The complexity of doing the right thing / Surviving the Covid-19 meltdown

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Well, things are unravelling at quite a pace. No sooner had Arsenal announced that Mikel Arteta had been downed by the cursed Covid-19, Leicester, Chelsea, Bournemouth and City also leaked that they had players and staff being isolated.

The Premier League, facing pressure from all angles eventually did the right thing and announced a suspension of the season until at least early April.

This still felt a bit fantastical, but it at least kept the season alive. Today, the reality is dawning on many that the season has a very, very low chance of seeing its logical conclusion. The UK Gov scientists, whilst pushing their odd strategy of herd immunity, have declared that they don’t think we’ll be hitting Peak-Covid-19 until the middle of June. By then, any hope of rescuing the season will be well and truly buried.

So before we jump into that, the good news is Mikel has told the virus that he is disappointed in it and it’s not living up to his exacting principles of the game.

‘Of course I am disappointed, this is not how we want to play’

He’s beating it into shape and expected to make a full recovery. It’s great to see the world of football fandom supporting his recovery tweets. Look at those numbers man, outrageous.

In Le Grove news, we had our first victim of the virus. Ernest from the comments, we all wish you and your wife the speediest of recoveries. That goes for anyone else, BIG love from this .co.uk.

So back to the Premier League.

This situation could turn into a bit of a debacle for fans, clubs and players.

Settling the League

I think we’re all fairly ok with the idea of handing Liverpool the title. It works out nicely for everyone. Obviously they won, but their fans can never obnoxiously bray about it. Firstly, they won it part-time. Secondly, they were beaten (lololol). They’ll never have full bragging rights because they didn’t finish it from a mathematically conclusive position. They’ve basically won Wembley Doubles on the technicality that the sun went down and there are no floodlights in the park… there’s also a guy in the bushes who looks like a pervert.

Imagine the song:

‘We won the league, we won the league because of Covid-niiinteeen’

The big question is what happens to the positions of the other clubs? Karen Brady has said she thinks they should be given their positions from last season.

‘Suspension or cancellation of the league was always a certainty.’

‘There is no dodging the possibility that all levels in the EFL, as well as the Premier League, will have to be cancelled and this season declared null and void because if the players can’t play the games can’t go ahead.’

This comment stands out more aggressively than a sneezer on the tube. She’s laid her stake in the ground early on. It’s very crass. But if we dig into the reality of what that would mean… it’d take Arsenal to 5th in the league and back into the Champions League.


Am I going to fight this sort of righteous thinking? Absolutely not. I kid, I kid. It’d be lunacy to dumb it down to something like that. Next years football season wouldn’t start, there’d be protests strong than Steve Bruce in that cup game, and a whole host of clubs would file legal complaints. Remember, right now 12th to 5th is only 8 points. You could literally have Everton lodging a complaint here. It might be unrealistic, but on paper, it’s far from it.

How would you decide who was relegated? 20th to 16th is currently a gap of 6 points. That is NOTHING.

Who would tell Leeds and WBA that they weren’t allowed into the Premier League next season? How do you decide the playoffs? 6th to 13th has a miserly 6 points splitting them!

It’s almost too complicated to engage with. You look at the dramz it’d cause, you wonder if there is any way they can cancel the season? Maybe they have to pick it up again. Maybe the entire football calendar globally has the chance to be resynced to something more normal. How would you feel about the season starting in January and running through the summer? I’d be down for it. Let’s fucking do it. Summer football here we come!

The money

Soooo, about the cash/money. Firstly, Arsenal are going to lose about £10m in gate receipts. Then there’s the hefty question of fan compensation. This is a force majeure, no doubt, but there are going to be a lot of fans fearing for their jobs right now, so getting a refund on a ticket they didn’t get full use out of is going to be a top, top priority.

Will football take the route of big business? The Delta CEO has given up his salary. Google are paying their contractors. Most are resisting layoffs (he says after week one). They are all keen to take a stand that keeps their businesses intact / doesn’t leave them hate figures when all this settles down. Will the club ask players to take a hit for the fans? That is a huge question. We’re not in great shape as it is financially, so how we deal with this will be interesting.

… but it gets more complicated. The TV beasts pay for sport. If the clubs don’t complete the season, the cash goes. At the minute, that looks like it could be a further £37.5m per club. That is absolutely huge if you’re any size of club, but damn, think of the small ones. How can Aston Villa absorb such a loss with money committed? Can you really ask media companies to take that on as a gesture? Will advertiser pony up to put their brands against Sky Gold Classics? I have my doubts. Every money challenge you read about has another tied to it. This is not simple.

What would be interesting is this: If TV firms ask for the money back, does that annul the contracts that have been agreed? Then does that open up an opportunity for the Premier League to take a begging bowl to Jeff Bezos or Tim Cook? That could be leverage. After all, Apple and Amazon aren’t getting into bed with content to sell ad space… they also both see the VERY long game. The rundle (recurring revenue bundle) is key to their future. Is there a better way to drive an uptick in recurring subs than Premier League football distributed through their expansive pipes? I don’t think so.

At risk staff

The final concern would be all the folk that help support Arsenal during match days. Are we doing anything for them? They don’t earn a lot as it is, but the idea that these folks have had their finances blitzed, with no other clear way to earn money is quite a nasty thought. It’s also dangerous because they are the sort of people that’ll go to work sick to pay the bills.

… challenge is this: The club is literally bleeding money if all of this goes down the pan. So again, we land in a situation where you have to look to the elite of sport and billionaires to come forward and do the right thing. If I was Josh K, I’d look at this as an opportunity to be the hero, ingratiate yourself with the fanbase, and do something that is absolutely Arsenal class. Look after those vulnerable to the shocks to the economy when times are rough.

Concluding thoughts

I think this situation is unbelievably challenging and extremely complex. I think we have to go easy on Arsenal, because however they handle this, there will be parties that are affected negatively. Regardless, I really hope we take a positive stand and lead the way on doing the right thing, especially with zero hours contract type folk… more broadly, I hope that the entire Premier League can come to a resolution that puts the safety of people first and preserves the league with integrity.

Outside that, I’m going to grab the popcorn (gloved/no sharing) and see how this plays out.

Stay safe, stay distanced, and come back often… I’ll be here daily with words and sounds. See you in the comments x

285 Responses to “The complexity of doing the right thing / Surviving the Covid-19 meltdown”

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  1. Spanishdave

    Marc it’s not bollocks because it’s the six month flu season statistic.October to March.
    Look up the Public Health Stats page 60.

  2. Chris

    By the way Gentlebris I may have picked up an extra packet of rice, stuff like that, one extra of this and that, enough for a few weeks if need be, not for 5 years like some people have been buying. That is in no way helpful to anyone but the shareholders of Kleenex.

    To anyone on here affected by this virus, I hope you and/or your family are well soon and my condolences to Batistuta about your awful news. Stay safe all.

  3. Spanishdave

    Since 2013 the stats are around 25,000 per year . One year it was down to 9000.
    Over the age of 65 for which I am one the flu can kill if you have a heart , diabetes, or respiratory problems. The government do not publish this fact as it has become normal.
    This is a flu type virus no different.
    A vaccine will not give anybody total immunity, no vaccine does.

  4. Spanishdave

    Marc have a stiffener and go to bed.
    I am in the Staes right now and may have to suffer Florida weather for a while longer.

  5. Spanishdave

    No , between 60,000 to 75000 die here each year and it around 500,000 per year world wide from around A billion cases.

  6. DB10s

    @RSPC

    Doesn’t data from other countries suggest china’s numbers aren’t wrong or significantly wrong? Italy and Iran are possible exceptions but look at those places closer to China – HK, Taiwan, Japan and Korea.

    Hell China is probably the safest place now from the virus. My sister inlaw works in Shanghai. They were working from home for a month but it’s pretty much back to normal in shanghai and places outside Wuhan.

    Just practice logical social distancing. I myself have ordered everything I need online, no need for this mad rush to the supers.

    Also there hasn’t been a country in the world where supplies were effected. Just relax and order maybe just 10% extra what you’d normally get.

  7. Spanishdave

    Pedro
    Me me me me me.
    Big problem for football, put Euros off and finish the season even behind closed doors or reduced crowds.
    Its flu for Christ sake

  8. Arteta’s Hair

    Does anyone know how Ernest and wife are doing?

    If the season is over, then whatever they decide will cause chaos and upset as this season more than any other (barring the top position) is very close from 2nd to bottom in pint difference.

    What about those who are on 28 games compared to the majority who have played 29? How would that work!

    CL places, Europa places, Promotions and Relegations – if the season does not conclude with all 38 games played then I will shake the hand of whom can pacify all.

    There is millions of pounds of money at stake and Lawyers who are literally touching themselves inappropriately at they claims that will be made.

    One last thing … has anyone got any loo roll as I went to the Supermarket today and felt I was in old Mother Hubbards house!!!

  9. Marko

    I’m not sure it’s an intelligence thing we just seem to live in an age where people enjoy playing the victim for attention.

    Not sure that’s relevant at all but we’ll leave it in the lefties snowflakes taking over the world pile. Nah I’m going with people are stupid.

  10. China1

    If you run the numbers based on the uk gov plans, they’re quite staggering

    To achieve the UK governments target of herd immunity through 60% of people catching it that would lead to, with a 2% death rate, around 816,000 dead in the UK.

    That’s twice as many brits dead as the British military and civilian deaths from world war 2 combined.

    But the government also mentioned 80% could catch it. That would be around 1.1million dead, considerably more than the entire combined British and British empire colonial dead from ww1.

    Numbers this high would mean that if you are somehow lucky enough to not have anyone in your family die of it, it’s a statistical expectation that multiple of your friends and colleagues will.

    Meanwhile it’s already in doubt that herd immunity is possible from catching the virus since lots of cases of someone appearing to catch the virus a second time weeks after recovery have already been documented

    If the herd immunity plan didn’t work and you had the virus doing the rounds again on people who had already previously caught it and recovered then the death rate becomes considerably higher

    This is what the UK government is now playing with. Meanwhile hundreds of UK scientists have just called the government wreckless for needlessly endangering British lives when stronger containment measures could help bring it under control instead https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-hundreds-of-scientists-accuse-government-of-risking-lives-over-covid-19-plan-11957715

  11. bennydevito

    685,000 worldwide die each year from seasonal flu yet we don’t see the world descend into mass hysteria, quarantine and lockdown so why now?

    I should have been in London today for the 9th year anniversary Syrian Revolution march but it got cancelled. The police and the health authorities said it could go ahead but my Syrian friends who organise it each year didn’t want to be responsible for anyone potentially getting ill from a large public gathering so decided to postpone it for now.

    I guess it was the sensible thing to do under the circumstances. The founder of the Syria Solidarity Campaign, Abdulaziz Almashi, rang me up Thursday night to tell me in advance of their announcement. Some of the Syrians wanted it to carry on but the majority didn’t want to anger the British public or be accused of being irresponsible.

    Anyway, it sucks when the football’s not on, soooooo boring.

    Thanks for doing the podcast Pedro, I shall give it a listen to now.

  12. China1

    Re football, I wonder if the least bad option, (frankly I don’t think there is anything close to a good option) might be to wait until June when the situation will be under control (assuming people start isolating more and/gov enforces it) then the remaining league fixtures could be played behind closed doors with two matches per week. I can’t remember how many games are left but it’s only about 10 right? So finished in 5 weeks.

    It’s not fair, you lose home advantage if you don’t have your fans etc, but I’m not sure what would be better than that arrangement. I’d back it.

    I am also assuming and expecting all international football gets cancelled.

    So this arrangement would involve a lot of ifs buts and maybes but could potentially be a thing.

    Football like every other industry could also implement precautionary measures during training as well. For example tests for the entire squad and management every 3 days. Constant monitoring for symptoms at the start and end of training. Training drills could stick with ones that involve at least a couple of meters space between the players. Don’t allow all the players to shower/change at the same time and so on

    We’ve taken similar measures in my office where those who could work from home were required to. Those who has to come to the office were hugely already apart, the office gets disinfected about 3 times per day and so on

  13. China1

    Benny 685,000 die globally out of almost 7 billion people from flu each year

    800,000 would realistically die in the UK alone out of 68 million in order to achieve their target ‘herd immunity’ which is also not confirmed to even be possible yet

    The comparisons with flu need to stop. Corona virus is around 20x more deadly and it’s also more contagious and harder to track and treat and we don’t have a vaccine.

    Its much much worse than flu

  14. bennydevito

    China,

    Is it though? Is it worse than flu? It is a flu.

    Most people who have caught it have recovered. Neil deGrass Tyson the astro physicist thinks it’s a massive experiment to see if the public trust science and follow instructions.

    In October the elites had a meeting headed by Bill Gates who now works in the health and vaccine industry, and discussed the possibility of a pandemic. Then in November the first case of corona virus breaks in china.

    How coincidental….

    They ran a simulation that predicted 65m people will die.

    I think it’s a test run, a drill, and a much bigger virus will be released sometime soon down the line.

    Going along with climate change they want to depopulate the planet as a solution. A virus is very convenient.

    In 1981 Dean Koontz wrote a ‘novel’ called the eyes of darkness. It was about a pandemic called Wuhan 400…

    The date 2020 or 20 X 20 = 400.

    The virus official name is ‘novel’ covid 19.

    All a bit weirdly coincidental if you ask me.

  15. rollen

    its about 0.1 %. most healthy ppl don’t even have symptoms. Stop panicking and stay safe. Panic even at costco Vancouver today.

  16. bennydevito

    Pedro,

    My 2 biggest transfer miss regrets are Brian Laudrup and Eden Hazard.

    I remember George Graham wanted him and it was reported on the back of the Star that it was a done deal but it never happened.

    2nd Eden Hazard. He wanted to join us from Lille and Wenger was asked about it and was told that Hazard’s dream was to play for us. Wenger replied with “let’s make his dream happen”.

    We signed Gervinho.

    Those 2 aside, not re-signing Cesc Fabregas with the buy back clause. What a fuck up.

  17. bennydevito

    rollen,

    Lol! I’m well into Illuminati stuff man, fascinating.

    I personally think David Icke is controlled opposition to make the truth movement look stupid.

    The royal family are shape shifting lizards? Ridiculous.

    I did meet Bill Cooper though in 1991 who wrote behold a pale horse. He told me HIV/AIDS was a manmade virus to kill off Africa.

  18. Tony

    Wow! Le-Grove is pretty much back to its vociferous best of the past Wenger days here.

    ES
    You are probably the biggest ‘Pop Up Expert’ of this blog mostly in the most condescending way with your “as I wrote’ and variations of “I know better than you”.

    Regarding the government and Boris I have to say far more wisdom is coming from China1.

    I mean politicians never lie, right?

    They never have their own agendas above the populous’ needs, right?

    The fact that Boris flip flopped backtracking within 24 hours of his first action plan tells you all you need to know; the UK government have no idea what to do and leaving schools open is scandalous for the kids’ and teachers’ welfare.

    The WHO and China (country) have no idea what they’re talking about when they debunked Boris’s plans for herd immunity that has no substance regarding a virus no-one fully understands or has a metric to go by.

    I wonder who you would blame if immediate family members suffered as a result of your precious government’s inactions and likely disastrous implementation of ‘Herd Immunity”, which I sincerely hope doesn’t happen.

    The government is scrambling to look good and cover up their glaring mistakes of the last 4 weeks. Add to that the 1 trillion or similar budget that, from what I understand can ill afford to spend is just farcical.

    I mean the NHS has been disintegrating over the last 2 decades and now they want to pump in £40 billion or some such figure, citing they are giving the NHS a blank cheque.

    Did your wife go to a private hospital for her knee operation? If so, why private?

    I don’t mean to be discourteous, but your Churchillian views are as dead and outdated as Churchill is, but I can’t help seeing you as the Captain Mainwaring of Le-Grove and we are all the ‘Stupid Boys’ in your eyes sitting in your garden replete in Panama hat and cream linen suit sipping your Pims.

    The question I would ask you is should a potential of 800,000 people die when there is no proof that a herd immunity is going to work, especially with mutations that already exist against a virus the rest of the world are scrambling to understand?

    Ernest
    Wish you and your family a speedy recovery and look forward to your future posts and keeping Pierre in line. You have a job for life there.

    Un
    Good to hear your family are recovering.

    Marc
    Probably the best Le-Grover at throwing curve balls into the mix.

    Marko
    Making sense as he generally does.

    Charlie
    Great response to Gentlebris.

    China1
    Always enjoy the voracity of your posts and counter arguments. You can be like N5 on steroids.

    BobN16
    Good to see you dodged a viral bullet from the last game.

    Gentle
    No not a sad person, quite the opposite in fact.

    Like Charlie I have no issue regarding yours or anyone’s religious beliefs so long as they are kept to within their lives.

    I follow a simple rule that keeps my moral compass mostly in the right direction and run my life by Karma and not doing to others that I wouldn’t want done to me or my loved ones/friends.

    Simple really with no need for a crutch or yearning to be part of deity or higher being crowd. Christianity to me is like an extended cult.

    That said, might have been a good time to be around in the Caligula days.

    The Knights Templar and Saladin all make interesting reading, as does the true origin of Friday the 13th.

    I just don’t see Le-Grove as a ‘God Squad or Jesus Loves Me Brigade’ vehicle for your religious views; I don’t wish to denigrate you as a person as I don’t know you – only what you post!

  19. bennydevito

    Pedro,

    My 2 favourite goals have to be Bergkamp’s hattrick goal away at Leicester and his goal against Newcastle where he did that flick and pivot.

    My favourite 2 kits are the original bruised banana I still have and the away kit 2007 that was maroon and purple striped with gold trim.

  20. Johnno

    Wow. Football’ been gone for a day and there’s already some proper bat shit crazy stuff on here. Fantastic!!!

    Talking of science experiments- I am going dark now and coming back in 2 weeks to see where the lab rats on here are at. Gonna be fascinating. My guess is it will have turned in to Lord of the Flies.

  21. Emiratesstroller

    Tony

    You are beginning to talk tripe and listening too much to Corbynistas.

    1. The NHS is the world’s largest health provider and represents the largest
    spend by a country mile of any Government Department in the UK.

    2. It employs 1.6 million people exceeded by only Chinese and US armed services in public sector. It is larger than the Indian Railways.

    3. There is no known cure for the virus and so inevitably there are going to be
    a multitude of solutions. Frankly everyone is right and no-one is right in the
    current situation.

    4. Boris Johnson has rightly relied on the senior medical and science officers
    for advice. It remains to be seen whether the impact of Coronavirus is better
    or worse in UK than elsewhere.

    5 Until now the UK is behind Italy, France, Germany, Spain,Switzerland and
    Holland in the curve. That is notwithstanding that many of the earliest cases
    were diagnosed first in UK.

    6.Everyone has an opinion as to who is to blame for what is going on. Since this
    is a highly contagious virus the best option for ME is to as far as possible self
    isolate and take “personal responsibility” for situation. Frankly in London that
    is very difficult to achieve.

    7. Finally the Government knows and Boris has made clear that there is very
    little that the Government and Medical Professional can do if the virus goes
    out of control. So blaming him because you don’t like his politics is plain daft.

    Bluntly I am not condescending, but just trying to be realistic and sensible in what is a global crisis.

  22. Emiratesstroller

    One further point.

    Britain is rated one of the most important centres globally for medical and biomedical research.

    So the idea that this country is less well equipped to handle situation than others
    is ridiculous.

  23. Samesong

    Some very sound advice here regarding corona virus… From a young researcher who had been transferred from Shenzhen to Wuhan to collaborate with the task force that is fighting the coronavirus epidemic, we receive and willingly transmit to all of this clear, simple and accessible information, which describe exactly what it is. the virus, how it transfers from one person to another and how it can be neutralized in everyday life.

    Corona virus infection does not cause a cold with a dripping nose or catarrhal cough, but a dry and dry cough: this is the easiest thing to know.

    The virus does not resist heat and dies if exposed to temperatures of 26-27 degrees: therefore often consume hot drinks such as tea, herbal tea and broth during the day, or simply hot water: hot liquids neutralize the virus and it is not difficult to drink them. Avoid drinking ice water or eating ice cubes or snow for those in the mountains (children)!

    For those who can do it, expose yourself to the sun!

    1. The virus crown is quite large (diameter about 400-500 nanometers), therefore any type of mask can stop it: in normal life, special masks are not needed.

    On the other hand, the situation is different for doctors and health professionals who are exposed to heavy virus loads and have to use special equipment.

    If an infected person sneezes in front of you, three meters away they will drop the virus on the ground and prevent it from landing on you.

    2. When the virus is found on metal surfaces, it survives for about 12 hours. So when you touch metal surfaces such as handles, doors, appliances, supports on trams, etc., wash your hands well and disinfect them carefully.

    3. The virus can live nested in clothes and fabrics for about 6/12 hours: normal detergents can kill it. For clothes that cannot be washed every day, if you can expose them to the sun and the virus will die.

    How it manifests itself:

    1. The virus first installs itself in the throat, causing inflammation and a dry throat sensation: this symptom can last for 3/4 days.

    2. the virus travels through the humidity present in the airways, descends into the trachea and installs in the lung, causing pneumonia. This step takes about 5/6 days.

    3. Pneumonia occurs with high fever and difficulty breathing, it is not accompanied by the classic cold. But you may have the feeling of drowning. In this case, contact your doctor immediately.

    How can you avoid it:

    1. Virus transmission occurs mostly by direct contact, touching tissues or materials on which the virus is present: washing hands frequently is essential.

    The virus only survives on your hands for about ten minutes, but in ten minutes many things can happen: rub your eyes or scratch your nose for example, and allow the virus to enter your throat …

    So, for your own good and for the good of others, wash your hands very often and disinfect them!

    2. You can gargle with a disinfectant solution that eliminates or minimizes the amount of virus that could enter your throat: in doing so, you eliminate it before it goes down into the trachea and then into the lungs.

    3. disinfect the PC keyboard and mobile phones

    The new coronavirus NCP * may not show signs of infection for many days, * before which it cannot be known if a person is infected. But by the time you have a fever and / or cough and go to the hospital, your lungs are usually already in 50% fibrosis and it’s too late!

    Taiwanese experts suggest doing a simple check that we can do on our own every morning:

    Take a deep breath and hold your breath for more than 10 seconds. If you successfully complete it without coughing, without discomfort, a sense of oppression, etc., this shows that there is no fibrosis in the lungs, indicating essentially no infection.

    In such critical times, do this check every morning in a clean air environment!

    These are serious and excellent advice from Japanese doctors who treat COVID-19 cases. Everyone should make sure that their mouth and throat are moist, never DRY. Drink a few sips of water at least every 15 minutes. WHY? Even if the virus gets into your mouth … water or other liquids will sweep it away through the esophagus and into the stomach. Once in the belly … Gastric acid in the stomach will kill all the virus. If you don’t drink enough water more regularly … the virus can get into your trumpets and lungs. It is very dangerous.

    Share this information with your family, friends and acquaintances, for * solidarity and civic sense * !!!!

  24. Emiratesstroller

    Tony

    In response to your question about my wife’s operation. She had it done on national health. This was her second operation as she had the other knee done
    in February last year.

    I don’t do private health. I consider the NHS the best health system in world
    particularly for critical illness.

  25. Tony

    ES
    You’re entitled to your opinions and as you were with your ‘follow Saracens model’ and look how that ended up.

    NHS best in the world? Sorry ES you are both deluded and by the look of it becoming senile or just dogmatic in your views.

    Thailand is considered the top medical tourist country in the world.

    No waiting time to see doctors and appointment times generally adhered to.

    You choose your Dr from the lists and from their education and medical experience.

    The 3rd world country hospital that gave my father a triple bypass when the NHS sent him home to die with a few bags of pills.

    We (Thailand) are much closer than the UK to Wuhan and yet we only have 94 reported cases because Thailand has put the right steps in place to contain Covid-19 from when it first made the news. Funny that Bangkok was reported to be the most likely city to be infected.

    Doesn’t say much for the UK , does it?

    Best we keep to our own lanes in future where by not reading your posts, I won’t feel the need to vehemently disagree with you.

    You seem to scream like a stuck pig to Pedro when people lambast your mostly condescending, boring and repetitive views; RedTruth being one who you wanted binned time and again.

    For you it’s the world according to ES – you know the one that’s aways right in your blinked way.

    What an odd fellow you are and just the type of stiff upper lip inflexible Brit I was extremely happy to leave behind some 20+ years ago.

    Carry on Captain Mainwaring the stage is all yours.

  26. Gentlebris

    ‘I just don’t see Le-Grove as a ‘God Squad or Jesus Loves Me Brigade’ vehicle for your religious views; I don’t wish to denigrate you as a person as I don’t know you – only what you post!’

    (1)I come here for AFC football. Yes, I was talking about Christ here couple of days ago, but just because I see the world with the kind of eyes you don’t have and I feel these times call for the deepest contributions we can all make; if it comes to citizens of this planet donating money or other material things to the cause of fighting covid-19, by God’s Grace, I would do; but the best I could give is what I gave here two days ago: Christ.

    (2)Let me tell you what I told CC, my reality is different from yours. Your reality is formed from your experiences and encounters since you arrived this planet, mine is formed from mine. I have not mocked yours, but only stated mine in contrast to yours, why do you seek to mock mine? To the extent of contemplating denigrating my person?

    (3)Pedro is clearly not pleased about these discussions on his blog, so may we go back to AFC football please?

  27. Tony

    Sorry to hear that Bob and hope it clears up soon.

    Thankfully we have the Internet to entertain us (streaming) and books to read.

    Probably means we have to listen to our wives more, but that’s better than getting Covid-19. It is isn’t it? lol.

    My son is going to teach me to play guitar as well, so plenty to get on with, as well as training in the gym with him and my wife who isn’t away each week in SE Asia and Europe on business until the pandemic is well under control.

    I can imagine it’s tough for you as it’s a way of life for you for so many years with your friends at games and in the pubs.

    Oddly, I’ve just been to our local mall and international supermarket where the shelves are full and people are all keeping their distance from one another and being tested at the many entrances on entry.

    Let you know if that worked out ok in 14 days time.

    Hope you, your family and all Le-Grovers stay healthy from the pandemic.

  28. Tony

    Gentle
    Enjoy your life and beliefs and more to the point be healthy doing so.

    I’ll mock no more and skip any religious posts you make. I normally enjoy most your all things Arsenal posts.

    Apologies if I offended you.

    Time to move on from that.

  29. Andy1886

    Can the ‘Boris is right’ mob explain why China seems to have controlled their outbreak using the methods he has rejected despite having a far larger more rural population and a significantly poorer health system?

    Also I’m no fan of Trump but how is it that the US are promising free tests for all citizens while the UK will only test those hospitalised? Trump also announced that everyone affected will continue to be paid (funded by government supporting businesses) whereas Boris has graciously decided that people can get statutory sick pay of less than £100 a week to survive on.

    Oh, and the roles of Chief Scientific Officer and Chief Medical Officer are political appointments, these are not the brightest and best scientific minds by a long chalk. Reminds me of the retort in the film ‘Armageddon’ “do you want to put the fate of the planet in the hands of a man who got a B- in Astrophysics?”.

  30. Un na naai

    Greatest goals
    We have so so many.

    For pure skill it has to be Henry waassssup vs untied and bergkamp vs Newcastle in 04
    Kanu vs Chelsea is up there
    Kanu vs boro is up there
    Kanu vs deportivo is up there

    For importance.
    Campbell in the 06 final
    Henry vs Liverpool at Highbury to keep the unbeaten run going
    Danced though their defences
    Henry vs Madrid in the Bernabeu
    Overmars at old Trafford was a watershed moment and the beginning of our best ever era
    Rvp in the 5-3 vs Chelsea was immensely satisfying

  31. Bob N16

    Cheers Tony, I’ve half a mind to start learning the piano, as I type this our piano is almost taunting me to give it ago!

    Anybody else see the irony in Johnson now relying on experts whereas when Brexit was being argued, experts were scorned by him and his cronies.

    Andy1886, the CSO and CMO might be political appointments, I’ve no idea, but I’d assume that they would have the common sense to gather as much advice from all the relevant experts before deciding on a suitable approach.

    Am I being gullible?

  32. Un na naai

    Anybody else see the irony in Johnson now relying on experts whereas when Brexit was being argued, experts were scorned by him and his cronies.

    Bob
    Experts with an agenda. They were compromised by their anti british, self loathing belief system.
    Regardless the people voted for brexit 4 bloody times!!
    Did you really expect him to make those promises and then turn his back on the majority of hard working brits who wanted an end to free movement and eu control?

  33. Bob N16

    I’m not getting into a discussion about Brexit Unai, suffice to say half the country went with Johnson on it and the other half of the country didn’t. Talk of a ‘majority of hard working brits’ doesn’t really bear scrutiny!

    My point was that politicians pour scorn on experts who provide contrary positions to their own and choose to ignore them if it suits their agenda . Right now, experts should not and cannot be ignored.

  34. China1

    Cheers tony!

    It looks like the government is now walking back the extreme comments and starting to pivot towards more meaningful action. It’s not there yet and there’s more to do but I’m very fucking thankful. I will gladly give Boris and chums credit if they do a solid job on this after a rocky start. There’s absolutely nothing that will make me happier.

    I was lucky that things were brought under control in China but what I think are/will see now in the UK is democracy doing its job properly there. The gov plan didn’t make sense and the supposed science behind it wasn’t backed up by any kind of international evidence or agreement. Now after a lot of public questioning from the press and hundreds of top UK scientists saying the very same and asking to see what the scientific basis is for all their projections and policies, the government is starting to pivot step by step towards more meaningful action.

    The UK press are holding the gov to account and they won’t be able to just say ‘because we said so’ or ‘because science’ like they have up until now.

    I don’t expect or ask the UK to follow Chinese measures point for point I will just be happy if the UK has its own strong, logically sound measures that target prevention first and foremost. I think we will get there step by step in the coming one to two weeks and if that is the case I will be extremely relieved. The media won’t let this process remain opaque any more

  35. Sid

    People staying indoors = more badoink badoink which means less tension, a happier world, theres always positives in all situations

    You heard it here 1st

  36. Andy1886

    Bob, political appointees always come to the conclusion that suits their political masters. Which might explain why their conclusions differ from just about every other single leading expert in the field advising other governments. Unless you’re arrogant enough to think that the British are right and everyone else is wrong.

  37. Useroz

    Just look at the fatality rates if people still harbouring thoughts that Covid is just the flu

    Death toll from Covid would have been huge if similar number of people catch it like the flu.

    The apparent drastic measures countries put in place are attempts to halt the spread due to Covid’ highly contagious nature so that we hopefully won’t see these tolls.

    A medical report early March says that the original Covid mutates to two strains one of which is super contagious.

  38. China1

    Whoever said Henry vs man utd yeah that was one fucking hell of a goal

    Not many players can trademark a goal but I don’t think I can imagine any other player in history scoring that goal. It was the embodiment of Henry in much the same way the bergkamp Newcastle goal (best goal of all time imo) is ‘the one’ for him even more so than perhaps the one for his national team and the identical one against Leicester

  39. Guns of Hackney

    China

    As good as those were they are still far behind the Van Basten volley and Maradona’s dribble.

    The Bergkamp goal was also better than TH. way more skilful and technical.

  40. China1

    Un na is Kanu vs deportivo the one where he puts the keeper on his ass without touching the ball? Because that goal was one of the sickest things ever

  41. Valentin

    Historically government used the foreigners and/or the liberals as scapegoats. However for a crisis like that usual trope does not work. So in a crisis like the COVID-19 government incompetence and complete lack of leadership and accountability is being shown up.

    Making things as they go along. Pretending to follow scientific advices when the same scientists are now publicly challenging the decisions taken in their name.

    It is the same in the US, the UK. Italy has had a wake-up call, but complacency was their initial response.

    In the UK I expect the government to introduce a full lockdown within 2 weeks. Later that most countries. The advantage of being an island being negated by Heathrow acting as a Hub for air transport and British people travelling further and in greater quantity than most other European countries.

  42. Emiratesstroller

    Tony

    1. Please quantify what I said about Saracens which is incorrect.

    2. I have not expressed an opinion on what should be done to control virus as
    many others have done. All I have said is that the virus is out of control with no
    antidote. I have said what I am doing on a personal basis.

    3. I agree with the way that the Government is taking advice from medical and
    science experts. For the record the South Korean Foreign Minister has been
    interviewed on Andrew Marr show and what they appear to be doing is not
    diametrically different from British Government. The only major difference
    is the number of tests.

    4. I get aggravated reading posters making comparison between Britain and what other countries are doing. Asia is a very different environment and
    culture than this country. Singapore is a small city state of 5 million population and has had more cases than Britain.

    5. If you want to make a comparison do so against performance of Britain and
    Europe. Britain for record had earlier diagnosis than Italy to the problem. Yet
    Britain’s current outcomes are much lower than Italy, France, Germany and Spain. Switzerland which is one of the world’s richest countries has far more
    positive cases and deaths than us per capita.

    6. I don’t know much about Thailand but I am pretty sure that its NHS does
    not cater for an entire population on the scale of Britain. By all accounts it
    depends on where you live.

    Finally I have had enough reading about politics and coronavirus on Le Grove.
    This is supposed to be a football website!

  43. Valentin

    With government lockdown and the cancellation of most spectator activities (sports, music, art, …) there will a spike in birth in 9 months time. However there will also be a spike in divorce after the crisis.
    Being locked up with your partner without any mechanism of escaping them will bring a certain number of couples beyond breaking points.

  44. China1

    Guns my take on goal quality is probably a bit unusual, because I tend to rate the most uniquely simple goals as some of the most impressive

    Like that bergkamp Newcastle goal is for me better than the Maradona run in part because it was just impossibly simple whilst also unique. There are several incredible goals where a player ran through an entire team and scored and even a carbon copy from Messi.zlatan had his own unreal equivalent when at Ajax too (unreeeeeal goal).

    But bergkamps was that good whilst involving so little. That’s magic

  45. Guns of Hackney

    No one is fucking when they’re at home locked up scared about a Miley.

    It’s Sky box sets and biscuits.

  46. Guns of Hackney

    China

    Nice validation. I think one has to weigh up the opposition, the gravity of the game, the stage etc before judging.

    Van Basten was against USSR in a final.
    Maradona v England in the World Cup 1/4.

    Messi goal, while similar was against pub footballers. I see kids do that in the park every day.

  47. China1

    Was van basten volley the one miles out on the right by the touch line where he runs in without breaking his stride and rockets it in?

    That was really unique too even after all this time

  48. Guns of Hackney

    China

    Exactly. Cross from left and MVB absolutely 100% goes for goal from almost the touch line. Truly great from an all time great.

  49. R.S.P.C.Arsenal

    Hear hear

    Es

    Sense spoken at last….

    All we need is China to tell the truth as to why they started this.

  50. Tom

    Also I’m no fan of Trump but how is it that the US are promising free tests for all citizens while the UK will only test those hospitalised? Trump also announced that everyone affected will continue to be paid (funded by government supporting businesses) ……..

    ————-

    Andy,
    Trump is in a full on save the presidency mode right now and will say and promise anything.
    He also said not everyone should get tested and that they should follow their physician’s advice.
    Good luck with that since over 50% don’t have one and testing kits still aren’t broadly available.
    The best thing Trump’s got going for him is that the Democrats are willing to do everything to mitigate this crisis even if it helps this cretin politically in the end.
    Case in point: Trump asked Congress for 2.5 billion in emergency funds, Democrats said it wouldn’t be nearly enough and offered a lot more.
    Had the shoe been on the other foot like, say ,in 2009 ,when Obama asked Congress for a stimulus package and Republicans gave him less that was needed, you just know politics would have been heavily involved this time around again.

  51. Un na naai

    Bob
    We had the referendum
    Teresa May was voted in when she and labour promised to deliver brexit

    Then landslide brexit party win in eu elections
    Then landslide Tory win in general election when it became clear they were the only major party committed to delivering it
    Even the north deserted labour to vote for Tory

    So yes
    It does bear scrutiny

  52. Uwot?

    Abandon this seasons fixtures.start afresh next season & DO N OT on any account award the title to the scousers.please refer to earlier posts for clarity on this decision.Thank you & good day.

  53. Un na naai

    China1March 15, 2020 10:06:38
    Un na is Kanu vs deportivo the one where he puts the keeper on his ass without touching the ball? Because that goal was one of the sickest things ever

    China
    Yes
    That’s the one

  54. Bob N16

    On a positive note for Tories everywhere, the Government has now got a second scapegoat, after those nasty, intransigent EU negotiators make a properly realised Brexit impossible by 31st December.

  55. Tom

    Un
    Democrats are a joke because they bring a knife to a gun fight.
    A plastic knife at that, or even worse, a KFC spork at times.

    You don’t know what you’re talking about.
    Trump won with 70k votes spread over three swing states, and in the absence of strong economy, which is now more than likely to be the outcome of the global pandemic, his chances in November are less than great.

  56. Andy1886

    Tom, says something about the British voter that while Trump feels at least some need to throw the plebs a bone or two Boris feels he can do what he wants with impunity.

    FYI the Coronavirus is NOT a flu virus, it’s from the same family of viruses that cause the common cold but unlike Coronavirus don’t usually affect the lower respiratory system. So comparisons with flu are pointless.

  57. Guns of Brixton

    Day 1 of no football:

    Had to spend time with the missus and I found out she no longer works in Woolworths

    Taken from insta 😂🤣

  58. Marc

    I’m so bored. I was supposed to be watching the Grand Prix and then the Spud ManU match today and was looking forward to it.

    I can’t see any way football’s going to get going again until at least August – maybe even later.

    Anyone who comes up with a vaccine to Corona is going to make an awful lot of money out of this and they’ll deserve every penny!

  59. Andy1886

    Could be a few quid in it for vaccine trial subjects if anyone wants to volunteer. If you are likely to get it anyway why not take the money?

  60. Uwot?

    Yes Marc.youre right.Israel already have one.awaiting clinical trials.roll out hoped for later in year if successful.uk also have a vaccine apparently.but roll out not expected till next year.mske of this what you will…..

  61. Paulinho

    Still think it’s a huge overreaction.

    Social media and those muppets at the WHO have created this monster.

  62. S Asoa

    The Herd Immunity program was a quack’s prescription.
    That Boris Johnson would adopt it in the first place shows callous concern to people. Guess it comes from being programmed to win at all costs. Social engineering gives a back aisle to morality. Alas since the days of the Trump victory and of the Modi in India , these are the new ways. As correctly pointed by China1 , large scale infections will lead to mutations and then even some specific vaccine might not work. That herd immunity theory might have been relevant in the Middle Ages but that bullshit is unacceptable now.

    Samesong
    Your compilation is good and practical except regarding Covid19 size. Only masks are not enough. The vulnerability of the virus is that components are loosely held, so best thing is washing hands with soap and a doctors’ type long scrub to get the cretins fully disintegrated and out.
    Next , as rightly mentioned by you, virus is susceptible to heat and needs damp space. So breathing in hot air off your hair dryer on low or even car blower with heater on will kill the virus. This will work even on other corona virus.

  63. Marc

    “The virus does not resist heat and dies if exposed to temperatures of 26-27 degrees”

    I have been accused of being high handed over the outbreak and acting like I’m some sort of expert – never claimed to be one and have only said don’t panic or over react.

    So rather than point out how stupid the above comment is I’m going to ask does any one else see the issue in saying the virus cannot survive temperatures over 27 – 28 degrees?

    If I’m 100% wrong on that I’d love someone to explain why it’s a valid point.

  64. Marc

    Un

    Mate how you doing?

    Not wanting to start an argument in anyway but do you see what to me is the glaring issue with saying the virus cannot survive temperatures over 27 – 28 degrees?

  65. underrated Coq

    Even with most World Govts taking extra precautionary measures, the number of recorded cases has now crossed 150000. If such decision making were up to some of the wilfully ignorant on here, the numbers would likely be 450000.

  66. Andy1886

    What’s the average temperature in Singapore for example? I think that you can knock that one on the head quite easily.

  67. S Asoa

    Temperature treatment would be around 50C. One takes it in a 5 minute spell. There would be dryness on rest of face so can simultaneously use a mist sprayer on face to keep moist. A couple of 5 minute spells would do per day. But 2_3times during infection. Please Note this is to contain it during the first stage of dry cough . When it goes down to lungs and starts causing fibrosis that stage you need to be in a hospital. This heat treatment will arrest it before it goes further.
    About humans not being damaged at 50C. Lots of places on earth record this temperature during day time and residents still around to tell the tale.

  68. S Asoa

    A convenient way to disinfect things is to use a steam cleaner mop one uses in the house. By the way it really shines up the window panes. An useful occupation during quarantine. Will impress your partner and might earn a bj too !

  69. CG

    I hope my fellow Le Grove patients are well and not bickering with each other too much.

    May I suggest :

    Meditation.

    Some wonderful smoothing apps out there to get the meditation newbies started.
    (I have been doing it for years.)

    Close those eyes , focus on that breathing…

    Count 1 for inhale.
    Count 2 for exhale.
    And repeat…..etc

    Meditation and consuming water.
    That will release any corona anxieties you may have.

    Our Wenger was a great believer of meditation from his Japanese Adventures.

    And it certainly worked for him and us.

    Keep it simple and we will all defeat this Corona virus.

  70. Marc

    Andy / Sid

    Why 27 – 28 degrees on surfaces and not other places?

    The internal temperature of the human body is 37 degrees if the virus can’t survive over 28 degrees it shouldn’t be able to survive in the body.

    That claim strikes me as internet bullshit – it’s this type of myth that is dangerous.

  71. TR7

    Paulinho

    ‘Still think it’s a huge overreaction. Social media and those muppets at the WHO have created this monster’

    Death from SARS -774
    Death from MERS -500
    Death from Corona – 5500 + and counting.

    Spread across 118 countries and more than 150000 people infected despite unprecedented precautionary measures taken by numerous countries. Thanks to social media people know more about precaution to be taken than they would have if there were no social media. I don’t think we have witnessed any virus which can spread as fast as COVID. Besides who knows how many casualties are there in China. I don’t trust their number. Only 3000 odd deaths in China which was the epicentre of Corona outbreak when Italy stands at 1441 deaths.

  72. S Asoa

    Marc
    It is only the damp areas , namely the upper respiratory tract and sinus which are good hosts for the virus which are targeted with heat. Hence water spray to face. Up to
    26-27 C survival temperature for virus looks has inadvertently cropped in Samesong piece. Let it go. It starts to perish from 40-45 C. So normally these snuffles stop in summer.

  73. Northbanker

    When this is finally over then China needs to be seriously held to account over its appalling blind eye to its disgraceful live animal markets. It has spawned so many epidemics and now a pandemic that enough is enough.

  74. Champagne Charlie

    Paulinho

    No surprise Italy suffered hard with Ramsey vacating his defensive duties. Another L for you to hold.

  75. S Asoa

    TR7
    The worst part of Covid19 is that it is infectious even during incubation stage so one can’t even hazard a guess who could have been transmitted to.
    Strangely seems to host predominantly on humans which has thrown up Jose M type of joke theories.

  76. Pedro

    Guys, get on the new post, and make sure your first comment is about the podcast you just listened to.

    I’m not messing around today, it’s as mandatory as social distancing.

  77. Marc

    “Up to 26-27 C survival temperature for virus looks has inadvertently cropped in Samesong piece”

    It hasn’t cropped up inadvertently he typed it and it’s false information – that’s my whole point people believe this shit when it’s clear there’s a major issue with it.

  78. Paulinho

    Charlie – On hold? Ramsey was just about to lay Serie A to ruins and shut up the usual clowns and he’s been robbed of his glory.

  79. Gentlebris

    ‘@Gentlebris I noticed you quite comfortably use the word ”fucked.”’

    I use a lot more.
    I’m a Pentecostal Christian, not an angel.
    If God has not STRICTLY commanded against it in the Holy Bible or through a personal message to me, then I don’t have a problem with it.

    So can we leave this alone already and get back to the fucking soccer?
    Thank you.

  80. Spanishdave

    Coronavirus is the same as flu by infection rate.
    As repetitively say flu kills up to 25,000 people in the uk each year and most of these deaths are people with existing problems.
    We don’t panic with flu because we do not associate it with it’s ability to be deadly with old people.
    Anyway back to football