Squad psychology

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Quite the scene in America at the moment. I walked through the protests yesterday, I’ve never felt sadness in the air like it. I hope everyone can stay safe and out of trouble this evening, it sounds like it’s going to be a very unpleasant weekend.

Onto the football.

The Premier League will be back, as will a lot of other live sports. We might not have normality in the streets, but the level of content on the TV is about to notch up a couple of levels.

The clubs themselves are doing a good job keeping the case numbers incredibly low. There have been a few cases, but in the main, the ramp-up in testing is doing the job.

Arsenal players look fit and raring to go. They all seem very excited to be back. There’s nothing quite like playing football in the sunshine. This will be the first-ever Premier League game in June. I’m so excited. A summer of football. It’s just a shame we can’t drink in bars to watch the games.

As it stands, Arsenal has 3 games in the books. We have our first game, versus Manchester City on the 17th, then we’re straight into the weekend to play Brighton. I wondered if that was a disadvantage, but likely not. Having a bit more fitness in the legs will probably work for the players.

We also have an FA Cup game against the very impressive Sheffield United on June 27th. The final will be August first this year. We’d normally be pissing around on a foreign tour at that point. Imagine not being able to attend an FA Cup final? Or winning one without a crowd?

There are 5 subs allowed this time round, but you only get 3 goes at making them. This could open up space for some of the kids to impress. From what I understand, the club is very excited about a couple of kids that aren’t widely known by the public. Matt Smith and Trae Coyle have both been seen training with the first time, not sure if that’s just a standard rotation, or it means bigger things… but as the belt buckles tighten, you’d imagine Arteta might see this final run of ten games as a great chance to let some of them shine.

It’s important to note that we will likely take these games a little differently. I mean, that’s what I’m guessing. The manager is working with new information in a new reality. The game is different, the club will have less money, certain players will not be allowed to stay on at the club even if he wants them. That’ll change the psychology of some of the players. They might feel despondent… or they might need to play for their careers because landing a contract elsewhere has also become exponentially harder.

If Luiz is going, how much game time will he land? If there’s no future for Lacazette, does Eddie get the nod for the last batch of games? How will he approach youth?

So many questions that’ll be answered in about 18 days!

Short one today, stay safe my darlings. x

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  1. Fairly Used Gunner

    China1

    “These riots are a terrible shame because it should’ve been widespread peaceful protests against police brutality and inherent racism in the system being propagated all the way from the top (trump) but now the opportunity has been hijacked and many who had sympathy for any movement will not any longer.”

    Sympathy? Freedom gotten from pity is not freedom. The black community has been living on white sympathy for centuries and racist behaviours have remained the same, worse it’s getting filmed; hence the magnitude of outrage. Racism is still very much everywhere and in every circle, nothing changes despite the strategic non violent stance individuals (Kolin Kapernick) and the black communities has employed in voicing their struggles. Acknowledgement that black skin doesn’t make one less a human being, never sympathy.

    To football.

    I have always believed Arsenal will bounce back at some point, although I’m not expecting it anytime soon. At least 2-3 years of mediocrity awaits us and it’s on that reason my concern is centered on the path we choose. For me our next two transfer will determine our ambition levels. As much as we need to flush out the dross we need to recruit the right players to play in a well defined system — Klopp with Liverpool. We need an identity to every buy we make.

    Regardless of any eventuality, Xhaka, Ozil, AMN, Laca, Ceballos, Bellerin, Guen, Mustafi, Sok, Luiz, and co need not be in starting berths of important fixtures beyond this season. Their sales should be enough to provide the funds for competent replacements.

  2. Tom

    Un your post is too incoherent to even attempt a reply.
    But I’m glad we have a peace deal with North Korea though.
    That’s fantastic. I’m also glad they’ve stopped their nuclear weapons and ballistic missile programs. Oh , wait. No, they haven’t.
    According to the UN experts the Trump North Korea strategy has been fruitless.

  3. Dissenter

    Marc
    Reagan just happened to come along at the tail-end of a broken Soviet Union.
    Their system couldn’t sustain a long term challenge. Reagan didn’t do any thing special.
    He left a colossal deficit as Valentin pointed out, one which Bill Clinton [your proclaimed leftist]
    Our right wing presidents are economy destroying here, Reagan, Bush and now Trump.

  4. Rich

    The Luiz signing was a shocker, particularly as we could have got Soyuncu for €20 million a year earlier, and on much cheaper wages.

    You can offset some of it by the €5million we got for Koscielny, and then Koscielny’s wages, and the money for Bieik, which probably amounts to the whole year deal for Louis.

  5. Dissenter

    Graham
    The divisions existed before Trump but he’s definitely poured petrol on them more than any one in my lifetime.

    Like I said, any world leader that follows him is doomed.
    Australia mistakenly jumped on the bash-China campaign even though they handled COVID-19 excellently. They are laying a massive price for it because they actually had a massive Positive trade balance with China.

    It’s every country for itself now. Self interest ought to reign now. Stop all these pretension of ‘leader of the free world’. There is no leader and the concept of ‘freedom’ is relative.

    I was impressed when Boris decided to go through with the 5G thing, hope he doesn’t change his mind.

  6. Tom

    Fairly Used Gunner
    Right?
    I love how white middle aged men ( I’m one) tell the blacks the proper way to protest for equality.
    Kneeling at the national anthem is definitely too strong a statement.

  7. Wasi

    Psg are such bulls man. Shoving out 50+ mil during the pandemic.
    Is someone familiar with Psg’s finances. Like are they really generating so much funds in this time of crisis or still breaching the FFP’s after the decision against City recently?

    Anyways this was supposed to be the transfer window when the prices finally boiled down but PSG with Icardi have already set a bad predicament.

    Coyle and Matt have been regular for the u23s and are good prospects is what I have learned through my lil scouting . And it only seems rational to promote some youth players as the injury risks are going to be higher and short absences due to muscular injuries and nibbles are going to hit the clubs more often than not.

    George Lewis looks more like a signing to keep the sponsors happy. Smart move imo.
    Need to do more of these but with better players of Low ranked ( In Fifa terms) countries.
    Like in Asian , African and some South American countries.
    This will exponentially increase our revenue and fanbase.
    Look at Salah at Liverpool. The whole of Egypt suddenly supports Liverpool as their 1st or 2nd favourite teams.
    Kubo at Madrid will have the same effect imo.

  8. Dissenter

    Unai
    Do you think the US should be pulling out of the WHO during a global pandemic?
    Do you always take your ball and run off home when things don’t go your way?

    I ask because China has every right to exact some nuanced treatment from the WHO same way the west used to dominate the international economic order. The US owned the world bank while the EU dominated the IMF…the rest of the world were spectators. Guess what, the Chinese have massive influence and they aren’t afraid to use it. I see nothing working with that.

    Trump was praising the WHO and Xi publicly in March, now he’s looking for a scapegoat to hide his buffoonery.
    What he’s doing is ceding the stage to China and is fast making America irrelevant and untrustworthy.

  9. China1

    Gunner 2 years ago

    Fairly used gunner I think you’re taking my wording too literally re sympathy. I am using it as a synonym for ‘supporting the cause’, even if it’s not a good synonym for this

    All lives are equal unless we’re gonna get into child murdering pedos or whatever where I suddenly become less liberal about life lol.

    With all the media spotlight on this case and a big swell of public support in the media behind this, this was a good opportunity to keep a very focused narrative on the issue at hand. Widespread looting has now completely muddied the water so that the message which counts is having to literally compete with several completely different and some explicitly conflicting narratives. That’s a terrible shame. People who might have been open about seeing this for what it really was may now be watching scenes of burning corner shops and saying ‘well this is why the police get heavy handed more often with minorities’

    For progress to be made I think we need a far more controlled and focused narrative.

    Well don’t get me wrong maybe this will get progress but I doubt it as it’s turned into an absolute clusterfuck

  10. Tom

    Un
    Dude, I’d take the UN North Korea experts Trump policy evaluation over your plumbers local any day.

  11. Marko

    Whatever happened to the broke club theory – that now clubs will be doing massive trade by barter ?

    Oil rich and stupid club PSG got Icardi for 45 million when previously Inter had been looking for something like 70 million and upwards. Sign of what’s to come

  12. Dissenter

    Taking a knee is the most respectful manner of expressing dissent.
    You take a knee to propose to the person you want to spend your life with, you take a knee to show respect….but you can’t do that to protest police brutality.
    When you talk and they don’t listen…..you shout
    When you tell and they don’t listen….you march
    When you march and they don’t listen… people throw stones

    The difference now is that it’s a mass movement that’s multi-racial because most people know there’s a problem. It’s hard for millennials to channel frustrations constructively besides blogging of course. They just don’t trust that the system will change itself.

  13. Tom

    Dissenter
    Trump pulling out of WHO is purely a political ploy to divert attention from his covid19 failures.
    100$ sys he’ll rejoin after elections ( if he wins) under pretenses he will have extracted concessions.

  14. Marko

    I highly doubt George Lewis is going to be a signing akin to Kubo or Salah one that’s going to get shirts selling. Born in Rwanda and spent his career in the lower leagues of Norwegian football doesn’t really come across as a hot sell.

  15. Dissenter

    Marc
    That trade by barter theory was crap to begin with.
    You lot didn’t consider the fact that even in a depressed housing market, people don’t decide to trade their houses in with swaps.
    There will be price depression but the transfer window will still be with fees. The club will sell that player for a lower price and use it to pursue the replacement player in a depressed market.
    Clubs have to sell what’s not necessary because most will be financially stretched.
    The player swap thing was bonkers. This memo is to you, Pedro, Emirates and all the protagonist of the theory.

  16. Marko

    That trade by barter theory was crap to begin with.
    You lot didn’t consider the fact that even in a depressed housing market, people don’t decide to trade their houses in with swaps.

    What are you talking about honestly. We’re not talking about houses and there’s a whole league (serie A) who show every year that trades/swaps/loan can and do occur.

  17. Dissenter

    China1
    On that looting point, I wholly agree.
    It muddies the water and makes the clear argument less clear.
    There’s a theory here that some of the damage in Minnesota was done by undercover cops.
    Sounds crazy but that’s how disconnected policing has been in America. They slowly lost the trust of some communities here.

  18. Marc

    “There’s a theory here that some of the damage in Minnesota was done by undercover cops.”

    Does that come with a tin foil hat or do you have to make one yourself?

  19. Marko

    Marc he’s gone the wrong full stop that lad. I dunno what he’s trying to do he always wants to go against the grain which is fine but using the Icardi transfer as an example that things won’t change much and swaps and barter are going to be ridiculous in the forth coming transfer window is silly. Lots of clubs are going to have to go down that route now. That’s not to say that money still won’t be spent

  20. Dissenter

    Marc
    PSG could have offered a host of players for swaps to get Icardi
    Inter could have listen to offers involving several players to swap for Icardi

    Guess what, it didn’t happen because it’s impractical

    Your deduction from a depressed market was that clubs will engage in trade by barter instead of trusting that the market will adjust itself to lower cost of transfers.

    Icardi would have gone for more than that pre-COVID 19. The market is adjusted to lower fees not trade by barter.

    Your player swap theory is already Lola-sing as we speak.

  21. Dissenter

    Marc
    You’re clutching at straws
    Did you read what I wrote after I mentioned the conspiracy theory. They trailed the masked and hooded guy who broke the first windows in Minnesota- he walked into a police presence and his ex-GF confirmed it was him with a tattooe.
    I also said the fact that people are willing to be,wife it shows how much the police are despised by some.

    Stop feigning faux outrage- read the entire comment.

  22. Marko

    Your player swap theory is already Lola-sing as we speak.

    Genuine question but are you a silly person? Have you only just started to watch football? There’s swap deals happening every transfer window you only have to have a basic knowledge of Italian football to know that. Christ Man City done one last season with Danilo and Cancelo.

  23. China1

    The one way this clusterfuck could work out well for minorities is that trump is battling the entire universe on several fronts as his whole house is on fire lol

    Right now you can see certain media outlets still holding off from talking of rioting and going with the purer sounding protester wording specifically because this is now a very easy stick to beat trump with as a blatantly racist leader.

    Democrats will be looking at this as risky but an opportunity for points scoring imo. I suspect they don’t care that much about the actual problems at hand but the opportunists out there will seize the moment to inflict any more misery they can on trump

    And I’ve no sympathy for the cunt. He’s been asking for this, seriously

    I saw an interesting article that explains the n1 reason why this keeps happening is because police are afforded legal immunity for the vast majority of crimes they commit under certain circumstances. I don’t know the details but it was an interesting read – tackle that law and suddenly you’d have accountability and with accountability comes self reflection, change and hopefully progress

  24. China1

    Un na do you honestly hand on heart believe trump cares about anyone but himself?

    He literally makes every single sentence in every single conversation on every single topic about him

    Whether or not you agree with any of his policies, you can’t seriously believe the guy has sufficient empathy for others to care about any sort of bigger picture than his own ego, surely?

  25. Marc

    Dissenter

    I think you’ve gone completely mad – you’re assigning comments to people who didn’t make them and referencing parts of comments you haven’t made.

  26. Fairly Used Gunner

    Tom
    Kneeling at the national anthem is definitely too strong a statement.

    No. It’s not. It’s called civil disobedience. And it’s a strategic nonviolent form of appealing to the conscience of the nation. Nonviolent forms of protest are never too strong a statement, throwing Molotov cocktails is. Boycotting, peace march, kneeling are examples of such nonviolent forms of resistance.

  27. Marko

    Why do you think so much funding from the likes of Soros is being poured into divisive groups such as Antifa, Isis and BLM?

    The sheer stupidity of this comment should be enough for people to stop engaging with a clear imbecile. Don’t waste your time folks stop flooding the comments section responding to a clear mentally handicapped person. Your day will be the better for it

  28. R.S.P.C.Arsenal

    We well n truly had our pants pulled down signing Luis …

    Just shows people running the club don’t know luck all about football..

    I’m done with club.

  29. China1

    Un yeah I’d be fine with that but I can’t see what you’re seeing because there’s very little rhyme or reason to anything he says as he pivots 180 in a matter of days on 95% of his issues

    I actually give him full credit for walking away from the transatlantic and pacific partnership plans, but if they weren’t Obama’s plans he wouldn’t have hated them. If they’d never been proposed and were suggested to him now he’d be like THATS A HUUGE BIGLY GOOD IDEA. I’m 100% sure on that

    Just look at his blaming Obama for the lack of preparedness for a pandemic. It’s literally the most bizarre twilight zone nonsense imaginable

  30. Marko

    Hector Bellerin will not commit his long-term future to Arsenal until there is an improvement on the club’s current Premier League position, according to ESPN.

    Hmmm on the one hand good for him having ambition but on the other hand the absolute cheek given he’s a bit shite

  31. Ishola70

    Pierre

    “David Luiz is widely held to have been important to Arsenal’s improved form under Arteta, drawing praise from the head coach for his commitment in January. But there are understood to be mixed views on the Brazilian among Arteta’s coaching staff, including suggestions that his influence in the dressing room is not always wielded positively.”

    https://www.theguardian.com/football/2020/may/27/david-luiz-arsenal-future-football-finances-contract-expires-coronavirus

    Stating that Luiz has been Arsenal’s best defender for the last few months is like saying that Xhaka is Arsenal’s best midfielder. They are both not good enough if Arsenal want to become a really serious side again.

    There are always question marks about the Luiz character.

    I don’t buy for one minute that Luiz was poor under Emery because of just Emery himself. It looks like that was yet another case of Luiz being the problem himself and don’t think he would not have become a problem yet again for Arteta once the initial honeymoon period is over for Arteta.

    Now he has his “dream move” to Benfica as a possibility.

    Good riddance I say even though it is very concerning that Arsenal got involved in the Luiz deal in the first place.

  32. Marc

    Why are we suddenly accepting that Luiz was on £200k per week when every reasonable report had him on £120 – £125k per week?

  33. Terraloon

    Dissenter

    Inter dropped their initial agreed price.

    I doubt that they will be bringing in any new forwards although it’s remotely possible they will bring in Sánchez.

    My guess is that as per Contes wishes they will buy Moses albeit for a sum below the agreed £10 million likewise they will probably either buy or loan Emerson from Chelsea.

    Chelsea’s loan army is going to reap them handsome rewards in all this. From. Morata to Moses and a player I never knew was Chelsea’s player who Atlanta have agreed to buy following his loan for £14 million add to that they have it seems accepted a settlement to waive their right to buy back a player who is on loan at a club I have never heard much about.

    Why oh why can’t Arsenal operate in such a way?

  34. Marko

    I think people are reading way way way too much into the negatives surrounding the Luiz deal. Not ideal in the first place sure but he was an experienced defender replacing another (Koscielny) and one who we thankfully didn’t saddle ourselves with long term and were smart to offer a short deal with the potential at reduced terms for the second season. The real outrage/disappointment that conveniently gets overlooked should be why in the previous summer under Sven did we sign the likes of Sokratis and Litchsteiner when the likes of Diallo and Soyuncu among others were moving?

  35. CG

    Josh Kroenke June 2019.

    “”””It’s no secret that we have a Champions League wage bill on a Europa League budget right now.””””””

    12 months later.
    June 2020

    It comes to light, Arsenal have paid circa £24 million for David Luiz for his 25 games.

    Taking us for fools for a decade.

  36. Marko

    We’ve also just paid him a year or so’s salary whilst he was out injured.

    Marc shush apparently he’s captain material and we’re lucky to have him.

    No but seriously I’d bin him as soon as possible. Despite never even playing for us and being a bit average I’d consider keeping Cedric over Bellerin cause we need a new starting RB imo have needed an upgrade for a number of years honestly

  37. Fairly Used Gunner

    China

    You need to understand that you can’t beat someone and choose how they should cry. A people who has no where to run to will always find a will to fight back. That’s the option the blacks chose and they don’t care about any eventuality(which is always the usual retorting to type by the white).

  38. Terraloon

    Marc

    I wouldn’t be at all surprised if Luiz had already received a decent signing on fee and probably will get a loyalty bonus
    As for his wages again the estimated wages came from the same reports that led us to believe he was signed on a confirmed two year deal
    Either way , and this isn’t without hindsight, he will turn out to be an extremely expensive signing.
    He is being let go because he can be and as mad as it may be I suspect that more would be told goodbye if they could irrespective of their potential or indeed value.
    The clubs that now seem in the market for PEA have just reduced by one. Good news ?

  39. Marc

    Marko

    I wouldn’t be surprised if this isn’t Bellerin making it look like he want’s out before he’s told you’re second choice / surplus to requirements.

  40. China1

    Would be glad to see the back of Bellerin. Not a great defender. Not a great attacker. Lost a yard of pace. What’s his value to us anyway?

    If psg have bought Icardi I assume they’re not buying auba which means the number of realistic options for him has now fallen to ??? Barca (doubtful), real (possible), probably no one in England. That leaves Bayern (not happening) and just a couple left in Italy. I wonder if he’ll end up staying even if he wants to go and we want to sell…

    That would certainly be an interesting outcome

  41. Marc

    Terraloon

    I’m highly cynical about anything that appears in the media / internet regarding signings / transfers etc. Most of the time we have to put up with some click bait around the football – right now that’s all they’ve got.

  42. Marko

    Why are we suddenly accepting that Luiz was on £200k per week when every reasonable report had him on £120 – £125k per week?

    Narrative my friend. When you hear people talking about him costing 20 million including wages and everything and they bring up a player going for a transfer fee no wages of 23 million (Diallo actually went for closer to 30) that we could have got you know you’re not in an honest conversation.

  43. Marc

    Marko

    That’s my exact point – why haven’t the media applied the same “conditions” to the Sanchez deal at ManU? Fuck know’s what that tops out at.

  44. Marko

    I wouldn’t be surprised if this isn’t Bellerin making it look like he want’s out before he’s told you’re second choice / surplus to requirements.

    Fingers crossed. I’d love to see him used in some kind of swap somewhere. No lie I’d honestly consider swapping him and Lacazette for Partey.

  45. Pedro

    Marc, I had Luiz down as 200k a week months ago… and the reason people are talking about it today is Amy Lawrence. The reason Marko is saying its narrative is because he argued relentlessly my numbers were wrong.

    I hope Marc, you are starting to see why I don’t like Raul.

  46. Marc

    Pedro

    Premier League clubs have to publish what they pay to agents – our last published amount was £11.1 million – less than the Spud’s and less than a million more than Bournemouth

    https://talksport.com/football/522499/liverpool-paid-agent-fees-premier-league-clubs/

    If you are right then when the next round of numbers come out bearing in mind the amount of business we did last summer we’re going to see that Arsenal have paid out a fortune and considerably more than £10 or so million.

    We’ll see.

  47. Sid

    Beta males feel threatened by alpha types like Dozi, Luiz, Pepe they prefer meek lambs like Xhakalson, Ozil, Mustafinovs who know their limitations and survive through kissing behind
    It wash rinse repeat once again

    Im telling you for free!

  48. Pedro

    Un, you have to take your unsavory politics elsewhere. No one needs to be reading your hypocrisy on here today.

  49. Marko

    The reason Marko is saying its narrative is because he argued relentlessly my numbers were wrong.

    I mentioned it purely because you brought up wages signing on fee agent fees and the transfer fee when discussing Luiz but when discussing an alternative in Diallo you only cited his transfer fee which was wrong because he went for more than 23 million. Besides it was reported to have been Akanji and not Diallo that we were interested in signing around the same time. Again where was the outrage when Sven was signing Sokratis and Litchsteiner when other more attractive defenders were moving.

  50. Terraloon

    Marko

    Have you ever seen Cédric play ?

    I am not saying he is a terrible player but he really isn’t the type of talent Arsenal should be looking at .

    Focus on this since January 2019 he has played 4 games. Since August 2019 none.

    This is a player that couldn’t get into Southamptons team

  51. Sid

    scorched-earth policy
    Essentially what happens is that a community targeted for takeover does everything it can reasonably do to make itself unattractive, hopefully discouraging the potential acquirer from continuing the takeover attempt.✊

    Im telling you for free!

  52. Marko

    Terraloon not a big fan of Cedric at all but a starting RB is of more concern than a back up RB and the potential to get rid of Bellerin and AMN and bring in a new first choice RB would be fantastic imo

  53. Pedro

    Marko, I had him down on 200k a week, now Lawrence has confirmed it. I don’t get my info from Google like you do.

  54. Marc

    Signings whilst Mislintat was Head of Recruitment.

    Auba – Success (older & Dortmund)
    Miki – Failure (older & Ex Dortmund)
    Mavorpanos – Can’t stay fit – failure but could potentially come good.
    Torreira – Failure (written off by all & sundry as too short / not physical enough)
    Leno – Success
    Sokratis – Failure (old and Dortmund)
    Guendozi – Failure (whilst some fans are willing to give him time we all know you’re not allowed to do that)
    Lichtsteiner – Failure (older than God and did not have the fitness to play in the PL).

    Meanwhile Dortmund still seem to be signing exciting young players long after Mislintat left.

    That’s a piss poor record for a guy who’s supposed to be a genius – love to see how this will be turned into Sanllehi’s fault.

  55. CG

    TY&GN

    “”””@CG Yep, as I said yesterday mate. Champagne prices, babycham performances from top to bottom””””

    Nothing changes.
    Nothing will change.

    If KSE can bring a brilliant manager like Wenger down it will eat up and chew out lesser lights like Arteta.

    No one will be able to achieve success under KSE.

    Because they continually condone mediocrity on the pitch and mediocrity off it.

    Will they sack Raul for this Luiz farce or will they give him even more responsibility?

  56. Pedro

    Marc, actually, to be fair, you were the Google merchant on David Luiz being a cost-neutral signing. I hope you’ve taken down your Raul post.

  57. Marc

    Pedro

    “Marc, that was a fee right? £2m?”

    Yeah that was the loan fee to Barca but I thought we also paid two hundred trillion to an agent?

  58. Marko

    Marko, I had him down on 200k a week, now Lawrence has confirmed it. I don’t get my info from Google like you do.

    You got that Athletic article delivered via carrier pigeon I suppose or maybe seen it engraved in marble. Like I said a lot of sites have him on 125,000 a week it depends on the narrative you want to push. Not a great deal at the end of the day but considering that he replaced Koscielny and his contact is up soon it’s not as bad as other signings made for example Litchsteiner and Sokratis.

  59. Marc

    Pedro

    No I said we sold Kos for £5 million and bought Luiz for £8 million so almost neutral – I’m still skeptical about the £200k in wages and let’s see the new figures for agent payments when they come out.

  60. Pedro

    Marc, the argument isn’t about Sven’s record, it’s about why Sven left. Deals like that David Luiz one. Control by super agents. Bad decisions like Emery because of a whisper in the ear.

    There’s a huge difference between doing things properly, but making bad judgements. The best football outcome is always at core and you have a paper trail to set out why you made the decision.

    That’s not the same with contacts. It’s the fee, the man, the favor.

  61. Pedro

    I wouldn’t be skeptical Marc, I’ve heard that the deal for Luiz was a disgrace from people at the club since it happened.

    The deal wasn’t cost-neutral by a long shot. I know you believe in the allure of Unai Emery’s coaching, but it’s super naive to think David Luiz jumped ship to Arsenal for the exact same money he was on at Chelsea (on one year deal as well)

  62. Marko

    Marc, the argument isn’t about Sven’s record, it’s about why Sven left. Deals like that David Luiz one…That’s not the same with contacts. It’s the fee, the man, the favor.

    Kind of all over the place when you look at some of the signings Sven made. Prior working relationship with some presumably there’s a relationship with their agents. Can’t imagine the data analysis behind Sokratis and Litchsteiner was good but I dunno I only get my news through Google

  63. Marc

    Pedro

    Right in transfer fees Luiz cost us £3 million for PL proven experienced defender – £3 million at the time was a drop in the ocean as far as fees go.

    “but it’s super naive to think David Luiz jumped ship to Arsenal for the exact same money he was on at Chelsea (on one year deal as well)”

    He wanted to stay in London, has a young family and I believe also owns a restaurant in London. Fat Frank had made it clear he didn’t want him – why wouldn’t Luiz move for the same money? The one year deal thing is what I find strange and have said so. Haven’t you said he was cozying up to Arteta and was keen to do his coaching badges with the club in a years time?

    Pedro – I really think you have a blind spot when it comes to Sanllehi.

    When the next set of numbers on how much we’ve paid to agents comes out what do you think would be an acceptable sum?

  64. izzo

    Anyone who has their head stuck up Trump’s ass shouldn’t be worth engaging with be it politics or otherwise. This Un naa character is a pathetic little dirty troll that constantly pollutes this blog spewing support for a racist piece of shit garbage human. FUCK YOU!!!

  65. Pedro

    Marc, when you were questioning my info way back when, you asked for back up. Now I have it. You are still not convinced. I think you have a soft spot for Raul… as I’ve said time and time again, you’ll be wrong on him.

  66. Marc

    Pedro

    You’ve previously used Wolves as an example of “agents” running clubs.

    If that’s the case why do Wolves appear 4th from bottom on the last set of fees paid to agents?

  67. Marko

    wrote he was on 200k a week in December and you argued against it.

    Ahead of the curve. I was never behind the signing so I doubt I was arguing such a trivial matter in December but I argue the narrative now considering that others report it lower he’s likely to be gone or kept on at lower wages for just another season meanwhile Sven signing Sokratis is going into his third and final season unless we can sell and less said about Litchsteiner the better

  68. Valentin

    You know the end of the world is near when Marko seems to be the one person making sane comments.

  69. Valentin

    China1,

    I think that I read the same article.
    The same thing about the speed of charging police officer Vs charging a rich guy Vs charging a random poor guy.
    Police officers as part of their union bargaining power have extracted delay in interrogation. Delay that are not afforded to quidam.
    Delay in being interrogated lead to delay in being charged. So less emotion but more political interference can take place.
    Clearly Chauvin was charged with 3rd degree murder instead of 1st degree murder because they thought that would be enough to calm the population while keeping the police on board. Wrong calculation.

  70. Pedro

    Marko, you have to focus on the debate at hand.

    David luiz is on 200k a week.

    Marko > No he is not

    Amy Lawrence confirms Le Grove story.

    You want to start a seperate thread on Sven, happy to have that debate with you. But for now, I will bask in the W.

    Valentin, I know right. There is something very wrong with your moral compass if you can approve of DTs conduct this week.

  71. Marko

    I know you believe in the allure of Unai Emery’s coaching, but it’s super naive to think David Luiz jumped ship to Arsenal for the exact same money he was on at Chelsea

    Kind of conveniently leaving out the part where he fell out with Lampard and wouldn’t be playing any games had he stayed at Chelsea. Again it’s a shame because I don’t think the Luiz signing was good at all and it looks like I’m sticking up for it but it’s dishonest to pick apart that signing while ignoring the likes of Sokratis because you have a hard on for someone in particular. Not infallible btw in case people think I’m enamored by Raul I think he’s making a similar although less expensive mistake with Pablo Mari who’s got little to no experience in European football and is likely to be signed by us for 10 times what Flamengo paid for him mere months ago. Raul did give us Saliba though and we’ll be thankful for that in the future I guarantee you that. Huge prospect who we’ll likely be able to sell for a massive fee in the future for

  72. Marc

    Valentin

    They haven’t charged the police officer with 1st degree murder because it wasn’t premeditated.

    Whether the officer’s behavior is right or wrong, justified or a crime it was not premeditated murder.

  73. Marko

    Plus it’s worth pointing out that the likes of Amy Lawrence and David Ornstein and frankly a lot of football writers deal in speculation especially when it comes finances and wages because a person never truly knows what’s in a player’s contract. There could be various clauses and this and that I mean christ everyone thought he was on a two year contract up until a week ago and now all of a sudden these people know exactly what he earns for certain?

  74. China1

    Fairly I don’t think that comment can apply to me because I don’t beat blacks then choose how they cry

    I have two cousins who are mixed race but look very much black. As someone who also has an Asian wife and mixed race kid as well, it would be pretty bonkers if I was racist towards any race

    But looting and burning down your local corner shop (especially one run by a black guy lol) is neither a useful way to get progress nor a reasonable thing to do. Racists are racists because they believe other races are inferior – if they see angry black people setting fire to their neighbors car do you think they go ah now I get why we should all be treated equally! No, they go ‘typical aggressive black (curse word)’. The only outcome is the neighbors car got torched and racial inequality is even further dug in.

    Most of the people who have helped push race relations forwards in the UK are positive role models who paved the foundations to a more diverse and overall tolerant society. It’s those guys who take us forward, not the guy with the balaclava and a baseball bat smashing up his local petrol station because of something the petrol station owner probably had zero to do with

  75. Marko

    You know the end of the world is near when Marko seems to be the one person making sane comments.

    The end of the world is clearly just around the corner.

    WE we missed our chance last summer his value has already blown up

  76. Terraloon

    Marc

    Sorry but the difference between £8 million and £5 million is hardly cost neutral.

    As for wages Kos was said to be on £90 k a week Luiz anything from £125-£200k a week

    Not quite sure what the relationships was between Luiz and Lampard but Luiz hadn’t played one game under his new two year contract.

    It’s possible that like the one he had at Chelsea his Arsenal deal may have been a one year with an option but all the reports at the time and too agree backed by the evidence suggests that that their two window transfer ban resulted in Chelsea breaking their own rule re contracts offered for over 30 year olds just as they had done when they signed Giroud

    No matter which way this is looked at if he does indeed leave he will have cost many hundreds of thousands for each game played.

  77. WengerEagle

    Marko

    He could still be bought for a sane fee this summer, his overall production is only starting to hit top levels in the last couple of months, a full season of this kind of end product and forget it.

    Gladbach are a selling club too, no way they turn down a decent bid for him if they miss out on CL.

  78. Valentin

    Marc,

    Murder with 1st degree does not necessarily require intend to commit murder. It requires intend to commit a crime.
    He deliberately put his knee on somebody neck when that person is already in handcuffs. That’s deliberate assault, a felony aggravated by the fact that it is committed by somebody with authority.

    If somebody dies during the commission of a felony, then it is automatically a felony murder. In most states felony murder result in 1st degree murder charge.

  79. Marko

    Thuram was someone we should have taken a punt on last summer for sure. Still missing out on these types of signings unfortunately still a little trepiditious though hopefully we improve in that regards with the Martinelli signing as a sign of things to come.

  80. CG

    PedRo

    “””I’ve heard that the deal for Luiz was a disgrace from people at the club since it happened.”””””

    So you will be in full agreement with me-that he must never play for Arsenal again.

    Arteta ( surely to goodness) must know it’s the perfect time to cut Luiz loose.

    Surely. He will now move on from Luiz.

  81. Marc

    Terraloon

    A £3 million transfer fee for a PL proven player is or at least was peanuts. My opinion of the Luiz deal was always that is was forced on us because of Kos’s behavior.

    We can go round and round all day on agent fees and wages – let’s see how much we paid out to agents last summer and in Jan when the numbers are released.

    If Pedro’s right it’ll be astronomical and very likely in excess of £30 million.

  82. Pedro

    Marc, 24m on a 33 year for one year will look atrocious regardless of the agent fee.

    We should have signed someone younger. Club had options. We went for the favor

  83. Marc

    Pedro

    I don’t have a problem with saying spending an £8 million fee on a 1 year deal is bad business. I have a problem with saying Luiz cost £24 million and player “X” was available for £20 million when that’s a straight fee without wages etc etc etc.

    Apply the same measures when comparing deals.

  84. Ishola70

    Arsenal had to go into the market because of the departure of Koscielny but I don’t understand the narrative that this player had to be of the same kind as Koscielny that being an older player and experienced. Another characteristic that they share is as well as being older experienced players they are both past their best, past their prime.

    Arsenal had a whole market to look at for a Koscielny replacement and they went for an older player past his best who has negative baggage attributed to him.

    That’s a poor decision and the only explanation is that it went through because of the influence of an agent who the club are only to willing to play along with.

  85. CG

    PedRo

    “””””Marc, 24m on a 33 year for one year will look atrocious regardless of the agent fee.”””””””

    If that ain’t a sackable offence- nothing is.

    ps, Have we paid off Emery and his 9 goons yet?
    Another £7 million wasted.

    I thought this Hussey was the Contracts King?
    Another pillock on the payroll!

  86. Valentin

    Marc,

    Please remind me of the discussion that we had about Koscielny last summer.

    My point was that we should sell him as quickly as possible, so we can then concentrate on getting a young left footed replacement CB.

    You wanted to keep him to teach a lesson and let him rot in the reserve. In the end as I predicted we did sell him anyway. Except that we did not sold him on our own time table.

    When we agreed to let him go most of the other alternative had disappeared. We were left with a bad options pushed by agents.

    Before that Jean-Clair Todibo was available on loan from Barcelona. Evan N’Dicka was available for £20 millions.

    You and Marko were adamant that I was wrong about those. And now there are rumours that Arsenal is interested in them for next season. So basically Raul lost one year and £24 millions on a bad deal.

  87. CG

    Well said Ishola

    Anyone defending this deal are in total denial.

    The worst deal ever in English soccer- bar none.

    Stinks.

  88. Marc

    ” and the only explanation is that it went through because of the influence of an agent who the club are only to willing to play along with.”

    No it’s not the only explanation.

    Can someone please point out the players in the current squad who can show any sort of experience that can be combined with having a positive influence in the dressing room.

  89. Marko

    Again you can’t trust the numbers it was 20 million now it’s 24 million. No one’s not saying that it was ever a smart deal to begin with. But again I can’t stress enough why a deal like Sokratis (15 million transfer fee 90,000 plus a week on a 3 year contract not including agent fees) should be totally dismissed because that summer specifically there were better more obvious options that Sven missed out on. Last summer after the money we spent and the fact that we left it late yet again or put all our eggs in the Upamecano basket we then became desperate and got Luiz. Bad deal sure but I think they were gambling on possibly getting champions league to justify such a deal and to be fair if we manage it still the Luiz deal will be forgotten

  90. Ishola70

    Marc

    “Can someone please point out the players in the current squad who can show any sort of experience that can be combined with having a positive influence in the dressing room.”

    Well numerous wrongs don’t make a right.

    Arsenal decided to bring in David Luiz the man with the questionable character to a squad that most realise lack real leadership. Again a bad move.

    I am not in the least surprised that I saw an article citing that Arsenal backroom staff found Luiz influence in the dressing room questionable.

  91. Marko

    That’s a poor decision and the only explanation is that it went through because of the influence of an agent who the club are only to willing to play along with.

    Went through the wrong agent imo should have gone through Jorge Mendes and we might have gotten Ruben Dias for example

  92. Marc

    Valentin

    You’re lying again.

    You wanted to let Kos go on a free – I said no, sell him yes but only if we can’t get the fee we wanted if not then let him rot in the reserves to demonstrate that going on strike will not get you what you want. Our whole argument during this period was about your willingness to surrender and appear weak. Remember the “cheese eating surrender monkey” comment I made that you took a ridiculous amount of offence to when it’s a joke from the Simpsons?

    “Before that Jean-Clair Todibo was available on loan from Barcelona. Evan N’Dicka was available for £20 millions.You and Marko were adamant that I was wrong about those”

    I don’t know anything about either of those players so wouldn’t have commented either way. My general position on new players coming in is to see how they get on before either writing them off or anointing them as the new messiah.

  93. Marc

    Ishola

    “This might sting Arteta, he seemed to connect with the player. Luiz has been a real leader at the club during a messy time. He’s a behind the scenes banter machine, he’s been towering on the pitch at times, and he seems very bought into the vision. Key thing: He’s a legend. He’s a good learning instrument for the young players. He’s a winner.”

    Guess who wrote that about Luiz a handful of days ago?

  94. Emiratesstroller

    There is a lot of pessimism expressed on Le Grove but rather like Pedro I am reasonably optimistic about the future.

    Everyone knows that we had a lot of deadwood at the club. Last season we offloaded 11 players and I suspect that 6-8 more will leave this summer.

    Frankly I am not too bothered if Luiz, Sokratis, Mkhitaryan and Lacazette leave
    this summer. They are replaceable and that will cut at least £35 million from
    our wage bill without impacting on the performance of the team.

    We need to move on and stop looking at the past or the mistakes made by the
    management who have left the club.

    Arsenal despite all the negativity is still financially one of the strongest clubs
    in European Football.

    If you want to see underlying problems at other clubs in EPL I suggest you take a look at Man Utd, Chelsea and Spurs.

    Man Utd according the last accounts employ over 900 staff [excluding casual
    labour on match days] and their Debt rose to over £500 million.

    Chelsea have loans of over £1 billion owing presumably to Abromavich. No-one can be certain that he will continue to pump more money into the club.

    Spurs have taken on a huge financial commitment on their new stadium and
    one suspects that they will not qualify this Summer for Champions League.

    The finances of ALL Clubs in World Football without exception are going to
    be impacted by what is going on. No-one discusses the impact on the finances
    of a lot of club sponsors or for that matter broadcasting revenues.

    What is clear at the moment is that Arsenal are looking at their overall finances and prepared to take some pain in the short term in order to put them right.

    I suspect that a lot of other clubs will be in the same boat.

  95. Marc

    “We had someone from Dortmund that the club scouts suggested as a replacement for Kos.”

    So nothing to do with Sven then?

  96. Marko

    You and Marko were adamant that I was wrong about those. And now there are rumours that Arsenal is interested in them for next season. So basically Raul lost one year and £24 millions on a bad deal.

    I’m actually very glad that you brought that up because you are again to fit a narrative conveniently reimagining a timeline to fit your argument. It’s now why didn’t Raul sign Todibo or N’dicka last summer instead of Luiz for 20 odd million and not why did Sven sign Sokratis for 15 million in the summer of 2018 and not N’dicka who moved that summer for 5 million to Frankfurt or Todibo who moved to Barcelona 6 months later for less than a million.

  97. Ishola70

    Marc

    Luiz has downed tools far too many times in his career to be claimed as a great leader of a team. On the contrary.

    We must remember that Luiz was in early stages under Arteta.

    His history suggests he would have caused problems for Arteta further down the line just like he has others.

    I don’t buy him at all.

    He is just like Xhaka.

    When the going gets really tough he will go missing just like our Swiss midfielder.

    Over an extended time his questionable character emerges.

    Poor signing.

  98. Valentin

    Marc,

    Go and read your own comment of last year.
    And then see who is lying.
    You still want to keep that pretence that Arsenal playing tough boss and letting Koscielny rot in the reserve was going to happen.
    Anybody could see that was self defeating. I even used WestHam reaction to Arnautovic tantrum as a counter example.
    You were wrong then and still wrong today.
    You just have been found out and don’t like it. So you insult me. The so called it’s just banter routine of racist and cretin does not work. The only reason why you kept using that so called Simpson joke is because you knew I was French and black.
    So respectfully fuck off.

  99. Pedro

    ‘ Luiz has downed tools far too many times in his career to be claimed as a great leader of a team. On the contrary.’

    Amen to this.

    Though I will say, he has been a good leader.

  100. Emiratesstroller

    Marc

    You are right!!! Just trying to reinforce some positivity expressed by Pedro.

    Sadly there are only a small number of posters who manage to express something positive to say about the club. It is all doom and gloom.

  101. Marc

    Emirates

    I’m feeling confident about the future – things are going to be difficult for a period but as you kept trying to point out this will apply to all clubs.

    My biggest concern at the moment is Saka’s contract – get that done and I’m happy. A CL place and FA Cup win is on the way!

  102. Ishola70

    Yes Marc

    Pedro was misguided in his views on Luiz at the time of that quote and I remember there were plenty of posters picking him up on that at the time he wrote those things about Luiz. Looking for positivity more than likely but barking up the wrong tree in this particular instance.

    Questionable character. Always has been the case with Luiz.

  103. Marko

    The worst deal ever in English soccer- bar none.

    I have Mustafi at 36 million transfer fee and wages of 18 million over 4 years being much worse. Especially considering that he’s got a year to run on his contract while Luiz could leave still. Thanks Arsene

  104. Marc

    Valentin

    The reference is in no way aimed at black individuals – If I call a Northerner a “fucking northern monkey” it has nothing to do with skin colour.

    You’re taking offence at something that isn’t there in that respect.

  105. Marc

    Valentin

    Kos wanted out on a free we got £5 million – you wanted to let him go on a free.

    I was right and it’s you who can’t handle it. You have an issue with mis speaking and then refusing to admit it even when your comments are copy and pasted to show you where you said something you deny.

  106. GunnerDNA

    “I’m actually very glad that you brought that up because you are again to fit a narrative conveniently reimagining a timeline to fit your argument. It’s now why didn’t Raul sign Todibo or N’dicka last summer instead of Luiz for 20 odd million and not why did Sven sign Sokratis for 15 million in the summer of 2018 and not N’dicka who moved that summer for 5 million to Frankfurt or Todibo who moved to Barcelona 6 months later for less than a million”

    You hit the nail in the head Marko!
    Anything to make the people who hired Emery looks bad, he will do/say it. I don’t know why people can’t see this dude is agenda driven. “I have contacts” is the new phrase when you want to change people line of thought 🤦🏽‍♂️

  107. Ishola70

    Marc
    “It was 4 days ago!”

    And before that.

    But he knows that others as well as myself have disagreed with him on some of his previous views on Luiz.

  108. Marko

    The only reason why you kept using that so called Simpson joke is because you knew I was French and black.

    I dunno about Marc but for me this is the first time I’ve seen you write anything about your ethnicity. The Simpsons thing wasn’t in any shape or form meant as a racist insult you need to get over it it’s from a cartoon for kids ffs

  109. Marc

    Marko

    It was taking the piss out of the French – who in my opinion are or at least should be big enough to deal with it.

    I’m sure the French have taken the piss out of the English at some point in history.

  110. Emiratesstroller

    Sometimes in business you need to take a hit in your finances to put the house in order.

    In the 1980s there was a 2 years recession in the housing market and I took a
    substantial hit on the flat I owned to buy a house. The house is worth significantly more than what the flat would have been.

    The same applies to football. A lot of clubs have on their books what looks like
    valuable playing assets. In reality they are in the current market and impending recession worthless and costing a lot of money to maintain.

    The art is to get them off the books and reduce the cost of their wages and recruit players who are going to have better potential and cost you a lot less.

  111. Marc

    Marko

    The English invented everything – it’s why everyone hates us because we’re so amazing.

    It can’t be easy for the French to constantly gaze across the channel and see perfection!

  112. That Dreamcast Kid

    we are already on our way to trim the fat so let it be then I thought in terms of experience of youth the squad is quite balanced it’s just in terms of positional prowess that we lack balance

    already adding to defense now more on midfield like some said the outgoings are bigger these days so the squad is constantly changing in personalities and chemistry within 6 months (if you’re going to be generous)

  113. China1

    Speaking of inventions I had to run a cultural event at work for an afternoon last year and decided to introduce a bit about English food, history, geography, sports, famous people, music and inventions

    I searched online to check what was British and Marc you are not far wrong haha. The list of major inventions was practically endless! Was quite proud to see so many world changing things coming off that little old island

    Damn, now I miss home… 🙁

  114. Marko

    Of course they’re credited with inventing a lot they took over half the globe way back when. Took credit for everything except potatoes and Guinness that’s ours.

  115. Sid

    “The downtown Minneapolis Target store was built with a public subsidy of $60 million. Nearby Brooklyn Park gave $22 million in tax breaks for Target’s headquarters. In 2015, the company laid off 1,700 people. Who exactly is looting whom?”

  116. Sid

    English physician Joseph Mortimer Granville invented an electric vibrator in 1883

    Im telling you for free!

  117. WengerEagle

    Mancs I’ve been talking to are literally braindead turning their nose up at Jadon Sancho for big money in favour of Grealish or grooming Daniel James/Greenwood.

    This lad is already the second best player in the Bundesliga after Lewandowski and he’s a twenty year old. He’s in a different stratosphere of talent to Grealish and only M’Bappe is comparable of those around his age.

    Elite talent, English, marketable, decade plus of prime ball ahead of him. Will be worth every penny and more of a nine figure fee.

  118. Ishola70

    Weagle

    |”He’s in a different stratosphere of talent to Grealish and only M’Bappe is comparable of those around his age.”

    Only comparable?

    You see both players in exactly the same bracket?

    I’d like to see Sancho strut around in the really big matches such as World Cup finals before stating that he is on the exact same level as M’Bappe let alone that M’Bappe is anywhere near comparable to him.

    As for Grealish let United have him. Thick as shit that boy as we saw in the early lockdown and tries too much stuff in dangerous areas. Talent but not a totally mature player.

  119. WengerEagle

    Ishola

    M’Bappe is elite and at a different level to Sancho even, was just using him as a comparison as they are both head and shoulders above anyone else their age.