Rooney shanks PFA opinion piece over the bar

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I feel like The Times has put itself in a right old pickle hiring Wayne Rooney as their flashy new columnist. They spent the first week defending his right to write, rolling out the big guns to defend his intelligence after he was unfairly eviscerated online, and to be fair, his work has been solid. He takes a strong line of opinion and backs it as best he can. However, this week, they’ve let him loose on the sticky subject of the PFA and Matt Hancock. It didn’t go well.

Before I jump two-footed into my lunging hot take, I just want to reset people here. Footballers at Rooney’s level are wealthy beyond anything you and I can imagine. Literally, in the top 0.1 percentile of wealth, players like CR7 are in the top 0.01%. When I worked in London, we had a client that sold fractional ownership of private jets, Ronaldo was in the deck as our target (£30m+ of net wealth). Wayne Rooney would also be in that category; his net worth ranges bubble at around $160 million. If you have an error margin of 30%, he’s still in the OH MY FUCKING LORD levels of cash money. So when the papers position these folk as ‘one of us that done good’, it’s a fantasy on par with Mike Ashley being one of the lads because he necks a pint in the stands.

Back to Wayne Rooney. He opens his article asking why Matt Hancock was thinking about Premier League footballers during a botched pandemic response? A fair question, but not when you work for The Times and your colleagues threw a lot of ink at Spurs furloughing their non-sport staff, applying for a taxpayer bailout, all before cutting a single pound note of the players. How did that make it through the edit?

He then goes onto to say that footballers often spend beyond their means, citing an Audi he purchased when he was at Everton he couldn’t afford (I struggle with this cute anecdote because he burst onto the scene at 16, would have been driving at 17, moved to United at 18. Was there really a moment in that 17th year when a £20k Audi would have been a problem?). Anyway, overspending, welcome to the club my man, that’s basically every person in the UK. 12.8m household in the UK have £1,500 or less in savings to access. Average unsecured UK debt before mortgages is £4,600, credit card debt is £2,600, average debt when you include a mortgage is £31k per person. We are all struggling.

Wayne suggests that footballers have short careers, they have to invest for the future and save money, so it’s unfair to ask for cuts. Again, this point is true, but it’s so disconnected to the reality of those in the real world. The UK has 4.8m in the gig economy. Footballers have short careers, no doubt, but it’s still a job and in most cases, it pays a lot more handsomely than a zero-hours contract in a nursing home.

He suggests that football clubs should negotiate salary reductions on a per case basis, reducing wages based on what players can afford. A lovely thought, while local clubs furlough non-sport staff instantly, clubs should painstakingly negotiate salary reductions with Mr 10% to a level where the players can maintain their current lifestyle and financial plan? Fantasy. Again, people in the real world get the e-mail telling them what their new salary is and that’s it.

He also pulls another card that is being used rampantly: What about the others?!

Yes, tax exiles asking for bailouts should be called out. Richard Branson and Phillip Green are a disgrace, no doubt, and they have been attacked, but in this moment whataboutism is the same deflection tactic he’s accusing Hancock of engaging in. My whataboutism would focus on the NFL, what about that league? Just Google it, they’re donating as a collective and they are doing it at a local level. Franchises like the Falcons are protecting hourly workers. What about the NBA? Zion Williams alone is paying the Pelicans hourly workers through the month. Take a read if you want to see what American sport is doing for their people. Why is the player response here so much better?

The thread from Wayne Rooney is pretty clear… a total reluctance to accept that footballers are not special and a real aversion to making a collective sacrifice to save their clubs and the people working in the non-sport areas. It’s disappointing.

To make matters worse, Liverpool, a team that sings ‘You’ll never walk alone’, has ditched 200 workers and leaned in the government furlough, which is a tax break for big firms… one that should really be used as a last-ditch move. In this video, Henderson talks about the song.

‘It means more than words. You can use it not only for this football club, but in many walks of life.’

Well, if the walk of life you trudge through is a low paying job, you very much do walk alone. Quite staggering that a club that made over £100m from the Champions League would entertain the furlough, but here we are.

The final point Wayne and the PFA are pushing is that the lost tax revenue from wage cuts will impact the NHS. This one really gets me, because again, it focuses on the individual players.

‘By refusing me my millions, you are attacking the NHS’

It’s a selfish argument that doesn’t consider the ramifications of why this is happening. Premier League footballers are not being asked to take a salary cut just because the nation hates rich footballers. It’s asking them to take a cut to 1) Save their clubs that are losing all their revenue streams 2) Support the non-sport staff 3) To help support the lower league clubs that might go bust 4) To invest in local causes, like the NHS.

Yes, there will be a loss of tax revenue, but it’s not like clubs are just making bank. They are trying to survive. Diverting the 30% salary cut to the NHS is an absolute luxury only the biggest clubs will be able to afford. The main aim of the reductions is to survive. Survival isn’t just limited to the lower-level clubs, Burnley is going to run out of money by August if something isn’t done.

“The fact of the matter is if we don’t finish the season and there isn’t a clear start to the next one, we as a club will run out of money by August. That’s a fact,”

“I can’t speak for other clubs and I don’t know their financial positions and all I can speak on is our club and our financial position.

“That is why we are very, very determined that when it is of course safe to do so we really do want to finish this season.

“We voted unanimously to finish the season so it’s clear everyone wants to get the job done. It’s crystal clear that finishing the season is by far the best, if only real outcome for the Premier League clubs.”

If a Premier League club can be this cash strapped, imagine what it’s like for a team like Portsmouth?

So in short, angst at the Premier League and its players isn’t misguided. It isn’t classist. It isn’t unfounded. The power players need to speed up the process. Journalists who caused this outrage in the first place need to remind themselves how we got here > their stories about Spurs. The fans need to point to American sport when the whataboutism arguments bubble up.

Arsenal has to make a decision about its hourly workers. Josh Kroenke went out if his way to tell the fans that he wanted to make them proud last year. Let’s see what he has up his sleeve when the month of financial assistance for our casual workers (and non-sport folk) is up.

Hopefully, we lead like we have so far, all eyes on the top dogs. Make us proud. x

102 Responses to “Rooney shanks PFA opinion piece over the bar”

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  1. Sid

    Wayne Rooneys intelligence is questionable,

    Wayne Rooneys mentally still working class it might take a generation or more of his descendats to overcome.

    Footballers are special(doesnt justify their salaries) talent anyone can do what most non sport staff does at a club, lets not get things twisted.

  2. Tom

    Quite frankly Im surprised by Rooney’s opinion piece…………………………..
    I didn’t realize he could write or read.

  3. Sid

    Kyle Walker providing job opportunities in these difficult times to sex workers

    Im telling you this for free!

  4. PieAFC

    As The Verve said.

    You’re a slave to the money then you die.

    Fuck football. About time it had a revamp. What goes up must come down.

  5. R.S.P.C.Arsenal


    Marc that is so classist

    The fuck man,

    You can’t say things live that that’s just as bad as racism in my eyes…

    No sir you hav3 crossed the line.

  6. R.S.P.C.Arsenal

    You pulled me up for using the word Kraut about ze Germans…
    All the comics I read growing up and even newspapers use that term.

    Yet you think it’s cool to be classist ?

    Sin bin for you me lad

  7. Buckagh

    Stacking shelves important job these days, hope these so called low skill jobs get organised and get decent pay and conditions

    You are just an ignorant cunt

  8. MGooner

    Well, Rooney is sincere and conveyed a message from his heart.

    At least he is not a hypocrite. More and more people are showing who they really are and it is good for the world that this happens.

  9. Little Mozart

    Hello guys, this pay cut should be thought out clearly. Martinelli is probably coming from a very poor family and his entire fam probably just starting to depend on him. I’m sure he’s not on big bucks and probably he can’t take a 30% cut. You can’t ask Martinelli to give 30% and someone like Ozil, Pogba, Aguero to give that percentage too. Taking into account how long the’ve been in the business and the amounts they are on. Plus some of them are from very poor countries which have been badly hit too. And therethere ‘communities’ expect them to make big contributions too, at times support an entire village.

  10. R.S.P.C.Arsenal

    Lil m

    If the money is going to the nhs good

    Maybe i5 should be scaled up to 50 g 5 pe4 cen5


  11. Little Mozart

    R.S.P.C Arsenal

    I don’t know how this should be formulated. All i know is that this is all about giving and its probably good to deal with it on an individual basis(just my thought). Coz some players can afford to forego their entire salaries for a month or so while others cant give that 30% without hurting. Take Mane for instance, he’s building a school and a hospital back in Senegal but with this corona around, he’s gonna give even more in the form of food donations, medicines etc while still paying school fees for hundreds of students and funding a bunch of charities too. You cant ask such a man to still give 30% of his earnings too, he can give what he thinks is alright. Lets not punish being rich. Its an art of giving not punishing.

  12. R.S.P.C.Arsenal

    Lil m

    Why football players
    Hit all the people earnin* big money

    But wh6 tho,

    We all pay Ni

    I think it’s harsh to hi5 5h3 footballers

  13. andy1886

    What Rooney forgets (or is too ignorant to realise) is that if the players pay the non-playing staff wages that saves the government millions in furloughed wages. These staff also pay tax, okay not at the higher rate but enough to offset some of what the players would have paid on their additional salary. Instead Rooney and the PFA paint it in the worst possible light to avoid taking any responsibility.

    Then we have the likes of Danny Rose bleating, Kyle Walker acting the twat as usual (no coincidence that they are both former Spuds) none of which is likely to generate much sympathy for the lot of them. Yeah fans have short memories but hopefully they’ve gone too far to be easily forgiven this time. Knob ends.

  14. R.S.P.C.Arsenal


    Me best mate works at 10 , he’s been off for 2 weeks.

    No date for going back yet.

    Who knows to your question tho.

  15. Valentin

    That government policy of herd immunity is now looking more and more stupid and reckless. BoJo admitted in hospital as a precautionary measure.
    That idiot could be literally killed by his own stupid policy: the biggest Darwin award death.

    In the meantime, the grand mother of one my colleague had died and nobody was allowed to her funeral because they have to all self isolate. Having somebody breaking down on zoom during a video conference call while there is nothing you can do except uttering hollow word of comfort was one of the worst experience of my life.

    Also another a colleague is now seriously sick in a ventilator. She is lovely lady without any pre existing medical condition. Her prognostic does not look good. Her symptoms are not improving.

    So stay safe all of you.

  16. Emiratesstroller


    Why do you assume that the Prime Minister is responsible for infecting others?

    The Health Minister went down with the illness at least one day earlier and the Senior Health Officer was also suffering from symptoms prior to that.

    It seems to me that your political bias wants to blame Boris for all the ills of the

    The PM has put himself in the frontline knowing the risk and paid for the

  17. Redtruth

    “‘I was at a hospital where there were a few coronavirus patients and I shook hands with everybody’ says Boris Johnson”

    This is folly of the highest order.

  18. Emiratesstroller


    I read your earlier comments following Keir Starmer’s election as leader of the Labour Party where you describe him as a Tory.

    So everyone who reads Le Grove knows very well your “political” bias. I didn’t
    see you criticising Jeremy Corbyn for sitting on the front bench of the House of Commons notwithstanding the advice that anyone aged 70+ should
    “self isolate”.

  19. Redtruth

    All I can say is thank the lord Corbyn and Johnson don’t see eye to eye otherwise Corbyn would have caught Corona through close contact with Johnson.

  20. Redtruth

    Scientist leading Sweden’s battle against coronavirus says Britain’s lockdown has gone too far as his country allows bars, restaurants and schools to remain open

    By Ian Gallagher Chief Reporter For The Mail On Sunday

    22:00 04 Apr 2020, updated 09:44 05 Apr 2020

    The scientist leading Sweden’s coronavirus battle believes Britain’s lockdown has gone too far and says the UK Government should have stuck to its original strategy.

    Epidemiologist Anders Tegnell, 63, fronts daily press conferences in Stockholm, leaving politicians to take a back seat.

    On his advice, Sweden has allowed bars, restaurants, schools, businesses and sports venues to remain open while relying on its citizens to control the virus through social distancing and good hygiene.

    Epidemiologist Anders Tegnell, 63, fronts daily press conferences in Stockholm, leaving politicians to take a back seat

    Ironically, Dr Tegnell’s expertise comes from Britain – he has a masters degree in epidemiology from the London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine.

    In an interview with The Mail on Sunday, he revealed that Sweden was ‘following’ the UK’s original approach of resisting full lockdown and said he was ‘disappointed’ when we abruptly altered our strategy.

    ‘I am very sceptical of lockdowns altogether but if you ever do them, you should do them at an early stage,’ he added, referring to Britain’s delay in acting.

    On his advice, Sweden has allowed bars, restaurants, schools, businesses and sports venues to remain open while relying on its citizens to control the virus through social distancing and good hygiene. Stockholm is pictured above on Saturday

    ‘At certain times I suppose they can be useful, if you are unprepared and need more intensive care facilities, for example, but you are really just pushing the problem ahead of you.’

    Dr Tegnell, whose measures are supported by the majority of Swedes, said: ‘So far, what we are doing is working. In a sense we are beating it, and I am confident we are doing the best we can in the circumstances.’

    He has received flowers and thousands of emails expressing gratitude. ‘Even my wife got sent flowers to thank her for lending me to the nation,’ he said.

    ‘People wave and cheer when I cycle to work. Never has an epidemiologist been this famous.’

    A temporary intensive care ward opened yesterday in a Stockholm suburb but is not yet needed. ‘We have more intensive care beds than ever,’ said Dr Tegnell.

  21. Dissenter

    This issue does need to be looked at from both sides.
    Football clubs pay lots of taxes and have as much right as any other tax paying entity to use every legal resource to survive the pandemic. The pandemic is devastating the income of football clubs, they have just being slow to recognize this because they are caught up in the delusion that the season can still be ended in the summer.
    If companies in the hospitality industry like the Premier group [hotels] can furlough their workers because the pandemic has wiped them out. Why not premier league clubs?
    Premier league clubs are bleeding income and have to cough up lots of money back when the season, predictably is cancelled.

    It seems callous and mean spirited on the surface to furlough workers but on the business side, any premier league CEO that is not close to furloughing their non-playing staff needs to be on the chopping block. Not considering it openly is tantamount to management malpractice.

  22. Dissenter

    “That government policy of herd immunity is now looking more and more stupid and reckless. BoJo admitted in hospital as a precautionary measure.”

    Actually the unspoken end goal of the whole social distancing is to allow controllable acquisition of herd immunity, that is one that does not overwhelm the intensive care capacity of the health care system

    Until a vaccine prevention is available to expedite herd immunity, passive acquisition will do.

    Boris Johnson just mistakenly said the obvious.

  23. Valentin


    If Social distancing is to allow controllable acquisition of herd immunity, then it should have been the first measure put in place not the last one.
    This is exactly why Sweden louser lockdown system will work. They advised social distancing earlier in their approach. So there is no need for a more severe lockdown.

    Herd immunity is sensible policy if:

    1) there is concrete proof that people who have had the disease can’t catch it again. Until then it is just hope and a prayer.

    2) the weekly number at which people get infected is less than the cumulative number number who can get treated. If people die at a faster rate than the herd immunity is build, basically you are eliminating the people before the herd immunity can kick in.

    When the policy was initially decided none of those two crucial piece of information were known/confirmed.

    Worse we now know from the Italian and Spain disaster and the shortage in mask and other PPE that the second one was never seriously considered.
    As usual feckless BoJo was winging it, but unfortunately this time people died from his reckless behaviour.

  24. Dissenter

    Yea, I’ve aklwayos thought Boris is just a. more refined version of Trump. He’s a disruptor who’s been lethargic in his decision making during this cover-19.
    It’s like he waited for one week to copy other countries, at least he got there unlike the orange man we have in charge here.

  25. Receding Hairline

    Its been a bad few weeks globally. Here in Nigeria we have governments enforcing lockdown with no provision for the many who make their bread from their daily hustle.

    In the midst of all this misery and uncertainty though there has been good news for us, We welcomed a baby girl and she has been in splendid health. Look forward to telling her what was up with the world when she came in.

    Stay safe folks

  26. Spanishdave

    What professional footballers overlook in their statement about short careers is that they earn more in one year than most people earn in 35 years working.
    Therefore in their short careers they get at least ten times more, so they never have to work again.
    Some get more in one day than a nurse gets in one year.
    Greed has no bounds

  27. Dark Hei


    You can tell her some tale bout your hairline too!

    “I got bald while fighting on the coronavirus frontline….”

    Congrats and stay safe.

  28. Emiratesstroller

    I doubt that there is currently a single first team footballer in the EPL who earns less than £10,000 pw [£520K pa] and most of these are likely to be squad players whose playing time is probably less than 1,000 hours a season.

    The only question which needs to be asked is what proportion of that income is being paid out to their “agents”.

    Frankly I do not understand the argument presented by PFA for players salaries not being reduced albeit that the decisions should be negotiated between clubs and players and not by the Football Trade Union.

    This is a moral case at a time of global crisis. How players and clubs conduct
    themselves in current situation will impact on support for the sport and ultimately on football attendances.

  29. Guns of Hackney

    1. Is anyone surprised a scouser wants money from the government? Seriously, these people live for scrounging off the state handout system. If they aren’t stealing, they are begging.

    2. I told you. When you need guidance, selflessness and leadership, football is not where you find it. Footballers are predominantly working class scum, made rich. And with the vast majority of ‘new money’ incumbents, they have very little class.

  30. Major_Jeneral

    RH. Congrats mate.

    My fellow naija it is just for a while. We cannot start to imagine how the the situation will look if there is no form of a lockdown.
    I agree that government must do more for the people in providing palliative to ease the hardship experienced by grassroot citizens during the lockdown.

    Congratulations. Here in Germany , we still have more confirmed cases on a daily basis though

  31. Marc

    There’s some fucking idiot Professor on Sky News right now saying we need to do 10 million tests a day ie test everyone once a week and it’d be easy to do. I don’t criticise the idea as being a way to quickly end the problem but the idea it’d be dead easy is moronic.

    This is why we’ve had a backlash against “experts” in recent years – people who should be able to educate and guide the public at large not make daft comments that just allow the media to scaremonger further.

  32. Nelson

    I am all for the resource of the society better spent. Currently, those star players and their agents are being paid way too much. Surely, they pay more tax. But that’s money coming out from the society. I would prefer those resources be spent in researches that benefit our future generations. As a minimum, we should be better prepared for the next pandemic.

  33. Buckagh


    follow up on Boris Johnsons visit to hospital there were no covid19 patient in the building.

    I wish him, and all the victims well

    not sure the situation in sweden is going to be the correct on time will telle its nearest neighbours have less cases and lower death rates with tighter restrictions

  34. Tony

    Dark Hei
    “Take Rooney to school and complete his education.”

    That still wouldn’t come close to working, especially;y with Coleen telling him what to do.

    Rooney & Coleen could be a classic blue collar sit com and probably better in Mr. Bean format: no words only inane actions.

  35. Tony

    “The PM has put himself in the frontline knowing the risk and paid for the

    Oh right and now Boris the Blowhard now has to hand over the government to lesser people if one assumes (wrongly) Boris was the cream of the crop to be put up for the PM position in the first place.

    Only idiot would support that view ES, so take a bow right at the front in your full dogmatic splendour.

  36. Emiratesstroller


    I know that you in your arrogance like to target everything I say.

    Boris is Prime Minister and he has put himself in the frontline of the threat. What did you expect a leader to do?

    Sit at home closeted whilst the NHS and other essential workers were taking all the risk.

    I doubt that most sensible people in Britain think like idiots such as you.

  37. Spanishdave

    Yep do 10 mil test would take over 100,000 nurses or doctors to do it.
    Experts will take down the toilet with mass unemployment. They don’t care their job and nice pension is still intact.
    Sky journalists are the pits anything for ratings

  38. Mulerise14

    Congrats RH,may the good Lord look keep us all
    …….methinks the players left themselves open to attacks,if they have been proactive in helping out their club,the non-playing staff of their clubs and NHS in general,they would not have such a furore directed at them.Good examples comes to mind;in addition to d examples cited by Pedro,Messi showing true leadership at Barca.
    It is time like this that sepates men from boys…….after this is over- as it would,eventually-we would ask them”when men were men,where were they?”

  39. Marc


    It get’s better he was saying tests should be done at each home in the country – the Post Office visits every home every day so it’d be easy. You just keep testing 10 million a day till the virus is gone.

    If a nurse / doctor could visit 4 properties an hour and each property contained 3 people on average working a 10 hour day that’d be 120 people tested per nurse / doctor per day – you’d only need 83,333 testing 6 days a week every week.

    They didn’t go into the numbers but even Adam Boulton was “are you sure?”

  40. Marc


    I should add that the 83,333 are just going round doing the tests – you’d then need people to do the logistics / organisation, plus the people to actually test the samples on the PCI machines and then someone to advise everyone who tested positive.

    100,000 doesn’t get close – the fucking Red Army wouldn’t have the man power!

  41. Spanishdave

    Wonder if players are keeping fit?
    If things start up clubs need to be ready to go not a month lag while they go through a semi pre season.
    Cedric has had a nice time he’s been paid since Jan and hasn’t played yet.
    Hope he’s fit!

  42. Spanishdave

    It’s just not possible in the slightest.
    Also 90% tested don’t have any symptoms so it’s a fruitless task.
    Let the fit and healthy go to work, and us old buggers can stay at home.
    I need to go fishing and play golf but the fresh air will kill me apparently.!

  43. Emiratesstroller

    For all those like RT and Tony who think that they are the cleverest people on the planet and have the solution to the current Pandemic and political mistakes I would like to point out that the Prime Minister in UK is paid currently £152,000 PA inclusive of MPs salary.

    Considering the level of responsibility that Boris has to take in current situation and the consequences if he gets it wrong that is a pittance for the job and responsibility.

    I would remind you that is less than half the weekly wage of Ozil and less than
    the weekly wage of both Mkhitaryan and Aubameyang.

  44. Jamie

    I doubt anyone is suggesting we send nurses out to every residence in order to conduct the covid-19 test.

    Far more likely that everyone will test themselves at home (like you can for blood-sugar). Take the sample to boots/local chemist/local GP for results. Same applies for a swap test. Swap at home, take sample somewhere.

    We’re months away from that, though, if not a year.

    Sending out medical professionals to every house is a non-starter, and literally makes no sense.

  45. Marc


    Sky news had a Professor of Epidemiology (I think he was from the London School of Tropical Medicine) on who said precisely that – we should test 10 million a day by visiting every property in the country. He not only said the Post Office do it every day but it’d be easy.

  46. Bojangles

    They use a small instrument here that takes a second to test a person. I imagine you could test a lot of people in a day without the need of 100,000 nurses.

  47. Jamie

    Marc –

    He’ll change his position when big Pharma develops an at-home test they can sell (either directly to the public or to the NHS for it to dispense).

    His suggestion is impossible to deploy, but he doesn’t need to think of implementation when he says “everyone in the country needs to be tested in the immediate short-term” from a medical perspective. The logistical engineers will shut him down.

  48. Marc


    He said it’d be easy to do – guy’s a Professor and actually goes on TV and comes out with that. He should be fired for gross misconduct and lose any pension he’s due.

  49. Emiratesstroller


    The recent reports from Spain suggest that the test kits provided by the Chinese were both unreliable and worthless so it is understandable that the British Government are currently cautious in accepting “gifts” from similar unreliable sources.

    The one lesson to be learned from this Pandemic is that Britain needs to develop its own diagnostic industry. That is where Germany has scored in contrast to most other Western Nations.

  50. S Asoa

    There is a need to do a drill of things
    1- no handshakes, kissing or hugs. Tell the other one to f.o. far
    2- practice isolation over the shelf life of the virus. It last longer on hard surfaces
    3- scrub hands with soap or sanitizer very often.
    4- Most important go around only wearing a face mask
    5- make a conscious habit of not touching you mouth, nose, eyes. If you do, scrub hands, rinse nose, gargle with antiseptic

    The Japanese follow this drill and are leading near normal lives.

  51. Jamie

    ES –

    For sure. If there were tests available which were reliably consistent (allowing for a small percentage of false readings), we’d all know.

    There will be some lag from these snake oil products to a genuine and effective test, could be a year or longer, but it’ll happen as sure as I have a hole in my arse.

    It’s a race to the top for big pharma. This is like the Afghan War for military weapons manufacturers. A nice little gravy train for the first one who develops the test/vaccine and secures all the first big contracts. Ironic if it’s a Chinese company!

    “The one lesson to be learned from this Pandemic is that Britain needs to develop its own diagnostic industry. That is where Germany has scored in contrast to most other Western Nations.”

    Completely agree.

  52. Emiratesstroller


    Britain has significant Pharmaceutical and Biomedical Industries including
    some of the largest manufacturers.

    The country also punches well above its weight in Research and Development.

    However, it is clear that there was a major black hole in testing on the scale
    that is clearly required in the event of a pandemic. Two months ago I doubt that there were many Governments in Europe who would have foreseen what
    is going on now.

    What is interesting is that there is no single model or solution in dealing with
    the crisis. Countries like France, Italy operate in a very different way to Sweden and Japan or for that matter Britain.

    My guess is as I posted several weeks ago the “discipline and culture” in a particular country. The Japanese and for that matter German are highly disciplined and methodical people. The culture in those countries is very
    different from in Britain

  53. Marc


    You only have to look at the constant stories of people ignoring the lock down to see the lack of discipline (or is it just lack of intelligence) displayed by many over here.

    I don’t understand how people can not get it.

  54. alex cutter

    “Considering the level of responsibility that Boris has to take in current situation and the consequences if he gets it wrong that is a pittance for the job and responsibility.”

    Even for a boot-licker, you’re fucking pathetic.

  55. andy1886

    Stroller, yes it’s not big money but then Boris doesn’t need the money unlike the millions at the bottom end of the earnings scale who will be by far more adversely impacted by this. Secondly Boris isn’t doing this for the money. He’s doing it because his ego demanded that he got the top job and he was quite happy to stab his old boss (TM) in the back over Brexit to get it.

    Politics is full of wealthy individuals who like to play the game. They are not the brightest and the best by a long chalk and anyone who thinks they are is utterly deluded. Or to put it another way, if Boris is the brightest and the best we are well and truly fucked.

  56. Redtruth


    The Peime Minister was part of the unnecessary Austerity program which crippled the NHS and left many homeless and disillusioned with life…you doughnut.

  57. TheBayingMob

    ” The Japanese and for that matter German are highly disciplined and methodical people. The culture in those countries is very different from in Britain”

    There was a huge mistake made at the start of this pandemic, and that was the statement that 80% of people only get mild symptoms and that certain people in a certain age group were bullet proof. That led to a huge sense of ambivalence and indifference from the British public.

    But overall, when faced with the prospect of contracting a debilitating disease that ‘can’ cause a severe viral Pneumonia regardless of age or health, people will soon get disciplined, it’s going to take some more horror stories of young and previously healthy people getting very sick before that sinks in though.

    We are going to be living with this for the next 12-18 months, face masks and social distancing are going to become the norm, those methods laid out is what will ultimately defeat this virus as was the case in 1918 and it’s going to come down to each one of us to enforce those habits for our own and our families health. It will be a matter of life and death. Big pharma may have some influence, but whatever they have will come too late.

  58. Emiratesstroller

    And 1886

    I don’t think that Boris is half as wealthy as some people on here seem to assume.
    I would remind you that he has just gone through a divorce and by all accounts
    he may well have been taken to the cleaners by his former wife.

  59. Dissenter

    The 1918 pandemic lasted about 18 months
    Even when you adjust for the quantum leap in the understanding of infectious disease, immunology and vaccine technology…this pandemic will last at least 6-9 months. We are still going to have repeated smaller outbreaks for awhile.
    Which is why the premier league is daft to be holding out to a completed season. They have been slow in making age cuts because of the illusory belief that things will be better by the summer.

    In the event that the pandemic is miraculously better … I can’t imagine that broadcasters and sponsors are interested in one quarter of season being played out in empty stadiums. That’s not what the signed up for; the package was good footie with the traditional crowds that go along with it.

    The league has to be careful to preserve the quality of the product too. They shouldn’t offer a measly serving just to finish out the league.

  60. Dissenter

    *They have been slow in making WAGE cuts because of the illusory belief that things will be better by the summer.

  61. Dissenter

    We have a case of a US federal government that can’t provide enough personal protection equipment and ventilators to state authorities in dire need yet they can stock up on on 27 million doses of chroloquine and Hydroxychloroquine.
    Both meds are based on very very weak evidence.

  62. Tom

    In 2013 the Obama administration contracted a small California based medical equipment company to work on designing and building a cheaper, mass produced mechanical ventilator.
    Everything seemed on track until a year later a major medical equipment company bought them out and killed the project.
    And that’s capitalism at its finest ladies and gents.

  63. Tom

    We’ve had Presidents from both parties who were , shall we say, less than academically proficient( Clinton and Obama the clear outliers) but considering both Bush senior and W were just about a C grade students and yet no one tried to conceal their grades, then how bad were the stable genius’ grades and test scores
    that such efforts have been made to hide them from the public forever?

  64. andy1886

    Stroller, I think that you are a bit behind the times regards divorce. These days neither party is financially punished by courts however bad their behaviour, it’s a simple calculation to maintain the living standard of the less wealthy spouse and maintain any children. Sorry, when people are visiting food banks I’m not going to feel much sympathy for Boris. I will concede however that paying maintenance for at least one love child will be an additional requirement.

    @Tom – I did wonder why the academic performance of a man educated at the best and most expensive schools was so difficult to discover. You’d think that the public would be entitled to know just how smart the man leading them actually is but obviously not.

  65. NEEG

    I heard it was a presidential (federal) cancellation and not a commercial decision by the new owners. A lot of things were cancelled in 2015 and again in 2017.

  66. Dissenter

    @Tom – I did wonder why the academic performance of a man educated at the best and most expensive schools was so difficult to discover. You’d think that the public would be entitled to know just how smart the man leading them actually is but obviously not.

    There’s a big part of popular American culture that depends of stupidity. You elect a clown and you get a circus.

  67. Dissenter

    I actually thought the Rooney piece was well written and articulated. There’s a lot of condescension towards footballers.
    The Times were absolutely right to sign him up, his first article dominated the news cycle.