Liverpool’s week just got worse + Best AFC defender of the last 25 years?

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Man, celebs are NOT immune to this bastard disease. It got to Idris Elba! Cannot believe it.

With all this serious stuff in the air, I’ve been pondering whether people need elite daily Arsenal content. Is it a distraction? Am I being insensitive to the ‘real’ news?

I settled on continuing.

It is my duty.

It is your RIGHT.

I WILL NOT let you down.

ONWARDS WE MARCH TOGETHER (safe spacing though, small march, no sneezers)

So until Boris J orders a blog shut down, I’ll be hitting the content harder than Marouane Chamakh hit Vegas that time.

So what have we today?

The FA’s exChief, Greg Dyke basically told Karen Brady she’s a toilet roll hoarder and needs to sanitize her self-serving mouth. Maybe a touch more eloquently, but the warning from The Big G is that the league cannot be nullified because Leeds fans are a bunch of hooligans.

“You might even have to play behind closed doors to fulfil the contracts for the broadcasters, otherwise they are just not going to pay up, and that could mean hundreds of millions of pounds. You may even have to play three matches a week just to get them done.

“I can see if you are a Norwich fan or of a team like West Ham, you might be delighted if the season was cancelled.

“At a club like Leeds, their fans would go nuts. You can also imagine clubs taking legal action, especially the more litigious ones.”

Oof, scary.

I think we’re going to have to see how Covid-19 performs over the coming weeks before we can start worrying about next season, but what we do know, is despite my mum telling me everyone is overreacting, the reality is this is pretty fucking serious and it’s not going anywhere anytime soon.

You know who else isn’t leaving anytime soon?

Gary O to the D.

Liverpool came in for him – which must mean he’s the best in the world – and he told them to do one. This from David Ornstein at the well priced Athletic you should certainly sign-up for:

Impassioned pleas by technical director Edu and head coach Mikel Arteta, in particular, helped convince the former Ireland rugby union medic not to leave. The development is seen across the industry as something of a coup, given the regard in which O’Driscoll is held.

Mikel Arteta apparently convinced him with this line.

‘Gary, you do know Liverpool is like, in Liverpool? No duck pâté with your goat milk latte there, son. It’s Nescafe with a slab of PUT THAT SUN NEWSPAPER IN THE BIN’

All you need to know about the man is that we lost our manager to the disease, but no one else. That’s the sort of defending we could do with in games, take note Mikel.

Not a lot of news today… which means… yep, you guessed it, some hot press from the billionaire playboy of Africa, Aliko Dangote. Football.London has obviously been slipped a few pennies to plant a story that connects a press release about our £650m valued squad, to the African ponying up for Arsenal one day. I like this quote from what he said in Jan.

“It is a team that yes I would like to buy someday, but what I keep saying is we have $20billion worth of projects and that’s what I really want to concentrate on,”

Sounds like a builder giving you the lowdown on when he can get to relaying your drive.

Big Tony Adams has been in the press with some good and some bad noise.

The good:

“He (Mikel Arteta) is doing a great job,”

“I really like the man and his enthusiasm. I am glad he is well and recovered from the virus.

“I have been speaking for the last 10 years about recruitment at the club and I think that really needs to up it’s game.

Then the bad:

“The coach is irrelevant. (Unai) Emery was a fantastic coach but recruitment let him down.

NO TONY! You cannot say the coach is irrelevant whilst desperately trying to get back into the game as a coach. Imagine his interview.

‘So Tony, what can you offer the club?’

‘Absolutely nothing sir’

Deary me. This notion that only players matter is so tired. YES elite players can take you a long way, but so can great training, well motivated player and a powerful vision. Julian Nagelsmann to Hoffenheim from nearly getting relegated to Champions League football in a year. That is not about elite players my friends.

Right, let’s play a game today, give me your fave defender of the last 25 years… in the below format. I’ll put the best comments in a post tomorrow.


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238 Responses to “Liverpool’s week just got worse + Best AFC defender of the last 25 years?”

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  1. Andy1886

    No help for the self employed or people renting from private landlords, two very obvious omissions. And much of the ‘help’ for businesses is in the form of loans. Sadly typical politics, looks good on the surface but dig a little deeper and the picture isn’t so sweet.

  2. Nelson

    Greeting from Canada.!

    Just pick up my old Blizzard game. Tries to remember all the hot keys before i have a chance.

  3. andy1886

    Good for you Un, I’m sure they will appreciate that. My wife is a self employed psychotherapist which is usually a F2F thing, and as expected most clients are cancelling. She rents a premises and unfortunately heard today that one of her colleagues that she lets rooms to has had a client in today who has subsequently self isolated with suspected Coronavirus. I’ll be off with her tomorrow doing a deep clean although the way things are going it looks like she’ll have to shut down for a while anyway. Nothing exceptional but just another example of how extensively this problem will impact us all.

  4. Peter Duncan

    Player: Peter Simpson
    Loved this player who was Arsenal through and through, playing mostly at centre half alongside Frank McLintock. No caps as his era coincided with Bobby Moore, but a mainstay of our team in what were pretty lean years.
    No particular best moment, but he did play in those Fairs Cup runs and our 2-1 FA Cup final win over Liverpool.

  5. G

    Can’t believe didn’t get any backing over Kenny sansom.. Second sol Campbell.. Best moment put us 1 up v Barcelona and I had him as 1st goalscorer

  6. Valentin

    I think that Steve Bould is really been underrated. He never had the charisma of Tony Adams not the dogged defending of Martin Keown, but I think he was the more complete/rounded player of the three. He could defend, but could also distribute from the back.
    I still remember Tony Adams scoring against Everton to get the title. Everybody was bewildered by Tony Adams galloping forward and then the volley was just pure surprise and elation at the same time.
    Martin Keown had the Van Nistelroy confrontation moment of madness, but Steve Bould never had any of these moment and little by little he has slipped away from conscienceness.
    It is the same with Nigel Winterburn and Lee Dixon who are never mentioned when people talk about great fullback for Arsenal. They were not flashy, but they could defend.

  7. Andy1886

    Thanks Un but it looks like that is for registered businesses whereas she is simply self employed. We’ll get by though, will just have to tighten the old belt a bit.

  8. Andy1886

    G: Loved Kenny, more than George did anyway!

    In terms of our ‘best’ (that is truly world class) defender over that period sadly it’s probably Cashley (feels dirty just typing that). Major cock up letting him go.

  9. Jamie

    It’s fair to say that the next biggest worry beyond the physical health of the elderly/chronically ill is the financial impact this is likely to have in the short term.

    I feel bad for those who’s livelihoods are immediately affected, particularly those working in the hospitality industry. They’re the first to go. Worrying times.

  10. Mr Serge

    Big tone got to be

    Hero legendary captain won titles with different managers and teams
    Lead by example

    Fave moment
    That goal and celebration against Everton
    Close second dropping Steve morrow after the cup final

  11. Billp79

    they are bantering around 1 trillion in aid here in US….wont get to people who need it…our unemployment websites are crashing due to hospitality claimants….

  12. Gentlebris

    ‘It’s too easy to get sucked into the rat race and forcing myself to achieve as much as I can and hopefully get an early retirement.’

    That’s the way it should be, comrade.
    Early retirement is really beautiful.

    Rein it in at 50 and give the steering to one of my children while I follow AFC team everywhere they go……a loooooong football holiday. Could be fun. Should be fun.

  13. raptora

    Remember this dipshit that was saying how the virus is made to kill the Asian population and how white people are the “Desirables” and how black people don’t get corona cause there is “HIV”????????????

    Hudson-Odoi, Idris Elba, Blaise Matuidi are just a few of the famous people who got it. Hopefully they all get healthy asap.

    The virus will spread in Africa. Probably like wildfire. And because of the worse facilities they have in a large part of the continent, it will cause the lives of many people.
    Thousands of white people are already dead.
    Thousands of asian people are already dead

    Can’t heal people’s stupidity though.

    We are in this one. Together. All of us.

  14. Marc


    I appreciate what you’re saying but the guy had motor neuron disease. It’s a really serious condition, as sad as it is this isn’t a normal healthy individual who’s died from the virus.

  15. johnno

    Love coming on a football website to get expert opinion on a virus.

    Kenny Sansom was a legend. The first modern full back. Every time i hear that clown Clive Allen on the TV i remember that we only signed him so that we could trade him for Sansom. Know your place Allen!!! Shame Kenny wasted his best years at club pre-Dein that ( as it has been post- Dein) had no real interest in being successful and just signed a few shiny trinkets to play with the dross and keep the dumb fans happy with 5th ish.

    I am gonna say Martin Keown. One – he was a great one vs one defender. Two – he left for more dough and proved he was worth it and came back to play his best football for us. Three – he put the shits up Ruud Van Bellend. Good enough for me.

  16. Tony

    “Basically they are “crowd cowards ” and the sort of people who if they opened
    their stupid mouths to my face thirty years ago would be “hospitalised”.”

    Absolutely hilarious. ES the original ‘Rocky’

    Can see it now a shout from the garden “Adrian can we have some high tea with scones and clotted cream and get the Fortnum & Mason hamper out”

    Silver spoon entitlement at its worst.

    Was thinking about your plight and good to hear you’re still at your best.

    Stay well we need characters like you on this blog.

    Le-Grove conspiracy theorists are the ones clearing the supermarket shelves of tin foil.

    Prisons are releasing low category prisoners how about a Le-Grove bin amnesty?

  17. bennydevito

    So far worldwide there have been 198 thousand cases of Corona virus with 7 thousand deaths. 82 thousand have recovered.

    A pandemic is an infectious disease that has spread across multiple continents and infected a large number of the population.

    From Greek, Pan meaning all and demos meaning people.

    There are nearly 8 billion people on the planet.

    There are 9 million people living in London alone.

    198,000 infected out of 8,000,000,000.

    That is NOT a large number.

    This is NOT a pandemic.

    The media and the governments are LYING.

    Something else is going on here.

  18. bennydevito

    Another great post Pedro,

    Best Arsenal defender for me is Tony Adams for all the obvious reasons already mentioned, however the best defender after him and whose signing excited me the most was Sol Campbell.

    I’d always admired him at Spurs and always dreamed of us signing him. When he was winding his contract down and announced he wasn’t signing a new one with spurs, my manc mate and the press were convinced he was going to sign for them.

    I said to my manc mate I had a feeling he was going to sign for us but he wouldn’t have it.

    When it was announced I was absolutely ecstatic! I couldn’t believe he had actually defected from Spurs to us and rejected Man utd in the process who had offered him more wages. My manc mate was well pissed.

    I went straight out that morning and got my new Arsenal home shirt printed with Campbell 23. I later went to Sainsbury’s in Filton across the road from JJB and was in the queue when 2 guys tapped me on the shoulder and said “blimey, you don’t hang about; he was only announced this morning!”

    I said, “yeah I know, it had to be done as the opportunity to wind up every Spurs fan I walk in front of had to be done.”

    To which they said ” we’re Spurs fans, fair play” and shook my bloody hand! 😆🤣🤣

    Was hilarious.

  19. Tony

    “That is NOT a large number. This is NOT a pandemic.”

    Tell that to the people who have lost loved ones to Covid-19, Benny.

    Are you in support of people partying in bars/clubs, people crammed onto the Underground and concerts still allowed to go ahead?

    Is it ok to leave schools open?

    Not a big number so it’s ok to do so?

    Is it not better to be safe rather than sorry and heed the warnings from the experts very seriously?

    Would you prefer to wait until the infected and death numbers constitute the correct level you feel is worthy of calling a virus a pandemic?

    Lastly, were you in support of the ‘Herd Immunity’ government implementation?

    However, I do agree with you that governments lie and it wouldn’t surprise me if there are more than 55,000 infected cases in the UK alone; the current unofficial number being purported in the press today.

    What’s happening in Italy won’t happen in the UK or other countries who flout health warnings, right?

    What’s your real stance on this Benny?

  20. bennydevito


    Just because by the very definition this is not a pandemic doesn’t mean I don’t care that people have died, doesn’t mean I don’t think people should be careful and doesn’t mean I agree with the herd immunity method.

    But more people have died this year alone from seasonal flu so why aren’t the world’s media and governments going into mass hysteria and quarantine over that?

    And last year?

    And the year before?

    It’s ridiculous.

    Just make everyone wear disposable rubber gloves and face masks and carry on as normal and keep the at risk groups at home.

    I have Asthma by the way so am in the at risk group and I absolutely am not self isolating.


  21. Tony

    Thanks for your thoughts; I was just curious.

    My belief that Covid is going to be far worse than any flu strain before it unless it can be contained by lockdown initially and when a vaccine is ready.

    That’s not backed up by any data, just a gut feeling I’ve since the outbreak in China.

    Be safe from Covid with your family, Benny.

  22. Dark Hei


    As long as you take precautions, I guess you are entitled to your views.

    Appreciate that even though you disagree, you sing along.

    Me and China1 are at ground zero when this shit happens and I can tell you, it ain’t seasonal flu but you don’t need to hear that from us.

    I don’t think you need to isolate; just practise social distancing and don’t do stupid things like go to a Sterophonics concert.

  23. Dark Hei


    Covid-19 belongs to a different class of viruses different from seasonal flu.

    They are in the same class as SARS and MERS.

  24. Tony

    Dark Hei
    That was what initially sparked my gut feeling to look into Covid-19 more when that (SARS etc) was reported early doors in Wuhan.

    I drew my own conclusion that this virus would become a pandemic and kill thousands globally possibly 10 of thousands with it not being inconceivable to kill 100s of thousands.

    My conclusion wasn’t a revelation as many more people were thinking similarly.

    I believe the only real way of killing the virus is for complete lockdowns where there are confirmed infected cases; entire country lock downs if absolutely necessary.

    Keep all flights grounded and ban ships from docking would be the most radical measure, but how Covid-19 is dealt with now by every country will determine the severity of the annual reoccurrences.

    Learning and modifying successful countries’ battles/wins with Covid-19 makes the most sense to me starting with China.

    Right or wrong they are just my opinions.

  25. bennydevito

    Tony, Dark Hei,

    Thanks. Yes, I am very sceptical of the whole Covid 19 pandemic media driven meme, but that doesn’t mean I don’t think it’s real or dangerous to certain groups of people.

    I live in a rural village of Bristol, Chipping Sodbury, which has a very large elderly demographic. I’ve been paying attention to a couple of old people who I see who are always on their own and will be making a point of seeing if I can get them shopping etc, and my neighbours too who are elderly and/or have underlying health problems

    I never let my conspiratorial scepticism get in the way of common decency and concern for others who don’t share my point of view.

    A lot of people are genuinely scared and I appreciate that. My opinion does not mean I’m right.

    I have been taking extra precautions myself; extra handwashing, not touching any doors or public transport surfaces, supermarket doors etc eith my hands, but using my sleeve and elbows.

    I do understand people’s concerns so I’m sorry if I come across arrogant or dismissive, but I see things very differently to most people. That doesn’t make me right or them wrong.

  26. Tony

    Nothing to be sorry for in my eyes, Benny.

    You have it worked out the way you feel most comfortable with, and wouldn’t put yourself in harms way intentionally. .

    Kudos to you for looking out for the elderly in your village.

    Let’s just hope a vaccine can be found sooner rather than later.

    Apart from life, death and suffering the longer this continues the more hardship and misery people are going to suffer through no fault of their own.

    I feel equally sorry for those people as those who experience losing a family member or friend.

  27. Markymark

    Benny – the issue is you’ll have to include the math experts at the London School of Tropical Medicine and I think it was UCH experts of lying. It certainly doesn’t suit the conservatives to piss off their self employed ( very likely to vote con ) supporters. I say this as a Labour Party member.
    Have a look at worldometers the USA rate is going up by roughly a 1000 a day now and diagnosis against mortality is stubbornly keeping to 1.6 – 1.7 ( this does not include undiagnosed) the true death rate appears 10 x higher than seasonal flu.
    Anyway keep well and great to see you supporting the vulnerable. Top man for that

  28. Pierre

    Began with a very aggressive comment aimed at Benny

    “Tell that to the people who have lost loved ones to Covid-19, Benny
    .Are you in support of people partying in bars/clubs,
    people crammed onto the Underground and concerts still allowed to go ahead?
    Is it ok to leave schools open?
    Not a big number so it’s ok to do so?”

    Benny replied (part)
    “I live in a rural village of Bristol, Chipping Sodbury, which has a very large elderly demographic. I’ve been paying attention to a couple of old people who I see who are always on their own and will be making a point of seeing if I can get them shopping etc, and my neighbours too who are elderly and/or have underlying health problems”

    This brought about a remarkable change in Tony’s attitude towards Benny.

    Thanks for your thoughts; I was just curious.”

    Curious? Yeah right…

    Next, we had Tony trying to dig himself out of a hole by going on a charm offensive.

    “Benny, You have it worked out the way you feel most comfortable with, and wouldn’t put yourself in harms way intentionally.
    .Kudos to you for looking out for the elderly in your village.”

    2 faced Tony should be his moniker.

  29. Emiratesstroller

    There have been today experts interviewed on Morning TV from Italy and Germany.

    The Italian expert was a senior consultant from Lombardy Region who has
    more or less concurred with what UK has been doing in not taking draconian
    action and lock down UNTIL the point is reached where there is an acceleration of the virus. If you introduce such action too early it is counterproductive.

    Second both he and the German expert explained that the main problem in
    Europe is that most people have not taken the virus too seriously and have
    until now not introduced self discipline. This applies particularly to younger

    I suspect that one of the reasons that some countries in Asia are until now less
    exposed to the virus is that they have taken it more seriously than their counterparts in Europe on a ‘personal’ level and not because of draconian measures.

    I raised several days ago the anomaly that Germany despite having a relatively
    high level of cases did not appear to have many deaths.

    What has been disclosed this morning as I suspected is that Germany with its
    usual level of efficiency has managed to activate quickly the manufacture of equipment.

    The standard testing equipment which is now being distributed globally by
    WHO was designed and is being manufactured in Germany. Consequently
    they are better equipped to test their population than most other countries in

    No-one argues that the UK is not noted for preparedness before a crisis. However, once there is a crisis they do tend to manage it as well if not better than many others.

    I spoke yesterday to the Senior Scientist at School of Tropical Medicine. They
    are now working since Friday with a skeleton staff. Those members of staff
    who are medically trained are seconded to NHS

    The main problem in UK at moment is not so much capacity although this
    will change when contagion reaches its peak, but the lack of equipment and
    ability to keep staff protected.Hopefully that can be rectified quickly.

    One measure announced this morning is that the Government has booked
    a large number of hotels so that NHS staff can be isolated during this crisis from other members of their family and friends.

  30. Sid

    Raptora, raptora, the “desirables ” was about the point of view of your deep state not mine, and covid19 will not be an issue in Africa even with the worse facilities.
    Go figure why covid19 has more impact in Egypt and not countries deeper in Africa while at it why in Italy not countries that were not invaded or at some point invaded far away lands.

    Im telling you this for free!

  31. Gentlebris

    ‘The virus will spread in Africa. Probably like wildfire. And because of the worse facilities they have in a large part of the continent, it will cause the lives of many people.’

    I’m not sure I get you.

    For whatever reason the virus is not really hitting Africa, but are you praying it spreads in Africa? That it may be known there was no conspiracy? Even when you know Africa might not have the resources to fight it?

  32. moray

    “a large number of hotels so that NHS staff can be isolated during this crisis from other members of their family and friends.

    That’s a good idea as it also serves to support the hotels through the difficult economic times.

  33. Akkimaniac

    Thought this worth sharing here:

    Very interesting article from PBS to explain coronavirus.
    Now THIS is easy to understand!

    Feeling confused as to why Coronavirus is a bigger deal than Seasonal flu? Here it is in a nutshell. I hope this helps. Feel free to share this to others who don’t understand…

    It has to do with RNA sequencing…. I.e. genetics.
    Seasonal flu is an “all human virus”. The DNA/RNA chains that make up the virus are recognized by the human immune system. This means that your body has some immunity to it before it comes around each year… you get immunity two ways…through exposure to a virus, or by getting a flu shot.

    Novel viruses, come from animals…. the WHO tracks novel viruses in animals, (sometimes for years watching for mutations). Usually these viruses only transfer from animal to animal (pigs in the case of H1N1) (birds in the case of the Spanish flu). But once, one of these animal viruses mutates, and starts to transfer from animals to humans… then it’s a problem, Why? Because we have no natural or acquired immunity.. the RNA sequencing of the genes inside the virus isn’t human, and the human immune system doesn’t recognize it so, we can’t fight it off.

    Now…. sometimes, the mutation only allows transfer from animal to human, for years it’s only transmission is from an infected animal to a human before it finally mutates so that it can now transfer human to human… once that happens..we have a new contagion phase. And depending on the fashion of this new mutation, thats what decides how contagious, or how deadly it’s gonna be.

    H1N1 was deadly….but it did not mutate in a way that was as deadly as the Spanish flu. It’s RNA was slower to mutate and it attacked its host differently, too.

    Fast forward….
    Now, here comes this Coronavirus…it existed in animals only, for nobody knows how long…but one day, at an animal market, in Wuhan China, in December 2019, it mutated and made the jump from animal to people. At first, only animals could give it to a person… But here is the scary part…. in just TWO WEEKS it mutated again and gained the ability to jump from human to human.

    Scientists call this quick ability, “slippery”.

    This Coronavirus, not being in any form a “human” virus (whereas we would all have some natural or acquired immunity). Took off like a rocket. And this was because, Humans have no known immunity…doctors have no known medicines for it.
    And it just so happens that this particular mutated animal virus, changed itself in such a way that it causes great damage to human lungs.

    That’s why Coronavirus is different from seasonal flu, or H1N1 or any other type of influenza…. this one is slippery. And it’s a lung eater…And, it’s already mutated AGAIN, so that we now have two strains to deal with, strain s, and strain L….which makes it twice as hard to develop a vaccine.

    We really have no tools in our shed, with this. History has shown that fast and immediate closings of public places has helped in the past pandemics. Philadelphia and Baltimore were reluctant to close events in 1918 and they were the hardest hit in the US during the Spanish Flu.
    Factoid: Henry VIII stayed in his room and allowed no one near him, till the Black Plague passed…(honestly…I understand him so much better now). Just like us, he had no tools in his shed, except social isolation.

    And let me end by saying….right now it’s hitting older folks harder… but this genome is so slippery…if it mutates again (and it will). Who is to say, what it will do next.

    Be smart folks… acting like you’re not afraid is so not brave or wise right now!

    Stay home folks… and share this to those that just are not catching on..

  34. Nelson

    I don’t believe that the games can be resumed normally on 4th of April. Since the TV networks are under a lot of pressure, I can see the games will be played with a closed stadium.
    I wonder whether players are given the choice to stay home.

  35. Marc


    Look I’d love to see football back – I don’t mean for people to attend matches but to be played behind closed doors but players are going to get or be exposed to the virus. For the remaining matches team selections could be massively affected by players in self isolation.

    Can’t see how they can even consider re starting the PL with the current mood amongst people.

  36. Valentin

    The season will not restart until mid May at the earliest even if players behind closed door.

    Next week, the country will enter a period of lockdown for 3~4 weeks. Mandatory isolation means players, staff will not be able to do any team training. Unless players have their own gym at home, they won’t be able to go to the gym, just running on their own in the park/garden.

    Unfit players are at increased risk of injury, so the premiership will not want to resume the season to have half the players out with an hamstring. Before resumption teams will need a 3 weeks pre season training period.

  37. kenyangunner

    We Survived famine
    We survived Ebola
    We survived malarial attacks
    We survived genocides
    This too will pass

  38. Emiratesstroller


    Realistically the season is over and that will also be the case with Tokyo Olympics.

    Does anyone seriously believe that people are in the mood to watch these events with what is going on at moment?

    As some athletes have pointed out how can you train properly in present
    circumstances ?

  39. Dissenter

    You are in self isolation and yet you still talk to so many experts?
    You must have a command center in your home, did you by any chance talk to Mikel Arteta too? 😀
    Stay safe

  40. Marc


    Actually if the population at large were under lock having some football to watch on the tv would be a bad thing!

    People are going to be climbing the walls after a couple of weeks otherwise.

  41. Dissenter

    Maybe the population at large needs to grow up and sad grow a spine.
    Every generation faces a monumental crises of some sorts.
    Having a family in a rich country stay home for weeks with electricity, heating/AC and broadband is not the end of the world.

  42. CG


    “”””No chance of binning Ozil this summer then. Thanks, covid-19!”””””

    I suspect clubs will soon start terminating contracts in the coming months- or at least coming to mutual agreements.They will take their chances in the courts and in the court of public opinion later on.

    The likes of Sanchez being paid £500 000 a week looks completely unsustainable.

    I hope Arsenal stop the severance payment to Emery and his mates ( alleged coaches). That £9 million should go directly to the doctors, nurses and the unsung hospital janitors.

    We should have sacked for him gross incompetence anyway- no severance payment needed.

    I hope they refuse to pay Pepes agents another cent too.
    Money there should be spent on ICU beds instead.

    These players: these agents: these clubs have been too greedy for too long.

    They will now reap the whirlwind coming for their avarice and contempt they have shown the fans for too long.

    Arsenal and all clubs should already have offered their facilities to their respective governments as emergency hospitals , training facilities etc.

    From Emery to Corona- its indeed a Season From Hell!

  43. Nelson

    UEFA has already requested that all domestic leagues be completed by June 30. Note that some teams will lose players after July 1st. I don’t think most of football fans would mind watching the games at home. The problem is whether the players would agree to take the risk.

  44. Jamie

    CG –

    Then Wenger and his cronies should hand back the £17m severance package they all trousered on their way out after leaving us languishing in 6th.

    Think of all the ventilators that would pay for. Selfish, selfish Wenger.

  45. Emiratesstroller


    I am not talking to experts, but I am talking to friends who may have expertise.

    Regarding football I am mostly posing questions or my personal opinion. Whether you or others agree is another matter.

    Frankly I cannot see any short term solution for football. We know already that Premier League is closed until April, but since Government is proposing
    potential self isolation for 12 weeks that would suggest that the earliest that
    football season could reopen is mid June assuming that the Health Service is
    not still in crisis.

    Remember it is a legal requirement that public events need medical and police support. If that is being withdrawn by Government as was case announced on Monday football cannot operate.

  46. Marc


    Really I’ve been of one of the voices calling for calm and common sense – I crack a joke about having a bit of light relief and you’re talking about people growing a back bone.

    You need to go through and re read my previous comments and what you’ve been posting.

  47. R.S.P.C.Arsenal

    The express says that Barca want Auba, do not want to pay cash so..

    We could choose alena 20 yo cb who plays with Saliba, and tordibo midfielder 21yo . Beast of a midfielder they say…

    Anyone know owt about them…

    2for 1 straight swap.

  48. CG


    “”””Then Wenger and his cronies should hand back the £17m severance package they all trousered on their way out after leaving us languishing in 6th.””””

    Well if they never sacked him in the first place or used his services elsewhere in the club- the club would have saved themselves £17 million.

    Problem was- Gazidas, Raul and Vinny were so self absorbed with their own power grabs, they just wanted Wenger out to the detriment of the club.

    Absolute folly to pay off Wenger-Arsenal should have made him global ambassador and used his iconic name to showcase the club worldwide.

    Exactly like FIFA and WHO have and are doing.

    There is only one person ultimately to blame for Arsenals demise and thats Stan Kroenke.

    During his involvement, the club have deteriorated in every aspect. And are getting worse by the week.

    Even now ( this Corana age) have we heard one word from The Weasel to the supporters?

    Post Corona- all Arsenal fans must demand KSE removal.

    We need to start again.

    ps. We are now languishing 9th. So even stale Wenger was better than these dopes in charge.

  49. R.S.P.C.Arsenal


    Injecting levity is a way of life for the English, don’t beat yourselve up about it…

    What u know bout 2 young lads above.

  50. David Smith

    CG, agree, Emery is unworthy of a further penny of the clubs money, but hopefully he is just paid up until the end of this season and not beyond anyway.
    But, those who hired him without due diligence, those who changed policy and allowed him to bring in a very large backroom team, presumably still on the payroll, and in bringing emery in for the first place, compounding the error by refusing to bring in the type of players who Emery would choose ( which may be a blessing in itself when you mull over the names). How someone like Raul could rise to CEO of this club in such a short time is a real concern, one seemingly echoed by the longer standing board members such as Mr Chipps.
    Emery turned out a poor choice for this club, whatever his strengths or otherwise, but it seems some at the club were swayed last minute from Arteta by an agent of all people, that is worrying . I hope the likes of Edu are bringing some good sense to the proceedings

  51. Tom

    Some 80k people have recovered from the covid -19 and since contracting the virus for the second time is highly unlikely, these are the people the PL should turn to to save the season.
    Each PL club gets a random pick of 25 covid-19 survivors who will get paid ten times their regular salary ( sorry Tom Hanks, these are the lean times, you are out) and the total pay packet would still be less than that of one Alexis Sanchez’s.
    The games will be played in empty stadiums for safety but the folks at home will get a CGI version of packed venues.
    Think of the entertainment value of watching folks play a game they might’ve never played before , surrounded by 10 strangers wearing your clubs colors.
    Who wouldn’t want to watch that?
    Think of Carragher’s Norwich 10 :1 Liverpool post match analysis.

  52. Spanishdave

    Why can’t the elderly stay at home and everyone else go to work.
    This is the same as flu with the elderly and if common sense prevails we can avoid this mass hysteria which is being whipped up by the media.
    This is the internet doing its worst allowing everybody to spread fear, which is the real disease we are seeing.

  53. CG


    “””””” How someone like Raul could rise to CEO of this club in such a short time is a real concern,””””””””””

    if that doesn’t tell you how broken the club is, nothing will.

    In times of crisis over the years- you could always count on Arsenal being at the forefront and getting it right.

    Showing class and leadership.

    Nowdays we have Josh, Raul, Edu and Vinny in charge.

    they have not uttered one word.
    or kept supporters informed us about MA condition

    And Silent Stan has allowed all this under his watch.

  54. Spanishdave

    The tourism industry is now wrecked.
    Football clubs in the lower leagues will be wrecked as most f them are now in trouble.
    A lot of grounds are in the middle of towns and will be worth good money for flats and houses so the owners will be tempted to sell.
    People travel the world to watch the EPL and they will not be coming over for along while.
    This overreaction is going to wipe out the economy and people’s livelihoods.

  55. underrated Coq

    Well what are you waiting for Dave? Get your placards and your A4 sheets, march into the open streets and start educating the people against the lies of Govt ,Health Organizations and the media.

  56. GunnerDNA


    “Nowdays we have Josh, Raul, Edu and Vinny in charge

    they have not uttered one word.
    or kept supporters informed us about MA condition”

    Make sure you’re following the necessary precautions to keep yourself safe. You’re probably the only one who wants to hear from all the medical experts you listed above.

  57. Habesha Gooner

    Argh. Why do we need to debate this over and over again. If COVID 19 isn’t quarantined It will kill a lot more than seasonal flu that’s for sure. Every person with a chronic disease will become a target. Elderly people are also at risk because of age related diseases. It has already killed over 8000 people with governments doing their best to treat patients. Why are people trying to downplay it I will never know. You want to find out how much it’s going to kill with a “let it spread, the young will be fine” approach?
    What’s actually hurting now is because countries didn’t take it seriously enough in the first place. They should have taken drastic measures like quarantining the whole country for a few days when the virus first hit or actually quarantining every person who has traveled into their country. Some of the hysteria is bad just like shopping for endless toilet paper but The disease is very real. Don’t be a Dick about it just because it didn’t affect you yet.

  58. Andy1886

    Pierre, not sure why you feel the need to stir things up again after Tony and Benny reached a mutual understanding, anyone would think that you enjoy doing it.

    ES, thanks for your insights but I’ll continue to have a healthily sceptical approach to government pronouncements & policy as well as any ‘in the know’ type briefings from anyone.

    Finally a big up to Un and his community spirit. If there is a silver lining in this it’s that we’ll find out who the good people are and who are the bog roll hoarders.

  59. Spanishdave

    Understated I didn’t say lies you made that up it shows what people are doing.
    Experts like the ones who said the general election was going to be close.
    The Experts who are now over exaggerating numbers to get attention and are pouring oil on the fire.
    Calmness and practicality usually is bettet

  60. underrated Coq

    Dave, they are being practical, calm and extremely clear. Hence the preventive measures now to avoid any potential shit hit the fan scenarios.

  61. CG


    “””””Make sure you’re following the necessary precautions to keep yourself safe.””””

    I will.
    I intend to.

    I’ve been in semi self isolation for about 5 years anyway- since the the last wife was dismissed for insubordination.

    And I hope all my fellow Le grove patients do likewise.

    Meditation, meditation, meditation is the key……and steer clear of reading apocalyptic news.

    Just an occasional listen of Billy Joels- “” We didnt start the fire”” helps too.

    A reminder the world has always been tumultuous- and we have survived.

    I will be here for a good while yet- to inform, entertain,educate & annoy in equal measures but always stating The Truth.

  62. Spanishdave

    What gets me is the country has already undertaken extreme measures to reduce passing this virus around , like never before in our history. We have 2000 cases of which half have been recovered. And yet these idiots are saying 250,000 people Could die. Based on what?
    That scares people and is not calm and collected.
    Barnet have issue redundancy notices to all the staff, many lower league clubs will follow.

  63. GunnerDNA


    “I’ve been in semi self isolation for about 5 years anyway- since the the last wife was dismissed for insubordination”

    I fully understand why you’re like that, be safe Pops!

  64. Redtruth

    A piddling £300 billion given to supposedly help those in need during this crisis compared to the £500 billion given to bail out the banks during the global crash.

    One rule for the rich and another for the rest of us.

  65. underrated Coq

    Dave, Supply and Demand logic works for healthcare too. Except you can’t ‘produce’ medical staff like you might as any other goods.

    About 3% of the people who get this Virus die and this percentage will increase if there is an increase in demand for medical care.

    Which is why Govts everywhere are fighting to keeping numbers manageable.

    Make sense or you still need help?

  66. jwl

    Spanishdave – I think a lot of people are fear mongering because they want to increase their department’s government funding, apocalyptic scenarios make general public afraid and think we should give them all the money they want.

  67. China1

    Spanish Dave if your elderly relatives are unfortunate enough to come close or actually die then the fate of football clubs will stop seeming like the primary priority in your life.

    But hey that’s just me, preferring to have my parents and grandma, you know… alive and safe

    A strange outlook, I know

  68. China1

    I get that people were sceptical about the impact of this virus at first, but with each passing day there is less and less excuse for people not to understand.

    It used to just be a couple of us far away posters out in Asia banging this drum each day and now you have every government on the planet slowly reaching the same conclusions and taking the same measures supported by a general global consensus on how serious this is

    It sucks. It ain’t nice one little bit. The measures taken will cause untold disruption to the lives of almost everyone in the world. But they’re necessary.

    And lest we forget that a highly contagious virus hiding in plain sight with no symptoms for 5 or so days and a 2% mortality rate isn’t the extent of its impact. The evidence shows 80% of cases are not too serious but that means 20% are. It’s not only the deaths you need to worry about, it’s 20% of however many millions end up getting infected crippling health systems across the planet as people are lying in makeshift beds with critical symptoms and on ventilators. Many of those who survive will still have a horrific experience and come close to death even though most will recover. Don’t take my word for it, see what doctors are saying globally…

  69. China1

    Also the whole ‘kids aren’t at risks so schools should stay open’ logic doesn’t stack up

    Kids can catch and transmit the virus even if they are incredibly unlikely to be badly hurt by it. My kid goes to school with a mild case of the virus and unaware. He gives it to your kid. Your kid goes home and a couple of days later has given it to his grandparents etc

    Most of the world has come to terms with this reality, not wanting to close schools is a political point because it’s a massive pain in the ass for parents. But if parents are working from home anyway, most will be able to provide ‘sufficient’ care for their kids whilst working – no kid has been to school in China for months. I have my toddler climbing on my back when I’m writing emails. I’d rather that than him catching the virus at kindergarten and giving it to his grandparents. It’s a no brained in most cases (there will always be some exceptions ofc)

  70. China1

    Also how would you any of you lot be if you were a teacher being exposed to potentially hundreds of children in a single day, on a daily basis, just because parents (who will be at home anyway) don’t want their kids back home and their kids won’t die of it. Not only will the risk to teachers become enormous that they will catch it off one of their students, but it then directly puts the teachers’ household and families directly at risk

    As a former teacher myself, I’m afraid the fact that your kid will be fine if he catches it doesn’t mean I should have to be putting myself and my family at risk. Your kid isn’t more important than the teacher or their teachers family. People need to understand that

  71. Spanishdave

    I am 70 and I have to fly home soon to get further prostate cancer test.
    Don’t know when my wife and I can get a flight.
    At my age a lot of things can kill me but like the majority of people at our age we enjoy life to the full.
    Younger people who have careers will loose their jobs, get minimum redundancy money. I have been through three recessions and this will be the worse .
    I feel sorry for them and you guys here.
    That’s why the calmness in important now, but the media won’t let go.Their jobs are safe.

  72. China1

    Dave all the best to you. I hope you get the test you need soon and you’re all clear.

    Re the redundancies, these have sadly already begun so we can only hope that the increasing government intervention in the economy can salvage something from this.

    I live in hope and I do think the enormous effort globally going into vaccines will bear fruit faster than expected. So many countries are already working on them, China has 8 already on human testing trials.

    Let’s hope for everyone’s sake…

  73. Gentlebris

    ‘I’ve been in semi self isolation for about 5 years anyway- since the the last wife was dismissed for insubordination.’

    We now know the last wife was ‘dismissed for insubordination’, but what about the one(s) before the last?
    What was the charge sheet like?

    How are you anyway?

    SA is not really hit, so you shouldn’t really need more than your semi isolation.

    Be safe, man.

  74. China1

    Un na you can’t say this is a lefties’ issue when you just admitted that your conservative government did less than the bare minimum to manage this in the first months of the outbreak

    Boris has demonstrated that he can take the necessary measures in the public interest as he has started doing so now, so you should be wondering why he wasn’t doing that earlier.

    Its a huge issue but it’s not a left vs right issue. I’m a little left of centre but nobody has championed the need for strong measures on here more than me. And I don’t have any good reason to think Corbyn would’ve handled it much better for the record.

    As for sanctions against China, America might under trump but the rest of the world will not. China is too influential in the global economy for countries in an economic recession as we will soon find ourselves in to be harming themselves further economically to make a point against China. Just or not, there won’t be any time or will within the markets for that kind of thing

    In a weird twist of fate, with China suffering first and recovering first, it may find itself in a strong position internationally for negotiating favorable (for China) trade deals with countries struggling to get out the other side of the financial blow this virus will have caused

    It’s fucked up but very possible

  75. China1

    Another ironic twist of fate is based on the latest comments from the governor of the Bank of England, boris’ conservative government may yet be one of the first in the world to provide a universal basic income in the weeks/months to come. This is Scandinavian level (literally) ‘socialism’ and a long term goal many on the left have been promoting for ages. I wonder if conservatives would reject this so called act of socialism or if they’d think it’s actually rather good after all

    We are just about to enter the twilight zone of politics where left is right and up is down. Hold on to your hats and be open minded for whatever good and bad things we will all learn from this

  76. Valentin


    Jean-Clair Todibo can play as defensive midfielder but by trade he is a CB. He is very talented and like Dessailly can play both role intelligently. He was one of the CBs that I mentioned that was available from Toulouse in 2018. That idea was then rubbished by the same here and then hold behold Barcelona went for him in January 2019. Made him sign a pre-season contract. That pissed off Toulouse so much that they immediately froze him out of the team, so during the same transfer window Barcelona paid TFC 500k to release him six month earlier.
    He was not even 6 month on their book that suddenly they were ready to sell him for 17milions to help fund the purchase of Neymar. Since January 2020 he is on loan at Schalke 04.
    Schalke is likely to exercise their option to buy.

    However if Barcelona can’t afford to pay for Aubameyang, I would gladly take Todibo and a few Barcelona prospects in exchange for him.

  77. China1

    I really hope that people take this opportunity to notice that good policies are not determined by the colour if the tie of the politician who is making them

    Politics has been the absolutely toxic realm where so many people will declare their ‘side’ are the good guys and the ‘other side’ are some kind of evil wrongdoers which is patently ridiculous

    Boris started this situation very poorly and conservatives should recognise this from his constant flip flopping and contradicting his own advice and policies compared with just even a few days ago

    However he’s now starting to handle it more seriously for which I hope labor supporters will give him credit for in time

    Meanwhile if he goes ahead with a potential universal income and it helps I hope conservatives will be humble enough to see that not all socialist policies are bad

    And if he provides massive tax cuts to business to help them stay afloat and bails out banks in trouble I hope the left will appreciate how they might have saved their asses too

    I for one only want to see good policies and leadership in whatever form that may take. Sign me up as a conservative socialist, please

  78. Valentin


    Despite the chancellor trying to pretend otherwise, this is exactly an issue of ideology and left Vs right.
    The question is really about what kind of society people want. It is just that the extremity of the situation forces decisions that people would not consider otherwise.
    The fall of communism and the Berlin Wall created that false narrative that pure capitalism was the only way forward. The market was always right. Government should interfere as little as possible.

    What disasters are now showing that let to their own device, the market will not necessarily work for the benefit of society as a whole. Government has to intervene to smooth thing. There are sectors of activity where market laissez-faire is literally a question of life and death. Price gouging especially of medical supplies is just the most visible abhorrent form.

    The real question is about the level of intervention and the kind of safety net people are willing to pay for.

  79. moray

    @ China

    A universal basic income is something that would have had to be implemented anyway, as the automation of our industries continues. The same is true for limited hour weeks and gvt supported lifelong learning. A mandatory globally enforced reduction in travel, localisation of markets etc. are also measures that would have needed to be rolled out to combat the critical issue of climate change.

    Many of these will no doubt push forward because of COVID-19 and may be the biggest long term benefit of this whole situation. It would be amazing if the UK government had the forethought to be one of the earliest to implement though looking at their past record I doubt it.