Here you are, like pigs at the content trough, waiting for a delicious serving of Arsenal news.
Well, it’ll be slim pickings today because I am writing this at night because we made a podcast. This is the main course, the podcast will be the dessert… and the fact that you are willing to eat dessert at breakfast says a lot about your state of mind right now
My state of mind is shabby. I am BORED of not spending time with other people. I am DISGUSTED that I am not watching sport. I was THRILLED that football was coming back in Europe… but those hopes are getting dashed up by those meddling EU leaders.
The first to kick the legs away from the football fans was Emmanuel Macron. The handsome man who was dabbling with cougars well before the term was popularised dropped his elite pedigree points by a margin when he announced that there would be no football until at least September. That means the league is basically over. TV firms don’t want to wait around apparently, so the game is up in France. PSG talking about playing Champions League games in another country (I bet they are).
WILLIAM SALIBA COULD PLAY THIS SEASON IF THE PREM ROLLS INTO JULY.
Back to Euro football:
The French news had me tearing up in my bowl of breakfast dessert… then Germany made matters worse, with rumours swirling that an uptick in covid-19 cases, coupled with the scientific community calling the return dumb, would lead to a further delay on the return. Late May now looking more likely.
The Premier League is slightly different. The Government want the distraction, the Premier League desperately wants to fulfil its contractual obligations, and the fans are probably at the point where they don’t care much for the health implications. Not that I am saying that’s right, but look, Richard Masters just invited a new owner to the table who chopped up a critic with a bone saw… the Premier League is taking the high ground on nothing. It’s all about the pound notes my friends.
An Italian journo has fired back on the Thomas Partey denials saying that he’s up for a move and Atleti are desperate to sell players.
I really can’t be dealing with this back and forth, but the reality is we have no money. If Auba signs, that’s our meal ticket back into the market gone. Our only other big-ticket hope is Matteo, you’d have to hope that people don’t know about the bullshit behind the scenes, or that PSG are into that premium French youth vibe. You could pray that Simeone hasn’t seen Lacazette’s fitness or physicality levels. Outside that, it’s slim pickings.
We spent this summers money last summer. Our wage bill is about £50m too high. We don’t have many players that’d sell in this climate. The bottom has fallen out of the market. Our players aren’t going to tolerate deferred wages or cuts if we’re splurging on recruits. It’s going to be a difficult summer that is unlikely to yield 26-year-olds in their prime.
I did hear that Mikel very much likes Pablo Mari. I was also told that though the Cedric Soares transfer looked very dodgy, he was actually flagged by our scouts as someone that fit the profile Mikel was looking for.
THE PROFILE: Is he on Kia’s books
Just jokes. He’s apparently the type of player we wanted. Make of that what you will. Doesn’t bode well for Hector, right?
Ok, wipe your eyes, put your headphones in and absorb my voice in your ears for the next 55 minutes. Pretend it’s an important Zoom call if your boss wants to meet.
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Terraloon
Then why don’t players – Ozil for example – get paid £10k per week salary and £340k per week for image rights.
Didn’t Overmars used to have some of his salary paid in Euro’s?
Tom
“You do realize Cazorla almost lost his foot due to club’s ( Wenger ?)negligence , and both Wilshere and Ramsey had spent more time on the treatment table than the pitch, yet two out of them three would somehow guarantee the seamless transition into whatever Arteta’s style might be?!?!.”
Question: Would 2 out of Wilshere, Cazorla and Ramsey get in to Arsenals fist 11 now and improve us going forward? I think so.
Terraloon
Agreed but you pay VAT on the difference between what you receive and what you pay out. If we’re still getting income from TV money and sponsor’s then it shouldn’t be a problem.
Pierre
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QZ_Pcu6pSeE
Have a watch of this. Roy Keane backing up your views on Ozil and PL pay cuts that you were talking about the other day.
“Question: Would 2 out of Wilshere, Cazorla and Ramsey get in to Arsenals fist 11 now and improve us going forward? I think so.”
Afraid not – they’d all be injured despite us not having any matches for a month or so.
Ramsey was a bit of headless chicken under Wenger and Emery. I wasn’t his biggest fan but it would have been interesting to see how Arteta would have managed him. Just look at how much Xhaka, Torriera, Ozil and Ceballos has improved.
A fit Wilshere, Cazorla and Ramsey over what we have now, 100%. Looking back, we won 3 FA Cups with these players.
Marc,
You don’t pay VAT on the difference. In most company pay VAT and then get money back from the government. So in term of treasury VAT can cause financial difficulty to business.
Valentin
Sorry you’re wrong there. Most company’s don’t get money back unless they’re charging less VAT than they are paying – if you’re buying raw materials domestically and then exporting it’s possible.
For example: You manufacture a product using 3 raw materials all of which cost £1 per unit before VAT so you’re paying £0.60 per unit in VAT on invoices coming in (forget waste etc it’ll just complicate the conversation) you sell the product for £10 per unit before VAT so £12 inc VAT. You’re VAT liability is £1.40 per unit.
GunnerDNA, I think you got thing mixed up. Being American is irrelevant. The main point is being an absent owner only too happy to let a revenue generating business on his own. Absent owners tend to notice too late that their asset has been declining for a number of years. Usually they pick it up when suddenly some KPIs flash red on their financial dashboard. That’s happen to Arsenal. Don’t qualify for Champion’s League, not a problem. Generate an operation loss but still compensated by exceptional revenue (players sales, building/land sale) not a problem. Operational loss not compensated by exceptional… Read more »
Marc, It depends on at least the three factors 1) what kind of products /services you are buying and selling. The rate of VAT of what you are buying and what you are selling may not be the same. For example, there is no VAT on baby food, there is VAT on product in the composition/packaging of such product. 2) your payment facilities. Do you pay your suppliers before or after they have rendered you service? Supermarkets are hoarders of cash, because they receive payments upfront by customer but pay their suppliers up to 90 days later. During COVID, Morrison… Read more »
Valentin
Yeah you’re having an other meltdown.
A company accountant is reviewing it’s January invoices – it’s been “charged” £2000 in VAT which has been paid out, it’s invoiced out products plus £4000 in VAT – it’s VAT liability is £2000.
No debate, no conversation the tax man is knocking your door down pay the fucking bill.
https://arseblog.com/2020/04/france-cancels-football-what-next-for-the-premier-league/
Arsecast has it right.
Wilshere & Ramsey are out injured in their respective teams, while Carzola is 35 years old
Im telling you this for free!
The question is why are russians called oligarchs and not the Kochs, Trump, kelcy warren, james simons
I wonder if we are looking at a part-exchange with Torreira for Partey?
We know El Cholo likes him as he very nearly signed to play under him at Atleti before we bought him. I’m not saying he’s a like for like but would give them a different option in the same position.
That would make this deal very possible. Even better if we could throw in someone else to the deal like Mikhi maybe or Penalzette?
VAT
Normally VAT returns are required to be completed at submitted to HMRC by the end of the month following the allotted 3 month period. If your return shows you owe HMRC then normally payment of VAT due to HMRC must be received on the 7th of the following month. Rishi Sunak has given UK companies a 12month holiday for making payments to HMRC but the returns must still be submitted.
Pierre seems to mistake Arteta for Arsene Wenger. Wenger signed him as a player so he must be a smart coach as well seems to be the logic.
The jury is still out on Arteta, we are still a long way from declaring him the Messiah.
Stay safe everyone.
Seems many countries are gradually easing up the lockdown and carrying on with things.
“The jury is still out on Arteta, we are still a long way from declaring him the Messiah ”
The words of wisdom of Receding Hairline.
It’s nearly as insightful as Marc’s
“Valentin
Yeah you’re having another meltdown.”
This is a ploy Marc uses when he finally realises that his opinions are being pulled apart by someone with greater knowledge on the subject than him.
The state of New York paid $69 million for ventilators to a man with no background in medical supplies after he tweeted at President Donald Trump.
MAGA! You heard it here 1st!
Apparently, letting Cazorla, Wilshere and Cazorla leave for free and not attempting to renewing their contracts has not had a negative effect on the team . Tom “Pierre, You do realize Cazorla almost lost his foot due to club’s ( Wenger ?)negligence , and both Wilshere and Ramsey had spent more time on the treatment table than the pitch, yet two out of them three would somehow guarantee the seamless transition into whatever Arteta’s style might be?!?!.” Sid “Wilshere & Ramsey are out injured in their respective teams, while Carzola is 35 years oldIm telling you this for free!” Marc… Read more »
Marc When you work out a VAT liability you factor in what’s called inputs and outputs. For instance in the club shop buys in a adult replica shirt for say £30 . Arsenal will be invoiced £6 VAT. If they the sale that shirt for £80 of that sum £13.33 is VAT so on that one transaction a nett £7.33 VAT has to be paid to HMRC. When it comes to Match tickets for say £120 package £20 will be payable for VAT. NEGG The Chancellor may well at some point delay all VAT payments for a 12 month period… Read more »
Marc
When Portsmouth signed Peter Crouch they agreed to pay a significant proportion of his remuneration package by way of image rights. If my memory serves me correctly that then opened a can of worms and as a consequence a standard approach was introduced
This article details image rights limits and indeed other snippets and details of players costs and obligations
https://www.danielgeey.com/post/image-rights-in-uk-football-explained/
Terraloon
You are right with the current situation – I advised on the current situation where indeed there is a holiday. It may well be extended but that is an unknown at this time. One would imagine that HMRC will be inclined to penalise clubs if they do not respect their HMRC commitments. Club Directors should be responsible and could possibly receive a ban should a company fail however HMRC are more inclined to penalise the little man than a Director of a large organisation.
There is no risk that Arsenal will become insolvent, but what is probably true not just for us but also most other clubs as well is that we could have a “cash flow” problem. Another concern specific to Arsenal is the growing suspicion that the so-called 30,000+ waiting list for season tickets no longer exists and that the club may struggle next season to fill seats. The recent decline in performance at the club has impacted clearly on attendances albeit that the club is always claiming that the stadium is more or less full. Their stats are based on paid… Read more »
Es
The youth players should have been exempt from wage cuts
Club have blundered there players don’t forget .
ER
I don’t think there is any suggestion that Arsenal are in any danger whatsoever of entering insolvency. The issue is how clubs manage both cash flow and for me just as important will be how clubs manage the PR.
Overmars
“Ramsey was a bit of headless chicken under Wenger and Emery. I wasn’t his biggest fan but it would have been interesting to see how Arteta would have managed him.”
Same.
I believe that Arteta would have been good for Ramsey.
Discipline on the pitch is top of the agenda for Arteta which sadly Ramsey lacked under Wenger, though I think it’s fair to say that towards the end of the 2018/19 season ( before he was injured), Emery was beginning to get the best out of Ramsey with some very good and disciplined central midfield performances.
Back for a short while.
Just to say I’ve fallen out of love with football and it’s incredible self indulgence over these past few weeks, as it’s squirmed around amidst all the turmoil.
Does anyone else feel the same.
Is Carzoĺa a DM like Torr, compare him to ozil😊
Is there a risk of insolvency, certainly not. However describing this has just a ‘cash-flow problem is a bit dim since we don’t know how the season will pan out. If the rest of the 2019-2020 season is cancelled and fan attendance for the first half of next season is curtailed then the financial repercussions will be devastating. There’s a chance that stadium capacity could be reduced for next season- It is unlikely that 60,000 capacity attendance will be allowed until we have a vaccine.. …then sponsors are likely to default or a delay remittances. It seems people are glibly… Read more »
Dissenter
The virus has affected 0.25% of the population.
Over 65% of the population will suffer badly due to the oncoming unemployment with no job prospects for at least a year.
The government are gambling the economy away .
The pandemic is fear and herd mentality.
Sid “Is Carzoĺa a DM like Torr, compare him to ozil😊” I should have compared him to Ceballos but anyway , thanks it confirms how the goals and assists from cazorla ( and Ramsey ) would undoubtedly have benefitted the team compared to our midfielders of Torreira, ceballos , Guendouzi, Willock and Ozil . And while we are at it , how about another player who was offloaded ….Mhkitaryan. 6 goals and 4 assists this season… This gives us Cazorla………13 goals Ramsey………6 Mhkitaryan..6 3 players 25 goals Compared to Ceballos……1 Torreira……..2 Ozil……………..1 Willock………4 Guendouzi.. 0 5 players 8 goals And… Read more »
Spanishdave Whatever you choose to think at the seriousness of covid-19 is your choice. Let’s agree that the ‘pandemic is fear and herd mentality’ – that has led to massive economic setbacks and uncertainties over the short term future is what I was addressing. Belgium, France and Holland have already cancelled there seasons. My point is that this is not just another economic crises; Sponsorship money is at risk; I won’t be surprised if Emirates holds back its sponsorship money given that 97%of its fleet are grounded. They relied on transcontinental travel which is all but zero. Adidas isn’t selling… Read more »
Assists
Guendouzi…1
Willock……0
Ceballos……2
Torreira……1
Ozil……………2
Xhaka …….2
6 players..8 assists
Compared to
Mhkitaryan….4 assists
Cazorla……………6
Ramsey……………1
3 players 11 assists.
So we have let 3 players go for nothing who have 36 goal contributions this season, whilst our 6 remaining midfielders have 16 goal contributions.
What a cock up!
Dissenter
All very sad I know but, in the greater scheme of things, not that important.
Maybe Football can now start to reevaluate things. It’s sickening to see, even now, that money still consumes the mindset of so many in the game.
Football, as we know it, has changed for good, which may not be a bad thing.
Dissenter There’s no doubt that the economic ramifications of this are going to be serious – I do however think that the governments of the world will use stimulus packages to give the recovery a boost and get things moving again so hopefully we see a V shaped dip. What we will see is some industries hurt more seriously and over the longer term than others ie Airlines it could take a long time for people to start traveling internationally again in the same numbers. The AstraZeneca CEO has said this morning that they’ll have a good idea whether the… Read more »
Graham To be honest I think you’re clutching at straws if you think that footballs going to change that much. Once we’re through this and we will get through it life will return to more or less normal. TV revenue will still be crazy amounts so if salaries were to reduce to more sensible levels the revenue going into clubs would still be the same so clubs would just have more cash – what do you think they’re going to do with it? Reduce ticket prices – won’t happen whilst there’s demand for tickets so either it gets spent on… Read more »
Pierre always with an agenda. Cazorla was a top player sure but he nearly lost his foot. Any arsenal fan is just happy he is playing football. Miki at Dortmund was too. but he sucked playing in England. Ramsey was better than what we have but was never a top player. To pay him as such would have been the Ozil mistake all over again. We should have sold him when he had a year left. He had his moments but wasn’t consistent enough. Wilshere has proven he can’t stay fit to save his life. I don’t like looking back.… Read more »
Marc I was just reacting to Terraloon and Emirates dismissing the seriousness of the economic challenge by calling it a ‘cash flow’ issue. It’s more devastating than. The American economy contracted by 5 % in the first quarter and only the last 5 weeks of the quarter was impacted by covid-19 lockdown. There’s no amount of ‘stimulus package that will easily redeem this. The US is spending like drunken sailors and that’s like bandaid to a sinking boat. The issue at stake is consumer confidence; -People are not going to make large item purchases for a while; cars, homes etc.… Read more »
Compare mikhi to Pepe/saka
Ramsey has been playing as a #10 in juve same as Dybala (ozil)
basically your comparisons are oranges and apples
Stop trolling, im telling you for free!
Habesha / Sid
The problem with Pierre is he can’t let go of former things. I loved Santi as a player but the infection he suffered really meant the PL wasn’t going to be the place for him. If Pierre was asking the question why haven’t we replaced these players it’d be a fair comment to continually harp on about former players is just boring.
I’m amazed Pierre doesn’t start comments with “When I was a lad”
Emirates was taking about a waiting list when it’s unclear as to whether half capacity of stadiums can be reached. I suspect that for next season, they will curtail stadium capacity significantly until the public health emergency is resolved.
I’m curious to know whether the retired/soon to be retired people that regularly attend games will still show up for games for next season.
I wonder if London gooners who have significant underlying medical problems will chance their healths to show up for games next season.
Just loud musings
Dissenter
If a vaccine becomes available in the next few months then confidence will rebound quickly – an awful lot of people will; be keen to get out and see friends / family and socialise again.
You do like a bit of doom and gloom mate!
Dissenter I can’t see how they could get reduced capacity to work – I sit in the middle of a row what happens if my train gets delayed on the way to a match and I’m 5 minutes late? What happens if I need the gents after 30 minutes? If this vaccine works and they’ve started manufacturing a million doses on the chance that it does it’ll be a game changer to all this. At the moment this virus kills the old, the fat, people with pre existing conditions and for some unknown reason people from ethnic minorities seem to… Read more »
Marc
I like to face reality, especially when it’s smacking you in the face.
It seem you love pies in the skies.
You think a vaccine is ready by June or even September?
You did say you wanted a football distraction, maybe that’s your motivation. In fairness to you you also think a good ‘ole stimulus will resolve this economic problem.
Marc
The vaccine you’re referring to is still in the early phases.
I like your optimism and I sure hope you’re right for all our goods.
Why has Pierre used Miki’s stats when he was played wide and not included Pepe’s?
Is it because he’s scored 4 with 6 assists?
I’d also point out that according to transfermarket Miki’s only got 3 assists not 4.
Dissenter I’m aware the vaccine is in the early stages but the lab is claiming they’ll have it ready to roll for September with a million doses manufactured. If it does work every lab in the world will start making this – it won’t be an overnight solution but combined with what’s already happened it will gets things moving. I’m not pie in the sky I just get pissed off with the “life will never be the same” crowd. Spanish Flu killed 50 million and that was just after WW1 – life went back to normal – the Black Death… Read more »
Marc
Yes, you got the demographics at risk right. The problem is historically, the first viral pandemic wave is not the deadliest. It’s the subsequent waves that will follow.
The issue of minorities in America, specifically black people isn’t surprising since they have difficult untied with access. In many cases the access is there and they just don’t utilize it even when they have state provided insurance.
Let’s hope that vaccine comes quickly. There’s too much prestige riding on which team develops it first so it’s a matter of time
Marc,
“You do like a bit of doom and gloom mate”
Is it really doom and gloom or Dissenter is just facing reality?
Marc Of course life will resume,but it’s a bit silly to think this experience won’t change work cultish for a long time. Let me give you an example, the concept of working remotely is going to be a big part of our lives going forward. This pandemic has proven that many jobs don’t need to cram into an office space to work efficiently. Air travel was changed by September 11 – those changes still dominate the industry so don’t expect that this pandemic won’t change some things as well. Humanity has survived things far worse than this pandemic. Life will… Read more »
*Work culture
DNA
Dissenter has a habit of always going for the worst possible outcome. Reality is life will go back to normal it always does.
Dissenter
Of course there will be changes to what is normal – that’s progress. I agree I think we’ll see more people working from home after this than before but 30 years ago you’d send a fax – now you send an email.
I do think Air Travel will be hit but haven’t we been told for years now we had to cut back on flying to stop climate change?
The changes will just be a case of evolution.
Marc,
“DNA
Dissenter has a habit of always going for the worst possible outcome. Reality is life will go back to normal it always does”
Until there is a vaccine its hard to predict what will be normal moving forward.
“Until there is a vaccine its hard to predict what will be normal moving forward.”
Drinking beer, chasing women, watching football and hating Scousers which strangely is precisely what normal was before!
Marc,
“Drinking beer, chasing women, watching football and hating Scousers which strangely is precisely what normal was before”
That was from 1995 bro. The new wave now is owning properties, making sure the family is good and securing retirement
Marc
” according to transfermarket Miki’s only got 3 assists not 4.”
Your Clutching at straws mate…
Sorry to say but I’ve made you look a mug again .
Marc
You seem to forget one thing, Football has lost a great deal of credibility these past couple of months. Things will never be as they were. A vaccine will not change people’s perceptions of things.
On top of this, the entire structure of the game will be under scrutiny. European and international competitions will not be as they were for several seasons.
I’m sorry but things will change massively, whether Football likes it or not.
Oxford are 80% sure their vaccine will work, will know by July and will have millions of doses available by September if it does
Remdesvir or whatever it’s called has also been found to have a positive impact for treatment
There are now over 80 different vaccines being tested around the world and countless drugs and treatments
There’s no way in hell this won’t be under control by the end of 2020. The question is how bad will the economy look by then
Pierre
Only one mug round here
Graham
We’ll see I just think any changes will be cosmetic, there will be changes to European matches and International competitions for the next couple of years with less travelling but the PL will in 2 years time will have that fuck wit on SSN on transfer deadline day doing exactly the same.
China
Agree the tricky bit is going to be relaxing the lockdown over here whilst not causing a second wave before a vaccine is ready.
What will be interesting is whether a vaccine is made compulsory or voluntary? Would there be limitations on people who refuse a vaccine?
Based on the UK figures, how does anyone expect things to return to normality?
Football will have to adjust to the reality of the situation.
Graham
Because things always return to normal – why can’t you understand that?
Marc
‘Because things always return to normal – why can’t you understand that?”
It depends on how you define ‘normal’ though.
I’ve given you examples of situations where things don’t return back how it used to be.
You’re stating the obvious because we all know life will continue. Life would have continued had there been a nuclear fall-out in the height of the cold war, millions would have died but there would have been a rebuilding.
“There’s no way in hell this won’t be under control by the end of 2020. The question is how bad will the economy look by then”
But the WHO, and several hysterical posters, and have stated there thought there is no evidence of immunity?
Orwellian doublethink/speak at its finest.
Dissenter
We’ve gone round and round on this – as it stands approx. 230,000 have died globally from this, that’s less than 0.00003% of the worlds population.
In a few years there will be numbers showing more died from the economic and other effects than died from the virus.
More people will work from home – was going to happen anyway this has just accelerated it. Some people will be nervous of being in large crowds – they’ll get over it.
The new normal will be almost identical to the old. Evolution not revolution.
Well supposedly there isn’t evidence of immunity simply because it hasn’t been properly studied yet. But supposedly it would be extremely surprising if some level of immunity wasn’t gained, even if not long term. Tbf it doesn’t need to even be long term, even just a couple of months will make a big difference if we do get a vaccine from September onwards I think the problem is a combination of experts talking in isolation about the single point they’re focusing on and discounting the wider picture of technological, societal, medicinal progress happening at the same time – and secondarily… Read more »
China – Agree that it’s extremely likely there is immunity which is why I wonder why the WHO, and others, are seemingly desperate to discount that possibility when natural herd immunity is touted and motivations for doing so.
Taking the west’s perception of China’s cases as a case in point It keeps being talked of as incredulous that China would have had it under control and wouldn’t be collapsing under the weight of covering up a second wave, but again no one is paying attention. People from outside the country are bringing it back in – and they land in China and are immediately tested after getting off a plane and taken by guys in full PPE on a chartered bus to a government controlled hotel where they are legally made to isolate for 14 days and cannot… Read more »
Immunity is evident in Africa, covid19 has been around worldwide earlier than being portrayed
You heard it here 1st!
Marc “We’ve gone round and round on this – as it stands approx. 230,000 have died globally from this, that’s less than 0.00003% of the worlds population.” You keep posting fatality figures without any appreciation of the unprecedented public health measures it took to keep those numbers low. “In a few years there will be numbers showing more died from the economic and other effects than died from the virus.” I think you want to have it both ways. The US fatality numbers would be in the 2-4 million range [based on projections ] without the shut downs. Would that… Read more »
Paulinho well I’m fearful that the natural herd immunity route is going to be the way for the developing world as there’s little hope for many of them managing to keep it under control through the usual means when living in relative, let alone abject poverty. That will come at a huge human cost which will probably be one of the great tragedies of this generation imo. I’m genuinely worried about that
But for developed nations the virus will be broadly under control
China1
What’s going to happen when international business resumes before the mass availability if a good vaccine?
I ask because the situation is still very tenuous even in societies where they mounted an effective public health campaign.,they are seeing another wave of cases that stem from a few infected subjects that cross international borders.
Does that mean international borders will be closed for a while? If so, what does tat do to global commerce?
Mexico and Canada don’t want to open their borders to the US. They are the ones that may want to build a wall now.
I think much touted treatment of covid-19 that give industrialized countries an advantage hasn’t turned out to be effective. The $20,000 ventilators that separate the developing world from the industrialized countries haven’t exactly been that effective.
People are more likely to follow the directives of government in the developing world so the public health piece will limit the spread in the first place.
More people will die of malaria, thyphoid fever and other tropical communicable diseases than covid-19. More people will die of hunger than anything covid-19 could possible do.
China -Outside of age, it seems to target people with metabolic syndrome that comes with indulging on excess foods etc, so obesity, diabetes etc. Standard America diet. Virus causes oxidate stress leading to hypercoagulation in those risk groups.
I don’t think it will have anywhere near the impact on those countries as people think it will because you don’t get the same physical profile in those places. Elderly still a concern though.
*oxidative
Don’t forget that since week 1 this year 2000 people have died of flu and pneumonia per week.
That’s with vaccine being available.
According to the ONC if Coronavirus and pneumonia are on the death certificate the NHS put it down as a virus death.
This inflates the deaths numbers which maybe the government prefer to keep the panic up and to justify their extreme measures.
They are digging a big hole any hav’nt a clue how to get out of it.
Boris is good at getting women pregnant though.! Lol
Just got this from a mate of mine
Not sure if true
Strong info From a mate of mine Premier league is back in June. I have a lead from someone who works for a sport travel agency that manages logistics for some top teams (spurs, city, wolves, newcastle, rangers to name a few). The company has been tasked to arrange hotels and travel for 8 weeks starting mid may. All premier league teams will play their remaining games at st georges park behind closed doors and for TV only. The complex will host 2/3 games a day that will be streamed live. The players will go into isolation mid may at… Read more »
Reality? Think marcs reality is more tempered.facts speak for themselves re infection rates with regards to historic pandemics.Tending to be of an optimistic nature & considering the stampede to be first to knock out an effective vaccine I’d be reasonably confident of one being produced within next 3/ 4 months.Time will tell as always.
Dissenter
There was a piece on the news over here last week (I think it was last week I’m completely losing track of the days!) about a hospital in Cheshire who have done a study and concluded that putting people on a ventilator who have Covid is bad for them and using the equipment that’s used for sleep apnoea is far more beneficial.
Dissenter I have not argued against the lockdown – My argument has been against the “it’s the end of the world” nutjobs – life will go back to normal. Whilst every death is a tragedy the numbers killed are in the scheme of things tiny. What I have commented on is what will happen when there is an effective / reliable anti body test if it’s shown millions upon millions have had it in the UK with no serious consequences? The actions taken will have killed more people than they would’ve saved – if it’s shown 200,000 people in the… Read more »
“People can think for themselves. ”
Wrong – some people can think for themselves, many are not capable of doing so.
The numbers you present have no true relevance, Marc. You state that a minuscule percentage are dying of C19 compared to other more common viruses and events.
If one suggests that this is overblown and essentially little was done from the get-go, what do you think the number of fatalities would likely be, taking a global population into account?
Perspective is an interesting phenomenon, perhaps you may want to consider it as an application.
Correction – If one suggests that this is overblown and IF essentially little was done from the get-go, what do you think the number of fatalities would likely be, taking a global population into account?
Inclusion of IF
To which, the fact that global mortality rates are as low as indicated is a direct result of prudent oversight and wise application of safety protocols.
Status quo, common sense would tell you, is the way to go..
Ernest I know you lost your wife and I’m sorry for that – I haven’t stated that actions shouldn’t have been taken. “what do you think the number of fatalities would likely be, taking a global population into account?” No idea because we still don’t know how many have had this with either zero or mild symptoms. I’ve asked the question what happens if it turns out that this has been about for longer than currently claimed – didn’t a University in California say they thought it’s possible that a viral outbreak last autumn was Covid 19 – and deaths… Read more »
Ernest ” If one suggests that this is overblown and IF essentially little was done from the get-go, what do you think the number of fatalities would likely be, taking a global population into account?” I don’t know – I haven’t made statement to the effect that I do. What I will say is Sweden has not implemented the extreme measures we have and the media has highlighted the fact that their death toll is higher than surrounding countries however you’d think that the death rate should be soaring but according to what’s shown on the daily briefing Sweden’s death… Read more »
So now we are set to treat football like it’s some life critical societal need. Players away from their families for weeks, staying isolated in hotels. etc It will be fun just watching the sheer spectacle of greed on display. The football behind closed doors will resemble preseason games at best. It will be a massive skyscraper built from a deck of cards. A couple of positive tests leading to compulsory isolations and they will all have eggs on faces. I wonder how the players feel about being separated from their families to go play fight-football. Are they going to… Read more »
Marc
You’re the only self declared conservative who doesn’t believe in personal responsibilities.
You don’t think people are capable of thinking for themselves to drive their own decisions?
Top states with obesity
West Virginia (38.1 percent)
Mississippi (37.3 percent)
Oklahoma (36.5 percent)
Iowa (36.4 percent)
Alabama (36.3 percent)
Top covid19 infections, death
New York 299,691, 23,477
New Jersey 116,365, 6,771
Massachusetts 60,265, 3,405
Illinois 50,358, 2,215
California 48,829, 1,956
There isnt any correlation of covid deaths to obesity
Theres more to the story…….
You heard it here 1st!
“You don’t think people are capable of thinking for themselves to drive their own decisions?”
An awful lot of people aren’t – I only vote Tory because my personal preference isn’t available.
Re the reopening of international business, a large chunk of what is just accepted to require international travel is more a luxury than necessity Taking standard chartered bank as a case in point, multinational travel is done by middle and senior management all the time as you’d expect but we’ve had a global travel ban since January with no discernible impact on the bank. Obviously that’s not universally the case for all companies but there is a big distinction between ‘the way things are done’ and they way things need to be done’ which I do think this pandemic is… Read more »
Sid
https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-a-third-of-all-covid-19-hospital-patients-die-with-dementia-and-obesity-carrying-the-highest-risk-11980894
Sorry that’s not what science is showing.
The status quo, following strict guidelines, is the prudent approach in my opinion. There is no cure for Covid-19 and that is what makes this so unique and sadly, so deadly. I asked the question as a point of curiosity, because we have a reasonable idea of the current status (provided countries remain honest in their numbers) but one wonders what it could potentially have been without protective measures already in place? And its okay to bring up any subject around me. What has happened has happened, and i cant change that for all the world. This much i do… Read more »
Ernest
Boris has just mentioned 500,000 as a potential – don’t know what factors were involved though.
Top states with obesity
West Virginia (38.1 percent)
Mississippi (37.3 percent)
Oklahoma (36.5 percent)
Iowa (36.4 percent)
Alabama (36.3 percent)Top covid19 infections, death
New York 299,691, 23,477
New Jersey 116,365, 6,771
Massachusetts 60,265, 3,405
Illinois 50,358, 2,215
California 48,829, 1,956There isnt any correlation of covid deaths to obesity
Theres more to the story…….
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I’m no statistician but Im pretty sure that’s not how statistical analysis should work Sid.
You’re heard it here first…….and free of charge.
Dissenter
Your point is well taken but if bringing football back is what it will take to stop Marc and Spanish Dave’s hot takes on covid-19, than Im ready to proclaim it essential.
Besides, it’ll be fun watching players getting in each other faces at corners.