Arsenal announced that Mikel Arteta tested positive for Covid-19. In the ultimate kicker, it would appear he caught it from the top dog at Olympiacos after our exit from the Europa. What a stinger.
He’ll be fine, but this doesn’t bode well for the Premier League season. I hear there are quite a few other cases that will be announced in due course. The league will certainly be suspended, but it could go further, there is a belief in the game this could be it for the season.
I don’t even want to joke about the ramifications, though it is tempting.
Seems like most of the advice from around the world is that social distancing is the best way to slow the spread of the virus (and washing your hands, you animals). That advice doesn’t leave much room for interpretation, a gathering of hundreds of thousands of fans at sporting events would be the worst thing for it at the minute.
March Madness has been cancelled, along with the opening race of F1, the NBA, La Liga, Serie A, SXSW and a whole bunch of other social gatherings. The Premier League will have to follow suit and it’s hard to argue against it.
I thought this thread summed up the risk nicely– and why the ‘but I won’t die’ argument is very shitty.
The Italian College of Anesthesia, Analgesia, Resuscitation and Intensive Care just published the most extraordinary medical document I’ve ever seen.
To help people from Germany to America understand what we’re about to face, I am publishing translated extracts here.
[Thread.]
— Yascha Mounk (@Yascha_Mounk) March 11, 2020
It’s a shitter for the fans, but not as terrible as the thought of infecting your grandma because you grabbed beers with an infected pal at a local before the game. I don’t think anyone wants to be responsible for hospitals adopting wartime decision-making models for older people, no football game is that important.
Just a short post today, I don’t have much to add to this conversation, I’ll leave that for the experts.
All I will say is stay safe, wash your fucking hands, and get that invincible DVD in the player… it’s going to be a long couple of months.
Good luck to all backroom people at Arsenal that have been sharing his chapstick. Get well soon, Mikel!
See the rest of you in the comments x
“Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world, and the soul of soulless conditions. It is the opium of the people” – Karl Marx
So true, especially when you apply it concretely.
In the states, blacks are taught in church to “behave/suffer in this life, and you’ll be rewarded in the next”.
Very convenient for those in control.
I believe in Yoda – he’s my God
For the record, I’ve no issue with religion and many people’s uncertainties being filled with it as a means of faith.
But do me a favour and stop short of preaching your one god and telling stories about miracles, it’s a nonsense to go that bit further and claim faith conquers medicine and science. Just no.
Unai na
“Dissenter
What was that about the 2008 crash
Total pish man as they say in jockland”
Nah
I was just saying that the US has no right to be judging others. Some bottom dwelling conspiracy theorists on the right have been spreading rumors that the virus was created in a Chinese lab, some have blamed them for the entire pandemic because of their culinary preferences.
My point was that we single-handedly infected the world with a recession between 2006-2009. We aren’t saints either.
‘If they believe in one god then how can he be higher than other gods, if there is only one?’
Read what I wrote very well.
That was the believe in Africa before they got to know about Christianity, not my believe.
There are many idols, but there is only one God……Yahweh.
Alex cutter
“In the states, blacks are taught in church to “behave/suffer in this life, and you’ll be rewarded in the next”.”
Not just blacks, just people of a certain faith believe what they choose to believe.
Season over.. Spurs finish above us and they go back in the champions league… They always get away with it the bastards.. Levy and his zionist ways always wins.. The scum
So far today:
Trump
UFOs
9/11 conspiracy
How many pounds of mesquite are required to bbq 110 sausages
Prayers cure insanity
The Christian God is higher up than other Gods
This is going to be a long few weeks.
‘You are a very superstitious dude. The next time you have a life threatening emergency…call your pastor. Jesu Kristi, stop the madness. Many of those “men of god” travel,abroad to the best hospitals in the world [secretly] then come back home to preach about “miracles”’ Dissenter, That’s the problem, you guys don’t get it or you pretend not to get it. Well, it is like this; When you have a headache, you take aspirin. If the ache persists, you go to the hospital and get examined. If upon examination, the issue is known, you get treated. All is good. But… Read more »
Un
Of course they have, then they proceed to overcome their ailments thanks to science, medicine and a team of dedicated professionals – not divine intervention.
Wishing you well Earnest and hope for a speedy recovery.
The PL just got suspended today and the blog is already filling up to the brim with wackos. Going to be a long couple of weeks/months. Holy shit from a throne up high.
Unai nai
The point being that one who is vulnerable to criticism regarding a certain issue should not criticize others about the same issue.
Go read about the Bhopal Union carbide disaster of 1984.
We in the US should have sought to learn from the Chinese what they did right, we didn’t
Then we failed to use the WHO CORVID test kit that was offered only to be able to administer less than 7,000 tests as at today, for a country of 327 million.
Humility is needed. Hope that didn’t fly over your head.
“Pastors have medical doctors because they know science is a gift from God to humanity.“
What other gifts are you claiming on behalf of your god?
War? Disease? Famine? The coronavirus must be another gift from god by your reckoning, how benevolent.
Well, yeah, because he works in mysterious ways, obvs.
Un
Human beings are creative and our imaginations are wonderful. The tales are an extension of that to me, harmless stuff that comforts someone in a situation often fear and feel helpless in.
@ GentleBris
You believe in God.
Here is a question to test you.
What does “believe” mean?
Let’s leave God out of the comments, although he did write one of the best selling fictional story books …….
@ Un
“Just like the idea that there is something else as futile as that may be”
Do you believe what you wrote or do you know it?
Or is it something you do not know but assume you know?
@ Un
Great!, that’s the correct starting point.
The nature of the mind is inquisitive. Once you conclude that you do not know, the mind starts inquiring.
It is better to let the mind do its job. 🙂 But it will take some time. After all we evolved from an amoeba to what we are in millions of years.
Unai na “So your logic is because American bankers (who were arrogant self serving wankers) brought the system to its knees that regular Americans have no business criticising the Chinese government or the dangerous eating habits of some of the inhabitants after a pandemic is brought about due directly to these practices?” …”due directly to these practices” …, can you prove a causal relationship in any way? Have you seen the size of the typical American meal and our waist lines? That too is dangerous. The average life expectancy in China is 77 years, not that much different from the… Read more »
@Un
Unfortunately or fortunately, you are no longer an amoeba.
Being human offers the ultimate possibility as we have a cortex. This is what differentiates us from animals.
‘But do me a favour and stop short of preaching your one god and telling stories about miracles, it’s a nonsense to go that bit further and claim faith conquers medicine and science. Just no.’ Well, I have no choice than to go into another of my ‘stories’. My father was a Christian, at least by name, but he did not really believe in miracles. Then he got sick and was going from one doctor to the other. In that period, my mum, who was born catholic, got converted to Pentecostal, while my dad was in the hospital, dying. All… Read more »
I now realise that whoever called him Mentalbris wasn’t being funny but applying a clinical evaluation.
You really need to tone it down on here. I’d recommend getting a grip but you’re to far gone for that to be of any help.
@Gentle
So your faith in God is only transactional 😉
You like Him because He makes miracles for you?
MGooner
I would post a link to a Richard Dawkins destroys God clip but it’d only send him off about how God is good and performs miracles.
Bris – Answer me this if God is so good why did he allow the killing of 6 million Jews (Jesus was Jewish) and 5 million ethnic minorities in the death camps?
‘Here is a question to test you. What does “believe” mean?’ Mgooner, Thank you my brother. To believe is a huge task, a pretty huge task. You don’t need to believe that Donald Trump is the president of the United States of America. You just know. But you have to believe in God before you can accept His Existence and Reign. It takes a whole lot of Grace, especially when you are born and raised in a country crowded by unbelievers. But once you humble yourself and believe, and confess that believe, then it becomes much easier. The task is… Read more »
Un
Christian religion was and is a means of controlling the masses – there are religions that don’t bother me but Christianity is the Tottenham of religions.
If you’re ever in doubt watch the talk show clip from when Life of Brian was released, the Church is going bonkers do John Cleese and Michael Palin appeared with two Priests, Arch Bishops or what ever.
It’s embarrassing that people who preach tolerance are so narrow minded.
bris
Not so long ago you were telling me how I had no manners and didn’t understand how someone should conduct themselves in business as “a handshake today can mean millions in the bank tomorrow”.
You seem to have converted from Capitalism to religion in a handful of months.
I’m guessing the millions never showed up.
Jordan Peterson’s 12 Rules of Life should’ve included a 13th rule – don’t preach about how to take control of your life when you’re addicted to benzos and ultimately being institutionalised for said addiction because you’ve lost control of your life.
‘So your faith in God is only transactional 😉You like Him because He makes miracles for you?’ Do you love your wife because she gives you sex? Can that be defined as ‘transactional’ as well? I will answer your question though. I love God because He loves me in a way no one else can love me. And yes, whenever He gives me miracles I’m excited, like if your rich dad just bought you a Ferrari. But more, His Presence excites me every moment. ‘Bris – Answer me this if God is so good why did he allow the killing… Read more »
Buttress – Corona Virus
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qm5idpP2Wik
“I love God because He loves me in a way no one else can love me”
Is that because he touches you in your special place?
Fucking Catholic Priests can’t leave it alone can they!
@ Gentle
Your answer is incorrect.
To believe is to reach a conclusion about something which you do not know.
Your starting point should be ‘”What constitutes a human?” Figure that out before you talk about God 🙂
“If the British prime minister was fit for office, why should he send teenagers to war, knowing they might die and their parents bereaved?”
Well that’s quite easy our current Prime Minister has not sent British Forces to war. If you’re asking about previous PM’s you’d have to name which and which war – some are justified, some are moral and some are Tony Blair’s ego.
Ishola
Where the fuck did you find her? I managed 46 seconds before having to switch off.
Oh my days, Bris . Please stop. This is a football blog.
bris
I know I shouldn’t but I’ve got to ask how old do you believe the Earth is?
‘brisNot so long ago you were telling me how I had no manners and didn’t understand how someone should conduct themselves in business as “a handshake today can mean millions in the bank tomorrow”.You seem to have converted from Capitalism to religion in a handful of months.I’m guessing the millions never showed up.’ Marc, Praise The Lord, millions are not even new to me. But I can understand that you think I have a conflicting personality. You see, I’m human and unlike some other Pentecostal Christians, I don’t pretend I’m not human. What makes a Christian different is that at… Read more »
Gentle
Temper down the proselytizing, you’re are not converting anyone today.
You’re just putting up your beliefs to ridicule, just pray for our souls bro, especially Unai nai.
Unai na needs a three course exorcism , first course with broken glass, then with knives and then with hot pepper rubbed into his wounds.
Guys, finish the god conversation now. This is a football blog.
Blaster
We’ve got no football to talk about and bris is about 3 weeks from a complete meltdown.
You have to amuse yourself somehow!
God loves football 🙂
Gentle, are you in agreement with this statement?
Un
If you base Christianity’s introduction on the “birth” of Christ it’s 2,000 years old. Islam is based on Muhammad who was born circa 600AD so you can make an argument that Islam is 600 years behind Christian development. If you look what was going on in Europe 600 years ago it kind of fits.
Pedro
You’ve got to give us a subject to debate – the natives are restless!
Unai nai
Jeez… I was just messing with you.
Did you really think I wanted to have you skinned?
I haven’t got a soul – I drowned in it booze and women.
OK it was only booze but I’m still happier with out it!
Another agnostic here, but if you believe in an infinite universe where all things exist in some place then Pedro is probably correct, in some sphere of existence Arteta IS God.
Well well well Gentle.. Your God said 1. Follow me, I will lead you to the Kingdom of God. (he was in the marketing phase) After people followed him, he said 2. “The kingdom of God is within you” Basically he was telling people that God is within them, they do not need to go to heaven or elsewhere to find him. If the kingdom of God is within you, what is the link with supposedly well to do people whose shoes we are not worthy of cleaning? What has material gains got to do with this? Are you sure… Read more »
Unai nai
You are really thin skinned, the pun is intended. Now you’re taking offense o ye great offender.
I believe a lot of what Gentle bris is saying, I’ve just come to know that the dude preaching it[ at all times] is as fallible as the rests of us. The preachers are often the most hypocritical of all men. It’s like peaching about global warming and flying a private 46-seater private jet alone for a 15 minute flight.
andy
The Universe can’t be infinite if it started with the big bang and can be dated to 13.7 billion years old.
It does get complicated when you can’t move beyond or outside of it and the fact it’s still expanding at an ever increasing rate doesn’t help either.
Dissenter
Are you dissing the almighty Greta?
Marc, greatest Arsenal utility players of the last 20 years.
Anyway you look at it, this season is going to be messy. Arteta got in touch with that Greek owner almost 14 days ago before he felt sick. It is highly likely that there will be more footballers feeling sick within this next 14 days. Realistically, the league can resume around beginning of May and finishes in August. Some players’ contracts finish in June. Those affected teams won’t like this at all. Currently, not all teams played the same number of games. Also for the three teams in the bottom three, they could argue that they have played more top… Read more »
Marc, we’re talking multiverses here.
Also heard recently about a new theory of time flowing in the opposite direction the other side of the singularity that was the big bang.
No evidence however that the Spuds have won a title in the last fifty odd years in any dimension anywhere.
@ Pedro
Grimandi, Parlour, Platt
@ Un
Great engine. Some great goals. And some great shots at Row Z 😉
guys, I cannot have parlous as a utility players!
He might be coming on the pod soon.
Big bang theory is very flawed and doesn’t explain the creation of the infinite cosmos.
Yeah, was thinking about that too. Parlour used to be a regular on the right wing. Then went to play in the middle. Sometimes a right back but that was towards the end of his career with us.
Edu used to play in a few roles – DM, winger, left back. Flamini also, sometimes to good effect.
“Marc, greatest Arsenal utility players of the last 20 years.”
Nice choice – Can I pick myself?
Seriously it’s more difficult than it sounds – how do you define a utility player? Someone who can play anywhere across midfield, someone who can switch between defence and midfield etc.
I think Grimandi has to be there or there abouts. Parlour was a right sided midfielder who would push forward or tuck in – what part of this is about is being an honest pro who’d work for the team over their own agenda.
I’d forgot about Flamini – his run at LB was pretty good.
TR7
What doesn’t it cover?
@TR7
New theories being researched that there were multiple big bangs instead of 1.
About infinite – It entails distance and time. Theories that time and space do not exist in other dimensions.
“Also heard recently about a new theory of time flowing in the opposite direction the other side of the singularity that was the big bang.”
Time is an illusion – lunch time doubly so!
I will turn in to an agnostic/atheist too if somebody can explain me from where did the ‘primeval atom’ in the big bang theory really come from ? Science says energy can neither be created nor be destroyed. Then who really created this ‘primeval atom’ which had enough energy to disintegrate in to an infinite universe ?
MGooner
Are you talking about the oscillating Universe theory or separate Universe’s existing in a Multiverse setup?
@TR7
You are trying to analyse creation through the dimension of knowledge.
Knowledge is a survival kit for species on earth. It is not meant to be used to decipher creation.
To explain this – you speak about creation /creator. The concept is flawed as if you apply logic/knowledge, then who created the creator?
TR7
Well as time started with the big bang you can’t really talk about what was before. However the Big Bang is described as coming from a singularity which is what is believed to exist at the heart of a black hole.
Just to show you how fucked up this gets the brightest known objects in the Universe are super massive black holes!
MGooner
” then who created the creator?”
It get’s worse – who fitted the sky dish for whoever created the creators creator.
@Marc
Better to refer to these as dimensions rather.
massive black holes – this is what is referred to as no-thingness – the source of creation.
Mgooner ‘You are trying to analyse creation through the dimension of knowledge’ If the science tells us there’s no God and everything can be explained through scientific logic then why are we not supposed to ask the proponents of science how come this supposed singularity happen to have energy in it when the science itself tells us energy can only transform from one type to another but it can’t be created. I mean if the most basic tenet of science can be used to totally dismantle the big bang theory then I think it’s legit to call the big bang… Read more »
MGooner
Quantum Physics just confuse the shot out of me – I can sit and watch a documentary going yeah I get this at least on principle. It finishes and I’m “sorry don’t get it”!
Marc
‘Well as time started with the big bang you can’t really talk about what was before’
That’s very convenient, isn’t it ?
‘Just to show you how fucked up this gets the brightest known objects in the Universe are super massive black holes!’
Again black holes too have tremendous tremendous energy, what is the source of their energy ? Big bang fails to explain.
TR7
If you look at the Universe and it’s bigger today than it was yesterday and then tomorrow it’s bigger than it was today you can work back to a point where it had infinite smallness and infinite density / heat.
Gentlebris You’re free to think as you wish based on your experiences, but anecdotal evidence is purely that and there’s a level of caution that needs advising when you have people with views that any belief in a deity supersedes medicine and science. I wish you absolutely no ills, but if someone is sick or badly injured I suggest they seek care from medical professionals and not grasp a book and ancient scripture. Also, you don’t get to pick and choose what you attribute to your god. If you want science and the like to be of his doing, then… Read more »
Marc
‘If you look at the Universe and it’s bigger today than it was yesterday and then tomorrow it’s bigger than it was today you can work back to a point where it had infinite smallness and infinite density / heat.’
Point taken but again infinite heat in that infinite smallness is basically infinite energy as heat is just a form of energy. My question remains what was the source of this infinite energy ?
TR7
The energy output from Super Massive Black hole’s comes from the matter around it – at least in ones that are feeding. These are known as Quasars, as the matter circles the black hole waiting to “fall in” it gets incredibly hot and emits energy. The energy is not coming out of the singularity.
If you need someone to really explain it beyond my very basic level I’d recommend a medium to get hold of Stephen Hawkins!
@ TR7
Not agreeing that the Big Bang is the source of creation. Like you rightly point out, there are flaws. The guys who worked on the theory themselves agree now that there may have been multiples big bangs.
What I am saying is that nothingness (Call it black holes) is possibly where everything started. This process cannot be deciphered through the dimension of knowledge. I look at things from a yogic perspective.
TR7 “My question remains what was the source of this infinite energy ?” My personal view and it’s a guess as science hasn’t explained it yet – that doesn’t mean it can’t though – is that Black Holes suck in matter and energy (both the same thing really) as well as time, they then blow this out into new Universes as “big bangs” The only truth is that on this level of science everything we know is wrong – Einstein’s theories of relativity are amazing and explain a great deal, quantum mechanics is taking these ideas forward and at some… Read more »
MGooner
What’s Yogurt got to do with anything?
Where’s Brian Cox when you need him..
Marc
‘. These are known as Quasars, as the matter circles the black hole waiting to “fall in” it gets incredibly hot and emits energy’
Again Quasars circle around black holes and wait to fall in due to gravitational energy of black holes. It again boils down to the same question – what is the ultimate source of energy in the singularity/black holes etc. Doesn’t add up.
CC
What’s Brian Cox got to do with Yogurt?
TR7
There isn’t any energy radiating out of a black hole – heat, visible light, x rays, gamma rays, radio waves etc are all part of the electro magnetic spectrum who all travel at the speed of light. If light cannot escape from a black hole neither can heat etc.
A Quasar is the energy released by the accretion disc outside of the event horizon.
@ Marc You have a body, a mind, thoughts/emotions + life energy to power all this. Its like when a baby is created in the womb of his mother. After procreation, its just a meatball, until life energy enters that body to power it. Yoga is a process to realize how we are connected to the source of creation. If we want to know how the world works, we need to know first how the mechanics of how a human being works. We can create organs in labs, but what is the life source. What powers a human being? Getting… Read more »
I can get down with big bang theory, good work guys
Science is great. It has transformed the lives of humans. I have great respect for scientists whose painstaking efforts have made our lives much easier than what it was centuries ago. But still there are many things which are beyond the realms and capabilities of science. Neither it can properly explain the creation of universe, nor the birth-death-post death cycle nor can it explain how everything almost miraculously and so perfectly fits with each other to have 6 trillion human beings and countless other organisms cohabiting on one of the many planets in this infinitely big and random universe. Can’t… Read more »
Un
Sort of – I have a love of science it gives me answers and set’s new questions that I don’t understand the answers to. But that’s what it’s all about.
How about this as a theory
All the black holes in the universe gravitate together into one which cannot physicaly hold that amount of matter in one entity and explodes as the Big Bang
This process repeats itself infinitely
TR7
The secret is to understand that if there is a “creator” and I’m not saying there is then it would be so beyond our comprehension and we would be so insignificant to it that it’s not worth worrying about.
It’d be like asking a termite in Africa to stick my phone on charge.
Hillwood
Works well until you realise that the Universe is expanding and everything is moving away from each other.
The idea of the big crunch works that idea better.
Just dialled in – great debate guys and a relief to see big C not being discussed
Problem with quantum theory and Big Bang is that we define all of this using our knowledge of science such as it is
We seem to tho k we can find a logical explanation for everything
Perhaps there is no start – it has always been but our understanding of science cannot comprehend this
‘Who created the creator’ is precisely the limitation we have to work with and it cannot compute using these limitations
Looks like Everton also has been affected by the Corona Virus. There is absolutely no chance in hell (sorry just an expression no more religious chat please…) That the EPL will restart on 03/04/2020.
Plus with the northerners trying to show their fortitude or their reckless obstinacy by still playing rugby league games, the virus will spread even more.
Closest I can to religion was ‘The Life of Brian’!
*came*
Marc
Well this ‘creator’ is definitely beyond our comprehension. Moreover we are totally insignificant in the grand scheme of things. The earth itself is like a speck of dust in this immense and gargantuan universe. That’s why I am saying let’s not delude ourselves in to believing the science which is a creation of human kind can explain away everything that has or will happen in the universe.
Northbanker But that’s the great thing “is that we define all of this using our knowledge of science such as it is” is what science is pushing against. Every time it teaches us something new it creates 2 questions for the 1 answer it’s given us. “Perhaps there is no start – it has always been ” That is an old theory called the steady state theory that has been pretty much dismissed. The Universe was smaller yesterday than it is today and will be bigger tomorrow than it is today – follow that and you get back to a… Read more »
TR7
I’m guessing you have but just in case have you seen the Hubble Deep Field and Ultra Deep Fiend images?
Field not Fiend!!!