets us knocked out of the Europa last 32 to a bunch of farmers, and hasn’t improved the football as of yet,and he’s a world class coach?

Some days I can’t believe the mental gymnastics Pedro performs in an attempt to confirm his own biases.

Brilliantly entertaining writer, but the content is just pure dribble

Marc

” until you can learn not to post abhorrent things on this site, that is exactly what you have to do”

Mustafi is a great defender.

Marc

“Brilliantly entertaining writer, but the content is just pure dribble”

Comment of the fucking century!

Marc

Un

I thought you were trying to avoid the ban!

Marc

Pedro

We’re not laughing with you!

Marc

Un

Who are your top 5 serial killers of the 20th century?

Marc

I blame the parents!

Emiratesstroller

Pedro I also hate the deal if it is proven true, but I have my doubts that it is the case. One of the reasons that Gazidis role at the club was split between Managing Director [Vinai Venkatesham] and Football Director [Raul] was to ensure that the club finances were being properly managed whilst at the same time the football business was brought into 21st century. One of the myths published previously today is that Raul made the decision about Arteta. If you feed back it was Venkhatesham and the club lawyer who visited him in Manchester presumably at the… Read more »

Marc

Un

Ok what about you’re top 5 cuddly animals?

alexanderhenry

Pedro

Shouldn’t the owners show that level of commitment?
Hiring Raul and the rest shows they have no clue.
It’s like a major record label signing a shit version of coldplay.

Valentin

Freddie, I was not arguing that we should have kept Wenger, I was arguing that we have replaced by a worst management team. I am sorry, but Gazidis and this current management team have compounded mistakes upon mistakes. Mhkitaryan instead of Martial. Giving an unnecessary pay rise to Xhaka. Giving a pay rise to Elneny when we were in the process of selling him. Hiring Lichsteiner (I still remember the abuse I took for daring to suggest that a player who can’t cope with the physicality of the Italian League is unlikely to thrive in the EP). Loaning a player… Read more »

Marc

“It’s like a major record label signing a shit version of coldplay.”

Doesn’t that sort of depend on your opinion of Coldplay?

Marc

Pedro

It’s well known Fat Frank didn’t want Luiz at the club, in that respect we did do Chelsea a favour.

Why has my spell check gone American? It’s bad enough that I can’t spell but the fucking spell check as well.

Marc

Un

What about their early racist political spell?

Emiratesstroller

Pedro

Since we are discussing “newspaper” gossip the Mirror has published tonight
and article suggesting that at request of Arteta the club have now offered
Luiz a new contract but at a lower wage than his current deal which is
£130,000 pw.

So now we have agent denying that his commission was the figures previously
published and the Mirror publishing a significantly lower wage than £200K pw.

Marc

“UnOk what about you’re top 5 cuddly animals?🤔 I’m not touching that with a 6 foot barge pole.”

It was the pole that got you banned from the Zoo!

Marc

Un

Mate I’m taking the piss.

It’s also possible that after far too many weeks in lockdown I’m really starting to lose it.

Freddie Ljungberg

Val I don’t think Martial was ever on the table no matter how much Wenger supposedly wanted him. He fucked up by not selling Alexis to City. Gazidis + Wenger, one of the many mistakes we’re still paying for today. Xhaka and Elneny should never have gotten pay rises, not sure how much it was but still. Licht – Sven. Stupid but maybe necessary at the time with no money and the squad full of holes Suarez – was brought in to play on the wing, where we had basically no one, didn’t work out, no big deal. Ospina –… Read more »

Emiratesstroller

For the record I want the club to start offloading some of the deadwood CBs on
our books as has been previously discussed. The club does not need EIGHT.

Valentin

Kia is not disputing the £6 millions fees, he is disputing that HE received it.
However if there is another organisation that was paid £5.4 millions, then he will pretend that has nothing to do with him.

He may be convincing, the same way he was when pretending twice that the WestHam Tevez 3rd party ownership deal had been rescinded. Until it was proven in a court of law that it wasn’t. If memory serves me right, he was found jointly liable for the £15 millions to be paid to Sheffield United.

Marc

Un

It’s not 3am

Marc

Emirates

2 that can defend would be a start!

Freddie Ljungberg

Pedro

It’s been reported widely that Luiz got 1 year with an option to extend for another, pretty smart if we’re not sure if he’s going to work out or not.

I would of course prefer if we got a long term partner for Saliba in but if not or if we buy Fofana for example and loan him back I’d rather keep Luiz for another year than Mustafi or Sokratis.

Emiratesstroller

Pedro

I made my position crystal clear. I will judge the facts when they emerge.

You can be fairly certain that Kroenke will have been informed what has been
alleged and if there is evidence of what is going on I am pretty sure he will act.

Kroenke may be a lot of things, but rich people do not like to be taken for a mug.

Freddie Ljungberg

Pedro

When did Sir Chips get elevated to trusted source from useless old fuckwit with no football knowledge or ambition for the club? Asking for a friend

Freddie Ljungberg

Pedro

you think we signed him up on a contract with an option for us to extend but we have to pay new fees and presumably VAT too? I agree, that would be very stupid. So most probably not something that happened.

He’s still not on 200k either.

Valentin

Freddie, On the Martial subject, Mourinho wanted him out of the club. Edward did not want to sell him, because he thought that there was a player in him. However he was ready to start negotiating, when Gazidis decided to accept Mhkitaryan. I find it funny that you always minimise the financial implication of this current team bad decision. Despite those have a clear impact today on the current situation. Regarding Koscielny, don’t let Marc gaslighting and fake narrative sway you. My point and I made it very clear at the time was that we should exactly the same thing… Read more »

salparadisenyc

A few things that should really never be mentioned on Le Grove again,
Coldplay, Trump and Cuddly animals unless were talking about Tony Adams.

Freddie Ljungberg

Val I don’t minimise them, they are minimal compared to the mistakes in the past. Xhaka 35m 4 year deal, Mustafi 35m 4 year to life. Etc etc. Compared to that Soares, Suarez etc are small fry. I rather we kept our mistakes small if they have to happen and no one makes 0 mistakes. Pedro First of all it’s just you speculating that it’s Sir Chips, nothing else. Second the board has been written off for years as useless geriatrics with not an ounce of football acumen between them, pretty sure you have done so several times. Now he’s… Read more »

Freddie Ljungberg

Not aggressive at all Pedro. Bit tired of the unsubstantiated claims stated as facts though. Now all of a sudden the board is the bastion of our values and the bulwark against Raul when they haven’t done a single thing in over a decade to inspire any confidence whatsoever. Does it say that Sir Chips is the source or not in the article? I’m not going to pay just to read that one article when their fact checking is that abysmal. Is there a need to read the article when we’re discussing the made up figure of 6m agent fees… Read more »

Freddie Ljungberg

Pedro

I’ve read the 6m fee and the 200k wages. Doesn’t take a genius to figure out that’s bullshit without reading the whole fable.

I’ve also read Kia’s response to the fee.

What else is there to know? Are they claiming to have found the lost city of Atlantis?

You alleged that it was Sir Chips that was the source to the article, I’m asking if you just made that up or if it’s in the article? Simple question.

Either way it’s your remarkable aboutface on the credibility of the board that amazes me.

Emiratesstroller

Freddie Ljungberg Sensible supporters will have an “open mind” about what is alleged. I am not going to believe or disbelieve it, because it is sadly not unheard of in football. After all George Graham was sacked for taking a bung. What I am pretty sure is that Kroenke will have been informed about what is being alleged and will investigate. My personal opinion is the same as yours. Raul does not hold the “purse strings” in the club and it is highly unlikely that Arsenal will sanction agents fees on the scale alleged or pay Luiz £200K pw at… Read more »

Freddie Ljungberg

When did we sign Neymar? I only care what he has done at Arsenal, not what he is rumoured to gmhave done, or the players we are linked with. Just what he has done, and so far it’s looking good from where I’m sitting, certainly much better than under Wenger or anything Sven did. If that changes my opinion will too. I’m not a fanatic. I do want me some facts first though. When has the board ever been accountable for anything? Please. ES I’m not discounting that something fishy could have happened either, I doubt it though and I’m… Read more »

Dissenter

Santan
Just having fun mate
I had to retype your moniker X5 because it kept he being autocorrected to ‘satan’
I owe you a virtual beer. Take no offense

Freddie Ljungberg

Dissenter

I’m sure he’s crying into his bowl of brimstone as we speak.

China1

Susan Rice claiming without evidence that the US riots are being instigated by foreign actors (likely Russian) and CNN’s host said ‘you’re absolutely right’

This kind of shit is why CNN is still fake news

Freddie Ljungberg

Pedro

Nah, the club and every other news article that isn’t the athletic and that writes stuff that actually makes sense.

You know. Because I don’t think Raul eats babies and punches puppies I don’t need to find the most outlandish claims to support it. Makes my life easier.

China1

Yeah sorry Pedro but chips wasn’t holding anyone accountable for anything at any moment in the last 10 years so now we’re supposed to believe he’s this guy who was fighting for wenger out and frustrated by being squeezed out by Raul? How can you be squeezed out of something you were never in? Chips has had a ceremonial role since forever and you’d be hard pressed to name any contribution he has made to anything outside of coming out to say we have money and are going to back wenger in the transfer market (even though wenger complained later… Read more »

China1

Where was chips being angry when wenger was his boss? Lol

salparadisenyc

The term “Fake News” should really eliminate an opinion as being credible.

China, without evidence is a laughable term in America considering the past 6 months. Stack on this is an election year, with a few key races having primary’s tomorrow.

Yes its unthinkable these riots are being perpetuated by a foreign entity, finding Americas biggest weakness and sticking the knife in.

China1

Arsenal were rapidly and consistently run into the ground on chips’ watch in the last 10 years but he suddenly woke up one day and cared about doing the right thing, getting involved, getting wenger out, and having some kind of authority?

Chips stood down because he wants a change. If he cares about having authority or doing the right thing he’d have been more useful many, many years ago